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Daniel Smithwick: Can Decline Of Biblical Worldview Be Slowed? · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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  Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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  defending biblical Christianity.
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  No topic off limits.
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  And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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  Hey, friends, family and Christ, thank you so much for tuning in.
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  We're talking about World View in this podcast with Nehemiah Institute's Daniel Smith-Wick
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  and he's the author of Pillars and other books, and I just want to quote him before we bring
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  him on, the future of our nation hangs in the balance, the Christian world view that
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  shaped the birth of our nation and guided her for many decades as now being replaced
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  with radical anti-Christian world views.
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  Unless a new generation rises up and reclaims the Christian heritage of our land, the next
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  several generations, your children and grandchildren, are likely to suffer severe consequences from
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  the sins of their fathers on a national level.
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  That's from the book Pillars, and the website I'm going to give you right now, nehemiahinstitute.com,
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  and the other website is worldviewcheckup.org.
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  And I want to bring in Daniel Smith-Wick and he's an author of these books also.
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  He founded the Nehemiah Institute in 1986.
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  It's a private foundation dedicated to the development of the biblical world view assessment
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  and curriculum materials for use in Christian schools and churches, and it's so necessary
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  today.
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  That's why we're having him on.
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  Dan, good to see you, brother.
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  Good morning, Kusar, and thank you for having me on, David, I very much appreciate the
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  session.
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  I should say good afternoon.
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  I'm sorry.
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  Thanks for your time today, and we've got your on your website, people can go to worldviewcheckup.org.
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  And there is a store there where friends you can look up some of the books, including
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  Pillars, which is the first one there.
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  We're going to be talking a lot about Pillars, because that's the one I have in my hand here.
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  There's a lot of quotes in there.
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  We'll see what we can get to today.
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  Also, some fascinating books and quotes from men of God through the centuries.
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  But Daniel, let's just start with going back to the 1980s.
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  You were ahead of the curve, I think, because the biblical world view was declining.
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  We might want to go back to the sexual revolution of the 60s and maybe the 70s, but you got this
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  going and just tell a little bit about what the progression of the Nehemiah Institute
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  please.
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  Thank you very much.
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  My start on this was in watching and reading Shaefer, Francis Shaefer.
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  He's really the first person that started talking in the terms of worldview.
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  And in his earlier books about that, he used the word separately, world and view.
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  And then later, it became worldview, which has come, it's a derivative of a German word.
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  But basically, worldview means our basic outlook on life.
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  How do we think life's supposed to work?
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  And I was doing some work with Pat Robertson and somewhere along the line, I just was concerned
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  about, how do we know if our ideas are really the right ideas, are the things that we're
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  trying to do to help churches be better at being insulting life, are our ideas vividly
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  based or not?
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  And that led to my development of what today is called the Peer's Test, which is what
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  we're talking about here mostly.
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  It's a worldview assessment that's used mostly in Christian schools, but also in churches
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  homeschooling.
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  And it tells an alarming story, and that's what the following slides of the show is we
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  go through this.
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  So it's a threefold purpose of the pillar's course, and I'm reading right from the introduction
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  of the book to impart the essential elements of a truly biblical worldview.
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  Number two, to equip believers, to be effective, salt and light in a world that is presently
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  in darkness.
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  Man, do we need that?
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  And number three, to prepare believers to rise up as a leader and a person of influence
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  in their sphere of influence.
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  Now let's go down to Peers and just share, let's start right there and I'll let you get
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  into some of the slides you wanted to share, Daniel, P-E-E-R-S, politics, economics, education,
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  religion, and social issues.
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  So just, you know, briefly if you want to comment on them one at a time, go ahead.
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  Okay, let's bring up the first slide then and we'll walk through what Peers is all about.
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  This is what we're known for around the country and actually in a few other countries is
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  the Peers test.
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  It's the worldview assessment that is designed for high school and higher-add-ten adults
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  to help us see what is our basic worldview.
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  Is it really Christian or not?
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  And we'll describe this.
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  So the Peers test, I say that I have been observing the shift in America with this Peers
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  instrument because we see the data and we see the results going the wrong direction with
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  this.
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  We define worldview as an assessment program Peers designed to assess how one views God
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  man in the world.
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  That's the fundamental thing that we need to be sure that we're on track with.
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  So here is the Peers acronym, as you were just saying, Peers, politics, economics, education,
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  religion, and social issues.
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  And the thing to be really cognizant of here is every people group on planet Earth
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  has to do these five somehow.
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  And if those fears are not being operated with biblical principles, it will be by some
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  other principles that are not God-honoring.
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  And so the Peers test designed to show are we thinking vividly in these five major
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  spheres of life?
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  Here's some sample questions.
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  Government should rest as directly as possible on the will of the people.
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  We say no.
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  So in a democratic society, children have a right to an education and this right must
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  be protected and enforced by governments.
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  And again, we say no.
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  Civil governments at both the state and national levels should not have responsibility for
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  economic well-being of citizens.
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  And we say agree.
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  That is true.
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  They have no responsibility.
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  So the Peers test has 70 of these kinds of statements, 14 in each of the five Peers
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  spheres.
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  For you, Mark, agree to disagree on a lycra scale, you know, a strong degree or a strong
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  degree.
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  And then we now have with this new website, we have our position papers digitally linked
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  to the person's scorecard.
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  So if we say they're on the wrong side of the question, they can tap on it and get a
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  position paper, which is a 6 to 8 page paper, that's like the Bible study on that topic.
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  Those are really, really significant.
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  So that's the essence of Peers, the questions and position papers, and then the pillars course.
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  And I see the pillars course I'm reading just from the early pages of the book, a look
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  at currently dominant worldviews.
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  And this is what we have to contend with.
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  We've got secular humanism, Marxism, Leninism, cosmic humanism, new ageism.
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  And then there's biblical theism and biblical Christianity.
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  Talk to us a little bit about cosmic humanism.
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  I haven't heard it put that way before.
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  Yeah, that's just the idea that there's just a force, you know, in the sky that is our
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  God and this force, you know, will guide us if we just give ourselves to this force.
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  It's very demanding, very dangerous.
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  But let's get into that with the next slide, and I can show you where we got some results
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  from that.
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  First, we like to say this, what the Peer's Test is not and you can read down there.
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  You know, it's not a Bible knowledge test.
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  We have lots of those quizzes on the Internet, a Bible knowledge test.
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  The Peer's Test is a gauge of how we think the world should work in these five Peer's
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  categories.
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  So in developing the Peer's Test, we had to go through some exercises to show that the
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  test was really valid.
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  It was really measuring what we claim to measure.
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  So we gathered up a group of about 35 scholarly individuals.
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  These are heads of Christian ministries, authors of good Christian books, names that you
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  would be familiar with in most cases, and we gave them the Peer's Test.
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  Now we knew who they were and we knew where their worldview was at.
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  We wanted to see if the Peer's Test would show that.
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  And so you're looking at the composite results of these 35 scholarly Christian leaders.
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  None of them scored below 70, which is our benchmark for atheism.
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  Serval of them scored 100.
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  Well, that's what we expected that we replaced that the Peer's Test would reflect that.
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  So then with those results under our belt, we had to find other groups that we knew
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  would be on the opposite side of worldview and see if the Peer's Test would reflect that.
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  The way we obtained those results was by running ads in the Humanist magazine and the
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  New Age magazine.
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  The New Age stuff is where the cosmic humanism is believed to be a forest we can trust.
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  So I made the assumption that subscribers to those two magazines are not on our wavelength.
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  They're not in our worldview camp.
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  So we ran ads for three months in those two magazines.
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  I think we called it a free philosophy of life assessment, something like that.
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  And then after three months, we run a report to shoulder composite results.
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  So here's the results of Humanist, the New Age, all below zero.
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  Wow, especially in the religion category, of course.
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  So this is a worldview posture of people who call themselves humanists.
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  They don't believe there's a God, New Ageers or a cosmic God.
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  So there's the top one.
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  The blue is the worldview scholars and then below that in the green are the New Ageers.
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  Now that chart tells everything.
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  This is this is two major different worldviews that are buying for the culture.
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  And the red line is the summary results of Christian family students.
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  From 1988 to the end of last year, not a straight line down, ups and downs.
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  But over 30 some years, the purest test is showing that we are losing our youth.
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  They're moving away from a Judeo Christian worldview in favor of a secular humanist,
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  if not a socialist worldview.
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  I say this is our greatest crisis in America that we're losing an entire
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  generation.
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  Over 90% of our kids are on that red line.
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  Our kids and most of them are in public schools or in traditional prison schools that are weak.
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  So this is a serious, serious matter that the peers test is showing us.
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  Comments on that, Dave?
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  Yes, well, it's a startling figure on the trend chart.
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  90% of Christian youth are in this category of this decline.
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  They're basically believing syncretism or secularism, and you say it's the greatest problem
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  for the church today.
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  This is why it's so important to understand why the enemy goes after children.
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  The enemy for 50 plus years has gone after the kids in the public schools.
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  So would you care to comment on that, and then we'll have to, yeah, that's exactly right.
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  Go ahead.
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  Let me know as well that if you can capture the kids, you will have the nation in 30, 40 years.
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  That's what's planned out in America.
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  The Marxist with John Dewey's help, father of the public school system, have teamed up,
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  and decided to set out and capture America, take it down by replacing our Judeo Christian
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  heritage in our schools with this Marxification of ideas.
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  And so the peers test is shown that, and we really need to pay attention to that, because
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  this is hard for data that says our kids are believing humanist new age ideas more
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  so than Judeo Christian.
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  Now, I know that maybe youth pastors don't like to hear this, but when I test youth groups,
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  this is exactly the data we get.
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  And when I show the youth group, the leaders, the questions that the kids are missing,
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  they say, oh my gosh, how can my kids believe that?
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  But they are.
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  Yeah, and you're not talking about just young people.
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  You're talking about youth groups and churches.
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  In churches, right?
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  Yeah.
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  Yeah, and we know from Barnard Research and others that even the biblical worldview of pastors
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  and especially youth pastors, only 13% of youth pastors, in churches have a biblical worldview.
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  So we have a lot of problems going on, a lot of issues.
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  Think a lot of it points to the need for parents to bring up their kids in the way of Lord,
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  the biblical worldview, and instead of the allowing government schools, Hollywood, media,
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  corporates, corporations, I love this quote, and we have to take a brief pause here, Daniel,
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  and then we'll pick up one of those slides when we come back by Abraham Kuiper, who is
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  the prime minister in the Netherlands, and he said, when principles that run against
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  your deepest convictions begin to win the day, then battle is your calling and peace is
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  your sin.
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  Now, there's a good wake up call for some Christians that just say, well, I don't want to get involved.
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  Battle is your calling that too many people want to have a comfortable, I call it maybe
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  cruise ship Christianity instead of battleship being ready because we're supposed to fight,
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  but I think we're not fighting for the children, we're not protecting the children.
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  So too many of them are being won over by the other side, and the devil is making disciples,
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  the devil is.
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  But we're supposed to make disciples of Christ.
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  I know I'm preaching to the choir, Daniel Smithwick, Nehemiah Ministries, there's a card
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  you sent me time to rebuild the wall again, and it's on the worldview on Nehemiah Institute
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  since 1986.
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  Back with Daniel Smithwick, I want to give you the website again, NehemiahInstitute.com.
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  The other one is WorldViewCheckup.org, and we're talking about the book Pillars of Study
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  and Foundations of Civilizations.
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  We're also talking about the Peer's Test, so Daniel, just pick it up where we left off.
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  This is a summary of 30-some years of Peer's Testing on the left side of pastors, the biblical
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  scholars that we had in the validity study, average for above 90.
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  Next are pastors, just barely over the biblical fears and category, we'd like to see that
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  higher, but at least it's there.
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  Next to our troubling, faculty in Christian schools, faculty in Christian schools in the
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  middle of the moderate Christian, same as general adults.
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  A lot of adults take our tests, they find us by different beings or the kids who have
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  taken the Peer's Test and they say maybe I should too.
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  So they're there, the problem is the next two, college age kids in Christian colleges
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  and then Christian high schools, below the red line into the secular humanism category.
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  So if you just compare where our leaders are at on the left two columns, compared to
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  the right two columns, what it means is our youth are not accepting what our leaders
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  are holding to and trying to bring about in our culture.
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  This is a critical, critical issue when we're losing our kids at this kind of rate, this
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  is test over 125,000 students, over 30 years, over 1,000 schools, it's just telling that
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  something has to change.
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  We cannot continue to allow our kids to leave home and even leave Christian college with
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  those kinds of world views.
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  They're not going to perpetuate the Christian faith, it's really, really serious.
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  So we've seen a little growth, a little uptick in homeschooling and that's not just to
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  say that Christian families are taking their responsibility seriously to educate their
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  own kids.
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  That's to say that even the world is having an issue.
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  I think that started with COVID with some of the chaos of the public schools and online
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  learning and learning and air quotes, online education, but so a lot of people are going
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  to homeschooling and do you see that as being a little too little too late for people actually
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  educating their own children or obviously is there still time, especially for Christian
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  families?
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  You know, it is late, but it's not too late.
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  There are Christian schools that do well, that score in the upper part of that chart.
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  They can be done, but there has to be a focus on the world view understanding.
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  The parental training is critical, the teacher training is critical, and curriculum follows
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  after that.
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  The most important thing are the teachers.
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  You know, I say the most important question probably today is who's teaching our teachers.
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  How are they being, how is their world view being shaped and because we're submitting our
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  children to these people and they're going to come out of that classroom, that school,
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  with a world view that looks like the teachers.
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  So it's not too late, God is still merciful and so we can do it.
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  Daniel, can we talk about that for a minute because I rarely ever hear that question asked.
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  We know who's teaching the children sadly for the most part in our culture in the United
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  States.
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  Who's teaching the teachers?
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  They go through K through 12 and they've already lost the biblical world view and then
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  they go into the university system, which is completely not just, it's a hostile to
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  the biblical world view and Christian and so these are the, if they go for education to
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  be a teacher, they have a world view that's informing or influencing how they teach.
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  Go ahead and speak to that for a moment before we go back to your next question.
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  The first person that brought that about was John Dewey, John Dewey who was raised in
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  the Christian home, became an atheist in his early 20s.
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  He set out to save America because he thought it was an absolute travesty that we were sending
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  little boys and girls to school to pray to somebody that wasn't there and to read a book
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  that was just met.
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  So John Dewey's work to decrysternize America was done by his enormous work of creating
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  the teacher college system.
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  We used to have colleges in America called teacher colleges and if you wanted to teach,
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  you would go there and get your degree in education and it was thoroughly humanistic
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  if not socialist.
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  And so we were basically asleep at the switch and just thought that, you know, our kids
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  are learning their three hours okay and everything's fine and gradually the kids started
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  rebelling.
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  They were going against, you know, our value systems because that's what they were taught.
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  And higher ed took it even further, our most of our higher ed schools today in America
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  are Marxist professors.
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  So we really have not paid attention to who's teaching the teachers to understand who's
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  teaching our kids, big, big problem.
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  So I just want to mention, I've got one of the brochures you sent me for the Premier
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  World Center, Nea My Institute.
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  And if you look over at the advisory council, we've got at least three people that have
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  been guests on World View Matters, Pastor Paul Blair, Alex Newman, Sam Sorbo.
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  So a lot of familiar troublemakers for the Kingdom of God.
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  There is, you sent me another brochure real quick, Daniel, and then I know you've got
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  a couple more slides to look at.
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  The Kingdom Seminar, what is this for pastors and community leaders before we go on, tell
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  us a little bit about that.
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  Yeah, I had developed a half day Seminar for churches or I go out to churches and do
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  three presentations covering the World View Crisis first Seminar deals with, with world
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  history from a biblical perspective.
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  Second is America's history.
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  And then third Seminar is on the pure story and what the pure thing is telling us.
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  I don't charge for this Seminar.
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  I just ask that they provide transportation and a bin.
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  And every time I've done this and I've done about 20 churches in our country, it's always
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  a wake up call.
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  So I would be very happy to take a call from anybody that is watching on how we can do
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  that Kingdom Seminar.
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  It is really, really an eye opener for churches.
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  Okay.
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  Dan, I see on the bottom of your website, there's an 800 number and there's an email info
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  at worldviewcheckup.org or those two of the best ways to get a hold of you.
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  Yes, the 800 number, which I show in the next couple of slides here.
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  Okay, go ahead.
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  Right here.
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  So worldviewcheckup.org, that's the best URL to use.
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  The cost for an individual of 1776, nice number, right?
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  And then it's automatically discounted down to 88 depending on the size of the group.
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  So this is where you go because every one of us with the fight in America, we need
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  to make sure, is my thinking really biblical or have I had some blind spots about this?
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  This will tell you to get instant results and it's strictly confidential.
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  Nobody sees your scorecard, but you got it.
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  And then our 800 number there, I'm happy to take a call and walk people through what this
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  how it works, what it means, how to get it into your churches.
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  This is really the tool that can help write in the ship in America.
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  I really truly believe that our 30 years of doing this is now a tool that the church
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  in America needs because we have to know this.
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  We have to know where our thoughts have been taken captive to the, you know, instead
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  of to the obedience of Christ, I encourage our audience to really do this.
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  So I want to share a couple of quotes from pillars, the book that I'm reading from Noah
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  Webster.
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  We haven't heard this in a while, but he simply said, education is useless without the Bible.
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  J. Gresham Machen said, when the classroom creates the view that the child is of the highest
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  importance in the education process, it is promoting humanism.
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  I didn't think there's one more by George Mueller that I wanted to share if I could pull
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  that up.
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  But Daniel, while I'm looking for that quote, go ahead.
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  Oh, here we go.
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  And then I'll let you finish.
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  We've got three minutes, three minutes left for you to wrap us up.
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  George Mueller said, the vigor of our spiritual life will be an exact proportion to the place
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  held by the Bible in our life and thoughts.
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  Go ahead and wrap us up on that.
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  That's just telling, isn't it?
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  So back to the peers acronym, P-E-R-S.
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  I have been telling audiences that it seems like the evangelical world is stuck in the
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  R-Canadory.
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  You know, we're all concerned about religion.
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  We want to have right religious doctrine, but we're paying little if any attention to
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  those other major spheres of life, politics, meeting civil government, economics.
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  I mean, how many sermons do we hear on that?
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  And yet those two spheres alone shape an enormous amount of our life.
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  And if we're not thinking biblically there, we will adopt policies that God has to crush.
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  And that's really what's happening.
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  So I want to say the past is, why wouldn't you want to do a worldview checkup on your church?
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  You won't see individual scores, but you will get summary reports that shows what are
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  the top 10 misquestions that your church had.
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  Now, that's wonderful sermon material.
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  And start taking those questions one at a time using the scriptures and teaching a biblical
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  position on those top 10 misquestions, because, you know, this is a pastor's job, right?
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  The Bible says you equip the saints.
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  Well, here's a way to find out where your saints need to be equipped with biblical teaching.
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  So.
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  And we know from all the worldview surveys and just the surveys on morality and moral
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  relativism in America and culture that we are declining and the church is kind of needing
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  that sadly.
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  We're being influenced by the world more than influencing the culture of salt and light.
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  One more thing.
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  And here we are, you know, days after a huge election and millions of Christians didn't
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  even vote.
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  So it happens every election in terms of tens of millions actually, which is just a misunderstanding
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  of our role and purpose as believers, true believers in Christ in this culture when it comes
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  to civil government, politics, I'm sure Daniel, you've heard that you, you can't legislate
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  morality, which is a big lie.
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  But I want to give the website again, worldviewcheckup.org, niamayainstitute.com.
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  Brother, thank you for, I mean, you've been at this since the 80s.
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  So I really hope and pray more people get a whole of you and get this teaching into the
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  churches and get these checkups.
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  But your final words in about 30 seconds, go ahead.
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  I like to say to parents, you know, how about mom, dad, and your high school kids do this
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  individually and then compare your results in your own family.
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  See what your, how your kids thinking is different than you're thinking.
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  I mean, that's, that's a good place to start, right?
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  It sounds like you're having the, yeah, you're showing your, you're welcome.
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  Daniel Smithwick, we appreciate you and, and just all the, all the work.
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  And we pray that God would enlarge your territory and give you good success because this is so
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  needed.
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  If we have any hope of God preserving and us helping, you know, save the United States
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  and God bless brother, thank you so much again for all you're doing.
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  And God bless your work, too, and thank you very much.
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  Thank you.
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  All right, guys, this is, I mean, worldviewcheckup, what's what's our show called worldview matters?
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  Truth matters.
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  Jesus is Lord.
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  Worldview matters.
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  God bless you.
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  God bless you.
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  And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.