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Gen X vs. Millennials Are Delicious w/ Ducks Unplugged · The Delicious Culture with Jon Francois

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  thing? The jeans and the going out top. Oh, the
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  that one. Hello, delishies. Grab a plate and
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  taste the delicious culture. I'm your host, Jon
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  Francois. We are feasting on food, pop culture,
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  and lifestyle with the hosts of the Ducks Unplugged
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  podcast. Deanna and Ashley, Deanna feels so bad
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  because she hacked into my previous podcast episode
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  that I was recording. But Deanna, no, that's
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  okay. That's okay. I really did. And I think
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  I waited like an awkward amount of time before
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  I realized it and hung up. So that's fun. No,
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  no, no, no. It made me laugh internally because
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  the last guest that did that, she just stayed
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  there. And I was like, okay, cool. Like it's
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  time to wrap up. No, no, it's okay. It happens.
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  I should space out my recordings more and I should
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  figure out a waiting room feature for Riverside.
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  But it is okay. It is okay. Here we are. I think
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  it's the perfect icebreaker, frankly. Have you
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  guys had that happen to you before where you
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  have broken into somebody else's podcast or something
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  like that? This is a first. Yeah, I was a virgin.
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  So yeah, this is a first for me. We should make
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  that a routine where we should where we just
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  like, I don't know, randomly crash into. That
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  would be pretty funny, actually. Yeah. Like what's
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  what's a podcast that does like a lot of Zoom
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  and Riverside remotes? That's that's the that's
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  the difficult thing. We have to. Yeah. Because
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  it's not the pandemic anymore. So people don't
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  really do that. Right. It's more like studio
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  stuff. I was going to say like, oh, let's let's
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  crash into Joe Rogan's podcast. But like it's
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  it's it's an in -person experience. So crashing
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  a studio seems more logistically challenging
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  than crashing a Zoom. I'd hope he has security,
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  but, you know, you never know, really. We look
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  like nice people that could just stumble in,
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  right? I think so. I think so. Like, you know,
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  hey, random security guard in Austin, Texas,
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  let us in. We deserve to be on this gigantic
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  podcast right now. Right. So let me start with
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  this, guys. So I'm listening to a couple episodes
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  of your podcast. I'm very entertained, but I'm
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  asking myself, okay, it's called Ducks Unplugged.
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  Why is it called Ducks Unplugged? Like, what's
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  the whole background? Like, why are you calling
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  yourself ducks? I love it. Especially the what
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  the duck segment where you're, you know, talking
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  about things that drive you crazy and that you
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  don't understand. I think it was it was it you,
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  Ashley, that had mentioned that you didn't like
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  or that you didn't understand going on safari
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  or I don't get it. I don't get it. No, I fundamentally
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  don't understand putting yourself in line of
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  the apex predators of the world without any glass
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  or cage. You would be best friends with my wife
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  because I'm the person that's like, oh, my God,
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  you know, wife, you know, we should like find
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  a wonderful African man who can like, you know,
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  go on safari with us and show us like the giraffes
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  and the elephants. And keep in mind, my wife
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  is a veterinary technician. She's a dog rescue
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  president. So you would think that she'd be all
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  enthusiastic for this. But she's like you, Ashley,
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  where she's like, no, the animals are going to
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  attack me and I don't want to. Yes. No, we're
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  going to go on a Jeep Wrangler and it's going
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  to be great. No. Yeah, you don't hear about that
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  very often, people dying under apex predator
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  attacks, though. I feel like it's safe. You're
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  fine. I just don't want it to be me. I don't
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  want me to be the exception to the rule. Like,
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  Ashley goes on her first safari and comes back
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  one less leg. I don't know. I don't want it to
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  happen. You don't want to go to heaven being
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  beaten by an elephant? Come on now. That's been
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  my dream. No, no, no. I'd rather go peacefully
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  in my sleep if at all possible. All right. But
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  why are you guys called Ducks? That is an excellent
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  question. So Deanna and I work at a marketing
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  agency called Blue Duck Agency. Deanna is the
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  president. I'm the VP of client service. And
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  over two years ago now, in some kind of fever
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  dream brainstorm that we were having about developing
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  new business and getting ourselves out there,
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  we said, why don't we start a podcast? Because
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  a lot of the marketing worlds. agencies do and
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  sell the same things. And it's really when you
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  get on the phone with the people, get to know
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  the people, that's when you're like, okay, I
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  see it. I want to work with these people. They're
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  smart. They have good ideas. They're fun. So
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  we were looking for a way to get ourselves out
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  there in a different way and just get to show
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  who we are and show who you work with. So we
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  came up with the name Ducks Unplugged as like
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  a podcast under the Blue Duck Agency arm. And
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  then it's really evolved from there. So we went
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  from the early days, you know, your first couple
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  episodes, they're painful to listen to. They're
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  a little rough. They're rough. Very business
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  marketing focused. And we do do that sometimes.
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  You'll see that in a couple of episodes. But
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  the content and what people were reacting to
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  and really giving us feedback on evolved and
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  it turned into this whole multi -generational
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  thing. Deanna's a Gen X and she's got older kids
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  and I'm a millennial, although I do call myself
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  an old soul elder millennial. And I have a young
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  son. Elder millennial is her term. That's me.
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  I'm the elder. We're just having all these interesting
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  conversations that kind of transcended business.
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  So here we are. We're the ducks. We're a little
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  unplugged because as you've seen, we'll talk
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  about going on safari, but then we'll also, you
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  know, brainstorm something for Ring. That's on
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  our Halloween episode that just launched yesterday.
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  So we're diverse ducks. Oh my. Who doesn't love
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  a duck? Who doesn't love a duck, right? Yeah,
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  yeah, yeah. Do you want to expand upon what Ashley
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  said, Deanna? Nope. She nailed it. Thanks. That's
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  pretty much it. Ashley's the perfect spokesperson.
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  So the brand is unfiltered, honest conversation.
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  I love that. try my best to sort of be in line
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  with that with my podcast. But I guess what I
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  want to ask is, is there ever second guessing
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  involved? Because, you know, we're all human
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  and we all want to be liked. So, you know, sometimes
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  I'll approach a podcast topic and I think, OK,
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  I could be unfilteringly honest about this, but
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  will I come off like an asshole? And. I say this
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  to say because I really enjoyed your episode
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  on tipping culture and like, you know, service
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  industries and what employees deserve to be tipped
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  and who may not deserve to be tipped. And it
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  made me think like, oh, like, you know, when
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  you're prepping an episode like that, do you
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  go in wondering like, oh, God, I don't know.
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  Are we going to just have like a bunch of I'm
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  trying to figure out who. Oh, God. Because like
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  at this point, I mean, yes, you go to like a
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  fast food restaurant and you're tipping your
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  McDonald's cashier. So like, are you going into
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  an episode like that thinking like, oh, God,
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  I don't know if we're going to come off like
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  really badly the next time we go to McDonald's
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  and come across a cashier who may have listened
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  to the episode and blah, blah, blah. So like,
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  how do you how do you balance like that unfiltered
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  conversational thing with also like, you know,
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  the human sensitivity of like, oh, God, I hope
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  we're not coming off as assholes. I mean, the
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  Internet's a wild place. Yeah. Yeah. Like you're
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  going to somebody's going to call you an asshole
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  no matter what. So it kind of doesn't matter.
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  Right. I think, though, I have a feeling Ashley's
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  a little bit more sensitive to this than I am.
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  I think this is where my age works to my advantage
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  because I honestly got at this point like I am
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  who I am. Right. Like and if you don't like my
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  view on something. That's OK. I don't care. So
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  so but it's interesting that you mentioned that,
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  John, because we have two different types of
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  episodes that we release. So we have like our
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  full length episodes that we film in person and
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  that we talk about the content ahead of time.
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  We prep the content ahead of time as much as
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  we can. And then it's just we don't share what
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  we're doing. So it's completely unfiltered and
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  raw when we film it. And then we have our podlets,
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  which is what you just mentioned, these little
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  sort of 15 minute topics. I don't tell Ashley
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  what we're talking about. Really? It's always
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  a surprise, which is like so anxiety -inducing
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  for me. And that works better because Ashley
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  is a little bit more careful about her words
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  and what she says. And then you have me who's...
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  probably a little less filtered. And so it's
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  so great when we have those topics because she
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  doesn't have time to think about her like politically
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  correct response to something. She just has to
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  react, right? And I love that about the podlets.
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  Ashley, so did you come to like sort of a therapy
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  friendly moment where it's like, OK, Ashley,
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  like breathe and be comfortable being uncomfortable.
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  This is going to be good for you. Is that what
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  you did? Yeah, I think I really do think it's
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  the millennial on me because we just that, you
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  know, you have to balance everybody's feelings
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  and how the world is working and how you position
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  yourself in the world. It just is kind of what
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  it was. But it's OK to have perspectives. You're
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  also. allowed to know that other people have
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  perspectives and you're not going to always agree
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  on them. So I do think that this podcast has
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  helped me be a little bit more comfortable getting
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  what I think out there. I also will say I trend
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  on the positive Sally. I'm a positive Patty,
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  if you will. Like my mindset really does go to
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  the positive a lot of the time. So sometimes
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  I feel like that can get misconstrued as me being
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  a little bit more neutral, but it's really a
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  survival instinct, I think, thinking in the positive
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  to be able to get yourself through the day, the
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  stresses of life, all that kind of stuff. But
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  no, it has been a little therapeutic having the
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  podcast and excuse me, I'm turning into a frog
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  right now, live on this podcast. You're a lovely
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  frog. You're a lovely frog. From duck to frog.
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  What just happened to me? Frogs unplugged. How
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  about that? Frogs unplugged. So yeah, no, it's
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  good. And like I was saying, the internet is
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  a wild place and people think that they can comment
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  really crazy things on your videos and on your
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  Instagram clips and on your TikTok. And you're
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  like, you wouldn't say that to my face. It gives
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  you a thick skin. Craziest comment that you guys
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  have gotten on the Internet. I mean, there's
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  a couple. There was some really, really mean
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  ones calling us whales at the beginning. Somebody
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  asked if we were dating at one point. They asked
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  if we were lesbians. Yeah. And then, wait, didn't
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  somebody make a comment to you? Have you ever
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  been outside and seen the sun? Yes. Yes, correct.
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  Somebody did at one point was like, it looks
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  like you've never been outside or seen the sun.
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  And like the real irony of that is that I have
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  a medical condition that makes me slightly allergic
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  to the sun. So I do have to avoid it. It's not
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  a bad thing. It's just the reality. So I'm like,
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  oh, my God. It was funny because I'm like, you
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  actually nailed it. You thought you were being
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  mean, but like you're kind of right. I was going
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  to ask because, yeah, do you respond with like,
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  oh, I'm going to shut you down with this medical
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  condition that I have? Or do you take the approach
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  that my wife always tells me to take, which is
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  ignore them. You're never going to get anywhere
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  fighting with people on the Internet like that.
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  We always comment back, but it's never in like
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  we're going to go back and forth with you kind
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  of thing. It's usually like a funny thing, like
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  a. thanks for listening or whatever, you know,
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  kill them with kindness or like, we love a keyboard
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  warrior too. And then sometimes they'll comment
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  back. That was our most recent one. What did
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  they say? They were like, oh, we're on your side.
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  Really? We actually kind of commented back a
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  little fresh response. Yeah, they said something
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  and they were like, we love watching two haggard
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  old ladies on the internet. And we're like, we
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  love a keyboard warrior. But then they commented
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  back and they were like, oh, we're actually on
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  your side with this one. So it's like, sometimes
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  you get people to change their minds or realize
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  that maybe they were mean. I don't know. Right.
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  But yeah, it's like. You say what you want to
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  say because you have something to put out into
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  the world and then people will receive it how
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  they receive it. They will. They will. And I
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  think the important thing to keep in mind, and
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  this is something that I learned when I had a.
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  period where I was posting clips of my podcast
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  on Reddit is that not everything is for you and
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  you could just easily scroll and move on if you
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  don't like or get something. You don't have to
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  comment as if it's supposed to be for you. And,
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  you know, because I remember I think I was posting
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  clips of like, I don't know, someone talking
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  about Girl Scout cookies or whatever. And, you
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  know, someone just being like, oh, my God, stop
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  talking about your podcast. And they're like,
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  who the fuck cares? Nobody cares about your take
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  on Girl Scout. And I'm like. And like you, Ashley,
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  I'm like, I'm going to kill him with kindness.
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  Hey, how you doing? This is the podcast. This
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  is what I promote. And it's okay if you don't
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  like it. You're more than welcome to move on.
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  And I'm thinking that they're either not going
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  to respond or maybe they'll just be like, oh,
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  goodness, I'm so sorry. But no, here's how they
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  respond. Oh, God, you're exactly the type of
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  person that would say that. It's like you can
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  never win with these people. It's true. So once
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  I've learned. that it's like yeah you know you
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  just um you don't take it seriously and you just
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  accept that the internet will be the way it is
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  and you just keep doing what you're doing keep
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  keep posting and like you said people will receive
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  it however they want to receive it random strangers
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  are verbally harassing me on the street telling
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  me to tell you to rate and review The Delicious
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  Culture with Jean -Francois on Apple and Spotify.
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  They have bullied me into telling you this because
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  these same strangers imply that as many people
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  will find the podcast as possible if you rate
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  and review The Delicious Culture on Apple and
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  Spotify, preferably positively, or else these
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  strangers will come over there and beat you.
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  Let's go back to the generational differences.
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  Gen X, that's you, Deanna. Ashley, like me, we're
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  both millennials. So we mentioned one is more
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  comfortable with unfiltered conversation than
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  the other. Give me some of the other generational
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  differences that you two have. And also, if you
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  have an example of how that may have led to some...
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  uh contention or tension in terms of like a topic
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  suggestion for an episode for sure yeah there
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  are like so many different examples so we kind
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  of worked ourselves into this generational perspective
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  in the podcast because as we were having conversations
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  early on we realized that diana was just naturally
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  thinking things in a different way as i was and
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  it was because of our generations and our learned
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  experiences so one of the funnier ones do you
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  want to tell about the tv guide Oh my God, I
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  love it so much. So this is where it started.
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  We were doing like a whole podcast on like what
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  screens raised you, right? So like talking about
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  TV and how it was different. It was so different
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  when I was younger and it started changing a
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  bit with Ashley. And I remember I referenced,
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  I said, well, you remember the TV guide, right?
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  And she got so excited, like genuinely excited.
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  She's like, oh yeah, that thing that just scrolled
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  on the TV and it didn't stop. And I'm like, oh
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  my God, no, the book. She's like, what? There
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  was a printed TV guide? No idea. And it was epic.
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  Well, in sort of Ashley's defense, so yes, I
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  know the physical TV guide. I remember having
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  that. But also, I believe there was a TV guide
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  cable network that they had. Oh, they totally
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  had the thing. Yes, right. But that's not what
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  I was talking about. I'm talking about Tom Selleck
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  on the front of the little book. Right. Yeah.
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  And the days where you literally had to plan
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  out your TV. Yes. We call it appointment TV.
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  Right. Because you had to plan out your week
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  because you couldn't record it or get it on streaming.
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  So we've had just like a number of those things.
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  And then the two of us are in very different
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  life stages right now. So Ashley's married. She
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  has an eight year old son. She's in the thick
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  of it doing all the sports stuff. Right. I'm
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  past that phase. Right. I have a 20 year old
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  and 18 year old. children. So they're sort of
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  moving on to that next chapter. I'm divorced.
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  I actually just got engaged. I'm planning my
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  second wedding. So like we're, thanks. So like
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  we're in these like really different phases.
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  And so those things just sort of like naturally
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  show themselves. But we've had, I mean, we've
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  had, and I'm probably going to get reamed for
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  it since you're a millennial too, but we've had
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  a number of like tough conversations of millennials
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  think that they like invented this or what was
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  the thing that going, the genes are going out.
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  To, like, strangle you about that one. Tell me
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  more about that. The jeans and going out top.
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  What do you mean? Okay, so jeans and a going
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  out top was just the uniform of millennial women
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  in college. If you were going out on a Friday
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  night, you were putting on jeans and what we
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  all call the going out top. And Deanna takes
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  this so personally because she's like, you never
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  thought that I put on jeans and a top to go out.
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  And I'm like, it's not about you. You invented
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  jeans and a cool top. I am not saying that. I
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  know that jeans existed before me and I know
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  that shirts existed before me. Going out tops.
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  But it was just like the ritual of the jeans
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  and the going out top and getting ready with
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  your. girlfriends and trading going out too.
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  I get it. I get it. But this is not for you.
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  It's a specific core memory for millennials in
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  that time period. She's like, it's not about
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  you, Deanna. As someone who is not a girl, what
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  do you mean specifically by going out top? Oh,
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  it's like a fancier version of a top. So it's
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  like maybe got a little sparkle on it or it's
• 18:14
  like a satin as opposed to just a cotton. It's
• 18:16
  like a fancier club top. It's like a club top.
• 18:19
  It's not that deep. I know. Right. It's still
• 18:23
  not about you. Honestly, just let me have this.
• 18:26
  Right. But like that comes up a lot. Like, you
• 18:29
  know, if Ashley is talking about like how she
• 18:31
  was raised or the pressures that she faced when
• 18:34
  she was in college or, you know, things like
• 18:37
  that. And I'm just I sometimes I just look at
• 18:39
  her and I'm like, this didn't start with your
• 18:42
  generation. Like we had. pressure we had parents
• 18:45
  that were like pushing us to do whatever or what
• 18:48
  you know what i mean we just handled it differently
• 18:49
  and so so sometimes things get a little contentious
• 18:53
  there because you know we don't agree correct
• 18:56
  and has it ever gotten contentious to a point
• 18:58
  where you guys have questioned your partnership
• 19:00
  and your friendship oh god no That's the really
• 19:03
  good thing about the relationship that we've
• 19:06
  built over the years, both professionally in
• 19:08
  the podcast and then as friendships. Like we're
• 19:10
  able to have tough conversations with each other
• 19:12
  regardless of what it's about and work through
• 19:14
  it. So like we know how to respectfully do that.
• 19:17
  We know when it's OK to push a little bit. We
• 19:19
  know when something is not OK to push on. And
• 19:21
  if something comes up, we'll just address it.
• 19:23
  Because I mean. I feel like that's a good communication
• 19:26
  thing that both the Gen X and the millennials,
• 19:29
  like we can communicate with each other. That's
• 19:31
  what we figured out. Sure. It's funny when you
• 19:34
  say genes and going out top because what I had
• 19:38
  in mind is probably different than what you had
• 19:41
  in mind, Ashley, because I remember. This was
• 19:44
  a big thing in college that I'd noticed with
• 19:46
  women and maybe in some respects high school.
• 19:49
  The jeans and the North Face jacket. That was
• 19:54
  also a big one. Yes. Yes, it was. With an Ugg
• 19:56
  boot. Yeah. Throw an Ugg boot on there. Is that
• 19:59
  still a thing with millennial women or has that
• 20:01
  gone out with the younger years? The Uggs have
• 20:03
  come back. The kids are wearing the Uggs. I am
• 20:06
  now wearing the Uggs for warmth, not fashion.
• 20:08
  So my view on the Ugg has changed. I haven't
• 20:12
  seen a North Face jacket in a long time, though.
• 20:14
  Me too. And I feel like maybe time to bring those
• 20:16
  back because they were warm. Were they? You had
• 20:19
  them yourself. I did. Oh, I sure did. Yes, yes,
• 20:21
  I did. Ashley was fashion forward. She was runner
• 20:25
  up in high school for best dressed. It's my claim
• 20:28
  to fame. You wouldn't know it these days. But
• 20:31
  back then when I had a little more time and brain
• 20:33
  space to think of an outfit before high school.
• 20:36
  Deanna, what was your equivalent? Was there like
• 20:39
  a specific like fashion brand, like a North Face
• 20:43
  sweater that was being college? I mean, I was
• 20:46
  80s, 90s, right? So some of the things I'm just
• 20:50
  not proud of, right? Like we had like champions,
• 20:53
  I mean, champion sweatshirts and like these.
• 20:56
  Those are back. We used to peg. I have champion
• 20:58
  hoodies. Those, you know what that is? Like where
• 21:00
  you used to peg your pants, where you used to
• 21:02
  roll your pants up. You don't even know what
• 21:05
  I'm talking about. Ashley didn't either. So that
• 21:07
  was like huge. It was just, it wasn't a great,
• 21:10
  it wasn't a great fashion time for teenagers.
• 21:13
  That's not coming back. I wore jeans and going
• 21:16
  out tops when I went to the club. I'm sure you
• 21:18
  did. I'm sure that you did. I believe you. I
• 21:20
  may have pegged my jeans, but yeah, like I wasn't
• 21:23
  doing that. But like I had bad hair. Like we
• 21:26
  had some bad hair going on. Like we crimped our
• 21:28
  hair. We had like the aquanet, you know, your
• 21:30
  bangs are up to here. Like there was, it wasn't
• 21:33
  a great. It wasn't a great look. Yeah. How about
• 21:35
  you, Ashley? What was your hair like back in
• 21:36
  the day? Oh, my hair was straightened to within
• 21:39
  an inch of its life. Like every single day. I'm
• 21:42
  surprised that I still had hair on my head after
• 21:44
  a certain amount of time. And then. finally up
• 21:47
  like my late 20s I was like I have this nice
• 21:49
  curly hair that I should just let live in the
• 21:51
  world and now here we are oh my god you're you
• 21:54
  just didn't want to do your hair anymore no I
• 21:56
  used to straighten it all the time in my 20s
• 21:58
  I know and you got sick of it like and now you're
• 22:00
  like I just I don't even care I embrace the curl
• 22:02
  right actually so we had this uh podlet about
• 22:05
  you know when you should go gray? Should you
• 22:08
  color your hair? Is it acceptable to go gray?
• 22:10
  Is it acceptable to have long gray hair as you
• 22:12
  get older? And like, do you feel like you need
• 22:14
  to cut your hair short? And I think I'm going
• 22:16
  to chop all my hair off. Wow. I'm thinking really
• 22:18
  hard about this. And she's going gray. And I'm
• 22:21
  going to go gray naturally. I actually booked
• 22:24
  my appointment for the end of January and I think
• 22:26
  I might get bangs. What? So this is hot off the
• 22:30
  press, guys. So you have to listen to our podcast
• 22:32
  about bangs and going gray naturally. I don't
• 22:35
  know. I just feel like in my soul, it's telling
• 22:37
  me to do it. Wait, you're going to do both? You're
• 22:39
  going to cut it and do bangs? Yeah. Ashley, are
• 22:42
  you sure? I think so. Well, I give myself to
• 22:44
  the end of January to decide. Can we talk about
• 22:47
  going gray naturally? Because I always... I am
• 22:50
  struggling to find a middle ground on the people
• 22:56
  who want to color their hair as they get older.
• 23:00
  Because on the one hand, it's like, okay, you
• 23:01
  know, it's your hair. You have the right to do
• 23:03
  what you want with it. And you could still look
• 23:05
  great. I mean, this applies for both men and
• 23:07
  women. But at the same time, as someone personally
• 23:11
  who... would not color his facial hair or his
• 23:14
  head hair or whatever. Like, I'm actually looking
• 23:16
  forward to going gray further. I mean, I have
• 23:19
  little grays on my facial hair, so I'm getting
• 23:21
  to that point in my mid -30s. So what are your
• 23:24
  guys' take on that? Are you like, oh, you know,
• 23:27
  do whatever you want? There's great reasoning
• 23:29
  for coloring your hair? Or are you just very
• 23:31
  much staunchly like, no, like, let the hair grow
• 23:33
  gray naturally? This is where you're going to
• 23:36
  see what I was talking about earlier. Oh, yeah,
• 23:38
  go ahead. I know exactly what she's going to
• 23:39
  say. everybody is welcome to do what they want
• 23:43
  to do with their hair. I really feel very strongly
• 23:46
  about that. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
• 23:49
  But Deanna, if you want to color your hair and
• 23:52
  have it down to your waist into your 60s, 70s,
• 23:56
  80s, 90s, I support you. Like, if you want it
• 23:59
  to go gray, I support you. I see what you're
• 24:01
  saying. It's a personal decision. Yeah. And I
• 24:03
  hope this doesn't come off badly, but, you know.
• 24:06
  Me and you, Ashley, were of the same thing where
• 24:09
  it's like, hey, do whatever you want to do, like
• 24:12
  open -minded. But Deanna, like I have a mom who
• 24:16
  is of the Gen X generation. And yeah, she's very
• 24:19
  much of that strongly opinionated, no, you should
• 24:21
  do this or no, you should not do that. So is
• 24:23
  that kind of where you come from on the coloring
• 24:24
  care thing? Well, I mean, I want people to feel
• 24:26
  good about how they look. So, you know, clearly
• 24:29
  if you, you know, but that doesn't mean I'm not
• 24:32
  going to like silently judge you maybe. And so
• 24:34
  like I, so like I'm going to. to have a problem
• 24:36
  because I well, actually, I probably won't have
• 24:38
  a problem. I don't want to go gray naturally.
• 24:40
  So like, trust me, I got a lot going on over
• 24:43
  here. And so I'm going to be coloring until I'm
• 24:46
  in the grave. In fact, I hope somebody colors
• 24:48
  me before they put me in the grave. And so so
• 24:51
  so but I'm always going to have long hair like
• 24:54
  I don't think I so I don't love the gray hair
• 24:57
  look with long hair. I think that I think that
• 25:00
  I don't love how that looks personally. OK, but
• 25:03
  if you feel good about it. You do you, right?
• 25:06
  The thing with men, though, John, is you're going
• 25:08
  to look all, like, distinguished when you're
• 25:10
  gray. Yes, distinguished is the word. Men look
• 25:11
  distinguished. And, like, that's not fair. It's
• 25:15
  just not fair. So women look old and haggard.
• 25:18
  There's that haggard word again. I disagree.
• 25:21
  I disagree. I've seen a lot of women with, you
• 25:25
  know, they're on the way to gray or they're completely
• 25:27
  gray, and they look absolutely beautiful. I'm
• 25:30
  not just saying that because I have two women
• 25:31
  in the studio here, but it's just like, no. I
• 25:33
  just, I don't know. Yes, some can pull it off.
• 25:35
  So this is what we did. So Ashley goes into AI
• 25:37
  because we're like, what would we look like?
• 25:39
  Right. And she did this. She created this AI
• 25:41
  image and it was like this perfectly woven gray
• 25:45
  and like the right spots. And I'm like, that
• 25:47
  is not going to happen. That is not what your
• 25:49
  hair is going to look like. Time will tell because
• 25:51
  I'm not coloring my hair. So give me 15 to 20
• 25:54
  years and then we'll see how far I get. Yeah.
• 25:57
  I'm concerned about this bang short hair thing,
• 25:59
  though. Like that's. Bangs are still in, right?
• 26:01
  Are bangs still a thing? They are, yeah. I mean,
• 26:04
  Taylor Swift has them, right? Yeah, a nice curtain
• 26:08
  bang. Taylor Swift has bangs right now? You know
• 26:10
  what? I think so. You can buy bangs, John, on
• 26:14
  Amazon. You can buy fake bangs. And so we got
• 26:17
  fake bangs and we put them on to see what we'd
• 26:19
  look like. You didn't look bad. I mean, you looked
• 26:22
  cute. But it's the short hair with the bangs
• 26:24
  I'm concerned about. Okay, all right. I'll send
• 26:27
  you photos. Again, you do you. I'll send you
• 26:28
  photos. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll lie and tell you
• 26:31
  no matter what, you look great. So don't worry.
• 26:33
  Yeah. I've always used my wife. My wife always
• 26:36
  hates when I when I've teased in the past, like,
• 26:38
  you know, with her bangs, because I've always
• 26:39
  thought of bangs as like a front facing comb
• 26:41
  over. But my fiance calls calls them devil's
• 26:46
  curtains. So sure. Devil's curtains. Yeah, yeah,
• 26:48
  yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember it was her
• 26:51
  or a friend of mine. Did you guys ever see that
• 26:54
  TikTok video where God, it was this. black woman
• 26:58
  who was just like, I got my bang, yank, yank,
• 27:00
  yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank. I have
• 27:02
  to find that now. I think it was a song in the
• 27:05
  background and she was like rocking her bangs,
• 27:07
  but it was just like, you know, yeah, it was
• 27:08
  just her being proud of her bangs. And the song
• 27:11
  in the background was, I got my bang, yank, yank,
• 27:13
  yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank,
• 27:15
  yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank,
• 27:15
  yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank,
• 27:18
  yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank,
• 27:18
  yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank, yank,
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• 28:17
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• 28:19
  of you on the delicious culture that I asked
• 28:21
  all my guests. Deanna, let's start with you.
• 28:23
  What's a delicious meal that you've had lately?
• 28:25
  All right. So I thought about this because I
• 28:28
  knew you're going to ask it. So we are in the
• 28:30
  Boston area. Yeah. This doesn't have to be something
• 28:33
  I cooked myself, right? Because, okay, that's
• 28:35
  not happening. But so we live in the Boston area
• 28:38
  and I went to the North End recently to this
• 28:40
  amazing restaurant and I got a dish called Polo
• 28:45
  Cardinal. And it was so good. So it was like
• 28:49
  chicken, prosciutto, mushrooms, mozzarella, marsala
• 28:54
  with this like magic potato. Like I don't even
• 28:57
  know what they did to it, but it was like on
• 28:59
  top of this like kind of crispy mandolin maybe
• 29:02
  potato. Like it was like one of the best things
• 29:04
  I've ever had. Where was it? You caught me with
• 29:07
  magic potato. I can't even describe it. It was
• 29:12
  literally a magic potato something or other,
• 29:14
  and it all mixed together, and it was literally
• 29:17
  heaven. And I never would normally order something
• 29:19
  like that at an Italian restaurant. I'd get,
• 29:21
  like, a red sauce or, right? Like, you get something
• 29:24
  more traditional, and I'm like, I'm going to
• 29:25
  do something different. Oh, it was so good. It
• 29:28
  was so good. Oh, my God. How about you, Ashley?
• 29:30
  And the wine hit. I also am not a cook. My poor
• 29:35
  family, like we get by. So this is a restaurant
• 29:38
  meal. So there's a place called J .M. Curley's.
• 29:41
  It's in downtown crossing. And I feel like meals
• 29:43
  for me are also about like the people that you're
• 29:45
  with. So my husband and I went out. It was the
• 29:48
  first time we've had a date night in a really
• 29:50
  long time. Life has been crazy. My mom was like.
• 29:53
  we'll take your son for the night, like go out
• 29:55
  and have fun. So we're like, okay. So we go to
• 29:57
  JM Curley's and we're just having such a nice
• 29:59
  time at our little like two person table. And
• 30:02
  I got this loaded Caesar salad, which doesn't
• 30:05
  sound very exciting when you just say it, but
• 30:07
  like it was so good. It was chopped and the romaine
• 30:11
  was so crisp and it had bacon and tomatoes and
• 30:14
  red onion and like just a nice, I love a Caesar
• 30:17
  salad with a crisp white wine and a French fry.
• 30:20
  And that's what it was. fancy Caesar salad. And
• 30:24
  I had a couple of French fries and a nice crisp
• 30:27
  wine and then an espresso martini at the end.
• 30:30
  And it was just a lovely little meal and a lovely
• 30:34
  little night. I feel like I've heard of the combination
• 30:36
  of salad and French fries not too often. What
• 30:40
  sensation does it give you? Is it just like,
• 30:42
  oh, here's greens and here's a little salty guilty
• 30:44
  pleasure? Yes, exactly. It's like girl dinner.
• 30:47
  It's a version of girl dinner. Restaurants will
• 30:50
  do this. It'll be like Wednesday night girl dinner,
• 30:53
  Caesar salad, fries, and then like a drink of
• 30:55
  your choice. So try it. It's just like, yes,
• 30:59
  the Caesar salad and the crispness of the greens
• 31:02
  and then the saltiness and like the hot French
• 31:04
  fry. It's just a magical combination. All right.
• 31:08
  So bouncing off of that. the girl dinners that
• 31:12
  you guys have around the house. Because that's
• 31:13
  what I've associated with. It's just like random
• 31:15
  snacks around the house that you would consider
• 31:16
  a meal. Cheese and crackers. Yeah. What's your
• 31:20
  perfect girl dinner around the house? Oh, like
• 31:22
  a little cheese and cracker. Maybe, I'm a hummus
• 31:26
  fan, so maybe like some carrots. Just, I love
• 31:29
  little, like little plates of, like. several
• 31:32
  things, right? Like if my perfect restaurant
• 31:34
  would be going and ordering like five, like a
• 31:36
  tapas restaurant, right? Like that's my dream.
• 31:39
  And so, and some wine and then maybe a couple
• 31:42
  of like Hershey nuggets at the end for my sweet.
• 31:46
  So it's just like little samples of different
• 31:49
  things and it fills you up and you feel like
• 31:52
  you're having, you know, a lot of stuff, but
• 31:54
  you're actually not. And the best is when you
• 31:57
  can scavenge it from your house because you're
• 31:58
  like, oh, I'm a hunter -gatherer and I scavenged
• 32:02
  this girl dinner plate together. What about you,
• 32:06
  Ashley? Your homegirl dinner? Anything different?
• 32:09
  No, it's pretty much the same. Cheese crackers,
• 32:12
  hummus. Like, I love a popcorn. So a little bit
• 32:15
  of popcorn there on the side. There has to be
• 32:17
  a sweet involved. So like some little piece of
• 32:19
  chocolate or something sweet at the end. But,
• 32:21
  yeah, it's really just, like, there's no wrong
• 32:23
  way to do girl dinner. There's no wrong way to
• 32:25
  do girl dinner. Yeah. Sometimes I'll do, like,
• 32:28
  deli meat, like, wrapped up with no bread. You
• 32:31
  know what I mean? Like, just a little taste.
• 32:34
  Right, right. I don't know what the male equivalent
• 32:37
  of it would be, a bachelor guy dinner or just
• 32:39
  boy dinner or whatever. Good question. A steak
• 32:42
  pizza. Just a steak with nothing. Yeah. Just
• 32:46
  one big, large, juicy steak. No, I was going
• 32:49
  to say, like, I recently had my wife add to the
• 32:52
  grocery list the cheese and crackers. And I don't
• 32:55
  know if this is like more of a millennial childhood
• 32:56
  thing or a genetic childhood thing, but the,
• 32:58
  you know, the cracker where you dip into the
• 33:00
  little cheese cup. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:03
  So one of those Ritz cheese and cracker dip things.
• 33:06
  That's one of the many snacks that I take on
• 33:08
  the road as a driver. But going off of the salty
• 33:12
  and sweet thing, lately what I've loved. is Orville
• 33:16
  Redenbacher's popcorn with ice cream, vanilla
• 33:20
  ice cream usually, but like with Ben and Jerry's
• 33:23
  also. Do you put the popcorn on top of it? No,
• 33:27
  no. It's separate. I'll have a cup of ice cream
• 33:30
  and I will have a big bowl that I will use for
• 33:34
  popcorn and I just love the salt and sweet mixture.
• 33:38
  That's guy dinner. I feel like that's a good
• 33:39
  guy dinner. Sure, sure. But I feel like that
• 33:42
  could be a perfect girl dinner. I wouldn't be
• 33:43
  surprised if a girl dinner had popcorn and ice
• 33:45
  cream involved. Absolutely. Most of the time,
• 33:48
  yes. Yes. How about a delicious pop culture obsession
• 33:51
  that each of you have? Anything you're watching,
• 33:53
  listening, or reading that you want to share
• 33:55
  with us? So right now I'm obsessed with, I don't
• 33:58
  know if you've heard the podcast Giggly Squad.
• 34:00
  I've heard a couple episodes. Yeah, they're really
• 34:02
  good. Paige DeSorbo and Hannah Berner, they just
• 34:05
  sold out four shows at Madison Square Garden.
• 34:08
  I heard. And they are the first female -hosted
• 34:10
  podcast to headline four consecutive nights.
• 34:12
  So congrats to our girls. We always say that
• 34:15
  we're like their cool older aunts. The aunties.
• 34:18
  We want to be the aunties. The format that they
• 34:21
  do is very similar to us, you know, just having
• 34:23
  a conversation. Yeah. So I'm just obsessed with
• 34:26
  that for them. And also, I was in the Ticketmaster
• 34:28
  Wars to get those tickets, and Deanna and I have
• 34:31
  successfully secured two tickets to one of the
• 34:34
  MSG shows. Nice. We will be there supporting
• 34:36
  our girls. February. February. Yeah. It's in
• 34:39
  the middle of February. So we're very excited.
• 34:42
  So excited. So excited. And I think they're one
• 34:45
  of the many podcasters signed up with SiriusXM.
• 34:47
  Yeah. They just got acquired by Sirius. Got a
• 34:49
  deal. $100 million deal. They're killing it.
• 34:52
  Yeah, they're killing it. And good for them.
• 34:54
  I think it was, was it Paige that was a great
• 34:57
  guest on Caleb Heron's podcast? So true. I know
• 35:00
  one of them appeared on Caleb Heron's podcast,
• 35:02
  but who's the comedian of the book? That's Hannah.
• 35:05
  Hannah. It was Hannah who appeared on the podcast.
• 35:07
  She follows our podcast, John. Oh, does she?
• 35:10
  On our Instagram. Yes, she does. How did that
• 35:13
  happen? We stalked her. For many days. Like politely.
• 35:18
  Politely. In a fun way. Politely. In the best
• 35:20
  way possible. Tagged her in videos that were
• 35:23
  specifically about her. And just asked her to
• 35:26
  follow us. And she did. And she's so sweet. We
• 35:28
  did a duck, duck burner campaign. Yeah. And she
• 35:30
  likes our stuff sometimes. It's very nice of
• 35:32
  her. We love her. So when. And I've had something
• 35:35
  like that happen to me before. Do you follow
• 35:37
  up and say, hey, thank you. And would love to
• 35:39
  have you on the podcast if you're interested.
• 35:41
  Like, do you do something like that? Or do you
• 35:42
  just kind of assume that she's too big to appear?
• 35:45
  I mean. Yes, to both questions. I mean, she's
• 35:47
  definitely too big to, you know, but we have
• 35:50
  sent a couple notes. We'll, you know, we'll keep
• 35:53
  trying in a creative way, but it's more because
• 35:56
  we just, like, love them. We really did model
• 35:59
  the podcast as it stands today in many ways off
• 36:02
  them, just a different generational angle to
• 36:05
  it because we're older. So, yeah. Yeah, they're
• 36:08
  both Gen Z, I think, right? Or young millennial,
• 36:12
  probably. Young millennials, I think. Okay, okay,
• 36:14
  okay. Mid -30s, early to mid -30s. So I've heard
• 36:18
  the term zillennial. Is that like Gen X millennial
• 36:21
  hybrid or is that millennial Gen Z hybrid? No,
• 36:24
  it's got to be like the cusp of Gen Z to millennial.
• 36:27
  Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're
• 36:29
  like born like 96, 97, 95, like the mid -90s,
• 36:32
  you're kind of like bordering on Gen Z, but also
• 36:34
  toward the tail end of the millennial era. You
• 36:37
  probably have some like vibes of both. You're
• 36:39
  not really clearly in one versus another because
• 36:41
  you're split across those two generations. A
• 36:45
  cusper. A cusper, if you will. Deanna, what about
• 36:47
  you? What's your pop culture obsession? I have
• 36:49
  a lot of them, and I'm super into audiobooks
• 36:54
  right now, but that's not as fun. So I'm obsessed
• 36:58
  with Traders right now. I don't know if you're
• 37:00
  watching Traders, New Blood, Everyday People.
• 37:01
  I've watched a couple episodes. Yeah, interesting
• 37:02
  show. Yeah, yeah. I love traitors. And I was
• 37:05
  a little worried about it because I really usually
• 37:07
  watch the celebrity traitors. But this has been
• 37:10
  pretty fascinating because you go in and you
• 37:12
  don't know any of these people. So you have no
• 37:15
  preconceived opinions or anything, right, of
• 37:18
  who they are. So you're kind of watching it blind,
• 37:20
  if you will, with everybody else. And it's been
• 37:23
  fun. It's been fun. So to my understanding, it's
• 37:26
  like sort of like a murder mystery -esque reality
• 37:30
  show kind of game. Did you say that it's traitors
• 37:33
  and celebrity traitors? I thought all the traitors
• 37:35
  universe was celebrities doing it, or no? It
• 37:37
  usually is. This season right now are regular
• 37:40
  people. Oh, okay, okay. And does that make it
• 37:43
  a lot more interesting than a celebrity traitor
• 37:45
  where, you know? I thought it was going to be
• 37:48
  less interesting, if I'm being honest, but I
• 37:50
  love celebrity traders so much. I'm like, I need
• 37:52
  to give it a chance, right? But I've been very
• 37:55
  surprised because when celebrity traders, you
• 37:57
  go in and, you know, like Lisa Rinna, for example,
• 37:59
  like, you know, Lisa Rinna and, you know, like
• 38:01
  you have preconceived notions. She's going to
• 38:03
  be loud. She's going to be, you know. Yeah. But
• 38:05
  with this version of celebrity or this version
• 38:08
  of traders, you don't know anybody. They're just
• 38:10
  all regular everyday people. And so are they
• 38:12
  lying? Are they not lying? You know, you don't
• 38:15
  know. And so it's been a different kind of fascinating
• 38:18
  to try to figure out all the dynamics. And it's
• 38:22
  been fun. It's been a lot of fun. I've been pleasantly
• 38:24
  surprised by it. Yeah. All right. Wonderful.
• 38:28
  And I know there's a U .K. and a U .S. version.
• 38:31
  Are you just strictly on the U .S. traders? I
• 38:33
  have to limit my reality TV because I have a
• 38:36
  lot of shows that I like. There's so many. Yeah,
• 38:38
  so many. So I'm just stricking to the U .S. Yeah,
• 38:43
  yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like my wife and I would
• 38:45
  enjoy The Traitors. I mean, right now, our reality
• 38:47
  TV thing, if we're going to do anything, it's
• 38:49
  going to be like Love is Blind, The Ultimatum,
• 38:51
  all those dating shows. Right now, because of
• 38:54
  me, you know, I feel bad. I feel like I'm restricting
• 38:57
  my wife here. But, like, we usually watch this
• 38:59
  stuff together. And I've had to take a break
• 39:02
  from reality TV because I'm just at this moment
• 39:04
  in time where I'm just like, oh, God, I don't
• 39:07
  have any, like, patience for really shallow people
• 39:10
  right now. TV, especially like a Love is Blind
• 39:13
  thing or whatever, that's the kind of thing where
• 39:15
  you just have to accept that it's going to be
• 39:17
  shallow and artificial and meaningless, and then
• 39:19
  you'll have fun with it. And I've had that with
• 39:21
  past seasons, but right now, I don't know. For
• 39:24
  some reason, I'm just like, ugh. So you're not
• 39:26
  watching the Love is Blind Boston? So, okay.
• 39:31
  I was going to ask another guest about this because
• 39:34
  she recapped it on her podcast, but since you
• 39:36
  guys are in the Boston area, should I check out
• 39:39
  Love is Blind Boston? Is it worth it? I looked
• 39:42
  at the profiles of the men on there, and I was
• 39:46
  like, are these people from Boston? Like, where
• 39:49
  are the real Boston people? Oh, they don't seem
• 39:51
  authentically Bostonian. There's a couple that
• 39:53
  do. Do they? Like, stereotypical Boston. Yeah,
• 39:56
  there are a couple. I judged some books by covers.
• 40:00
  They were generous with the Boston. Somebody
• 40:01
  lives in Connecticut. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:05
  But I didn't love the last one. I thought it
• 40:09
  was, like, a little... too much on the drama
• 40:11
  and whatever and I am enjoying this one like
• 40:14
  the next batch comes out tonight and I'm excited
• 40:17
  to watch it okay okay I have not watched it yet
• 40:20
  so what's it like when it's like when Love is
• 40:23
  Blind is in your backyard I mean do you guys
• 40:24
  know from like word of mouth that auditions are
• 40:28
  happening like was there did you know it just
• 40:30
  came as a surprise to you that it was in Boston
• 40:32
  honestly had no idea it was happening like a
• 40:35
  friend of a friend of a friend was like oh i
• 40:37
  know somebody who is going to be on love is blind
• 40:39
  boston and we're like what and then it was like
• 40:41
  all of a sudden it was being announced that this
• 40:42
  show is coming out so i don't know how they decided
• 40:45
  to like put feelers out for people because it
• 40:47
  didn't seem like it was very widely known around
• 40:49
  here so no and i keep waiting to see like if
• 40:53
  i recognize something and that hasn't happened
• 40:56
  yet But they just got to Boston. Yeah, I remember.
• 41:00
  I think I overheard one of my Uber and Lyft passengers
• 41:03
  say like, oh, man, I wish I could be one of those
• 41:05
  people that could say, oh, my God, that love
• 41:07
  is blinding intestine. I knew them from high
• 41:09
  school. Like, do you guys want to have that kind
• 41:11
  of thing? Or would you not because of, I don't
• 41:14
  know. Oh, I would totally love that. I'm way
• 41:16
  too old at this point, but I would love to know
• 41:19
  somebody. have some kind of connection or be
• 41:21
  able to have some kind of behind the scenes.
• 41:23
  Yeah. I feel like that would be so fascinating
• 41:25
  because then you'd get to see how that person
• 41:27
  actually acts on television versus how they are
• 41:30
  and how they position themselves. And I'm sure
• 41:32
  a lot of people are like authentically themselves,
• 41:34
  good or bad. And then I'm sure a lot of people
• 41:37
  are just like playing the game, which I agree
• 41:39
  with you. It's getting a little bit harder for
• 41:41
  some shows for me to get into it because I know
• 41:43
  they're playing the game. And they're not like
• 41:45
  really going on to just have the experience.
• 41:48
  I've limited my reality TV a little bit too.
• 41:51
  There's so many good Bravo shows. Yeah, we're
• 41:54
  obsessed with Bravo. Oh, yeah. Real Housewives,
• 41:57
  Below Deck, all that stuff. Oh, Below Deck. It
• 42:00
  is such good television. A 10 out of 10 show.
• 42:05
  I feel like out of the entire Bravoverse, maybe
• 42:08
  I'd be more into that show. Because I like reality
• 42:11
  shows about... about process. And I feel like
• 42:15
  that's like, it doesn't, it doesn't get into
• 42:16
  like the industry. Oh yeah. People that work
• 42:19
  on it. It just started only episode three, the
• 42:21
  new season. And what's nice about below deck
• 42:23
  is they are back to back to back. So like there's
• 42:25
  below deck, below deck, Mediterranean, below
• 42:27
  deck, sailing, whatever. Right. And so one just
• 42:29
  started. And so you should. You're not too far
• 42:32
  behind. So you should try it. And it's a good
• 42:34
  one. Yeah. And it is because you get to see like
• 42:36
  the inner workings of sort of the boat and like
• 42:39
  the underbelly, if you will, of like all the
• 42:41
  cast stuff. But then you still get all the guests
• 42:44
  and they're crazy. Like they know they're being
• 42:45
  filmed. Like the stuff that people do knowing
• 42:48
  they're being filmed is horrifying. Great. Horrifyingly
• 42:52
  great to watch, right? Have you guys been to
• 42:54
  one of those Bravo cons, the Bravo conventions
• 42:56
  with all the big passionate fans of the Bravo
• 42:59
  shows? Not yet, but they just announced that
• 43:01
  they're going back to Vegas. So this is, it sells
• 43:04
  out in like three seconds every single time.
• 43:06
  Yeah, we tried a couple years ago. We've been
• 43:07
  unsuccessful, but we have gone to see Brittany
• 43:10
  Cartwright and she came around to a show. She's
• 43:14
  from Vanderpump in the Valley. And who else did
• 43:18
  we see? Didn't we see somebody else too? We saw
• 43:21
  Brittany twice. Oh, my God. You saw Brittany
• 43:23
  twice. I saw Brittany twice. I only saw her once.
• 43:25
  I'm seeing Ariana Maddox in a couple weeks in
• 43:29
  a Broadway show. I cannot wait. I heard her on
• 43:33
  the Las Colterisas podcast. I listen to it regularly,
• 43:36
  and she made an appearance on there. So she's
• 43:38
  a Broadway star, but she's also the host of a
• 43:40
  reality show. Love Island. Love Island. But she
• 43:44
  came from Vanderpump. On Bravo. Was she in Vanderpump?
• 43:47
  Because I was trying to get context from her
• 43:49
  Las Colterisa's appearance, and I'm not familiar
• 43:51
  with the Vanderpump universe. Did you hear about
• 43:52
  Scandival? I have seen brief things of the headlines,
• 43:57
  but I didn't care enough to dive into it, so
• 43:59
  please give me everything. She was the jilted
• 44:01
  woman in Scandival. So she was with this guy.
• 44:04
  Explain it to me. Explain it to me. So, so Ariana
• 44:07
  and this guy, Tom Sandoval were together for
• 44:09
  like nine, 10 years and they were like a solid,
• 44:12
  solid couple on the show. And he, he cheated
• 44:16
  on her like right in the open, like during the
• 44:19
  season and everything with one of their best
• 44:21
  friends, this girl Raquel, uh, like to the point
• 44:24
  that like. She had her at the house. Like, she
• 44:27
  was, like, staying at their house. Like, it's
• 44:29
  not good. Not good. And so it all blew up and
• 44:32
  came out, and America hated Tom Sandoval and
• 44:36
  hated Raquel, and Ariana just took off. She took
• 44:41
  her opportunity. Yeah, and good for her, right?
• 44:44
  But she is so famous now, and it's basically
• 44:47
  because she was cheated on for, like, seven months.
• 44:49
  Wow. Well, hey, you know what? Using publicity
• 44:52
  for your benefit. I applaud her. That's wonderful.
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• 45:35
  happened in each of your lives lately? Deanna,
• 45:38
  you want to go first? Oh, you want me to go first?
• 45:40
  Sure. I'm planning a wedding. Yay! Tell me more
• 45:44
  about that. It's so weird to be 50 years old
• 45:47
  and planning a wedding. Like, it's kind of weird,
• 45:50
  but it is it more relaxing than, say, your younger
• 45:54
  self or maybe you're like overthinking it a lot
• 45:56
  more or one thousand percent. Plus, we're paying
• 45:59
  for it. Right. So, like, in many ways, it's we're
• 46:02
  going to do whatever we want to do. You know,
• 46:03
  we were I was talking to somebody the other day
• 46:05
  and and I had mentioned something. I probably
• 46:09
  shouldn't say this on the air, but I will that
• 46:10
  like we're talking about, like, you know, living
• 46:12
  together and how it works. And I'm like, I love
• 46:14
  having a couple nights to myself every week.
• 46:17
  I love my fiance. Don't get me wrong. And I love
• 46:19
  the other nights we spend and hang out and do
• 46:21
  whatever. But like, I like having my own time.
• 46:23
  And so somebody's like, you're not going to be
• 46:25
  like moving in 100 percent. And I'm like, I don't
• 46:28
  know. And I don't. I don't care what anybody
• 46:30
  thinks. Like I'm going to, we're going to do
• 46:31
  what works for us, right? Because it's complicated.
• 46:34
  He has kids, I have kids and finding a place
• 46:36
  that's going to make sense and blah, blah, blah,
• 46:37
  right? When they're in college. So it's nice
• 46:41
  to just not, we're going to do what we want,
• 46:43
  whether it's traditional, untraditional for the
• 46:45
  wedding, for our everyday life. And there is
• 46:48
  just sort of like a freedom to be at the stage
• 46:50
  and not care, right? What other people think.
• 46:54
  And so that's true for the wedding planning too.
• 46:57
  Like we're just going to, Big party. Going to
• 46:59
  have a lot of fun. And we're just going to make
• 47:01
  it what we want it to be. And hopefully everybody
• 47:04
  will have a good time. But it's weird planning
• 47:06
  a wedding. Has your fiance been married before
• 47:08
  as well? Yeah. Yeah. Second wedding for both.
• 47:11
  Second marriage for both. Wow. Okay. Okay. All
• 47:13
  right. Yeah. Very exciting. I love this for you
• 47:17
  that you just got to make any decisions you want
• 47:19
  to. And it's not like. oh, my parents are paying
• 47:22
  for this. So they feel like they've got a bigger
• 47:24
  obligation. Right. Well, and like, so one of
• 47:27
  the things I didn't love about my first wedding
• 47:29
  was I didn't, I didn't love sort of how I looked
• 47:32
  in my wedding dress. And like, I just, I didn't.
• 47:35
  It was beautiful. It was nice. But it just wasn't
• 47:38
  the experience I wanted. So this time around,
• 47:40
  I did, like, the whole thing. I had my girls.
• 47:43
  We went to the bridal boutique. We had, like,
• 47:46
  one of my friends brought, what did she bring?
• 47:48
  Like, three different versions of, like, bellinis
• 47:50
  or mimosas or whatever. Yeah, hand -squeezed
• 47:52
  juices. Yeah, like, God love her. I didn't ask
• 47:55
  for that. Not a bridezilla. But I said, just
• 47:57
  bring alcohol. And so, like, I was able to do
• 48:00
  that. And everybody had the sign. And it was
• 48:01
  like, say yes to the dress, say no to the dress,
• 48:03
  right? As you can imagine, Ashley. said yes to
• 48:05
  every dress because she's sweet and nice. I said
• 48:08
  no to one. Oh wait, you did say no to one. That's
• 48:10
  true. That's true. So like I got, like I'm getting
• 48:12
  to kind of like redo certain parts of the experience
• 48:16
  that maybe I wish I had done differently the
• 48:19
  first time. I get to do it now, which is really
• 48:22
  cool. What was the dress we said no to? There
• 48:24
  was just one that it didn't flatter her body
• 48:27
  and it just looked like. My daughter said she's
• 48:30
  like, it looks cheap. Yeah, it just didn't like
• 48:32
  it was like it was beautiful, but there's something
• 48:34
  wrong about it, especially amongst all the other
• 48:37
  dresses that I mean, she looked great in all
• 48:39
  of them. It's so hard to pick one. Yeah, you
• 48:41
  picked the best one. Oh, lovely. I'm excited.
• 48:45
  What about you, Ashley? So my little life moment
• 48:48
  recently that's just been so delicious is a bunch
• 48:52
  of us moms have started a Mahjong mom group.
• 48:55
  And we are just every week rotating houses and
• 48:58
  going to play Mahjong together. And it has been
• 49:00
  so nice to just have a group of moms, a couple
• 49:04
  hours of time, like chatting, learning a new
• 49:07
  game and just like ladies that I didn't know
• 49:10
  before. And now we're kind of creating this little
• 49:13
  community and it's very adorable and wholesome
• 49:16
  and fun. And I just love it right now. I'm not
• 49:18
  familiar with the game. How does it work? So
• 49:20
  it's like a it's a game. It's like all these
• 49:22
  different tiles and you have to make different
• 49:25
  patterns and combinations of things. So it is
• 49:28
  there's an American version and then there's
• 49:30
  the original version. If you look it up, look
• 49:33
  up Mahjong and there's like a million different
• 49:35
  like your algorithm will start to go crazy with
• 49:37
  all of the things that will get served to you.
• 49:39
  Yeah. But you're like basically trading tiles
• 49:42
  and it's very like routined and processed and
• 49:46
  like. the tiles click and there's a tactileness
• 49:49
  to it. And it's just like so calming and lovely.
• 49:53
  And then you're in a room with all these women
• 49:54
  and you're talking and you're having fun. You're
• 49:56
  having a glass of wine and everyone's bringing
• 49:58
  a little snack. And it's just such a nice little
• 50:00
  time. So I have been very thrilled about this
• 50:02
  because like Deanna said, I'm an eight -year
• 50:04
  -old. Like all of the women that I'm around right
• 50:07
  now have young kids. We're in the thick of it.
• 50:09
  We're running from sport to sport to this to
• 50:11
  that. And to just have like one night a week
• 50:14
  where we don't have to worry about any of that
• 50:16
  and you just have some fun together has been
• 50:18
  so nice. Wonderful. I'm glad you found that community.
• 50:21
  I'm glad that both of you appeared on this podcast.
• 50:24
  You were such a great way to talk to. Oh, my
• 50:27
  goodness gracious. And please take the opportunity
• 50:31
  right now to plug everything. Where can people
• 50:33
  find your podcast? Where they can follow you
• 50:35
  on socials, etc. Oh, absolutely. So we are Ducks
• 50:38
  Unplugged. You can follow us on our YouTube at
• 50:41
  Ducks Unplugged. We post all of our videos and
• 50:44
  all of our content there. And it really is worth
• 50:47
  the watch because some of the things that we
• 50:49
  get into and I laugh, cry a lot and make a fool
• 50:52
  out of myself. So you'll want to watch there.
• 50:54
  Our Instagram handle is also at Ducks Unplugged.
• 50:57
  We keep it very simple for everyone. That's where
• 50:59
  you'll find more of the behind the scenes, some
• 51:01
  of the crazy content that I make Deanna film.
• 51:04
  Seriously. If you're interested in the origin
• 51:07
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• 51:11
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• 51:13
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• 51:17
  The podcast is a whole other job and labor of
• 51:21
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