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EP 39: Discussing The Current NFC Playoff Picture · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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  3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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  Welcome to three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  Welcome to episode 39 of three guys 6 balls NFL podcast.
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  I'm your host Joel, and as always I'm joined by my 2 Co
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  hosts Will and Avery. How you guys doing today?
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  So good. You know I've been better,
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  right? It's rough weekends but I'm the
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  only crystal. Ranch.
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  Lost. Besides that, rest of the
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  weekend was great. How are you?
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  I'm hanging in there. Just a warning to everybody
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  who's listening. There is a strong possibility
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  that you will hear my kids screaming in the background or
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  possibly talking right next to this microphone during this
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  episode because there is currently nobody watching my
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  kids except for my wife, who cannot walk.
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  So, yeah. All right, Well, to get us
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  started, last week I told you guys I got you guys a little
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  gift for Christmas and it arrived.
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  So why don't you guys go ahead and open it, see what's inside?
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  What's in the box? Let's hug you out.
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  Oh oh. No poku nukua.
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  Oh no, this year Poku Nukua even that's at 12 and out of 17.
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  This must have been a last year Mike Evans 'cause he's in
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  uniform. He's up.
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  He's up. He's standing.
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  I tried to find a Tez Johnson for you, Avery, but there was
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  only a Mike Evans. There's no way that exists.
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  There's no way that. Exists.
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  I know, I know I I tried. I'd looked everywhere I possibly
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  could and there was nothing I I. Remember like well are with
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  these, Are you supposed to keep them in the box or are?
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  You I was going to ask the same question.
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  Am I allowed to use? This or is that just for
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  collector stuff because I don't plan on selling.
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  Them, I don't actually know. I don't actually know.
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  If you guys want to open it, go for it.
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  I will. I just thought you guys needed a
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  little bit. I don't think I've ever seen one
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  after the box. Yeah, I just thought you guys
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  needed a little bit of just some extra decoration, you know?
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  That's what I'm going to do right now.
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  You mean my daughter's pink curtains behind me?
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  Don't do a justice in here. It's more of the flower thing on
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  the wall that does it for me. Yeah, that's what I was saying.
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  I was thinking like Mike Evans. I'm like, Oh yeah.
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  Because probably because most of our favorite players are too new
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  or don't have one made yet. Right, exactly.
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  Can't even see that. Or a baller?
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  Is he so white he looks white? Well, he's American.
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  Well, not compared to not compared to Puku Nukua if you
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  compare him to Puku Nukua, no, I was talking about.
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  Puka, I was talking about yours. I was talking about yours.
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  I I was talking about my. Life really bright.
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  As I go, it comes with the authentic oh, you can't even see
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  it. This is bad.
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  This is this for our audio listeners.
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  We have Pook and I got a Pook and you could and Avery got a
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  Mike Evans Funko Pop and we got Joe absolutely nothing because
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  we're bad humans. That's true.
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  So but it. Did I could not expect anything
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  in return, so I. Understand it came with the
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  authentic Aaron Rodgers single button chin strap, so that's
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  cool. I'm glad that they can keep that
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  in Classic. Yeah.
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  Thank you, Joe. I appreciate it.
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  Thank you very much. Merry Christmas.
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  Merry Christmas to you, as you can tell again for our.
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  Merry Christmas. I'm.
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  Wearing a Christmas sweater with an orangutan.
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  Putting a star on a Christmas tree.
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  And this is only going to get worse as we keep recording in
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  December. Will call me today and ask me at
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  least had a dress code. I will be wearing clothes all
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  December, don't worry, but I did, I did call it specifically
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  ask the question, Hey, do we do we have a dress code on our
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  podcast? I have for those that don't work
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  with me, I have one piece of Christmas clothing, whether it's
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  a sweater like this or like a shirt or something for every
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  working day in December. So I'm already two days in with
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  different like wearing a different thing.
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  So you guys remember the like the the teacher vests from like
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  the the early 2000s when they wear like a blouse and like a
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  three button vest. Today I wore a Christmas one
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  that had like a snowman as a Christmas tree and some presents
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  is beautiful. Just one I thought about wearing
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  it here, but it, it doesn't fit anymore.
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  You have to leave it open the whole time.
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  And so, yeah, so here we are. So this Christmas sweater is the
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  most tame that you will be wearing.
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  I don't I don't know if it's the most tame, but it's it's one of
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  the two most tame, that's for sure.
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  Next week is also fairly tame, but.
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  Then the two weeks after that. Completely distracted.
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  An absolute distraction. Like I should not wear them, but
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  it's going to be an absolute distraction and I'm not going to
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  stop. I don't.
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  Mine's distracting but for a totally different reason.
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  If this light was any brighter it would just be just completely
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  clipped. I wouldn't have, it's too white.
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  All right, well, let's get this thing rolling here.
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  Let's get this thing rolling here.
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  So to start off each episode in December, I'm going to ask you
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  guys a Christmas question. And so this week's question is,
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  what is your favorite Christmas movie?
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  Oh, the Jim Carrey granks, hands down.
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  That's a good, pretty good one. There's a lot of great Christmas
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  movies I'm. Trying to Oh, no, I know.
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  Joel knows. Cassidy definitely knows.
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  Do you want to take a? You want to take a crack at it?
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  What is it? Is it ELF?
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  No, I actually am not a huge fan of ELF.
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  Is it Christmas vacation? It is Christmas vacation, yeah.
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  That's mine too. That's mine too.
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  I I think it just has, I don't know if I just watched that with
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  the deerings a few times or whatever, but I know like there
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  was a stint where Cassidy and I would quote it like a lot.
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  I mean, not even not even like the typical one, like where are
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  you going to put a tree that big?
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  But like it would anytime we were drinking anything, we'd be
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  like, it's good, it's good, it's good.
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  That's fine. And over and I'll show you and.
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  Over and I'll show you. All right, cool.
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  Well, Will, why don't you get us going here with your Week 13
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  wrap up? Absolutely.
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  What a full what a fun week of football or a week in the
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  football. We had hope everyone had a happy
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  Thanksgiving because football was feasting this weekend and it
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  started hot in Detroit. We had Packers at the Lions.
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  Packers lead early and never worked back.
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  Jordan Love and that Packers offense had their way with the
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  Lions defense. I just thought Lions team does
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  not look good down the stretch here and watch out for them
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  missing the playoffs. They play the Cowboys next week
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  and the Rams the week after that.
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  So 33 Packers, Cowboys and Rams three straight games.
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  Tough week. I think that whoever wins out of
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  the the Lions and Cowboys next week, the winner will make the
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  playoffs. The loser will miss the
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  playoffs. I think it's a pivotal game next
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  week for that. I had the same thought and.
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  Then following that, we had Chiefs at Cowboys.
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  Cowboys went big on Thanksgiving against against Chiefs.
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  Dallas maybe the hottest team in the league right now and look at
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  their schedule. They could win eight straight
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  going into the playoffs and make a playoff game.
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  It is legitimately possible with the Eagles lost this week they
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  have a chance to win the NFC East somehow.
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  I've already said in the show, well might as well just track it
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  up. Eagles win the East, have a
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  repeat conference share, division champion.
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  The way it's turning out, it might not happen.
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  Then we had Bengals, Ravens. This Ravens team looks bad
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  again, man. They are right back in the bad
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  column. They were good and now they're
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  bad and they went. And you know what?
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  When the Ravens are bad, they're real bad.
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  But the Bengals make the apparent right choice to bring
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  Joe Burrow back and key to the key division to win.
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  They also have a chance to win that division.
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  AFC North wide open. We have Bears at Eagles.
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  Eagles give up over 100 rushing yards to two different running
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  backs. I think it was over 125 rushing
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  yards, two different running backs.
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  I think in a monumental collapse with Eagles, team has headed in
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  the wrong direction at the wrong time.
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  Kay Williams, still not good. He is OK, still not good, but
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  that team is good. They are leading the league in
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  the turnovers. I may have been wrong about the
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  Bears, but I'm not ready to cement it in yet.
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  They they had, they don't have the AFC North locked up.
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  They don't have the number one seed locked up.
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  They're currently in the number one seed, but that's.
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  Not. Stay.
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  Strong, stay strong. The the Bears will make the
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  playoffs. I will concede that.
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  I don't think they there is a way they won't, right.
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  If they lose out, they won't make the playoffs, but chances
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  are low that happens. And we'll also don't don't
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  forget Rex Grossman took the Bears to the Super Bowl.
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  I'm aware, yeah, right. If the Bears don't need a good
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  quarterback, they're again, they're leading the league in
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  turnovers, right? They've got three of three of
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  the top five interception leaders come from the Bears this
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  season. That's that's really good,
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  right? You've got a really good
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  defense. Ben Johnson and whoever their
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  different coordinator is could not tell you they're doing a
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  good job. Saints played the Dolphins.
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  Dolphin wins. Who cares?
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  Texans and Colts. Texans win big inside the
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  division. CJ Stradler goodness first came
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  back. This defense could be a problem
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  if they're able to make the playoffs.
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  Falcons at Jets Jets hit a moral victory over the Falcons.
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  Falcons because it doesn't really mean anything but the
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  Falcons providing the Rams friends.
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  They're only real good news of the day as they as the Rams now
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  hold the number 9 pick from the Falcons. 49ers at Browns get
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  mouse care off this damn team. Sorry Dwayne Niners win.
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  What else do you think happened? This Browns team is bad.
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  Well, I you know, I said I said it don't work.
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  My bad. We have Rams at Panthers.
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  Rams forget how to play defense and lose the number one seed in
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  the playoffs. Hey, Panthers are a good
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  football team that need to be taken seriously.
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  They they still have a shot division title right there in
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  the AFC S maybe even the wild card game with the tiebreaker,
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  because they have wins over the Packers and the Cowboys and now
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  the Rams. And so with with key conference
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  wins, they've got some tiebreaker wins there.
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  They they could make a final spot in the playoffs.
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  Maybe that's why the Packers and Cowboys ties.
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  They keep that half game lead over the Panthers.
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  If they do have the same record Jags, the Titans Jags win the
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  Titans team is really bad. It's going to be bad for a long
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  time. The last time they were good
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  when Mike Fraber was in the building and now he's running
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  AFC for a whole different team. Cardinals have bucks, but
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  Cardinals have soft bench kind of Murray and they're aren't
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  they're not even willing to practice him anymore.
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  He's still on IR or whatever his wasn't designated designated to
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  come back from that even though his time windows up.
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  Tristan Worse a welcome back Bucky Irving.
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  Tristan Worse is now tied with Kyle Pitts for receiving
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  touchdowns in the year Bucks for the close 1-2 touchdowns.
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  The difference maker in this game this Bucks Bucks and he
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  needs some help to make a deep push in the playoffs.
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  Seahawks went at home by themselves.
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  No one else played out there in that field.
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  No one is happier about this win, the Seahawks win and J
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  sorry, Seahawks did play in the Minnesota Vikings.
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  They just didn't score any points.
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  So no one is happy about this this loss for the Vikings and JJ
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  McCarthy, who somehow got shown to be the you're right all by
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  his. Name you're calling the.
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  Wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  No one is happy about this win or the the loss than the 9 who
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  somehow got shown to me the best available quarterback in
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  Minnesota this year. Bills.
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  Ask Steelers. Bills run the same play and I've
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  seen numbers between 26 and 29 times.
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  It wasn't in a row, but they ran a zone left and a zone right
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  that could marked as the same play.
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  It's it's like if you're playing Madden, you can just push your
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  right trigger or whatever to flat play.
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  It's the same player, you're just flipping sides.
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  And he ran in between 26 and 29 times, about 180 yards off of
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  it. And if you're a professional
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  team and the other team is running the same play over 20 *
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  / 25 times on you and they get basically 200 yards of offense
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  from it, that's really bad. Steelers fans Boo their home
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  team at home. They lose their third.
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  They lost their third home game this year while having a lead at
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  halftime that that's not good. This team is not good, but the
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  Bills get a big win to stay in the playoff race because it was
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  not looking good there for a minute.
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  Raiders are Chargers. Chargers probably at their last
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  one of the season against the second worst team in the NFL.
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  They play in consecutive weeks here, the Eagles, the Chiefs to
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  Cowboys and Texans and the Broncos to finish the year.
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  We'll see you next year, Church. Yeah, I know.
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  That's why I said they may have. They may have got their last win
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  of the season. That it.
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  Hurts. Maybe not, but my we'll see you
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  next year. Chargers.
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  Yeah, that's that's a murdered row.
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  That's because this Eagles team right now, they've got to get
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  back in the win column. Then we had Broncos that
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  Commanders and arguably the best game of the weekend, which with
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  what may have been the catch of the year, even though Puka Nukua
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  and Brock Bowers in the same weekend have arguments to make
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  their commanders go for the win and the two point conversion
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  overtime. And I watched the all 22 of this
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  play. Did you have you guys seen this
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  two point conversion? Yes, I saw it, Yeah.
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  So I watched the all 22 zoomed outlook.
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  It was a incredibly designed play.
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  And had Nick Benigno not swatted that ball, which of course.
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  Well, yeah, of course, if he doesn't do that, they're going
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  to score. But that the the running back
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  who was out in the flat there, he had no one within 10 yards of
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  him. He was going to roll into the
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  end zone. That's how how much space he
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  had. So the Broncos get lucky.
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  Their defense steps up again to make a play because this offense
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  just isn't doing enough, which is hard to say.
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  For that, the coach. Mariota, what do you mean the?
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  Defense is making a play. No, it should the receiver if
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  you want to place them on anybody there.
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  They had trip trips, I think a bunch of trips on on the left
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  hand side. The inside receiver should have
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  got a chip on Nick Bonito, pushed him off balance, didn't
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  even touch him. Was too busy looking at the
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  safety. If you get one hand on him being
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  an off balance, he does not make that play.
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  Mariota is able to get over or I mean maybe Mariona right double
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  clutch. He like Nick Benigno left his
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  feet. Mariona's very athletic make a
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  move that guy's still going to be open.
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  I don't know and then the the hilarious game of the weekend we
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  had giants at Pats and the Monday Night Football game is is
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  ESPN back on YouTube TV? Are they back?
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  I I didn't know that. Yeah.
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  Sorry you had to watch this game, though, Although it it did
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  provide some humor. All right, so Pat's win and the
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  Giants are bad, but it could be worse.
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  But not really in this game. Dart, Jackson Dart got sent
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  helicoptering on the sideline, and he has Patrick Mahomes today
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  for that. He was inbounds.
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  And earlier this year, Patrick Mahomes ran the sideline and
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  then trucked, dropped his shoulder into a corner.
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  Patrick Mahomes screwed everybody on this play.
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  He's been doing that years. Well, it it got brought to light
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  this year and I heard from a different podcast that a memo
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  has gone out for the referees and say unless the quarterback
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  is actually out of bounds, you cannot throw that flat.
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  And so they're actually paying attention to it now.
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  It's a real thing as a Jackson dark got sent flying and the
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  Giants offense did the right thing.
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  They started to fight. You're going to hit my
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  quarterback like that. I'm going to fight you.
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  I, I, I saw that and I even saw the, the little post press
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  conference after. The thing is, is like, I think
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  it's right. Like I have no problem with his
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  teammates starting that little scuffle after the after.
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  Just. More of just like as a
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  sentiment. But The thing is Jackson Dart
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  went out there and said like, look, I mean, I've been getting
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  hit since I started playing this.
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  Like that is the sport. We're not playing soccer.
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  Like I expect to be hit whether I'm in the pocket or out of the
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  pocket. So it's one of those things
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  where, I mean, even after, I mean, he got hit hard, but he
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  got out like it's like, oh, that it must have just looked way
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  worse than it was because like you got up, you were fine.
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  And it was like, hey, I didn't step out of bounce.
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  Like it wasn't like I was not expecting to get hit.
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  I mean, yeah, I got hit not the way I wanted to, but I I did
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  appreciate him coming out and basically saying like, that's
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  that's the game. Like, I don't like, I appreciate
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  my boys stepping in for me, but I'm not going to get on them on,
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  you know, the the other team for that.
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  Young way KU. Kicks the turf in the field goal
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  attempt. But this is hold on, Hold on.
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  This is the holder's fault. This was not the kicker's fault.
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  Let's back up the kicker. This is the punter's fault.
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  Punter received the snap. Now there was a snap.
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  Perfect. No, he sets the ball, doesn't
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  get a firm set on it. The bottom slips out.
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  OK. And so, so Young way KU tries to
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  stop his leg, but he's hit a Dang driver.
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  He's his leg is like a Dang driver.
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  And he's mid swing. And so he's trying to hit this
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  thing as hard as you possibly can and the ball slips.
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  And so he assumes he's gonna get the Charlie Brown and Lucy
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  treatment. If that doesn't happen, the ball
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  stays down. He kicks it just straight into
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  the turf. It looks terribly embarrassing,
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  but really, it's a punter. It's the holder's fault.
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  Although young way cool. You got to stop your leg, buddy.
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  You got to save your foot because that if anybody just
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  played golf and you and you Duff it and you hit the the grass a
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  foot behind your ball and you know how that feels on your
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  wrist. I can't imagine how bad that
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  hurt his like his ankle. I cannot imagine.
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  What do you do in that position? I feel like it's like, I mean,
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  the reality of that of not kicking it is basically just
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  like a 15 yard loss. So like, wouldn't you just even
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  if the the snap and the placement was just fumble like
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  don't you, would you not still try to kick it?
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  I mean at at the very least you're kicking it out of bounds.
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  No. Well, that's not true.
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  At the very least, they're recovering the ball and running
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  it back for a touchdown. But I mean, I, I guess I mean
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  like, but I would say that's the exact same whether you kick it
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  or not. I mean, unless you've pre
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  planned, Hey, I'm not going to kick this if you if you wobble
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  it. So if.
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  It is the case. Dive on it.
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  Well, I mean, it's it's. Called a a fire play right the
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  the the punter and the holder. It's supposed to start yelling
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  fire, fire, fire. And then you're you're tired and
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  your wings are supposed to run routes and he's just supposed to
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  throw the ball. But I mean, I can see that if it
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  was like a grossly snapped ball or he completely just like got
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  it and it slipped out of his hands.
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  But when it's already placed and it kind of moves within the
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  fraction of a second, there is it.
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  Not the ball. The way that ball came down and
• 19:31
  then shifted like that, he should have picked it up at at
• 19:34
  minimum picked it up and just thrown it out of bounce or
• 19:38
  you're right, just falling on it.
• 19:39
  Just done anything besides what he did 'cause when the kicker
• 19:42
  hit turf, kick the turf and he gets up and loses 1520 yards
• 19:46
  trying to scramble around like he's some kind of athlete, NFL
• 19:49
  player. He is an athlete, but he's the
• 19:51
  puncher. I guess for me I would need.
• 19:54
  Maybe I just need more of an explanation 'cause I see it
• 19:57
  like, OK, if, if like that happens, it's there.
• 20:01
  I mean, I feel like if that kicker looked at it, looked at
• 20:03
  it again or like saw the play and was given the opportunity in
• 20:07
  a different reality, like you're going to be able to make that
• 20:10
  kick again. Everything else will stay the
• 20:12
  same. That ball that's going to go
• 20:13
  down there everything I that's still a super kickable ball.
• 20:17
  So I I just wonder. I I firmly disagree.
• 20:20
  Really. OK.
• 20:21
  Yeah, I mean, I, I, I thought it was hard to.
• 20:24
  Watch it again. But yeah, but I don't know.
• 20:28
  I, I mean, I, I is the is the worry like you'll kick it maybe
• 20:33
  too low? Someone, I don't know, catches
• 20:36
  it. Yeah.
• 20:36
  Exactly. It comes off your foot wrong
• 20:38
  because the placement's wrong. And so it gets blocked and they
• 20:41
  pick it up and score it because it's a touchdown.
• 20:44
  At that point. The, the snap, the hold and the
• 20:50
  kick are down to an exact science to where that snapper
• 20:54
  snaps the ball to an exact rotation.
• 20:57
  He holds it in a way to where he snaps it and he gets an exact
• 20:59
  like 2 1/2 rotations or whatever it is to where it hits the
• 21:03
  holders hands in the exact right spot and then he puts it down
• 21:06
  and the exact shouldn't have to spin.
• 21:09
  If if a, if a holder has to spin the ball, that's a bad snap.
• 21:14
  That that's, that's how precise this stuff is.
• 21:16
  It is in the NFL, high school, college, maybe not so much, but
• 21:20
  the NFL. That's how precise this is.
• 21:21
  If you're going to be an NFL long snapper, that's how good
• 21:25
  you have to be. And so it just wasn't that it
• 21:29
  looked really, really bad on TV, that's for sure.
• 21:32
  And then old Chesky, I think it was his name, Old Chesky gets
• 21:37
  knocked out on a kick return with no flag.
• 21:39
  I watched this play from about 3 different angles.
• 21:43
  No flag is the right play here. No flag is correct because it
• 21:48
  was mid tackle. Olszewski was getting tackled
• 21:51
  already and then Ellis is the guy's name who went home with
• 21:55
  helmet. Ellis got pushed in the back
• 21:58
  even slightly. Ellis got pushed in the back by
• 22:01
  a Giants player and that then changed his body trajectory as
• 22:06
  Olszewski was getting tackled and that's what caused the
• 22:09
  helmet to helmet. So because Giants players had
• 22:13
  outside force on the Patriots players that caused the helmet,
• 22:16
  the helmet, that's why there was no flag.
• 22:19
  If it was just Ellis coming in full on without being touched by
• 22:24
  a Giants player, yeah, absolutely.
• 22:25
  Even during a tackle. Even during tackle, if he if if
• 22:29
  Ellis was never touched, that flash hit and thrown.
• 22:32
  Yeah, I guess the problem I had with it was just how they
• 22:34
  explained it on TV, because what the guy said was just so you
• 22:37
  guys know, that's not a flag because he's a runner, so he can
• 22:41
  get hit in the head. And I was like.
• 22:42
  What that is not is the. Worst.
• 22:44
  Explanation. That's a bad explanation.
• 22:46
  He's not a defenseless player. Receivers catching the ball and
• 22:50
  quarterbacks at any point are are considered well,
• 22:53
  quarterbacks throwing the ball and receivers catching the ball
• 22:57
  are considered defenseless players.
• 22:59
  But somebody running with the football when a running back or
• 23:03
  receiver is running or if a quarterback is running, you are
• 23:06
  no longer considered defenseless.
• 23:08
  So you were able to protect yourself, which is where that
• 23:11
  the leeway comes in. That is a bad explanation and
• 23:14
  real reason was because there was outside contact by the
• 23:17
  Giants player. Giants player pushed Patriots
• 23:19
  player right into a helmet to helmet and that man was just out
• 23:23
  cold on the ground. Also fumble the ball and they
• 23:26
  lost it down. I mean, it was just not a good
• 23:28
  look overall. I don't know if the fumble stood
• 23:30
  or not. I actually, I skipped forward
• 23:32
  it. Yeah, I did good because it was
• 23:33
  a fumble. You get knocked out your leg on
• 23:35
  the ball. That sucks, but that's fumble.
• 23:40
  Real quick, this is not in the NFL, but this is in college.
• 23:44
  I want to ask if either of you guys saw that catch by the
• 23:47
  Oregon receiver, the helmet catch?
• 23:51
  I didn't get to watch much of that game.
• 23:54
  Welcome. So I had a question for that
• 23:55
  because it got ruled after review that it was incomplete.
• 23:59
  I'll go back. I'll go back and watch it this
• 24:01
  week and we'll talk about it next week.
• 24:04
  I didn't get to see the yeah. Because if you guys watch it and
• 24:07
  then look up maybe even some commentary to see or at least
• 24:10
  just that portion, it was like a solid 8 to 10 minute portion of
• 24:14
  the game where they're talking about it.
• 24:15
  But I got thoughts. OK.
• 24:18
  And then last thing here, this Patriots team on a bye week this
• 24:20
  week and you quote UN quote easiest remaining schedule to
• 24:23
  finish the season. They have the Bills at home
• 24:26
  after by then they're at Baltimore, who's been very bad
• 24:30
  recently. Then they're at Jets and then
• 24:33
  home against Miami. And so they have at least three
• 24:36
  wins there to finish the season out.
• 24:38
  They're probably finishes number one seed in the AFC and we all
• 24:41
  get to hate the Patriots again. I don't hate them, good for
• 24:45
  them. Also good for them.
• 24:48
  Would would like it to be noted that the only team to win a good
• 24:53
  jersey and lose this year has been the Philadelphia Eagles.
• 24:58
  They wore their Kelly greens. They wore their Kelly greens, I
• 25:01
  think it was against Dallas and then they lost that game.
• 25:04
  That's been the only case of a team wearing an alternate jersey
• 25:08
  that looks good that they didn't go on and lose.
• 25:12
  Patriots wore those Reds last night.
• 25:14
  Those Reds are so clean. I like them so much.
• 25:18
  Anyway, that was the week. This is the last week that we
• 25:22
  have by weeks in the NFL. And so next week will be a
• 25:26
  shorter, well, quote UN quote, shorter wrap up.
• 25:29
  And after that we're going over 16 games in the wrap up for for
• 25:32
  four straight weeks. I'm excited.
• 25:36
  All right, cool. Thanks, Will.
• 25:39
  All right, so this week what we're going to do is we're going
• 25:41
  to talk about the NFC playoff picture a little bit.
• 25:44
  So there are really 10 teams in the playoff picture right now
• 25:48
  that could possibly make the playoffs.
• 25:51
  So unless you guys had any specific team that you guys
• 25:54
  wanted to talk about, what I was planning on doing is I just
• 25:57
  wrote the names of the 10 teams and crumpled them up and put
• 26:00
  them in a hat and I'm just going to pull them out.
• 26:02
  And that's the team we're going to talk about first because I
• 26:04
  don't think we're going to get through 10 teams with the time
• 26:06
  that we have. So we'll kind of just do it that
• 26:08
  way unless and once we get down to kind of like the end, if you
• 26:11
  have any specific team that we haven't talked about yet that
• 26:14
  you want to talk about, just let me know and we can do that.
• 26:17
  So I'll get the the first one going here.
• 26:20
  So the first one is the Carolina Panthers.
• 26:26
  Avery, give me some thoughts on the Carolina Panthers.
• 26:29
  They're looking real good. I feel like they have only been
• 26:31
  getting better. I mean, they're still taking
• 26:33
  loss. I mean, they lost to the Saints,
• 26:35
  which is so. Questioned.
• 26:37
  That was like 2 weeks ago. When was that?
• 26:40
  Panthers are on a bye week as well this week.
• 26:42
  Or maybe it was like 4, maybe it was like 3-4.
• 26:45
  Because they played, they played the Rams, lost 49ers, beat the
• 26:49
  Falcons, yeah, lost the Saints 4 four games ago.
• 26:51
  But either way, either way, I mean, they've been looking good.
• 26:55
  I feel like it's just one of those things kind of like the
• 26:57
  Bears a little bit where it's like it's not necessarily anyone
• 27:01
  particular player or not the quarterback, but it's more of
• 27:05
  just like the team making plays. And it kind of reminds me a
• 27:09
  little bit of the Bucks in the first half of the season, just
• 27:12
  making plays where they need to, where it doesn't look like, I
• 27:15
  mean, just the sheer fact that they're winning is good.
• 27:17
  But I mean, they're right up there.
• 27:19
  They're at are they tied with the Bucks or they like?
• 27:23
  No, they they've played one more game, they've lost so.
• 27:28
  Yeah, that's right. But no, I think they're looking
• 27:30
  scary. I like their running back
• 27:32
  situation as well. So to finish the season, they
• 27:37
  were by this week and they've got the Saints at Saints home
• 27:42
  versus the Bucks home versus Seattle and then they're at the
• 27:45
  Bucks. Not an easy schedule come down
• 27:48
  the stretch. And even if they split those one
• 27:52
  and one, like, excuse me, two and two, they're 9:00 and 8:00
• 27:56
  and that just does not make the playoffs.
• 27:58
  And it's very possible that they go one and three in their last
• 28:01
  four weeks because they had a bye week.
• 28:04
  This Panthers team has been a good run.
• 28:06
  They've beat some good teams. I don't think they closed down.
• 28:10
  I don't think they make the playoffs.
• 28:11
  I don't I think I think we're a year early on the Panthers.
• 28:14
  We're one year too early. That's fair.
• 28:17
  I think the Panthers are the most inconsistent team in the
• 28:20
  NFL this year because if you look at their wins and losses,
• 28:23
  so this is this is our wins and losses from from Week 1 until
• 28:26
  now. So they started with two losses.
• 28:29
  Then they beat the Falcons 30 to 0.
• 28:31
  Then the next week they lose to the Patriots 42 to 13.
• 28:35
  Then they win three straight. Then they lose to the Bills.
• 28:39
  Granted, this was without Bryce Young, but they lose to the
• 28:41
  Bills. 40 to 9, crushed by the Bills, yeah.
• 28:43
  Crushed by the Bills, yeah. So then they beat the Packers.
• 28:46
  Then they lose to the Saints 17 to 7.
• 28:48
  They only score 7 points against the Saints.
• 28:51
  Then they beat Atlanta again. They lose to the 49ers.
• 28:54
  And then they somehow beat the Rams.
• 28:56
  That is so inconsistent. There is, there's no, there's
• 28:59
  not one bit of consistency there.
• 29:01
  Not one bit that they they have to be the most inconsistent team
• 29:05
  in the entire NFL this year. So you just never know what
• 29:08
  you're going to get with the Carolina Panthers.
• 29:10
  In their seven wins, they average 25.2 points per game.
• 29:15
  In their six losses, they average 11.6.
• 29:19
  That's a massive difference from a win to a loss.
• 29:22
  Massive difference. There's just no consistency.
• 29:25
  And I want to note one thing here with the Panthers, It
• 29:27
  doesn't have to do with their consistency, but I was looking
• 29:31
  at their player stats. Their receivers are massive.
• 29:37
  All of their receivers are huge. We're talking about that in the
• 29:40
  run. Game yeah, just listen to this
• 29:42
  Ted McMillan 65212 Xavier Leget 63227 Jalen Coker 63213 there's
• 29:49
  a guy that nobody's ever heard of Bryson Tremaine 64212 that
• 29:54
  doesn't include the tight ends at all, but that's just
• 29:57
  receivers and those are like their their top receivers those
• 30:02
  guys are massive. I like like.
• 30:06
  Solid built receiver. I always feel like they got a
• 30:09
  little bit more of an edge. It doesn't surprise me that they
• 30:12
  have the potential to go off like they did against the Rams
• 30:16
  because they just have receivers that are just freaking huge.
• 30:20
  But there's something there that I I don't know why they're not
• 30:24
  consistent. I don't know if it's Bryce
• 30:26
  Young, I don't know if it's something else.
• 30:29
  I just, I don't know. But they're very inconsistent to
• 30:31
  me. All right.
• 30:32
  You guys got anything else on the Carolina Panthers?
• 30:36
  Nope. I mean, besides when I said that
• 30:39
  I think we're one year too early, they did some good, but I
• 30:42
  I don't think they're able to close it out.
• 30:46
  All right, cool. Next one here.
• 30:48
  The Green Bay Packers will. Let's start with you on this
• 30:51
  one. Green Bay Packers, I mean,
• 30:55
  they're tied to Dallas Cowboys. So that tells you everything you
• 30:57
  need to know. Come down the stretch here, they
• 31:00
  play the Bears twice the the Bears twice and the Broncos and
• 31:06
  they're in Denver. That's where the Broncos play
• 31:10
  then they then they so it goes Bears or home versus the Bears
• 31:14
  at Denver at Bears home versus the Ravens at the Vikings.
• 31:20
  They currently are in the sixth seed because the Bears are in
• 31:25
  the in first place in the NFCI don't think the Bears hold on to
• 31:28
  the first place in the NFC North.
• 31:31
  I don't like I, I mean, I don't like the bears.
• 31:36
  I, I just, I don't need to be shy about that.
• 31:38
  Now we know, but the Packers have the Packers can stop the
• 31:42
  run, right? The Packers have the Packers
• 31:45
  have AI think a good run defense.
• 31:47
  I don't know statistically what numbers the numbers say, But if,
• 31:51
  if you can stop the run against the bears, which is not going to
• 31:53
  be an easy task, you are going to beat the bears because Ben
• 31:57
  Johnson needs and you saw it with the the lions last year.
• 32:00
  Ben Johnson needs the run game and he needs to open it up with
• 32:03
  the play action pass and so if you can just get in front of
• 32:08
  that and stop the run or slow down the run, it's going to shut
• 32:12
  kill the Williams down and I I just don't expect to happen.
• 32:14
  The Packers are are a well coached team.
• 32:16
  The Packers defensive coordinators actively talked
• 32:19
  about for a coaching positions that may open up at the end of
• 32:23
  this year. And so he's a highly sighted
• 32:25
  after coordinator. I like the Packers chances to
• 32:29
  win the AFC North probably move up to the three seed.
• 32:33
  I don't think they'll take the two seed.
• 32:36
  Well, maybe a two seed. I don't know what that was that
• 32:38
  tie in there that really screws with things that pass the game.
• 32:43
  They might get the that they might get the two seed with hat
• 32:46
  with that that half a win. Heck, they couldn't even take
• 32:48
  the one seed. They could.
• 32:50
  I don't think they're going to win out, but they who went out
• 32:54
  and I didn't get the one seed, which seems like a tall task.
• 32:57
  But the Packers have been a well, well put.
• 33:00
  The other team that I mean, consistently has just been good.
• 33:05
  And against the hard teams like the Eagles, they it was a 7 to
• 33:08
  10 game against the Cowboys. They tied against the Browns,
• 33:12
  they lost and the Panthers, they lost the Browns and the Panthers
• 33:16
  in the same year. That's embarrassing.
• 33:19
  But I've heard some Packers people talk and they're playing
• 33:22
  up and down to the competition so that when they play a rough
• 33:25
  team, they're playing up to him, which is why it was a 10/7 game
• 33:28
  against against the Eagles. And when they play the Browns or
• 33:32
  playing down to the Browns, they beat the Lions the first game of
• 33:34
  the season because they're playing up to what they expected
• 33:36
  the Lions to be in. The Lions just haven't been that
• 33:38
  this year. So you've been in some close
• 33:41
  games that did not need to be close.
• 33:42
  But even on Thanksgiving in Detroit, they they beat the
• 33:47
  Lions again and it was a pretty convincing win.
• 33:49
  I think Michael Parsons is third in the NFL with 12 1/2 sacks,
• 33:53
  maybe 14 NFL with 12 1/2 sacks. But he's just a difference
• 33:56
  maker. And I I don't know who all the
• 33:59
  Bears have played this year, but they have yet to play the
• 34:01
  Packers. And so they they have not seen
• 34:05
  this real quick. They haven't seen, I mean, I
• 34:11
  guess the Lions first game is first, second game of the
• 34:15
  season, right? Yeah, second game of the season
• 34:17
  they played the Lions and got beat 52 to 21.
• 34:19
  But besides that, they haven't played a good rush defense or a
• 34:23
  pass defense, excuse me, since then.
• 34:25
  And so it'll be interesting to see how they stand up against
• 34:29
  another good patch rush. So I excuse me, I'm I switched
• 34:33
  to the bears, but the the Packers have a good pass switch.
• 34:36
  Wondering what I I full on switch to the bears?
• 34:39
  That's what I'm just going to let you keep going and see if
• 34:41
  you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I, I, I, I
• 34:43
  full on, I just swap sides here. Full on, swap sides.
• 34:47
  But the Packers have a good pass defense and the Bears haven't
• 34:49
  played a good pass rush since week one, Week 2.
• 34:54
  So it'll be good to see them get in there and have a chance to
• 34:57
  take the AFC North back and then continue it on because the
• 35:02
  standings are as such. So, Avery, you can talk.
• 35:07
  I've been talking for a long time.
• 35:09
  I think the Packers are either going to win out or just lose 1
• 35:13
  game moving forward. I also think the Lions are going
• 35:17
  to beat the Bears too, kicking the Bears out, I think, I think
• 35:22
  the Bears run is over. They have not played the Packers
• 35:25
  yet and they have to play them, what, twice in three weeks?
• 35:29
  Yeah, I, I, I think the Packers, because the Packers to me are a
• 35:33
  little bit like the Panthers, but a little bit higher up.
• 35:37
  I think they're a little inconsistent too, Like they
• 35:39
  don't really know who they are or they haven't known, but I
• 35:43
  feel like they're going to kick it into high gear now.
• 35:45
  I think the Broncos have been landing up on heads too many
• 35:50
  times and they're due for a tails.
• 35:52
  I think they beat the Bears. They definitely beat the Ravens
• 35:55
  and the Vikings. I like the chances for the
• 35:58
  Packers to make it into the playoffs and to beat the Bears.
• 36:02
  The Bears. If they were to win out, it'll
• 36:06
  be 8 straight wins going into the playoffs.
• 36:10
  Yo. And then they're due for a loss
• 36:13
  and they lose to the Cowboys in the first round.
• 36:16
  That's the prediction. Making Cowboys fans everywhere
• 36:19
  scream for joy. And then they get blown out by
• 36:24
  the next team. I don't even know who like 42 to
• 36:27
  6. That sounds about right, no, But
• 36:31
  that Packers and Bears game is going to be interesting because
• 36:33
  the Packers, they have the least amount of giveaways this season
• 36:37
  and the Bears defense has the most takeaways this season.
• 36:42
  So that's going to be interesting to see how that
• 36:44
  plays out, especially because they play twice in three weeks,
• 36:48
  so it's going to be a couple good games.
• 36:50
  If it's like top versus like whatever, top takeaways versus
• 36:55
  top protection. I like top protection all the
• 36:58
  time, every time. I feel like takeaways are too.
• 37:03
  I want to say lucky. Like it's not like, oh, this guy
• 37:06
  came in and he was told to take it away and he took it away.
• 37:09
  It's like, no, it's like an opportune moment.
• 37:11
  Just like you're able to punch it out.
• 37:12
  You're able to hit someone in at a weird moment in time where
• 37:15
  they didn't really have a good grip or whatever it is.
• 37:18
  I just feel like teams that take care of the ball more than take
• 37:23
  it away from other teams are more consistent.
• 37:25
  I feel like if those two teams line up, they just won't get as
• 37:28
  many takeaways and maybe one, but I feel like they will
• 37:32
  continue to protect it because that is what they do.
• 37:34
  Like, they just don't let that happen.
• 37:36
  Where is the defense? It's like, yeah.
• 37:37
  Yeah. It's kind of the same with
• 37:39
  picks. Sometimes.
• 37:40
  I used to be more enamored with them, but now I'm like, I mean,
• 37:43
  you know how to catch and you were in the right spot, which is
• 37:46
  good. And sometimes you're not in the
• 37:48
  right spot. Sometimes it just happens just
• 37:50
  like the quarterback gets hit and they get the ball and I'm
• 37:52
  like, I mean, you don't plan for that.
• 37:56
  In fact, you wouldn't even try to go for that.
• 37:58
  You're like, oh, I could get a sack.
• 38:00
  No, give it another beat to try to hit him while he's throwing
• 38:03
  it. I'm like, OK, but if I'm off by
• 38:05
  a fraction of a second, he completes the pass.
• 38:07
  It's like, yeah, but that's that's the that's the fumble
• 38:10
  zone. It's like, no, I'm going to go
• 38:11
  for the sack. So but anyway, I think I think
• 38:16
  the Packers protection beats out the Bears theft ability.
• 38:22
  So the the Packers are three, you know, inside a division and
• 38:26
  they have that tie. And so if they get one more,
• 38:31
  because the the Bears are one and two and the Lions are one
• 38:34
  and three, so they get one more division win, especially this
• 38:37
  week over the Bears. They will have the most wins in
• 38:40
  that division mathematically that they the Bears can't catch
• 38:44
  up. And that may also come into key
• 38:47
  importance down the stretch here.
• 38:49
  For sure. That that tie and then the
• 38:51
  division win lead over over the other three.
• 38:56
  Well, 2 lines there. Vikings don't really count this
• 38:59
  year. So I, I think that's all our key
• 39:01
  stuff. Additionally, I know we weren't
• 39:04
  talking about the Bears, but the Bears have a net point of 6/6
• 39:08
  net points in a year and so they are not good anyway.
• 39:16
  OK. I didn't I didn't draw the Bears
• 39:19
  next. I actually had the Detroit Lions
• 39:20
  next. But since we're since we're
• 39:22
  talking about the Bears, since. We're shredding.
• 39:24
  Since I'm shredding the bears, let's talk.
• 39:26
  About the bears, Let's talk about the bears and then we'll
• 39:28
  talk about the lions after the bears.
• 39:30
  Listen, I can't. Let's just get the whole NFC
• 39:32
  North or yeah, I have been off the Bears for what we can win.
• 39:40
  This is week 14 that we're in right now.
• 39:43
  So for 13 straight weeks I thought the Bears were in a lose
• 39:45
  football football game. Lose football.
• 39:48
  Game. That's not true.
• 39:50
  They played the Raiders and the Saints.
• 39:51
  I had them beating both of those teams.
• 39:54
  You can go back to when we had bear them live on and I'm just
• 39:57
  I'm smack talking them the entire time.
• 40:00
  Like there's no way the Bears win.
• 40:01
  You're outrageous. You think the Bears are going to
• 40:03
  hit seven wins this year and now here we said the Bears are nine
• 40:06
  and three, but they're not doing it with Kayla Williams.
• 40:08
  I don't know what his stats are this year.
• 40:10
  I can look well. OK, before you look him up, I
• 40:13
  have something I want to say about the Bears because it
• 40:15
  involves Kayla Williams stats. Go on.
• 40:18
  OK, so I think I texted you guys this actually.
• 40:21
  I was like, how do the Bears keep winning when Caleb Williams
• 40:24
  can't complete 50% of his passes?
• 40:27
  And I was looking into it at Caleb Williams has completed
• 40:30
  58.1% of his passes this year. So when I was looking into it, I
• 40:34
  was like, I just don't understand the Bears.
• 40:36
  I don't understand them. How do they keep winning when
• 40:39
  Caleb Williams has been this bad statistically?
• 40:41
  And I know a lot of people are going to say well the the
• 40:43
  receivers dropped the pass or whatever it is, doesn't matter.
• 40:47
  It's still his statistic. He's completed 58.1% of his
• 40:50
  passes. Which is bad?
• 40:51
  It is. It is just regardless of.
• 40:54
  Who dropped the pass or if it was his fault or whatever it is,
• 40:57
  That is not a good quarterback statistic, completing less than
• 41:00
  60% of your passes. So I was like, I don't
• 41:02
  understand the Bears and how they're winning because there's
• 41:05
  that stat. Caleb Williams has had four
• 41:07
  games this year where he's completed 60% of his passes or
• 41:11
  more. Only four, only four.
• 41:15
  And somehow they're nine and three.
• 41:17
  None of their receivers are on pace to get 1000 yards.
• 41:19
  Their defense is 25th in points per game allowed, and they're
• 41:22
  25th in sacks. So I was looking into this,
• 41:25
  trying to figure out how the Bears are nine and three.
• 41:28
  This is how the Bears are 9 and 3.
• 41:30
  They're second rushing yards per game.
• 41:32
  They have two running backs who are on pace to run for over 800
• 41:35
  yards. They are one of six teams that
• 41:38
  has less than 10 turnovers all season long.
• 41:40
  They lead the league in takeaways and their turnover
• 41:43
  differential is the best in the league by a large margin.
• 41:47
  They have only allowed 19 sacks this year.
• 41:50
  So how the Bears are 9 and 3 is the things that they suck at.
• 41:54
  They make up for by being really, really good at these
• 41:57
  other things. That's how they're nine and
• 41:59
  three. So even though Caleb Williams is
• 42:01
  statistically not good, they make up for it by doing
• 42:04
  something else really, really well.
• 42:06
  Even though they're not good at this, they're really good at
• 42:08
  this, and it's making up for the things that they suck at.
• 42:11
  That's how the Bears are nine and three.
• 42:13
  That makes sense. Sorry, I'm doing math and it
• 42:16
  hurts. Caleb Williams is on pace to
• 42:21
  throw for less than 4000 yards this year, so there's that. 1999
• 42:26
  he's not. Actually, no it's not.
• 42:27
  It's 3857 and that's rounding up on his athletes so you can suck
• 42:34
  it better. Friends have never had a 4000
• 42:36
  yard passer, right? That's the number.
• 42:38
  That's the number. And as mentioned, they play
• 42:42
  that. They don't play easy defenses at
• 42:45
  all. They play the Packers twice.
• 42:47
  They go at Packers home versus the Browns, which ask anybody
• 42:52
  about Miles Garrett. That dude is said to have like
• 42:55
  27 or 2527 sacks, something like that.
• 42:58
  This year just completely demolished the record.
• 43:01
  Yeah, he's got 19 1/2 of five games left.
• 43:06
  Dudes insane. And and they still play the
• 43:08
  Titans this year. So you go ahead and track up
• 43:11
  three or four more right there. The Bears played at Packers home
• 43:14
  versus the Bear or Browns home versus the Packers at the 49ers,
• 43:19
  which has turned out to be a tougher defense than it was in
• 43:21
  the middle of season. Started tough, got easy and I
• 43:24
  figured out it's tough again and a home versus alliance and that
• 43:27
  home versus alliance January 4th for that may be winner gets the
• 43:33
  an AFC or an NFC playoff spot loser doesn't.
• 43:37
  If you don't think that means that it's the Lions, who were
• 43:39
  the number one seed last year, going to be fighting for the
• 43:41
  number seven seed, that's significant.
• 43:44
  That is significant. That's not going to be an easy
• 43:46
  game. So thinking that Caleb Wayne is
• 43:48
  going to stay on pace here with 226 yards a game, when as the
• 43:53
  year winds down, these teams start to run the football more,
• 43:57
  the weather gets colder, it gets Rainier, it gets crappier, They
• 44:00
  just start hanging the ball off more.
• 44:02
  The Bears are built to run the football.
• 44:05
  I mean, as you mentioned, Kayla Williams also have been sacked
• 44:07
  19 times this year. Now I know that's not running
• 44:10
  the football, but last year he was sacked 68 times and this
• 44:14
  year he's been sacked 19. That that was a full 17 games.
• 44:17
  We have five more games to go. You can do the math.
• 44:20
  It's I mean, he's getting sacked less than 5% of the time,
• 44:24
  whereas last year it was over 10% of the time.
• 44:26
  So overall, the Bears have improved significantly, but
• 44:31
  they're about to play tough divisional football down here in
• 44:35
  December. They were undefeated, undefeated
• 44:37
  in November. And I don't think there are
• 44:39
  wrestling or laurels type of team.
• 44:41
  But we haven't seen the Caleb Williams and this Bears team
• 44:45
  have success like this before. And it's hard to keep winning.
• 44:48
  It's hard to keep your success going.
• 44:50
  So I, I don't, I, I don't like their chances, but I didn't
• 44:54
  think there would be 9 and three either.
• 44:56
  So I'm pretty much throw my opinion right in the garbage.
• 45:00
  Avery, what do you think the. Bears are going to lose, Packers
• 45:03
  are going to win. It's not a lot else contribute.
• 45:10
  I think I purposely tried to like, find good things about the
• 45:13
  Bears just because I know you guys are just going to just say
• 45:15
  awful things. That's good.
• 45:17
  That's good to find that balance, yeah.
• 45:19
  I did say some positive things about it.
• 45:21
  They they improved this year as a team.
• 45:24
  Candy Williams has been sacked less than half the amount, so
• 45:30
  much less. 68 times finished last season and it's not that
• 45:35
  this year it's it's not even 20 times so far that is better.
• 45:42
  Probably the nicest thing you've ever said about the Bears.
• 45:45
  Yeah, but I mean, I mean, you're 8th in points, you're 6th in
• 45:50
  yards. Oh, and it you're 20, but
• 45:55
  overall, you're, you're a top team statistically.
• 45:58
  You just, you just don't know what you're doing it.
• 46:01
  And this is where football really matters.
• 46:03
  I mentioned last week Bill Belichick said football starts
• 46:05
  after Thanksgiving, and now here we are.
• 46:10
  All right, cool. So we've got about 10:00-ish
• 46:13
  minutes left before I have to go, but so we're going to talk
• 46:16
  about the Lions and then I do want to talk about one of the
• 46:19
  team, the Philadelphia Eagles, because I got some things to say
• 46:21
  about the Eagles. So to start with the Lions, I
• 46:24
  got a question for you guys. What do you guys think of Dan
• 46:27
  Campbell's coaching? Style.
• 46:29
  I thought he went for it on 4th more times than he actually has.
• 46:33
  Like people say that and then I look at it and I'm like, they
• 46:36
  didn't go for it that often. Like not marginally more than
• 46:41
  any other coach. Is that what he's supposed to be
• 46:45
  known for? Just like aggressive offensive
• 46:48
  play calling. Yeah, it's just like just like a
• 46:51
  lot of people, and Will said this before, like if you get, if
• 46:55
  you make it, you're the best coach ever.
• 46:56
  If you don't make it, you're the worst coach ever.
• 46:58
  But that's what that's what people are complaining about
• 47:01
  right now is like he's he's aggressive, but he's too
• 47:03
  aggressive because they're going for it on these fourth downs.
• 47:07
  And if they don't make it, then you look at it and be like,
• 47:09
  what? We could have three points,
• 47:10
  right? We could have points.
• 47:11
  We could have made the game closer than it was.
• 47:14
  So that's kind of what people are talking about.
• 47:16
  But you know, Will said it again.
• 47:17
  Will said it before, multiple times.
• 47:19
  If you don't make it, you look like the worst coach.
• 47:21
  If you do make it, you look awesome.
• 47:25
  I personally am a fan of going for it on 4th down almost every
• 47:32
  time. Every time I see a like an
• 47:34
  overtime game in college or in the NFLNFL, particularly where
• 47:39
  they have, where they go for two to like win it or lose it rather
• 47:43
  than just tie it, I hate, I hate tying it.
• 47:46
  I don't ever want to see that. That to me looks like a coach
• 47:49
  who cares more about keeping his job than winning.
• 47:53
  And I hate that. I hate it.
• 47:54
  I'm like, I thought we were here to win.
• 47:56
  Why are we kicking the ball? Do you have so little faith in
• 48:01
  your offense that you've coached that you don't think you could
• 48:04
  get the ball 5 yards to win the game?
• 48:08
  Like it comes down to that and you would rather tie, You'd
• 48:11
  rather get a tie at best, you tie, at worst.
• 48:15
  Do you miss the kick or they get it back in score?
• 48:19
  I I hate it. So anytime it's 4th down, I'm
• 48:21
  like, wait, so we have the ball and we would rather use this
• 48:27
  play. We have to give the other team
• 48:29
  the ball, but we could keep trying to go.
• 48:33
  I I mean, if your team is just crap and you just can't get a
• 48:36
  first down to save your life regardless of 4th down or not,
• 48:40
  maybe not then. But if you're a contender, if
• 48:43
  you're an actual like, I mean, you are increasing your chances
• 48:47
  by what, 33% by going forward on 4th down and you have three
• 48:52
  tries, you go for another one. I just, I mean, maybe it's from
• 48:55
  watching a lot of Oregon football, but yeah, I, I feel
• 48:59
  like you should go for it, especially if you've got some
• 49:01
  momentum. I mean, if you've just been like
• 49:03
  hit with penalties, like, all right, OK, yeah, just kick it.
• 49:06
  Clearly you guys need to reset here.
• 49:09
  But for the most part, I'm like, no, go for it.
• 49:11
  Always go for it. Because also as a fan, if I see
• 49:14
  the other team that the the team that I don't like is going for
• 49:18
  on 4th, I hate it. I hate it.
• 49:20
  I mean, you could you could get it like, Oh, yeah, we got it
• 49:23
  most of the time. I mean, I'll see like them throw
• 49:25
  it deep and then and then the defense picks it and I'm like,
• 49:28
  OK, dumbass, sorry, dad, drop the ball.
• 49:34
  Drop the ball and regain the 25 yards you just lost because you
• 49:38
  wanted to pick. That's an aside.
• 49:40
  That's totally aside. I've seen that too many time
• 49:42
  zone. I hate it.
• 49:43
  But yeah, they should go for it on 4th.
• 49:45
  I like Dan doing that. It's not working out right now,
• 49:47
  but I would trust him to keep doing it.
• 49:49
  And I would like, I like that he does it.
• 49:53
  Yeah, and here's the thing. Here's the thing.
• 49:56
  Yeah, here's the thing that people who are complaining about
• 49:59
  Dan Campbell going for it on 4th down all the time, they have to
• 50:01
  remember that's the same aggressive coaching style that
• 50:04
  got the lines to 15 and two last year.
• 50:07
  I know they have a different offensive coordinator, but it's
• 50:10
  the same aggressive coaching style that got them to 15 and
• 50:13
  two. It's just for, for whatever
• 50:15
  reason this year it hasn't worked out as much as it did
• 50:18
  last year, but it's the same aggressive coaching style.
• 50:22
  Yeah, it's the same thing with that playing not to lose, that
• 50:26
  playing not to lose crap like when you're up by like 10
• 50:30
  points. And there's like.
• 50:32
  Three, I mean, there's that. I wouldn't even call it playing
• 50:35
  not to lose. I just call that in total
• 50:37
  implosion. But like if you're up 10 points
• 50:40
  and there's 10 minutes left and all you're doing is just running
• 50:44
  it up the middle trying to like end the game, I'm like, you're
• 50:48
  probably going to lose is like you're not willing.
• 50:51
  You're you're, you're not even really trying to get the first
• 50:54
  down. You're like, we just want to
• 50:55
  keep it in bounds and on the ground, keep the clock moving.
• 50:58
  It's like, why don't you try to keep moving the ball down the
• 51:02
  field? If you really want to burn some
• 51:04
  clock, keep driving down the field.
• 51:07
  Also, like I that's I see it and and I hate it because it feels
• 51:10
  like this kind of like I've got I've got this treasure and now
• 51:14
  I'm super paranoid. I I know I was super adventurous
• 51:16
  to get to this lead, but now that I've got it, I'm going to
• 51:19
  be a little bitch. Sorry, dad again, but I'm going
• 51:21
  to hold it and I'm not going to risk it to get in the biscuit.
• 51:25
  And then of course, like any, any, any game, it's like 2
• 51:29
  minutes to halftime, it's 00. The score ends up ending like
• 51:33
  I'll, I'll usually see a score like 7 to 3 within the last two
• 51:36
  minutes. It's like, oh, so you do know
• 51:39
  how to score? You do know how to drive the
• 51:41
  ball up the field. Where was this?
• 51:43
  Oh, well, we're running out of time.
• 51:45
  You had all the time in the world.
• 51:47
  You scored this touchdown in like a minute, 30.
• 51:51
  And then they scored a, a, a freaking nut NFL record kick in
• 51:55
  15 seconds. Where was this?
• 52:00
  So you're now aggressive. I hate it.
• 52:04
  I hate it. I want to see more of Dan
• 52:06
  Campbell. It's not working out recently.
• 52:08
  I still want to see more of it. I I like that.
• 52:11
  I want to see teams that actually want to win.
• 52:13
  And I'm just like, whoa, we just, we're just trying to keep
• 52:16
  the board, trying to play conservative, trying to keep
• 52:17
  the, you know, we, we, we, we just now that we have the lead
• 52:20
  and the game, it's in the fourth quarter, the coach just believes
• 52:23
  that every single player has has baby oil on their gloves.
• 52:26
  And it's like, if we do anything, they're going to drop
• 52:28
  the ball and turn it over. That was a dirty reference.
• 52:32
  It didn't tie into this, but it's it's.
• 52:35
  You get the point. I will give you some quick
• 52:37
  thoughts. Quick thoughts.
• 52:39
  Let's keep going here with that. The key, the key difference
• 52:41
  there is is the coordinator, right?
• 52:43
  You don't have Ben Johnson anymore.
• 52:45
  And Ben Johnson was the guy that seemingly steamed up the
• 52:48
  offense. And so Dan came on to take play
• 52:50
  calling back over because their offensive coordinator just
• 52:52
  wasn't doing it. Chances are incredibly high that
• 52:55
  offensive coordinator is not there next year.
• 52:57
  I don't need to make a change during this season.
• 53:00
  They went two and three in November and they played a, as I
• 53:03
  mentioned the wrap up, they played the Packers, they played
• 53:06
  the Cowboys this Thursday. Luckily for them, it's Thursday
• 53:09
  to Thursday, not a short week and a full week.
• 53:11
  And they put the Rams after that.
• 53:13
  And so it's a tough three-game stretch.
• 53:14
  They're they're sitting at the seventh seed right in the
• 53:17
  precipice of or excuse me, seeing the eighth seed right in
• 53:19
  the precipice of of in it or not or currently they're not.
• 53:23
  They need to keep winning. They just haven't looked good
• 53:25
  doing it. And with Alan Ross St.
• 53:27
  Brown injured, at least for this, I do believe he's out.
• 53:31
  San LaPorte is still out. And that defense has not been
• 53:34
  able to stretch anything together.
• 53:35
  They've they've left more open holes in Swiss cheese.
• 53:37
  Dallas has been putting it against the run recently.
• 53:40
  And if they can, if they can stop Jamir Gibbs, then you stop
• 53:43
  the Lions. That's just all there is to it.
• 53:45
  So I don't like the Lions chances coming down the stretch
• 53:49
  here, sorry. All right, so we'll wrap it up
• 53:52
  with the Eagles and I would like to start on this one because I
• 53:55
  got something I got to ask the Eagles fans for any Eagles fan
• 53:58
  that is listening to this, I got to ask Eagles fans, do you guys
• 54:02
  actually still think that you're going back to the Super Bowl
• 54:05
  this year? Because you guys have harassed
• 54:07
  me for months now on social media because I said that the
• 54:10
  Eagles are not going back to the Super Bowl this year.
• 54:12
  And all Eagles fans have told me there, there's not even a
• 54:16
  possibility that any other team is even going back to the Super
• 54:19
  Bowl. They're so confident that the
• 54:21
  Eagles are going back to the Super Bowl this year that
• 54:23
  they're not only they're saying they're not only going back to
• 54:26
  the Super Bowl this year, but next year too.
• 54:29
  How on earth do you guys think that this Philadelphia Eagles
• 54:32
  team is special? This Philadelphia Eagles team is
• 54:35
  not special. You can tell.
• 54:37
  Look at last year's Eagles team. That team was special.
• 54:39
  You could tell that that team was special.
• 54:42
  Nothing is special about this Eagles team.
• 54:44
  The Philadelphia Eagles are not going back to the Super Bowl.
• 54:47
  And I just want to know, do you guys still honestly believe
• 54:50
  that? Because I just don't know how
• 54:53
  you can. That's all I got to say.
• 54:56
  Fortunately for the Eagles, they have a pretty favorable
• 54:58
  schedule. They play the Chargers at
• 55:01
  Chargers home against the Raiders at commanders at Bill's
• 55:06
  home against the commanders. So they play a pretty favorable
• 55:09
  schedule coming out of stretch here.
• 55:11
  But with all of the infighting that seems to be happening
• 55:14
  inside the eagles locker room and if we if news is getting out
• 55:18
  that the team is fighting with itself, that made this happening
• 55:21
  even worse inside the locker room.
• 55:24
  And so I, I just doesn't, doesn't bode well.
• 55:29
  They can't consistently put off and say like they could last
• 55:32
  year. It's either they run or they
• 55:33
  pass it not unlike last year where they really just ran, but
• 55:38
  they used passing as a good secondary.
• 55:40
  They don't eat. It's either we run or we pass.
• 55:44
  This year it's not at both, which is why you have A.J.
• 55:47
  Brown sitting in an interview saying if you got me on fantasy,
• 55:50
  might as well drop me. And always done since then he
• 55:52
  scored what, 3 touchdowns and get like 300 receiving yards?
• 55:56
  So whatever. I mean, I'm happy.
• 55:58
  But I picked him up and went, oh, if you're saying this, that
• 56:00
  means they're going to feed you the ball.
• 56:02
  If you're openly bitching like this, sorry Dwayne, then you're
• 56:05
  going to get fed the ball. So I picked him up and he's done
• 56:08
  great for me. But still, teams that are
• 56:11
  fighting this much publicly are doing it way worse inside the
• 56:16
  locker room. I think that's also right.
• 56:17
  The Ravens are having the same collapse because Lamar came out
• 56:20
  and said, hey, we took the ping pong tables and TV's.
• 56:23
  We took all that away. And it's just a we, it's just us
• 56:26
  in his locker room now. And I think that that has run
• 56:30
  its course that oh, we're winning now, let's get that
• 56:32
  stuff back. It didn't work so.
• 56:37
  Right, Avery, give me like 30 seconds.
• 56:38
  Thoughts on me? As much as I dislike 49ers fans,
• 56:43
  I dislike Eagles fans so much more.
• 56:46
  The worst 49ers fans are just annoying.
• 56:48
  But I feel like Philadelphia fans are, like, borderline,
• 56:51
  like, criminal most of the time. Like, if I were to go to a game,
• 56:56
  I'm not even ashamed to say like, no, I'd be scared.
• 56:58
  I'd be scared for my life that someone over here is
• 57:01
  psychopathic enough. Yeah, I know.
• 57:04
  Yeah. And that's probably not even
• 57:06
  enough. That's probably like the bare
• 57:07
  minimum they have to do to like, legally continue operating as a
• 57:11
  team. That's it.
• 57:14
  All right, cool, So sorry I I have to I we we have a lot more
• 57:19
  we could have talked about, but I got a hop off here.
• 57:21
  So next week, week 15 is the start of fantasy football
• 57:25
  playoffs. And so next week, going into
• 57:28
  week 15, we are going to have a guest on who is going to help us
• 57:32
  talk about fantasy football. It's Fantasy Buff 14 on
• 57:35
  Instagram. Go look him up.
• 57:37
  He's got some good fantasy football content.
• 57:39
  We're going to have him on here and he's going to help us talk
• 57:41
  about some fantasy football and help you guys out with your
• 57:44
  fantasy lineups going into the fantasy football playoffs.
• 57:48
  So stay tuned for that guys. We'll be back next week.
• 57:51
  And as always, don't forget to keep your balls played with.
• 57:54
  We'll see you next time. Hang out you.
• 57:56
  Know Also Mark Davis's haircut still sucks.