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Dr. Peter McCullough _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _647(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a physician. He's a cardiologist. He's an author.
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  Speaker 1: He's a professor. He was the vice chief of internal
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  Speaker 1: medicine at Baylor University Medical Center. He later became known
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  Speaker 1: for his investigations online. into the COVID-19 response here in America.
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  Speaker 1: We're looking forward to spending time with today's guest, Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Peter McCullough.
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  Speaker 2: I love this guy.
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  Speaker 1: And you can move this any way you want. If
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  Speaker 1: you decide you're moving over here, you can just move
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  Speaker 1: the mic over there.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have the type of voice you have. Get
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  Speaker 2: that deep voice.
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  Speaker 1: We'll make sure. We'll let you know if it's off. Okay. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're kind of that whisperer, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Man, well.
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  Speaker 1: You like to whisper?
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  Speaker 2: I was recently in the UK, and this woman who's
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  Speaker 2: an actress got up, and everyone was shouting at the microphone,
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  Speaker 2: making their things, myself included. She got up, and she
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  Speaker 2: started whispering, and everyone paid attention.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a whisper, and it's a lost art. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But really the value, when everything is so high, you
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  Speaker 1: have to think that if you come in at another intonation,
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  Speaker 1: if you come in at another level, you have to
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  Speaker 1: find an alternate route into people's brains and hearts and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, whispering, gosh. If we had just like Whisper
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  Speaker 1: Tuesdays where everybody just whispered.
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  Speaker 2: There was a doctor at Stanford back when I was
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  Speaker 2: accepted in academia. His name was Glenn Chertow, and when
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  Speaker 2: he spoke— It was so careful, and he talked like this.
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  Speaker 2: And I remember the sponsors of a big meeting. I
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  Speaker 2: was at the National Institutes of Health. I said, what
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  Speaker 2: is it about Glenn Chertow? He seems to be getting
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  Speaker 2: all the attention. They said, he appears wise. He has
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  Speaker 2: the appearance of wisdom. The way he speaks. He may
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  Speaker 2: not be wise.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But he appears wise. The other thing that helps you
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  Speaker 2: that you and I don't have. Oh, he brought him up.
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  Speaker 2: There's Glenn right there.
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  Speaker 1: There he is.
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  Speaker 2: Beautiful guy. Good, good, good. Are we going to bring
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  Speaker 2: people up on the screen?
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  Speaker 1: We can.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, this is going to be so much fun.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But anyhow, the one thing that my Uncle Ivan taught
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  Speaker 2: me is that you can double your perceived intelligence with
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  Speaker 2: a British accent.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. You get a British accent, they think you're
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  Speaker 2: twice as smart as you used to be. Oh, that's
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  Speaker 2: so true. Twice as smart.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, if I meet a British girl,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, tell me everything. I feel like they
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  Speaker 1: just know everything. Yes. Read me a book, mom.
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever read that book, Culture Code?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Culture Code, no.
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  Speaker 2: It's about what's your first impression? And he did focus groups.
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  Speaker 2: It's very scientifically very solid. He said, when you meet
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  Speaker 2: a British person, what's the first word that comes into
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  Speaker 2: your mind?
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  Speaker 1: G'day. G'day. Oh, that's Australian.
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  Speaker 2: You almost got it with that girl.
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  Speaker 1: Classy. Classy.
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  Speaker 2: So if you're going to advertise something to the British,
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  Speaker 2: you have to show somebody playing polo, and it has
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  Speaker 2: to be classy.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Just finishing a biscuit, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So how about Italian? What's the first thing you think
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  Speaker 2: about when you see it?
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  Speaker 1: Hey! You know?
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  Speaker 2: The Italian first thing? The culture code says artiste. So
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  Speaker 2: you have to Michelangelo. You have to portray things artistic,
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  Speaker 2: what have you. how about American? Now, if you just
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  Speaker 2: do this globally, when you.
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  Speaker 1: Like a belch, kind of?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, close. America, the conclusion is out of this world.
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  Speaker 2: So you want to advertise an American like landing on
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  Speaker 2: the moon or just doing something completely, you know, Elon Musk,
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  Speaker 2: you know, just jetting somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, just knocking up people and just blasting rockets into
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  Speaker 1: people and into space.
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  Speaker 2: So culture code is a code of advertising. And what
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  Speaker 2: he said is if you break the code, if you
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  Speaker 2: try to advertise something that goes against what people are thinking,
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  Speaker 2: your product is going to bomb out. So what's the
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  Speaker 2: culture code word for nurse?
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  Speaker 1: Nurse.
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  Speaker 2: What's the first thing that comes to your mind?
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  Speaker 1: Helpful. Close.
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  Speaker 2: Mother. So you always want to show a nurse holding
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  Speaker 2: a baby. What's the culture code for doctor?
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  Speaker 1: Information.
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  Speaker 2: Hero.
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  Speaker 1: Hero. Hero.
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  Speaker 2: You know, hero, going to save your life. Culture Co.
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  Speaker 2: was written, I think, in the 80s or 90s. It's
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  Speaker 2: probably changed. Well, here's another one. Fits for COVID. What's
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  Speaker 2: the first thing that comes to your mind when you
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  Speaker 2: think of hospital?
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  Speaker 1: Safety.
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  Speaker 2: Death trap. Death trap. And he interviewed. Hundreds and hundreds
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  Speaker 2: of people did these focus groups.
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  Speaker 1: Culture code.
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  Speaker 2: Culture code. It's a great book. It's a quick read.
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  Speaker 2: And in your business, you'd want to, I guess, kind
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  Speaker 2: of be in tune with the code.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's some codes that you pick up
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  Speaker 1: on people they don't realize, you know. But yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. Just people that are able to
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  Speaker 1: examine that, like how people operate and how we perceive
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  Speaker 1: certain things. And you're a guy that's kind of like,
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  Speaker 1: I guess the way you've operated has kind of changed
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  Speaker 1: over the past few years. Maybe I know it's certainly
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  Speaker 1: like grown in perception, like your ability to reach people
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  Speaker 1: has grown.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You are a physician scientist, is that correct? Yes. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: and what exactly does that term mean?
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  Speaker 2: That means I practice medicine. Okay. And, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: see and examine patients every day, board certified in internal
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  Speaker 2: medicine and cardiology by the National Board of Physicians and Surgeons.
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  Speaker 1: So also a cardiologist.
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  Speaker 2: And a cardiologist. But I'm also a scientist, meaning I
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  Speaker 2: evaluate new concepts. I develop hypotheses. I use the scientific method.
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  Speaker 2: And I, you know, conduct studies, case reviews, literature reviews,
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  Speaker 2: analyze data, formulate an analysis, and then come up with opinions.
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  Speaker 2: And through that method, I'm one of the most published
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  Speaker 2: doctors in the world. And certainly the most published in
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  Speaker 2: my field previously, which was heart and kidney disease. So
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  Speaker 2: I came into the pandemic Locked and loaded. In 2007,
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  Speaker 2: I had testified before the Congressional Oversight Panel for the FDA.
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  Speaker 2: I had lectured at the European Medicine Association, New York
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  Speaker 2: Academy of Sciences, lectured widely at virtually every major medical
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  Speaker 2: school in the United States, published seminal papers. But when
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  Speaker 2: the pandemic hit, what I saw within the first few
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  Speaker 2: months is no one was going to to the problem.
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  Speaker 2: No one was... You know when there's a fire or
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  Speaker 2: a catastrophe, and let's say 9-11 and the building is burning,
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  Speaker 2: most people ran this way. But some of these first responders,
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  Speaker 2: they ran right into it. I found myself in the
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  Speaker 2: same mode. First few weeks, I said, well, surely Harvard
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  Speaker 2: will tell us what to do, or the Mayo Clinic, or...
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  Speaker 2: Maybe the U.S.
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  Speaker 1: Government.
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  Speaker 2: Usually the government on medical things is a laggard. They're
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  Speaker 2: not a leader. So if we had a new cancer problem,
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  Speaker 2: we wouldn't say, well, what does the government say? The
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  Speaker 2: government is behind academia.
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  Speaker 1: Got it.
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  Speaker 2: Within a few months of being into the pandemic, I said,
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  Speaker 2: listen– You know, I need to do my part. I
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  Speaker 2: know other doctors in the hospital are doing their part.
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  Speaker 2: And I devised the first treatment protocol of how to
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  Speaker 2: treat high-risk patients. We're talking elderly patients, patients with a
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  Speaker 2: heart disease, lung disease, kidney disease at home with very
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  Speaker 2: intensive therapies and oxygen at home to avoid too bad outcomes, hospitalization,
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  Speaker 2: and death. And that became copyrighted as the McCullough Protocol.
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  Speaker 2: It was published in the American Journal of Medicine in 2020. Immediately,
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  Speaker 2: I was called before the U.S. Senate. I appeared November 19, 2020.
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  Speaker 2: And so, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a
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  Speaker 2: leading doctor's group, did pick up the McCullough Protocol. It
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  Speaker 2: became standard of care. And the principal's It became standard
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  Speaker 2: of care when? Because it was- No, it became early
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  Speaker 2: standard of care in 2020 for high-risk patients. We immediately
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  Speaker 2: organized telemedicine units. And it was the McCullough Protocol that
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  Speaker 2: kept the hospitalizations down. Remember, there were projections that we
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  Speaker 2: were going to overrun our hospitals.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. There were like emailing people like, do you
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  Speaker 1: have a place we can put bodies at your house
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  Speaker 1: or whatever?
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  Speaker 2: I had patients in their 90s with pacemakers and heart failure.
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  Speaker 2: And we got going early with the McCullough Protocol. We
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  Speaker 2: start with getting fresh air, nasal sprays and gargles, nutraceuticals.
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  Speaker 2: They all played small roles. Initially, the first year we
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  Speaker 2: used hydroxychloroquine as our antiviral and antibiotics and other drugs.
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  Speaker 2: Second year, ivermectin. And then third year, we actually used
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  Speaker 2: Paxlovid came in the third year, molnupiravir. We used those drugs.
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  Speaker 2: But I have to tell you, the winner was ivermectin,
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  Speaker 2: for sure, for sure. But I think corticosteroids, prednisone played
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  Speaker 2: a huge role. Anti-inflammatory drug called colchicine we use widely today.
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  Speaker 2: And then antithrombotics.
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  Speaker 1: What was the McCullough Protocol? What went into it? What
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  Speaker 1: were you basically advocating for people?
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  Speaker 2: I was saying that if we got behind on this illness,
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  Speaker 2: it was becoming clear we can't start treating when people
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  Speaker 2: are sick enough to go in the hospital. Virtually every
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  Speaker 2: death occurred in the hospital. So McCullough Protocol said there's
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  Speaker 2: two bad outcomes, hospitalization and death. And if we can
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  Speaker 2: Treat up front and never go in the hospital. We'll
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  Speaker 2: get through the illness. Now, I did an artificial intelligence
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  Speaker 2: search recently, which is a great use of AI. And
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  Speaker 2: I asked AI, tell me what percent of the world's
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  Speaker 2: population contracted COVID? And it searched every single database and
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  Speaker 2: what have you. And, you know, the number it came
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  Speaker 2: up with was 90%. Wow. Now, the pre-programmed bias that's
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  Speaker 2: still left in AI– is promotional of pandemic fear, which
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  Speaker 2: you're still at risk, promoting vaccines, and doing everything it
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  Speaker 2: can to tell people they have no other options.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's pre-programmed. So if you go to Grok— Is that true?
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  Speaker 2: It's true. Let me give you an example.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: If you go to Grok and you say, who's Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Peter McCullough? It'll say, well, Dr. McCullough is a cardiologist,
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  Speaker 2: and it'll go on and on. It'll say, but he's
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  Speaker 2: a conspiracy theorist, and he lost his board certifications. It'll
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  Speaker 2: start saying all these things. I said, listen, just say
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  Speaker 2: who it is. Don't put in any defamatory comments. Just
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  Speaker 2: give the straight facts. Then it'll actually give a straight answer.
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  Speaker 2: So Grok will tell you, I'm the most published person
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  Speaker 2: on the pandemic, period, in the world. And so if
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  Speaker 2: you actually tell Grok, stop all the BS, it'll do it.
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  Speaker 2: With Alter AI, you don't have to do that. So
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  Speaker 2: at McCullough Foundation, I started a foundation. We formed a
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  Speaker 2: relationship with Alter AI, and we pay for it, and
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  Speaker 2: we get a clean feed. But I think even Copilot
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  Speaker 2: will come up with– Yeah, formerly practicing. No, I'm in practice.
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  Speaker 2: I just saw patients yesterday. I mean, look, it just
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  Speaker 2: goes on and on.
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  Speaker 1: Dr. Peter McCullough, yeah, formerly practicing as a cardiologist and internist.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong, because I'm practicing today.
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  Speaker 1: He has highly published in medical literature, over 1,000 publications,
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  Speaker 1: cited tens of thousands of times, became widely known during
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  Speaker 1: the COVID-19 pandemic for his early advocacy of outpatient treatment protocols,
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  Speaker 1: including controversial early use approaches and for his strong public
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  Speaker 1: criticisms of COVID-19 vaccines. Yeah. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's getting there. You know, the thing about artificial intelligence,
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  Speaker 2: which I think is a huge advance. By the way,
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  Speaker 2: I'm using it in my practice every day now. Huge advance.
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  Speaker 1: One more thing here. His views on COVID-19 vaccines and
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  Speaker 1: related topics have been heavily criticized by mainstream medical organizations, fact-checkers,
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  Speaker 1: and sources like factcheck.org, which describe many of his claims
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  Speaker 1: as misinformation or unsupported.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know not a single medical organization has reached
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  Speaker 2: out to me even for a discussion? And, you know, factcheck.org,
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  Speaker 2: that's not a medical organization.
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  Speaker 1: No idea what that is.
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  Speaker 2: So the idea is, let's say a medical organization said,
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  Speaker 2: let's have a discussion about COVID vaccine complications. Not a
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  Speaker 2: single one. There hasn't been a single medical school in
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  Speaker 2: the United States that's even had a Grand Rounds on this,
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  Speaker 2: let alone invite me to present Grand Rounds.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you think that is, that they haven't reached
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  Speaker 1: out to you to have a conversation?
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  Speaker 2: They haven't reached out to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: There is a tremendous willful blindness to what's gone on
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  Speaker 2: through the pandemic. There has been no review of lessons learned.
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  Speaker 2: What did we learn from the pandemic?
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  Speaker 1: I agree. It's so wild. So much information was every day.
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  Speaker 1: It was this, this, go here, get a booster. If
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  Speaker 1: you can't like get a vaccine, like hang your family
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  Speaker 1: member out of a window, we'll have an archer come
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  Speaker 1: by with a vaccine like from Pfizer. Yeah, we can,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we'll vaccine them from the road or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: It's like it was getting crazy. But yeah, it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of wild how afterwards there hasn't been as much like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: these are the things we learned. This is like what
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  Speaker 1: we've learned as a society.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we're told over and over again, there's going to
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  Speaker 2: be another one. It's called Disease X. It's going to
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  Speaker 2: come out of another bio lab.
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  Speaker 1: Shit, it's going to come out of Miami, I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you that.
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  Speaker 2: Or Galveston, Texas. They got a BSL-4 lab there.
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  Speaker 1: Do they? I don't know. They got some BBLs over
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  Speaker 1: in Miami.
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  Speaker 2: No, I know that.
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  Speaker 3: Is it really?
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  Speaker 2: They're dealing with some bad stuff down there.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Mark that. I want to go back and talk
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  Speaker 1: about that in a second. Wait, so this is it
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  Speaker 1: right here, defining Disease X.
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  Speaker 2: Disease X. Well, look at Bloomberg School of Public Health.
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  Speaker 2: Who's the major funder of Bloomberg School of Public Health?
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  Speaker 2: Bill Gates. Bill Gates. This is a dream. This is
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  Speaker 2: a dream of those who want to vaccinate the world
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  Speaker 2: is they want another disease X.
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  Speaker 1: Of course. It's another industrial war complex. That's what this is.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got it.
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  Speaker 1: But it's on your bodies. I do want to say this.
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  Speaker 1: And Bill might just be trying to solve whatever he
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  Speaker 1: was potentially giving his wife. I don't know. That's allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: But I will say this. I want to read this
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  Speaker 1: right here because you mentioned disease X. I haven't heard
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  Speaker 1: about it. Since 2018, the mysterious and often misrepresented hypothetical
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  Speaker 1: pathogen has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts.
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  Speaker 1: Just that sentence alone, when you look at that sentence,
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  Speaker 1: look how front-loaded and vague it is. Since 2018, this mysterious,
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  Speaker 1: often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen has been at the heart of
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  Speaker 1: international pandemic preparedness efforts. Like, we're so prepared. for we
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  Speaker 1: don't even, for something that's super vague. It's just like
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  Speaker 1: you can feel it setting you up for something.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's go to CEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness
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  Speaker 2: and Innovation. It's founded in 2017 by the World Economic
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  Speaker 2: Forum and Bill Gates. And CEPI, in its business plan
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  Speaker 2: in 2017, says there's going to be a series of
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  Speaker 2: these pandemics, one after another, coming in like hurricanes. And
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  Speaker 2: for each one, there'll be only one solution, mass vaccination.
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  Speaker 2: And CEPI is a vaccine incubator. They're going to be ready.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you, vaccines in pandemics is big business,
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  Speaker 2: way more than pro sports, way more than anything else
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  Speaker 2: you can think of. It's huge business. And in this
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  Speaker 2: world of, we don't hear about other forms in this
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  Speaker 2: industrial complex now, other things now outside of Biological threats
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  Speaker 2: and then countermeasures, which is a military term, which are vaccines, therapeutics,
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  Speaker 2: and protective equipment. But the idea is these are so
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  Speaker 2: richly funded. They're so richly funded that the entity that
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  Speaker 2: holds the threat and holds the antidote, they hold power.
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  Speaker 2: Can you imagine the negotiating power you would have if
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  Speaker 2: you said, hey, listen, I got COVID-20 locked and loaded
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  Speaker 2: right now in an undisclosed location. can get the whole
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  Speaker 2: country sick. We want a little better tariff situation. Can
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  Speaker 2: you imagine the negotiating power? And Peter Daszak, who's part
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  Speaker 2: of this whole conspiracy to create SARS-CoV-2, when he testified
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  Speaker 2: in the House of Representatives, he said, I left a
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  Speaker 2: whole bunch of samples back in Wuhan.
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  Speaker 1: I'm confused. What was he doing there?
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  Speaker 2: Peter Daszak was the go-between between Dr. Ralph Baric at
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  Speaker 2: University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who devised the virus
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  Speaker 2: and was publishing on it, and the federal government. Dasik
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: was at the EcoHealth Alliance. It's a go-between organization that
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: was shuttling money for barracks projects over to Wuhan. Dasik
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: had been to Wuhan many, many times. He knew that
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: lab well.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: To create the virus, you mean?
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: Understood. Okay, let's back up one second. I just want
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: to look at CEPI. Who created CEPI? Bring that back up.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: CEPI was a World Economic Forum organization and the Gates Foundation.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: You'll find, I think the government of Germany and India,
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: I believe was involved as well. But this is a
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: richly funded multi-billion dollar organization. You just can't imagine how
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: big these, Oh, I.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Can totally, you know, you look at the industrial war
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: complex and now you start to see it's the industrial
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: medical complex, right? That's the new one that really seems
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: like it's sprouted over the past 20 years.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: Right here. CEPI is the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: a global organization focused on accelerating vaccine.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Vaccine development.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Okay. Sorry. It was created in 2017 through a partnership
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: between the governments of Norway and India, the Wellcome Trust
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: And go back to disease X. I want to just
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: read what it was really quick.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: By the way, CEPI's got a big disease X section.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: They have a whole white paper on it. Wow.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: Disease X is a placeholder concept that refers to a
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: pandemic pathogen that has not yet been characterized. How vague
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: is that? Like, hey, it exists. but we don't know
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: what it is exactly yet.
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: But we have a vaccine for it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Its purpose is to encourage proactive thinking about pathogens that
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: could cause a pandemic. Oh, so disease X isn't an
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: actual disease. It's a plan.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: It's a plan for a disease. So disease X is.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: was SARS-CoV-2. It was a planned disease.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And here we are. It was a plan. And, you know,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: in my first book, Courage to Face COVID-19, we expose
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: CEPI and what we call a biopharmaceutical complex. You called
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: it a bioindustrial complex. Same thing. But there has been
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a cartel that's formed. It's very powerful. And it's probably
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: back 2004 is probably when it started with the BioShield Act.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: But it includes the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum,
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: Gates Foundation, Wellcome Trust, the Rockefeller Foundation, CEPI, Gavi, Unitate,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: all these organizations, all organized to essentially plan for, create pandemics,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: and then respond to them. And that's how... COVID-19 ultimately,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: it's essentially known now. This was not a spontaneous thing
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: from nature. This was planned.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Which is the number one piece of evidence that makes
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you feel like it's known, that it was planned?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Well, I think the best source of all of the
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: evidence is Peter Bregan's book, COVID-19 and the Global Predators,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: We Are the Prey. I wrote the introduction for it.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: But he goes back again to about 2004, the Bioshield Act,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: where he outlines 36 different pandemic preparedness planning events. 36, historically.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: He's got a wonderful timeline. And of those, two dozen
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: provide written documents. You can just read them, including one
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: of them's the Prep Act in 2005, which says there
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: will be a pandemic and we will have one. 2005,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that was a Bush administration, HHS said, listen, we're going
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: to have one. And when we do, we're going to
• 22:05
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• 22:08
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• 22:13
  Speaker 2: But 24 of them provide written evidence, and then six
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: of them are filmed. You could just go watch them.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: So is he kind of a whistleblower, do you feel like?
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: He was a whistleblower back in the days where essentially
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Prozac wiped out consultative counseling psychiatry. Overnight, he wrote the
• 22:33
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  Speaker 2: But COVID-19 and the global virus, it has the best timeline. Now,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Robert F. Kennedy wrote a book about the real Anthony Fauci.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: He's got a timeline in it too. Our book, Courage
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: to Face COVID-19, I think outlines who this complex is
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: and what they're doing.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: This medical industrial complex. Yes, yes. Yeah, who is it exactly?
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but hang on. People have said, well, wait a minute,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: it's big pharma. I disagree. I think the pharmaceutical companies
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: and the in vitro diagnostic companies and the gown and
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: mask companies They're suppliers to the complex. The complex is
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: this organized group that in many ways they have bad intentions.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: And look at the last World Economic Forum meeting. They
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: play a big role in this. It was one of
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: the speeches where they said, you know, COVID-19 pandemic was
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: a test of human compliance. They just come out and
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Was it just written or did someone speak to that?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: Someone say it. Yeah, let's pull it up. World Economic Forum,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the pandemic was a test of human compliance. But the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: point I'm making is that there's a lot of interest
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: in this whole field. We have divisions. Here we go.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Who said that?
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: No, the World Economic Forum did not describe the pandemic
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: as a test of human compliance. test of social responsibility
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: key details from that and related WF publications include test
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: of social responsibility article explicitly stated that COVID-19 was the
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: test of social responsibility.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Citing the fact that people worldwide complied with the unimaginable restrictions.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Well pretty close oh I don't doubt that it felt
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: certainly like a psychological experiment I mean one of the
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: things I was going to ask you is what do
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: you feel like they learned from this like what valuable
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: information was taken away like whoever these powers are that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: be you know.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Well, I hope that they learned that when they have
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: a vaccine that's an epic failure, that that's permanently going
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: to set back aspirations for future worldwide vaccination. Now, if
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this vaccine would have worked and everyone took it and
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: COVID magically went away and just everything cleared up in
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: a month or two and nobody was sick anymore and
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: there was no side effects, these guys would have been heroes.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Remember Bill Gates comes out in April of 2020 and says,
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: this pandemic doesn't end until virtually every person in the
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: world takes a vaccine. How does he know? It's April
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: of 2020. Vaccines.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Right. Who knows what's going to happen? Right. Yeah. If
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you have a strategy, then of course that's what you're
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: going to say.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Well, Gates Foundation and the Bloomberg School of Public Health
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: in 2017 announced Hold a planning seminar. It's called the
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: SPARS pandemic. S-P-A-R-S pandemic. It's at Johns Hopkins. And it
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: says there's going to be a coronavirus pandemic in 2017.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: I remember reading that. They held it in 2017. They
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: thought it was going to hit in 2025.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: It hits in late 2019. Then, and this is one
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: of the ones that is well documented as a planning event,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: and then event 201. Come on. That's November of 2019.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: What is Event 201? Event 201 was, again, Johns Hopkins
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Bloomberg School of Public Health, Gates Foundation. They have a meeting.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: They said, we are really going to have a coronavirus pandemic.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: They bring over George Gao, who's the Chinese CDC director,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and he's paired up with others there. Averill Haynes is there.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Who's Averill Haynes? She's a former World Economic Forum associate,
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: becomes our director of national intelligence under Biden.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And she's with George Gao and they're saying, oh, we're
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: going to have a COVID pandemic. And this is how
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: it's essentially, it's going to be used to railroad mass
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: vaccination on the world.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: But do you believe that everybody knew that? Or do
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: you believe that a select group knew it? And then
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: they just, because say if I have a devious plan, right?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: I could still go to someone and say, hey, this
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: is what's happening. I don't have to say I'm the
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: one who's causing what's happening, right? So were there, because
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the tough part is when you start to think of
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: like that everybody was complicit, like, you know what I'm saying?
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: That's the part that starts to feel very impossible to
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: a lot of people.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the case. I got to tell you,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: I was in practice then. I had no idea this
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: was going on. Everybody I talked to at my institutions
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: all over the whole country, all over Europe, no one
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: knew this was happening. The point is this was going
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: on This was in the open.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: No one was paying attention. I bet, I bet no
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: one briefed Trump that in 2017 that they're going to,
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: you know, they were planning for a coronavirus pandemic. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: bet there wasn't a briefing.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: But does it also make sense that as our world
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: evolves and as like biohacking and like research and everything
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: becomes so much more intense and like medicine is evolving
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: all the time and science is evolving constantly. That's just
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: what it does. That there would be, it would make
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: some sense to strategize that something like this could happen.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Like that maybe we've moved on from like actual, like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: like huge wars on land. And then it's going to
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: become more like, yeah, I remember years ago you would
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: hear like, oh, the next war is going to be
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: in the water or it's going to be in the air, right?
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: It's going to be a virus. You would hear stuff
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: like that a lot, like just kind of randomly.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's movies, right? There's movie Contagion and all these
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: other movies. What experts will say in infectious disease and
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: vaccinology is that the reason why we have to have
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: biolabs is we have to get ahead of nature. So
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: nature sooner or later is going to throw us a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: really bad bug, and we're susceptible to these. And the
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: case example they use is Spanish flu. In my book
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: on vaccines, we spend a lot of time on the
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Spanish flu, which was very unique post-World War I. We
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: have young men in army barracks. And remember, influenza doesn't
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: directly kill people. What kills them is a secondary staphylococcal pneumonia,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: and that's what they die of. The point that was made, though,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: is that, listen, we could have another Spanish flu. And
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: when COVID-19 pandemic broke, don't forget, the storyline we were
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: told is, oh, here we go again. It's another Spanish flu. Now, remember,
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Anthony Fauci said, knows it came out of the lab,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: but they collaborate together to say, you know what, it
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: came out of a fish market. In fact, the WHO,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: when it was asked to investigate early in 2020, where
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: did this virus come from? Rear Admiral Brett Gerard, someone
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: who went to my medical school in Dallas at Southwestern,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: he was on President Trump's first task force, Brett Gerard
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: nominates three U.S. scientists to go to Wuhan. The WHO says, no, no,
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: we don't want them. We want Peter Daszak. Isn't that interesting? Daszak,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: who knew, in fact, he was shuttling the plans over there.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: So Daszak goes over to Wuhan and he looks around.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: He goes, I don't know where this virus came from,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: but it definitely didn't come out of the lab. He
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: had been to the lab dozens of times. He shuttled
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: the plans over. Anthony Fauci was well aware of this.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: They started covering up their emails. Rand Paul's got a
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: great book called Deception. He has every single one of
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: these events in it. But the point I'm making is
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: those in this field keep saying, listen, there could be
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: another Spanish flu. We must get ahead of this. However,
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: with the 2004 BioShield Act and the 2005 PrEP Act,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: the governments got in the game of bioterrorism.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: How did those acts allow them to do that?
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Well, what happened was we had the anthrax scare, which
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: largely looks like it was a deranged government worker at
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Fort Detrick who was working on the anthrax vaccine for
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the military. And There has been lost enthusiasm for this
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: vaccine based on safety. And so he actually sent some
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: letters to Leahy and other people in Congress. Some people
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: got sick. To this day, not a single soldier has
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: died of anthrax because an enemy shot an anthrax capsule
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the other way. It's all been, you know, this event.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Like these social events.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, social events.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what happened with anthrax?
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Well, there's another great book with– there you go.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: offices and the senators, Tom.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Daschle and Patrick Leahy.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Patrick Leahy killing five people.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: And infecting 17. But what I'm saying is the anthrax
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: scare and SARS-1, the SARS-1 outbreak, led to this idea
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: that– wait a minute.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: There's money here.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: First off, this could really happen. So we should be prepared.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: That's the reason why it's called the Prep Act. We
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: should be prepared and our governments should get in this game.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: So the military got in the game with a unit
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: called DARPA, D-A-R-P-A. And the National Institutes of Health got
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: in this game with a unit called BARDA, B-A-R-D-A. And
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: these are pandemic preparedness units. Well, as they churned over time,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: There's funding of biolabs, and let's see how we can
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: make this organism more contagious. And would this work? And
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: let's test it here. And they got to Barak. Barak
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: got to the point of, well, let's take a human coronavirus,
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: of which there's four that we can get as a
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: common cold, and let's take the spike protein, the surface
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: of it, from a bat, and then start to play
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: with this until it can lock in with a human
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: receptor called the ACE2 receptor and invade humanized epithelial cells
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: in animals. And when they did that in Wuhan, it
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: basically killed the animals. They said, ooh, now we've got
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: a real, we took something benign, which is a coronavirus,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: and we've made it potentially lethal. Now in those papers,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: 2015- In what papers? In pre-reviewed papers, 2015, Nature Communications
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: in 2016, in the proceedings of the National Academy of Science,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the first author- is Menachery, M-E-N-A-C-H-E-R-Y. Those two papers describe
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: primordial SARS-CoV-2. In 2015 and 2016, this is published. These
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: are high-level peer-reviewed journals. And the title of the paper
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: is A SARS-Like CoV, Coronavirus, WIV1, Wuhan Institute of Virology 1,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Virus Poised for Human Emergence. So here they are in
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: these papers, and you can pull them up, poised for
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: human emergence. So they were announcing to the world, this
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: isn't my field, I wasn't reading this.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: But was this a good guy saying this, or was
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: this a bad guy saying this?
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: These are the guys who were working. This paper was done,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: the work was done in the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: They say it's gain-of-function research, but it was grandfathered in
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: because it was started before the Obama ban on this.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: And we took it over to Wuhan. They thanked the
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Chinese for their collaboration. Now, the second paper that came
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: out a month later in the Presidium of the National
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Committee of Sciences, they actually put the Chinese authors on.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: So this was in many ways in the infectious disease
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: community in the open. Now, this paper, by the way,
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: when the U.S. government funds work like this, they must
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: put the genetic code of the new virus they created
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: in a central data bank.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Did they do that? No.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: And when Ralph Baric was interviewed on this in 2021,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: they said, wait a minute, did you submit your genetic code?
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Does the virus, does it match your code from here?
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: He says, well, I've had a discussion with the National
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Institutes of Health and we believe it's a national security
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: issue and we are not going to release it. Now,
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: his virus didn't have in it a key part in
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: the spike protein called the furin cleavage joint. And it
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: looks like that was the final thing that was added later.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Understood. We hear about spike proteins a lot. What is that?
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: The spike protein is a spike or this projection on
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: the surface of the virus. The ball of the virus
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: is called the nucleocapsid. The red part shown there is
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the spike protein.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: The ball itself is benign. That's not going to kill you.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: All the lethality in SARS-CoV-2, what killed people, and some
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: people truly did die of this, was the spike protein.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: The spike protein allows the virus to inject itself in
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the body. We sacrifice the part of the spike protein
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: near the ball. The S2 is sacrificed and S1 goes
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: into the body. Now that's with the infection. The vaccines,
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Pfizer and Moderna, are the genetic code for the full
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: spike protein. So you take one of those vaccines. Now
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: the genetic code is producing the full length spike protein
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: in the human body.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: Was there a moment, do you think, when they planned
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: to unleash the virus or did it just naturally sort
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: of enter society? That's where I'm a little bit confused.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Was there like a day, like a D-Day of sorts
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, this is when we're going to
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: just unleash this virus into the world? Or do you
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: think it was unleashed on accident? What is your thoughts
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: on that?
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: I don't exactly know, but I have listened to many opinions.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: And one opinion who I think is on target is
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: former CDC director Robert Redfield. He believes it... leaked out
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: by accident summer of 2019. Accident.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: It just seems so— it feels like there would be so
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: much security around something like this.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: There are— But if everybody's keeping it.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: A secret— Listen, we've published this on my sub-stack, Focal Points,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: Nick Hulsher at McCullough Foundation. There's over 3,000 biolabs. Do
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: you know there have been hundreds and hundreds of leaks?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: This one down in Galveston, there's been a ton of leaks.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: In Galveston, Texas? Sure.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: These labs require biosecurity level four, means you have to
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: wear a hazmat suit, and they use reverse ventilation, what
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: have you. All you need is a ventilation system going out,
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: someone spilling a test tube, someone not being careful. And
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: the Biden administration in 2024, in the summer of 2024,
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: published this legislation. And it's concerning pathogens of pandemic potential
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that are dual purpose. It's very important.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm a little confused.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And what that means is we are in the business
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: of creating pathogens that can create pandemics, but they have
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a dual purpose to get the world sick. And to
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: create vaccines.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. So they're able to create
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: a pathogen now that can get you just sick enough,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: you're saying?
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Get the whole world sick. Now, that's kind of tricky
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: because— Let.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Me read this really fast. Sorry. There have been no
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: recent reports of community-wide leak or environmental breach from the
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: biolabs in Galveston as early as 2026.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: A lot.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: In February 2025, reports disclosed that there were three incidents
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: in 2024 where researchers were potentially exposed to infectious agents
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: within the high containment labs. The Chapparavirus, a lab worker
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: accidentally punched their finger with a needle while handling an
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: infected guinea pig. Shout out, guinea pigs, all of them.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Chappar is a rare deadly hemorrhagic fever virus. Anthrax were
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: also cited in the annual biosafety summer release. and containment status.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: In all three cases, the incidents were contained inside the lab.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: So let's go to thefocalpoints.com. We're going to have to
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: start going to the original papers because you're getting snowed
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: on artificial intelligence. You're getting snowed. Okay, now do the
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: search button up there and type in biolab leak.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Galveston?
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: No, it'll come up. Okay. Let's pick any one of those.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: Just pick the UNC Chapel Hill.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: That's it right there?
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Click on the link right there. And this is what
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I do. I just go from the original papers and
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: none of this, I think.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because a lot of AIs, that was Gemini, I think,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of AIs, you just don't know what they're
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: pulling in. You're getting snowed.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: The illusion of biosafety during SARS-CoV-2 research, multiple apparent occult
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: lab acquired infections identified under BSL-3 conditions, primary US labs.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, we're starting to get the idea that,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: That these labs are not infallible. And Trump has actually
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: stopped federal funding of these, but they're richly funded by
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: foundations like Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Trust, Wellcome Trust, and they're
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: big business for universities. Do you know that not a
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: single state has done an inventory of their biolabs? And
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I'm on the Senate Committee for Arizona. And they asked, well, Doc,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: what can we do to do better next time? I said,
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: why don't you do an inventory of what universities are
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: running bio labs?
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Wow. So there's bio labs on college campuses right now.
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: And are some of them handling pretty severely infectious diseases? Yes. Really? Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: Go back to- Like which ones? Do you know?
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: Go back to focal points. And I want you to
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: pull up when I did. Search on this and do
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: pandemic potential dual. You're going to get the Biden- There
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: we go. Click on the top one. This is the government,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: just scroll down. This is the government work on pandemics.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: This is the Bioweapons Convention, 1975. It says we shouldn't
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: be in this business, so they call them biological threats.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: And just go down. The Biden administration put out guidance
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: on this, of this dual-use potential. And it's a 31-page document.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: and it's very minimal oversight. Listen, if you were making
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: a nuclear bomb in a university lab, you'd have the nuclear,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: here it is, you'd have the Nuclear Regulatory Commission all
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: over you. And here, this is so light, voluntary reporting,
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: just kind of tell us what you're generally doing. You know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: there was a bio lab that someone found in Ridley, California.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: There was one recently in Las Vegas. It's been said,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I can't back it up, but it's said they're all
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: over Ukraine. I am telling you, the next threat we
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: have is from a biolab. I feel pretty strongly about it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Well, I think based on what's happened recently, yeah. I mean,
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: I think that would make a lot of sense to say.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: You know, America feels super compromised, I feel like, in
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: a lot of, I know, shocking. And I think we
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: trusted the red, white, and blue, you know? You believe
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that America was this thing for so long. And it
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: may have been at some point. But I feel like
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: the number one thing that I notice amongst a lot
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: of my friends is that people just feel that everyone's
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: questioning everything right now, that we don't trust. We don't
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: trust that our country, that our government, that the entities
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: out there are looking out for our best interest at all.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: In fact, that they're using us as prey. What countries
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: do you feel like are leading the way in– in
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: fighting for like truth and transparency, do you feel like?
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: And then with that said, how hard would it be
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: for there to be this world like pandemic cabal to
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: take over?
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: Has the world ever agreed on anything?
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: No.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: All 193 countries ever?
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: No.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: Written language, religion, nothing. But suddenly this pandemic comes out
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and all the countries agree? that essentially there's one solution,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: mass vaccination. You've got genetic vaccines that have never been
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: used in mankind ever. And we're talking about largely messenger
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: RNA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, which are the leads.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: So we'd never used genetic vaccines in the history of man?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Never. And so- Is that true?
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: Bring that up. These are the first genetic, what does
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: that mean exactly?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: They're the first human messenger RNA vaccines. It's the genetic
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: code for the lethal spike protein. Got it. What a gamble.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: So you have a protein that's been worked on for
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: years and years and years, and it's lethal. It's proven
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: to be lethal. Then we create the genetic code for
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: this lethal protein and inject the genetic code with no
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: idea what's going to shut it off.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: No, genetic vaccines such as mRNA or DNA vaccines had
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: not been used in humans before 2020. They underwent preclinical
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: testing and early phase human clinical trials for conditions like influenza, rabies, Zika, HIV,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: and cancer, but none received regulatory approval or widespread use
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: Wow. Now listen, messenger RNA has been around for a
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: long time. There's a paper by Lalani and colleagues, British
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: Medical Journal, that dates messenger RNA development back to about 1985.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: Billions of dollars were poured into this by countries all over.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Big companies, CureVac, Sanofi, BioNTech came along, Moderna. And there's
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: a love affair with messenger RNA technology. I'm telling you,
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: love affair. Can you imagine any protein we want to,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: we can make the code for, inject it and start
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: making a protein? The enthusiasm for messenger RNA is through
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: the roof. And when this pandemic came along, It was
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: like go time for those people in the messenger RNA world.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And it was a very important development step. And I
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: think it's very unfortunate no one briefed Trump on this. DARPA,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: a research unit of the military. And this one you
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: have to bring up on the screen, guys.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: And DARPA is basically our government's lab.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Military.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: DARPA has a program in 2012– It's called the ADEPT
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: P3 program. They announced in 2012 that our aspiration is
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: to end pandemics within 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: in 2012. See if you can bring up, yeah, click
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: on P3 right there. Click on that and scroll down
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: and you'll see.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: A little- against any known or previously unknown infectious threat
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: within 60 days of identification of such a threat in
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: order to keep the outbreak from escalating and disruptions to
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: the military and homeland.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Now, click on that next link, Autonomous. Now, roll down.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: There should be a figure. Is there a link there?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: I guess not. But they literally show messenger RNA data.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: in a little life cycle, that that's what they're using
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: in 2012. Lalani points out that this has been going
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: on for the longest time. It's almost as if a
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: technology waiting for a use. And when this rolled out,
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: to me, one of the greatest blunders was that there
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: was no way to shut off this genetic code. And so.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: What do you mean, no way to shut off once
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: it's injected into you?
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: Normally cells make messenger RNA. So we have our DNA
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: and a DNA codes for a message. The messenger RNA
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: is made. It goes outside the cell and it works
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: with ribosomes and it makes a protein like insulin. And
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: then the messenger RNA is immediately dissolved with enzymes. Done.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: And so this cycle goes on and on and on.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: So the ability to make synthetic messenger RNA is powerful,
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: but the reason why the, development program stumbled so long
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: is that it was immediately dissolved by these enzymes. So
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Carrico and Wiseman, who won the Nobel Prize in 2023,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: I believe, they came up with a process of replacing
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: one of the base pairs in the code in messenger RNA, uracil,
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: for a synthetic one called pseudouridine. Once that happened, they
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: were able to make the messenger RNA indestructible. Human enzymes
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: can't break it down. Now it's game on.
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: Now it's ready.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: So now you, Carrico and Wiseman, 2023 Nobel Prize.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: But this was after COVID had come out.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: I know, but the work was, and don't forget, Nobel
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Prize is usually granted for 20 years of work. So
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: they were working on this for years. So Pfizer, Moderna,
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: when they went through their decision-making on this, They tried,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: let's try to just replace 25% of the uracils. Well,
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: it still gets dissolved. 50% still gets dissolved. 75%. They
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: finally said, screw it. Replace all of it. Let's make
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: it fully synthetic. Well, let me tell you what. This
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: gets injected in the human body. I was alarmed when
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that proposal was made. I published an op-ed.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: So you have a fully synthetic genetic code inside of you? Yes.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: That can't be dissolved?
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Cannot be dissolved. That's Pfizer and Moderna. And I published
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: an op-ed in The Hill, and myself and Scott Atlas
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: were invited through 2020 to kind of guide a house
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: in the Senate White House on what's going on with
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the pandemic. And I published an op-ed in The Hill
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: in August of 2020. And the title of the op-ed
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: is The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program.
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: So I called it out. I said, listen, This is
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: a gamble. And when this rolled out, the CDC says, well,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: it just stays in the arm and it'll be there
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: for a couple of days. We have now one of
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: my patients in Dallas and we've just published it. There
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: you go. The great gamble. You're looking at the only
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: public figure in the world who questioned the vaccines before
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: they came out. The only one. You can't find another
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: person who put it in writing big time before they
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: came out. They came out December of 2020. No one did.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: PMAC. No one did.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: No one else did it. I mean, the point I'm
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: making is the entire world was seduced by this technology.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: The seduction was overwhelming. Every country signed on to this.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: They couldn't wait to do this.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Can you search that and see if the genetic code
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: that was injected in with the mRNA vaccines, it doesn't?
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Go to McCullough Foundation, McCulloughFND.org, and I'll get you a
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: link there. But the point is we have one of
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: my patients. This guy has taken three Pfizer shots. He's
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: had blood clots, MRI-proven heart damage, neurologic damage. He's absolutely
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: miserable with these shots. And so we work with a
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: lab in Germany that can actually detect the spike protein.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: And scroll down to our publications. You should find it here.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: But this is on your own website.
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it links to the publication. Everything I do
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: is peer-reviewed and published. So that's him right there, actually,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: if you want to see him. That's Steve Kempin, the
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: man right there with the glasses on. He's got Pfizer
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: circulating in his bloodstream. 3.6 years after the shots. So
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: it's in his skin. We did skin biopsies. We did
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: two sets of skin biopsies, multiple sets of blood tests.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. And is this the only patient like this you found?
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Well, it's the only, with every seminal observation, he is
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: the seminal observation. What does that mean? That means the
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: first one. It's the first observation. There it is. That's
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: the central figure. This is essentially what we found in
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Steve Kempin. So this is the work we're doing at
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: McCullough Foundation. You know, Harvard's not doing this. Mayo Clinic's
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: not doing this. There's sick people who took the vaccine.
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: They are not looking for the spike protein. They're not
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: looking for the vaccine. They're baffled. You know, the Biden
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: administration spent a billion dollars on long COVID, never considered
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: the spike protein, which is the cause of long COVID.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: When you get the infection... a part of the spike
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: protein gets stuck in your body. You take the vaccine,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: you get the full-length spike protein in your body. No
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: wonder you feel sick.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they be trying to figure it out? Because
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: there's money there too.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: It's the most interesting observation ever. There's no lectures on
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the spike protein or vaccine injuries. There's no grand rounds.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: There's no primary care updates. The Biden administration spent a
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: billion dollars on long COVID research They didn't do a
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: single spike protein or messenger RNA research study. Now we
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: have a new administration in. They haven't done it. No
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: one will look directly at the problem in the entire world.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: And on top of this, there's plenty of evidence suggesting
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: each vial was different. Each batch was different. Some were
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: super loaded. Some didn't have much in it at all.
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: There's tremendous batch-to-batch variability.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know that not a single country has initiated
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: a safety review of these vaccines? Not a single country
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: has opened the vials to inspect them for quality or purity?
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: And not a single country, they're on 140 markets, not
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: a single country has pulled them off the market.
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  Speaker 1: Why though? And how would you get all of these
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  Speaker 1: countries to go along with this continually and agree? Like
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  Speaker 1: there has to still be some like countries out there
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  Speaker 1: who are willing to raise their hand and ask questions, huh? None.
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  Speaker 2: It's a mind blowing reality. You can't get people to agree.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: This is the biggest oblivion.
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  Speaker 1: But you are saying you're getting them all to agree
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  Speaker 1: to not look into this. Yes. How?
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  Speaker 2: I was asked to lecture last year in Chautauqua, which
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: is actually a great honor. Chautauqua is the heart of...
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  Speaker 2: modern American liberalism. It's in Western New York. The Roosevelt's
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: have lectured there. And I thought about this. How can
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: this be? How can not a single medical school have
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: a spike protein project looking at this? And I picked
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: two prior examples where there is a complete oblivion to
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: a big problem. The first one was 1860 to 1920,
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: what I call the first great cocaine epidemic. Every drug
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: made by all the pharmaceutical companies was cocaine derivatives. It
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: was in Coca-Cola. It was in Chianti wine. All the
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: doctors experimented with this. The nurses used it. All the
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: medical journals were publishing effects of cocaine, improving energy. JAMA,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: New England Journal of Medicine, Halstead, the father of modern surgery,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: used cocaine as an anesthetic. He became a brutal cocaine addict.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: So did Sigmund Freud.
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  Speaker 1: He was on it, huh? Right.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: So listen, this goes on for 60 years. In JAMA,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: our U.S. medical journal, in 60 years with hundreds and
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds of papers on cocaine, there was one
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: paper by an Irish doctor who said, I'm concerned this
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: is causing addiction. One in 60 years, a complete oblivion
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: to the addictive potential of cocaine.
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  Speaker 1: So you're saying that it's possible.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let me give another example. 1920 to 1978, what
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: I call smoke fest. Everyone smoked. Doctors smoked, nurses smoked,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: everyone smoked. People in high society, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke.
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  Speaker 2: Doctors handed out cigarettes in the clinics. RGR Reynolds and
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: American Tobacco Company, Philip Morse, they had doctor.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Prescribed cigarettes?
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: No, they had doctor cigarette promotional campaigns where the doctors
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: handed out cigarettes. They said which ones they thought were
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: the best and doctors claiming smoking is safe. This goes
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: on and on and on. And finally, Sir Austin Bradford
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: Hill in the UK, an epidemiologist, and Richard Dahl, a
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: medical doctor, present data in the UK in 1950 that
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: And they said, it looks like smoking causes lung cancer. No,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: you can't be– you're smeared and discredited, debunked. Loser. If
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: it was social media, they would have been canceled. They
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: would have been thrown off YouTube for saying that smoking
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: causes lung cancer. They do the physician smoking study. They
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: come back four years later. They said, listen, smoking is
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: causing cancer. In fact, half of British doctors are dying
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: of smoking-related conditions. still doesn't convince them. In the United States,
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  Speaker 2: this goes all the way to 1964. Luther Terry, our
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  Speaker 2: Surgeon General, calls a meeting to Washington of the doctors
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  Speaker 2: and says, listen, I got the Surgeon General's report. Smoking
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  Speaker 2: causes lung cancer. Doctors were still smoking. They still didn't
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  Speaker 2: believe him. In fact, doctors were smoking in the operating room,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: in the clinic. A great book is The Emperor of
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: All Maladies by Mukherjee, one that Pulitzer Prizes in his
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: first book, He describes the lead surgeon at Johns Hopkins
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: taking out these blackened lung cancers in surgery. And he
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  Speaker 2: was smoking all the time when he was doing the
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  Speaker 2: surgery and teaching the students, no, smoking doesn't– the black
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  Speaker 2: smoke doesn't cause the lung cancer. He himself dies of
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: lung cancer. And on his deathbed, he still says that
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  Speaker 2: smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. It's not until 1978 before
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  Speaker 2: the AMA sheepishly comes out with its first brochure, The Dangers,
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  Speaker 2: Health Hazards of Smoking. And it's not until the 1990s
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  Speaker 2: before we have the tobacco settlement. So my point is, listen,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: if cocaine and the doctors being totally oblivious to cocaine
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: because they were seduced by it, totally oblivious to smoking
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  Speaker 2: because they were seduced by it, and now totally oblivious
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  Speaker 2: to the hazards of these COVID vaccines. We got three
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: examples here. What's common to all of them? Self-participation. That is,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: they did it themselves. Can you imagine if you told
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: a doctor, listen, did you take the Pfizer, Moderna vaccines? Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Do you know they don't leave the body and they're
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: still in your body now producing spike protein? No. And no,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know and I don't want to know. And
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: did you have your wife and your family take it? Oh, yeah,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: I did. And did you tell your patients to take it?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know it causes fatal heart damage and blood clots?
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: and autoimmune problems, neurologic problems, stroke, and it may cause cancer,
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  Speaker 2: it's overwhelming. The average doctor cannot psychologically handle it, just
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: like they couldn't psychologically handle it that cocaine was damaging
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  Speaker 2: themselves and ruining their lives, or like smoking was causing
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: their lung cancer. It's the same thing. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess when you look at it like that,
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  Speaker 1: that it's happened throughout time, that if we've been standing
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: right there in the sun and denying light, it's pretty wild.
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  Speaker 1: What are some of those common side effects that you've
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: seen from the COVID-19 vaccines?
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  Speaker 2: Most concerning is fatal heart damage, myocarditis, fatal.
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  Speaker 1: What is myocarditis? We hear about it all the time.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: People are like, you know, a kid falls down in
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: a soccer game and people are yelling, he's got myocarditis.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you just don't know what's going on. What
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: is it exactly?
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  Speaker 2: There was a very important paper by Crosson, K-R-A-U-S-O-N, from
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Harvard that found in some people who took the vaccines
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: that found that the messenger RNA is physically in the heart.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: That's a bad sign. Whatever you take in the arm
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: should not end up in the heart. So it has
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: a tropism for the heart. It actually has a predilection
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: to go in the heart. So there's crossing to 2023.
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  Speaker 2: So messenger RNA is in the heart. Let me see.
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  Speaker 1: Duration of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine. Persistence and factors associated with
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: the cardiac involvement in recently vaccinated patients. Let me see
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  Speaker 1: what it says. Vaccine was detected in the axillary lymph
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  Speaker 1: nodes in a majority of patients dying within 30 days
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  Speaker 1: of vaccination, but not in patients dying more than 30
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: days from vaccination. So originally it was going.
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  Speaker 2: To the heart. Read farther down. Vaccine was detected in
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: the myocardium, in the heart, in a subset of patients
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: vaccinated within 30 days of death. I mean, it's at
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: the scene of the crime, okay? Right. Another paper by Baumeier, B-A-U-M-E-I-E-R,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: Baumeier found the spike protein in the heart. He didn't
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  Speaker 2: have the tech to find the messenger RNA, but he
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: found the spike protein in the heart. And there you go.
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  Speaker 2: That should be Baumeier. That's it. So this is image.
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  Speaker 2: These are images showing inflammation and spike protein in the heart.
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  Speaker 2: So here's the point. The vaccine is in the heart.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: The spike protein is the heart. When you have inflammation
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  Speaker 2: in the heart, the heart is dependent on having a nice,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: consistent muscle for conduction of electricity. That's how our heartbeat comes, depolarization.
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  Speaker 2: When you have inflammation, that creates heterogeneity in conduction, and
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: then we can actually get a re-entrant loop, an electrical
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: loop that goes around very, very fast. That's called ventricular tachycardia.
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  Speaker 2: And if that isn't shocked or interrupted, it degenerates to
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: ventricular fibrillation, and you're down. Now, the triggers, we've had
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  Speaker 2: myocarditis rarely before the pandemic from various viruses and other
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: forms of inflammation. It was known then that we can
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  Speaker 2: never let these people exercise because if they exercise, the
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: surge of adrenaline through exercise can trigger this abnormal heart rhythm.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: It's in our guidelines. So as the vaccines roll out,
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  Speaker 2: and we've had a U.S. Senate hearing on this In
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  Speaker 2: May of 2025, people started getting heart damage with the vaccines.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: And if you look up U.S. Senate testimony, May 21st, 2026,
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  Speaker 2: Ron Johnson, Peter McCullough. The U.S. government got communications from
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Israel saying, listen, we gave the vaccine to all our soldiers.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: We got 60 cases of heart damage and two cases
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: are fatal. This came in in February of 2021. The
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  Speaker 2: public health agencies, they all sat on this. The White
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: House sat on this and they didn't inform the public.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: And so more people got vaccinated. Then a big bomb hit,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and the bomb hit, that's my opening statement right there,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: a big bomb hit in August of 2021, where a
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: paper was published from Washington University in St. Louis. First
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: author is Verma, V-E-R-M-A. And they describe a 42-year-old man
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: who takes a Moderna shot, develops myocarditis, gets really sick,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: goes in the hospital, And he dies right in front
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: of them. They can't save him. With all the technology
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: that we have, life support systems, everything else, he dies. Brutal,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: fatal myocarditis. And this is New England Journal of Medicine.
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  Speaker 2: But here's my point. If there was a new drug
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: on the market and we gave it to somebody and
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: they died of fatal heart damage, there'd be product warnings, withdrawals.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: Doctors would say, wait a minute, I'm not concerned. Doctors
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: showed no concern over this, outside of me. I saw this.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I said, you got to be kidding me. This kills
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: a healthy 42-year-old man. If Moderna can kill a healthy
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: 42-year-old man with all the technology and we can't save him,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: do you know how many people are dying in nursing homes,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: in athletic fields, and in schools? and all over, and
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: how many people are dying in underdeveloped countries.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: But are we seeing an uptick in that? Like, is
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: there any information, or would we even get the correct
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: information anymore? Because it starts to get to this place
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, if this is really happening, I'm
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: not seeing people drop dead everywhere, you know? I'm not
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: hearing that, but also you don't know if the news
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: is factual or not a lot of times. Don't you
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: think you would see, like, see it happening in mass
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: so that it would really support some of this information
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  Speaker 1: that you're saying?
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  Speaker 2: You'd have to get to a point where it would be,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: people have estimated this, what would be something so significant
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: that you'd see it with your human eye? It's probably
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: more than 15%.
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: More than 15% of the population, you mean?
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  Speaker 2: You'd have to just see bodies all over the place.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you'd literally have to be like, oh, man, what's
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: going on?
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise, you'll miss an important signal. Now, there's 12 studies
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: showing mortality is actually up since the pandemic, not down.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: You go through a pandemic, there's a culling effect. There
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: should be sicker, frail people who die, and therefore, the
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: remaining people have a lower mortality if the pandemic mortality
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: is up.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe that the number of vaccine-related deaths is
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: being misrepresented? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: So let's go to Open VAERS. Open VAERS. O-P-E-N-V-A-E-R-S dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Click U.S. data. Okay, nobody's challenged this. This is presented
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  Speaker 2: in the U.S. Senate multiple times. These are deaths reported
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  Speaker 2: to VAERS by doctors like me who've already determined the
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  Speaker 2: vaccine is the cause of death. This is not controversial.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: I've reported some of these cases. I've already decided The
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: vaccine caused the death. I filed the death certificate. I've
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: looked at the autopsy. I've looked at the MRIs. I've
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: looked at all the data. This is not up to
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: the CDC to decide. I've decided, okay? 16, 19,609 deaths. Okay.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: Do you know how many deaths per year come into
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: this system for all the other vaccines combined? 150. 150,000?
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: 150. Total.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Total.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: This is off the Richter scale. Off the Richter scale.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: And so in Senate and House and Senate and FDA testimony,
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: people said, wait a minute, if you don't have the
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: vaccine card and you're not willing to report it and
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: you don't have all the data, it can't be reported.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 2: So what is the underreporting factor? There's actually a publication
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  Speaker 2: on this. But from you, from conservatively, because people are
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 2: aware of COVID and fatal side effects, The conservative estimate
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: is 30. And in my publications, I use 30.
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  Speaker 1: 30,000?
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  Speaker 2: No, 30. It's an underreporting factor. Meaning this 19,609 is
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  Speaker 2: probably underreported 30-fold. So the true number of vaccine deaths
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: is between 500 and 600,000 deaths. No way. Yeah.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: Wow. And how do you get that 30x?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a paper by Lazarus that said it's 100.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: It's 100-fold underreported. People said no. People know about these
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: COVID vaccines. So we are reporting more deaths now than
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: other vaccines. But 30-fold underreported is conservative. It's conservative. But
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: even if there's no underreporting, 19,609. What if we had 19,609
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: people die from a new energy drink? Yeah. People would
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: be outraged. Like Prime or whatever.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, we have a couple of people die
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: in a building collapse. It makes the news. You know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: you have Nancy Guthrie, bless her heart, she's abducted from
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: her home. It's on the news for weeks on end.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Cash Patel can't even find her. He's out partying
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: or whatever. No, but what I mean is one death
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: is too many. But here we are. Here we are.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: In that 19,609, are these in-your-face deaths reported in the
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: peer-reviewed literature? And one that really caught my eye is
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: by Gill and colleagues. Gill, Archives of Pathology. This is terrible.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: This is two boys. They're teenagers. They die after taking Pfizer.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: And they're found, yes, Gill, they're found in their beds,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: dead at home by their parents. They get autopsies. They
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: bring an expert pathologist. It's conclusive. They died of taking
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: the Pfizer vaccine. Healthy young adolescents.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: Let me read this. Clinical and autopsy investigation of two
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: teenage boys who died shortly following administration of the second
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 dose. The myocardial injury seen in these
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: post-vaccine hearts is different from typical myocarditis and has an
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: appearance most closely resembling a catacomb. polamine-mediated stress cardiomyopathy. Understanding
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: these instances are different from typical myocarditis and that cytokine
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: storm has a known feedback loop.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Do you want me to translate? Yeah.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: I mentioned that- It's that electrical loop you were talking about. Wait,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I mentioned the vaccine is in the heart, the spike
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: protein is in the heart, there's inflammation. But what triggers
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: the cardiac arrest is a surge of adrenaline. That occurs
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 2: on the playing field during athletics. It also occurs between
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. during the normal waking hours
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: of sleep, called the waking hours. That's what happens. So
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: the pattern of vaccine deaths has been during sports and
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: athletics and then dead in bed. These are astronomical numbers.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: The simple fact that 150 people have died of vaccines
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: each year, right? Is that what you're saying?
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: That's what comes in the report.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: Right. And- This report is saying that there was 19,000,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: which we believe is highly underreported.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: Right, 19,000 over five years. But I can tell you,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: by March of 2021, three months into the campaign, there
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: were 1,600 deaths. And I was called to the Texas Senate.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: I said, listen, I'm concerned. I had already expressed concern
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: before they came out. I'm really concerned. And you can't
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: whitewash this away. And that's what we saw being done everywhere.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: And I've heard ridiculous explanations like, well, these aren't verified. Well,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: who's going to verify them? The doctor has all the right.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: When I do a VAERS report, the first three or
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: four pages is all about me. Who are you? Who's
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: making this report? Where's your name? What's your address? What's
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: your email? What's your office address? What have you?
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Then the next several pages are who the patient? Who
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: are they? Who are their relatives? Where's their email? What's
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: their address? The CDC has all of this information on 19,000 deaths.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Do you know how many people the CDC has actually
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: called to kind of do a study? Zero.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: They're sitting on 19,600 deaths. They have all the information.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: They didn't even send a, you know, a I'm sorry card.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, let alone do a study.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, to think that the Center for Disease Control,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: we're so diseased. We're one of the most diseased countries
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: in existence. How they're even still allowed to function to
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: me is just beyond me. I think most people, I'm
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: seeing an uptick of people that want to give births
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: in home, people that do not want to go to
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the hospital anymore, people looking for home remedies, homeopathic type
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: of remedies, people trying to get off of their antidepressants.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's one of the largest resurgences.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: There's more people getting into homeschooling right now than there
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: was during COVID, right? If you think about that, that's unbelievable.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: That's how much people do not trust any of these
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: entities anymore.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: Well, have you heard that there's measles outbreaks everywhere?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen it.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all over. Oh, my gosh.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Is it true?
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there are now there's one of the
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: social media platforms. It's called Threads. Do you know what
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: Threads is?
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: So go on Threads.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I don't think we have a Threads account, though.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: Oh, I do. But anyhow, you go on threads, every
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: time you turn around, there's a measles update, another measles outbreak,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: another measles outbreak.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: That's interesting that that's where it's at too. Nobody's even
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: on threads.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: So of interest, we have about 1,000 measles cases so
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: far this year. In average years, about 2,000 in the
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: United States. There have been 40,000 distinct press pieces on
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: measles outbreaks. Wow. And 75% of those encourage taking the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: measles vaccine. So this is interesting. And so, and by
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: the way, in the pieces, they blame RFK and Trump.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: Now think about this. RFK and Trump have been in office, what,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: a year and three months. A baby doesn't come up
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: for the first measles vaccine until about 18 months of age.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: So the measles cases are seen now. And so the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: most ridiculous thing is.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: They'll say measles outbreak hits college campus. So why don't
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: you type in measles outbreaks? There have been some measles
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: cases on college campuses. And they'll say, you know, they'll
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: blame RFK and Trump. Say, wait a minute, that kid's
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: vaccine decision occurred 15 years ago. How can they blame Trump?
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: And so there you go, hits the university in Florida.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, Florida, UMass Amherst. I've caught something over there.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's another point. There have been measles outbreaks
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: recently in the UK. So in the UK, well, how
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: can you blame Trump and RFK? It's the UK. They
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: have a different vaccine schedule. So here's the point I'm
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: making is, And I wrote a sub-stack on this recently
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: that if you go to thefocalpoints.com, I'll give you the
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: update numbers, that we have a situation where testing has
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: been ramped up fourfold. Now they're just doing PCR testing
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: for measles all over. And it turns out the measles
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: vaccine isn't perfect. So in a paper by Bianchi and colleagues,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: They found about 20% of people who take the measles vaccine,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 2: they don't have any serologic protection. I'm one of them.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: I took the first shot. I took a second shot.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: I went to medical school. I got a blood test.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: I took four measles. I still don't have any. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: guarantee if I got exposed to measles, I would get it.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: So it's not perfect. But the measles is being used
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: as an example to try to, in this whole vaccine
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: promotional world, which has divided people into vaxxers and anti-vaxxers.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: Have you heard that one?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Are you an anti-vaxxer?
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, I got vaccines when I was young.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't get the COVID one, but I don't, I'm
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: curious about the science. And I think I don't trust
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: the entities that tell us the things we need to
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: do to take care of ourselves anymore. So I think
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: everything should be put under a microscope right now.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: And I think people should trust their own decision-making. And
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: if that's wrong or right, then at least you as
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: a human can live with that as opposed to feeling
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: like you may have gotten poisoned because then that's out
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: of your then that's not your choice, really.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Well, sure. And, you know, I think the unique thing
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 2: about vaccines is they've been, and we point this out
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: in my book, they've been proposed to essentially be a
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: savior to humanity. And that you get a vaccine to
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: protect other people. And in many ways, that's a myth.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: The real reason to get a vaccine is for your
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: own personal protection. So it must be a personal choice.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: I think it is.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: Just like you take a blood pressure medicine to lower
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: your personal blood pressure. You're not doing it for somebody else.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: You're doing it for yourself. But vaccines have been presented that,
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, this is good for humanity. And people
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: should do it. And if you're against doing it, you're hesitant.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, vaccine hesitancy, that's actually a psychiatric disease.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: Do you know there's 20- Are you serious? Yeah, there's
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: 20 scientific survey instruments to assess your vaccine hesitancy. And
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: if you score above a certain level, you have a disease.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Nuh-uh.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: Bring that up, vaccine hesitancy.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, put up McCullough vaccine hesitancy. I just published a
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: paper on this. It's on the Substack. You'll find everything
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: on Substack or my Twitter, you guys. Okay, that's it.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: Throughout history, there's always been, but this is just you
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: writing it, but this is real information.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: It's peer reviewed.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. Throughout history, there's always been a fear of untreatable,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: potentially fatal communicable disease. Immunization has been an advancement in
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: population health that has developed over three centuries. However, fear
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: of side effects is a psychological phenomenon that has arisen
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: as a substantial issue for the lay public. Vaccine hesitancy,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: a complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization, poses
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: significant challenges as a concept to the research and public
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: health communities. Who decided vaccine hesitancy was real? Or are
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: you just saying it?
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: 18th century. It goes back to the 1700s.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Vaccine hesitancy, a complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization. Yeah.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: And in the paper, I identified 20 different of these measures.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: You know, there's an Oxford measurement of vaccine hesitancy. And
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: it's just, yeah. So the idea is it actually you're
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: considered to have a psychiatric disease if you are hesitant
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: to take a vaccine. That's how far this has gone. And,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: you know, people say, well, it was really hard during COVID.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: I lost my job, what have you. In our book,
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: we point out that this is the late 18th century,
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: let's say about 1790 or so, and some of these
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: smallpox outbreaks, and clearly in the late 19th century, you know,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: 1890 or so, if you decline taking a vaccine Or
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: your children, your children go to jail. Families went to jail.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 2: Parents went to jail. This was enormous. This has gone
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: on for a long time now.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: So- Well, vaccine hesitancy is not a disease itself, but
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: is a formal medical and sociobiological term used to describe
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: the delay in acceptance and refusal of vaccines. That makes sense.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: The term was solidified by the WHO SAGE Working Group
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: on Vaccine Hesitancy, which was established in 2012.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Listen, pull up the statement by the WHO. It
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: should come down here where the WHO says that vaccine
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: hesitancy is a major threat to public health.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: They might have even been in that first thing you
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: put up.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's a major threat to public health. And so
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: vaccine hesitancy is basically put forward as a principle that
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: that there is top 10 threats to public health if
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: you're hesitant to take a vaccine.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: In 2019, the World Health Organization officially named vaccine hesitancy
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: as one of the top 10 threats to global health.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: This designation was a landmark moment because it shifted the
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: focus from the vaccines themselves to the behavioral and social
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: factors that prevent people from using them.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I told you about our government covering up,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: and this is like in the U.S. Senate, Homeland Security
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: government files permanent subcommittee investigations. This is airtight. our government
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: covered up heart damage with the COVID vaccines because they
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: didn't want to promote vaccine hesitancy by telling people the facts.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: Well, sure. I mean, I think that it's all part
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: of the same thing. It's like, well, if we show
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: this and it's going to make people weary of vaccines.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, in our society, safety comes first. It doesn't
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: matter how good these vaccines are. It doesn't matter what
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: they could possibly do. If they're not safe, They should go.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Well, our safety only comes first to us and sometimes
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: even then. But it obviously does not come first. It
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't feel like any more to any of these powers
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: that be.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Well, does safety come first in automobiles? Yes, because you
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: have all these inspections. Does safety come first when you
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: build your house? You can't get your certificate until things
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: are safe and engineering. Does safety come first in other areas? Yes,
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: except vaccines because vaccines have become a religion. They are
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: accepted as articles of faith. This has been going on
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: for 300 years. It's a religious thing. So if you
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: come in and you say something that violates somebody's religious beliefs,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: you know what they do? If they're nice to you,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: you know what they do? They give you the Heisman.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: They say, I don't want to talk about it. That's
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: what most of my colleagues do. I don't want to
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: talk about it. And if you go further, you know
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 2: what they normally do? Happened to me, obviously. They throw
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: you out. They say, listen. you're anti-religious, you're sacrilegious, get out.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. This wouldn't be on so many
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: people's emotional radar and truth radar if there wasn't some
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: truth to it.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: Correct.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Like that to me is undeniable. Like I've always trusted
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: my instincts, right? Sometimes I'm wrong, but over time I
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: hone them. And a lot of times they get very
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: keen for me and I operate well with them, right?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: And I assume that's how most people operate.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: Yes. You mentioned you didn't take the COVID vaccines.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I didn't take them either. And according to USA Facts,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: which takes the tabular data from the CDC, the best
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: estimates are that 19% of us did not take the shots, 19%. Now,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: 81% took at least one shot, but only 70% took
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: two shots. So only 70% got fully vaccinated.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Ah, understood. I'll say this. We had a guy on
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: last week, this guy James Lee, and he investigates a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: lot of– He exposes a lot of corruption and he
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: exposes a lot of like rich people that are just
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: being like deviant, you know, type of stuff. You know, companies, politicians,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: all that, you know, he's seeking out like, he's known
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: for investigations into like corruption and fraud. He was working
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: as a consultant for one of these big biotech companies.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: And he said there was a conference call at one
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: point where a representative from the company was talking about
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: how They had, everyone had been vaccinated that was going
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: to get vaccinated. They, they kind of figured that. And
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: then there were still a lot of, uh, vaccinations left.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: It was a stockpile of vaccinations left. And so that
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: they were going to start to push this idea that
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: you needed a further, like a re because there was extra, right?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Not because they thought that people really needed it, but
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: because there was extra, do you think something like that
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: could be true?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. Do you know that the pharmacies did
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: not have any blanking period after someone got a shot?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you mean? There was no timeline between
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: when they should get a second one? Yeah.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: The primary series is you get one shot, and then
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: two to four weeks later, you get a second shot.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: But after that, the idea is, well, six months or
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: a year, ultimately it was decided that there were going
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: to be annual shots. But the pharmacies didn't mind giving
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: you extra shots because So I had some patients came
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: in and they were upstanding citizens and they said, Dr. McCullough,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: we got our COVID shots. And I was like, oh boy,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: you know, hope you're okay. They said, well, yeah, we're fine,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: but we're going to go on a cruise. So we
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: went in and got some extra shots and it's possible.
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: So can you imagine if I was prescribed a drug
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: for a patient and they took, I said, take one
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: pill a day. And they said, well, it's such a
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: good pill. I think I'll take 20 or I'll take
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: 50 or I'll take a hundred. Can you imagine me saying, well, sure,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: just take as many as you want to. We would
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: never do this. And so with vaccines, there is a
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: delusional scheme that the more vaccines, the better.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: But vaccines have been helpful throughout history. Sure.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: So in our book, you know, vaccines, mythology, ideology, and reality,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: there's a reality for sure. So the measles vaccine, that's
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: a good example. It definitely dropped the case count of measles.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: But it's not perfect. So if you took the shot,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: you still could get measles. So we have measles outbreaks.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: And on top of that, there's like any drug, there's
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 2: always risks and benefits. So what's the risks of the
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: measles vaccine? This is important. This is another one that's
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: on the Zenodo server, you guys. We just came out
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: with this. We analyzed how many babies died after the
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: measles vaccine, the MMR vaccine, since the 1990s.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: Answer?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: I think there's over 100 kids, maybe 200 kids died.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: From the vaccine.
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: It was a combination of vaccines, but they found them
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: dead in their bassinet. How many people died of measles
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: during that same time? About six or eight. You get
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 2: the exact numbers if you guys go on the server.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: So there are risks. That's the point. Nothing is risk-free.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: Let me give you another one.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: But right there, what you're saying is, yeah, it's effective.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it drops the case count, but you could lose
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: your baby with it.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: Okay. Now, what about chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid,
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: but my kids didn't get chickenpox. They took the shots.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: So chickenpox lowers the case count. Terrific. But what's the catch?
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: There's always a catch. That's the point. The catch is
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: that now there's a higher rate of adult shingles if
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: you take the chickenpox vaccine.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: So you're really just pushing it down the road then?
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a trade-off. It's a tradeoff.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: Who doesn't want chickenpox? First of all, you get out
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: of school for like two or three days.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: And you get permanent immunity. So there's always a tradeoff.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: So there's an important paper in JAMA recently by Vesuvian, V-A-S-E-D-U-V-A-N.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: That said, a large number of parents now are not
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: going to get their kids fully vaccinated. They've seen enough
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: of this now.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: Is that alarming to you, or how does that look
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: to you?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I think it's going to bring us back to
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: a more appropriate use of vaccines. Now, I'm not against
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: the use of vaccines. I took every vaccine known to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: man except for the COVID shots. I've taken all kinds
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: of flu shots. My kids took all the vaccines, so
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: I'm not against vaccines. But I think they're excessively used.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: And where we're going is what's called risk stratification. That is,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: there has to be some meaningful risk of the disease
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: for you to take the shot. So let me give
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: an example. If you've had your spleen taken out, you
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: had a car accident, you got taken out or taken
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: out for other reasons, like my brother-in-law has been taken out.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: You can die from a pneumococcal infection, meningococcal infection, or
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: haemophilus infection. It's called encapsulator organisms. I feel very strongly
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: if you've had your spleen taken out, you should get
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: those vaccines because it's compelling. It's like you don't have
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: a chance. I've seen some patients go down with these infections. However,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: if you're young and healthy like you and I, I mean,
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: come on. I mean, you're not going to go down
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: with a pneumonia. It's just not going to happen. Let
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: me give another example. This came up recently. A healthy
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: baby born where the mother is negative for hepatitis B
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: The baby is fine. The baby has zero chance of
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: getting hepatitis B until they get into teenage years. And
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: even then, they're probably going to be fine. Depends on
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: what choices they make with IV drug abuse and sexual partners,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: what have you. It's just not compelling to give them
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: the hepatitis B vaccine. Now, I took it myself when
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: I went into medical school and I was going to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: work with blood and what have you or a paramedic
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: or a police officer. But not every person needs to
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: take the hepatitis B vaccine. I think it's compelling. The
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: highest risk for hepatitis B, transmitting it to the baby,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: is in about 20,000 mothers who have active hep B.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: Most of them are immigrants, by the way, from outside
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: the United States. They come here, they have hep B,
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: they're going to give it to the baby. And so
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: when that occurs, the mother gets the vaccine, the mother
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: gets a drug called Fosinovir, And the baby gets hepatitis
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: B immunoglobulin and the baby gets... So we have for 20,000
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 2: babies out of 3.3 million born, we have a good
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: hepatitis B transmission. It's very effective. It's 90% effective. But
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be applied to all 3.3 million.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: So recently, even Rand Paul said this. Others said that, listen,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: we're overdoing vaccines. So I think where we're going is
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: risk stratification. One that's going to come up, you're going
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: to hear about it. is actually the human papillomavirus vaccine, HPV.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard about that.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: Again, that's sexually transmitted, and it's given to all children
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: in teenage years. But I can tell you, you know
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: what the most compelling group is that transmits this virus
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: like you cannot believe? Gay and bisexual men. Anal intercourse, unprotected,
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: watch out, anal carcinoma, penile carcinoma, et cetera, and oral
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: head and neck cancers. So the bottom line is, you know,
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: HPV vaccine? Yeah, gay or bisexual man? For sure.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: Everyone? Probably not. Everyone?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: It's got to be an individual decision. So we have
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: to get to risk stratification and freedom of choice as
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: opposed to putting it on the government schedule and forcing
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 2: it into people.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: The CDC recommends routine HPV vaccinations for preteens at 11
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: or 12 years old. but it can be started as
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: early as age nine with the goal of protecting them
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: before exposure to HPV as it works best at younger ages.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: But here's one question I have. At a certain point,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: wouldn't some of these drug companies or these, like if
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: there's bigger entities out there that are this cabal of control,
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: wouldn't they, is there more money in them you battling
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: these diseases over time than there is just in one vaccine?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Like, wouldn't it then on
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: them tabulating how much money they could make off of
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: a person, wouldn't it be like, oh, well, it's better
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: if we have them battling these two diseases or instead
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 1: of getting a vaccine early. Does that make sense?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: No, the question is good. If you're a drug company
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: and you say, I've got two choices. I'm going to
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: make a vaccine or I'm going to make a drug
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: to treat the disease. You would take the vaccine every
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: time because the vaccine, let's say a universal vaccine like influenza,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: you're going to give it to 300 million people. That's
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: 300 million doses.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: If you get influenza and severe influenza, you'd have a
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: drug that's maybe given to 50,000 people. It's night and day.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 1: So then right there, that should be information to us
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: that that makes– like it makes more sense than if
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, let me just wait and see what 50,000
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: people would have these symptoms or get this, it feels like.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 2: From a public health perspective, my view on this is
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: that it should all be about treatment, right? I mean,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: so have you ever gotten influenza test positive ever? You've
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 2: never even gotten it or tested for it?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: I don't have it.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, you never have.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Never have.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: Have you ever taken an influenza vaccine?
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: I can tell you, that shows you. It's completely irrelevant
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: to you. I've never had influenza and I've never taken
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: the test.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: I've never even met anybody that's even said it before. Right.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: So my point is, why is it recommended for you, me,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: every human being on earth, including little babies, every year?
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: But is the reason why we're not talking about it
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: or anything or know anybody that has it because of it?
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, you don't take the shots.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's right. But did I once get it when
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: I was a child?
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: No, what I'm saying is it's an annual risk.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't know that.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Do you see what I mean? So it's an annual risk.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 2: So the point is the fear of infectious diseases is
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: grossly exaggerated to promote vaccine uptake. Vaccine mythology and ideology
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: has been going on for 300 years. This is medical religion.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: This is medical. Do you know some doctors will throw
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: a patient out of their office if they don't take
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: a vaccine? Yeah, pediatricians will. They'll say, listen, if your
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: kid doesn't take a vaccine, they're out of here.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I've seen people fighting about that online. Like,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want my kids to have the
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: vaccines and this is how they treated us.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine, I prescribe blood pressure medicines. If you
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: don't take this blood pressure medicine, I'm throwing you out
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: of my office.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is, it's insane. It's a religion and
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: how the ideology works is like this, that there's always
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: been historically tremendous fear of infectious diseases and that we're vulnerable.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: We're vulnerable. But through the brilliance of man, man and
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 2: vaccines can improve upon God's creation. Man outdoes God with vaccines.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: This is very important. And because the vaccines aren't perfect,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: We all have to take them. And because this is
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: such a laudable goal for humanity, if some people are
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 2: injured or disabled or died of the vaccine, they should
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: take it for the betterment of humanity. They should take
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 2: it for the team. It's collateral damage and it's acceptable
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: in the eyes of this vaccine ideology. It is a
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: runaway freight train. Look at the front of our book.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Look at the coin on the front of the book.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: Look at the iconography. That's a boy. This is a
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 2: 22 euro coin issued by the Vatican. That's a boy
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 2: in the tripartite imagery.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's a boy getting a vaccine. This coin was
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: issued by the Vatican?
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, issued by the Vatican. But look at this. This
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: is during the pandemic. The boy... should be receiving the Eucharist.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: He should be receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: But instead, he's receiving the vaccine. Yes. So you're saying
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: there's a bigger psychology here of playing God.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: It's a religion. The point is, it's a religion. That's
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: the reason why people can't talk about it. That's the
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: reason why doctors are nuts over this. That's the reason
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: why there are no lectures about side effects from vaccines.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: No grand rounds.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 2: No grand rounds. We can't talk about it. There are
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: people listening to your show. They still can't talk to
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: their relatives about this.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: Well, now everyone's in a spot where it's like it
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: feels like a lot of people know that it's bullshit,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: but you don't want to bring it up to people
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: because they've probably had the vaccine and you don't want
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: to hurt somebody's feelings.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: What did I do when I came here? I did
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: a quick check. Did everybody take the vaccine? Where are
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: we on this? Because people start to get pretty uncomfortable
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: when we talk about this.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If you have something swimming in your pool and
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: you don't want to admit it but you don't have
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: a net, then what– you know what I'm saying? Like
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit alarming because you can't– it's.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: Going to be in there. That's the reason why I
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: have– you have the one doctor in the chair right
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: now where I was the first to devise– a method
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: to treat COVID patients to avoid hospitalization and death, McCullough Protocol,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: the most widely used early treatment protocol in the world.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: It's been credited with saving tens of millions of lives.
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: Sparing hundreds of millions of hospitalizations. Listen, Harvard could have
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: grabbed this. They didn't.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: And now I've devised the first detoxification protocol.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I want to hear about it.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: Of what people should do when they've had the infection
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: multiple times or they've taken a vaccine.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: Now, does it only have to be they only took
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: one vaccine or do they have to get at least
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: two vaccines?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Listen, whether you take the infection, whether you've had the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: infection or you've taken the vaccine, you've gotten the spike
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: protein in you. So it matters for virtually everybody.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: So even if I never took the vaccine but I
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 1: tested that I had antibodies? Yeah.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: You've had some spike protein in you. Got it. So
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: we've been studying this. This is McCullough Protocol-based spike protein detoxification,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: first published in 2023, peer-reviewed literature. And after working with
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: every drug under the sun, the Biden administration spent a
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: billion dollars on this. They found no drugs. Turns out
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: three natural products have a huge impact, natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Natokinase and bromelain are natural products. Now, we use them
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: in high doses, medicinal doses, but they dissolve the spike
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: protein in the body. They help you clear it out.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: Curcumin is blocking the inflammatory effects of the spike protein,
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: and they're well-tolerated in high doses. Remember, most prescription drugs
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: are still natural products. They're just in high doses. And
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: so this protocol was published. And then now we've published
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: multiple cases. And I've experienced in thousands of patients, we
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: reliably bring antibodies to the spike protein down. And when
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: we can measure spike protein directly, that's coming down and
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: patients get better. It takes a long time. So it
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: takes probably over a year to have taken the supplements.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: And how often should they take them? Is that it
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: right there?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: This is it. So this is the lead product. This
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: is from the wellness company, the Ultimate Spike Detox. And
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: this is high-dose natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin. We formed a
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: whole company around this. Well, this company is probably one
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: of the greatest success stories out of the pandemic. It's
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: now a global healthcare company. telemedicine, nutraceuticals and supplements, emergency kits.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: We'll never get burned again because now we have treatment
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: kits for pandemics. And I've told people, listen, I don't
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: think the government's going to save us from the next pandemic,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: but the wellness company will. And we continue to innovate.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 2: People need, in general, they need over a year of
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: this to clear this spike protein out. Take a look
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: at it.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: How do you decide what supplements are safe and effective
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: enough to put in here and what grades?
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: Well, we have a medical board. We had certainly multiple meetings.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: We went through dose ranging. Once we got to the product,
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: we had to go through the Federal Trade Commission.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: So this isn't just some white-labeled thing.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: No, no. This is the real deal. And so it's
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: all science-backed. And we intentionally did not patent this. It's
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: copyrighted mainly for just accountability. But we did not patent
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: it because so many people worldwide need it. Now have fun.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Are you on Amazon? Go to Amazon and type in
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: Spike Detox. I did this before I came. There are
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: dozens and dozens of products. There are dozens. Type in
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: spike detox.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: Are there any side effects of it? Yeah.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: So if you look, most of it is ours, but
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: you'll just scroll down. You'll see a zillion different products.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: So the bottom line is this tells you people know
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: about the spike protein. All this wouldn't be on Amazon.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: Now, listen, the doctors are not measuring this in the bloodstream.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: The doctors are not talking about spike protein. It's not
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: in New England Journal of Medicine or JAMA, but it's
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: all over Amazon. That should tell you something. It's absolutely hilarious.
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: Or that there's a fear of it out there and
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: people are capitalizing on a fear. Yeah.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: You know, that's a fair point.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, it could be.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: That's a fair point.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: Because I've looked at hair medicine, like hair scalp things
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: over the years on that you find articles like this.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: This will help. And they set you up with an article.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: And then like, even if you don't even go on
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: the link from the article to the product, but then
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: you go find their product, and then you realize, and
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: then I've had things come out like this thing doesn't
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: do anything. It was just a, it was funny.
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Natokinase is used by the Japanese
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: as a heart supplement.
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: Oh, I love them.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Because it helps unblock arteries. So natokinase is beneficial anyway.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: Bromelain- is derived from pineapple. It's also anti-infective and healthy.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Bromelain is actually used as a prescription drug in a
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: form of an ointment that's used in deep burn wounds.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: And then curcumin is derived from turmeric. That's anti-arthritic. That's
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: a healthy supplement. So bottom line is, you know, no
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: one's capitalizing because these are three healthy supplements anyway, but
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 2: we have a compelling case to use them in spike detoxification.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: How were you able to test that it worked?
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: Well, this is perfect for HHS, Robert F. Kennedy and
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: his team to do a large prospective double-blind randomized placebo-controlled trial.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: Have they done it yet? No.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Have they even called about it?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: No. What would that trial mean? I would mean 20,000
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: people in each group. It would probably be a $ 50
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: million trial, $ 100 million trial. For sure, it should be done.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: I'll be a guinea pig.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: This is it. So this is ready to go. A
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: lot of people, as you can tell by Amazon, people
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: don't want to wait. If our government hasn't even started
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: thinking about testing it, people don't want to wait. They're
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: doing it.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: All government's a pack of shit.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: Now, remember, anything that actually works has side effects. You
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: asked the question. This is a form of a blood thinner.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: So people can have more easy bruising. I just told
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: somebody on the way here, you know, if they start
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: to get nose bleeding or bleeding when they brush their teeth.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Whoa.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: No, yeah. So it's a natural product, but it's a
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: blood thinner. The spike protein causes blood clotting. So we
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 2: have an epidemic of blood clotting. So everybody is prone
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: to this. I personally took it, take it, I took
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: it this morning, take it on an empty stomach. And,
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: you know, I had measured my spike antibodies and my
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: spike antibodies, which should be zero, but since I had
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: COVID at least once proven and probably two other times,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: my spike antibodies were 2,300. And the published literature suggests
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: under a thousand, you're probably safe. You probably cleared it out,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: just residual antibodies. I was 2,300. My ears are ringing.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel well. I went on spike detox. It
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: took about a year. but I've dropped it to 900. Amen.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: Now, the average person who's had taken a vaccine, who's
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: got a trouble, blood clot, heart damage, they're at 11,000.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: And we commonly see people over 25,000. So people who
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: are in trouble.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: How can people get checked to see what they're at
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: to know if it's- Blood.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: Test, super important. Let's go to LabCorp. You can self-order
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: your blood test. You should do it.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm getting some blood work done this week, actually.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: You should do it. Go to LabCorp.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: So now go to individuals and patients. So go to
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: more on-demand tests.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: And it's going to be a COVID antibody test. Keep going.
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: There, click on this. This is the test. It's 69. Okay,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: stop here. If you get a user ID and password
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: right here and you pay $ 69, you use your credit card,
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: you pay right here, then the order's at LabCorp. You
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: can go in there, get your blood test, and you'll
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: know that night your number. If you're under 1,000, you're safe.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: If you're above 5,000, you probably got the spike protein
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 2: in your bloodstream. And if you're over 10,000 or above,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: you're in trouble. Yeah. And there's about a correlation of
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: about 0.8 to 0.9 of the antibody to the actual
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: spike protein. Soon there's going to be a direct spike
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: protein test. And we're working hard with companies to do that.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: But this is a super useful test. Do you know
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: that the Mayo Clinic refuses to order this test?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: And so does every other major hospital. If you go
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: in and you say, doctor, I want a COVID test.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: I want to assess my spike exposure. They'll say, I
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: refuse to do it. So LabCorp got so frustrated. They
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: just offer this to the public and say, pay 69 bucks.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: You can self-order your COVID test.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: Good for them.
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: We've published a whole spike guide on this, how to
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: interpret it. And so like I told you, the average
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: person who took the shot who's in trouble in a
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: paper by Barham and colleagues is 11,000. So my mother-in-law,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: who's now 93, she lives with us. She took two
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: Pfizer shots because we had to get her out of Canada.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: She was older and pandemic and what have you. She's
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: never had a side effect once. No sore arm, nothing.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: She goes, I don't know what you're making such a
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: big deal about these COVID shots.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: Nothing.
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: And I've been watching her carefully. I'm telling you, she
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: has nothing wrong with her from the COVID shots. I said,
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: I can't believe this. So, and I told you, I
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: was 2,300. I didn't take the shots, but I had
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 2: the illness. So we checked mama, you know what she was? 200.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: No wonder she's fine. So the point is, there's probably
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: easily 85% of people who took the shots They got
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: basically a dud. They got next to nothing.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: They have no antibodies. They never got much exposure to
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 2: spike and they're fine.
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: The reading that you're looking for, the number that you're
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: looking for coming back, it's what? Spike proteins?
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: It's actually the antibody to the spike protein.
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Okay. So you're looking for the antibody number to the
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: spike protein. Which is- If you're under 1,000- 1,000. Then
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: you're doing fine.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: If you're 5,000 or up, then you should get checked out.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you need to get going. Well, you need to
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: get going. You need to get going on, at least
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: on the ultimate spike detox.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 2: And- You know, once starting, I've treated thousands of patients. Now,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: I do have to prescribe some drugs in addition for
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: certain syndromes. Now, what does that mean? Well, what I
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: mean is if there's heart damage, there's another drug I
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: have to prescribe called colchicine.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Okay. How do people know if there's heart damage?
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I've published kind of the leading paper on this
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: called Risk Stratification. But in general, it's prompted by symptoms,
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: EKG and an ultrasound. I just do that in my office.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Any standard doctor would do that. But the point is
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: some people additionally need prescription drugs. But once people are
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: on the detoxification program, and I think I'm the most
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: experienced doctor in the world in treating patients with this condition,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: I've never seen a new blood clot. I've never seen
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: a cardiac arrest. I've never seen a new problem emerge.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: Amen.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: All the people... who are emerging with problems now. Oh,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: I got a blood clot now. Oh, I've got an
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 2: advanced cancer now. Oh, I've got some, they have not
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 2: done the detox.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: So important. It's probably the biggest public health message I
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: can give on this show is, you know, if you
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: just want to play it safe and want some healthy
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: supplements anyway, a lot of people take supplements, they just
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 2: take it empirically.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: Take it for a year.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: And at least a year, And extended use if you
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 2: have underlying heart disease or risk for blood clots or elsewhere.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: How many a day?
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Two capsules twice a day, empty stomach.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: Best time to take it, I think, is if you
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: get up at night to use the restroom and your
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: stomach's empty, take it with some water before you go
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: back to bed and just take it on an empty stomach.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Got it.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: I saw a woman yesterday who has a rare genetic condition.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: But it impairs the nerves. What is it?
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: She was good at parallel parking? That's just an old joke?
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: No, she's actually very bright. She's very successful in her job.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: She comes in. But her genetic condition, the nerves don't
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 2: allow the capillaries to open and close correctly. And so
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: she's modeled all over with a pattern called levito reticularis.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: Doctors and nurses know what I'm talking about. And I
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: saw her walking down the hall because I was getting
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: ready to you know, have her and her husband come
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: in the office. And I just, she just looked so.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Ill.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: She looked chronically ill. She's 20 years younger than me.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: And she said, doctor, I have this genetic condition. And
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 2: when I took the vaccine, it absolutely ravaged me. And
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: I have intractable headaches. Look at me. She looked so terrible.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: The condition is actually called Mitchell's disease, if you'll type
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 2: in Mitchell's disease. So the point is, but listen to this.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: When she walked in my office, I did not know
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: what Mitchell's disease was. She came in, I have Mitchell's disease.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 2: So what did I do? A smart doctor. I get
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: to a certain point where I said, listen, I have
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: to have you change into a gown because I'm going
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: to get an EKG. While she's changing into the gown,
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: I go on artificial intelligence, and I look up Mitchell's disease.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: In two seconds, I have the answer. In fact, I
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: even have the genetic mutation for Mitchell's disease now known,
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: which is an SCN9A mutation. And I came back in
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: the office, and I do the next part. I said,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 2: so you have this rare disease. It's a mutation of
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: the SCN9A gene that gates a voltage into these nerves.
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: She goes, you're the first doctor who's ever seen it.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: identify that. And I said, you know, it's just, but
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: the point I'm making is that's the power of artificial intelligence.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: I could have gotten to it. It would have taken forever.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 1: For sure.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: And I got to it. In fact, before I finished,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: I ordered the correct genetic test on her, which she's
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: never had before, got her on spike detoxification, ordered the
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: other appropriate labs. And she literally hugged me. She goes,
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 2: I have never had anybody even pay any attention to me.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: I'm absolutely miserable at this. And now I can see
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: a pathway out of this.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing. People want to, yeah, they just
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 1: want you to hear what's going on with them a
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: lot of times. A couple of questions I got to
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 1: get answers to just so we, RFK has been in
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 1: office for over a year now, right? As Secretary of
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: Health and Human Services. How do you feel like he's
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: done there?
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, he's a friend. What I'd say is this,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: is that if we've learned anything, you mentioned trust is
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 2: low in the government. The government doesn't treat patients. The
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: government's honestly not our caretaker. They're not our doctor. And
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: you probably never asked the question, how is Alex Azar doing?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: You probably know who he was. He was HHS secretary
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: under Trump. Or how did Beshara do? He was HHS
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: secretary under Biden. You probably never asked that. The only
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: reason why you'd ask about RFK is because you know
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: him and he kind of has a celebrity status. let
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 2: me just say constructively what I would do if I
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 2: was in his job. I think that's probably a better
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 2: thing to say.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not trying to pitch you like saying something
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: negative about him.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: No, but I'll just tell you what I would do. Now,
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: the difference is I'm a doctor with medical authority.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: That's very different. There's nobody in Washington who has medical authority.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: There's nobody in Washington that's ever treated a COVID patient,
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 2: that's ever had an important publication on COVID, ever innovated
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: with– a treatment protocol or detoxification. There's no one in
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: Washington with medical authority. Medical authority means I am taking
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 2: charge and I will handle this medical problem. No one.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: So if I went to Washington, I would be the
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 2: only one with medical authority. So what would I do
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: on day one? I would have pulled the COVID vaccines
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: off the market. Just pulled them. Say, sorry, I have
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 2: medical authority. They're not safe. They're gone. It just, that's
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: what it is. It's the call. You just make the call.
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: It's not a political issue. This is a drug safety issue.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: So I pull the COVID vaccines off the market. The
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 2: next thing I do is I use the power of
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: HHS and the office to do some very important things.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: Virtually every major medical center and medical school gets funding
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: from HHS, not only through CMS for medical care, but
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: also from the National Institutes of Health and sometimes the CDC.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Every week I'd be having meetings in Washington saying there's
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: a mandatory meeting. Send your dean or your chief medical officer,
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: your chief of medicine, whatever, to Washington, and we're going
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: to have a review of lessons learned in the pandemic.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 2: Which hospital had the best treatment protocols? Which one didn't?
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Which had the lowest mortality? Which didn't? Vaccine safety. This
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: is what we're seeing with the vaccines. It's the reason
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: why we're pulling them off the market. In fact, you
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: could actually call rapid meetings. And say, listen, we're going
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: to go over the data, and we want to gain
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 2: a consensus. Before we tell the public we're pulling them
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: off the market, we want to make sure you got
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: your buy-in on this. And use the power of the
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: meeting to, you know, when you call a meeting, and
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: they happen all the time. They're called Bethesda meetings. In
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: the last two administrations, they literally haven't had any. But
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: we go to Washington. You have all kinds of experts
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: from academia, from the FDA, CDC, NIH, industry. You have
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: public citizens. There's an agenda. You raise some issues. You
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: basically vet them, gain a consensus, drive policy. That's the process.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 2: So I'd be doing this every week. When it came
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: to diet, for sure I would have done that. I
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 2: And what I would do in that office is I
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 2: would get the medical orthodoxy on my side. I wouldn't
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: write policy with just a handful of assistants because there's
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: a million doctors out there. There's a half a million
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: nurse practitioners and PAs. There's 5,600 hospitals, 2,200 acute care hospitals.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on. The medical industry is too big
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: and it's too strong. You can't do anything in Washington
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: without the medical community. That's what I would do. And
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: you can make it mandatory. So listen- If you want
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 2: to get your CMS funding, your NIH funding, you better
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 2: show up here. And I would do it for topic
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 2: after topic. Food dyes, fluoride. I'd go through childhood vaccines.
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: I'd go through the whole thing and just use Washington
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 2: as a convening and talk about make America healthy again.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: If we had somebody with that type of leadership skills
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: and that type of vision, oh my gosh, healthcare in
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: the United States could be dramatically turned around.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: Um, Do you think that the lobbies that are there
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: now and the big pharma and the cabal that's out
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 1: there now, do you think it, what's its end goal
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 1: for us? Does it, do you feel like?
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, in our first book, we outlined this
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: biopharmaceutical complex. It's powerful and it has the medical societies
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: with it. Remember I mentioned the smoke fest and this
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 2: great problem with smoking among doctors. Do you know the
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: American Medical Association was fully on board with smoking? They
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: were getting tobacco lobby money. And it wasn't until 1978
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: before they have the first pamphlet come out on this. Wow.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: You know, 28 years after the evidence shows cancer, smoking
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 2: causes lung cancer.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: After everybody made a buck, huh? Yeah.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 2: So here, let's just take vaccines as an example. Well,
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: you've got the American College of Pediatrics. You've got the
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 2: American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, American Medical Association. I mean,
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 2: this is a freight train. They all are fully in
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: lockstep on these vaccines. And so the lobby is very tight.
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: And they're told, I guarantee, non-physicians in Washington are told,
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: don't you flinch on these vaccines. If you do, polio
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 2: is coming back. And it's going to be on you.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you a story. This is one reason
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: why this stuff has always been interesting to me is
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 1: because I grew up in a community where Tulane University,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: they had their primate testing facility center in our town. Yeah.
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 1: And it's where they helped develop the polio vaccine, right?
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 1: And they found out at one point that the vaccine
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 1: that they created was going to also could cause cervical
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 1: cancer in women. But they'd already made so much of
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 1: the vaccine that they still gave it out to women. They,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Like, so I think I
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: was like, literally grew up in this environment where there
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: was always these like weird mysteries and things going on. Um, uh,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 1: Lee Harvey Oswald went to the same middle school that
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: I went to, which was kind of wild. Um, so
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: there was just always like this, this allure in our
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: area of like, uh, I don't know if it's conspiracy
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: because now every conspiracy theory ends up being right about
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: two years later.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: You probably read the book, right? That Mr. Dr.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: Mary's monkeys.
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 2: So that took place.
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: But it was just interesting to me because all I'd
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 1: heard about was this cures polio. But then also it
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: helps cause– it can contribute to causing cervical cancer in women.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 1: So it just made me think out of the gate
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 1: like how reliable is what we're doing? That's something I've
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: always asked.
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: We should always trust but verify, understand what we're doing
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: now is very, very likely to change in the future.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: Do you know most of the drugs I use now
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 2: didn't even exist when I went to medical school?
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:02:19
  Speaker 2: So we get rid of old drugs. We use newer,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: better drugs. We should have constant drug improvement. We should
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: have constant vaccine improvement. We talked about the measles vaccine.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 1: That's a great point.
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 2: The measles vaccine has not been improved since the 1960s.
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: It's like, what?
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, dude.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: It's nuts. I mean, there's been no improvement. And one
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: of the reasons why is the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Act,
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 2: which gave immunity to any liability.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: To the companies. That's why they couldn't face any lawsuits, right? Right.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: So the companies have no incentives to make better safer products.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: And not only not to make better ones, but to
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: save probably money on whatever they're currently manufacturing anyway, because
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: that's the way that business works a lot of times. Um,
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: why do you think that no politician wants to tackle
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: big pharma for real? You know, it's always this thing
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 1: that's kicked around, but it's, I mean, it's, it's, but
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: no one really does anything.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: Well, remember, they don't want to touch healthcare. Remember, no
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 2: politician wants to touch Medicare, Medicaid, um, Drug companies, big pharma, vaccines.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: Why don't they want to touch healthcare? The reason being
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: is that healthcare is about 17% of the gross domestic
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: national product. We spend more on GDP in healthcare than
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: any other country. It's big business. Do you know that
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: hospitals are the leading employer in most middle and smaller towns?
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: Healthcare is the leading employer of single mothers. Hmm. Healthcare
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: is so big. We spend so much money taking care
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 2: of each other. It's literally, it's a behemoth. And people
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: are afraid to touch it because it's such a political
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: hot potato. You do anything that looks like you're anti-healthcare, anti-vaccine,
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 2: anti-drug company, anti-nurses or anti-doctors, you're going down. You're not
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: getting reelected.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, and if you're a regular person, it's like
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: you won't even work. If 17% of our GDP is
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 1: going through that canal, it's like a lot of people
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: would be afraid to speak up because they wouldn't even
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 1: be able to work.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm wrong.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: It's 18.5. Healthcare spending accounted for about 18.5% of U.S.
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 1: GDP in 2025. If we can't change it, how do
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 1: you avoid big pharma, do you feel like?
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: You know, I've been impressed in the last six years,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm constantly collaborating, and I've always done this my
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 2: entire life. So I'm literally out of the medical orthodoxy now.
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 2: I was the named endowed professor lecturer at Harvard in 2019.
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: Harvard hasn't invited me back. I was a full professor
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: of medicine where I was in Dallas, Texas. So I'm
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: now actually working with naturopathic and holistic and other doctors.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: And one of them has particularly impressed me where he said, listen,
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: he said, it's nature first, drugs last. So try to
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: find natural solutions. And if you're willing to do this,
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: that means you probably will be taking more supplements or
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 2: vitamins than you normally would. It probably means you'll pay
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: more attention to diet and exercise than you normally would.
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 2: But you are intentionally not going to have a reliance
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: on drugs.
• 2:05:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And have some responsibility for ourselves. Yeah. I mean,
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 1: it almost did. I get to the point in my
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 1: life where it feels gross even Like, I mean, recreational
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 1: drugs now, that's different. But if I just have to
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 1: take a pill for something, it just feels so cringe
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 1: to me now. Even opening a pill bottle, it just
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: feels like it has such a sour taste in the world,
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 1: I think, for a lot of people these days. But
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: it also saves people's lives. There's also a lot of.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: Great medicines out there. Well, let me ask you this.
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 2: What percent of people make it to age 80 perfectly
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 2: healthy without relying on any drugs?
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 1: Probably none.
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: About 10%. It's possible.
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: It's possible. I'm not one of them. I'm 63 years old.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: I've had high blood pressure since age 25. I mean,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: life-threatening high blood pressure. I can't live without taking a
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: blood pressure pill every day. So I'm not going to
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: make it.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: This helps.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to make it. Yeah, well, I take
• 2:06:28
  Speaker 2: some natural products as well. But the point is- I
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: have people come to my office saying, doc, I don't
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: want to take any medicines. I had somebody like that yesterday.
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: He's already had a heart attack. He has stents in
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 2: his coronary artery. I said, well, we're going to do
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: the best we can with the natural products. But, you know,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: I got to tell you, if I was you, I
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: would take the prescription drugs. A lot of prescription drugs
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: are natural anyway. And they're just in purified form. Like
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: aspirin is over the counter, but it's a drug. It's
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: derived from the bark of birch trees. Hydroxychloroquine, which we
• 2:07:01
  Speaker 2: used in COVID, but we used for malaria and for
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: rheumatoid arthritis, that's derived from the bark of a chinchona tree.
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Ivermectin is derived from the soil in Japan. It's produced
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: by another organism.
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: Those two drugs specifically, hydrochloroquine and ivermectin, got such a
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: bad rap. If you read Bobby Kennedy's book about Dr. Fauci,
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 1: it lays out how some of that was pre-planned, how
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: it was... how it was lobbied against in certain environments.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: It was taken off the shelves. When you look back
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 1: on those two medicines, what are your thoughts about them?
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that those who really, really were
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: involved in pandemic planning, even in the Johns Hopkins 2017
• 2:07:49
  Speaker 2: sparse pandemic training exercise, there was a drug proposed. and
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: it was going to generate confusion. And in the planning exercise,
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: they kill the drug to feature the vaccine. That was
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: in 2017 in the open. I think it was essentially
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: in people's minds to say, listen, don't allow any drugs
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 2: to play a role here. We want to feature mass
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 2: vaccination as the principle. So hydroxychloroquine killed in the first year.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: Second year, ivermectin killed. We had IV monoclonal antibodies, high-tech
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: operation warp speed. They were safe and effective. I used
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: them like crazy. They were taken off the market rapidly,
• 2:08:28
  Speaker 2: six in a row taken off the market. Colchicine, super useful. Again,
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: natural product, but it's a prescription drug. It was absolutely
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: suppressed and crushed. Corticosteroids were great confusion over those. They
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: were suppressed. Vitamin D, Eric Naputi, who ran a company,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 2: the Federal Trade Commission sued him and his company personally.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 2: Nasal sprays and gargles, they worked very well in reducing
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: the viral burden. Nate Jones at Clear personally and his
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 2: company was sued by the Federal Trade Commission. He was crushed.
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: For what?
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: What was he crushed for?
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: For creating them? He was crushed for proposing that we
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: could use them in the pandemic.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: People forget so quick. Remember, have you mentioned anything Everybody
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 1: was against you. It could be your neighbor. It was
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: like the news channels. This guy disagrees.
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: Except the vaccine. You weren't crushed if you said the
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: vaccine's the answer.
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: But it's interesting. That was in the minds of people.
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: So nasal sprays and gargles, vitamin D, other forms of nutraceuticals, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: monoclonal antibodies, colchicine, corticosteroids. The entire McCullough protocol was crushed.
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: It didn't matter if it was cheap generic or expensive.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: high tech. That told you there was some type of
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: delusion about the vaccine being the only approach. Remember Paxlovid,
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: the oral drug that comes in, comes in two years
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: into the pandemic. In the first year, all we really
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: had was McCulloch protocol and hydroxychloroquine. The second year, we
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: really had McCulloch protocol and ivermectin. So it got so bad,
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 2: the FDA put out You know, flagrantly false information about
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 2: ivermectin on its website and on Twitter, all over. Misleading information.
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: The FDA is sued by three doctors. And this goes
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: through court proceedings. And finally, the FDA says, we'll take
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: down our false information. Why is our FDA putting out
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 2: false information on ivermectin? It was hurting people. I'm telling
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: you as a doctor, and again, I have the authority
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: to make this call. I've used it. I've looked at
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: all the clinical trials. I understand clinical trials very well.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, ivermectin is safe and effective.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: I mean, I've done a lot of drugs over the years.
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 1: I'd do a little probably. Was there anybody who was
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 1: immune to any genetics or demographics or cultures that were
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: immune to COVID-19?
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: There were a few papers indicating that children were largely immune,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: that they had a lot of cross-exposure with other coronaviruses.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: almost no serious cases in children. There was an occasional
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: child with cystic fibrosis or some problem who got really sick,
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 2: but children are largely immune. School teachers, because they have
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 2: so much, there was no significant spread of serious illness
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: from children to the school teachers.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: But no, was there any like, was there any like
• 2:11:26
  Speaker 1: a Norwegian person couldn't get it? Or was there like
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 1: somebody from Zimbabwe? Like, was there any like.
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 2: A, There's one adult group, you're going to laugh, but
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: there's one adult group, no specific ethnicity or culture, but
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: you're going to laugh, smokers.
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 1: Smokers couldn't get it?
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: They got it, very mild cases. And they don't get
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: long COVID. You know why?
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: Because smokers maintain a level of nicotine in the bloodstream.
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: They actually smoke frequently enough, blood nicotine blocks the spike
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: protein as it's interfacing with a nicotinic acetylcholine receptor. Smoking
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: blocks the spike protein. It's amazing. I thought smokers were
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: going to go down.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: Well, who knows now then all those years of this,
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 1: all those smoking advertisements ended up probably saving people's lives
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 1: 40 years later.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what we use now use, we use
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: a nicotine patch, seven milligram patch, even in non-smokers to
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 2: help them through long COVID. We use it in addition
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 2: to the McCullough protocol.
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: I've seen people recommend that people should just be on
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 1: nicotine of like a take a nicotine pass. Do you
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 1: think that's a good idea on a regular basis or
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 1: is that just?
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 2: I think if they have long COVID, I recommended to
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: a patient yesterday, if they have long COVID symptoms, nicotine,
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: don't forget, is a nootropic. A nootropic is a drug
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 2: that does make the brain function more effectively. It's a methylxanthine.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: It's related to caffeine. Caffeine does the same thing. It's
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 2: an nootropic. So some people use nicotine little packets or whatever.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: I grew up in Texas. So, you know, there were
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: kids were dip snuffing.
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. We used to chew that plug tobacco. Right.
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 2: My dad was a chain smoker. But nicotine itself is addictive,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: but it's not harmful to the human body. And so is,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: by the way, caffeine is addictive, but it's not harmful
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: to human body. What's harmful is... is the tars that's
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: in tobacco and smoke. So you might even use the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: dip snuff that's related to oral cancer. But now the
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 2: purified forms of nicotine, my understanding is that they're safe.
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: The nicotine patches are perfectly safe. And there you go.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. Right before we started, I
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 1: heard you say that The past six years have been
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 1: very exciting in your life, right? Because it seems like,
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 1: does it feel like now that you have more of
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 1: a sense of purpose, that you've kind of been put
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 1: at the pinnacle of this, like being somebody to raise
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 1: their hand about, hey, is this safe for us? Because
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 1: so often people look back, you look at movies that
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 1: champion a certain person, And at first that person was
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 1: ridiculed and ostracized, you know, that's always the story, but
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 1: it's so crazy. And then at the end, they're the champion.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: And we lulled them as being like, thank God they
• 2:14:17
  Speaker 1: brave the rapids and they did this. But then we'll
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: see somebody in our present lives who are trying to
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 1: do the same thing. And whether they're right or wrong,
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 1: sometimes it's like, I'm always like, That person's trying to
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 1: do something different, right? Like that person is speaking against
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 1: the grain. Don't you think of all the movies that
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: we've seen where it's like that's the beginning of the story?
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 1: So I know that like the last six years of
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 1: your life have been wild. You said that. What did
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 1: you mean when you said that? And have you just
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: felt a lot more of a sense of purpose? Do
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: you feel more support now than you did in the beginning?
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 1: Tell me some of that before we get you out
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: of here. And thank you so much.
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 2: The last six years of my life called me to
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: essentially adopt an entirely new area of medicine, which is
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: infectious diseases and specifically the pandemic and everything about it,
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: but has also, in a sense, thrust me into the
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: public limelight as a figure and You'll be the first
• 2:15:19
  Speaker 2: one to tell people, I didn't ask to come on
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: your show. No, no, not at all. We were excited.
• 2:15:23
  Speaker 2: I didn't ask to go on Joe Rogan, and I
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 2: didn't ask to go testify in the U.S.
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 3: Senate.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: I'm being called to play a role in this enormous
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: controversy that's unfolded in the world. And sadly, people did
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: die of the infection, and even more people have died
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: of the vaccine now. And we still haven't seen this
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: whole story unfold. There seems to be a groupthink, a
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: madness that we saw evolve regarding fear, masks, lockdowns, hand sanitizer, vaccines.
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 2: We don't know what's coming next, but I can tell
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 2: you this infectious groupthink, it does occur among doctors and
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 2: nurses and healthcare professionals. I think they're very susceptible to this.
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 2: Something has happened in the human mind and we need...
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 2: We need to have a lot more discussion on this.
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: We have to be able to call meetings and have
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 2: people come together. If our government can do anything, they
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 2: just have to bring together the orthodoxy, those who are
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 2: the innovators and the thinkers outside. Remember in the time
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: of a controversy and a crisis, the answer never comes
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: from within us. the establishment, never, never. Previously, the establishment
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: for centuries and centuries was the church. And when there's
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: a crisis, the church didn't provide a solution. You can
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: tell governments all over the world did not provide a
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 2: solution to the pandemic, but individuals did. And fortunately, a
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: wellness company, we got like-minded people. We formed an entire company.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 2: We've been very successful, but here we are. So I
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: must have been called to play a role in this
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 2: time of great controversy. It's been so great to be
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: on your show.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Dr. McCullough, thank you so much. And thank you
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 1: so much for just being brave enough to speak up
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 1: and to think out loud. Like that's what we, you know,
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 1: it's like so many times during this conversation, I've just
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: realized like how we slowly just get like molded into the,
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 1: like kind of folded into the batter. We don't even
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 1: realize it, you know? So yeah. Thank you so much
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 1: for joining us today.
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 1: I'm going to grab something from the wellness company and yeah,
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 1: I'd love to chat again sometime and see how things
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 1: are going.
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 2: All right. Thanks for having me.
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 3: On the breeze and I feel I'm falling like these
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 3: leaves I must be corners oh but when i reach
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 3: that ground i'll share this peace of mind i found
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 3: i can feel it in my bones