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You Either Die the Hero... · College Football with Stugotz & The Bear

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  Speaker 1: College football with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: And, of course, everyone knows the exact right time to
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  Speaker 2: start a college football show is week four of the
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  Speaker 2: college football season.
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  Speaker 3: There's T-Bob again.
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  Speaker 4: That's right. Special guest. Glad to be back, guys. Love
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  Speaker 4: coming to hang out with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 4: College football.
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  Speaker 3: Mario Cristobal, head coach at the University of Miami. Thank
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  Speaker 3: you for joining us.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't find any value in it. Humans, like,
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  Speaker 4: just spewing diarrhea out of their mouth.
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  Speaker 1: With Stu Gatz.
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  Speaker 4: I can give a rat's fat ass about what he
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  Speaker 4: says or does.
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  Speaker 1: And the Bear.
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  Speaker 4: The f * * * ing Bear is awesome. You're
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  Speaker 4: listening to College Football with Stu Gatz and the Bear.
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  Speaker 2: It is College Football with Stu Gatz and Bear, and
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  Speaker 2: look who is here.
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  Speaker 3: He is the host of Wake Up Barstool, 8 to
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  Speaker 3: 10 a.m.
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  Speaker 2: Eastern, every single day on FS1 and wherever you get
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  Speaker 2: your podcasts.
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  Speaker 3: It is T-Bob.
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  Speaker 2: Kirk Herbstreit going to join us in about 15 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Very much looking forward to that and very much, T-Bob,
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  Speaker 2: looking forward to what is another great college football weekend
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  Speaker 2: coming up here.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Stu, we are on the border of
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  Speaker 4: a literal record-setting weekend. Six ranked matchups this weekend. The
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  Speaker 4: record is seven.
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  Speaker 1: Stu?
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  Speaker 4: I know you're not a math guy.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: There's two teams in each game. Six times two, 12. Yes.
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  Speaker 4: 25 divided by 12. We're talking about damn near 50%
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  Speaker 4: of the teams with a name, with a number next
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  Speaker 4: to their name going toe to toe this weekend. And
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  Speaker 4: it starts in the big 10 top five. Ohio State
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  Speaker 4: heading to Bloomington, taking on Indiana, a rematch of last
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  Speaker 4: year's Big Ten National Championship. Of course, Ohio State having
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  Speaker 4: already fallen to Texas, but Indiana, Bear, winners of 22
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  Speaker 4: in a row, and here's where we should start. Last
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  Speaker 4: time we saw these two in the Big Ten Championship,
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  Speaker 4: it was a defensive battle. Bear, how do you feel
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  Speaker 4: these teams have changed in the interim?
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  Speaker 5: I think the biggest change is Indiana's secondary team. I
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  Speaker 5: don't know without D'Angelo Pons if they have a guy
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  Speaker 5: back there who can just take away half the field
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  Speaker 5: and possibly you're looking at Jeremiah Smith having a a
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  Speaker 5: monster game, which I love Ryan day's quote the other
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  Speaker 5: day about to Julian saying like, if it's single coverage,
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  Speaker 5: he's definitely open, throw him the ball. If it's double coverage,
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  Speaker 5: he's probably open triple coverage. Someone else is open. I
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  Speaker 5: love that quote. I wonder now with daily back as
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  Speaker 5: well in that Indiana, you saw Indiana's defense in the
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  Speaker 5: second half last week of that game, really make some
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  Speaker 5: adjustments and get to Calandria and eliminate their passing game.
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  Speaker 5: Big Ten Championship game last year, they made Saiyan see ghosts.
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  Speaker 5: They dominated the Ohio State offensive line. I think there
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  Speaker 5: are some concerns, like bubbling, percolating maybe, under the radar
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  Speaker 5: a little bit about the Ohio State offensive line. Michael
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  Speaker 5: Lombardi is someone who always used to say bad offensive
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  Speaker 5: lines travel, good offensive lines. Bad offensive line on the
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  Speaker 5: road here. I don't know. I think Ohio State is
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  Speaker 5: the better team, but I just think every, like, tangential, emotional,
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  Speaker 5: off-the-field deal, like Indiana in the longest winning streak, longest
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  Speaker 5: home winning streak, Big Ten winning streak, beat them in
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  Speaker 5: the Big Ten championship game. Now you're a home dog.
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  Speaker 5: If I'm Kurt Cignetti, I love all of those other
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  Speaker 5: things coming into the game.
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  Speaker 2: So, Bear, I think one of the interesting things with
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  Speaker 2: this game and with college football in general, and I'm
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  Speaker 2: wondering if you agree, I think Ohio State has the
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  Speaker 2: advantage because they have the loss. And Indiana has not
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  Speaker 2: lost yet. I think you have to factor. Well, yes,
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  Speaker 2: because you don't want to lose two. You certainly don't
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  Speaker 2: want to lose three. And Indiana is undefeated. And so
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  Speaker 2: I just kind of like the edge there for Ohio State. Plus,
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  Speaker 2: it's Indiana. Indiana is no longer a joke, as we know,
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  Speaker 2: that they're defending national champions. But I just like when
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  Speaker 2: the matchup is equal or close to equal, the team
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  Speaker 2: that has one loss, to me, has an advantage over
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  Speaker 2: the team that is undefeated.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll deflect to T-Bob here, and I want to
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  Speaker 5: ask him as a player because I think there's a
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  Speaker 5: lot more pressure on Ohio State in this game because
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  Speaker 5: they have the loss. If they lose, you have a
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  Speaker 5: loss to Texas, you've got a loss to Indy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: two top 10 teams for sure, but now your wiggle
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  Speaker 5: room for the remainder of the year is completely gone.
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  Speaker 5: To me, that's a lot of pressure, I think, for
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  Speaker 5: Ohio State going into this game, kind of knowing if
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  Speaker 5: we don't win here, we really put ourselves in a corner.
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  Speaker 4: So, I mean, I think in this kind of conversation,
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  Speaker 4: I think I fall more on the side of what
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  Speaker 4: Stu is saying.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: If we're talking about... But you are right, Bear. You
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  Speaker 4: are right. There is no margin of error. But what
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  Speaker 4: does that do? That fights against any complacency. It fights
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  Speaker 4: like Ohio State. I think this Ohio State team is
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  Speaker 4: better this year for having that Texas loss than last year's.
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  Speaker 4: Last year, I was talking constantly about the Buckeyes. Look,
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  Speaker 4: they haven't been bloodied up. They don't know what it's
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  Speaker 4: like when they're in a fistfight. They don't know how
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  Speaker 4: they're going to respond. They've taken one on the chin.
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  Speaker 4: And more importantly, they learned a lesson. incredibly harsh lesson
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  Speaker 4: about how even a moment of complacency can make you pay.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, they were dominating Texas. They fell asleep for
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  Speaker 4: 10 minutes, and somehow they end up losing to a
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  Speaker 4: Texas team that they're probably objectively better than. So I
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  Speaker 4: like more battle-tested Ohio State coming in here. Now, that said, Indiana,
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  Speaker 4: a couple of tough scraps, whether it's Northwestern, obviously last
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  Speaker 4: week Nebraska. So they've been in a couple dogfights. I just...
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  Speaker 4: it's a weird thing. I don't think this year's Indiana
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  Speaker 4: team is, I don't think there's good, which is, which
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  Speaker 4: is fine. And it's not even a knock on them.
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  Speaker 4: It's actually a huge testament to them that we're in
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  Speaker 4: year three of Cignetti. They're still winning and they look
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  Speaker 4: more flawed than they had before.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't, I don't like you mentioned the
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  Speaker 4: secondary bear. I completely agree. The running game, which was
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  Speaker 4: dominant last year, for whatever reason, offensive line, if I
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  Speaker 4: expect them to be a bit better up to this point,
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  Speaker 4: they haven't been. I think I kind of like, Ohio
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  Speaker 4: State to go in and get this done. Stu, I've
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  Speaker 4: been wanting to ask you about Kurt Cignetti because you
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  Speaker 4: are the master at moving the goalposts, right?
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  Speaker 1: Do it again.
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  Speaker 3: Do this.
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  Speaker 4: Do that. I'm not impressed. Do more. Do better. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: is Cignetti the anti-Stugatz? Like, what could you possibly say
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  Speaker 4: to him?
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  Speaker 2: You can't really say anything for the remainder of time
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  Speaker 2: because when you do it at Indiana, you don't have
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  Speaker 2: to do it again.
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  Speaker 3: He already did it. He did it once.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, wait, wait, wait. That's big news. In the Stugatz school,
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  Speaker 4: Kurt Cignetti never has to do it again.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't do it at Alabama. He did it at
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  Speaker 2: the worst college football program in the history of the sport,
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  Speaker 2: and he won them a national championship. He is good
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  Speaker 2: for the remainder of time. He doesn't have to do
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  Speaker 2: it against Ohio State. He doesn't have to do it
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  Speaker 2: again this year. He did it once at Indiana, and
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  Speaker 2: that's enough. I mean, seriously, he's on my Mount Rushmore
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  Speaker 2: of college coaches. If he never wins another game, Cignetti
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  Speaker 2: is on my Mount Rushmore. of college coaches, because bear,
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  Speaker 2: you never thought in our lifetime, we would see Indiana
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  Speaker 2: be this relevant.
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  Speaker 5: No, no, it is a, we're all laughing. I, I
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  Speaker 5: remember back in the days when Stanford, Steve and I
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  Speaker 5: did our pod. We always used to like joke about it.
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  Speaker 5: This is going to be like Indiana's week to, to wait.
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  Speaker 5: We loved Indiana as an underdog.
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  Speaker 1: And then.
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  Speaker 5: We bet on them so many times and they would
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  Speaker 5: have a big lead and they'd lose. And we would
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  Speaker 5: like joke around, like lose it. If Indiana was a girl,
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  Speaker 5: he would like lose their number. And we'd, we'd never
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  Speaker 5: answer the call again. If they called for the late night,
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  Speaker 5: the late night booty call, but you look at what
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  Speaker 5: they've done now. I, how, how can, I can't believe
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  Speaker 5: I'm saying this, but, Like, how can I not agree
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  Speaker 5: with Stugatz?
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  Speaker 3: I can't believe what I just said.
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  Speaker 5: They beat Ohio State. They've won the Big Ten. They've
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  Speaker 5: won the National. Everything that you possibly could do, he's done.
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  Speaker 5: And I think the Indiana fans are, like, whatever happens
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  Speaker 5: from here, we're good. I think they're probably more concerned
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  Speaker 5: about getting their hoops team back on track right now.
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  Speaker 2: Bear, I do wonder if there's Cignetti fatigue, meaning are
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  Speaker 2: people starting to get tired of this? It was a
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  Speaker 2: cute little story, and now they're starting to get tired
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  Speaker 2: of Cignetti and his program.
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  Speaker 5: I know for a fact that there– maybe not Cignetti fatigue,
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  Speaker 5: but I think there is some Indiana fatigue.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Because it was this cute story, and now it's like–
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  Speaker 5: I know for a fact there are people out there,
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  Speaker 5: and I am friends with some of them, who hate-watched
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  Speaker 5: Indiana and Nebraska last week in.
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  Speaker 4: Hopes that Nebraska would win. I mean, look, they say
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  Speaker 4: it in the Dark Knight, the old Batman, right? I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you either die a hero or you live long enough
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  Speaker 4: to become the villain. They're on a 22-game win streak.
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  Speaker 4: They're the villain. Like, they are the big bad now.
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  Speaker 4: They're no longer cute. They're kind of obnoxious, if we're
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  Speaker 4: completely honest. I mean, Cignetti's out here talking all this
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  Speaker 4: trash about how we do hard things, scheduling, and he
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  Speaker 4: set the precedent for making your schedule as easy as possible.
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  Speaker 4: Indiana fans are just walking around, throwing their weight around,
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  Speaker 4: thinking their shit don't stink anymore. Which, in a way, again,
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  Speaker 4: is kind of fun to watch. Now, I asked you
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  Speaker 4: about Cignetti.
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  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 4: Same number of national championships, Ryan Day.
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  Speaker 3: What about Ryan Day, Stu? Different school. Do it against
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  Speaker 3: Indiana on the road. Do it again.
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  Speaker 1: And then do it again.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, to be honest, like, he is Ryan Day
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  Speaker 4: to me because I'm someone who's actually, I've always championed
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  Speaker 4: against your school of thought, Stu. I've always thought that, like, we,
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  Speaker 4: in American sports culture, we make championships as end-all, be-all,
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  Speaker 4: and we don't engage with, like, nuance and context and
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  Speaker 4: you can be great and not win championships and this
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  Speaker 4: or that. Ryan Day, though, is the ultimate kind of
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  Speaker 4: put that to the test coach, right? Like like he's
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  Speaker 4: never had that perfect moment. Even, even, even the year
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  Speaker 4: in which he wins the national championship, they lose to Michigan.
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  Speaker 4: They don't win the big 10, right? Like, like he's
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  Speaker 4: been so close. He was born into this great situation.
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  Speaker 4: That's why they call him third base. So, so I agree.
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  Speaker 4: He's got an S championship. He's got big 10 championships.
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  Speaker 4: He's got high, but I still feel like Ryan day
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  Speaker 4: should be having more success at Ohio state.
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  Speaker 5: I think that comes with just the, the, the pressure
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  Speaker 5: of that job. I say pressure and I don't want
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  Speaker 5: to discount like the job, but it's almost, this is
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  Speaker 5: going to come across the wrong way. And I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to say it anyway. It's almost like the easiest job
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  Speaker 5: in college football is, You've got an unbelievable fan base
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  Speaker 5: who can be a thorn in your side. You've got
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  Speaker 5: unlimited resources. You've got unbelievable talent. You've got history, tradition,
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  Speaker 5: everything going for you. It's like a program that really
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  Speaker 5: is on autopilot. But at the same time, it's a
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  Speaker 5: difficult job because you're expected to beat Michigan every year.
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  Speaker 5: You're expected to win the big 10 every year. You're
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  Speaker 5: expected to win or play for the national title or
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  Speaker 5: go to the Rose bowl every year. So like, it's
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  Speaker 5: like damned. If you do damned, if you don't both
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  Speaker 5: sides of the sword and, there are 138, I think,
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  Speaker 5: FBS teams now out there. There are probably 130 college
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  Speaker 5: football programs out there that would kill to have Ryan
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  Speaker 5: Day as their head coach.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's completely fair. You also got the flagship thing, right?
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  Speaker 4: You have a massive state with a ton of talent,
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  Speaker 4: and you're the main draw. Everybody's obsessed. Everything funnels to you.
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  Speaker 4: All right, let's get into some picks then here before
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  Speaker 4: we talk BYU-Notre Dame, guys. I think Ohio State wins. Again,
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  Speaker 4: I think a key in their Texas failure where they
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  Speaker 4: were exhausted by that fourth quarter, even though it was
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  Speaker 4: at night, I think the weather kind of got to them.
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  Speaker 4: It's going to be a much more friendly environment in
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  Speaker 4: that regard. It's going to be at noon, a time
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  Speaker 4: slot they're used to. And I can't get past Jeremiah Smith.
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  Speaker 4: I think Jeremiah Smith takes over this game. I think
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  Speaker 4: Ohio State wins. I am going to take the three
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  Speaker 4: and a half with Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a close game. I worry about Ohio
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  Speaker 5: State's offensive line. They did basically pass the test in
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  Speaker 5: Texas for 50 minutes of the game. So they do
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  Speaker 5: have that obviously positive experience going for them. You've got
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  Speaker 5: an experienced quarterback. I want to know if they can
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  Speaker 5: make the big play. when it matters on there, they
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  Speaker 5: can kind of shake the, cause that's, that narrative's out
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  Speaker 5: there as well. Like Julian is saying in big games, uh,
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  Speaker 5: he hasn't necessarily been great. I think the confidence of
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  Speaker 5: Indiana right now is sky high. I think this team
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  Speaker 5: believe truly believes I'm sure it's because of Kurt Cignetti.
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  Speaker 5: Every time they set foot on the field, they're going
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  Speaker 5: to win and they believe they're going to find a
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  Speaker 5: way to win. Last week's game was basically Iowa Penn
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  Speaker 5: state from last year, all over again. Uh, These biggest
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  Speaker 5: games in school history at home always have a way
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  Speaker 5: of maybe being a negative, but I think IU, north
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  Speaker 5: of a field goal here, I'd be taking the Hoosiers
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  Speaker 5: plus the points. It would not shock me if they
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  Speaker 5: did extend all those winning streaks that they got going on.
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  Speaker 3: T-Bob, I hate going against Bear here, but I love
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  Speaker 3: Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: I love the urgency that Ohio State has to play
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  Speaker 2: with because they have that loss.
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  Speaker 3: Indiana doesn't have one.
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  Speaker 2: I understand what Bear is saying about feeling disrespected and
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  Speaker 2: using that as a chip because you're the defending national champs,
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  Speaker 2: you're undefeated, and you're still plus 3.5. But Indiana's come
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  Speaker 2: a long way. They shouldn't feel that disrespected. Normally this
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  Speaker 2: game would be plus 33.5, and it's not. So they've
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  Speaker 2: got it down to plus 3.5.
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  Speaker 3: I just think Ohio State needs the game more.
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  Speaker 2: They're a more talented football team top to bottom, and
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  Speaker 2: I think Ohio State's going to blow them out.
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  Speaker 3: I really do.
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  Speaker 5: What's going to be wild is I can remember, and Kirk,
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  Speaker 5: when he comes on, probably we can bring it up
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  Speaker 5: with him. I remember when Ohio State would play Indiana,
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  Speaker 5: the stadium would be like 60% Ohio State fans. I
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  Speaker 5: can promise you that you probably, in order to get
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  Speaker 5: tickets for this game, had to purchase Indiana season tickets
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  Speaker 5: to keep Ohio State fans from coming in and buying tickets.
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  Speaker 5: So it's going to feel really weird to see Ohio
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  Speaker 5: State-Indiana on this field and actually legit be an Indiana
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  Speaker 5: home field advantage.
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  Speaker 4: And lest you think that I just choose Ohio State blindly,
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  Speaker 4: I chose Indiana to beat them in the Big Ten.
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  Speaker 4: I was adamant it was going to happen. So it's
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  Speaker 4: not a blind choice. I just like the Buckeyes a
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  Speaker 4: bit better here. All right. Right now, let's talk to
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  Speaker 4: an Ohio State man. Let's talk to the legend, Kirk Herbstreit.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Next, here on College Football with Stu Gatz and the Bear. Hey,
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  Speaker 4: what's up, y'all? Welcome back to the College Football Show
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  Speaker 4: with Stugatz and the Bear. We talked made man earlier.
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  Speaker 4: Kurt Cignetti, the only made man in Stugatz's history, except
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  Speaker 4: for maybe this next man right here. And that's Kirk Herbstreit, man.
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  Speaker 4: He's all over your television all the time, catching on
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  Speaker 4: game days. He'll be called the Broncos game Thursday. He'll
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  Speaker 4: be in Provo Saturday. Kirk, what's up, man? Thank you
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  Speaker 4: so much for joining us today.
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  Speaker 1: Good to be with you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let's start in Provo, because I got to
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  Speaker 4: talk to Kalani Satake today, and I love that man. Serious, disciplined,
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  Speaker 4: a program that kind of represents the coach. Just tough, fundamental,
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  Speaker 4: and you're going to be in a fight. How do
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  Speaker 4: you feel about this Notre Dame team, which hasn't really
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  Speaker 4: been tested by this quality of opponent having to go
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  Speaker 4: on the road to Provo?
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  Speaker 1: I think that's the question, right, T-Bob?
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  Speaker 6: I think that Notre Dame's one of the few teams
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  Speaker 6: left that we just haven't seen them tested, like you said.
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  Speaker 6: And right now they look great. It's not their fault.
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  Speaker 6: These players are playing the schedule that they have. They've
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  Speaker 6: been dominant. You know, their defense up to this point
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  Speaker 6: has been better. Maybe right now, again, it's only week
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: six or seven, wherever we are. Right now you could
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: make a really strong case since Marcus Freeman's been in
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: South Bend. This might be his best defense that he's had.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: But this will be a different test.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: L.J.
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: Martin being out is significant, especially short yardage and red zone.
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: But Bear Bachmeier, these last couple weeks, we know how
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: he's built.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: He wears number 47. Dude is.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: Like a running back back there, maybe a tight end
• 16:45
  Speaker 6: or fullback back there when he takes off.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: He'll have to have a.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: Big day, not only throwing it, but getting on the
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: edge and between the tackles and kind of picking up
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: for losing LJ Martin. But I'm excited to see just
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: where this Notre Dame team is. I don't know if
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: people nationally, T-Bob, you can appreciate this playing in Baton Rouge.
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: I don't know if people nationally can fully appreciate how
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: tough Provo, Utah is.
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: It's a very underrated, hostile environment.
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: So just to see CJ Carr in that environment and
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: see this offense and the operation of it, if nothing else,
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: that and a defense, by the way, BYU's not, they're
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: not playing bad on that side of the ball either.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: They're flying around.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: You know, I think they're in the top 10 right
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: now in scoring defense. You know, total defense, I think
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: they're seventh. So they've been playing well, but this will
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: be a much different test for them. But they are
• 17:39
  Speaker 6: going to attack the Notre Dame running game and try
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: to get CJ Carr into more obvious passing situations and
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: then just dial it up, try to create havoc for
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: him and see if they get some turnovers and get
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Bachmeier the short field to work with.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: You talked about that Notre Dame offense.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: I think the emergence of Walton has really been what's
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: made this offense go. Early in the year, we were
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: wondering who was going to be the big play threat
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: on that offense. It looks like Walton's finally becoming that
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: guy that's going to step in and replace uh, love
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: and price.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Well, that that's, that's how I feel too, bear.
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: I mean, it, the, the nice Williams last year when
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: he would get in, um, he was just kind of
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: a compliment to what we saw with Jeremiah of engineering price.
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: And he showed enough flash in those situations to make
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: you think maybe this out and give you that, that
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: wow factor. And I think Walton does.
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: So I think Walton back there, I think gives them
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: a little bit more of the dimension that they were
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: used to. I mean, you lose two first round draft
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: picks in today's day and age when it comes to
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: running backs, not getting very early. and you lose two
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: off one team, it's taken a little bit of time
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: for them to get comfortable with who that guy can be.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And how about the true freshman?
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: This will be a great game, Bear, I think, for
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: Walton to kind of show he is that guy. They're
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: always going to have a big, strong offensive line. The receivers,
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: I feel like they've been there for 10 years. You know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: those guys have been there forever with great house and
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: phase on. So CJ car, greatest thing. I think he
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: brings his poise, seems to have all the answers. He'll
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: need to have all the answers. Cause like I said,
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: I think BYU, they're going to, they're going to create
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: some havoc and, and try to get the ball. Now
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: card and turn it over, you know, Notre Dame right now,
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: I think they've lost one fumble on the year.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I don't care who you're playing against that. That that's,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: that's pretty damn impressive.
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: So, Can BYU create some turnovers against an offense that
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: up to this point has done a really good job
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: of just not turning it over?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: I think that could be a big key in the game.
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: And Kirk, you study these teams and you call these
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: games so closely. I don't know how you have enough
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: hours in the day, but when you look to BYU,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: you've looked at Notre Dame. How big is the talent gap?
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: Because at a glance to the layman, it feels very large.
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: How big is the gap and how does BYU, what's
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: the avenue to them overcoming that?
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Well, I think first, I love that question because I
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: think when Bear was at game day, we went two
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: decades with preseason Notre Dame hype. And then they'd get
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: on the field with somebody that was like an LSU
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: or Ohio State or whoever.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: And for about 20 years, it was.
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: A very, very noticeable difference between Notre Dame just not
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: having what they had in the 80s with Lou Holtz
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: in the early 90s with Lou Holtz.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: When they had superior athletic ability. They had linemen.
• 20:40
  Speaker 6: They had tight ends. They had occasionally a linebacker. But
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: when it came to the skill, running backs, receivers, safeties, corners,
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: they were... two or three steps behind the elite programs. Well,
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: I really think the end of the Brian Kelly era
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: and now with Marcus Freeman, I remember when they went
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: to Athens.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: About five years ago, I thought, oh, here we go again.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: And I was like, shit, they are running with Georgia.
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: Like they look the part and that has not changed
• 21:12
  Speaker 6: one bit. So Marcus Freeman, to his credit, maybe the
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: admissions department, whatever they're doing- different these last five to
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: six years.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: They look much more athletic.
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: Of course, they're going to get the quarterback and the lineman,
• 21:28
  Speaker 6: but they look different. Now, with that being said, it's
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: hard to know because when BYU, with a lot of
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: these similar players, got on the field against Texas Tech,
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: last year I called one of those games, one in Lubbock,
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: it was a very noticeable difference between the skill with
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: Texas Tech and.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: BYU, and then it that way out in the Big
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: 12 championship. So on film right now, based on who
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: they played, especially on defense, I mean, 11 and 13
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: and four, these guys are flying and look awesome on tape.
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: But will they look that way against Notre Dame? I
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: think they will defensively. I don't know where they are
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: as an offense when it comes to, especially without LJ Martin,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: if they can stack up.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: This could be a low scoring game.
• 22:16
  Speaker 6: I don't know what the over under is, but this,
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: this kind of feels like with the home crowd and
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: with the way their defense is playing, I would be
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: surprised if it's like a, you know, Notre Dame in
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: the low twenties kind of game and, and BYU trying to,
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: you know, kind of hang in there with them.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It just feels like a more of a low scoring
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: kind of game.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Herbie, if I say Miami is the most talented team
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: in the country, how much brushback am I going to
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: get from you?
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I called them a couple weeks ago. I love Miami.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I think they're better at quarterback this year.
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: I don't know if they have the depth at receiver
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: that they had in the past.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: I want to see them healthy defensively. You know, I
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: think they're getting a couple guys back.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: Damon Wilson has really stepped up and provided that edge pressure,
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: especially against Clemson. He kind of had a coming out
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: game in that game as far as being at least
• 23:13
  Speaker 6: in a Miami uniform.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Of course, he's been in Georgia and Missouri. But you
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: don't really have to sell me on Miami.
• 23:19
  Speaker 6: We did a segment last week on game day in
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: the heart of the SEC with Georgia and Alabama fans
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: around the game day set.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: It was indoors.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: And they asked me, we do the same spin.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: With a grab bag or whatever.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: And it was like, okay, my question was, who's the
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: best team? Forget the records. Who's the best team in
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: college football? an easy answer would have been Georgia or
• 23:43
  Speaker 6: Alabama or the winner of that game. And I, by
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: the way, they're right there in the discussion, but I said, Miami, I, I,
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: I think I, the only thing I worry about is
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: the depth receiver and the, and the health of their defense.
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: But if they can get everybody back, they, they are
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: a beautiful team. And like I said, Mensah is just
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: a different level of consistency and, than I think Carson Beck,
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: who I was a fan of.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: But I just– I think there was a little bit
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: of an up and down last year with Beck. And
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I don't feel that right now with Mensah. I think
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: he's the real deal.
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: It looks like they're going to get Xavier Lucas back
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: this weekend. It looks like Marquise Lightfoot is back.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: And hopeful to get Frederic back. DeMarie Brown should be
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: back as well. It looks like these guys, as we
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: get later on in the year, are going to be
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: coming back, which would be good for a playoff run.
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: Not to go back to the Big 12, but I did–
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: I did have one question for you about that game
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: in terms of the national perception of the Big 12.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: We saw Texas Tech get the shit kicked in last
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: year in the college football playoff against Oregon. The Big
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: 12 does not have a ton of marquee non-conference wins
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: against these big top 10 other power forward teams. If
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: BYU were to go out on their home field on
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: Saturday night and lose 27-3, What does that do moving
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: forward for the league? Because I think there's a really
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: good path for this league to get multiple teams into
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: the playoff. But does a BYU loss and not really
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: being competitive potentially on their home field affect maybe how
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: the committee is going to view this conference moving forward?
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Fair, all fair. And I think whether we like to
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: admit it or not, past history affects all of our thoughts. Yes.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: towards how we evaluate teams. It's just, and conferences.
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: It's just, I remember when Boise State was trying to
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: knock on the door of the BCS and it was like, okay,
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: it took them like five years of beating Oklahoma in
• 25:43
  Speaker 6: the Fiesta Bowl.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And we were like, oh, wow, Boise State.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Then they went to Virginia Tech when Virginia Tech was
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: good and they beat them at FedEx Field. And we
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: were like, and then they went to Georgia and played
• 25:54
  Speaker 6: them in the Georgia Dome. And it was like, it took,
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: it took like three or four years of those kinds
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: of wins for all be.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: Like, you know what?
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: We need to take this team serious. Like Chris Peterson,
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: it's no longer, he's at the little kids table. Like
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: this dude's doing it. And it, and I think the
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: same thing right now, I'm with you. The big 12
• 26:14
  Speaker 6: looks good. I mean, there's depth in that conference. Uh,
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: quarterback plays been outstanding. Um, Oklahoma State's an example of that.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: What they're doing after losing to Tulsa, they've kind of
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: surprised a lot of people. Utah's another example. They're doing
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: great things. But I'm just being honest. Until they win
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: against Notre Dame as a conference, until they go into
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: the postseason and have some success, I feel like them
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: and the ACC are kind of, other than Miami, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: used to be Clemson, they're just kind of like, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 6: think we'll all believe it.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: When we see it.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: That's why I think the SEC and the Big Ten
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: get the advantages when it comes to these kind of debates.
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: It's just– I know we're supposed to look at the
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: 2026 year, but I think we're all guilty of, oh,
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: I've seen this movie before.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: Like, here we go.
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: And they need to break that. They need to break
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: that because a great discussion– Bear and I were having
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: this earlier in the week– We all love the Big Ten.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: You know, last three years, the Big Ten has had
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: the upper hand winning the championships, been 8-2, whatever it is,
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: against the SEC head-to-head in the postseason. When you take
• 27:28
  Speaker 6: the Blue Bloods, like Penn State and Michigan away, and
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: even Nebraska, you know, a setback last week, you take
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: some of these brands you know, you have Ohio State
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: and now Oregon with, you know, another setback, a second setback.
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: You look at Ohio State and Indiana, regardless of what
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: happens this week, who's the third or fourth team.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: In the Big Ten, right? I mean, assuming they're going
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: to get three, right? I mean, who? Is it Iowa?
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, is it UCLA? Is it Nebraska? I don't
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: know who. It's just weird to me.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: For a conference that's been kind of flexing its muscles
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: and saying, hey, we're better than everybody, all good, all
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: good up to the last three years. But what's going
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: on in 2026 is Oregon and Michigan and Penn State
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: really hurt the image or the depth of the conference.
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: And could they be left with potentially two? Can Iowa
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: run the table and be sitting out there at 11-1?
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: They're locked.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: They're locked if they do that. I think it's an
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: interesting discussion. when you try to think, like, who is
• 28:33
  Speaker 6: that third and fourth and fifth team? Not right now,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: but who's it going to be in three, four, five weeks?
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: Because right now you're just using Michigan or Penn State
• 28:45
  Speaker 6: or whoever, Oregon, up there, and they're not. So it
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: opens the door for someone else.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: So you talked about the two superpowers of the Big Ten.
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: Last week, Herbie, you heard the call for the two
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: superpowers in the SEC. I mean, in Tuscaloosa, that was
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: a physical– heavyweight matchup, massive swings. The game flow is
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: probably my favorite aspect of the game, but it does
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: kind of throw Alabama into a pretty tricky spot this weekend.
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: So much expended, so much emotion, so much physicality. And
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: now you got to go on the road to kneel
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: in and you're objectively better than Tennessee, but this is
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: their Superbowl. You could be a little hungover with, with,
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: with how much, you know, this Alabama team and program
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: from calling them so much, how do you expect them
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: to respond to what is again, uh, Pretty tricky spot here.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: Again, I hate to keep referencing your days in Baton
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: Rouge as a player, but listen, I played at Ohio
• 29:38
  Speaker 6: State and the world is. changed a lot since obviously
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: when I played and even since you played. And the
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: depth of these conferences after realignment, I'm just telling you
• 29:50
  Speaker 6: right now, I want to like talk about how tough
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: the Big Ten is when you go on the road.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: The reality is I've never seen anything like what these
• 29:59
  Speaker 6: guys do in the SEC. I mean, they body blow
• 30:03
  Speaker 6: and play in a game where you're thinking, Oh my God,
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: they won.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: They survived.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: And it's like, by the time you get done celebrating
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: as a fan and you look at the next week,
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: who we got next week, it's like at Missouri or
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: at South Carolina or at Kentucky or, you know, this
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: week at Tennessee, it's like, there's.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Just, There's just no time. It's like you're drowning in
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: the ocean and you're fighting like hell to just get
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: up to catch a.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: Breath and you submerge back down underneath. It never ends
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: in that conference. I'm not saying that as pro-SEC.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that as pro-college football fan.
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: What these teams do to each other and team, but
• 30:46
  Speaker 6: you lived it and you know, especially in the trenches,
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: it's just different. It's more like how the NFL, I
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: don't know how the NFL, these guys, I gotta, I
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: do these Thursday night games. I almost feel guilty as
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: I get ready to do the Broncos and the Seahawks
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: and spending Superbowl champs.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: These guys were in bloodbaths last week.
• 31:03
  Speaker 6: And here they come, here they come limping in to
• 31:06
  Speaker 6: Thursday night.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I'm always like, Hey.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: Guys, how are you?
• 31:09
  Speaker 7: You know, like it's every week.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how.
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: These guys are standing after what they did just four
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: days ago.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: And I feel the same kind of like, It's survival
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: of the fittest in the SEC.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: I just, I never seen anything like it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: And so I don't, to answer how Alabama do, I
• 31:35
  Speaker 6: think the way the game ended and the fire from
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: Kalen DeBoer with Lee, the corner, the six, four corner
• 31:43
  Speaker 6: who kind of lost his, his shit there when it's
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: third and they're about to get off the field and
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: get the ball back. And he, he has a, just
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: a mental breakdown and it's very selfish act.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I think that could, and it's a rivalry game third,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: third Saturday. And, and, and I should be enough to like,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: get them ready to go.
• 32:07
  Speaker 6: But man, again, you know what it's like to, to
• 32:10
  Speaker 6: try to think you can bring fans.
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: I think underestimate this.
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: To think you can bring a fastball every single week
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: is just not reality. And when you bring that B-minus
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: game and you're on the road, get ready.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: That's how upsets happen. You bring that B-minus game, whether.
• 32:28
  Speaker 6: It's mentally you're not as sharp, physically you're a little
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: beat up, you're just not hitting on all cylinders.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Again, you know what that's like.
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: And the other teams over there trying to– Tennessee's trying
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: to change their outcome of their season.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: They can't figure out the quarterback. They beat Alabama. Oh
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: my gosh. The crowd rushes the field. Hypel's the man.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: He did it again.
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: They beat Alabama. I mean, here we go, man. We're going,
• 32:53
  Speaker 6: we're going to make it to the SC. Like that's it.
• 32:54
  Speaker 6: That's what's at stake for Tennessee. Alabama's like, man, we can, we,
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: we could show, you know, that we've got determination and,
• 33:03
  Speaker 6: and we can sustain this, even though we're.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Off of last week. I don't, I haven't even looked
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: what Alabama has next week.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: But it's, I'm sure another game that's, potentially tricky like
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: like this one is so um i.
• 33:16
  Speaker 7: Think they'll they got a and m at home next
• 33:19
  Speaker 7: to talent wise is good they just haven't put it
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: together yet and again a win against alabama could could
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: fix a lot of their problems.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: So i think they'll be okay um but i i
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: think it's a tricky tricky game what are they what
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: are they favored by eight seven or eight eight and
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: a half yeah Yeah, I think it's tricky, but I really,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: let me just say this, I really like both of
• 33:43
  Speaker 6: those teams.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: I think they're real.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: I think you're right when you say they're the two
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: top teams in the SEC as we.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Sit here right now.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: And if they can stay healthy, those two teams either
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: rematch in Atlanta or in the postseason, you know, when
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: we get to the playoffs.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Have you arrived at the point yet where you have
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: forgotten what week it is in the college football season?
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: Well, I've arrived at that point when someone says, hey,
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: how was game.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Day last.
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: Week?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, where were we? Ole Miss?
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: You're carrying the key sleeve at this point in the year, right?
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: The hotel gate, the room, 719.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got no idea. I got no idea, man.
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: I just look at film. I know teams I'm getting
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: ready to call. and I get ready for game day,
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: and it's a whirlwind. It's a whirlwind until we get to.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Try to get to Thanksgiving.
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: If I could get to Thanksgiving, I feel like I
• 34:45
  Speaker 6: start to see a light.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I start to see a light.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: Herbie, right before you came on, we were discussing Indiana,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, and whether or not we've arrived at a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: place where there is Kurt Cignetti fatigue.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Have we?
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: Well, for me personally, I had Kurt Cignetti fatigue after
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: his first year, some of the comments that he was making.
• 35:11
  Speaker 6: Wasn't a big fan of that. Google me and calling
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: teams out. But after talking to him, I'm very candid.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: I went and visited him this summer. He's not doing
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: that as much now that he's kind of proven that
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: this program can win. He told me, and he's told
• 35:28
  Speaker 6: people publicly when he does interviews, I kind of felt
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: like I had to do that to just kind of
• 35:33
  Speaker 6: wake up our fan base and wake up our team
• 35:36
  Speaker 6: to make them realize, you know, quit being the doormat.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Quit being like us, you know, Indiana.
• 35:44
  Speaker 6: And he's like, I had to kind of like shock
• 35:46
  Speaker 6: the system a little bit. And if you go back
• 35:48
  Speaker 6: and listen to some of his comments, that makes sense.
• 35:52
  Speaker 6: But I think he's kind of, that part of it
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: is kind of slowed down. He is who he is
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: on the sideline, chewing his gum with those facial expressions.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I just think that's kind of his deal, right? But
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I respect the hell out of what
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: he's done. years now in his third year. How can
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: you not? He might have as good a coordinator combination
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: with Shanahan on offense and Haynes on defense as that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: there is in the country. If he can hold on
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to those guys, because those guys are both going to
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: be head coaches. Haynes, I can't believe he's not already
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: a head coach. That guy is a superstar. I think
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: he's the best defensive coordinator in the country. So I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: respect the hell out of what they're doing.
• 36:42
  Speaker 6: I'll be honest, I didn't think it was going to
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: be something that was going to be sustained. I didn't
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: think his excellence would be every week and every year,
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: but here we are. And it took me last year,
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: midway through the year to be like, there's substance to this.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Some of it's, you know, we thought was bullshit. It's not.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: There's real substance here.
• 37:01
  Speaker 6: And all you can do, you don't have to like
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: some of this stuff, but you got to tip your
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: cap to how those dudes are prepared, how few mental
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: mistakes they make. I don't know if they are where
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: they were last year right now. It doesn't feel like
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: it at this point. But with him coaching and those coordinators,
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: who's to say that it can't become that down the road?
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: But I still feel like they're They're a work in
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: progress from trying to reach the team that for a
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: year ago, obviously. All right, Herbie.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: I know again, it's insane that we're even going to
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: talk to you, given all the games that you call
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: and traveling all around the country. So quickly last one
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: of the way out. What do you think about the Buckeyes?
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: They're going to Bloomington to take on that machine. You
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: just talk about, I think they get it done. Hmm.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Don't know yet.
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: I think, obviously, athletically, I tell you, the matchup of
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: the weekend, there's so many great games.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, everybody, Barrett and I were saying, so many
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: great games November 7th. This weekend, with all the results,
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, this weekend's insane.
• 38:01
  Speaker 6: So with all the games and all the matchups, the
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Ohio State offense was saying, and Jeremiah Smith and company,
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: against that Bryant-Haynes defense, That could be as good of
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: a matchup that we have this weekend. Cannot wait to
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: see just Arthur Smith and Ryan Day and how they
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: prepare for that, trying to create some explosive plays. against Haynes,
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: who's going to move those defensive alignment around.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I think there's an advantage at the line of scrimmage
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: for Indiana.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: I think there's a massive advantage with the skill for
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: Ohio state on that side of the ball.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Will the line of scrimmage be the equalizer? I guess
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: we'll see, uh, is Hoover ready for a game that,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that I think we'll see he's played a ton of football.
• 38:48
  Speaker 6: This will be probably the toughest opponent, most athletic opponent
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: he's seen probably. Um, When I played at Ohio State,
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: it was 80% Ohio State. It was sold out, but
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: it was 80% Ohio State and 20% Indiana. And now
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: it's a real home field advantage. They've done a good
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: job of showing up and getting behind their team. So
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: I don't know what the spread is in this game.
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: It feels like a coin flip to me personally. Would
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: probably give Indiana advantage because of the line of scrimmage.
• 39:19
  Speaker 6: But it's so hard to go against... Jeremiah Smith right now,
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: the way that kid's playing. I mean, can't you just
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: see the fourth quarter saying has the ball in his hands?
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: and number four makes a play that just even if
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: you haven't doubled, he just he's that guy.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: He just he will not.
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: And Arthur Smith, to his credit, he doesn't go like
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: a lot of college coordinators like, oh, they're doubling him. okay,
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: we'll see you next week, Jeremiah. Who else are we
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: going to get the ball to? He's like, oh, you're
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: going to double him? No problem.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: We're going to move him. We're going to put him
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: in a bunch.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: We're going to use, even if you double him, we're
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: still going to get him the football. So he's going
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: to get 12 to 15 catches. It's just, that's the
• 40:00
  Speaker 6: way it works.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: And can you prevent him from getting out and making
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: an explosive play? We've not seen that happen yet. We'll
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: see if Indiana can do it Saturday.
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: Bear, how do you feel about this? T-Bob, how do
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: you feel about this? Herbie, we'll get you out of
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: here in just a second. But Herbie is traveling with someone,
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: and that someone has a birthday here, and I'm thinking
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: we sing happy birthday to Peter.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: What do you guys think, huh?
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's do it.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Happy birthday to you.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Happy birthday to you.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Happy birthday, dear Peter.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Happy birthday to you.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: We know that.
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: I love that.
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: Happy birthday, Peter.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great, guys. We appreciate that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: All right, man.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Very nice of you.
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: All right, fellas. Safe travels. It looks like you're traveling
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: in style, as you should be. Say hi to the boys.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: Say hi to all the boys living around on Thursday
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: Night Football.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I will. I will. You guys have a great week.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Enjoy Saturday.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: All right. Thank you, Herbie.
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: Yes, sir.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Thanks for being the best thing on our TV. We
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: appreciate it, bud.
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: The legend, Kirk Herbstreak. We'll be back right after this
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: to wrap up this episode of College Football Show with
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: Stu Gotts and the Bear. All right, welcome back. Man,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: that was awesome, too. I mean, thank you for setting
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: that up. I love Herbie. Whatever, I don't know if
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I ever got to interview him that intimately. He's the
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: fucking man. He's awesome. But right now, it's time for
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: the medal stand. That's right, Bear. Gold, silver, bronze. What
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: should we be playing this weekend?
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Bear, before you get to that, Mikey A.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: do you think Kirk was thinking, because we've had him
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: on our show, separate from the college football show here
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: with Sagats and Bear, we didn't talk any college football
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: with him.
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: He had no idea what to do. That had to
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: be jarring to him, right?
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: Until you saved it at the end by singing in
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: his ear into his earbuds.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: Happy birthday to a dog who literally walked away when
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: you two started singing.
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: Can you blame him?
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: The dog's more famous than he is, and he knows it. Yes. Anyway.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: He does know it. By design, I think.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Let's get to the metal stand here, as T-Bob was
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: trying to get to. The medal stand, the picks here
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: from the Bears have been great this season.
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: We're going to go bronze.
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: We'll start with Indiana plus the 3.5 against Ohio State.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: Kirk kind of alluded to it there with the advantage
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: that Indiana has up front. I think that could be
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: a problem. It feels like a field goal type game.
• 42:56
  Speaker 5: So I am going to take the Hoosiers plus the 3.5.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: Silver.
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: Silver.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: I'm going to lay the points, lay the 10, 10
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: and a half with Notre Dame this week. I don't
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: think BYU is going to be able to score. Again,
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: he kind of answered some of the questions I had
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: for him before I was able to ask them.
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: It reminds me a whole lot.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: The BYU offense, what they did going into the Texas
• 43:20
  Speaker 5: Tech game last year, both of them, the regular season
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: and the conference title game. I don't think they have
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: an answer for that type of athleticism. And the gold
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: medal play, It's set up. The line is telling you
• 43:32
  Speaker 5: that Wisconsin is the right side against UCLA, getting three.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: The Bruins off of that upset win last week. Now
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: you're favored. That game last week was more about bad
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: Oregon than it was UCLA. UCLA commits a ton of
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: stupid penalties. I think Wisconsin is pretty good. We saw
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: them put up a good fight for two and a
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: half quarters or so against Notre Dame in the opener.
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: So I would be taking the Badgers here to potentially
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: pull that upset.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. Wow.
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: Going into the Rose Bowl.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Yes. I like the gold medal game.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: A vaunted home field advantage of the Rose Bowl.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Fair.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: 28,000 strong. Yeah.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: I hate doing this. I like the gold medal game.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I like the silver medal game. I'll usually just trust
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: you and trust you blindly. I do not like your
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: bronze medal game.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: That's okay.
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: If there's one I'm going to lose, let it be
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: the bronze because I'm friendly with Ryan, and whenever I
• 44:24
  Speaker 5: have no dog in the fight, I do like to
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: see Ryan and Ohio State win.
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: And in honor of Rachel, our wonderful producer, number 25
• 44:34
  Speaker 4: Northwestern at Michigan State. How about it, boy? A little
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: Pat Fitzgerald revenge game.
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: Let's go, Cats. Get it done this weekend.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: You know what, T-Bob?
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: You mentioned the ranked teams as well. of the right games,
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: three of the six longest home winning streaks are on
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: the line this week. Indiana's got the longest. You've got
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Ole Miss that's got a lengthy home winning streak. BYU's
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: got a lengthy home winning streak. And you've got two
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: of those teams that are dogs. So we could see
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: two of the longer home winning streaks go down this
• 45:02
  Speaker 5: weekend as well if what Vegas says rings true.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: I do wonder, guys, if there's a next Indiana out there,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: if there is indeed one. And I don't think we'll
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: ever see it again because Indiana was the worst college
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: football program in the history of the sport Until they
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: became national champions a year ago.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: But if there is a next Indiana. Could Northwestern be
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: that school?
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: So Northwestern does fit the billing. And they have the
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: economic buy-in.
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: In terms of traditionally struggling. And now having resources. Having
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: a very good coach in Braun. The one that I
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: can't escape is Kentucky. Just because it works all the
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: way down to the basketball analogy. Right. And they're so desperate.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: They're used to having sports success. They're so desperate to
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: have sports success.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: And again.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Anytime you play this game, what we're really talking about
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: is becoming great value Indiana because nobody will ever achieve
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: what the Hoosiers did, I don't believe. But, yeah, Northwestern,
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: definitely Kentucky on that list. Bear, help me out here
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: because Stu wants to open up the other day's show
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: talking crap about LSU. Mississippi State, it's one of the
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: ranked-unranked matchups. Mississippi State heading to Baton Rouge this weekend. Uh,
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: Camaro Taylor's health is probably the biggest aspect in this. Uh,
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: you're shaking your head. What's going on here. That's the thing.
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: Like until you know the status of K one, like what, what, what,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: what can you say about the game?
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: Like if he plays like, like clearly, uh, let's.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Say if he plays, if he plays, what do you like? Is,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: is he, cause Blake Baker's defense has been very good
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: at times and a sieve at others. If Camaro Taylor
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: is playing, will he have consistent success against LSU's defense?
• 46:40
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. LSU has taken a lot of
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: shit this year. Lane is the lightning rod. They're better
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: than what their record says they are. If you look
• 46:50
  Speaker 5: at them analytically, statistically, metrically, they still power rate as
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: a top 12, 10 type team, even with a 2-2 record.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: It feels like the game's early. So that obviously is
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: a big issue for the LSU. the home crowd there,
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: not able to get sauced up all day and enjoy
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: the pregame festivities. But I think that LSU defense is
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: still pretty good, and I wonder if State going on
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: the road here. I always like to joke about the
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: underdog with fleas, like an underdog that all these people
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: are going to jump on because it's a big number
• 47:24
  Speaker 5: and it looks good, and then they go in there,
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: and next thing you know, you look up and it's 38-17.
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: I worry about that on Saturday afternoon at Baton Rouge.
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: It feels like a lay it or pass with the
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: Bayou Bengals there.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: I mean, kicking off at 11 a.m. Get the hell
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: out of here.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Man, 11 a.m.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Kickoffs. Surrounded by all these Midwestern nerds who think that's
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: when God designed football to be played. God designed football
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: to be played under the lights when you've been able
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: to drink an entire fifth of bourbon before you step
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: foot in the stadium.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: None of this waking up and bringing a Starbucks into
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: the cathedral with you. Get the hell out of here, dude.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: All right, last one real quick here. One minute. Mizzou
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: at Ole Miss, 13-9. This is an odd one here because, like,
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: Ole Miss kind of disappeared from our consciousness for a bit, right?
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: They get dominated by Florida. They go on the bye.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: They kick Vanderbilt's ass. In the interim, Mizzou has responded
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: very nicely, and they've been on a bit of a
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: run here. does Mizzou can the triumvirate of Austin Simmons,
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: Caden Lee, Jamal Roberts, can they go into Oxford and
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: take down Chambliss and co? I think they can.
• 48:35
  Speaker 5: Missouri was like kind of a little bit of a,
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: a punchline earlier on the year, just because they really
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: hadn't done anything. And they were hanging around the rankings
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: even after a loss. And then they came out and they,
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: You got the wins that you needed to get. You
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: blew out Florida. You blew out A & M. And
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  Speaker 5: now here, I think they got a real chance to
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  Speaker 5: go in here and win. And if you're looking down
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  Speaker 5: the road, they are potentially a team that could be
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  Speaker 5: worthy of a college football playoff consideration. Because you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: that offense is scary good. And I think Ole Miss'
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  Speaker 5: defense at times, like we saw in the Swamp, They
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  Speaker 5: are a little soft up front. If they can get
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  Speaker 5: that running game going and then give Simmons some time,
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  Speaker 5: the one biggest thing that I worry about this week
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  Speaker 5: is Austin Simmons. needing to just take a deep breath, relax,
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  Speaker 5: don't get too hyped up for the return to Oxford.
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  Speaker 4: Bear, great takes by the Bear, and I still can't
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  Speaker 4: believe that Stu said, Signetti's a made man. Has nothing
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  Speaker 4: more to do in this life. Enjoy it, Kurt Cignetti.
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  Speaker 4: You are truly one of one. That is something I
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  Speaker 4: never expected to hear. Stu, Bear, Mikey, Rachel, everybody, thank
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  Speaker 4: you so much, guys. Taylor as well. Sorry we didn't
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  Speaker 4: talk UNC. Anyway, y'all have a great weekend, guys. I
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  Speaker 4: hope you win all your bets. Enjoy this incredible Saturday.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: And we'll be back next week to wrap it all
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  Speaker 4: up with more College Football Show with Stu Gatz and
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  Speaker 4: the Bear.