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Into The Weeds KallMeKris Joins the Gypverse · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Hi, welcome to Into the Weeds podcast here on Military
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  Broadcast Radio. I'm Alora and Amber is currently
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  out here because she's actually out of state.
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  She is helping celebrate my cousin because he just graduated
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  from basic training at Fort Sill in Oklahoma.
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  So a big shout out to Phoenix. I know he would hate me if he
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  knew that I said his name, but his face is already on the
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  community tabs. So everybody just go ahead and
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  give that a like and send good vibes Phoenix's way.
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  So anyway, thank you all for joining me here tonight.
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  I do have a special guest. It's.
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  Probably not a special guest, you guys are all thinking.
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  But anyway, I'm super excited to have her on.
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  So basically the other day there's a really big channel.
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  Her name is Call Me Chris. She's actually married to
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  Umbaville. His name is Caleb.
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  And she did a video on Gypsy Rose a couple of days ago and
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  she got a lot of comments basically kind of telling her to
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  check out the FOIA's. So she deleted the video
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  actually. And, you know, did a little
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  community post and she said that she's going to be looking into
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  some of the FOIA's. So I just figured that I would
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  react to her video, or at least as much of her video as I could
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  find on the Internet and just kind of do a little bit of a
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  commentary. So today we have 1980 millennial
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  commentates joining us. Thank you for coming on in.
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  Hey, Laura, thank you for having me.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  So I'm going to operate tonight as if nobody has ever seen our
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  channel because I feel like this might draw on a couple of new
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  viewers. So, millennial, would you mind
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  kind of telling everybody why you started looking into the
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  Gypsy Rose case? Sure.
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  I am from southwest Missouri. I lived in Aurora, MO at the
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  same time as Dee Dee and Gypsy Rose Blanchard whenever they
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  were there after Hurricane Katrina, before they got the
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  Pink House in Springfield, MO. I'd never met them personally
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  myself. I did have friends and family
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  who knew them and obviously because they did so many, so
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  much media and fundraisers and things like that, I saw their
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  stuff being shared around in real time.
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  After the murder I pretty much quit thinking about her until
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  she got released from prison and my initial thought was I know.
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  I hope she does good, whatever. And then she immediately started
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  wanting to meet Taylor Swift, went on a podcast and said I
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  don't even identify as a murderer and all this stuff.
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  And it made me really start wanting to dig into who is this
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  person and should she even be out because she definitely
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  shouldn't be an influencer. I mean, that is a fairpoint.
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  The way that I got introduced to Gypsy was via the act as a lot
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  of people. I watched it, I enjoyed it as
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  much as you can enjoy ATV show like that, you know, very sad,
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  very sad stuff that it depicted. So yeah, I watched that with an
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  ex-boyfriend of mine. We, you know, we're super
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  supportive of Gypsy and whenever she decided or not when she
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  decided, but whenever she got to the point where she was about to
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  be released from prison, I started talking to my mom about
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  it and to everybody who's a normal viewer, you will know I
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  am not the host of Into the Weeds podcast.
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  It's actually Amber, my mother, and our cousin Shelly.
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  She goes by Shelly, at least to us, but I believe you might find
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  something on our channel that says Audra.
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  I think her name is, that's her name.
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  I'm sorry. I, I don't actually, I don't
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  even know if I've ever actually physically met Shelly other than
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  when I was a baby. So anyway, Shelly got arrested
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  for a drug charge, unfortunately a couple of years ago and she
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  was actually in prison with Gypsy for a little bit of time.
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  She didn't get to know Gypsy personally, but she knows some
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  people that did. And her and my mom, they have a
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  little Bible study that they do over the phone and they started
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  praying for Gypsy. And then my mom started to see a
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  couple of red flags. She ended up discovering fancy.
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  She watched a couple of her videos and just a lot of
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  different things happened that led us here today.
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  But we realized that we probably weren't going to get all of the
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  information from elsewhere. So she just decided to file a
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  bunch of FOIA requests. And so pretty much the Gypstein
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  files, that's, as it's been dubbed by other people on the
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  Internet, kind of is from her. So she's not able to be here
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  today. As I stated before, she's in
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  Oklahoma at the moment. But yeah, so that's why I'm
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  here. And we're just excited to dive
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  into this. And, you know, mad props to to
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  call me Chris for deleting her video when she realized that she
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  might have been missing some information.
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  I know a lot of people don't really do that.
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  Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Yeah. That was really, really cool to
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  see. And and we're not even doing
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  this reaction to like, you know, call her out or dog her out or
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  anything. What we're want to do is because
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  she did take the video down and she's going to look into more
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  stuff we want to go through and help her.
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  Let's correct some things for. Maybe she'll see this.
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  Absolutely. So let's keep it kind in the
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  comments. I don't think that she had any
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  malicious intent. A lot of times if you're not
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  super, super deep diving into everything, you're not going to
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  see a lot of the stuff. There's a lot of people that I
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  interact with, you know, on a day-to-day basis that might have
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  heard about Gypsy Rose, but they've just heard the normal
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  story. So I think that for what it was,
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  her video was a good video if you didn't know anything that's
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  come out in the last two years. Yeah, I mean, I can't, you know,
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  be too hard on her for only looking at mainstream media
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  sources. That's what most people do.
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  But yeah, I'm really glad that she was willing to take a second
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  look and do more research into the FOIA stuff.
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  Absolutely. So Chris, if you happen to be
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  watching, I hope that some of this can be a lot at least a
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  little bit informative. I think my mom might have
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  messaged you on Tiktok but she. Has a lot of followers, so I
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  don't. Necessarily expect her to see
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  it, but if you have any questions or concerns or you
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  want any specific documents or videos or anything sent to you,
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  then just go ahead and reach out.
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  I think that our podcast e-mail is in somewhere on our channel.
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  I want to say it's Into the Weeds podcast at MB Radio dot
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  US, but I don't want to lie to you.
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  I'm not our radio MBRB radio, you're right, MB radio dot.
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  Com. So anyway, yeah, we are all, we
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  are also representing military broadcast radio.
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  Again, I'm operating this podcast like nobody has ever
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  seen us before. I am not personally a veteran.
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  My mother is a veteran. Again, she's not here.
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  But most of the people that I love, that I interact with are
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  veterans. So, you know, I'm just here to
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  support them. So anyway there was a channel on
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  YouTube that had this re uploaded and Millie told me he
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  told me to download it and I was like OK I got this and then I
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  got lazy. I didn't feel that great that
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  night so I didn't do it. The next morning I got up after
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  work or I went on break at work and I started to make a
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  thumbnail and then I realized within the last like 30 minutes
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  it had already been deleted and I was like that sucks.
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  So Millie being the awesome person that she is, thank you.
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  She found a TikTok account that at least has a good portion of
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  this all recorded. Let's see.
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  Let me get to the very first part of it.
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  So, OK, Are you ready to just go ahead and jump on it?
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  Yeah, let's do it. OK, so I'm going to show this to
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  the screen and real quick, I'm just gonna go through the
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  comments just a little bit because I haven't been paying
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  any attention. So thank you everybody for
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  joining us. I see Jules with true crime,
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  true crime and chill crew. New Orleans Lady Ivana, thank
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  you for coming. Again, Maria's only hens.
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  I like it. We'll go to oldie hens.
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  Sammy McComb into the weeds. Awesome people in the chat.
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  Yes, absolutely tempered iron, which y'all should go watch him.
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  We got Joy. Hey Joy.
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  So you might have to moderate a little bit tonight.
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  Maybe not. We try not to silence anybody,
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  but we want to be very respectful towards Chris.
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  She did her best with this. None of this is personal.
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  She did the mainstream media sources.
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  Let's not holler out or anything.
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  I think she understands the error of what went on here.
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  So there's some more people. Sorry that I have not said hi to
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  everybody, but I'm just going to go ahead and jump in because I'm
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  losing my place in the comments, OK?
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  So I'm going to press play and occasionally I will stop.
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  If you see something that sticks out to you, holler at me and
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  I'll stop it and we'll talk about it, OK?
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  Sounds good. OK, cool.
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  Immediately and you see actual appointment openings and Click
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  to instantly book and visit. So there's no phone calls, no
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  see. So let's start in the bayous of
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  southern Louisiana, to a small community in Lafourche Parish
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  called Shack Bay, where a little girl lived named Claudie, Petra
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  and Claudie. I do have to say it is Petrie.
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  Yeah. You know, she's such a big.
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  Channel. I wonder if she has researchers,
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  but yeah, it's it's Claudine Petrie.
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  You might have researchers. Claudine.
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  I pronounce things wrong too. It happens.
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  Yeah, no worries. But anyway, let's move on.
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  Was born on May 3rd, 1967 to Emma and Claude Petra and she
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  would go by many names over the years.
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  To family she was Claudine, but to friends and to eventually the
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  world, she would become Dee Dee. Now, those who knew her growing
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  up describe a girl who always had to be the center of
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  attention, the little Princess, if you will.
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  And relatives would later say that when something happened to
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  somebody else, anything good or bad, Dee Dee usually found a way
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  to make it about her. We all know somebody like this
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  in our life, right? You can't tell somebody a story.
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  You know, I do have to say though, I like the little her
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  and her husband both do this where they like they do a video
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  and they have like 2 cameras and then occasionally they turn to
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  the other camera. I kind of think that's a vibe a
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  little bit. Yeah, that's that's some.
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  They definitely have top notch editing.
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  No, absolutely. I'm trying to like pause every
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  so often just for like, oh, Oats just jumped out.
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  Definitely say hello to the chat, Oats, you're on my wire.
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  But we should. Probably thank the the Tik Toker
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  Ivy Rose 58 for getting this screen grab like.
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  Yes, thank you so much. Ivy Rose feels like there's a
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  lot of Ivy, roses and ivory. Roses around your.
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  Using this one I had not seen before but it seems like she
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  uploads gypsy content and stuff as well.
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  So cool. OK, we're going to get back into
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  it. Without them being like, well I
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  lost something once. And they also described a girl
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  pretty prone to petty theft and small manipulations.
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  Not a hardened criminal, but someone who seemed to operate
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  outside the usual social rules. Someone who felt entitled to
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  what she wanted and got creative about how she got it.
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  And that pattern did not fade with age and as an adult.
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  I gotcha. What's she talking about with
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  petty theft? As a girl I only remember Dee
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  Dee having the bad check charges and then her and Gypsy got
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  caught stealing at the Hobby Lobby.
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  Yeah, that's all that I know of on paper.
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  I can't remember her friends or family mentioning petty theft,
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  but maybe I. I feel like I've forgotten more
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  about this than most people will ever intake so.
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  That is a fairpoint. That's why I'm so glad to have
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  you on here because just trying to tackle all the points myself
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  is insane. New Orleans lady in the comments
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  said that that's all that she knows of too.
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  She lived around eating. Yeah, New Orleans lady knew Dee
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  Dee a little bit back in the day.
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  So yeah, that's all that I've heard of as far as petty theft
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  is concerned. I do know that a couple of
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  months ago privately, my mom and I had an interview where we
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  spoke with somebody that she was friends with as more of a
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  teenager, young adult than as a child.
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  And she did describe some controlling or maybe self
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  absorbed behaviors, but I can't recall, at least off the top of
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  my head, anything that was related to petty theft or
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  anything so. She made it sound like they're
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  like, that was widespread and known, and I just don't remember
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  hearing that. So yeah, I thought that was a
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  good one to stop and maybe correct or find out if she sees
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  this, Maybe she can let us know where she got that information.
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  Yeah, absolutely. To me, it felt like it was just
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  kind of a generalization. Sometimes I do the same thing.
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  But yeah. But yeah, I don't think I've
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  ever heard of any kind of petty theft unrelated.
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  Other than after Gypsy was doing it with her, yeah.
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  Yes. And I like you said, there's,
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  there's so much information to take in.
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  I remember like bits and pieces of some small things, but I'm
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  not great with like being like, yes, this is exactly what I
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  know. And this is exactly where I got
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  it. Like, I know it's in the FOIA
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  somewhere, but there's so much of even the Foyas, and then
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  there's Foyas and then there's prison emails and Oh my
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  goodness, it's just, I don't even know.
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  You know, Chris, if you're watching this, maybe you are,
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  maybe you aren't, but you have a lot to go through.
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  It's really difficult. Even as somebody who's been
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  following this for years and has been pretty involved for about
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  two years, a little over 2 years, I still don't feel like I
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  could make like myself, at least without help.
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  I don't feel like I can make a really great video that just
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  covers all of the points. It's hard to remember it all,
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  like you almost need a team because like, yeah, it just
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  requires more than one pair of eyes and one mind, Dragon
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  Approved said in the comments. It shows integrity that she took
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  it down to say, hey, wait, let me look around and come back to
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  this and definitely, definitely. Absolutely.
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  I totally agree. And again, big shout out to
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  Chris for being able to take that because I know that it
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  takes a lot of effort and time to be able to make these videos.
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  And I'm sure that she probably has her own editor that she
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  probably paid to make this. So she is operating at a loss
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  because she would have made, you know, however much money she
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  would have made from it being live.
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  And I think she only had it up for maybe two or three hours.
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  She deleted it pretty soon because I was at work.
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  I listened to 5/10/15 minutes of it and then I shut it off and
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  when I tried to go look at it again it was gone.
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  So I don't think it was, yeah. Also, definitely it was good on
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  her to actually take the time to take it down and look deeper.
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  Oh, thank you so much to just oh, I feel so stupid.
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  Just a Latif for you. Thank you so much and thank you
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  so much. 1970. I wonder who you are.
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  That's my husband for anyone new.
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  Yeah, When 1980 came in, I was like, is that 1970 Gen.
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  Xer moderates? I was like, no, that's too
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  pretty to be so are we going to start it again?
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  Just see what she has to be OK? Cool DD racked up a documented
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  history of financial schemes, including arrests for writing
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  bad checks and some of them, according to family, stolen from
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  her own relatives DDD. Is that ever like confirmed it
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  was stolen from a relative's? I don't recall.
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  I don't remember hearing that now.
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  The some of her, one of her brothers and sisters said that
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  after, I think it was after her mom died, they said that Dee Dee
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  took out credit cards in their name and ran them up.
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  I've never seen documentation of that.
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  That's just things people have said.
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  So a lot of the things, you know, we've been able to find
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  documentation for, such as the bad checks in Louisiana and
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  different things like that. We have found documentation for
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  things where Didi did have problems here and there.
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  But yeah, some of the stories are just stories.
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  No one. We've never been able to find
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  anything to back that up. And I don't mean this as any
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  disrespect to her family, but it doesn't seem like her family
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  really liked her too much and I don't know what that's for.
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  Yeah, and they change their stories about her a lot.
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  They will be defending her name one day and then running it down
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  the next and talking about how awful she was.
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  So just is what it is, as Ryan would say.
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  Like I don't know how reliable they are.
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  Yeah. No, that's a fairpoint.
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  OK, let's get back into. It give a fuck.
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  But one detail from Dee Dee's childhood stands out above all
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  the others. And as a girl, Dee Dee had a
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  heart murmur, a common, usually minor condition.
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  But her mother, Emma, responded by shielding Dee Dee from the
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  world. And if you know anything about
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  this entire case, this may sound familiar, but she was known for
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  keeping her home, keeping her close, and treating her as the
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  sick child. So Dee Dee learned something
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  from that experience. And what she learned is what
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  does and how it draws people in and how it opens wallets and
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  softens hearts, and how being sick or caring for the sick
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  earns a kind of attention that nothing else can.
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  So as a young woman, Dee Dee trained as a nurse's aide.
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  And on paper, that was like a pretty practical career too.
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  But in practice it. What was what confirmed?
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  What exact kind of training she got?
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  I didn't think it was nurse's aide, but I could be
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  misremembering that part. When I heard that part of the
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  video, it did raise a flag to me where I was like, I don't recall
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  that, but. Yeah, there was some sort of
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  training and I think she did do work at a hospital.
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  New Orleans lady, if you're in the comments, can you shed some
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  light for us maybe? But I I didn't think it was
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  Nurses 8. I thought that was eventually
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  corrected. But like I said, I might just be
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  misremembering. So if you want to go on ahead
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  and I'll watch the comments, we can.
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  Thank you so much. You 2 made me write the long
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  username. Oh you know what?
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  That's fair. You're going to have a little
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  bit of something so they can differentiate you from everybody
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  else. So again, thank you so much.
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  Wasn't a nurse RNA? Yeah, I'm not sure.
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  I'm not sure. So we're and, you know, I also
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  want to make this very clear. There's some things that we're
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  going to talk about. We don't know for a fact.
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  And no matter what, we can read documents and we can think
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  something. But there's his side, her side,
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  and the truth, and it's somewhere in the middle there.
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  I feel like there has to be at least a nugget or two of truth
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  in this story because the best liars draw from a little bit of
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  truth. So I don't want to pretend like
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  I know the whole story whatsoever.
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  We're just trying to shed as much light on and misinformation
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  as we can, clarify what we can, I feel like, So I'm going to
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  press. Just gave her three things, the
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  language of medicine, you know, symptoms, treatments and
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  terminology and access to medical settings and an
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  understanding of how hospitals actually worked and credibility
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  because that trust that people naturally extend to someone who
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  cares for patients. People just like if you're a
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  nurse, a nurse isn't going to like Brush.
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  I don't feel, I don't know that it really give her that much
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  credibility because we've all seen most likely, you know,
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  anyone who's been in this case for a while, Dee Dee's list of
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  gypsies conditions, everything was misspelled.
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  I mean, it didn't read like someone who had actually worked
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  in a hospital and had to be familiar with writing down those
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  sorts of things, you know? No, that's a fairpoint.
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  And if it gave her credibility and her deception worked as well
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  as Mike Stanfield and Gypsy Rose Blanchard has convinced everyone
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  it did. They had not been in Springfield
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  one year before a doctor was sending DFS out to that house.
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  And the reason why they left is because they realized Gypsy was
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  over 18. They didn't have jurisdiction
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  over and because she chose to act malingering herself, whether
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  it was by, you know, teaching or whatever, she chose to act in a
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  way that caused them to notate that she appeared to be
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  obviously mentally disabled. So yeah, anyway, I'm just, I had
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  to stop and I have a little ramble there, sorry.
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  For. Sure, you're good.
• 23:11
  I appreciate your commentary. Suicide me like, oh, you don't
• 23:14
  know anything. I mean, you're a nurse, right?
• 23:16
  And now, before we go any further, this is important to
• 23:19
  note and that what you're about to hear are allegations, claims
• 23:22
  made by Dee Dee's own family, mostly after her death.
• 23:26
  And she was never actually charged with any of it.
• 23:29
  And it can no longer be proven. So take everything with a grain
• 23:31
  of salt, all right? But her relatives insist the
• 23:34
  warning signs were there all along.
• 23:37
  Now, in 1997, when Didi's mother, Emma, became gravely ill
• 23:40
  and Didi naturally stepped into the role of caregiver, the
• 23:44
  devoted daughter at the bedside, you know, And Emma would die
• 23:48
  later that year. And some of the family members
• 23:51
  would later claim they believed Didi played a role in her
• 23:54
  decline and that under Didi's care, Emma seemed to get worse
• 23:59
  and worse and not any better. And her stepmother, Laura Petra,
• 24:02
  went even further. And she alleged that Didi tried
• 24:05
  to poison her with weed killer through an episode, she claimed.
• 24:10
  So has that claim ever been substantiated?
• 24:13
  Is that something? I mean, I've heard it, but have
• 24:16
  I ever heard that that's actually true?
• 24:20
  So that was a thing that Christy Blanchard said.
• 24:27
  Now in your mom's FOIA's, there was a police interview where I
• 24:37
  think it was Laura Claw's wife started.
• 24:43
  It was so weird. They called to tell them that
• 24:45
  they let Didi was they found her body, you know, that she was
• 24:49
  dead. And I if I remember right, Laura
• 24:53
  started going off about how Didi had poisoned a cactus.
• 24:59
  And Gypsy said I saw Mama putting the spray and in the
• 25:04
  food or something like that. But I don't.
• 25:07
  I don't remember if it would if they were talking about Emma or
• 25:11
  if they were talking about trying to accuse her of another
• 25:15
  time. But it was all every rumor that
• 25:20
  I've been able to track down about that didn't seem to
• 25:24
  surface until after the murder. Interesting.
• 25:28
  And it almost sounds like, and as you're saying that I'm
• 25:31
  starting to kind of remember again, there's so much, y'all.
• 25:35
  There's so much. It's hard to remember every bit.
• 25:38
  But I'll remember little pieces of things, and I feel like I
• 25:43
  remember that most of this stuff seems like it kind of came from
• 25:47
  Gypsy, too. Yeah, what was really, really
• 25:51
  strange, whenever I was listening to that phone call,
• 25:55
  the recording, it sounded like Laura and Claude were going off
• 26:03
  running Dee Dee down the road in front of Gypsy without Dee Dee
• 26:07
  around. And as a child, trying to please
• 26:11
  that Gypsy, like, tried to think of something else to say about
• 26:14
  Dee Dee. That's just my pure speculation.
• 26:17
  That's just the feeling that I got.
• 26:19
  Listen to that and which doesn't mean anything.
• 26:22
  Not a trained person and human behavior.
• 26:25
  It's just the feeling I got, you know?
• 26:28
  Yeah, totally. I totally get it.
• 26:30
  But yeah, I don't think that, for the record, I don't think
• 26:34
  that any of these claims about Dee Dee harming her mother have
• 26:38
  ever produced any evidence other than people that already seem to
• 26:45
  either not like her or have a reason to talk crap about her.
• 26:49
  You know, it doesn't seem like this really comes from anywhere
• 26:52
  but that. But again, I'm not trying to say
• 26:54
  that nothing ever happened because again, nobody, nobody
• 26:57
  really knows. Anything could have happened.
• 26:59
  But in my personal opinion, I don't believe that.
• 27:06
  I don't believe that Dee Dee had anything to do with the death of
• 27:08
  her mother. I could be proven wrong, but I,
• 27:13
  you know, from all the evidence I've seen, it doesn't seem to be
• 27:16
  substantiated by any evidence. So.
• 27:21
  OK. James left her bedridden for
• 27:23
  months now again. This notice means nothing for.
• 27:27
  And. I think I was at like 3 minutes
• 27:30
  and something. We're going to start here.
• 27:35
  Oopsie guys my bad. Some of the.
• 27:36
  Family members would later claim they believed Dee Dee played a
• 27:40
  role in her decline and that under Dee Dee's care, Emma
• 27:43
  seemed to get worse and worse and not any better.
• 27:47
  And her stepmother? I'm going to pee real quick and
• 27:49
  I'm going to let this keep going.
• 27:50
  So when I come back, if there's something you want me to pause
• 27:53
  and talk about, then we'll go ahead and do that.
• 27:55
  Sorry, all I had before I got before I got.
• 27:58
  On. Mother Laura Petra went even
• 28:01
  further and she alleged that Dee Dee tried to poison her with
• 28:04
  weed killer after an episode she claims left her bedridden for
• 28:08
  months. Now, again, these are
• 28:10
  allegations, but, you know, with the history we're about to go
• 28:15
  over, I'm not going to put it faster, to be honest.
• 28:17
  And years later, when the full story of Dee Dee Blanchard
• 28:20
  finally came out, her family didn't react with disbelief.
• 28:24
  So that says something, too. They just kind of reacted with
• 28:27
  recognition. So in the middle of 1990, Dee
• 28:30
  Dee, now 23 years old, met a young man at a bowling alley,
• 28:34
  and his name was Rod Blanchard. Now, Rod was 17.
• 28:38
  And the relationship started to move pretty fast, pretty
• 28:41
  quickly. And within months, Dee Dee was
• 28:43
  pregnant. And before the year was out, the
• 28:45
  two were married. And Rod would later admit he was
• 28:48
  in over his head almost immediately because, I mean, he
• 28:51
  was just a teenager. And by his own account, the
• 28:53
  wedding happened not because he was in love, but because it felt
• 28:57
  like the right thing to do. And unfortunately, it wouldn't
• 29:00
  last. And Rod said that he woke up on
• 29:03
  his 18th birthday, took stock of his life and realized the truth,
• 29:06
  that he didn't love her. And he left before the baby was
• 29:09
  even born. Now, on July 27th, 1991, he gave
• 29:13
  birth to a daughter and she was 24 years old, newly separated
• 29:18
  and now a single mother. And the baby's name was a
• 29:21
  compromise of sort. OK.
• 29:23
  Was there anything that was worth mentioning or commentating
• 29:26
  on? She not really, other than the
• 29:30
  fact that she said, you know, based on what we're about to go
• 29:33
  over about Didi wouldn't put killing her mother past her,
• 29:37
  which, you know, given what we all know from the FOIA, seems
• 29:41
  wildly harsh. Yeah, no, that's a fairpoint.
• 29:44
  I would agree with that sentiment.
• 29:48
  Yeah. I mean, Didi had issues.
• 29:53
  I don't want to pretend like that wasn't true.
• 29:55
  She probably had some mental health issues.
• 29:58
  And I personally believe personally that there was
• 30:02
  probably a toxic element in the relationship between her and
• 30:06
  Gypsy in some regard, and I don't know what that extends to.
• 30:13
  And she did have an incident with the pizza man, which, you
• 30:18
  know, we were actually talking about that earlier today, you
• 30:20
  and I. So again, Chris's husband, his
• 30:24
  name is Caleb, but he has a channel called Umbaville.
• 30:27
  And I was watching one of his videos that he did about Gypsy
• 30:30
  Rose about two years ago, and he actually mentioned the pizza
• 30:34
  incident, which I hadn't heard anybody else mention other than
• 30:40
  when we first mentioned it because of the Foyas and stuff
• 30:42
  like that. You said that it looked like it
• 30:44
  was an article I was only half paying.
• 30:46
  Attention. Yeah, he he got it from a news
• 30:48
  article. And that's understandable
• 30:51
  because after Gypsy got out and things got so feverish for the
• 30:56
  information in the true crime community, a lot of places
• 31:00
  started putting their stuff behind pay walls.
• 31:03
  That wasn't before, because all of a sudden it was more
• 31:05
  valuable. Gotcha.
• 31:07
  But you know, to anybody who doesn't know, there was an
• 31:11
  incident where, at least according to the police reports,
• 31:16
  Dede had a pizza man come to her door and she tried to pay him
• 31:21
  off with coupons, if I remember correctly.
• 31:24
  A gift certificate for a franchise that was not this
• 31:28
  specific franchise. They couldn't accept it.
• 31:31
  Gotcha. OK, so imagine that it's
• 31:33
  Domino's, but the pizza coupon was for Pizza Hut.
• 31:36
  Something along those lines. OK, so she, and again, that's
• 31:41
  not specifically, it's not specifically that, but anyway,
• 31:45
  so she did she ordered this pizza and to try to give him
• 31:52
  these gift certificates and he wouldn't accept them.
• 31:56
  So according to police reports, she, I guess, kind of choked him
• 32:00
  out and. So she it says she grabbed him
• 32:04
  by the collar and tried to like, yank it by the shirt collar and
• 32:08
  left a scratch mark on his neck. And he said they'd had previous
• 32:12
  incidents with her and that's why he wanted they wanted it
• 32:16
  documented on a police report so that they could prove to their
• 32:19
  management that why they needed to stop delivering to her
• 32:23
  address. Wow, and I wasn't trying to over
• 32:27
  sensationalize it y'all. I just, there's so much
• 32:29
  information and I have a bad memory so sometimes I'll get
• 32:33
  like pieces of things and I remember.
• 32:35
  But yeah, it seems like she grabbed a shirt collar and that
• 32:39
  this is something that did happen, or at least it was
• 32:42
  recorded as happening. Who knows every little detail
• 32:45
  that was about it. But they decide not to press
• 32:48
  charges, so that's worth anything.
• 32:55
  I don't know. OK.
• 32:57
  Is it OK if I press play or is there anything else?
• 32:59
  Yep, I'm good. Cool, cool, cool.
• 33:01
  Dee Dee simply liked the name Gypsy, and Rod was a fan of the
• 33:05
  band Guns and Roses. So Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
• 33:10
  Yeah, makes sense. And the story Dee Dee would tell
• 33:12
  about Rod for the next two decades was very different from
• 33:16
  the truth, because she painted him as just a deadbeat, an
• 33:20
  addict, a father who wanted nothing to do with his sick
• 33:23
  little girl. That's what she put with her
• 33:25
  family. And that's.
• 33:26
  I was just thinking about that. She doesn't understand this was
• 33:30
  true. Like it.
• 33:32
  I mean, even Gypsy's book, her memoir, paints Rod as a
• 33:38
  deadbeat, an addict, a drug user.
• 33:43
  This wasn't Didi's imagination. No, I think it's pretty safe to
• 33:48
  say that Rod was a drug user. And I don't know, you know, when
• 33:55
  that stopped or anything like that.
• 33:57
  I don't have any reason to believe that it's a current
• 33:59
  thing. Who knows?
• 34:02
  But. You know, even speaking to some
• 34:07
  of Dee Dee's close friends from back in the day who know Rod and
• 34:11
  Christy and stuff, she said that she never really formed a
• 34:14
  relationship with them because of certain reasons.
• 34:18
  You know she. Well, Gypsy even wrote in her
• 34:20
  memoir that Rod approved of that.
• 34:22
  He was high off on an acid trip whenever she was born.
• 34:25
  Literally. Yeah.
• 34:28
  And you know, something that she'll get into a little bit, I
• 34:32
  believe, is about how, like, you know, you know, they kept Gypsy
• 34:36
  away from him and he didn't want anything to do with her.
• 34:39
  But they well, well first of all they kept in somewhat regular
• 34:46
  ish contact. Not as regular contact as I
• 34:48
  would want with my dad if he was separated from my mother and
• 34:50
  lived in a different state. But they were friends on
• 34:54
  Facebook up until the the crime. As well as Gypsy being friends
• 35:01
  on Facebook with all of her family on both sides.
• 35:05
  And remember when we discovered in the last FOIA documents that
• 35:11
  over Facebook Messenger, Dee Dee was trying to get Rod and
• 35:15
  Christy to pick Gypsy up and take her on a vacation with
• 35:18
  them? And Rod was the one saying I
• 35:21
  don't think I could do that. Yeah, I I'm trying to remember
• 35:27
  where this even came from, but I believe that he even straight up
• 35:30
  said that. Like, you know, I didn't think
• 35:33
  that she was going to live, so I tried not.
• 35:35
  He did in an interview, yeah. So it was literally early on in
• 35:39
  his words. Yeah.
• 35:40
  It's like, I didn't think she was going to live.
• 35:42
  And, you know, most parents would be like, wow, I don't
• 35:44
  think my my child's going to live.
• 35:46
  I'm going to try and save her every second I can with them, no
• 35:49
  matter how sick they are. And if I recall correctly, I
• 35:53
  believe that there was even an instance in which they might
• 35:56
  have gone to Disney and or they were on some trip.
• 36:00
  And you know, Rod and Christy and Mia and Dylan and all of
• 36:05
  them, they were actually somewhere nearby wherever
• 36:08
  they're vacationing and they're trying to get them to hang out
• 36:10
  with her for longer. But they only saw her for like
• 36:13
  an afternoon or something. And then they just left her to
• 36:15
  be with Dee Dee. I don't remember that one, but.
• 36:19
  You don't remember that? OK, so I want to say it was for
• 36:21
  Disney. Don't quote me on that 100%.
• 36:25
  Try and look and see where I found it.
• 36:26
  Like we said, there's so much information.
• 36:29
  It just seems like Rod cared about Gypsy to an extent, but he
• 36:35
  wasn't actively putting himself in her life very often.
• 36:40
  Right. One of those things, I suppose,
• 36:46
  yeah, I don't know. And something that a lot of
• 36:49
  people don't realize is Gypsy has a sister that's only a
• 36:54
  couple of months a difference from her.
• 36:57
  Yeah, yeah, Rad had another woman pregnant at the exact same
• 37:02
  time as Dee Dee, which it was not, Christy.
• 37:06
  No, it was not Christy and which I will say that Dee Dee was 100%
• 37:10
  the wrong for messing around with a man that was not even a
• 37:13
  man who was like 17. Whatever.
• 37:15
  I find that weird and gross, but he wasn't exactly like I'm
• 37:19
  interested in being monogamous. And I think it's safe to say
• 37:25
  that with a lot of the prison emails that came forward that
• 37:27
  even with Christy, the so-called love of his life, he's not
• 37:32
  faithful. He's not faithful.
• 37:33
  He doesn't he? I have that proof 100% he's not,
• 37:37
  Janice said. Pimp Juice.
• 37:39
  Yeah. Crap, I lost what I was going to
• 37:44
  say. Sorry you're.
• 37:45
  Good. Something about him being
• 37:47
  unfaithful. The cookie lady maybe?
• 37:49
  I don't know. No, it was.
• 37:51
  He did, for the record, anybody who doesn't know, he did try to
• 37:55
  basically run away with the woman in Canada that baked
• 38:01
  cookies at the time. I don't think that her cookie
• 38:04
  shop survived COVID, but she did have a bakery.
• 38:08
  And you know, I don't know what to say about it other than
• 38:13
  Cookie Lady and the Cookie lady and Rod like to get around.
• 38:19
  I mean, you know, what can you say other than that?
• 38:22
  So anyway, do you have any other thoughts?
• 38:26
  Nope, I'm good. OK, cool.
• 38:29
  What she told charities, and most devastatingly, that's what
• 38:32
  she told Gypsy. But the reality was that Rod, at
• 38:36
  the very least paid child support consistently for years,
• 38:40
  along with extra money for birthdays and Christmases.
• 38:43
  And he would call and he tried to stay in the picture.
• 38:46
  But the arrangement was almost from the start entirely on Dee
• 38:50
  Dee's terms. She controlled when he could
• 38:52
  call, when he was told what he was allowed to know.
• 38:56
  And Rod would later put it simply, saying he was just a kid
• 38:59
  himself at that point and like everyone else in this.
• 39:03
  Which I mean, Rod, I have a lot of things that I think about
• 39:08
  you, but I mean, fair. He was just a kid himself.
• 39:11
  Oh, that is what I was going to say.
• 39:13
  OK, I remember someone telling me that there's a possibility
• 39:17
  that Didi might have thought Rod was 18 because they meant
• 39:22
  drinking in the bowling alley, and at that time, the legal age
• 39:27
  for drinking in Louisiana was 18.
• 39:29
  Really. Ride was underage drinking.
• 39:32
  Interesting, interesting. That sounds again, who knows,
• 39:38
  but that sounds like a checks out.
• 39:40
  Who knows, but in the in the interest of fairness, I thought
• 39:44
  it was important to point that out.
• 39:46
  The legal age for drinking at that time was 18 and Rod was 17
• 39:53
  and drinking in the bowling alley, so there is a possibility
• 39:57
  that Didi didn't know. I don't think she was 24.
• 40:01
  She was 24 when she had Gypsy, so would she have been 23?
• 40:05
  Because that's. Really.
• 40:06
  What they said, Yeah, I'm thinking 22 or 23, Yeah.
• 40:10
  Yeah, so I, I will make a comment about the the podcast a
• 40:13
  little bit later. Oh, thank you so much, Cherokee
• 40:15
  Girl. But yeah, I mean, in the very
• 40:18
  least, she was 23. I'm 25.
• 40:21
  It's not illegal, but personally I would not look at an 18 year
• 40:25
  old. But yeah, I don't know.
• 40:28
  That's just a personal preference.
• 40:30
  But it's not illegal. So I don't know.
• 40:33
  And even back then, I'm not trying to excuse us whatsoever
• 40:36
  because not even a little bit. But you know, my grandparents
• 40:41
  and other people within a 20 to 30 year time frame that are
• 40:47
  close to me, they got married at really concerning ages with
• 40:52
  really concerning age gaps, or at least concerning now, you
• 40:56
  know what I mean? So I don't really even know what
• 40:59
  to say about it. So anyway, I think I'm just
• 41:01
  going to leave it there. Story.
• 41:04
  He didn't know the half of it because within a few years of
• 41:08
  Gypsy's birth, Didi began taking her infant daughter to doctors
• 41:12
  with a concern. She said the baby wasn't
• 41:14
  breathing right in her sleep. Sleep apnea she would suggest to
• 41:18
  them, and doctors would run tests, but the tests would find
• 41:21
  nothing. But Didi would keep going.
• 41:23
  And it was the first thread in what would become a 2 decade
• 41:27
  medical fiction. Just a story so elaborate and so
• 41:31
  detailed and so just relentlessly maintained that
• 41:34
  almost no one who encountered it ever questioned it out loud at
• 41:38
  least. And I feel like before we get
• 41:40
  any further, I really want to talk about Munchausen's syndrome
• 41:43
  by proxy to really get what was going on in this house.
• 41:47
  Now today, clinicians call it factitious disorder imposed on
• 41:50
  another or FDIA. And it is widely considered one
• 41:54
  of the most difficult forms of child abuse to detect and also
• 41:57
  to prove or even to stop. So that's kind of why I want to
• 42:00
  explain it just so everybody knows.
• 42:02
  So like, maybe you actually spotted or notice it and you can
• 42:05
  even report it if you see it happening.
• 42:07
  I also want to mention something important to note is that Dee
• 42:10
  Dee Blanchard was never formally diagnosed.
• 42:13
  She never sat across from a psychiatrist and received that
• 42:16
  label, and now she never can. But experts who have studied
• 42:20
  this case say her behavior fits the profile with almost textbook
• 42:24
  precision. So we can.
• 42:25
  So the first thing I want to say is you cannot diagnose a dead
• 42:28
  woman and that doesn't mean that she did or did not have, you
• 42:32
  know, factitious disorder imposed upon another, but you
• 42:36
  can't diagnose the dead woman with anything.
• 42:39
  Secondly, or is that the way I say it anyway, it doesn't
• 42:42
  matter. The the other thing I would like
• 42:45
  to point out is like I said, we've had conversations with
• 42:50
  lots of people that haven't necessarily been broadcast to
• 42:53
  everybody. One of the conversations that we
• 42:56
  had, again, was with somebody that was close with DD at one
• 43:01
  point in time. And this particular individual
• 43:07
  has spoken to a lot of the experts that have spoken on the
• 43:11
  documentaries and who have commented on Munchausen by Proxy
• 43:15
  as it is referred to in the documentaries because it it
• 43:17
  switched. Oh, hey, Morbid.
• 43:22
  I promise, we're talking too much shit.
• 43:25
  Everything's good, Morbid. I don't agree with everything
• 43:28
  you say, but you're always super nice to me.
• 43:30
  So we're all good here. But anyway, so the person that
• 43:34
  I'm particularly thinking of, she had spoken to a lot of the
• 43:40
  experts that had participated in the documentaries and every
• 43:43
  single one of them, even though she fully believes everything
• 43:46
  that they say, they say that they didn't even really bother
• 43:49
  to look at any of the medical records because it just wasn't
• 43:53
  relevant because it was all BS. And I mean, I'm not a medical
• 43:59
  professional. I can't make any comments on.
• 44:03
  I can't make any comments on any of it.
• 44:04
  But I will say that it is really telling that they never even
• 44:10
  looked at any of them. That's weird.
• 44:13
  Yeah. Well, and you know, something
• 44:17
  you and I have talked about a lot and I think probably after
• 44:20
  we're done with the videos we'll go over is today I told the
• 44:24
  Laura I've been trying to get a hold of a copy of the DSM 5
• 44:29
  manual for the actual diagnostic criteria of MVP factitious
• 44:34
  disorder imposed on another because it's been updated.
• 44:39
  And the old definition and to a certain extent, in my opinion,
• 44:43
  the new one are they're so vague that it feels like any
• 44:48
  hypochondriac parent or someone just with, you know, medical
• 44:53
  anxiety or over helicoptery or scamming, you know, whatever
• 44:59
  could get diagnosed with MVP. And people believe and assume
• 45:05
  that being diagnosed with MVP means that you're medically
• 45:09
  abusing your child, like the people who've actually killed
• 45:12
  their kids by injecting fecal matter in their veins and stuff
• 45:16
  like that. Like those are the worst cases
• 45:20
  of MVP, not DD Blanchard. Now, whatever you look at the
• 45:26
  the definition of factitious disorder imposed on another,
• 45:30
  it's very obvious that the reason why most people think
• 45:33
  that it's just such an open and shut case is because Gypsy could
• 45:38
  walk. She didn't need the wheelchair.
• 45:40
  Now we know from the foyers that there's a pot.
• 45:42
  Gypsy claimed herself that she'd been lying to DD about the
• 45:46
  feeling in her legs. But then we also know that the
• 45:51
  doctors didn't find muscle atrophy in Gypsy's legs.
• 45:56
  So she had been walking behind closed doors.
• 46:00
  And she's always really, really just virulent about making sure
• 46:07
  that no one says that. There was a live stream that Ken
• 46:11
  was on, and Ken was saying, oh, yeah, like, Didi blacked out the
• 46:15
  windows, that nobody could see that Gypsy could walk.
• 46:18
  And inside, well, Gypsy freaked out how to fit.
• 46:22
  And she made Ken go live again to correct that.
• 46:25
  She's like, no, no, no, no. I had to use the wheelchair
• 46:28
  inside too, and even though it's so obvious to all of us,
• 46:33
  especially at the last, that there's no way that a wheelchair
• 46:37
  could have gotten around in there.
• 46:39
  Well, I think the reason why she does that is because of C here
• 46:45
  in the factitious disorder post on another criteria.
• 46:49
  C The criteria is the deceptive behavior is evident even in the
• 46:55
  absence of obvious external rewards.
• 46:59
  So she Dee Dee would fail on the C criteria if Gypsy doesn't
• 47:04
  maintain that. No, no, no, this this went on
• 47:08
  behind closed doors in the house too, even when we couldn't see.
• 47:12
  So anyway, that's that's my big old ramble on it.
• 47:14
  Thanks for pulling that up here. But yeah, I feel like her
• 47:17
  explanation of Munchausen by proxy leaves a lot out.
• 47:22
  And also another thing right here in criteria A at the top,
• 47:28
  it says falsification of physical or psychological signs
• 47:32
  or symptoms, which that's why most people are like, Oh yeah,
• 47:36
  obvious textbook Gypsy was in the wheelchair.
• 47:38
  She could walk. But then it says or induction of
• 47:42
  injury or disease. So the medical abuse can be a
• 47:48
  part of Munchausen by proxy, but it's not required for the
• 47:52
  diagnosis. And I think that's why so many
• 47:55
  people get so confused and they're just like, oh, well,
• 47:58
  it's obvious. The textbook case.
• 48:00
  Well, if you bring into context the possibility of child
• 48:04
  malingering, which, you know, a lot of people have suspected
• 48:07
  that Gypsy did and all these other things, and then also the
• 48:12
  very, very likely possibility that it did not go on behind
• 48:16
  closed doors. It was not evident with the
• 48:19
  absence of external rewards that it all starts falling apart a
• 48:24
  little bit, you know? Absolutely.
• 48:27
  I actually took this picture today right after I got off of
• 48:30
  work. I went to the library and I saw
• 48:33
  that they had the DSM 5. And so I just went and I'm like,
• 48:35
  OK, let me see if I can find this.
• 48:37
  And actually, the way that they organize this, clearly I'm not
• 48:42
  smart enough to be the kind of person to read the DSF 5, but
• 48:48
  the way they organize this is confusing as hell, even by like
• 48:51
  the numbers and like letters and stuff.
• 48:53
  Like I'd be on like F60 and I would keep going and keep going
• 48:57
  and I would never find F68, which is where it was supposed
• 49:00
  to be affected. So I had to go to the librarian
• 49:03
  and ask. Her for a little bit of help
• 49:04
  she. Helped me out a little bit.
• 49:06
  Would you mind, since you this is something that you're more
• 49:10
  something that you really think about and something that you
• 49:11
  wanted to talk about, would you mind just kind of reading out
• 49:14
  some of this stuff? And then in a second, before we
• 49:16
  get back to Chris's video, we can go ahead and put it up the
• 49:20
  definition of malingering that I also took a picture of today.
• 49:23
  Yeah. So Andy's here.
• 49:33
  It says falsification of physical symptoms or
• 49:35
  psychological signs and symptoms or induction of injury or
• 49:39
  disease in another associated with identified deception.
• 49:46
  There is nothing in the criteria that would indicate that if a
• 49:54
  child actually was sick, actually had, you know, for
• 49:58
  instance, let's say an undiscovered chromosome disorder
• 50:02
  that wasn't found until later. What to do in that case?
• 50:06
  Like it, It really seems clear to me that these would fail.
• 50:11
  But again, I'm just saying this is a layperson reading.
• 50:14
  I'm not anyway training this, but it seems like these will
• 50:18
  fail once it's known that Gypsy was really sick.
• 50:22
  Even if Gypsy was malingering, even if there was scammy
• 50:26
  behavior going on with the wheelchair to try and get more
• 50:30
  stuff from charity, it just really still seems to actually
• 50:35
  fail from this diagnosis. Once you know all the
• 50:38
  information, yeah. Then on the comorbidity or sorry
• 50:45
  on the malingering 1, you find that one.
• 50:56
  Sorry I sent you like 3 different screenshots when
• 50:59
  they're. Good, OK, it says.
• 51:02
  The essential feature of malingering is the intentional
• 51:05
  production of false or grossly exaggerated physical or
• 51:08
  psychological symptoms motivated by external incentives, such as
• 51:12
  avoiding military duty, avoiding work, obtaining financial
• 51:16
  compensation, evading criminal prosecution, or obtaining drugs.
• 51:20
  Under some circumstances, malingering may represent
• 51:23
  adaptive behavior, for example, feigning illness while captive
• 51:27
  of the enemy during wartime. Malingering should be strongly
• 51:31
  considered if any combination of the following is noted.
• 51:36
  Medical legal. I'm not probably pronouncing
• 51:40
  that right, but medical legal. Context of presentation.
• 51:44
  The individual is referred by an attorney or to the clinician for
• 51:48
  examination or the individual self refers while litigation or
• 51:52
  criminal charges are pending. Now somebody trying to get a
• 51:55
  diagnosis because they're trying to get a settlement, that's what
• 51:59
  they're saying there marked discrepancy between the
• 52:02
  individuals claimed stress or disability and the objective
• 52:06
  findings and observations which gypsies all over that lack of
• 52:12
  cooperation during the diagnostic evaluation and in
• 52:15
  complying with a prescribed treatment regimen.
• 52:20
  I don't. I can't really think of any
• 52:24
  noted instances of DD not complying with any treatment
• 52:28
  that they gave, treatment plan that they gave her Gypsy.
• 52:34
  Not to my knowledge, but I don't know all the intimate workings
• 52:37
  of the. Same as far as we know anyway.
• 52:43
  The presence of antisocial personality disorder, Well,
• 52:46
  that's a big question, you know, for we can't Dee Dee doesn't
• 52:51
  seem to have an antisocial personality disorder because of
• 52:54
  the way that she talked to all of her neighbors constantly.
• 52:58
  That consistent, upbeat. If it was, you know, some sort
• 53:05
  of fake put on due to a mental health disorder, it probably
• 53:10
  wasn't that one, I wouldn't think.
• 53:12
  But once again, I'm just a layperson reading stuff.
• 53:15
  But yeah, says malingering differs from factitious disorder
• 53:20
  and that the motivation for the symptom production is
• 53:23
  malingering in in malingering is an external incentive, whereas
• 53:29
  in factitious disorder external incentives are absent.
• 53:35
  Sorry, I can't lose my place there.
• 53:37
  Malingering is differentiated from functional functional
• 53:41
  neurological symptom disorder, conversion disorder, and other
• 53:46
  somatic symptom related mental disorders by the intentional
• 53:50
  production of symptoms and the obvious external incentives
• 53:54
  associated with it. Definite evidence of feigning,
• 53:59
  such as clear evidence that loss of function is present during
• 54:02
  the examination but not at home, would suggest a diagnosis of
• 54:06
  factitious disorder if the individual's apparent aim is to
• 54:11
  assume a sick role, or malingering if it is to obtain
• 54:16
  an incentive such as money. So if a person qualified to make
• 54:24
  a malingering versus factitious disorder imposed on it or
• 54:28
  factitious disorder on self. Either way, if a person
• 54:32
  qualified to make that diagnosis I think would have saw gypsies
• 54:37
  video where she says that she's been lying to her mom since 2011
• 54:45
  about the feeling in her legs because she was afraid her mom
• 54:48
  wouldn't love her so much. They I think they would
• 54:51
  definitely diagnose her with malinkering probably.
• 54:57
  Lingering definitely again, as somebody who knows nothing about
• 55:01
  any of this stuff, it, it seems to fit the the picture a little
• 55:05
  bit more. But like you said it, you know,
• 55:08
  I wish I had an old version of the DSM that had Munchausen by
• 55:12
  proxy in it. I'll do some research and see if
• 55:15
  I can get something in it. But we only thought about this
• 55:17
  like a couple of hours ago, you know what I mean?
• 55:21
  But you know, Munchausen by proxy seem to be pretty vast and
• 55:26
  wide, like you said. So I mean, it's possible that by
• 55:30
  the technical terms and the broadness of it that she could
• 55:36
  have very well been diagnosed or something like that.
• 55:39
  Yeah, the old the old criteria for Munchausen by Proxy was
• 55:44
  really screwed up. Like female used to be a part of
• 55:49
  the criteria. Fucked up, very misogynistic in
• 55:53
  my opinion. And hang on, there was a comment
• 55:57
  that made a good point I wanted to mention.
• 56:02
  Can't find it now if. You find it, let me know who
• 56:05
  posted it and I'll try and put it up on the screen.
• 56:07
  Sorry I haven't been paying as much attention to Chad this
• 56:09
  time. Yeah, no problem.
• 56:11
  But yeah, I can't find it. Oh well, there was something
• 56:14
  that was something I've been forgetting to say about
• 56:20
  malingering. Well.
• 56:26
  Shall we go back to the video? Yeah, and say, if you think of
• 56:28
  it, let me know. Let me go ahead and put this
• 56:30
  back on screen. And again, to anybody who's
• 56:32
  tuning in because I see what we got.
• 56:34
  I see we have gotten a few more viewers.
• 56:37
  We're just going over the Call Me Chris video, or at least what
• 56:41
  we can find on TikTok because it did get deleted.
• 56:45
  And we're just kind of going over it as best we can and just
• 56:48
  trying to clarify certain things.
• 56:49
  And again, we're not trying to pretend like we are the experts
• 56:52
  on every single thing that ever happened.
• 56:54
  There's his side, her side and the truth.
• 56:56
  Truth lies somewhere in the middle.
• 56:58
  But we're just doing our best to clarify.
• 56:59
  And we're not villainizing anybody, not even Gypsy, because
• 57:03
  I, I personally believe there are certain things that she's
• 57:06
  been a victim of. Maybe not the certain things
• 57:09
  that everyone accuses her of being a victim of, but I have a
• 57:13
  lot of thoughts. So let's just get on into it.
• 57:16
  Faithfully say she had it, but she never actually got
• 57:18
  diagnosed. So I just want to make that
• 57:19
  clear. As we walk through what FDIA is,
• 57:23
  keep her story in mind. But here's how it works.
• 57:26
  A caregiver, most often a mother, fabricates or
• 57:30
  exaggerates or even induces illness in someone under her
• 57:34
  care. And usually that is their child.
• 57:38
  And the goal typically isn't to kill the child.
• 57:41
  The child isn't even really the target.
• 57:43
  The child is more of a prop, and it's kind of like a means to an
• 57:47
  end. And the end is a role.
• 57:50
  The devoted caregiver at the center of a medical drama.
• 57:54
  The tireless mother at the bedside.
• 57:56
  The hero. Just disgusting behavior,
• 58:00
  basically. But regardless of it not often
• 58:02
  being about killing the child, it can often turn deadly.
• 58:06
  And children have died from unnecessary procedures, from
• 58:10
  medications they never needed, or from induced symptoms that
• 58:13
  spiraled out of control. So the abuser may not set out to
• 58:16
  kill, but intent doesn't limit the damage.
• 58:20
  And the profile of a typical FDIA perpetrator is strikingly
• 58:23
  consistent across documented cases.
• 58:26
  They often experienced illness or neglect in their own own
• 58:28
  childhood. Many were treated as the sick
• 58:31
  child themselves, which we know happened to DD, And they
• 58:34
  frequently have a background in medicine or caregiving, like
• 58:38
  nursing home health. The pattern is patterning here,
• 58:41
  and they often have enough training to speak the language
• 58:44
  and know the system. They are charming and
• 58:46
  persuasive, especially with medical professionals.
• 58:49
  And they are extraordinarily skilled at manufacturing the
• 58:51
  appearance of love. So just point by point, this is
• 58:56
  DD Blanchard, right? But what makes FDIA nearly
• 59:00
  impossible to catch is that the entire medical system is built
• 59:03
  to trust the person DD was pretending to, because doctors
• 59:08
  are trained to listen to the caregiver at the bedside, and a
• 59:12
  tearful, really knowledgeable mother isn't usually the first
• 59:15
  suspect. So FDIA perpetrators don't just
• 59:18
  exploit their children, they exploit that trust as well.
• 59:22
  And besides the obvious psychological rewards of having
• 59:26
  Munchausens by proxy or FDIA, there are practical rewards as
• 59:31
  well. Like a sick child generates
• 59:34
  sympathy, and sympathy often generates things like donations,
• 59:39
  like charity trips, like free housing, like community support.
• 59:43
  And for a woman with Dee Dee's history, the bad checks, the
• 59:46
  schemes and the lifelong talent for getting what she wanted, a
• 59:50
  chronically I'll daughter wasn't just an identity, it was now an
• 59:54
  income. So let's talk about her
• 59:57
  daughter, Gypsy Rose Blanchard. And income would point more
• 1:00:01
  towards malingering than Munchaus or, I'm sorry,
• 1:00:04
  factitious disorder imposed upon another, correct?
• 1:00:07
  Yeah, definitely. And does she even know about the
• 1:00:14
  chromosome deletion? So I think she makes, there's a
• 1:00:20
  point where she says something. I'll pause it when it gets to
• 1:00:25
  that point. However, I remember reading in
• 1:00:28
  her comments section that she said that she had kind of, she
• 1:00:32
  had kind of skipped over that part and forgot about it a
• 1:00:34
  little bit. But that might have a little bit
• 1:00:38
  more to do with things than she might realize.
• 1:00:40
  So what if we get to it? Then I'll go ahead and pause it.
• 1:00:45
  But I don't think this is the whole entire video.
• 1:00:49
  I could be wrong, but we'll see. We'll see.
• 1:00:52
  Now, by every meaningful measure, Gypsy was a healthy
• 1:00:55
  baby. But almost from the beginning,
• 1:00:57
  her mother was telling dogs. What is she talking about when
• 1:01:02
  she says by every meaningful measure, Gypsy was a healthy
• 1:01:06
  baby? Like she was born with a
• 1:01:08
  chromosome deletion with microcephaly and the sleep apnea
• 1:01:13
  thing was real. Like even her grandparents who
• 1:01:17
  hate Dee Dee, we're talking about the machine alarm going
• 1:01:21
  off because Gypsy would literally stop breathing.
• 1:01:23
  That's sleep apnea and they'd have to wake her up to get her
• 1:01:26
  breathing again. So anyway, had a little rant
• 1:01:29
  there. Like what is she saying?
• 1:01:31
  And you don't have to sleep with this Sorry my boyfriend.
• 1:01:37
  My boyfriend and I call it sleep app as like a joke.
• 1:01:40
  He he literally was just texting me about his earlier.
• 1:01:42
  But you don't have to sleep with AC pap in order to survive or
• 1:01:50
  live or whatever when you have sleep apnea.
• 1:01:53
  You know, again, like I said, I was talking to someone very
• 1:01:56
  close to told me that he tried to use his last night and he was
• 1:02:01
  struggling. And you know, he's had sleep
• 1:02:02
  apnea for Lord knows how long and he's only used to sleep
• 1:02:06
  sleep apnea machine like, yeah, a handful of times.
• 1:02:10
  So, you know, it's not like if she just doesn't use it, she's
• 1:02:14
  going to like automatically, you know, it's the end of her or
• 1:02:18
  anything. It's one of those really
• 1:02:19
  complicated things. You know, even my parents, both
• 1:02:22
  of them have sleep apnea. Neither one of them are using
• 1:02:25
  that that C pap machine. Never ever, ever.
• 1:02:29
  So but yeah, you're right, healthy baby, how do you know
• 1:02:33
  you still had microcephaly? You still had a chromosomal
• 1:02:37
  microdeletion that wouldn't be discovered or two years, you
• 1:02:42
  know, so. OK.
• 1:02:45
  Doctors otherwise, and it started really small.
• 1:02:48
  And that's kind of important to understand.
• 1:02:50
  It doesn't start with like she has cancer and then the doctors
• 1:02:52
  are able to prove that she doesn't have cancer and she's
• 1:02:54
  like, ah, that didn't work. It start, it starts small,
• 1:02:57
  right? And for her, it began with sleep
• 1:03:00
  apnea and a breathing monitor, an honest concern that any
• 1:03:04
  doctor would take seriously and none could easily disprove.
• 1:03:08
  And DD knew this. So when tests came back normal
• 1:03:12
  DD didn't stop and she found new doctors and figured out some new
• 1:03:16
  symptoms, victims to get them and had some new concerns.
• 1:03:20
  So small enough to be plausible and specific enough to demand
• 1:03:24
  attention. But again, if you don't know
• 1:03:29
  about a certain disorder that your child or even yourself has
• 1:03:33
  or have or whatever, you're going to do certain things in
• 1:03:36
  order to try and test to see if you have this problem or this
• 1:03:39
  problem or that problem. Yes and that just made me
• 1:03:43
  remember the comment I was trying to find earlier and I
• 1:03:46
  couldn't find it it was Marie Kell I believe said I've been
• 1:03:50
  reading a lot about people getting accused of MVP who have
• 1:03:54
  chronically I'll children and that's something me and you and
• 1:03:58
  your mom have went over on my channel several times before.
• 1:04:02
  There was a bunch of people, I believe in Seattle who tried to
• 1:04:05
  sue another one of these MVP experts because multiple
• 1:04:10
  families lost their entire livelihoods fighting false MVP
• 1:04:17
  accusations. Oh, you kind of timed out there.
• 1:04:25
  Are you glitched out for a second?
• 1:04:27
  Did you have something else to say after that?
• 1:04:28
  I'm sorry, I just heard about the OK, sorry, you just went OK,
• 1:04:33
  my bad. Anyway, I'm going to continue.
• 1:04:36
  And then it would grow. And by the time Gypsy was a
• 1:04:38
  toddler, Dee Dee was claiming her daughter had a chromosomal
• 1:04:42
  disorder. And then came the feeding
• 1:04:45
  difficulties. That's what I.
• 1:04:47
  That's what I was going to pinpoint.
• 1:04:48
  That's where she said it. Yeah, she.
• 1:04:51
  Does. She does have a chromosomal
• 1:04:52
  disorder though. Like even Rod says it in one of
• 1:04:55
  the documentaries. Like does.
• 1:04:57
  We don't even need the medical records to say that.
• 1:05:00
  Gypsy herself has said that if her and can have another baby
• 1:05:05
  they'll probably do IVF because they according to her if she's
• 1:05:09
  telling the truth, they got lucky that their current baby
• 1:05:12
  doesn't have didn't inherit the micro deletion.
• 1:05:15
  So I don't know why anyone would act like the chromosome disorder
• 1:05:21
  isn't real at this point, you know?
• 1:05:24
  And I pray to God that Aurora doesn't have the micro deletion
• 1:05:27
  right. I hope she doesn't have any kind
• 1:05:29
  of problems and Aurora does exist, y'all?
• 1:05:33
  Anyway. And seizures and epilepsy, Didi
• 1:05:37
  would say to them. Then muscular dystrophy, hearing
• 1:05:40
  impairment, vision problems, and eventually leukemia.
• 1:05:45
  And by age 8, Gypsies supposed medical file read like a
• 1:05:49
  pediatric Ward's entire caseload concentrated all in one small
• 1:05:55
  girl who was, again healthy. But she would even be placed in
• 1:05:58
  a wheelchair because Dede said she couldn't walk.
• 1:06:02
  And a feeding tube was inserted, and Dede said it was because she
• 1:06:05
  couldn't swallow. And a breathing machine was
• 1:06:07
  strapped to her face each night because Dede said she couldn't
• 1:06:10
  breathe in her sleep. And a battery of daily
• 1:06:12
  medications flowed through her system.
• 1:06:14
  Enough, one expert would later note, to level a healthy adult
• 1:06:19
  during those early years, I never actually went to school.
• 1:06:22
  I'm sorry, I was reading a comment whenever you said or
• 1:06:25
  whenever you said that. What?
• 1:06:26
  What was it that she just said? She said that there was enough
• 1:06:29
  medications flowing through her system, as one expert put it,
• 1:06:34
  daily to level a healthy adult. Never heard anyone say that.
• 1:06:40
  And the most we've heard about Gypsy getting medication she
• 1:06:45
  didn't need was her talking in her own memoir about stealing
• 1:06:49
  her mom's pain meds. Crushed him up and put him in
• 1:06:51
  her own feeding tube. Yeah.
• 1:06:55
  And you know, there's this famous picture that was taken by
• 1:06:58
  Christy of the medical cabinet and all of the crazy medications
• 1:07:03
  that are in there. When you zoom in, most of it
• 1:07:05
  seems to be over the counter expired.
• 1:07:07
  It could be stuff that's been hoarded because, you know, in
• 1:07:10
  Katrina, you're gonna talk to hoard those certain things just
• 1:07:12
  in case you're in an emergency. And five.
• 1:07:16
  Of the four or five of the big jugs in the bottom of that have
• 1:07:20
  poopy meds written on them in a Sharpie, it's Miralax.
• 1:07:24
  Yeah, Gypsy, how to request Miralax in prison sometimes.
• 1:07:29
  So yeah. I do recall hearing about that
• 1:07:33
  and it's like those. Poopy meds if y'all were to see.
• 1:07:36
  My parents medication cabinet even now that we've cleaned out
• 1:07:41
  a lot of it, or before it got cleaned out, or back when they
• 1:07:44
  were on all kinds of medication. Y'all.
• 1:07:48
  Y'all don't even know the shit my parents were on for years and
• 1:07:51
  years and years prescribed to them by their doctors and the
• 1:07:57
  endless stuff that they had that was just extra or expired or
• 1:08:01
  anything like that that they didn't even use on a daily
• 1:08:03
  basis. You know a family member of mine
• 1:08:06
  had a spouse that passed away a few years ago going to the house
• 1:08:11
  and they also had a disabled child that was living there as
• 1:08:14
  well. You would not believe the stuff
• 1:08:17
  that just gets sent to you. I mean, they must have had, I
• 1:08:23
  mean they must have had 100 packs of just even baby wipes,
• 1:08:28
  like, I mean, just everything they overload you with shit
• 1:08:32
  basically. So it's very, very interesting.
• 1:08:37
  I don't know that claim that she made about the, you know, to
• 1:08:41
  take out a, an adult or whatever.
• 1:08:42
  I I don't know how true that is. I don't.
• 1:08:45
  Remember, Yeah. And I'm sure that Dee Dee would
• 1:08:47
  have kept everything like what you're saying, you know, meds
• 1:08:50
  and other ways, because even though you know, they're,
• 1:08:54
  they're Section 8 apartment in Slidell, whenever Katrina hit,
• 1:08:59
  Dee Dee and Gypsy had already been evacuated to Covington, but
• 1:09:03
  they still lost everything. And that does cause trauma in a
• 1:09:08
  person's mind. And a lot of people, whether in
• 1:09:11
  small ways or big, after you go through a natural disaster like
• 1:09:15
  that, have little hoarding tendencies, especially with
• 1:09:19
  things like medication and food and stuff like that.
• 1:09:23
  Yeah, oops, sorry. I got a notification that
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  Morbid's live too. We're not in the thumbnail,
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  though, so it's all good. No, but yeah, yeah, The hoarding
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  tendencies, you never know what you're going to have, what
• 1:09:40
  you're going to have access to. You want to make sure that you
• 1:09:42
  have it and make sure that you're good to go.
• 1:09:45
  Some of it's expired, some of it's not, is what it is.
• 1:09:50
  So anyway, I'm going to turn my screen off and run to the
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  bathroom while you play this, but I'll be listening from in
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  there so if I have comments. No worries, you're good.
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  Let's go. Briefly she attended in
• 1:10:00
  Louisiana until about the second grade, and then Didi pulled her
• 1:10:04
  out, telling the district her daughter was just simply too
• 1:10:07
  sick to go to school. And from that point on, Gypsy's
• 1:10:10
  entire education happened at home.
• 1:10:12
  So she's just completely isolating Gypsy from the outside
• 1:10:16
  world so nobody could see her. Maybe be actually OK or like
• 1:10:21
  take note of anything because she couldn't risk that, you
• 1:10:24
  know, it's just really messed up.
• 1:10:26
  So it just removed teachers and school nurses and classmates and
• 1:10:30
  classmates parents, just an entire layer of people who see a
• 1:10:34
  child every single day gone. But from the outside, none of
• 1:10:38
  this looked like control. It just looked like devotion,
• 1:10:41
  like a mother that really cared about her small sick daughter
• 1:10:45
  sick, you know, quotation marks. So in 2003, a small Louisiana
• 1:10:49
  newspaper, the Slidell Century News, ran a feature on the pair.
• 1:10:53
  And the headline was Life takes many turns for good for little
• 1:10:57
  girl in Slidell. And the article told a very
• 1:11:00
  heartbreaking story. A mother and her sick daughter
• 1:11:04
  abandoned by their family after for the death of Dee Dee's
• 1:11:07
  mother, bouncing between homes twice, living out of their car,
• 1:11:11
  finally finding stability in public housing, embraced by a
• 1:11:15
  local church, not to mention a struggling single mom and her
• 1:11:18
  dying little girl. This story was just, you know,
• 1:11:22
  quote UN quote irresistible. And almost none of it was true,
• 1:11:26
  at least not the way Dee Dee told it.
• 1:11:28
  But it worked. It all.
• 1:11:30
  I was going. To say you never know.
• 1:11:33
  But yeah, I don't know. Anyway, I'm gonna keep going.
• 1:11:36
  Always worked for Dee Dee and a former neighbor later described
• 1:11:39
  never once questioning Gypsies conditions, because why would
• 1:11:43
  they? Dee Dee was always there at the
• 1:11:45
  hospital bedside explaining her daughter's complicated history
• 1:11:48
  to every new Doctor. And As for the doctors, some of
• 1:11:51
  them did notice inconsistencies because there were tests that
• 1:11:55
  did come back clean and symptoms that never appeared outside of
• 1:11:59
  Dee Dee's descriptions. But time and time again, they
• 1:12:02
  talked themselves out of it, because who would do this to
• 1:12:06
  their own child? It's completely messed up.
• 1:12:09
  So the harm done to Gypsy Rose Blanchard was by no means
• 1:12:13
  metaphorical. It wasn't just stolen time
• 1:12:17
  because it was years and years for life or a stolen childhood.
• 1:12:20
  It was surgical and physical, and it was permanent.
• 1:12:24
  Operations were performed on her body as a child.
• 1:12:28
  When? You know, I don't know all the
• 1:12:32
  medical stuff and I even have my doubts that Fancy was provided
• 1:12:36
  with all of the medical records. But from what we see, there's
• 1:12:40
  very minimal procedures that she even had done.
• 1:12:45
  Most of them were on her eyes and she had the feeding tube,
• 1:12:49
  which, you know, kind of goes along with the chromosomal
• 1:12:51
  microdeletion because of failure to thrive.
• 1:12:55
  There's a lot of oh, do you have any thoughts on she said
• 1:12:58
  something about like the countless medical procedures,
• 1:13:01
  but it doesn't seem like most of them, at least the ones that we
• 1:13:04
  can see from Fancy's medical records that she has seems like
• 1:13:08
  I. Don't know what she's talking
• 1:13:09
  about. That's one of the most blatant,
• 1:13:11
  obvious lies is Gypsy says that there was hundreds of
• 1:13:16
  unnecessary medical procedures and yet whenever we look at the
• 1:13:24
  diagram she made herself of her own scars, there's about 12 or
• 1:13:30
  13, which coincides with those records that Fancy put out.
• 1:13:35
  And we also know three or four of those were procedures on her
• 1:13:40
  eyes that if Dee Dee hadn't had done, Gypsy would be cross eyed
• 1:13:45
  from what we understand. From what I understand, yeah.
• 1:13:50
  And again, that's assuming that they even gave all the medical
• 1:13:54
  records to Fancy. But you would assume that they
• 1:13:58
  would have given the most damning ones to her, right?
• 1:14:01
  You would assume, yeah. So I don't know.
• 1:14:04
  And yeah, I just, I literally don't know what she is talking
• 1:14:09
  about here. Yeah, yeah, Dragon approved.
• 1:14:14
  I know she did it solely on mainstream media information and
• 1:14:18
  that it's taken down. It was a few days ago.
• 1:14:21
  But yeah, they're like some of the stuff that she's saying has
• 1:14:27
  been contradicted literally by Gypsy Rose herself in her memoir
• 1:14:33
  or, you know, in in later stuff. Which Gypsy has even stated
• 1:14:39
  herself that her memoir is a little incorrect.
• 1:14:43
  It's got some inaccuracies in there and it needs to be
• 1:14:45
  rewritten. And after she admitted all of
• 1:14:48
  that, she still accepted a nomination at Crime Con for Book
• 1:14:51
  of the Year for last year. So, and I have a lot of thoughts
• 1:14:57
  on Crime Con as of recently. I really do.
• 1:15:01
  I have a lot of thoughts on them and the people they bolster.
• 1:15:05
  I am kind of doing a deep dive on Chris Hansen.
• 1:15:07
  He can kiss my butt. He is not a good person at all.
• 1:15:12
  But she didn't need them because her mother said she did, and it
• 1:15:15
  would start with Gypsy's mouth. Now Dee Dee had two of Gypsy's
• 1:15:20
  salivary glands surgically removed.
• 1:15:23
  Now these are the glands that produce.
• 1:15:24
  They're removed or reduced. I don't know, but at least she
• 1:15:32
  said two there because Gypsy always says I don't have any
• 1:15:36
  salivary glands, which isn't true.
• 1:15:39
  I think there was a first DD had them injected with Botox trying
• 1:15:46
  to reduce the drilling. And that's kind of funny because
• 1:15:52
  considering Gypsy's current announcement that she is going
• 1:15:56
  to have Glotox done, the Botox injections that DD had done to
• 1:16:02
  try and stop her drilling, Gypsy said in one of her prison emails
• 1:16:10
  to a guy claiming it was from Brazil.
• 1:16:12
  She said, I've had a Brazilian Botox facelift.
• 1:16:17
  She tried to claim the Botox injections just drop her
• 1:16:21
  drooling as like a cosmetics procedure.
• 1:16:25
  Yeah. But yeah, there's, I don't know
• 1:16:28
  so much that she's saying here. It's like even if you just took
• 1:16:31
  mainstream information, like is she even, did she look at the
• 1:16:36
  things that Gypsy has said about this stuff even cause like so
• 1:16:39
  much is contradicted. And again, I'm not, I'm not
• 1:16:42
  dogging. Call me Chris here.
• 1:16:45
  It's very easy in a case that's this deep and layered,
• 1:16:49
  especially as deep as all of us have went into the details.
• 1:16:52
  It's very easy to miss so much stuff.
• 1:16:54
  But oh for sure. Saliva and that help protect
• 1:16:59
  your teeth and help you chew and help you swallow and guard your
• 1:17:02
  mouth against affection. And DD told doctors Gypsy
• 1:17:05
  drooled excessively so the glands came out and then.
• 1:17:10
  One more thing I do want to say real quick about the drooling.
• 1:17:13
  So something that I feel like I've heard Gypsy say before was
• 1:17:18
  the Ora gel about how like DD would put Ora gel in her mouth
• 1:17:21
  and make her drool. I haven't used ore gel in a
• 1:17:25
  minute, but especially when I lived down in Florida, I used to
• 1:17:27
  get canker sores all the time. I almost feel like it's
• 1:17:29
  something in the water. I don't know used to get canker
• 1:17:32
  sores once a week at least. And so I was a chronic user of
• 1:17:35
  ore gel and never did it really make me drool.
• 1:17:38
  And even the other day I got a bunch of surgery done.
• 1:17:42
  I got my wisdom teeth removed maybe a month or two ago, didn't
• 1:17:47
  really have a drooling problem, had a lot of other problems.
• 1:17:49
  Didn't really have a drooling problem.
• 1:17:51
  I the other day, like a week ago, got two different feelings
• 1:17:56
  and they really numbed up, you know, the right side of my
• 1:17:58
  mouth. I wasn't drooling though, you
• 1:18:02
  know. I could talk, couldn't feel my
• 1:18:06
  face, couldn't feel anything. But I still wasn't.
• 1:18:09
  Drooling. So I feel like, how do you force
• 1:18:13
  somebody to drool? I feel like Ora Joel does not do
• 1:18:16
  that. Yeah, well, and even with the
• 1:18:23
  the records that Fancy has put out, didn't they show Gypsy
• 1:18:28
  having like swallow tests and stuff like that for these things
• 1:18:32
  like there was? Oh, I believe I haven't looked
• 1:18:36
  at them too much. Person.
• 1:18:37
  Yeah, I don't know. I just, I feel like because
• 1:18:41
  they're out there and Christy, even though they went out there
• 1:18:45
  the way that they went out there, but they went out there
• 1:18:48
  directly from Christy and Gypsy's hand through fancy.
• 1:18:53
  I feel like for anyone to say, if they're going to definitively
• 1:18:58
  say, oh, the doctors just did everything just because Dee Dee
• 1:19:02
  was so southern and charming. I feel like they need to take a
• 1:19:06
  look at those before saying that conclusively and definitively.
• 1:19:10
  Like, if you're going to say that narrative, I feel like you
• 1:19:13
  need to look at those first and try to understand what's
• 1:19:16
  happening because I'm not going to pretend that I understand
• 1:19:18
  them perfectly. I'm not medically trained, but
• 1:19:21
  still, you can see on these tests whether they're saying
• 1:19:24
  that these things are positive or negative and what their
• 1:19:26
  further recommendation is. So yeah.
• 1:19:31
  And it wasn't just, well, mother says so like tests come back,
• 1:19:37
  you know, positive or negative, conclusive, inconclusive
• 1:19:40
  recommendations are made or not made based on those tests.
• 1:19:42
  So anyway, no I it's my little rant there.
• 1:19:47
  No, I totally get what you're saying.
• 1:19:48
  And then also insurance doesn't pay out for anything unless they
• 1:19:52
  absolutely have to. It's absolutely necessary.
• 1:19:55
  You know, when I got my wisdom teeth removed a couple months
• 1:19:58
  ago, they did not. They did not put me out.
• 1:20:04
  I was awake for it. And they were not going to give
• 1:20:07
  me laughing gas or anything until I started crying on the
• 1:20:10
  table and having a panic attack because they weren't going to
• 1:20:12
  give me anything. And then he started accusing me
• 1:20:14
  of just wanting to get high. And that's not what it was.
• 1:20:17
  It's just I need something to turn the edge off because I'm
• 1:20:19
  sorry you're removing 6 teeth because I had to get two extra
• 1:20:21
  teeth, 6 teeth from my freaking mouth.
• 1:20:23
  Of course I'm going to freak out a little bit.
• 1:20:25
  But anyway, I had to pay for the laughing gas, I had to pay for
• 1:20:32
  100% of laughing gas and I had to pay for a lot of the
• 1:20:34
  procedure. I ended up paying 400 something
• 1:20:36
  dollars for this procedure and I have insurance, you know.
• 1:20:42
  Yeah. Insurance doesn't pay for things
• 1:20:44
  unless you absolutely need them. Doctors do not do anything for
• 1:20:48
  you unless you absolutely need to have these things done most
• 1:20:52
  of the time. And there was never any lawsuits
• 1:20:55
  there, you know? There's a reason, in my opinion.
• 1:21:01
  There's obviously a reason why Gypsy Rose and Christy have said
• 1:21:07
  that they've tried several times to get an attorney to take on
• 1:21:11
  the case so they could sue some of these doctors and absolutely
• 1:21:15
  no attorney will touch it. I'm sure they bring them the
• 1:21:17
  medical records. Why won't they touch it if it
• 1:21:21
  was what they're saying here? I feel like any attorney would
• 1:21:24
  jump on that there. There would be good money in
• 1:21:26
  that if they did all these procedures, even if it's just
• 1:21:30
  the 13, not the hundreds that Gypsy and Melissa Moore tried to
• 1:21:33
  say they actually did all them just because Dee Dee was so
• 1:21:37
  charming. Some attorney would take that
• 1:21:39
  case. Didn't Mike Stanfield have a
• 1:21:43
  history of doing some kind of medical malpractice lawsuits?
• 1:21:46
  I don't know. I feel like I recall that.
• 1:21:48
  Don't quote me on that 100%, but you know, he's kind of MIAI
• 1:21:52
  don't really think he's. I.
• 1:21:54
  Think there might have been a falling out?
• 1:21:55
  I don't know. So anyway, but you know, to
• 1:22:01
  those who don't know, I've met Mike Stanfield.
• 1:22:04
  That was an interesting scenario.
• 1:22:06
  I mean, it wasn't like hi, hello, how are you or anything.
• 1:22:09
  It was very interesting. And the judge was like, what do
• 1:22:15
  you want me to do your job for you?
• 1:22:16
  So that's kind of how that went so.
• 1:22:18
  Yeah, when Mike filed Gypsy's lawsuit in the wrong
• 1:22:22
  jurisdiction because I guess he just thought Missouri would be
• 1:22:27
  starstruck to have something Gypsy Rose come back there.
• 1:22:30
  No, no, I don't want anything to do with her.
• 1:22:34
  No. And as someone who lives in a
• 1:22:37
  pretty prominent part of Missouri, there's people that
• 1:22:41
  are involved in the Gypsy Rose case that live in my town.
• 1:22:46
  A few of them actually. And nobody cares.
• 1:22:50
  Nobody gives 2 shits, not even a little bit.
• 1:22:52
  I talk to people and they're like, oh, that's cool, Laura.
• 1:22:58
  Anyway, the other day I don't. Even talk about Gypsy that much,
• 1:23:02
  I just talk about like if I'm doing something like specific
• 1:23:06
  and it's like worth noting and it's interesting.
• 1:23:09
  And my friend the other day was like, oh, it's Gypsy again.
• 1:23:11
  I was like no, no, no, no, no, not even a little bit.
• 1:23:16
  So anyway, we have not yet gotten through this first clip.
• 1:23:19
  Oh my God, we got to stop talking.
• 1:23:24
  And as Gypsy grew older, her teeth began to rot and decay, a
• 1:23:28
  predictable consequence of the surgeries and the medication and
• 1:23:31
  the neglect of a mouth that could no longer protect itself.
• 1:23:34
  And Dee Dee's explanation to the world was that it's the
• 1:23:37
  medication and it's her condition.
• 1:23:39
  And so her teeth were extracted. So she was a teenager losing
• 1:23:43
  damn near all her teeth. And then for Dee Dee, you know,
• 1:23:46
  every tooth that was pulled, it just made her look even more
• 1:23:49
  sick. So it was just better for Dee
• 1:23:51
  Dee. And not to mention, Gypsy was
• 1:23:53
  given power drugs daily for years, seizure medications,
• 1:23:57
  breathing treatments, drugs for conditions she never had.
• 1:24:01
  And medical experts would later describe this as its own form of
• 1:24:05
  torture. Because when you give a healthy
• 1:24:07
  child medication she doesn't need, her body will respond and
• 1:24:10
  it develops side effects like dependencies, real weakness and
• 1:24:15
  actual real deterioration. And the weakness becomes proof
• 1:24:20
  of the illness. So it's just all working against
• 1:24:22
  a Gypsy and, you know, she doesn't know any better.
• 1:24:25
  She's under the guise that her mom is taking care of her and
• 1:24:27
  that she actually is sick. And she probably feels really,
• 1:24:31
  really bad because she's being given this medication that makes
• 1:24:34
  her feel like shit. It's just, it's horrible, it's
• 1:24:38
  just the self perpetuating system in that the sicker the
• 1:24:41
  treatments made her, the sicker she appeared and felt and the
• 1:24:45
  sicker she appeared, the more treatments she would receive.
• 1:24:48
  And it's just this endless cycle.
• 1:24:50
  So not only did Gypsy feel awful and was being giving medication.
• 1:24:57
  Oh, is that all? Oh, that's all.
• 1:24:59
  OK, that's all from that clip. Was there anything?
• 1:25:03
  She's under the impression that Gypsy was severely drugged every
• 1:25:11
  single day of her childhood. And yeah, like, these strong
• 1:25:17
  medications every day going through through her body,
• 1:25:21
  through veins. Like, I don't know what she's
• 1:25:25
  talking about, you know? Yeah.
• 1:25:29
  We don't have real evidence of that like.
• 1:25:33
  For sure, for sure. OK, I'm going to play the next
• 1:25:38
  clip. Let's see.
• 1:25:40
  Needed surgery. She didn't need.
• 1:25:41
  Dee Dee also needed her to really look like she was sick.
• 1:25:46
  So Dee Dee would regularly shave Gypsy's scalp.
• 1:25:50
  And the explanation. Which it is interesting that
• 1:25:52
  Gypsy still cuts her hair but and in prison they say that she
• 1:25:57
  was just kind of taking the Clippers to her hair.
• 1:25:59
  Like toenail Clippers, y'all, just like, you know, I get it,
• 1:26:04
  girl. Like, you know, go through a
• 1:26:06
  breakup or something. You're really pissed off.
• 1:26:08
  You want to change your hair. Yeah, that's that's a, you know,
• 1:26:11
  that's a right of girlhood. OK, but I don't.
• 1:26:14
  Know that was one of the absolute creepiest things to me
• 1:26:17
  when out of prison, fully free on her own, she all of a sudden
• 1:26:21
  started clipping her hair and putting on wigs again.
• 1:26:25
  Not that wigs are bad, we all know I like wigs.
• 1:26:28
  But like, that was supposed to be part of her abuse, and turns
• 1:26:37
  out that's just the thing she likes to do.
• 1:26:40
  Yeah. Oh, it's your breath stinks.
• 1:26:42
  Holy moly. Smells like sardines.
• 1:26:44
  But yeah, I mean, that's definitely what it seems like.
• 1:26:48
  OK, let's see. She gave her daughter was, you
• 1:26:52
  know, almost gentle, and she would say your cancer medicine
• 1:26:55
  will make your hair fall out anyway, so I better do this
• 1:26:59
  regardless. But she did it because the
• 1:27:02
  shaved head was the single most visible symbol of Gypsies
• 1:27:06
  supposed illness. No one looks at a little girl in
• 1:27:09
  a wheelchair with a bare scalp and asks questions.
• 1:27:13
  So on top of the physical abuse, the medications and the
• 1:27:16
  surgeries and you know, even shaving her head and everything,
• 1:27:20
  that obviously has a, a major impact on a child.
• 1:27:25
  But I mean, the psychological impact, I can't even imagine.
• 1:27:29
  At least you can get yourself back into good health after
• 1:27:32
  that. But psychologically, that has to
• 1:27:34
  mess you up so bad because the mind is slower to heal from a
• 1:27:39
  lifetime of being told by the person you love most, the person
• 1:27:43
  the world calls a St. at this point, that you are not what you
• 1:27:47
  actually are. Starting with the most basic
• 1:27:50
  fact a person can know about themselves.
• 1:27:53
  And that is how old they are. Because Gypsy didn't know.
• 1:27:57
  Because. OK, so that's nothing.
• 1:27:59
  You're gonna have fun. So first and foremost, whenever
• 1:28:06
  Gypsy was arrested and it was in the interrogation footage, she
• 1:28:10
  was lying about her age and lying not mistaken because on
• 1:28:15
  her Medicaid card, I believe it has her real date of birth.
• 1:28:19
  It has all that stuff on it. She also when she went to visit
• 1:28:27
  Dan. Dan.
• 1:28:30
  Sorry, Dan. Gladwell.
• 1:28:32
  Dan Gladwell, there's too many people, OK?
• 1:28:34
  There's too many people, OK. When she went to go visit Dan,
• 1:28:37
  she had some of her identification, which also had
• 1:28:40
  her real age on it. And also, I'm sorry, when I was
• 1:28:43
  2 years old, if you told me that I was one, I would have
• 1:28:47
  corrected to you and been like, no, I am 2 years old and three
• 1:28:52
  months and two days or you know, like however much you know, I
• 1:28:55
  knew how old I was. So the only way you could get
• 1:29:00
  somebody to not know how old they are is if they are mentally
• 1:29:05
  impaired in my personal opinion. Yeah, and we also know from the
• 1:29:09
  FOIA video, she knew how old she was.
• 1:29:12
  She lied to Nick initially about how old she was.
• 1:29:15
  She made herself 18. And then she started admitting
• 1:29:19
  eventually, well, this personality is this age.
• 1:29:22
  This one is this age. Once a little girl, my real age
• 1:29:26
  is, you know, 2223. Yeah, no, totally.
• 1:29:30
  You know, Dragon, Approve said. Try to tell a 10 year old
• 1:29:33
  they're 7, they will get ya. And you know, Dee Dee was
• 1:29:37
  raising Gypsy to be smart from what I can see.
• 1:29:41
  Like there's that famous clip of her being like a literal infant.
• 1:29:45
  She's like, OK, show them your phalanges and your cranium.
• 1:29:48
  And those are words that I know, but like, I have to think about
• 1:29:52
  it to know those words. You know what I mean?
• 1:29:54
  Like they're not just words that you think of automatically.
• 1:29:58
  So she knew what was up. I don't think that Dee Dee was
• 1:30:02
  not educating her in any way. And I don't know if this is
• 1:30:07
  something that's brought up in this video.
• 1:30:08
  I can't remember. I saw it.
• 1:30:10
  It's been a minute or not. It's been a minute.
• 1:30:12
  But it anyway it doesn't matter. But Gypsy was in school at some
• 1:30:20
  point in time. Correct.
• 1:30:24
  Yeah, very early on. I don't think it was like, you
• 1:30:27
  know, she was in middle school, in high school or anything like
• 1:30:29
  that, Like she never got put in any.
• 1:30:31
  Sort of school. Yeah, in Louisiana, very early
• 1:30:35
  on. She was in school for a little
• 1:30:36
  bit, I think it was. I think she might have went to a
• 1:30:40
  private. 2nd grade perhaps? Catholic school, I don't know, I
• 1:30:44
  can't remember. Yeah.
• 1:30:46
  And Maria's only hen says that she read Harry Potter, which is
• 1:30:50
  true. And Harry Potter is a, it's a
• 1:30:53
  big book, you know, And I'd always say that if she knew what
• 1:30:56
  her cranium and phalanges were, she was probably ahead of the
• 1:30:59
  other, you know, 567 year olds. Gypsy claims she taught herself
• 1:31:03
  how to read by reading Harry Potter.
• 1:31:05
  I don't believe that for a second, no.
• 1:31:08
  I'd be very hard. I taught myself how to read kind
• 1:31:12
  of kind of, I don't know. I remember I went to it was like
• 1:31:17
  Bob's Carpet Mart or Bob's carpet something or another.
• 1:31:22
  Anyway, I went in there and I looked at the floor and I saw
• 1:31:26
  the big Bob thing and I was like not even a year old and I was
• 1:31:29
  like Bob, does Bob the Tomato live here?
• 1:31:31
  And my parents are like what? Bob the Tomato from Veggietales,
• 1:31:35
  y'all? I don't care if you look at my
• 1:31:37
  repost on TikTok, I would say like at least every like third
• 1:31:44
  repost. Something about veggie tales
• 1:31:46
  that I keep saying. People keep making these veggie
• 1:31:48
  tales memes anyway. Very kelp my veggie tales
• 1:31:53
  mentioned that is still I love veggie tales I have
• 1:31:57
  deconstructed but Veggie tales is my shit.
• 1:32:02
  See my my TikTok cringe that I get, you know, is that I love
• 1:32:09
  our 80s NASCAR clips of Dale Earnhardt senior.
• 1:32:15
  Oh, really? That's I'm a redneck.
• 1:32:17
  I am a big O hillbilly. Yeah, I love NASCAR.
• 1:32:20
  I love that for you. We have something fine by
• 1:32:24
  someone from NASCAR at my job. So anyway, OK, I'm going to keep
• 1:32:30
  oh oh, at my church, all the counselors are dressed as Veggie
• 1:32:33
  Tales characters. You know, something I've been
• 1:32:35
  saying recently is people have been doing Veggietales drag
• 1:32:40
  shows. Oh my God, that's hilarious.
• 1:32:42
  That is like my have you, have you seen?
• 1:32:46
  I mean, I'm sure you know what it is, but have you ever seen
• 1:32:48
  Veggietales? No, I've never watched it.
• 1:32:50
  OK, cuz I know that would have been like a little bit after
• 1:32:52
  your time and I know you probably weren't watching a lot
• 1:32:54
  of TV as a kid anyway, but yeah, no.
• 1:32:57
  TV allowed No. TV allowed, but yeah, man, I'll
• 1:33:01
  tell you, Veggietales is my shit.
• 1:33:03
  And I even think that the creator of that kind of
• 1:33:06
  deconstructed as well, Barbara Manatee.
• 1:33:09
  Yes, sorry. Anyway, I had to go off with a
• 1:33:11
  little Veggie Tales tangent. I'm a really easy person.
• 1:33:14
  If you want to get me something and just get me something,
• 1:33:16
  Veggie Tales, get me something ET or get me something health
• 1:33:20
  related or give me something with tasteful nudity.
• 1:33:23
  Tasteful, tasteful. And then you got me.
• 1:33:25
  I'm pretty easy to buy for SO. Anyway, Laura has one of my
• 1:33:30
  paintings hanging up that has a lot of tasteful beauty in it.
• 1:33:33
  I do. It's the, the, the.
• 1:33:36
  No. I know what it is.
• 1:33:38
  Perpetual. No indulgence.
• 1:33:41
  Perpetual indulgence. What?
• 1:33:43
  What is it called again? It is a portrait of a very small
• 1:33:48
  piece, A Study of the Garden of Earthly Delights by Hieronymus
• 1:33:52
  Bosch. That's what it was.
• 1:33:54
  I don't know what I was thinking of here.
• 1:33:56
  Yes. You were thinking of me telling
• 1:33:58
  you about whenever I met these Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence
• 1:34:02
  drag queen troupe when I was in California.
• 1:34:05
  OK, yeah, cuz I've, I've met the sisters.
• 1:34:08
  That's what I'm thinking of. OK, yeah, we're and everything.
• 1:34:12
  I've met the sister. I remember I saw them at Pride
• 1:34:14
  last year and I was like, Oh my God.
• 1:34:17
  They're like. Thanks.
• 1:34:19
  And I'm like oh every. Time I commit.
• 1:34:22
  A pride. I try to make friends and it
• 1:34:24
  just doesn't. Work out anyway.
• 1:34:26
  That's besides the point. We're not going to talk about my
• 1:34:28
  problems, so I'm going to press play again, y'all?
• 1:34:30
  DD kept falsified birth certificates, just documents,
• 1:34:34
  shaving years off her daughter's real age.
• 1:34:37
  And as Gypsy grew, the number, DD told the world simply stopped
• 1:34:41
  keeping pace with reality. Which is crazy.
• 1:34:45
  And the number she told Gypsy wasn't much better because since
• 1:34:49
  she's been force feeding her daughter medications after
• 1:34:51
  medications and not eating properly, eating out of a
• 1:34:55
  feeding tube that was surgically placed into her stomach.
• 1:34:58
  She was a pretty frail little girl, so it made it more
• 1:35:01
  believable that she was younger than what she actually was.
• 1:35:05
  And not to mention Dee Dee also said that Gypsy just had the
• 1:35:09
  mind of a 7 year old. And that single lie, explains
• 1:35:13
  the childlike voice Gypsy was encouraged to use.
• 1:35:17
  And it kind of excused her from every adult conversation.
• 1:35:21
  She was encouraged to use a childlike voice.
• 1:35:23
  What's she doing now? Right.
• 1:35:26
  And Gypsy claimed in her memoir that the whole reason why that
• 1:35:34
  she had to have Dee Dee taken out was because Dee Dee wanted
• 1:35:38
  exploratory Dee done on her voice to explain that voice,
• 1:35:46
  that high, chirpy voice. And and Gypsy was like, no, I
• 1:35:49
  like my voice. So like the her stuff that she's
• 1:35:54
  saying in her conclusions even go against what Gypsy herself
• 1:35:58
  says would happen Like and and it's and it's pro Gypsy, but
• 1:36:02
  like it it doesn't line up with hardly anything.
• 1:36:07
  And I really like this girl too. I feel like she tried her best
• 1:36:10
  here. This is just a very layered,
• 1:36:13
  nuanced case. It's it's not an onion, it's
• 1:36:16
  like a cluster of onions. Oh for sure, right here, Cosmic
• 1:36:20
  W 17 said. What's the point of doing this
• 1:36:22
  if she knew she had the wrong info and took it down?
• 1:36:25
  I don't think she knew she had the wrong info.
• 1:36:27
  I don't think she did this. Oh, she means what's the point
• 1:36:31
  of us reacting to her if she knew she had the wrong info and
• 1:36:34
  took it down? We want to help her.
• 1:36:37
  We want to. We hope that she sees this and
• 1:36:39
  that she'll see like our extra information and corrections.
• 1:36:43
  We're not doing this just to dog her out or anything for being
• 1:36:46
  wrong. We we hope that like she'll find
• 1:36:49
  the information useful. Yeah, and I don't the only there
• 1:36:56
  are only two criticisms that I have period about all of this.
• 1:37:00
  If you just look at it, look at it from her perspective and not
• 1:37:04
  of the perspective of someone who's been looking at this shit
• 1:37:07
  for two years straight. You know, one would be like,
• 1:37:11
  yeah, kind of what is the point of this video?
• 1:37:14
  Because I feel like she kind of goes over pretty much everything
• 1:37:18
  that everybody else has. So I don't think there's
• 1:37:20
  anything, well, I think she did it really well.
• 1:37:22
  I don't think there's anything particularly remarkable about
• 1:37:25
  the information she presents. But also too would be the FOIA
• 1:37:29
  videos went really freaking viral.
• 1:37:32
  And it's like, how did she do all this research on Gypsy and
• 1:37:35
  she didn't come across any of it?
• 1:37:39
  I bet she, honestly, I bet she just has a team that does it and
• 1:37:43
  presents it. She kind of does some skimming
• 1:37:45
  and verification and, you know, if she verified all this stuff
• 1:37:48
  by checking mainstream media sources after she got it from
• 1:37:51
  her team, it probably seemed pretty correct.
• 1:37:54
  But yeah, we we don't have a problem with Call Me Chris.
• 1:37:59
  We're just trying to help her out with her information.
• 1:38:02
  No, she seems like a really nice person.
• 1:38:03
  I've known who she was for probably since about the
• 1:38:06
  pandemic or whatever. And I'm not like a super like
• 1:38:11
  avid viewer of hers or anything. I've seen things here and there,
• 1:38:14
  but my mom's a pretty pretty good fan of her.
• 1:38:17
  She she really enjoys her content a lot.
• 1:38:19
  So I've never heard of her or come across her stuff, but I
• 1:38:22
  have. I didn't realize she was married
• 1:38:24
  to Oompaville because I do see Oompaville's documentary
• 1:38:27
  sometimes. It covers things I'm interested
• 1:38:29
  in. Yeah, I quite like Oompaville,
• 1:38:31
  Somebody I used to work with that I'm not like super close
• 1:38:33
  to. But occasionally we'll send each
• 1:38:35
  other memes. I'm like, you wouldn't believe I
• 1:38:37
  was like, Oompaville's wife commented.
• 1:38:40
  Or she did this whole thing anyway.
• 1:38:43
  Yeah, no, Matt, props to her though.
• 1:38:46
  She's she does good. The videos are good.
• 1:38:50
  This video is well produced. It's well written.
• 1:38:55
  I am a little curious as to how some of these things weren't
• 1:38:58
  seen by somebody, even if it was her team or were ignored or
• 1:39:03
  maybe they were just trying to. I don't even think it was paint
• 1:39:05
  a narrative, but it's like there's a lot of crazy
• 1:39:08
  conspiracies about a lot of different cases and nobody ever
• 1:39:13
  wants to question a victim. And I don't, I don't want to
• 1:39:15
  question a victim. And like I said before, there's
• 1:39:17
  certain things that I think Gypsy might have been a victim
• 1:39:20
  of. Do I think that her mom was
• 1:39:24
  doing all the things that she says?
• 1:39:27
  Not really, no. Well, I think a point I've made
• 1:39:31
  so often, and I'll just go ahead and make again real quick since
• 1:39:34
  we might have new viewers in here, since we're talking about
• 1:39:38
  a big channel, a point I've made really often is in Southwest
• 1:39:42
  Missouri, where Gypsy and Dee Dee were.
• 1:39:45
  That's where I'm from, where I was born and raised, where my
• 1:39:47
  family is. There are a lot of very, very
• 1:39:54
  conservative cloistered cults in southwest Missouri.
• 1:39:59
  There are, and some of them are classified as religions, not
• 1:40:03
  cults. I'm not trying to be rude here.
• 1:40:06
  But some of them, like we have a very large Amish and Mennonite
• 1:40:11
  community. Those children grow up dressing
• 1:40:16
  like Laura Ingalls Welder. They have to go to Amish
• 1:40:19
  schools. They're not allowed media and
• 1:40:22
  stuff like that. And a lot of the things that
• 1:40:26
  they're deprived of have a crossover to what Gypsy was
• 1:40:30
  deprived of. She wasn't allowed to go to
• 1:40:33
  school, she wasn't allowed to dress just exactly however she
• 1:40:38
  wanted and things like that. And none of those kids are
• 1:40:43
  killing their parents. No, I ran into a little Amish
• 1:40:48
  boy today. I didn't realize he's a little
• 1:40:50
  Amish boy, but he was just crawling and like, I just saw.
• 1:40:52
  And I was like, oh, where are your parents?
• 1:40:55
  And I was like, oh, and then all of a sudden they snatched him
• 1:40:58
  up. I was like, man, I thought we
• 1:40:59
  had a runner over here. Yeah, and, you know, I've
• 1:41:03
  shared, too. It wasn't the Amish community,
• 1:41:05
  but I was also raised in a, you know, a very conservative,
• 1:41:09
  cloistered environment. I had to dress like Laura
• 1:41:11
  Ingalls Wilder, grown up. I was homeschooled after second
• 1:41:14
  grade and all that, and I ran off from home at 17.
• 1:41:18
  I couldn't take it anymore. It was too much.
• 1:41:20
  It was too hard, too black, and I just wanted to be normal.
• 1:41:25
  So whenever, you know, Gypsy's defenders like Bree and people
• 1:41:29
  like that say things like, listen, Gypsy did it 'cause she
• 1:41:33
  wanted to be normal, she wanted to be a normal girl.
• 1:41:36
  I understand that desire deeply, but you just don't get to do
• 1:41:40
  murder for that. You believe and do it the proper
• 1:41:43
  ways. So whenever, you know, I hear
• 1:41:46
  this lady and other people who are brand new to the story, they
• 1:41:50
  start talking about, oh, you know, she had a dress this way
• 1:41:55
  and she wasn't allowed this in isolation and no friends and
• 1:41:59
  stuff. It's like that's a lot of kids
• 1:42:01
  in southwest Missouri for a lot of different reasons.
• 1:42:04
  Nobody is excusing would excuse them killing their parents about
• 1:42:09
  it, you know. I would totally agree.
• 1:42:14
  I would totally agree. And whenever we went to Crime
• 1:42:18
  Con in 2025 in Denver, I talked to Mike King.
• 1:42:24
  Mike King is one of the detectives that helped take down
• 1:42:29
  Warren Jeffs, the FLDS fundamentalist Latter Day Saints
• 1:42:34
  polygamist group that was marrying 40 and 50.
• 1:42:40
  Eleven 1213 year old girls to 80 year old men.
• 1:42:43
  Like just tons of them and all this stuff, child marriage and
• 1:42:46
  crazy. And I asked Mike King, I was
• 1:42:50
  like, is there any documented incident of any FLDS child
• 1:42:56
  murdering their parents to get away?
• 1:42:58
  And he said no, I don't know of a single one.
• 1:43:03
  Yeah, if the FLDS or the LDS or anything cult related is
• 1:43:08
  something that you might be interested in, we have a few
• 1:43:10
  different interviews, one even from a couple weeks ago from
• 1:43:14
  someone who goes by Culty Steph. She's somebody who has been
• 1:43:17
  involved in the chip first. I'm not going to expose her name
• 1:43:19
  on here, not because it's a secret, but because she said
• 1:43:21
  she's a little embarrassed of of it or whatever.
• 1:43:25
  But somebody you guys are probably, some of you guys are
• 1:43:28
  probably interacted with and what not.
• 1:43:29
  But she talks a little bit about that.
• 1:43:31
  And she also did a interview with Jade and Jeff's about a
• 1:43:35
  couple months ago. Who is Warren Jeff's son or at
• 1:43:37
  least one of Warren Jeff's sons. But yeah, like you said, it's
• 1:43:43
  very interesting. There's nobody else who's an MVP
• 1:43:47
  survivor or somebody who's from the FLDS or any of these other
• 1:43:52
  niche groups that have really done the same thing.
• 1:43:57
  And one of the people that Gypsy really latched on to in prison
• 1:44:00
  was Amelia Byrd, somebody who did.
• 1:44:05
  A very similar crime, and whenever Gypsy got out of prison
• 1:44:08
  and started advocating her advocacy for MVP was basically
• 1:44:14
  her awkwardly reading off a Wikipedia definition of it and
• 1:44:20
  being like if you see something say something kind of thing.
• 1:44:23
  The only advocacy she ever attempted to do where it seemed
• 1:44:27
  like she really gave a shit and was actually energetically into
• 1:44:32
  it and cared was when she advocated to get Amelia Byrd out
• 1:44:35
  of prison for the exact same crime.
• 1:44:39
  Which advocated like once or twice for Amelia, then never
• 1:44:43
  brought it up again. From what I from what I
• 1:44:45
  understand, I don't believe that they're on good terms at the
• 1:44:48
  moment. Oh really?
• 1:44:50
  I heard they were a few months ago but have they fell out
• 1:44:53
  again? Maybe they just had a falling
• 1:44:56
  out a few a while ago and maybe they got back together.
• 1:44:59
  I don't know. I'm not going to pretend like
• 1:45:01
  I'm up to date on all of the drama because I really am not.
• 1:45:06
  But I know at least at one point they're kind of having issues.
• 1:45:09
  And that Amelia's girlfriend at the time was it Zora?
• 1:45:15
  Zara, she said that Amelia kind of accused Gypsy of stealing
• 1:45:21
  parts of her story. I remember that.
• 1:45:25
  And I don't recall what parts it was, but that's just what was
• 1:45:31
  said. Yeah.
• 1:45:34
  Yeah, so with this video, when I moved my mouse pad, it
• 1:45:38
  accidentally switched I think maybe to another video.
• 1:45:43
  So it might be cutting things out.
• 1:45:46
  OK, maybe I should. Go back real quick.
• 1:45:48
  Needed surgery she didn't need. As it's 9 minutes, I'm going to
• 1:45:52
  go to about right here and see what it says.
• 1:45:57
  It's monitored and the Internet, when it existed at the house at
• 1:46:01
  all, was completely supervised, so the.
• 1:46:04
  Which I already was saying was completely supervised.
• 1:46:07
  Hold on, I'm going to have a little bit and let her say that
• 1:46:10
  and then I'll because I have some thoughts about that.
• 1:46:12
  Let her say that with the cool chest, OK?
• 1:46:15
  Yeah, and again, we're not making fun of Chris, you know?
• 1:46:17
  No, we're not. We're we're totally cool with
• 1:46:20
  Chris. It's just, yeah, some of the
• 1:46:22
  information is a little bit Girl, come on, like simply.
• 1:46:26
  Stopped keeping. For sure.
• 1:46:28
  In pace with reality, which is crazy.
• 1:46:31
  And the number she told Gypsy wasn't much better because since
• 1:46:35
  she's been force feeding her daughter medications after
• 1:46:37
  medications and not eating properly, eating out of a
• 1:46:41
  feeding tube that was surgically placed into her stomach.
• 1:46:44
  She was a pretty frail little girl, so it made it more
• 1:46:47
  believable that she was younger than what she actually was and
• 1:46:51
  not. Also, for the record, I looked
• 1:46:53
  more frail at 20 than she looked at the time of her arrest.
• 1:46:56
  To mention, Didi also said that Gypsy just had the kind of a 7
• 1:47:01
  year old and that single lie explains the childlike voice
• 1:47:06
  Gypsy was encouraged to use and it kind of excused her from
• 1:47:10
  every adult conversation. And most importantly, it meant
• 1:47:13
  no one ever needed to ask Gypsy anything because her mother
• 1:47:18
  would do the talking. So at doctor's appointments, Dee
• 1:47:21
  Dee sat beside her daughter and held her hand and everyone in
• 1:47:25
  the room. It looked like comfort, but
• 1:47:27
  Gypsy would later describe what it actually was.
• 1:47:29
  And that was just a like a a squeeze of the hand meant to
• 1:47:32
  stay quiet. Shut up.
• 1:47:35
  In that I'll answer. So the control ran through every
• 1:47:38
  hour of her life, her food, what she ate, whether whether she ate
• 1:47:42
  and her appearance, the clothes, the shaved head, the weight, her
• 1:47:46
  social world. Gypsy basically was allowed to
• 1:47:48
  have no friends and there was no school, as we've talked about
• 1:47:53
  past the second grade and no job, no mail.
• 1:47:57
  She could even open herself and the phone was monitored.
• 1:48:00
  No mail. Something about the mail that
• 1:48:03
  was found. Like a mile or.
• 1:48:05
  Two, she totally stole Dede's mail and she also intercepted
• 1:48:12
  Facebook messages from Dan's mom and his girlfriends and stuff
• 1:48:16
  like that to Dede deleting them so Dede wouldn't see him like oh
• 1:48:21
  Chris like. Proven y'all like documented
• 1:48:25
  boya stuff. So who again?
• 1:48:29
  I mean, you know, Murray Kell said something.
• 1:48:33
  I think the ACT ended up spreading this narrative like
• 1:48:35
  wildfire, which is exactly true. Like I said, my boyfriend and I,
• 1:48:37
  we are my ex. Boyfriend.
• 1:48:39
  I've never seen the ACT. You know, my mom and I started
• 1:48:43
  watching it again like a few weeks ago.
• 1:48:46
  We didn't finish it, but it's like looking at it with this set
• 1:48:50
  of eyes, it's like hilariously overdramatic.
• 1:48:55
  Like, you know, I knew it was a little overdramatic at the time.
• 1:49:00
  Like I'm like, oh, you know, I mean, it's a dramatization.
• 1:49:03
  And especially after I remember sitting, oh God, I remember
• 1:49:10
  sitting on the couch and I was reading this article to my
• 1:49:13
  ex-boyfriend and I was like, I was like, Oh my goodness.
• 1:49:18
  You know, I just read this thing here and it says that Gypsy's
• 1:49:21
  family is really disappointed in the ACT, but thank goodness they
• 1:49:24
  found this, you know, independent.
• 1:49:27
  Producer. Who's going to treat them right?
• 1:49:30
  Who's? Going to do their story the
• 1:49:32
  right way which. Who?
• 1:49:37
  Did I not know the shit I was going to get myself into a few
• 1:49:40
  years later? So anyway, yeah, I knew it was a
• 1:49:44
  little dramatic, but I didn't think that it was like that bad.
• 1:49:47
  But I would recommend that if you have Hulu, only if you
• 1:49:50
  already have Hulu, just, you know, give up these couple
• 1:49:52
  episodes of Watch and I don't know if you'll even be able to
• 1:49:56
  get through the whole thing. It's kind of funny.
• 1:49:57
  So anyway. Maybe I'll, maybe I'll do a live
• 1:50:01
  stream and be like, OK, we can all hit.
• 1:50:04
  I can't show it. We can all hit play at the same
• 1:50:06
  time and laugh at it together in the chat.
• 1:50:10
  Through or you can get like a Patreon or something.
• 1:50:12
  I don't know if they limit what you're able to do on Patreon
• 1:50:14
  like that like they would on YouTube, but maybe you.
• 1:50:17
  Can watch gotcha. Party, But yeah, no, I I feel
• 1:50:20
  you. It's very, very interesting.
• 1:50:23
  So I'm going to press play again.
• 1:50:25
  We're only on clip two out of like four or five.
• 1:50:27
  Oh no, we're talking too much. No, but I mean, it's good
• 1:50:31
  though. We're only talking about what,
• 1:50:34
  you know, what we're supposed to do, you know, like clarify the
• 1:50:38
  issues. So anyway.
• 1:50:41
  On the Internet, when it existed at the house at all, was
• 1:50:45
  completely supervised, so the. Which another thing y'all?
• 1:50:50
  Unfortunately, unfortunately in these FOIA videos there were
• 1:50:55
  videos that were sent that were not supposed to be sent.
• 1:50:58
  OK, there are 45 minute long videos of Gypsy in the middle of
• 1:51:06
  her living room with no horde by the way, and no blockage on the
• 1:51:12
  windows, a lot of light coming through.
• 1:51:15
  She's completely nude for 45 minutes.
• 1:51:20
  What is the? Supervision was minimal.
• 1:51:23
  There are videos of her touching herself in Dee Dee's bed.
• 1:51:26
  OK, I don't know what to say. I don't know what to say.
• 1:51:32
  And I understand, Like my parents, they went through my
• 1:51:34
  phone. Last time I got my phone taken
• 1:51:36
  was at the age of 19, OK, They were going through my that's a
• 1:51:42
  whole nother story. Anyway, So my parents were going
• 1:51:45
  through my phone. They were paying attention to
• 1:51:47
  stuff, OK. And there were still things that
• 1:51:49
  I did that they didn't know about, but I sure as hell was
• 1:51:52
  not naked in the middle of my living room for 45 minutes.
• 1:51:56
  OK. I tried to sell feet pics when I
• 1:51:58
  was like 19 and my parents found my account just there and they
• 1:52:00
  recognized the background of my room.
• 1:52:02
  You know what I mean? Like they know, they know what's
• 1:52:04
  going. On, you know.
• 1:52:06
  Like and, and they were people that were on top of me and they
• 1:52:08
  still didn't know everything. So again, there's certain things
• 1:52:12
  that you can get away with that your parents won't know, but not
• 1:52:16
  in this regard, Not the way that they describe DD's watchful eye,
• 1:52:23
  I suppose. Yeah, everybody believe that
• 1:52:27
  Gypsy didn't have a single thought to herself.
• 1:52:30
  And no, no, no, no. The foyers show so much
• 1:52:34
  different. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:52:37
  So I'm going to, I'm going to go again.
• 1:52:39
  The world outside was just sealed off from Gypsy.
• 1:52:44
  And I think a question a lot of people ask about this case is
• 1:52:47
  like, how didn't Gypsy know? And I feel like the answer is
• 1:52:51
  pretty simple and that she was just brainwashed, but also that
• 1:52:54
  she obviously knew at some point.
• 1:52:57
  And then that's what exactly what made the rest.
• 1:53:00
  So I know that Dee Dee knew at least by 2011.
• 1:53:03
  So effective because Gypsy knew she could walk because she did
• 1:53:07
  it inside the house. When?
• 1:53:09
  And again, I forgot, we're operating like nobody knows
• 1:53:13
  what's going on and we're just completely new to the story or
• 1:53:16
  whatever. But 2011 is when in the video
• 1:53:20
  with a pink dress, she clarifies telling Nick that she can walk
• 1:53:24
  and that her mom has known about it since at least 2011.
• 1:53:28
  When did she say that she caught her?
• 1:53:30
  I don't remember. Like she.
• 1:53:31
  She said that she said that she had a seizure and was in the
• 1:53:34
  hospital for six months and they told her that a paralysis was
• 1:53:38
  permanent but it was temporary. And she didn't tell her mom when
• 1:53:42
  she got feeling back in her legs because she was afraid her mom
• 1:53:46
  wouldn't love her as much. So I don't necessarily believe
• 1:53:51
  all that's 100% true, but I do think that Gypsy was
• 1:53:55
  mullingering with her own health conditions.
• 1:53:59
  Yes, that's what it seems like. No one else was watching, and
• 1:54:04
  she knew she could eat solid food.
• 1:54:06
  But the leukemia and the chromosomal disorder, she had no
• 1:54:10
  way to test those against reality.
• 1:54:12
  So she knew she could do some things, but she didn't know she
• 1:54:15
  wasn't sick. So she's probably just like, oh,
• 1:54:18
  mom knows best, you know, And you're just a kid.
• 1:54:21
  Yeah, you don't know any better. And years later, in her e-book
• 1:54:24
  released, Gypsy described her role in her mother's production
• 1:54:27
  in the language of show business, the press interviews,
• 1:54:31
  the charity events. Dee Dee did the talking well.
• 1:54:34
  Gypsy waited. Just can you pause waiting for a
• 1:54:38
  cue like a no. No, I'm just.
• 1:54:42
  Saying sorry sullen beauty we we're two hours into our live
• 1:54:48
  stream, but we're probably only what, like 1520 minutes into her
• 1:54:53
  we're about. 20 ish minutes into.
• 1:54:56
  Her, yeah, because we, we've been talking a lot because we
• 1:54:58
  get annoyed and start saying stuff.
• 1:55:01
  We're not annoyed with her herself.
• 1:55:04
  We like her. We want to help her.
• 1:55:06
  We're just annoyed with the information in the mainstream
• 1:55:09
  media narrative. Yeah.
• 1:55:11
  And the fact that again, like even if it was just her team,
• 1:55:13
  it's like how did they not find at least one or two of.
• 1:55:18
  The foyers or a little bit of something or even like the stuff
• 1:55:22
  that parts of the the story that she's saying that even Gypsy
• 1:55:25
  herself contradicted in her 2024 memoir like.
• 1:55:31
  Yeah. That's not even going deep into,
• 1:55:35
  you know, a smaller channels, but like, you know, if you're
• 1:55:41
  just doing mainstream media sources, you think you would
• 1:55:44
  look at what Gypsy herself put out in her memoir anyway.
• 1:55:48
  It's just strange. Yeah, OK.
• 1:55:52
  I'll press play again. Stage mother Dee Dee fed her
• 1:55:55
  daughter lines like it's a dream come true.
• 1:55:59
  And my mom is my best friend. And through that script Gypsy
• 1:56:03
  wrote, her mother could finally taste the fame she'd always
• 1:56:06
  wanted. Because whatever movie was
• 1:56:08
  playing in Dee Dee's mind, Gypsy was never the star of it.
• 1:56:12
  As we know, she was just the prop.
• 1:56:15
  So in August of 2005, Hurricane Katrina tore into the Gulf Coast
• 1:56:20
  and over 1000 people died and hundreds of thousands more lost
• 1:56:24
  everything. It was one of the worst
• 1:56:26
  disasters in American history. But for DD Blanchard it was an
• 1:56:30
  opportunity. And in the chaos of the
• 1:56:33
  evacuation, D and tipsy surface shield.
• 1:56:35
  I'm putting on two time speed just so we can try and get
• 1:56:37
  through some of this. Is that cool?
• 1:56:39
  OK. Yeah, if anyone if anyone can't
• 1:56:42
  follow it, let me know and I'll slow it down for y'all.
• 1:56:44
  Where the story practically told itself.
• 1:56:46
  You know, the single mother in a wheelchair bound chronically
• 1:56:47
  I'll daughter washed out of their home with nothing but each
• 1:56:49
  other. Can you do one point?
• 1:56:51
  75 It is kind of hard to understand her words a little
• 1:56:54
  bit. I get an option from 5:00 but
• 1:56:57
  I'll do 1.25. Sorry, there is no.
• 1:57:00
  One or even 1.5 might be better. Let's try.
• 1:57:03
  With it, she said, every single one of Gypsy's medical records.
• 1:57:06
  So every. Can you understand that?
• 1:57:07
  Or should I go a little slower? OK, no, I think we get that.
• 1:57:10
  Sorry y'all, I'm not trying to be annoying I'm just trying to
• 1:57:13
  get there a little bit of this cause oopsie we talked.
• 1:57:15
  Specialist to Gypsy had ever seen.
• 1:57:17
  Every test that had come back clean, every note from a Doctor
• 1:57:19
  Who might have raised an eyebrow, all of it was now gone
• 1:57:22
  in an act of God that no one could question.
• 1:57:23
  And what Didi thought no one could check.
• 1:57:25
  So whatever came next, there would only be one source for
• 1:57:27
  Gypsy Rose Blanchard's medical history, and that would be Didi.
• 1:57:29
  So the pair would eventually make their way N to Missouri,
• 1:57:31
  first to the small town of Aurora and then to Springfield,
• 1:57:33
  MO. And Springfield did.
• 1:57:35
  What could communities do for a storm refugee and her dying
• 1:57:37
  little girl? And they embraced them. 2008,
• 1:57:40
  Habitat for Humanity built them a home of their own.
• 1:57:41
  And it was this little pink house on West Volunteer Way.
• 1:57:44
  And volunteers put it up with donated labor and donated
• 1:57:46
  materials, and they built it for Gypsy.
• 1:57:48
  There was a wheelchair ramp out front, everything on one level,
• 1:57:50
  even a hot tub, because Dee Dee said warm water soothed her
• 1:57:52
  daughter's aching muscles. Dee just wanted a hot tub.
• 1:57:54
  DDH. And the generosity kept coming.
• 1:57:56
  And in 2007, the Olay Foundation, a national charity
• 1:57:58
  supporting people who genuinely cannot eat without feeding
• 1:58:00
  tubes, named Gypsy Rose. It's child of the year, so she
• 1:58:03
  was held up as a symbol of the very community the foundation
• 1:58:05
  exists to serve. Not to mention the trips to
• 1:58:07
  Disney World. There was a wish trip as early
• 1:58:09
  as 2001 back in Louisiana and more after the move courtesy of
• 1:58:12
  Terry's Built to give dying children one perfect memory.
• 1:58:15
  And there were newspaper features and fundraisers and
• 1:58:17
  free flights, backstage passes, celebrity meet and greets.
• 1:58:19
  And obviously, none of these organizations did anything
• 1:58:20
  wrong. They didn't know any better.
• 1:58:21
  It was just DD taking advantage of her quote UN quote sick
• 1:58:24
  daughter. So by her late teens, Gypsy Rose
• 1:58:26
  Blanchard was one of the most beloved sick children in
• 1:58:28
  Southern Missouri. But in reality, she'd never
• 1:58:30
  really been sick a day in her life.
• 1:58:31
  But obviously, the story DD had built was never actually
• 1:58:33
  airtight. The system did come close to
• 1:58:35
  catching her more than once. And in 2007, DD brought Gypsy to
• 1:58:38
  a new special in Springfield, a pediatric neurologist named
• 1:58:41
  Doctor Bernardo Flasterstein. And on paper, it was just a
• 1:58:43
  routine visit, but it did not go the way Deedee had planned.
• 1:58:45
  And Flasterstein reviewed Gipsy's case.
• 1:58:47
  This teenager with muscular dystrophy, he confined to a
• 1:58:49
  wheelchair for years, and something just didn't add up.
• 1:58:51
  The Mris were normal, and the blood work was normal.
• 1:58:54
  So everywhere this disease should have left some
• 1:58:56
  fingerprints. There was just nothing.
• 1:58:57
  So he tried something really simple, and he just asked Gypsy
• 1:59:00
  to stand, and she did, out of the wheelchair on her own with
• 1:59:03
  no assistance. And then he noticed something
• 1:59:05
  that in a genuinely wheelchair about a patient, should have
• 1:59:07
  been impossible. And that is that Gypsy's legs
• 1:59:09
  were not atrophied. A person who truly cannot walk,
• 1:59:11
  whose muscles have gone unused for years, have visibly wasted
• 1:59:14
  legs. It's unavoidable.
• 1:59:15
  And Gypsy's leg muscles were normal.
• 1:59:17
  So to a neurologist, that's not a subtle clue.
• 1:59:19
  That is a giant red flag. So Flaster scene dug deeper, and
• 1:59:22
  he did what apparently no one in Missouri had done before.
• 1:59:24
  He just picked up the phone and called Gypsy's former providers
• 1:59:26
  in New Orleans. Because remember the records
• 1:59:28
  that were supposedly destroyed in in Katrina?
• 1:59:29
  Yeah, well, they weren't. They weren't actually.
• 1:59:31
  They existed. And they showed that years
• 1:59:33
  earlier. Gypsies muscle biopsy, the
• 1:59:34
  definitive test for muscular dystrophy, had come back
• 1:59:37
  negative. So the disease at the center of
• 1:59:38
  Gypsy's entire medical identity had been.
• 1:59:40
  Ruled out. Can you pause?
• 1:59:41
  Before the storm and in a letter to.
• 1:59:44
  Yes, what's? That OK, so she says
• 1:59:47
  Flasterstein does what no one else has ever done in Missouri.
• 1:59:50
  But Flasterstein wasn't the one who sent DFS there, was he?
• 1:59:56
  I'd be lying if I said that. I was he.
• 1:59:59
  I couldn't remember. OK, it might not matter.
• 2:00:01
  Go ahead. Yeah, sorry, I wish I knew, but
• 2:00:05
  yeah, no problem. Not always.
• 2:00:08
  Gypsy's primary care doctor, later obtained by ABC News the
• 2:00:10
  last 14, wrote it out in black and white and he said he
• 2:00:12
  believed the mother suffered from Munchausen spike.
• 2:00:14
  Also, real quick, Cherokee girl, I'm not saying that I believe
• 2:00:17
  the story about the cow tongue, but a cow tongue can't fit into
• 2:00:23
  a standard Mason jar. But I do have a Mason jar at my
• 2:00:26
  home that I could put into. Now again, I don't, I don't buy
• 2:00:30
  the story, but I don't know, just play devil's app.
• 2:00:34
  I think Gypsy made-up that story, but it wouldn't like it
• 2:00:40
  wouldn't be crazy for DD to try some voodoo because in Louisiana
• 2:00:44
  voodoo is not looked upon as it is anywhere else.
• 2:00:48
  Most people who are Christians do a little voodoo in Louisiana.
• 2:00:52
  I watched a video where it was kind of talking about how most
• 2:00:55
  of the Western world's view of voodoo is kind of based off of
• 2:01:00
  like racism from way back in the day, where they were just trying
• 2:01:04
  to kind of ostracize different people of different cultures.
• 2:01:06
  And I didn't, you know, research enough of it to know all the
• 2:01:11
  insurance and outs and stuff, but.
• 2:01:13
  Oh, I did deep research. I I go talk to the priestesses
• 2:01:16
  in New Orleans. Yeah, but it seems like a lot of
• 2:01:19
  that stuff is just kind of rooted from racism and not an
• 2:01:22
  understanding of other cultures, rather than it actually being
• 2:01:26
  like evil again, but. And also in a cow tongue
• 2:01:32
  absolutely would not in any kind of hoodoo or voodoo context,
• 2:01:41
  stop a relationship or stop love.
• 2:01:43
  A cow tongue in that context is to stop communication.
• 2:01:49
  Yeah, yeah. It's a different thing than the
• 2:01:53
  spell that she. Which is a thing that Gypsy was
• 2:01:56
  intentionally doing herself by deleting incoming messages to DD
• 2:02:01
  from Dan's mom and other people on her Facebook Messenger.
• 2:02:05
  So yeah, if anybody was trying to stop communication.
• 2:02:10
  No kidding. OK, we're going to try again.
• 2:02:13
  Proxy. So he had solved it in 2007, and
• 2:02:16
  Gypsy Rose at that point was 15 years old, though obviously she
• 2:02:18
  didn't know that. So one doctor in Springfield,
• 2:02:20
  MO, had the entire con figured out.
• 2:02:22
  But then nothing happened. Processing never reported his
• 2:02:24
  suspicions to social services, and he would later say he'd been
• 2:02:26
  warned by previous doctors to handle this family delicately,
• 2:02:28
  and that he doubted anyone, including law enforcement, would
• 2:02:30
  take his word over a devoted, beloved mother.
• 2:02:33
  Because they're, like, famous. Since Springfield needed
• 2:02:35
  surgery, she didn't need Who am I?
• 2:02:37
  That's another thing that she said real quick is that they
• 2:02:39
  were famous in Springfield. Now, I know your view might be a
• 2:02:42
  little bit skewed because you literally had family that were
• 2:02:46
  like super close to them and Aurora.
• 2:02:47
  So obviously we're hearing about them and stuff.
• 2:02:50
  I want to say it might have been Nancy from the Toll podcast that
• 2:02:54
  said, yeah, we knew who Gypsy was, but like local celebrities,
• 2:03:02
  kind of like, I don't know. Yeah, that's a.
• 2:03:06
  Little, little. I mean, you know, celebrity is a
• 2:03:12
  strong word at the same time, like you know, when somebody's
• 2:03:16
  always on go into things where the news is and stuff like that.
• 2:03:24
  Like, but like you said, my perspective might be skewed
• 2:03:28
  because I had friends who knew them.
• 2:03:31
  So because of that, anytime, you know, DD would post something
• 2:03:35
  public on Facebook when they were doing this or got
• 2:03:38
  interviewed for this or whatever, I would see it shared
• 2:03:42
  because I was friends with people who were friends with
• 2:03:44
  them who were sharing it. So it might have been more in my
• 2:03:48
  face a little more than other people.
• 2:03:50
  Yeah, that's why I'm like, not that I don't trust your
• 2:03:52
  judgement or whatever you have to say about it, but it's like,
• 2:03:55
  you know, you were also around people that were like actively
• 2:03:57
  putting themselves in their way or vice versa.
• 2:04:00
  So it's like, obviously you'd see it a little bit more than
• 2:04:03
  the average bear. So.
• 2:04:05
  I'm going to go to the next video now.
• 2:04:07
  Or Lou's Gypsy Rose, so you know, which one was it to make
• 2:04:13
  who found a captive girl or a captive girl who found someone
• 2:04:15
  she could finally control the way she was controlled by her
• 2:04:18
  own mother. And everything that happens next
• 2:04:20
  depends on that question, right? So by late 2014, the role play
• 2:04:23
  and the romance and. Sounds like it skipped
• 2:04:25
  something. Who am I to say?
• 2:04:28
  Indeed, it kind of did. Let me go here.
• 2:04:32
  That's why I said earlier it didn't look like it was as long
• 2:04:35
  as the video that I watched. So let me press.
• 2:04:40
  Some just to answer a comment real quick.
• 2:04:43
  Someone glam mom's backup says sorry I just joined as this
• 2:04:48
  video is still up. Or is it the one Chris took
• 2:04:50
  down? This is the one Chris took down.
• 2:04:52
  We were able to find where somebody clipped it.
• 2:04:55
  Yes, and it might not be the entire video, so I'm going to
• 2:04:58
  put on what I can and we'll go from there.
• 2:05:02
  He for her part, did what she always did when someone got too
• 2:05:04
  close and she just bad mouthed the doctor to everyone.
• 2:05:07
  Oh, shoot. Who am I to say?
• 2:05:12
  And Dee Dee he, for her part, did what she always did when
• 2:05:21
  someone got too close, and she just badmouthed the doctor to
• 2:05:23
  everyone who'd listen and simply never brought Gypsy back.
• 2:05:25
  So that window closed. And then two years later, in
• 2:05:28
  2009, it would open again. And someone, to this day no one
• 2:05:30
  knows who, called in an anonymous tip.
• 2:05:32
  And there were concerns about a mother and daughter at the Pink
• 2:05:34
  House. And this time, it wasn't a
• 2:05:36
  doctor's hunch. It was an official report.
• 2:05:37
  And it put two caseworkers on Dee Dee Blanchard's doorstep.
• 2:05:39
  So a state agency was basically inside the house.
• 2:05:42
  So the case workers would ask their questions to Dee Dee and
• 2:05:44
  Dee Dee would answer every single one of them.
• 2:05:45
  Remember, she's, you know, a trained nurse.
• 2:05:46
  She knows how to how to how to manipulate and she knows the
• 2:05:49
  lingo and she knows, you know, how to tell the story and make
• 2:05:51
  it look true. So they would believe her and
• 2:05:53
  they would leave and there would be no follow up and the case
• 2:05:55
  would be closed. So two times, Gypsy could have
• 2:05:57
  been saved from her mother, but the sister failed her.
• 2:05:59
  By her late teens, Gypsy Rose had begun to understand.
• 2:06:02
  Not everything, but enough. Enough to know that what her
• 2:06:04
  mother. Yes.
• 2:06:08
  So this is something I've been planning to do a video about
• 2:06:11
  pretty soon, but I've just been so exhausted lately.
• 2:06:13
  Like about all I can do is go live.
• 2:06:15
  I just don't have the energy to edit right now.
• 2:06:18
  But Gypsy didn't want to be saved from her mom.
• 2:06:23
  She wanted to be white knighted, saviored out to, as fancy
• 2:06:29
  Maselli loved to say, someone with AD.
• 2:06:36
  You know, you've read about the white knight.
• 2:06:38
  You know people say that in online argument sometimes, like
• 2:06:43
  why are you white knighting and stuff or the savior syndrome.
• 2:06:48
  She didn't want help the way normal people understand the
• 2:06:52
  word help and definitely not within the context of what you
• 2:06:56
  would think of a person being physically or medically abused
• 2:06:59
  by their parent. She wanted help in the sense of
• 2:07:05
  a white knight with a big D Mother of Cats 1515.
• 2:07:13
  Yeah, we we know she listened to everyone and took it down
• 2:07:16
  immediately. We agree.
• 2:07:17
  She's wonderful. We like her a lot.
• 2:07:19
  We are trying to help her out here by correcting things and
• 2:07:23
  give her more information. We hope she'll see this and be
• 2:07:25
  able to get the help. Absolutely.
• 2:07:29
  None of this is critical, it's just trying to help.
• 2:07:32
  And even if Chris doesn't see it herself, maybe somebody will and
• 2:07:36
  they'll come away with more information.
• 2:07:38
  And again, we, I've said this like two or three times in the
• 2:07:42
  stream already, but we don't know every single thing that
• 2:07:45
  happened here. We're just speaking from what we
• 2:07:47
  know from the FOIA's and from Gypsy's own mouth.
• 2:07:52
  They seem to contradict a lot, so OK.
• 2:07:57
  Told the world about her body, didn't match what her body told
• 2:07:59
  her, and enough to want desperately a way out.
• 2:08:02
  And the only window Gypsy really had to the outside world was it
• 2:08:04
  was really small. And those were really just fan
• 2:08:07
  conventions because Dede had been taking her to science
• 2:08:09
  fiction fantasy events for years.
• 2:08:10
  And it it sounds kind of strange until you realize how perfect
• 2:08:12
  those spaces were for the con. Crowds full of costumes and
• 2:08:15
  wheelchairs and people of every kind where a small bald girl
• 2:08:17
  drew no stairs at all. So Dede could play the devoted
• 2:08:19
  mother in public. But conventions are also full of
• 2:08:21
  people, and people talk to each other.
• 2:08:22
  Who would have thunk? In February of 2011, at a
• 2:08:24
  convention called Vision Con, and Gypsy slipped her mother's
• 2:08:26
  leash because she'd been secretly talking to a man she
• 2:08:28
  met online, a man named Dan, who was 20 years her senior.
• 2:08:32
  And at the convention, she got away long enough to end up in
• 2:08:34
  his hotel room. And then Dee Dee found them.
• 2:08:36
  And what she did next tells you everything about how deep this
• 2:08:39
  deception ran. She produced paperwork, a birth
• 2:08:42
  certificate showing that Gypsy was a minor, a child, And she
• 2:08:44
  threatened to call the police on Dan and the situation dissolved
• 2:08:46
  on the spot, but the document was falsified.
• 2:08:49
  Did she show a birth certificate?
• 2:08:51
  Is that a thing I. Don't remember ever hearing that
• 2:08:55
  part before. I thought I heard she just told
• 2:08:57
  him. I don't know, I might be wrong.
• 2:09:00
  I could be wrong too, but yeah. How do you fake a birth
• 2:09:05
  certificate? I mean, I'm sure it's possible.
• 2:09:07
  Well, what I heard was, and I think I heard this from, you
• 2:09:13
  know, it wasn't from reliable sources, but Rod Christie and
• 2:09:17
  Gypsy's story is Didi had that job for a little while where she
• 2:09:24
  was helped to restore pictures on the computer, photoshopping
• 2:09:28
  and restoring. And they said she was
• 2:09:29
  photoshopping the date, the birth date, basically on birth
• 2:09:36
  certificates and reprinting them.
• 2:09:38
  Now that stuff is usually printed on specific paper and
• 2:09:42
  has like seals pressed into them and stuff.
• 2:09:44
  I don't know. I don't know if I believe this
• 2:09:47
  and plus, and I think in the medical records that Fancy put
• 2:09:51
  out, didn't they have the right dates?
• 2:09:54
  Wasn't the wrong birth dates mainly to things like churches,
• 2:09:59
  charities, things like that? I know at least her Medicaid
• 2:10:02
  card had the correct date. Yeah, I don't think there was a
• 2:10:06
  lot of actual scamming of the system with official documents
• 2:10:11
  with a birth date and stuff like that.
• 2:10:13
  I think that if that happened, it was more for like, you know,
• 2:10:18
  local charity stuff, wanting to get Gypsy in as still a child or
• 2:10:22
  teenager. IA 100% believe that she lied to
• 2:10:26
  the public. Do I think she lied to the
• 2:10:28
  doctors? At least as far as the things
• 2:10:30
  that you can't really lie about very easily and get away with
• 2:10:34
  it. No, Do I think, you know, I
• 2:10:37
  think that she probably told all the neighbors and the friends
• 2:10:39
  and maybe even the TV, you know, that Gypsy was whatever age she
• 2:10:43
  was saying she was but or going through certain treatments, you
• 2:10:49
  know, but I don't think she was really out of pull the wool over
• 2:10:52
  the most of the doctor's eyes like that or any of.
• 2:10:55
  Them, yeah. And I mean, whenever it comes
• 2:10:56
  to, you know, the charities and stuff like that, I mainly say
• 2:10:59
  that because I, I know I saw, I think it's been put behind a
• 2:11:05
  paywall now, but there was some news stuff from right after Dee
• 2:11:12
  Dee's murder. One of her neighbors was kind of
• 2:11:14
  quite crying in an interview. She was like, I don't
• 2:11:16
  understand. I just gave Dee Dee money a
• 2:11:20
  couple weeks ago because she said she couldn't wasn't going
• 2:11:23
  to be able to pay her light bill, you know, her electric
• 2:11:25
  bill and she didn't know what she was going to do.
• 2:11:28
  And now that she's been murdered and found it turns out there was
• 2:11:32
  stacks of cash in there, thousands of dollars.
• 2:11:34
  I just, I don't understand. And that that could be, you
• 2:11:40
  know, more of like a mental trauma thing, but I do not
• 2:11:43
  believe that DD had the capability to create documents
• 2:11:47
  that any official agency was going to accept forged
• 2:11:51
  documents. I don't.
• 2:11:53
  No, I don't believe that either. They're very thorough.
• 2:11:57
  Very thorough, OK. One of the several versions of
• 2:12:02
  Gypsy's age that Didi kept in her arsenal.
• 2:12:04
  But in the fallout of the Vision Con incident, Gypsy got hold of
• 2:12:06
  something she had never actually been allowed to see, and that
• 2:12:08
  was the truth about her own age. She wasn't a teenager at this
• 2:12:11
  point, she was actually 19 years old, a legal adult.
• 2:12:13
  So she's finding out that her mother had stolen years from her
• 2:12:16
  and Gypsy finally knew it. And the punishment she got from
• 2:12:18
  the Vision Con incident was horrible because Dede actually
• 2:12:21
  physically beat her and destroyed her phone and computer
• 2:12:23
  with a hammer and for roughly 2 weeks, Gypsy said.
• 2:12:26
  That's what she says, but she never mentions it to Nick any of
• 2:12:30
  the videos and photos. You don't see her all bruised up
• 2:12:36
  like that. Again, I'm not trying to say
• 2:12:38
  it's impossible, who knows, but it just doesn't seem to be
• 2:12:42
  backed up by any evidence. The only.
• 2:12:44
  Evidence is. To be her own words after the
• 2:12:47
  crime. Glam's mom's backup says I think
• 2:12:51
  Dee Dee was stockpiling cash and determined not to touch it in
• 2:12:54
  case of another disaster trauma response.
• 2:12:57
  I agree. That's a better way of wording
• 2:12:59
  what I was trying to say earlier.
• 2:13:02
  It's not good, You know, it's not good to ask people for money
• 2:13:06
  when you have a stockpile kind of thing.
• 2:13:09
  But knowing that she was thrown out of the family home and
• 2:13:14
  suddenly with a small child and homeless, trying to figure out
• 2:13:18
  where to be, and then once again lost everything in Katrina
• 2:13:22
  whenever their Slidell apartment was hit, even though they were
• 2:13:25
  already in Covington. I could definitely see a mental
• 2:13:28
  issue come in there with hoarding and trauma, not only of
• 2:13:32
  like meds and food, but cash. Like I said, it's not OK, it's
• 2:13:37
  not good, but. I still think, I think she was a
• 2:13:42
  little scammy towards her peers, you know, I don't think.
• 2:13:47
  She. You know, but but I also agree
• 2:13:51
  that that's probably the stockpiling is probably a a
• 2:13:54
  thing she was doing with the medicine, with the money, with
• 2:13:56
  the everything you know, probably a trauma response.
• 2:13:58
  You know, a lot of bad actions that people do are trauma
• 2:14:02
  responses in some way, shape or form doesn't.
• 2:14:05
  That is true. It doesn't make them good or OK,
• 2:14:07
  but it helps us understand a little more like what the hell
• 2:14:10
  happened there? For sure.
• 2:14:15
  Her mother changed her to the vet and then Gypsy says.
• 2:14:18
  Which also never brought up until after the fact.
• 2:14:22
  And no bruises, no nothing. And, well, at least.
• 2:14:27
  Somebody to murder. At least one of the incidents
• 2:14:31
  where Gypsy claimed that Dee Dee locked her locked her up in the
• 2:14:36
  shed. Sorry I'm hiccup in a little
• 2:14:39
  bit. At least one of those
• 2:14:41
  incidences. Once we got access to her
• 2:14:44
  Facebook documents, I was able to see that she posted on her
• 2:14:48
  Emma Rose account during the night as she on the night that
• 2:14:54
  she claims she was locked in the shed in the cold.
• 2:14:57
  Yeah. After the Cinderella movie.
• 2:15:00
  Also Kung Fu Panda Slidell just makes me think of Tofia Chu if
• 2:15:05
  anyone knows who. It is.
• 2:15:08
  Anyway, that's a whole other rabbit hole.
• 2:15:10
  Dee Dee brought a gun into the house, and she said it was for
• 2:15:13
  protection. But Gypsy read it differently,
• 2:15:15
  and she would later describe being just genuinely afraid.
• 2:15:17
  Afraid her mother was preparing to do something worse than
• 2:15:19
  hitting her and worse than starving her.
• 2:15:20
  So a few months later, around June 2011, Gypsy would try
• 2:15:23
  again. And she quietly packed a bag and
• 2:15:25
  Dee Dee found it. And in the confrontation that
• 2:15:27
  followed, with that gun sitting out on the table, something in
• 2:15:29
  Gypsy snapped. And now the next part comes from
• 2:15:31
  Gypsy's own telling years later. Now there were only two people
• 2:15:34
  in that room, and only one of them is alive.
• 2:15:36
  Here's what she said. What happened?
• 2:15:38
  She grabbed the gun and she threatened her mother with it.
• 2:15:40
  And then before she fully understood what she was doing,
• 2:15:42
  she pulled the trigger as many times as it would fire 10 times.
• 2:15:45
  And some shots hit. Deedee and son hit the wall.
• 2:15:47
  And the wounds were superficial, barely grazes really, because a
• 2:15:50
  gun, it turned out, was just a BD gun, something Gypsy only
• 2:15:53
  realized in the moment and something that she says brought
• 2:15:55
  her relief because she hadn't actually wanted to kill her
• 2:15:57
  mother. She says she just got out of the
• 2:15:59
  house, and Deedee's response was just making up a lie because she
• 2:16:02
  didn't call the police before. She didn't.
• 2:16:03
  She invented a mugging. And she told friends and
• 2:16:06
  neighbors that she been attacked by a robber with a BB gun in a
• 2:16:08
  Walmart parking lot. So she just used her daughter,
• 2:16:11
  you know, not trying to kill her, but like trying to harm her
• 2:16:14
  into a Sally sob story about her getting mugged.
• 2:16:16
  I What is wrong with this woman? And Gypsy would later describe
• 2:16:19
  what happened next with a phrase that captures her mother better
• 2:16:21
  than any diagnosis, and that is that Dede was such a good
• 2:16:23
  manipulator that she was able to slip her right back into
• 2:16:26
  submission. And then in February of 2012,
• 2:16:28
  police were actually called on the lanterns, not for abuse, but
• 2:16:31
  for shoplifting. Dede and Gypsy had been caught
• 2:16:33
  stealing from a Hobby Lobby $21.53 worth of craft supplies
• 2:16:36
  hidden under Gypsy's legs in the wheelchair.
• 2:16:38
  So she was even using the wheelchair as a tool to use her
• 2:16:41
  daughter to steal shit. It's disgusting and Dede
• 2:16:43
  explained it all the way that they just got back from.
• 2:16:45
  A. Mix up, just not
• 2:16:47
  misunderstanding and the officer is just.
• 2:16:50
  So I know Gypsy's stealing tutorial to Nick in the FOIA
• 2:16:53
  videos wasn't exactly accurate, but I wonder if she would assume
• 2:16:58
  100% that Didi was using her daughter as a tool to steal if
• 2:17:02
  she saw how. Like, you know, gleefully, Gypsy
• 2:17:06
  explains how she steals in the video.
• 2:17:09
  Yeah, she explains how she steals then.
• 2:17:12
  Yeah, I'm sure. I mean, it's probable possible
• 2:17:15
  that Dee Dee taught her how to do that, you know?
• 2:17:18
  But it doesn't seem like something that she was ashamed
• 2:17:20
  of, you know? I personally think that if Jimsy
• 2:17:25
  were to reoffend in any way, it'd probably be something
• 2:17:28
  klepto related. Yeah, and Budoka 97, says so.
• 2:17:34
  Was it Dee Dee stealing the baby clothes as well?
• 2:17:37
  Which, you know, Dee Dee definitely didn't want Gypsy
• 2:17:41
  getting pregnant or having a boyfriend from everything we
• 2:17:44
  know. So Gypsy was somehow definitely
• 2:17:46
  stealing on her own. Yeah, and if I remember
• 2:17:51
  correctly, she was talking to Nick about how whenever they ran
• 2:17:56
  off together, they'd continue the con and she'd teach them how
• 2:17:58
  to steal and. Yeah, she's like, I can pretend
• 2:18:01
  to be your disabled sister and sit in the cart.
• 2:18:04
  And then talked about how she would proposition men for
• 2:18:10
  prostitution and then whack them and rob them.
• 2:18:18
  Anyway. Let them go.
• 2:18:21
  At this point, Gypsy was 20 years old at this point.
• 2:18:24
  She had tried running, she had tried in her own desperate way,
• 2:18:26
  fighting back, but nothing had worked, and her mother had
• 2:18:29
  beaten the doctors, the caseworkers, the police and
• 2:18:31
  every escape her daughter could devise.
• 2:18:32
  But that same year, hiding from her mother in the glow of a
• 2:18:35
  computer screen after Didi went to sleep, Gypsy was about to
• 2:18:37
  meet someone. So as we know, Gypsy was
• 2:18:39
  completely supervised by her mother and there was basically
• 2:18:41
  no Internet access, but she did allow Gypsy limited supervised
• 2:18:45
  access. But as we know as a supervisor,
• 2:18:47
  and Dee slept night after night. After her mother went to bed,
• 2:18:51
  Gypsy crept back to the computer.
• 2:18:52
  Also sometimes in the middle of the day for 45 minutes and broad
• 2:18:57
  daylight one video. I mean, there's multiple videos
• 2:19:01
  in broad daylight and not even just like explicit visually or
• 2:19:06
  anything, but just so many times when she's just recording and
• 2:19:10
  she's on her phone and she's doing all kinds of stuff.
• 2:19:13
  Fully dressed up in a prom dress like.
• 2:19:16
  Yeah, yeah. And you know, the thing about
• 2:19:19
  the the baby clothes and stuff, the baby clothes like her mom
• 2:19:26
  never found. She's paying attention to
• 2:19:28
  everything she does and everywhere she goes and
• 2:19:32
  everything you know, she never. There's no way.
• 2:19:37
  Yeah. She built secret accounts,
• 2:19:39
  secret profiles, a hidden second life in text.
• 2:19:42
  And in that life she was none of the things that the world
• 2:19:44
  believed. She wasn't disabled and she
• 2:19:45
  wasn't a child and she wasn't a prop to anybody's story.
• 2:19:48
  She was just like a regular woman because she's a woman at
• 2:19:50
  this point. And in 2012, on a Christian
• 2:19:51
  dating website, she met someone else who wanted to be someone
• 2:19:54
  else. And his name was Nicholas
• 2:19:55
  Godejan. And he was in his early 20s
• 2:19:57
  living in Big Bend, WI. And he was a soft spoken
• 2:20:00
  religious young man, at least on his profile.
• 2:20:02
  But the reality was a lot more complicated now.
• 2:20:03
  Godejan was on. The autism spectrum diagnosed
• 2:20:06
  with what was called Asperger's syndrome at the time, and
• 2:20:08
  psychological evaluations would later document an IQ in the low
• 2:20:10
  80s and a young man with significant cognitive and social
• 2:20:12
  vulnerabilities. And he had a brush with the law
• 2:20:14
  already, and it was an indecency arrest at a fast food restaurant
• 2:20:17
  and beneath the polite church going exterior, he spent time in
• 2:20:20
  darker corners of the Internet, drawn to violent content and
• 2:20:22
  communities. His profile never hinted at.
• 2:20:24
  SO2 Invisible people basically just found each other.
• 2:20:27
  And for the next 2 1/2 years, almost entirely in secret, they
• 2:20:29
  built a world of their own together.
• 2:20:31
  And Gypsy told him the truth. And Nicholas Goddejan became one
• 2:20:34
  of the only human beings on earth who knew it.
• 2:20:36
  He knew about the wheelchair that she didn't need, the
• 2:20:37
  diseases that she didn't have, and the mother who would never,
• 2:20:40
  ever, ever, ever let her go. And their online world went
• 2:20:43
  beyond confession into fantasy, like elaborate, constant role
• 2:20:46
  play. And they created characters
• 2:20:47
  together and personas they'd slip into for hours.
• 2:20:50
  And some of it was romance, but some of it was much darker.
• 2:20:52
  And this is where the story kind of splits in two, because what
• 2:20:54
  happened inside the relationship depends entirely on who's
• 2:20:56
  telling it. Because in one version, Gypsy is
• 2:20:58
  completely innocent, a sheltered abuse victim who found her first
• 2:21:01
  love and a man who steered their fantasy life to avoid violence.
• 2:21:04
  But there is another version, and it comes from sworn
• 2:21:06
  testimony, because at Godojan's later court proceedings, A
• 2:21:09
  psychologist testified about a persona Gypsy used with him, a
• 2:21:11
  character called Demona. And in videos and messages, the
• 2:21:14
  psychologist said Gypsy, as Demona called Godojan her slave,
• 2:21:17
  gave him orders, spelled out consequences if he disobeyed,
• 2:21:20
  including. Which she continued that in
• 2:21:24
  prison and personally, I am not going to be mad at a prisoner
• 2:21:29
  for doing what you'd expect them to do by having pay pigs in
• 2:21:32
  prison and conning men. I I don't have an issue with
• 2:21:35
  that in itself. However, I do have an issue with
• 2:21:38
  the fact that she acts like she's a change person that all
• 2:21:41
  this stuff helped her grow and how prison was like, you know
• 2:21:44
  this time for growth and change and all the way up until right
• 2:21:47
  before she got released from prison.
• 2:21:49
  She has these pay pigs that she's having this master slave
• 2:21:52
  dynamic with. And also Chris brings up
• 2:21:55
  something about, you know, under testimony, Underoath or
• 2:21:58
  whatever. Underoath.
• 2:21:59
  It's admitted that from Dan Glidewell that Gypsy introduced
• 2:22:04
  him to some aspects of BDSM as well.
• 2:22:08
  Well, I kind of do have an issue with the fact that prison didn't
• 2:22:14
  provide any method of change to her in the context that what
• 2:22:21
  Gypsy was doing before the murder was what she seemed to
• 2:22:27
  pretty much enjoy. She just wanted DD out of the
• 2:22:29
  way to do more of that, which is make videos in her house and,
• 2:22:35
  you know, have relationships online.
• 2:22:38
  She continued that in prison through the whole, you know, pay
• 2:22:41
  pig thing and the video chats and stuff that she got in
• 2:22:45
  trouble with and then immediately continued doing the
• 2:22:49
  same thing when she got out. And so the method by which she
• 2:22:55
  orchestrated and planned the murder and reeled in her tool,
• 2:23:01
  Nicholas go to John to do the murder.
• 2:23:03
  Like that method was never restricted from her via prison.
• 2:23:10
  I 100% agree with the fact that something probably in theory
• 2:23:19
  should have been done, and that it sucks that she was able to
• 2:23:22
  continue the same patterns of behavior before, during, and
• 2:23:26
  after prison. And I'm all for Prison Reform
• 2:23:31
  100%. But as it currently stands, and
• 2:23:35
  unfortunately, as I feel like it'll probably stand for quite
• 2:23:39
  some time, if not indefinitely, is that prison isn't really
• 2:23:43
  about the rehabilitation. They're just kind of, it's a
• 2:23:46
  place to store all of the bad people that have done bad
• 2:23:50
  things. And they all get kind of
• 2:23:51
  classified together, even though some people murder their mother
• 2:23:54
  and some people just did drugs, you know?
• 2:23:57
  Yeah. And you know, in addition to
• 2:24:00
  that is I don't know what the good answer is to that.
• 2:24:04
  I mean, obviously it would be great if every punishment via
• 2:24:10
  prison in the court was tailored to the crime and the person.
• 2:24:14
  That's just not possible with the volume of population that we
• 2:24:17
  have. Like, it's not realistic.
• 2:24:23
  But morally speaking, yeah, there was.
• 2:24:26
  There was never really a consequence in the sense that
• 2:24:31
  what she enjoyed doing wasn't restricted from her in prison.
• 2:24:36
  Yeah. No.
• 2:24:38
  And then it's like, while on paper, yeah, that'd be great if
• 2:24:42
  like, she wasn't able to do that same thing.
• 2:24:46
  But also it's like, OK, well, prisoners still deserve some
• 2:24:50
  rights and they should be able to talk to their friends, their
• 2:24:53
  family, whatever. And it's like, yeah, I don't.
• 2:24:56
  I don't. Yeah, that's.
• 2:24:57
  Complicated. That's where I do get tripped up
• 2:24:59
  because free speech is very important to me.
• 2:25:02
  And whenever I say, you know, a consequence tailored to each
• 2:25:05
  prisoner's individual act for a crime like Gypsies, where she
• 2:25:12
  used her free speech and she used Internet access and online
• 2:25:17
  communication to literally orchestrate a murder, well, it
• 2:25:21
  seems like possibly the only way to actually give a fitting
• 2:25:26
  punishment for that would be to restrict that free speech.
• 2:25:29
  But that's not a thing we do in America, and I don't want to
• 2:25:33
  start doing that in America. Free speech is important, so I
• 2:25:36
  don't really know what the good answer is.
• 2:25:39
  I can just see that it's a problem.
• 2:25:41
  You know what I mean? I'm, I'm with you, man.
• 2:25:44
  There's a lot of things in life I feel that way about.
• 2:25:46
  It's like, I mean, this happens and that happens and it's like.
• 2:25:50
  But even the. Sorry, I started choking on my
• 2:25:57
  own spit, but Even so it's like yeah it'd be great.
• 2:26:01
  Also if like there could be individual programs tailored to
• 2:26:06
  each person's individual crimes, their individual needs.
• 2:26:08
  But you know, yeah, the staffing and the pay for people.
• 2:26:11
  There, the reality just isn't there.
• 2:26:14
  You know, like so. Great ideas, great ideal world,
• 2:26:18
  great goals. In an ideal world, you wouldn't
• 2:26:20
  even need it, you know what I mean?
• 2:26:22
  So it's kind of like, I don't, I don't know what the answer.
• 2:26:24
  Is I agree? Yeah, same.
• 2:26:28
  OK, I'm going to press play again.
• 2:26:29
  Losing her forever and a psychologist's conclusion was
• 2:26:32
  pretty chilling. And that was that the
• 2:26:33
  instructions repeated over months to a cognitively
• 2:26:36
  vulnerable man had effectively programmed him and programmed
• 2:26:39
  him specifically to believe he had a binary choice, and that
• 2:26:42
  was to kill Dee Dee Blanchard or lose Gypsy Rose.
• 2:26:45
  So you know, which one was it? A predator who found a captive
• 2:26:48
  girl or a captive girl who found someone she could finally
• 2:26:50
  control the way she was controlled by her own mother?
• 2:26:53
  And everything that happens next depends on that question, right?
• 2:26:56
  So by late 2014, the role play and the romance and the
• 2:26:58
  desperation had become this ugly monster.
• 2:27:01
  Gypsy was 23 years old and she had tried running away twice.
• 2:27:04
  She had tried fighting back once, but nothing had worked.
• 2:27:07
  But somewhere in those late night conversations, the last
• 2:27:09
  option stopped being unthinkable and it started to become a plan.
• 2:27:12
  So in March 2015, after nearly three years of secret messages,
• 2:27:15
  Gypsy Rose and Nicholas Garjon decided it was time to meet.
• 2:27:19
  What's that? It didn't suddenly become
• 2:27:22
  unthinkable and become a plan in 2014.
• 2:27:25
  In 2014, I think it was like mid 2014.
• 2:27:29
  I want to say June or July, but I have to verify that.
• 2:27:33
  But around that time was when Nick messages Allie and he's
• 2:27:37
  like, Gypsy changed her mind. And Allie's like, oh, about
• 2:27:41
  killing her mom. And he's like, yeah, we're going
• 2:27:42
  to try another thing first. So like, that plan had been in
• 2:27:46
  place for a bit in 2014. They backed off it for a bit and
• 2:27:50
  then come back to it. You know, like it seems like she
• 2:27:54
  is under the impression that it just happened that year.
• 2:27:57
  I'm not sure about that. Don't know if it happened for
• 2:28:01
  sure in 2013 or maybe at the beginning of 2014.
• 2:28:05
  But like, yeah, it just, it had been going on for a bit longer
• 2:28:10
  than most people realize is really my only point there.
• 2:28:14
  Also, I see this comment here by Dragon Approved and it says the
• 2:28:17
  parole board could have stopped it if they looked at her prison
• 2:28:19
  records. Well, actually that's not really
• 2:28:23
  true either because I don't remember the exact number, but
• 2:28:27
  in Missouri, if you're a first time offender, you really can
• 2:28:33
  only serve a certain percentage of your prison sentence.
• 2:28:36
  And then they let you go. Like you can't just, I mean, and
• 2:28:42
  Even so, Even so, even if she would have stayed, you know,
• 2:28:45
  until the end, it would have only been what, like a year and
• 2:28:47
  a half, two years left that she had.
• 2:28:50
  I mean, the the parole, the parole board has something to do
• 2:28:53
  with the plea deal that she got. You know, once that happened, it
• 2:28:56
  was just kind of a done deal as far as when she got out.
• 2:29:00
  Yeah, I definitely, it's, it's crappy that 85% like that just
• 2:29:07
  seems so weird to me. Everything about our justice
• 2:29:09
  system is about saving money. The plea deals are about saving
• 2:29:13
  money on trials. The 85% is about saving money on
• 2:29:17
  prison cost and blah, blah, blah.
• 2:29:18
  And it's like, where is justice? Yeah, there's yeah, no such.
• 2:29:24
  Thing really. Generally not, no.
• 2:29:28
  It's it's not so OK. But nothing in Dipsy's life
• 2:29:35
  happened without her mother, right?
• 2:29:36
  So the meeting itself had to be a con itself.
• 2:29:39
  And the plan was laid out in Gypsy's own memoir, and that was
• 2:29:41
  that. She and Deedee were already
• 2:29:42
  going to the movies, Disney's live action Cinderella.
• 2:29:44
  And Gypsy secretly mailed Gojon money for a bus ticket from
• 2:29:46
  Wisconsin, and that money was taken from Deedee and he would
• 2:29:48
  simply be there in the theater, a stranger to what Deedee knows.
• 2:29:51
  And Gypsy would engineer a meet cute right under her mother's
• 2:29:53
  nose. Chance encounter Deedee could
• 2:29:55
  watch happen with her own eyes and never suspect.
• 2:29:57
  It had been scripted for months, even though costumes were part
• 2:29:59
  of it. Gypsy came dressed as Cinderella
• 2:30:01
  and Gojon came as Prince Charming, and Gypsy had said
• 2:30:04
  herself that in her mind, this was the fairy tale she found her
• 2:30:06
  Prince Charming, which made her mother the villain.
• 2:30:09
  But the meet cute, for the record, didn't fool Deedee.
• 2:30:11
  She watched the stranger orbit her daughter, and her suspicion
• 2:30:14
  flared almost immediately, and she pulled Gypsy away and the
• 2:30:16
  day nearly collapsed. But at some point, briefly, the
• 2:30:18
  two managed to slip off unsupervised.
• 2:30:20
  And according to go to John's later police interview, they had
• 2:30:22
  sat in the pier bathroom while Deedee sat in the dark watching
• 2:30:24
  the movie. So they had been in the same
• 2:30:25
  room for only one afternoon, and they would see each other in
• 2:30:27
  person exactly one more time before everything ended.
• 2:30:30
  And this meeting was only one branch of a decision tree, if
• 2:30:32
  you will. And on the stand, Gypsy would
• 2:30:34
  testify that she, if he had plans AB and C to be with
• 2:30:36
  Nicholas Gajan if he testified. OK.
• 2:30:44
  Or Lou's Gypsy Rose. So you know which one was it A
• 2:30:48
  predator who found a captive girl?
• 2:30:49
  Or a captive girl who found someone she could finally
• 2:30:51
  control. Feels like that's.
• 2:30:53
  Repeat something. Yeah, there we've, I think
• 2:30:56
  there's an overlap in the recording.
• 2:30:57
  We have heard some of that. If you can scroll a bit ahead.
• 2:31:09
  It's up right there. Or was it a terrified prisoner,
• 2:31:12
  so desperate for daylight that she'd become her mother's
• 2:31:13
  daughter, a planner, a manipulator, a producer of her
• 2:31:16
  own show? And both readings fit the
• 2:31:18
  evidence. But what's certain is that by
• 2:31:19
  early June 2015 that the talking was over and Gypsy had unlocked
• 2:31:22
  money from DD Stash and Gojon had a bus route and
• 2:31:25
  instructions, and there was a list, Short, practical,
• 2:31:27
  horrifying in its ordinariness. Gloves, a knife, duct tape.
• 2:31:30
  And all that remained was for him to arrive.
• 2:31:32
  So in the second week of June 2015, Nicholas Gojon boarded a
• 2:31:35
  Greyhound bus in Wisconsin and rode it 700 miles South to
• 2:31:38
  Springfield, MO. And accounts differ slightly.
• 2:31:41
  On real quick solemn beauty yes don't they get good time in
• 2:31:43
  Missouri? Yes, they do.
• 2:31:44
  And I actually think that they kept Gypsy like literally as
• 2:31:47
  long as they physically possibly could.
• 2:31:49
  Like good time aside all that stuff.
• 2:31:54
  Like I think they kind of accept her as long as they legally
• 2:31:58
  could keep her. The exact day he arrived.
• 2:32:00
  Some records point to June 8th or 9th with Gojan holed up
• 2:32:02
  waiting at a local motel, and others had him arriving on June
• 2:32:04
  10th itself, reaching the neighborhood while Gypsy and DD
• 2:32:06
  were out at the doctor's appointment.
• 2:32:08
  But what no account disputes is why he had come or what he was
• 2:32:10
  carrying out of that plan. And that was gloves, duct tape
• 2:32:13
  and instructions. Now a knife Gypsy had bought
• 2:32:15
  herself. What makes June 9th so hard to
• 2:32:17
  hear about is how normal it was. And that day, mother and
• 2:32:19
  daughter just ran Aaron. Oh I'm wrong.
• 2:32:21
  Into the Weeds podcast, My mother, she was listening and
• 2:32:24
  she said they don't have good time in Missouri.
• 2:32:27
  Oopsie Daisy. I guess I was wrong.
• 2:32:28
  If they did my cousin would probably be out by now.
• 2:32:31
  She does so much it's not even funny.
• 2:32:34
  A trip to the doctor, stop at the Dollar General, and in the
• 2:32:36
  evening they argued, then made-up the way they always did.
• 2:32:38
  And then Deedee and Gypsy Rose spent their last night as mother
• 2:32:41
  and daughter doing something almost unbearably ordinary.
• 2:32:43
  And they just painted each other's nails.
• 2:32:45
  And Gypsy would later recall the last words her mother ever said
• 2:32:47
  to her. And as Deedee relaxing to sleep,
• 2:32:48
  she said, I'm starting to feel more relaxed.
• 2:32:50
  Don't hurt me. Deedee said things like this
• 2:32:52
  when her arthritis was acting up, and by Gypsy's account, it
• 2:32:54
  was about her sore hands and nothing more.
• 2:32:57
  She had no idea what was about to happen.
• 2:32:58
  But it's the kind of sentence that once you know what happens
• 2:33:00
  next, you just never forget. And then sometime after midnight
• 2:33:02
  into the early morning hours of June 10th, the house went quiet.
• 2:33:05
  And Dee Dee was asleep in her bedroom.
• 2:33:07
  And Gypsy unlocked the front door and Nicholas Ghodajan
• 2:33:09
  stepped inside that little pink house that Habitat volunteers
• 2:33:11
  had built. And Gypsy handed him the gloves,
• 2:33:13
  the duct tape and the knife. And then she did what she says
• 2:33:16
  she was told to do and what she says she chose to do.
• 2:33:18
  And she went into the bathroom and she closed the door and then
• 2:33:21
  she covered her ears. And Ghodajan walked into Dee's
• 2:33:23
  bedroom. And there in the dark, he stated
• 2:33:25
  Claudine Blanchard 19 times in the back as she lay in her bed
• 2:33:29
  and she would wake during the attack.
• 2:33:30
  And she called out for Gypsy, her daughter, hiding down the
• 2:33:33
  hall with her hands over her ears, hearing her mother cry out
• 2:33:36
  her name for help. But Gypsy did not come out.
• 2:33:38
  And in his police interview, Beaujean would describe the
• 2:33:40
  killing with a flatness that unsettled even veteran
• 2:33:42
  investigators. He chosen stabbings for explain
• 2:33:45
  because he reasoned she would bleed out.
• 2:33:48
  Miss Behaving made a good point. I thought she was replying to
• 2:33:51
  Selen Beauty and said I can't believe she got no extra time
• 2:33:54
  for the essay claim because yeah her prison infraction record
• 2:33:59
  isn't that bad. But her jail infraction record
• 2:34:03
  includes her making a false grape claim on her cellmate
• 2:34:10
  after having consensual sex and then getting mad at her for
• 2:34:14
  something and sent the cellmate to the whole and then eventually
• 2:34:18
  confess that it was a false claim.
• 2:34:21
  And then the prison emails kind of laughs about how funny it is
• 2:34:24
  that they just believe everything that she says.
• 2:34:28
  Again, this is a set of words from her own mouth.
• 2:34:30
  This isn't us just deciding randomly that this is how it
• 2:34:33
  happened, you know? I wonder sometimes.
• 2:34:36
  I mean, I know that Missouri law is what it is and they couldn't
• 2:34:39
  hold her over 85%, but I wonder sometimes what would have
• 2:34:42
  happened if that would have been on her prison record and not a
• 2:34:46
  jail record that didn't get considered.
• 2:34:49
  I didn't even realize that it was from jail and not prison.
• 2:34:52
  Yeah, it was from Greene County Jail.
• 2:34:53
  Like almost immediately after she got in jail, that's what she
• 2:34:56
  did. Having sex with wow, OK, I mean
• 2:35:02
  wow. Had consensual sex.
• 2:35:05
  She said the cellmate threatened her about something after the
• 2:35:08
  sex and that's why she did the false grape claim and got her
• 2:35:12
  put in the hole. There's plenty of people I
• 2:35:14
  regret being with, but you know. Yeah, and she her talking about
• 2:35:22
  it, I believe it was in her prison emails.
• 2:35:24
  She was talking about how great it is and what growth it shows
• 2:35:30
  that She later confessed that it wasn't right, it wasn't real,
• 2:35:34
  that it was false. She stresses me out sometimes.
• 2:35:42
  OK, 1st. That he badly damaged her neck
• 2:35:43
  and Deedee Blanchard died in her bedroom on West Volunteer Way.
• 2:35:46
  And she was 48 years old. And what happened in the next
• 2:35:48
  hours depends once again on who you believe.
• 2:35:50
  And both agree on some of it. Gypsy came out of the bathroom
• 2:35:53
  and she wiped off some of her mother's blood with baby wipes.
• 2:35:55
  And the two of them found Deedee's money over $4000 in
• 2:35:57
  cash. The remains of the charity, the
• 2:35:59
  donations in the years of sympathy.
• 2:36:00
  But Gojan told police that afterward because went to
• 2:36:02
  Gypsy's bedroom steps away from her mother.
• 2:36:05
  Yes, it wasn't exactly the two of them that found the money.
• 2:36:08
  Gypsy got the money like. You know they.
• 2:36:12
  Weren't hunting together for the money.
• 2:36:15
  Yeah, true, true. She knew exactly where to find
• 2:36:18
  it. So.
• 2:36:20
  And from some accounts, it seems like it was in Deedee's bedroom,
• 2:36:24
  which she claims she never ever went.
• 2:36:26
  Back into after Deedee died but the accounts of her finding the
• 2:36:32
  money are getting the money the money sometimes it's.
• 2:36:38
  Said that it was in the night. Stand next to Dee Dee's bed.
• 2:36:44
  A few people have interpreted it as a safe, I believe.
• 2:36:48
  I can't remember myself. Like.
• 2:36:50
  It's Gypsy and Nick's recollections, and then it's
• 2:36:55
  cellmates telling what Gypsy told them.
• 2:36:58
  So there are discrepancies, but most of them say that she went
• 2:37:03
  into Dede's bedroom and got money out of there.
• 2:37:08
  Yeah, she says she doesn't go or didn't go back.
• 2:37:10
  But also that damn Barney doll that was.
• 2:37:13
  Sitting on, Yeah. Yeah, and so many of her cell
• 2:37:17
  mates saying that she told them that.
• 2:37:19
  She cleaned up. Blood from.
• 2:37:21
  The bed to the bathroom naked, by the way, y'all?
• 2:37:25
  And that part's confirmed naked. Yeah, and apparently.
• 2:37:29
  The I mean the door was open. In all the crime scene videos
• 2:37:35
  and she never mentions the doors closing in any of her
• 2:37:39
  recountings of, you know, the naked cleaning up and the sex
• 2:37:43
  afterwards and her bed where, you know, there's the black
• 2:37:50
  light or whatever it is showing where they had sex on her bed
• 2:37:54
  after they shoved aside the stuffed animals.
• 2:38:00
  It looks straight. Her doorway would look straight
• 2:38:02
  through Dee. Dee's doorway onto.
• 2:38:05
  Dee's bed. Wow.
• 2:38:08
  Yeah, with those doors open. Yeah, I always forget.
• 2:38:16
  The setup of the house, exactly how it was.
• 2:38:18
  But yeah, being right there is. There's so many layered creepy
• 2:38:23
  details to it, like all of us who cover this and who.
• 2:38:27
  Watch all of our commenters and things who who go into
• 2:38:30
  researching this case. We've all probably forgot more
• 2:38:33
  about this than the average person hearing about it will
• 2:38:37
  ever know. You are not kidding.
• 2:38:40
  OK, I'm pressing that again, had consensual relations.
• 2:38:43
  Gypsy tells it differently. And at the trial, she testified
• 2:38:45
  that there was nothing consensual about it and Dodejean
• 2:38:47
  actually took. Advantage of her that night and
• 2:38:49
  that as it happened, she cried out for her mother, the mother
• 2:38:51
  who was now lying dead down the hall.
• 2:38:53
  So there's two people with two different stories and one of
• 2:38:55
  them was a cognitively impaired man facing a murder charge and
• 2:38:57
  the other was a woman who had her entire life inside other
• 2:38:59
  people's fictions. Did she just say that Gypsy said
• 2:39:02
  that at the trial? Because no, on the stand, she
• 2:39:05
  said. It was consensual.
• 2:39:11
  Out of the bathroom and she wiped off some of her.
• 2:39:12
  Mother's blood with baby wipes and the two of them found Dee
• 2:39:15
  dee's money over $4000 in cash the.
• 2:39:17
  Remains of the charity, the donations and the years of
• 2:39:19
  sympathy. But Gaudejean told police that
• 2:39:20
  afterward, the two of them went to Gypsy's bedroom, steps away
• 2:39:23
  from her mother's body, and had consensual relations.
• 2:39:26
  And Gypsy tells it differently. And at the trial, she testified
• 2:39:27
  that there was nothing consensual about it and
• 2:39:29
  Gaudejean actually took advantage of her that night.
• 2:39:31
  And that as it happened. Yeah, That's a legit error.
• 2:39:35
  Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, something we've all called
• 2:39:39
  out A. Lot is that Gypsy said on the
• 2:39:45
  stand that it was consensual and then turned around and said in
• 2:39:48
  her book that it was grape, Arista 177 says they had all
• 2:39:55
  these weird fantasies. Yeah, she does tell Nick that
• 2:40:00
  she's going to do that to him multiple times over text, you
• 2:40:03
  know? Yeah, And they said to each
• 2:40:07
  other, she said in her videos and Facebook.
• 2:40:09
  Messages over and over that, you know, they would do these grape
• 2:40:14
  fantasies and role plays and stuff like that and that she
• 2:40:18
  would say no stop and that he was to keep going as part of the
• 2:40:22
  fantasy unless she said the safe word.
• 2:40:25
  Now, I've never come across any documentation yet of her
• 2:40:29
  actually assigning a specific safe word, but she specifically
• 2:40:34
  says in her memoir, I, it was great because I said no stop.
• 2:40:41
  And I meant it and he didn't. Then we have all these foyers of
• 2:40:45
  hers telling him over and over, I'm going to say.
• 2:40:48
  No stop. And that.
• 2:40:49
  Doesn't mean anything. You keep going because this is
• 2:40:52
  the fantasy. Only if I say the safe word,
• 2:40:54
  stop. But I'm still not seeing
• 2:40:56
  evidence in the safe word yet. Yeah.
• 2:40:58
  And she goes back and forth between was I assaulted?
• 2:41:03
  Was I not? Assaulted, accusing that woman
• 2:41:07
  of assaulting her. So then it's like, where are we
• 2:41:09
  really standing? And then also in the prison
• 2:41:12
  e-mail, she says that she's a virgin because no one ever beat
• 2:41:16
  that shit up. And I quote, well, she pretty
• 2:41:20
  much kept claiming to be a virgin until she was.
• 2:41:25
  Visibly pregnant after she you know no one's ever made her she
• 2:41:32
  got. Out of prison, she was like, I'm
• 2:41:34
  still kind. Of a virgin.
• 2:41:37
  Yeah, well, I think she even like.
• 2:41:39
  Minded said something along the lines of like since no man's
• 2:41:41
  ever made. Her orgasm that she's basically
• 2:41:43
  a. Virgin Oh yeah, that was after
• 2:41:45
  she divorced Ryan, Still kind of a virgin because she said that
• 2:41:49
  she'd never had an. Orgasm.
• 2:41:50
  But like Syria. Not even just by herself, Like
• 2:41:53
  not even by herself. Like she was like saying that
• 2:41:55
  she had never had one. Period.
• 2:41:57
  I feel like from the foyers it's obviously not true, but yeah,
• 2:42:00
  yeah. Anyway, if I could never?
• 2:42:06
  Mind, she cried out for her mother, the mother who is now
• 2:42:09
  lying dead. Down the hall, so there's two
• 2:42:10
  people with two different stories and one of them was a
• 2:42:12
  cognitively impaired man facing. A murder charge.
• 2:42:14
  And the other was a woman who has spent her entire life inside
• 2:42:16
  other people. The comments say her too.
• 2:42:18
  It's up to you to decide which which is.
• 2:42:19
  Oh, her? Yeah.
• 2:42:23
  Moving. On You know, you know.
• 2:42:26
  I have an electric toothbrush. I don't want to think about all
• 2:42:27
  that. Story.
• 2:42:28
  You want to believe I I'm. Not going to decide for you.
• 2:42:30
  So just before 6:00 in the morning, a taxi pulled up
• 2:42:33
  outside the Pink House and two passengers.
• 2:42:34
  Climbed it, and there's a young man and a small young woman in a
• 2:42:36
  blonde wig, upright and walking, and the empty wheelchair stayed
• 2:42:38
  behind on the porch. So for two people who had just
• 2:42:40
  committed murder, Gypsy and Gojon behaved less like
• 2:42:43
  fugitives and more like tourists.
• 2:42:44
  And the taxi dropped them off at the Days Inn on the far side of
• 2:42:47
  Springfield. And for the next two days, the
• 2:42:48
  couple simply just existed out in the open.
• 2:42:50
  Security cameras caught them again and again browsing the
• 2:42:52
  aisles at Walmart, sharing a meal at Waffle House, A young
• 2:42:54
  couple in an unremarkable here and run miles away from a house
• 2:42:57
  with a body inside of it and the cab driver who picked them up.
• 2:43:00
  No disagree. That would mean that somebody
• 2:43:04
  that is with. Somebody of the same sex could
• 2:43:06
  not. Lose their virginity and that's
• 2:43:08
  not true. Up would later testify about the
• 2:43:10
  strange pre Dawn Fair and his description of Gypsy is one of
• 2:43:13
  the most memorable in the entire case because.
• 2:43:14
  He said she looked like a child and he said she sounded even
• 2:43:17
  younger and carried herself with the attitude of a middle-aged
• 2:43:19
  woman, though like, sharp toned enough that she wasn't afraid to
• 2:43:22
  tell him off. So just something about her he
• 2:43:23
  told the court was just wrong. And he was the first stranger to
• 2:43:26
  meet the real Gypsy Rose or lose Gypsy Rose.
• 2:43:30
  So, you know, which one was it? A predator?
• 2:43:35
  Oh, I just realized that our clip ended.
• 2:43:38
  Yeah, it ended. I'm.
• 2:43:39
  Also wondering if it's playing a different one.
• 2:43:41
  Because hold on, let me play like.
• 2:43:44
  Oh no it's not because the comments the same.
• 2:43:47
  It stopped being 1.5 times speed.
• 2:43:49
  So it's like, what did something that tells you exactly how much
• 2:43:52
  they understood about evading a murder investigation and they
• 2:43:55
  mailed the knife. They boxed up the murder weapon
• 2:43:57
  and shifted ahead to go to. I think that was intentional,
• 2:44:00
  Yeah, if once again, if she looked into the FOIA.
• 2:44:04
  She would know that Gypsy. Discussed with him by text
• 2:44:10
  sinking the knife in Springfield Lake, which would have helped
• 2:44:14
  them but for some reason decided at the last minute no they were
• 2:44:19
  going to take it with them and Nick's only explanation he
• 2:44:22
  didn't retain or whatever why they switched from the lake to
• 2:44:28
  this, but he. Said well, she mailed.
• 2:44:30
  It because she didn't know if you could bring it on a bus.
• 2:44:33
  There might be metal detectors. Like he never explained why on
• 2:44:37
  earth they were taking it with them.
• 2:44:39
  That clearly was something Gypsy decided after telling him in the
• 2:44:44
  pre planning that they were going to sink it in the lake.
• 2:44:48
  Metal detectors on a bus? I don't think I've ever seen any
• 2:44:51
  of that. But didn't she have a bus pass
• 2:44:52
  before? Like.
• 2:44:53
  Prior, since she would. Have known what it's like to be
• 2:44:55
  on a bus. She had a Springfield bus pass.
• 2:44:59
  I'm not. I mean, I've never been on a bus
• 2:45:00
  at Springfield, so I don't know if they're a little more fancy.
• 2:45:02
  But in 2015 now I know they're. Talking about.
• 2:45:04
  In maybe it was Saint Louis or Kansas City, they're talking
• 2:45:08
  about putting those face scanners on the buses, which
• 2:45:11
  feels like we're in Big Brother. Not a fun kind.
• 2:45:14
  I what's today? Saturday.
• 2:45:16
  Big Brother comes on tomorrow. So upset they evicted Jason, my
• 2:45:21
  drag queen. Anyway, sorry.
• 2:45:23
  Anyway, I'll play a little bit more of this time to John's home
• 2:45:27
  in Wisconsin. And in the return address field
• 2:45:29
  they wrote the address of the. Pink House on.
• 2:45:31
  West Volunteer Way to the victim's.
• 2:45:32
  Home. So on June 12th they boarded a
• 2:45:34
  Greyhound bus north, and witnesses along the way would
• 2:45:36
  later remember the small young woman in the blonde wig walking
• 2:45:39
  unassisted through the terminals.
• 2:45:40
  And by June 13th they were at go to John's house in Big Bend.
• 2:45:43
  And it might have held for a while too, because no one was
• 2:45:45
  coming to check on DD Blanchard, and she had made sure of that
• 2:45:47
  herself years ago. Because she didn't have a job,
• 2:45:49
  she didn't let Gypsy go to school, and she didn't have
• 2:45:51
  family nearby. She had spent two decades
• 2:45:53
  pruning away every person who might come knocking, and Gypsy
• 2:45:56
  knew it. So her mother's body could lie
• 2:45:57
  in that bedroom for weeks, going unnoticed in my gypsy's own
• 2:46:00
  account. Later.
• 2:46:00
  Apparently she couldn't bear that cause apparently she did
• 2:46:03
  want her mother to be found. So on June 14th, she saw she
• 2:46:06
  wanted her mother to be found. Or was she just getting tired of
• 2:46:08
  Nick? Yeah, like.
• 2:46:12
  You know, that's not a thing that she could have.
• 2:46:15
  Probably figured. Out without digging into, you
• 2:46:19
  know, all of our videos and stuff like that, but it from
• 2:46:22
  everything that we went through and read with the Foyas, it
• 2:46:25
  seems very obvious to me that she suddenly was like, Oh my
• 2:46:30
  God, Nick is what I not quite what I fantasized.
• 2:46:34
  Although having watched those videos, I don't know what the
• 2:46:36
  hell she thought he was going to be.
• 2:46:37
  But anyway, and I think she blew it up just to get away from
• 2:46:42
  Nick. I don't think she really thought
• 2:46:44
  that. I don't think she really had to
• 2:46:46
  care about DD. Yeah.
• 2:46:49
  And also I just thought about another thing about her being
• 2:46:51
  there. She talks about how she's
• 2:46:53
  basically a virgin. But if you.
• 2:46:54
  Listen to Bobby, go to John Nick, Nick's father's testimony.
• 2:46:58
  They were doing it like rabbits up there.
• 2:47:00
  And he was like, oh, yeah, in the house.
• 2:47:02
  Like, you need to stop. He said he had to tell them to
• 2:47:06
  be quiet. Because.
• 2:47:08
  Of the children. In the house, Yeah.
• 2:47:11
  My mom said wrestling. She's.
• 2:47:13
  And then she married Ryan Anderson, who loves Ed wrestlers
• 2:47:16
  everywhere. Yeah.
• 2:47:20
  Was that evidence of freedom? Did I just mess it up again?
• 2:47:26
  Did something that tells you exactly how much they understood
• 2:47:28
  about evading. I'm so damn confused.
• 2:47:31
  I keep. Losing my spot.
• 2:47:32
  Here. She's talking about mailing it,
• 2:47:37
  so I think it's just back at the beginning.
• 2:47:40
  Would go up and it was. Just 4 words written as if Dee
• 2:47:42
  Dee's own page were announcing her own death completely.
• 2:47:45
  Unexplainable to anyone who knew the.
• 2:47:46
  Saintly woman who ran that account and Gypsy would later
• 2:47:49
  claim the wording was go to Jean's idea and the intent to
• 2:47:51
  raise the alarm was gypsies. And then when the 1st post
• 2:47:54
  didn't seem to be working fast enough, a second one went up.
• 2:47:56
  And the second post is documented in court record and
• 2:47:58
  it said the bitch is dead. So that second post was a wake
• 2:48:01
  up call for anybody reading it and horrifying.
• 2:48:03
  And it worked because a family friend saw the posts and sitting
• 2:48:06
  at a laptop in a kitchen a world away from Wisconsin, felt
• 2:48:08
  confusion curdle into alarm. Calls went out to other friends
• 2:48:11
  and then to 911. Not evening.
• 2:48:13
  Springfield police arrived at the little pig house and the
• 2:48:15
  wheelchair sat empty on the porch.
• 2:48:17
  And inside in the back bedroom, they found Dede Blanchard.
• 2:48:19
  Four days gone. And that was the moment that
• 2:48:21
  this case just split in two because a murder, tragically is
• 2:48:25
  something police know how to work.
• 2:48:26
  And what they could not explain was the other half of the scene
• 2:48:28
  because Gypsy Rose was gone and her wheelchair was at the house.
• 2:48:31
  And as far as anybody else knew, that she had to be in that
• 2:48:33
  wheelchair. So it looked like somebody
• 2:48:34
  picked her up and stole her. Not to mention they knew that
• 2:48:37
  she was on multiple medications, that she needed a feeding tube,
• 2:48:39
  that she needed to take multiple medications.
• 2:48:40
  She did a sleep apnea machine. So everyone was assuming that
• 2:48:43
  Gypsy Rose was probably also dead because all those things
• 2:48:45
  were also in the house. So it's coming new.
• 2:48:48
  There were two victims on their hands.
• 2:48:49
  But yes. So by the time the murder
• 2:48:53
  happened, I had moved already. I'd left Aurora, MO for St.
• 2:48:56
  Louis. Missouri and was living there
• 2:48:59
  and when one of my friends who knew Dee Dee came up to, like,
• 2:49:05
  get her mind off it all and everything.
• 2:49:07
  And I was like, what is wrong? What's going on?
• 2:49:11
  And, like, people don't seem right.
• 2:49:16
  And they told me they're like, you remember Gypsy Rose and Dee
• 2:49:19
  Dee? And I'm like, yeah, wheelchair
• 2:49:21
  cancer, you know, Hurricane Katrina.
• 2:49:23
  And they're like, well, Dee Dee was found dead, stabbed.
• 2:49:27
  And the first thing out of my mouth was, oh, my God, is Gypsy
• 2:49:30
  OK? And then they were like, well,
• 2:49:34
  brace yourself. Just how to say that because
• 2:49:38
  what she was. Saying coincides with that of
• 2:49:41
  like. You know when Dee Dee was.
• 2:49:43
  First found dead everyone was like where's gypsy oh God like
• 2:49:46
  what about gypsy you know even me who had been like eh, she's
• 2:49:51
  moving her legs and stuff like that, but I still I it never
• 2:49:54
  occurred to me that she would be fully healthy and it turns out I
• 2:49:57
  was right on that fully healthy and do what she did or allowed
• 2:50:03
  she's not fully healthy she. Has problems, but yeah, just
• 2:50:07
  look at the way she talks and. Walks and operates now and I'm
• 2:50:10
  not even trying to be a bully with that.
• 2:50:11
  It's just like it's just. I have eyes, you know, Wild.
• 2:50:18
  They were wrong on every account.
• 2:50:19
  So within hours of finding Dee Dee's body.
• 2:50:20
  Investigators from the Greene County Sheriff's Office were
• 2:50:22
  working. 2 cases at once a homicide.
• 2:50:24
  And a missing, endangered person, a dying girl out there
• 2:50:27
  somewhere in the dark, away from all of her machines.
• 2:50:29
  And that version of the case survived less than a day because
• 2:50:31
  the deeper detectives dug into the house on West Volunteer Way,
• 2:50:34
  the less sense it made, starting with the paperwork.
• 2:50:36
  The house was drowning in medical documents, but they just
• 2:50:38
  didn't line up records with conflicting birth dates and
• 2:50:40
  multiple versions of the same history and diagnosis that
• 2:50:43
  appeared and vanished from file to file.
• 2:50:44
  And then investigators reached Gypsy's family in Louisiana,
• 2:50:46
  including her father Rod. And what they heard flipped the
• 2:50:49
  case on its head is the missing girl wasn't a young teenager as
• 2:50:52
  everyone in Springfield believed.
• 2:50:53
  She wasn't even a minor at all. Gypsy Rose Blanchard was 23
• 2:50:55
  years old at this point. And piece by piece, the rest
• 2:50:58
  followed relatives with simmering doubts, doctors
• 2:51:00
  records showing clean tests, neighbors story here and
• 2:51:03
  inconsistency there until the picture investigators had
• 2:51:05
  started with just completely disappeared.
• 2:51:06
  So that vulnerable buying child at the center of their missing
• 2:51:08
  persons case didn't even exist at all.
• 2:51:10
  She had really never existed. And the lead detective on the
• 2:51:12
  case, Stanley Hancock, was a veteran investigator.
• 2:51:14
  And he would later say plainly that from the very beginning,
• 2:51:16
  something about the scene simply was not white.
• 2:51:18
  And Sheriff Jim Arnot would go further, calling this the most
• 2:51:20
  bizarre case of his career. Fair enough.
• 2:51:22
  So every layer they peeled back. Just watch Nancy at the Toll
• 2:51:27
  Podcast interview with Sheriff Arnot thinks she did a pretty
• 2:51:30
  darn good. Job.
• 2:51:31
  Something that I wish that would have been out before she did the
• 2:51:34
  interview, though, were those messages between what was it
• 2:51:40
  Mike Stanfield and I want to say it was the prosecutor, Dan
• 2:51:45
  Patterson, Mike Stanfield and Dan Patterson, the District
• 2:51:50
  Attorney. That's it was gotcha and.
• 2:51:54
  I honestly didn't even read too much, I think I just listened.
• 2:51:56
  To a couple of people. I think I've even listened to
• 2:51:58
  maybe you do a video on it or something.
• 2:52:00
  I didn't read. Yeah, I read your mom got the
• 2:52:03
  FOIA on those and I read them all out on my channel.
• 2:52:07
  Because she's so generous. A bit more.
• 2:52:10
  Do you remember a little bit more about?
• 2:52:13
  Well. I do.
• 2:52:14
  Apparent like. You.
• 2:52:16
  Would I guess from the emails there seems.
• 2:52:18
  To be deep trust between Mike Stanfield and Dan Patterson
• 2:52:23
  because Mike would just e-mail Dan and be like, hey, I've went
• 2:52:29
  through the medical records and pulled out the pertinent parts
• 2:52:32
  and put aside the stuff that don't matter to go over with
• 2:52:36
  you. Can I show you it?
• 2:52:38
  And then Dan would ignore him for a while and then just be
• 2:52:41
  like, yeah, sure. And yeah, it seemed like they
• 2:52:49
  had enough. Trust between themselves, that
• 2:52:51
  pretty much. Whatever Mike presented him
• 2:52:54
  with, Dan just went with. I don't know if it's what the
• 2:52:59
  reason is, but that seems to be. How it went.
• 2:53:04
  Try not to get myself in trouble here by saying words that.
• 2:53:09
  You know, could get me in legal. Trouble with them, but because
• 2:53:12
  they're both lawyers, but yeah, it's odd.
• 2:53:15
  For some reason, it seems like Dan just went with whatever Mike
• 2:53:20
  said on this case and eventually in the end, you know, that
• 2:53:25
  includes hand picked evidence and eventually in the end, a
• 2:53:28
  plea deal. Very, very odd stuff, I must
• 2:53:33
  say. So on myself.
• 2:53:34
  Predicted the one before it and while one team dismantled.
• 2:53:37
  The fiction Another followed the digital trail because those
• 2:53:39
  Facebook posts hadn't come from nowhere.
• 2:53:40
  Right. So investigators traced them to
• 2:53:42
  an IP address, and the IP address led to Wisconsin, to a
• 2:53:44
  house in Big Ben, to Nicholas, go to John's house.
• 2:53:46
  And on the evening of June 15th, barely 24 hours after the post
• 2:53:49
  went up, a SWAT team surrounded the small house in Big Bent.
• 2:53:52
  And inside they found Go to John and Gypsy Rose Blanchard alive
• 2:53:55
  and completely unharmed. And when officers brought her
• 2:53:57
  out of that house, that young woman, all of Springfield
• 2:53:59
  believed was dying without her wheelchair, her feeding tube,
• 2:54:00
  her breathing machine, just walked, walked out on her own 2
• 2:54:04
  legs in the next day. Today, back in Missouri, Sheriff
• 2:54:05
  Arnott stood in front of cameras to update the public on the
• 2:54:08
  murder of DD Blanchard. And in the press conference, he
• 2:54:10
  said the words that turned this case into a national obsession.
• 2:54:13
  Gypsy Rose Blanchard, he told the room, was alive, in custody
• 2:54:16
  and walking without any difficulty at all.
• 2:54:18
  And things, he said, were not always what they appeared.
• 2:54:20
  So the community that had built the pink house, the neighbors,
• 2:54:23
  the churches, the charities, the volunteers who had poured years
• 2:54:25
  of love and money into this dying girl, now learned in a
• 2:54:27
  single news cycle that the girl had never really been sick and
• 2:54:29
  the saintly mother had never been honest.
• 2:54:31
  And the daughter was under arrest before her murder.
• 2:54:33
  Like he, he can't write this stuff.
• 2:54:35
  So there's grief and betrayal and sympathy and also rage, just
• 2:54:39
  all of it at once with nowhere to really land.
• 2:54:41
  Because if DD was the monster, her daughter helped kill her.
• 2:54:44
  And if Gypsy was the victim, she was also now a suspect in a
• 2:54:46
  homicide. So on June 15th, 2015, in
• 2:54:48
  separate interview rooms at the County Sheriff's Office in
• 2:54:50
  Wisconsin, detectives sat down with two suspects in the murder
• 2:54:53
  of DD Blanchard. Missouri had sent its own
• 2:54:55
  people. N among them were Detective
• 2:54:56
  Stanley Hancock, the veteran investigator who had been at the
• 2:54:58
  Pink House from the start. And he took the interview that
• 2:55:00
  mattered most, the dying girl who wasn't dying in the missing
• 2:55:03
  person who was now suspect, Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
• 2:55:05
  And Gypsy did what she had been trained over 23 years to do
• 2:55:08
  better than almost anyone alive. She performed.
• 2:55:11
  And in those first hours, she denied everything.
• 2:55:13
  She didn't know anything about the murder.
• 2:55:14
  She didn't know what had happened to her mother.
• 2:55:16
  And the childlike voice in the wide eyes, the the practice
• 2:55:18
  innocence. The same performance that had
• 2:55:20
  disarmed doctors and case workers and police officers for
• 2:55:22
  two decades was now running one last time for an audience of
• 2:55:24
  homicide detectives. That this audience had the crime
• 2:55:27
  scene and the timeline and the Facebook posts.
• 2:55:28
  So under pressure, the story started to shift.
• 2:55:30
  And she would say, yes, you know, she had been at the house
• 2:55:32
  during stabbing. And, and yes, she was the one
• 2:55:34
  who posted to the words on the shared Facebook account.
• 2:55:36
  But to make sure her mother was found, she would say, faster.
• 2:55:39
  And down the hall, Nicholas Godejean required far less
• 2:55:41
  effort. Godejean admitted in that flat
• 2:55:42
  matter of fact way of his that he had come to Springfield to
• 2:55:45
  kill Dee Dee Blanchard. Guy doesn't play hard to get,
• 2:55:46
  tell you what. And he just walked detectives
• 2:55:48
  through the night step by step. And he told them something that
• 2:55:50
  would shape both prosecutions to come.
• 2:55:52
  Because before he did it, he said he asked Gypsy one
• 2:55:54
  question, which was, was she sure she wanted him to kill her
• 2:55:57
  mother? And Gypsy, he said, answered
• 2:55:59
  yes, I used to take a medication.
• 2:56:02
  Yeah, no shit, she said. Yes.
• 2:56:03
  I mean, she got him out there was this.
• 2:56:06
  In my head OK, and it somehow went as.
• 2:56:07
  Part of myself. OK, so when detectives brought
• 2:56:09
  Gouda Jones account back to Gypsy's interview room, the last
• 2:56:11
  of any. Performance she was trying to do
• 2:56:12
  just kind of fell away in what came out of her next hour.
• 2:56:14
  After hour, in careful chronological detail, was not a
• 2:56:17
  confession so much as a life story.
• 2:56:18
  No one in that room was prepared to hear the wheelchair she never
• 2:56:20
  needed, the feeding tube in a stomach that actually worked,
• 2:56:23
  the medications, the surgeries, the shaved head falsified ages.
• 2:56:25
  The doctors, the charities, the chains on the bed.
• 2:56:27
  The detectives had walked in expecting to interview either a
• 2:56:29
  traumatized kidnapping victim or a cold blooded killer.
• 2:56:31
  But they kind of found themselves singing across from
• 2:56:33
  both at once. Investigators would spend weeks
• 2:56:35
  verifying what she told them, pulling the Louisiana records,
• 2:56:37
  re interviewing the doctors, confirming detail after detail.
• 2:56:40
  And the remarkable thing, given the source, is how much of it
• 2:56:42
  checked out. So the girl who had lived her
• 2:56:44
  whole life inside of a lie was about the abuse, largely telling
• 2:56:47
  the truth. And in the meantime, the story
• 2:56:49
  just detonated. Within days, it was national
• 2:56:51
  news, and within weeks, it was international.
• 2:56:53
  And obviously, you know, you can understand why because it
• 2:56:55
  basically broke the one rule most crime stories follow.
• 2:56:57
  And it basically refused to give people a side.
• 2:56:59
  The murdered woman, the Saint, the devoted mother, the charity
• 2:57:01
  darling revealed as one of the most prolific child abusers
• 2:57:04
  anyone had ever heard of, and the sick girl she'd exhibited to
• 2:57:06
  the world for two decades was healthy, grown and complicit in
• 2:57:09
  murder. So the public did what the
• 2:57:10
  detectives had done and what the doctors and neighbors and
• 2:57:12
  charities had done before them, and they looked at Gypsy Rose
• 2:57:14
  Blanchard and tried to figure out what they were looking at or
• 2:57:17
  what they would do in that situation.
• 2:57:18
  And that question was about to become the central problem for
• 2:57:20
  the state of Missouri because sympathy is one thing and
• 2:57:22
  obviously the law is another. So the state of Missouri now had
• 2:57:25
  two people in custody for the murder of DD Blanchard.
• 2:57:27
  And on paper, the charges started in the same place, first
• 2:57:29
  degree murder. But where they ended could not
• 2:57:30
  have been more different. Now Gypsy's court appointed
• 2:57:32
  defense team went to work and their case wasn't built in the
• 2:57:34
  courtroom, it was built in the file rooms of Louisiana
• 2:57:36
  hospitals because remember the medical records Dee Dee claimed
• 2:57:39
  Katrina destroyed existed. And now for the first time in
• 2:57:42
  Gypsy's life, someone with subpoena power went and actually
• 2:57:44
  got them. And what came back was a paper
• 2:57:46
  trail of the entire fraud that her mother committed with a
• 2:57:48
  clean test and negative biopsies and contradictory histories and
• 2:57:51
  decades of documented provable abuse inflicted on the defendant
• 2:57:54
  by the victim. And then there was one more
• 2:57:56
  piece of evidence and that was the the simplest 1 imaginable.
• 2:57:58
  And in her first year in the county jail did something that
• 2:58:00
  tells you exactly how much they understood about evading a
• 2:58:02
  murder investigation. And the amendment was that
• 2:58:07
  evidence of freedom and Greene County.
• 2:58:10
  Prosecutor Dan Patterson looked at the file and.
• 2:58:12
  Said essentially 2 honest things at once.
• 2:58:14
  First, this was legally a first degree murder planned for a
• 2:58:18
  year, facilitated in detail, and he believed he could win the
• 2:58:22
  conviction and put Gypsy away for life.
• 2:58:24
  But second, he did not believe that would be just, so he
• 2:58:28
  offered a deal. I've seen a few people on the
• 2:58:31
  comments say something about provable abuse.
• 2:58:33
  I mean, yeah, I mean. You can't really prove a lot of
• 2:58:38
  it, and a lot of it, she wasn't even saying to Nick that she was
• 2:58:42
  being abused really, You know, like she hardly.
• 2:58:46
  Says it like. She just says to him, my mom
• 2:58:50
  won't help. US.
• 2:58:52
  Get a house and income and be together.
• 2:58:56
  She's being controlling. I mean, yeah.
• 2:59:02
  I don't. Know, ma'am, I don't know.
• 2:59:06
  Second degree murder, 10 years, the minimum the charge.
• 2:59:08
  Allowed so on July 5th, 2016, Gypsy Rose Blanchard stood in a.
• 2:59:11
  Springfield courtroom and pleaded guilty to the second
• 2:59:13
  degree murder of her mother. She admitted her role in
• 2:59:15
  planning the killing and she was sentenced to 10 years in the
• 2:59:17
  Missouri Department of Corrections.
• 2:59:19
  And with everything she'd already served counting toward
• 2:59:20
  it. So one year, almost to the day
• 2:59:22
  after police found Deedee's body, Gypsy Rose's case was
• 2:59:24
  closed and Nicholas Godejan's took longer and ended much, much
• 2:59:27
  worse. Prosecutors offered Godejean
• 2:59:29
  idea as well, but he would turn it down because he'd watched
• 2:59:31
  Gypsy get 10 years and he believed a jury hearing the full
• 2:59:33
  story, the abuse, the manipulation, the Dimona videos,
• 2:59:36
  his own diagnosed vulnerabilities might see him as
• 2:59:38
  something less than a first degree murderer and might give
• 2:59:40
  him something closer to what she got.
• 2:59:41
  But in November of 2018, go to John stood trial for first
• 2:59:44
  degree murder and the star witness against him was Gypsy
• 2:59:46
  Rose Blanchard. And I understand Gypsy did
• 2:59:48
  something that still divides people who study this case.
• 2:59:50
  She witnessed before him. She testified that the plan was
• 2:59:52
  real and that. She said the star witness.
• 2:59:57
  Against him was Gypsy Rose Blanchard.
• 2:59:59
  Didn't she witness for him? I want to say she did.
• 3:00:03
  Anyone in the comments remember? I'm pretty sure she was called.
• 3:00:07
  By his. People and she wrote in.
• 3:00:11
  Both her book and her emails that testifying for him, that
• 3:00:16
  she was the one who planned it, blah blah, blah, was her her
• 3:00:21
  form of redemption for herself and she felt done after that.
• 3:00:25
  Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right on that.
• 3:00:28
  I'm pretty sure. Yeah.
• 3:00:30
  Snowflakes issues. For no misbehavances.
• 3:00:33
  No, it was against him. This, Mallory says.
• 3:00:36
  I also thought it was on his defense.
• 3:00:38
  Ruth Carroll, yes, for him. I guess we're going to have to
• 3:00:41
  look at that after this and we'll I yeah, we'll have to
• 3:00:44
  double check. We got we got both answers.
• 3:00:47
  In the comments we'll try and get a definitive.
• 3:00:49
  Answer for y'all. She had pushed it and that she
• 3:00:52
  talked him into it and his defense argued.
• 3:00:54
  Exactly what you expect a cognitively impaired man.
• 3:00:56
  An IQ in the low 80s, programmed for months by the only person
• 3:00:59
  who had ever really loved him. So the jury deliberated and the
• 3:01:02
  for years said no, because whatever had been whispered into
• 3:01:06
  Nicholas Gojan's ear over those months, he was the one who got
• 3:01:08
  on the. Bus and he was the one who took.
• 3:01:09
  The knife and he was the one who stood over a sleeping 48 year
• 3:01:12
  old woman and her 17 times. And the law had a name for that
• 3:01:16
  and the jury used it. And it was first degree murder.
• 3:01:18
  So he got life in prison with no parole plus 25 years for armed
• 3:01:21
  criminal action. And he was sent to Potosi
• 3:01:23
  Correctional Center, a maximum security prison where Missouri
• 3:01:25
  houses its most serious offenders.
• 3:01:27
  And he has appealed his conviction repeatedly, but every
• 3:01:29
  appeal has failed. So at this point, he will be in
• 3:01:31
  prison for the rest of his life. So in 2016, Gypsy Rose Blanchard
• 3:01:34
  arrived at Chillicothe Correctional Center, a woman's
• 3:01:36
  prison in northern Missouri, to serve out her sentence.
• 3:01:38
  And also immediately she did something quietly remarkable.
• 3:01:41
  She sat down at a prison computer, and she looked up what
• 3:01:43
  had happened to her, because for the first time in her life, no
• 3:01:45
  one was. Is that true?
• 3:01:47
  And she sat down in a prison computer and looked up what
• 3:01:49
  happened to her. I've never heard that before.
• 3:01:52
  I'd. Never heard that before I.
• 3:01:53
  Listened to this and I was like, I mean, I'm not saying.
• 3:01:56
  It's not true, but I've. Never heard it and it doesn't
• 3:01:59
  sound right. I've never heard that.
• 3:02:02
  Also I just did a quick Google and Google says that she was.
• 3:02:06
  A witness against him, like Misbehaven is saying.
• 3:02:10
  I thought sure that she was called Maya's defense somehow,
• 3:02:15
  but I don't know. I must be remembering something
• 3:02:18
  wrong. We'll have to go through look.
• 3:02:20
  Through like the actual. Document see if there's anything
• 3:02:23
  that is and isn't 'cause I know it like especially.
• 3:02:25
  It was like the Google AI overview.
• 3:02:27
  I know that. Yeah, that's often wrong.
• 3:02:30
  So it might be pulling from like an article or something that.
• 3:02:33
  Got it wrong or whatever, but I don't know it.
• 3:02:38
  I feel like I remember there was something controversial about
• 3:02:41
  the way she was called. We'll figure it out and we'll
• 3:02:43
  let y'all know. Monitoring her screen, you know,
• 3:02:46
  to a certain degree because there's obviously prison guards,
• 3:02:48
  but not. Like looking over her shoulder
• 3:02:49
  and no one was squeezing. Her hand to keep her quiet.
• 3:02:52
  And there, in clinical language, Gypsy read the textbook
• 3:02:54
  description on Munchausen syndrome by proxy, the
• 3:02:56
  perpetrator profile, the victim profile and the patterns.
• 3:02:58
  And she also discovered that it wasn't just her and that it
• 3:03:00
  actually happened to other children too, and that none of
• 3:03:02
  it was her fault. And that somewhere in the
• 3:03:04
  literature on the page describing the perpetrators, it
• 3:03:06
  was her own mother. And it kind of reframes
• 3:03:08
  everything about how Gypsy talked about prison because when
• 3:03:10
  ABC's 2020 sat down with her in January of 2018, she said the
• 3:03:13
  same thing that became this case is defining quote.
• 3:03:15
  And now you can. And here at the way she meant
• 3:03:16
  it, saying quote the prison that I was living in before with my
• 3:03:19
  mom, I couldn't walk, I couldn't eat, I couldn't have friends
• 3:03:21
  over here. I feel like I'm freer in prison
• 3:03:23
  than living with my mom because now I'm allowed to just live
• 3:03:26
  like a normal woman. She was.
• 3:03:27
  The prison had a schedule and rules and locked doors, but it
• 3:03:30
  also had solid food and friends her own age and her real
• 3:03:32
  birthday. So it was.
• 3:03:34
  Honestly, an upgrade for her. And while Gypsy served her time
• 3:03:36
  inside, outside she was becoming famous.
• 3:03:38
  And in May 20 minutes was that evidence of freedom.
• 3:03:40
  And Greene County Prosecutor Dan Patterson looked at the file and
• 3:03:43
  said essentially 2 honest things at 1:00.
• 3:03:45
  OK, it's going back over it. Sleep in, upgrade.
• 3:03:48
  OK, this is the last clip. Last clip y'all, we're in the
• 3:03:52
  homestretch. And I'll let y'all know.
• 3:03:54
  Also, she just repeated that. You know.
• 3:03:57
  Gypsy finally got to. Prison and suddenly had solid
• 3:04:01
  food and all that, Gypsy said in her videos.
• 3:04:04
  She loved gumbo, she loved pancakes, you know, blah blah
• 3:04:07
  blah. She she was having food.
• 3:04:09
  Yeah, Royal mashed potatoes. Y'all talked about BBQ.
• 3:04:16
  For her and while Gypsy served her.
• 3:04:18
  Time inside. Outside, she was.
• 3:04:20
  Becoming famous and in May 20. 17 When HBO aired Mommy Dead and
• 3:04:25
  Dearest, a documentary widely praised as a definitive account
• 3:04:27
  of the case. That November, Doctor Phil
• 3:04:29
  dedicated A2 part special to the story.
• 3:04:31
  And in March of 2019 came the big one, The ACT, a Hulu limited
• 3:04:34
  series dramatizing Gypsy's life with Joey King as Gypsy and
• 3:04:36
  Patricia Arquette as DD. And it drew millions of viewers.
• 3:04:39
  And Arquette won the Emmy for her portrayal of DD.
• 3:04:41
  Blanchard and Gypsy watched The ACT from prison, and she
• 3:04:43
  described the experience of seeing her own life impressed
• 3:04:45
  and dramatized for an audience is something so strange that
• 3:04:47
  English didn't quite have a word for it.
• 3:04:49
  And the fame came looking for her, too, just one letter at a
• 3:04:51
  time. And prison pen pal mail poured
• 3:04:53
  in. And in 2017, a young Texan named
• 3:04:55
  Ken Urker wrote to her. You know, As for the ACT thing,
• 3:04:59
  like she said, like you know that she didn't like it.
• 3:05:03
  And that they didn't give her any money or anything, but
• 3:05:05
  that's. Another thing.
• 3:05:06
  I mean, I know she. Didn't say anything about that
• 3:05:07
  really there. That's another thing, when you
• 3:05:10
  look at the prison emails, the people that did the ACT actually
• 3:05:15
  set up like some kind of a fund for her, a trust fund of
• 3:05:19
  $50,000. I believe it was Nick Acosta,
• 3:05:21
  the producer of the ACT Gypsy was talking.
• 3:05:24
  About wanting to sue them for using her name without
• 3:05:28
  permission and blah blah blah and being mad about the
• 3:05:31
  inaccuracies. She was all kinds of mad about
• 3:05:34
  the ACT at 1st, and then Nick Acosta reached out to her in a
• 3:05:37
  prison e-mail and offered her a trust fund of $50,000 and then
• 3:05:43
  she got pretty cool with it. Wonder if Nick got anything out
• 3:05:47
  of that? Probably not.
• 3:05:48
  No, no as. Far as I.
• 3:05:51
  Know no. If he did, I feel like it would
• 3:05:54
  have leaked. Or we would.
• 3:05:55
  Have heard about it in some way like.
• 3:05:57
  I, I can't say definitively no, but I just, there's no evidence,
• 3:06:03
  no fair. I definitely don't have any
• 3:06:05
  interest in searching up Nick's prison emails because.
• 3:06:09
  He's already there. He is where he's at personally,
• 3:06:13
  I believe. Unfortunate.
• 3:06:15
  All that's unfortunate. I think.
• 3:06:16
  That he's where he needs to be. While I think that the trial was
• 3:06:22
  unfair, I'm not a huge proponent of the new trial thing.
• 3:06:27
  I just feel like Missouri could. Use a.
• 3:06:30
  Resources in a better way. I just think Gypsy should have
• 3:06:35
  got the same sentence. I don't.
• 3:06:39
  I'm not. Upset about Nick's.
• 3:06:42
  I know a lot of people disagree, and I'm OK with that.
• 3:06:44
  It doesn't bother me when people disagree.
• 3:06:46
  It's totally fine. Yeah.
• 3:06:48
  I just don't think the. I don't think the way that he
• 3:06:53
  got the sentence is right. I think that the trial was a
• 3:06:55
  little weird, a little wonky, and that I don't think that,
• 3:06:57
  yeah. But like you said, I think he's
• 3:07:01
  where he deserves to be. And I don't think that a mental
• 3:07:05
  hospital is going to be a better place for him, that's for damn
• 3:07:07
  sure. In prison, you can have some
• 3:07:11
  senses of normalcy. And he's also training puppies.
• 3:07:14
  So that's always, you know, that's a small bright side on
• 3:07:18
  the otherwise situation that has very little bright sides, you
• 3:07:23
  know, from what we've heard. He's pretty well settled.
• 3:07:26
  Where he is as good as you can be, no so.
• 3:07:31
  After watching the HBO documentary.
• 3:07:33
  And letters became phone calls, and phone calls became visits
• 3:07:35
  and during one of. Those visits in 2018?
• 3:07:36
  Ken actually proposed. And Gypsy said yes, it was her
• 3:07:39
  first engagement conducted entirely inside a prison.
• 3:07:41
  And by 2019, under the weight of public scrutiny and outside
• 3:07:43
  pressure, it fell apart. And then in 2020, came another
• 3:07:46
  letter public scrutiny and outside pressures that, in a
• 3:07:50
  nice way of saying Fancy Micelli leaked to the.
• 3:07:54
  Press and then they got mad and then Fancy cursed her out and it
• 3:07:58
  was. The whole thing.
• 3:08:01
  Or. At least that's what they say.
• 3:08:02
  Who knows? I mean, I'm sure there was more
• 3:08:04
  that went into it, but. Anyway, and this one.
• 3:08:06
  Was from Ryan Anderson a special?
• 3:08:07
  Education teacher from Louisiana and it was the same arc, you
• 3:08:10
  know, letters, calls, visits, love.
• 3:08:11
  And this one went. All the way.
• 3:08:12
  And in the summer of 2022, Gypsy Rose Blanchard was married in a
• 3:08:15
  small ceremony inside the correctional center.
• 3:08:16
  So it was a prison wedding covered breathlessly by media
• 3:08:19
  that had never stopped watching. And in September of 2023, the
• 3:08:21
  Missouri Parole Board confirmed what the math already said.
• 3:08:23
  Gypsy had served the required portion of her 10 year sentence,
• 3:08:26
  roughly 8 1/2 years counting from her arrest and parole was
• 3:08:28
  granted. And on the morning of December
• 3:08:29
  28th, 2020, three Gypsy walked out at the Chillicothe
• 3:08:32
  Correctional Center, a free woman, into the arms of her
• 3:08:34
  husband and into something no parole board could have prepared
• 3:08:37
  her for. Within hours, she posted her
• 3:08:38
  first selfie because the audience was already waiting for
• 3:08:40
  her. I mean, people have watched
• 3:08:41
  eight years worth of documentaries and dramatizations
• 3:08:43
  and Doctor Phil specials. So she had garnered a fan base.
• 3:08:46
  And in the final days of 2023, that fan base got what it
• 3:08:48
  wanted. And Gypsy Rose Blanchard stepped
• 3:08:50
  out of the screen and just into the public.
• 3:08:52
  And the numbers were pretty staggering because before her
• 3:08:53
  release, Gypsy's Instagram sat at just over 1,000,000
• 3:08:55
  followers. Within weeks, it had nearly
• 3:08:57
  quadrupled to Four point Ruth. He's actually not an orphan.
• 3:09:01
  His mom, unfortunately, did pass away.
• 3:09:05
  But his? Dad's still alive.
• 3:09:06
  He's coming to our comment sections a couple times.
• 3:09:09
  So our live stream chats, so 7 million.
• 3:09:14
  So the Internet just came calling immediately.
• 3:09:15
  And Good Morning America sat down with her within the first
• 3:09:17
  week of January. In a headline interview with
• 3:09:19
  Deborah Roberts. And then The View and CNN, just
• 3:09:21
  everyone. And it was in that GMA interview
• 3:09:23
  that Gypsy gave the line that would define her public defense,
• 3:09:25
  looking back at the murder and saying simply that she never
• 3:09:27
  wanted her mother dead. She wanted out of her situation
• 3:09:29
  and she believed at the time. Don't think that's really true.
• 3:09:33
  I personally think that at least according to the evidence, it
• 3:09:36
  seems like at least at the. Time she might have had some
• 3:09:39
  kind of almost a sexual attraction, maybe to the idea of
• 3:09:44
  murdering her mother. Perhaps I don't want to say
• 3:09:47
  that. 100% definitively. Well, I mean, we know what they
• 3:09:52
  did in bed where they could see a Didi's bed.
• 3:09:56
  So like I said, I don't want to say anything 100% definitively,
• 3:10:01
  but you get the vibes you. Know yeah who knows where she's
• 3:10:06
  at with that today but it happened so.
• 3:10:11
  That this. Was the only way out, and
• 3:10:12
  meanwhile Lifetime had timed it shot perfectly, as Hollywood
• 3:10:15
  does, and on January 5th. 2024. Eight days after her release,
• 3:10:18
  the network premiered the prison Confessions of Gypsy Rose
• 3:10:20
  Blanchard, six hours of Gypsy telling her own story filmed
• 3:10:23
  inside the prison on the eve of her parole hearing.
• 3:10:25
  And by lifetime Zone account, it reached 9.8 million viewers
• 3:10:27
  across its linear and digital platforms, the network's best
• 3:10:29
  non fiction performance in two years.
• 3:10:30
  And this is also the series where Gypsy revealed publicly
• 3:10:32
  for the first time the BB gun story you heard earlier.
• 3:10:34
  And her own account told her own way to an audience of millions.
• 3:10:37
  And nothing like this trajectory had ever happened.
• 3:10:39
  One week she's a Missouri inmate, and next she's one of
• 3:10:41
  the most talked about people on the Internet, a convicted
• 3:10:43
  accomplice to murder, feeded, followed and photographed like a
• 3:10:47
  modern day pop star. And the public's response was,
• 3:10:49
  to put it gently, complicated. There was enormous, genuine
• 3:10:52
  sympathy. And people had watched the act
• 3:10:53
  and they knew about the feeding tube and the chains and they
• 3:10:56
  were rooting for her. But there was also raw
• 3:10:57
  fascination of what does a person look like on the other
• 3:10:59
  side of a life like that? And underneath both of those
• 3:11:02
  from the first week, there was a quieter current of discomfort
• 3:11:04
  because a woman was dead and the person who helped planet was
• 3:11:08
  doing red carpets. And Gypsy herself said all the
• 3:11:11
  right things. She wanted peace and quiet and
• 3:11:13
  normalcy. She reunited with her father
• 3:11:15
  Rod, the man her mother had completely erased, and his wife
• 3:11:17
  Christy in Louisiana. And it was a real reunion and
• 3:11:20
  long overdue. But the cameras followed her
• 3:11:21
  down to the Bayou too, so normalcy was never actually on
• 3:11:23
  the table for her. Lifetime had already Green left
• 3:11:25
  follow up series about her post prison life before January was
• 3:11:28
  over. Because Hollywood, as we know,
• 3:11:29
  knows no boundaries. In Hollywood was about to get an
• 3:11:31
  incredible season of content because the marriage at the
• 3:11:33
  center of the fairy tale ending the prison wedding, the husband
• 3:11:36
  waiting at the gate began falling apart almost
• 3:11:37
  immediately. And by late March 2024, three
• 3:11:39
  months after her release, Gypsy announced on Facebook that she
• 3:11:41
  and Myne Anderson had separated and that she moved in with her
• 3:11:44
  parents. And in early April, she
• 3:11:45
  underwent A rhinoplasty documented for the cameras,
• 3:11:47
  describing the surgery as a reclamation, a body finally on
• 3:11:50
  her own terms, which Julio Queen, you know.
• 3:11:52
  And days later, on April 8th, she filed for divorce.
• 3:11:54
  And within weeks, an old name resurfaced, the first fiance,
• 3:11:57
  the 2017 letter. So I don't know about y'all, but
• 3:12:00
  I feel like we kind of got all the important stuff.
• 3:12:02
  I don't really care too much better than that.
• 3:12:05
  We have the last, the first couple months out of prison,
• 3:12:09
  Misbehavin just said. What's the point of this life if
• 3:12:13
  y'all aren't going to correct? This stuff but.
• 3:12:15
  The thing is, we've been going for over 3 hours now and we've
• 3:12:19
  corrected so much. Like you know, I said girl, you
• 3:12:23
  need to go back and rewatch. But also like, I'm not sure if
• 3:12:27
  you caught the hair. Corrected stuff.
• 3:12:30
  Since you've been in here, I'm a little confused.
• 3:12:32
  I I. Think she just caught some of
• 3:12:34
  the last. Part where like, you know, it's
• 3:12:36
  like we've corrected so much that.
• 3:12:38
  We're just kind of letting her ramble to try and get through it
• 3:12:41
  because we've been on so long. Yeah.
• 3:12:44
  So anyway, that's pretty much that again, no?
• 3:12:49
  No hate to Chris, I think she did the best that she knew how.
• 3:12:52
  Like you said, I do think she probably had a team that kind of
• 3:12:55
  found it and went over most of it for her.
• 3:12:57
  And, you know, just going by the mainstream sources and that's a
• 3:13:02
  lot of that's another thing. A lot of people don't like to
• 3:13:04
  take YouTube channels, the sources or anything like that,
• 3:13:08
  you know, and, and obviously my mom has a bunch of like
• 3:13:11
  documents that you could actually physically like look at
• 3:13:13
  yourself. But most people aren't going to
• 3:13:16
  get that just from, you know, just a, just a small search on
• 3:13:21
  the Internet or, you know, whatever.
• 3:13:22
  So yeah, I. Hope that.
• 3:13:25
  She's able to, you know, find the truth.
• 3:13:27
  And if she. If she's able to see this, maybe
• 3:13:32
  the stuff that we said will help point her in the right
• 3:13:34
  directions. I'm hoping so.
• 3:13:37
  I'm hoping that she watches. If she doesn't, that's OK.
• 3:13:40
  I'm hoping that she's at least able to.
• 3:13:41
  Find some. Of the full yes and at the end
• 3:13:44
  of the day, not everybody's going to agree with us.
• 3:13:46
  We're just trying to spur them and I don't even know 100.
• 3:13:50
  Percent what I believe about every little aspect of the
• 3:13:54
  crime. Gypsy as a person, anything, you
• 3:13:56
  know, we're all complicated individuals.
• 3:13:59
  I definitely don't trust the narrative that's been put forth.
• 3:14:03
  And for like the eighth time in this live stream, I'm going to
• 3:14:06
  say again is that there's his side.
• 3:14:08
  Her side and the. Truth.
• 3:14:09
  And it's somewhere in the middle.
• 3:14:11
  And you know, we'll never know. I am hoping.
• 3:14:19
  I don't know. I don't really.
• 3:14:20
  I'm never really going to believe.
• 3:14:21
  Anything that comes out of Gypsy's mouth.
• 3:14:22
  I'm excited to see this pretend. Podcast, I don't have too much
• 3:14:27
  to talk about, you know what to say about it.
• 3:14:29
  It wasn't worth, you know, doing a whole live stream about or
• 3:14:31
  anything like that. You know, I'm hopeful.
• 3:14:35
  You know, my mother and I did speak with Javier and he's not
• 3:14:43
  someone to just, in my opinion, just.
• 3:14:46
  Take what? Everybody.
• 3:14:47
  You know what? One person has to say.
• 3:14:49
  And just like not do anything with it, you know what I mean?
• 3:14:52
  I think he's doing his due diligence.
• 3:14:54
  He is looking into the foyers. I don't know.
• 3:14:58
  I think he seems like a good dude and I'm excited to see what
• 3:15:02
  he does and. You know.
• 3:15:04
  Maybe there's things I'll agree with, maybe there's things I
• 3:15:06
  won't agree with, but you know, we're not going to know until
• 3:15:09
  the 11th when it starts to come out.
• 3:15:11
  So I guess they for that. So yeah.
• 3:15:16
  And stop talking shit y'all like just let them figure it out and
• 3:15:21
  they have video first at least let them post the video and then
• 3:15:24
  talk shit, you know, because none of us know what it's going
• 3:15:26
  to be like. And I talk to them, you know so
• 3:15:28
  people allowed to feel how they feel, you know whatever.
• 3:15:32
  I'm not saying they can't talk shit.
• 3:15:33
  I just people are a. Little too quick to get.
• 3:15:36
  Angry at people? Just like, you know, who knows
• 3:15:40
  what it's going to be like? Yeah, your feelings are valid,
• 3:15:42
  but I don't know. Stop being so mean.
• 3:15:46
  Don't need to be mean to them. So anyway, I don't know.
• 3:15:50
  So that's pretty much all I have to say.
• 3:15:56
  I don't know do. You have anything?
• 3:15:57
  Else to add to it. Millennial.
• 3:16:00
  Not really, I think. We, you know, we covered
• 3:16:02
  everything. As good as we could that it was
• 3:16:05
  a really. Long live because that was a lot
• 3:16:07
  we had a lot to say at the beginning.
• 3:16:09
  We were stopping every few seconds to correct this and that
• 3:16:13
  and discuss our tone and everything.
• 3:16:15
  At the end we got a little like just kind of letting it go
• 3:16:18
  through because we we done said enough about it.
• 3:16:21
  But yeah, I just, I really hope I I like her style and the way
• 3:16:26
  she delivers. I just hope that she's able to
• 3:16:29
  do a little more research and maybe the things that we said
• 3:16:34
  will help her have some directions.
• 3:16:36
  And, you know, at the end of the day, if she looks at everything
• 3:16:39
  and she still feels how she feels, that's her right.
• 3:16:42
  You know, we might not feel the same way, but just whatever.
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  Yeah. No, absolutely.
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  She, I mean, hopefully at least she does the research and then
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  she gives her own conclusion on her own instead of just you.
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  Know yeah if if she goes through all the information and then
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  still feels how she feels. Like, I might not agree with
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  her, but I'll be like, well, you know, at least you reviewed all
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  the sources before you come to your conclusion.
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  You know, a conclusion based on a fraction of the information
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  isn't worth a lot in any kind of context.
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  Yeah, absolutely. OK, Well I'm going to go through
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  some of the chats or not the chats, but.
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  The starred stuff over here that I missed, so if you'd like to
• 3:17:23
  get out of here. Thank you so much, Millie, for
• 3:17:26
  coming up and hanging out. Awesome.
• 3:17:29
  Thank you. Thank you everyone in the chat.
• 3:17:30
  Have a good night. Thanks.
• 3:17:32
  Have a good night, Millie. OK, so I'm going to go and I'm
• 3:17:37
  going. To read awesome stuff and I
• 3:17:39
  will. Say this right here real quick.
• 3:17:41
  So I don't want to involve Millie in my personal opinions
• 3:17:44
  because I don't know how she feels and everything obsession.
• 3:17:48
  I get that. I think he might delve a little
• 3:17:51
  bit into some of the problematic stuff that the anti gypsy side
• 3:17:55
  has done. I don't really know.
• 3:17:57
  Again, I've at least spoken to him a little bit.
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  But I'm sorry, I agree, some people are fucking obsessed and
• 3:18:04
  it's kind of weird how obsessed some people are.
• 3:18:07
  I mean, it is what it is. I've had more issues with people
• 3:18:10
  on the anti gypsy side than I have with gypsy or people on the
• 3:18:13
  pro gypsy side. There's some people that are on
• 3:18:17
  the anti gypsy side that are like worse in my opinion.
• 3:18:22
  I don't think that we should and I'm.
• 3:18:25
  Not saying that's all at you, by the way.
• 3:18:27
  Sorry, I forgot to look at the name Glamom's Backup.
• 3:18:30
  Yeah. And that's not at you, by the
• 3:18:32
  way. It was just something that I was
• 3:18:33
  thinking of. But yeah, I don't know.
• 3:18:39
  I don't. I feel like a lot of times
• 3:18:41
  people will be like, oh. Well, this person did this.
• 3:18:45
  But at least they didn't murder their mother.
• 3:18:46
  And it's like, is the bar really that low?
• 3:18:49
  I don't know. Some of these people kind of
• 3:18:51
  suck, and I know some of these people personally.
• 3:18:53
  So anyway, that's beside the point.
• 3:18:58
  So I'm going to go ahead and go through the Super chats again.
• 3:19:00
  That wasn't like anything like insulting.
• 3:19:02
  Towards anybody in particular? It's just like just how I feel.
• 3:19:07
  You can't pay me to talk to half the people in this community
• 3:19:10
  anymore after some. Of the shit I've seen and been.
• 3:19:12
  Through but nobody here. Everyone here that's in this
• 3:19:15
  chat is fine. So anyway, OK, thank you so
• 3:19:20
  much. I still don't understand how
• 3:19:22
  these YouTube gifts work, so I'm very thankful for them.
• 3:19:26
  I just, I just don't know what they mean.
• 3:19:27
  So thank you so much. For the for the jewels.
• 3:19:31
  Thank you so and beauty and then 1970s Gen.
• 3:19:34
  Xer moderates gifted 5 Into the Weeds podcast memberships.
• 3:19:37
  Thank you so much for that. We always appreciate you 1970
• 3:19:41
  and he's a very nice guy, just so y'all know.
• 3:19:45
  Thank you Cherokee girl. It's very nice to see you here
• 3:19:47
  again and thank you again. Cherokee girl made it to
• 3:19:51
  YouTube. Should oh made it YouTube should
• 3:19:54
  be fired. No notice.
• 3:19:55
  Oh yeah. I feel like I don't get
• 3:19:57
  notifications for most of the people that I watch either.
• 3:19:59
  So it's it's crazy. Maybe you could UN notify
• 3:20:03
  yourself and then click it again.
• 3:20:04
  I don't know if that's going to happen.
• 3:20:06
  So anyway, sorry about that. Hello.
• 3:20:12
  I tried to read your name. Earlier and I just my brain is
• 3:20:16
  not computing, but thank you so much.
• 3:20:19
  Thank you so much for your gift and then thank you again 1970
• 3:20:25
  for an additional 5 podcast memberships and then again to
• 3:20:29
  just a lot T for you. I think I got it whoopsie.
• 3:20:32
  My brain's kind of not firing on all cylinders, but anyway, thank
• 3:20:36
  you so much I. Appreciate it.
• 3:20:39
  Thank you. We're going to have to put
• 3:20:40
  something on our on our membership thing.
• 3:20:43
  There is a little bit of a back catalog, nothing too crazy.
• 3:20:46
  There's a funny little Jeopardy game that we did, but we don't
• 3:20:50
  talk to most of the people that were on there anymore anyway.
• 3:20:55
  Silver Star, thank you again so much.
• 3:20:57
  I really appreciate it. Toxic Barbie thank.
• 3:21:00
  You so much. For the 550 jewels, I talked to
• 3:21:02
  her every once in a while on Instagram.
• 3:21:05
  I'm bad at talking. To you even like people that I
• 3:21:07
  know in my real life, so so I always I really enjoy talking a
• 3:21:11
  toxic Barbie. She's very sweet.
• 3:21:14
  And then again. Josh thought, Oh my God, I'm
• 3:21:18
  going to stop trying to say your name because I'm sounding really
• 3:21:20
  stupid right now. But anyway, thank you guys all
• 3:21:24
  so much. I appreciate every single last
• 3:21:26
  one of you and a big thank you to Millie for showing up and
• 3:21:30
  also watch some of our other videos.
• 3:21:32
  I really appreciate people being here for Gypsy.
• 3:21:34
  But it's already a done deal. She served her time.
• 3:21:37
  She's not going back. But we also cover some missing
• 3:21:40
  persons cases and I feel like that's a lot more important.
• 3:21:43
  Or some unsolved cold cases. So we're working hard.
• 3:21:47
  Like I said separately, I'm working on a Chris Hansen
• 3:21:51
  expose. I ran into him too many times.
• 3:21:56
  A crime con. It's not even funny.
• 3:21:57
  And after doing more research, because I knew about this stuff
• 3:22:00
  from a few years ago, but it's so much worse than I thought it
• 3:22:03
  was. Oh my God, it's so much worse.
• 3:22:04
  So anyway, working on that and something with the Flying
• 3:22:08
  Spaghetti Monster. So anyway, if you're.
• 3:22:11
  Interested in that maybe? Consider subscribing to my
• 3:22:13
  YouTube channel that I haven't uploaded anything to, but I'm
• 3:22:16
  always in the comments sections of random things so you'll find
• 3:22:19
  me eventually. Allure flowers not to plug
• 3:22:21
  myself, there's nothing on there yet.
• 3:22:23
  So anyway, thank you guys all so much, I really love it and
• 3:22:27
  appreciate every single one of you.
• 3:22:28
  I'm going to shut up now. We're at 3 hours and 22 minutes.
• 3:22:32
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