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Credlin | 2 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Kidoklin live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Kredline as we go to air Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: David Little Proud of just sat down for a meeting
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Speaker 2: that source's sake, but see the reunification of the coalition.
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Speaker 2: I'll bring you any updates out of that meeting, plus
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Speaker 2: a little of what I've been hearing behind the scenes
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Speaker 2: in the background of all of that. Another dire poll
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Speaker 2: for the Liberals and the Nationals, one nation continuing to surge.
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Speaker 3: Will speak with Upolster.
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Speaker 2: Behind the latest numbers, including the massive plunge in the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister's popularity, plus further oversees travel by the father
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Speaker 2: and the son duo accused of the Bond Eyed terror attack,
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Speaker 2: including allegations that both men had been radicalized for some time.
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Speaker 2: And can they mend the separation or are they headed
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Speaker 2: for political divorce?
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Speaker 4: Things that uniteds are bigger than things that divide us.
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Speaker 4: If we go to the next elections as a Liberal
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Speaker 4: party and they go as a National party, then that's okay.
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Speaker 5: David Little Proud is on the verge of scoring the
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Speaker 5: biggest own goal in Central right Australian politics of our
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Speaker 5: entire history.
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Speaker 3: I think the Coalition is going to get back together tonight.
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Speaker 6: I'd like to.
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Speaker 5: See it.
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Speaker 6: Well.
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Speaker 2: Watching all of that, I'll tell you what it gets
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Speaker 2: easy to be a Liberal supporter at the moment is
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Speaker 2: that after Scott Morrison lost government four years ago, it's
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Speaker 2: been a sorry tale of decline and despite a small
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Speaker 2: window of hope in the lead up to last May's election,
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Speaker 2: by the time the campaign rolled around, Dutton and his
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Speaker 2: side were dead, very little in the way of strong
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Speaker 2: policies and very little in the way of fight and conviction.
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Speaker 2: But given where they are now, Dutton's thirty one percent
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Speaker 2: primary vote last May looks positively brilliant alongside the latest
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Speaker 2: result from his then deputy now Liberal leader Susan Lee.
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Speaker 2: And here are those numbers. The latest red Bridge Accent
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Speaker 2: poll published today in the Australian Financial Review has a
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Speaker 2: primary vote of just seventeen percent to the Liberals. Add
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Speaker 2: that to the Nationals on two percent, you've got a
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Speaker 2: new record low for the Coalition, an absolutely appalling result
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Speaker 2: of just nineteen percent primary when both are combined. Now,
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Speaker 2: there's no way you can spend that result as anything
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Speaker 2: other than diabolical, because it is diabolical.
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Speaker 3: And what would worry me.
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Speaker 2: Now is not just that the coalition votes in the toilet,
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Speaker 2: but that it is consolidating. Voters are consolidating in their
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Speaker 2: new home, and their new home is an old one,
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Speaker 2: a home that's been around some thirty years, the home
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Speaker 2: of a much underestimated Pauline Hansen and her party.
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Speaker 3: Of course one nation. Later in the.
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Speaker 2: Show, I was speaking with a man who put that
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Speaker 2: poll together about what he leaves is driving the coalition
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Speaker 2: vote to one nation.
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Speaker 3: I'll also ask.
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Speaker 2: Him too if that vote also now includes labor types,
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Speaker 2: as it's climbed to that record high today of twenty
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Speaker 2: six percent. But before we do that, I want you
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Speaker 2: to have some perspective about those numbers, because while the
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Speaker 2: Liberals are in trouble, the values that liberals normally care
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Speaker 2: about the issues that their former voters want the politicians
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Speaker 2: to focus on.
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Speaker 3: They are not.
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Speaker 2: It's worth pointing out that the combined Liberal plus national
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Speaker 2: plus one notion vote is high at forty five percent,
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Speaker 2: and that exactly equals the combined labor and Green's vote
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Speaker 2: on forty five percent. These, of course, are primary numbers
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about here, and given the one nation surge,
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Speaker 2: it's a safe bet that voters on the center right
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Speaker 2: are more focused on conservative issues and values than anything
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Speaker 2: of it up by the Teagels. After all, Paul and
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Speaker 2: Hansen's been against mass immigration, against net and zero and
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Speaker 2: four national symbols like the flag for the whole time.
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Speaker 3: She's been in public life.
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Speaker 2: Meaning in party terms, yes, Labor's got a massive majority
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Speaker 2: in the Parliament. In terms of the values that voters
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Speaker 2: believe are worth fighting for, in terms of the issues
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Speaker 2: they care about, between the left and the right, things
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Speaker 2: really are neck and neck. And this is where I
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Speaker 2: get so angry with the coalition and with the Liberals
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Speaker 2: in particular. If Liberal MPs were to do the right
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Speaker 2: thing by the party in terms of the values it
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Speaker 2: used to stand for in the past, values that were
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Speaker 2: the mainstay of leaders like Mensies Howard and Abbott, they
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Speaker 2: would be back in the game. But when they don't,
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Speaker 2: when they play foot see with the left, when they
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Speaker 2: try and turn themselves into a party of left leaning
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Speaker 2: liberal elites, as they did when all those bedwetders elected
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Speaker 2: Malcolm turmb and when they jumped on the net zero
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Speaker 2: bandwagon under Morrison, they lose, they lose, and they lose big.
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Speaker 2: And when they lose big, when the Liberals are reduced
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Speaker 2: to a handful of seats in the Parliament and spend
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Speaker 2: most of their time bickering amongst themselves and not doing
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Speaker 2: the hard policy work that must be done to be competitive, Australians,
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Speaker 2: well you are the biggest losers of all because we
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Speaker 2: do not get good government when we have a weak opposition.
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Speaker 2: And by god, I have never seen a weaker, more
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Speaker 2: pathetic opposition than what we have now. Seventeen percent primary
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Speaker 2: vote today, no real policies to speak of, no fight
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Speaker 2: in the dog to take on one of the worst,
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Speaker 2: most hard left governments in our history, led by a
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Speaker 2: weak man who's only made stronger by the Liberal Party's
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Speaker 2: collective lack of performance. If Liberal powers to be what
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Speaker 2: I want to know by so many than our former
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Speaker 2: supporters are angry.
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Speaker 3: This is it.
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Speaker 2: They are not just disappointed with their side, they are furious,
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Speaker 2: and they are jumping ship to one nation because it's
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Speaker 2: about the only option they have left to try and
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Speaker 2: make the clowns that run the circus wake up and listen.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: The next election should be a contest. Given the weaknesses
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Speaker 2: in the Albanesi government. Given the manifest failures of this
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Speaker 2: weak prime minister and his hapless front bench, in all probability,
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Speaker 2: tomorrow there will be a rate rise, with the prospect
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Speaker 2: of two more mortgage rate increases this year. Now, if
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Speaker 2: that happens, over four million Australian households will be thousands
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Speaker 2: of dollars worse off a year. Renters too, they'll be
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Speaker 2: in trouble. And for everyone else, higher inflation means a
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Speaker 2: hit on your power bill, at the bowser and everywhere
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Speaker 2: else where you're buying the essentials of life. The Treasurer
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Speaker 2: fig jam Jim Charmers, well, he can boast all he
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Speaker 2: likes about his economic management, but it's his inflation that's
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Speaker 2: driving up interest rates. And as confirmed by almost every
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Speaker 2: expert in the country, it's government spending this driving inflation
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Speaker 2: up fully two percentage points of GDP under this government.
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Speaker 3: Now, the Prime.
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Speaker 2: Minister's solution to every problems more spending and more bureaucracy.
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Speaker 2: There are currently nearly fifty thousand more public servants in
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Speaker 2: camera under Labor. There's massive new spending on childcare and
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Speaker 2: the NDIS, including handouts to private businesses to fund wage increases,
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Speaker 2: meaning taxpayers are pouring billions into four profit commercial companies,
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Speaker 2: Meaning that more than fifty percent of Australian households are
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Speaker 2: now dependent on the government for the bulk of their income.
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Speaker 2: That's either because they're welfare beneficiaries, government employees are working
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Speaker 2: in subsidy dependent industries. Meanwhile, Labour's green obsessions and union
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Speaker 2: dependency are badly damaging the productive economy, which ultimately has
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Speaker 2: to pay for all of this spending. Here is former
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Speaker 2: Labor Cabinet Minister Jolford Skibbon on this very point.
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Speaker 7: Now have very sticky inflation driven by both cost push
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Speaker 7: and demand pull factors, and of course the crowding out
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Speaker 7: of the market by government spending and the addition it
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Speaker 7: contributes to aggregate demands. And I see in the media
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Speaker 7: today those geniuses in Labour's environment Mental Action Network want
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Speaker 7: to kill the most productive part of the economy, the
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Speaker 7: mining sector, by fit attacking again the diesel fuel rebate.
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Speaker 7: Let's put that idea aside.
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Speaker 2: Don't we all long for the days of sensible labor
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Speaker 2: in charge men like fitsgiven on the labor right. As
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Speaker 2: he rightly says, productivity is flatlining. The near impossibility of
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Speaker 2: getting any new resource projects approved means the inevitable decline
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Speaker 2: of the exports on which our prosperity depends. And because
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Speaker 2: Labour treats fossil fuels like there's some sort of kryptonite,
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Speaker 2: eventually we will lose two of our three biggest exports,
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Speaker 2: colon gas, with no foreseeable replacement. Then there's power prices
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Speaker 2: tip to rise by twenty four percent this year. There's
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Speaker 2: been subsidies to drive the uptake of unreliable renewables, subsidies
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Speaker 2: for coal fire power to keep the lights on because
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Speaker 2: renewables are not there when we need them, and subsidies
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Speaker 2: for consumers you to avert bill shock. Now too, there's
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Speaker 2: yet more subsidies to stop the collapse of all our
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Speaker 2: heavy industries. You can't afford power in this country. Most
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Speaker 2: troubling of all the Albanezer governments using record migration net
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Speaker 2: overseas migration close to one point five million since they
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Speaker 2: were elected to mask its economic ineptitude. More people pumps
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Speaker 2: up our overall GDP, but the figure that counts GDP
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Speaker 2: per person or that has declined in seven of the
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Speaker 2: last eleven quarters, So you and your family are feeling
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Speaker 2: poorer well, that's because you are. That's why, thanks to inflation,
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Speaker 2: interest rate rises, bracker creep, Australians have suffered a five
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Speaker 2: percent fall in real disposable incomes over the past three years,
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Speaker 2: the highest in the OCD. Then there's the rise of
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Speaker 2: radical Islam. Crime is to come and bear to even
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Speaker 2: say the phrase he will say, that's all fixed with
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Speaker 2: the latest round of laws he puts through the Parliament,
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Speaker 2: the so called hate speech laws. Why should the new
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Speaker 2: laws be any more effective than the old ones, given
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Speaker 2: they've never been used against Nazi They've been used against Nazis,
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Speaker 2: but not against the Islamists. But seem to have such
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Speaker 2: a hold on labor governments now I can't remember a
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Speaker 2: worse government. Yet by default it will continue to survive
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Speaker 2: as long as there's no credible alternative as long as
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party stands for nothing, and as those coalitional
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Speaker 2: could be would be maybe coalition in peace are still apart,
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Speaker 2: sit around and ponder their future. This week in Canberra,
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Speaker 2: I want to remind those who might have forgotten that
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Speaker 2: the only time they've done well from opposition is when
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Speaker 2: they have not fallen into the trap of being.
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Speaker 3: A weak echo of labor.
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Speaker 2: Now ask yourself this, are the liberal voters now telling
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Speaker 2: pollsters they're supporting one nation. Are they looking for a
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Speaker 2: teal party, a teal liberal light party as some of
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Speaker 2: you think they are.
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Speaker 3: Well, of course they're not. You only have to.
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Speaker 2: Ask the question to get your answer. They are not
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Speaker 2: turning left Liberals. They are turning right. And whether you
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Speaker 2: agree with her or not, they're looking for the sort
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Speaker 2: of courage and conviction that they see in Paul and Hansen.
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Speaker 3: Now, if the Liberals.
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Speaker 2: Can't summon up that courage and policy soon. If they can't,
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Speaker 2: if they can't sort out their leadership and their coalition status,
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Speaker 2: believe me, they may not be a liberal party left.
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Speaker 2: Tell you what, I am so cranky I can ring
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Speaker 2: a few necks in Canberra right now, let's go there
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Speaker 2: for the headlines. Sky News political reporter cam Reddin.
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Speaker 8: Good evening, a high stakes meeting between Susan Lee and
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Speaker 8: David Little Proud is underway, an attempt to reunite the
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Speaker 8: coalition before Parliament returns.
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Speaker 5: Can we get this marriage back together?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 1: I hope so, Andrew. I think that's in the best
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Speaker 1: interests of the nation.
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Speaker 9: I think the coalition is going to get back together tonight, okay.
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Speaker 4: I'd like to say we go to the next elections
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Speaker 4: as a Liberal party and they go as a National party,
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Speaker 4: then that's okay.
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Speaker 8: The National's leader surviving in attempts by one of his
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Speaker 8: own MPs to remove him.
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Speaker 6: There was a spill motion in the National Party room
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Speaker 6: and it was unsuccessful.
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Speaker 8: His Liberal counterpart is set to be spared a challenge
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Speaker 8: for at least this week. Andrew Hasty has ruled out
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Speaker 8: a leadership bid, but Angus Taylor continues to circle.
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Speaker 5: I don't think anyone should be challenging anything.
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Speaker 9: Really.
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Speaker 3: There is no challenge to the leadership.
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Speaker 8: Opposition drama, much to the Prime Minister's delight.
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Speaker 1: Because you can't fight for Australia if you're obsessed by
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Speaker 1: fighting each other.
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Speaker 8: The Reserve Bank meets tomorrow for its first interest rate
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Speaker 8: decision of twenty twenty six. It's one many economists believe
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Speaker 8: will see the first rate rise in more than two years.
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Speaker 5: My view is we need the RBA to reverse the
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Speaker 5: rate cuts of last year.
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Speaker 6: They were a miss. There's no two ways about it.
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Speaker 8: The RBA will make its decision at two thirty eastern
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Speaker 8: daylight time tomorrow. Cameron Reddin's Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: All right, no question time today. It was the busy
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Speaker 2: start day though. All right new fortnite, sitting fortnite, coming up.
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Speaker 2: They are all coming obviously in from all around the country,
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Speaker 2: but plenty of macnad and going on.
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you.
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Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss it all for the first
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Speaker 2: time in twenty twenty six. Political contributor here at sky,
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Speaker 2: Chris Yelman. Chris will start with that unsuccessful spill motion
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Speaker 2: from Colin Boyce. He might have attempted to move it,
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Speaker 2: but it didn't even have a second in the room.
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Speaker 2: I predicted that last Thursday. But it's just yet another
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Speaker 2: example though going out there and announcing a spill motion,
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Speaker 2: a fight that's gone nowhere, and all that's done is
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Speaker 2: help tank support for the former coalition. We'll get into
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Speaker 2: that shocking poll in a moment, but we've got these
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Speaker 2: talks going on and as we are now on air,
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee, David Little prowd trying to sit down together
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Speaker 2: and remake the broken coalition. If there is a reunion,
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Speaker 2: what does this do to Angus Taylor's chances of taking
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Speaker 2: her on. Hasty is out of the race. Taylor's pitch
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Speaker 2: has been and it's been put to me that I
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Speaker 2: can fix the broken coalition that she's broken now on
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Speaker 2: two occasions. So if she can fix it tonight, will that,
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Speaker 2: say Susan Lee, No, Peter, I.
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Speaker 9: Don't think so. And we've seen this show before. We
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Speaker 9: know where this ends.
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Speaker 6: Right.
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Speaker 9: Susan Lee's leadership is terminal. That's not entirely all her fault.
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Speaker 9: By the way, I do feel sorry for her and
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Speaker 9: never think that she's been given a chance. But if
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Speaker 9: the coalition does get back together again, it's going to
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Speaker 9: have to come with some pretty big guarantees from the
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Speaker 9: National Party. It will have to be an agreement that
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Speaker 9: is written down and written in blood, because you can't
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Speaker 9: have this sort of sixteen year old doing and throwing
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Speaker 9: with relationship that's important as the coalition, And of course
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Speaker 9: they're completely spooked by One Nation and they have every
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Speaker 9: right to be. The next election that's going to test
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Speaker 9: this is in South Australia. I spoke to a Labor
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Speaker 9: Party person today who said that polling in South Australia
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Speaker 9: by the Labor Party puts One Nation ahead of Liberals
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Speaker 9: in many regional seats, so it might go from being
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Speaker 9: polling that we're talking about to the actual change of seats,
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Speaker 9: or at least putting both of those parties in a
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Speaker 9: position where it's all handed to labor.
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Speaker 3: The problem.
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Speaker 2: They've got Jillian in South Australia and New South Wales
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, all three new female leaders in their first
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Speaker 2: term in the parliament, and when voters seeing one nation
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Speaker 2: on the ticket, even at a state election, they are
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Speaker 2: voting for Pauline Hanson and most probably can't pick the
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Speaker 2: opposition Liberal leader in a lineup. And that's one of
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Speaker 2: the things I'll contend with that South Australian election in March,
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Speaker 2: and of course a bit longer for Jess Wilson. But
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Speaker 2: if you look at the numbers there Chris for the
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Speaker 2: Lips today seventeen percent, I mean seventeen percent.
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Speaker 3: I cannot believe that. And you add in the Nats
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Speaker 3: they don't.
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Speaker 2: Even get to twenty do not even get to twenty,
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Speaker 2: and they're all lamenting a terrible election campaign by Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 2: Peter Dutton only got us to thirty one percent primary.
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Speaker 2: It's all Dutton's faults, says this review. We haven't even
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Speaker 2: seen or what do you say when you're down at
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Speaker 2: nineteen Susan.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, this defection we're seeing. Of course it could be
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Speaker 9: just a protest fot that we're seeing the polls, but
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Speaker 9: it will be put to the test, as I say,
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Speaker 9: in South Australia, and we may well see Corey Bernardi
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Speaker 9: join the One Nation cause in the next twenty four hours.
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Speaker 9: I think we'll know before the end of this evening
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Speaker 9: whether or not that's going to be the case. It's
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Speaker 9: a very powerful, very well known voice in South Australia,
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Speaker 9: added to the voice of Barnaby Joyce in New South Wales,
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Speaker 9: Paul Enhanson and Queensland. You know, there's a lot of
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Speaker 9: organization going on, Peter. This is the thing that would
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Speaker 9: worry me and I know is panicking the National Party.
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Speaker 9: One Nation now has money and it clearly also has organization.
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Speaker 9: People are talking to me about their social media campaign
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Speaker 9: which is exceptionally strong.
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Speaker 3: It is being well.
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Speaker 9: Known, clearly following a pattern that they've seen from reform
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Speaker 9: in the UK. We'll see defections and that'll be the
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Speaker 9: next thing, and those defections will come back that so
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Speaker 9: Koibernardi already outside of Parliament but leading the Liberal Party
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Speaker 9: and joining One Nation sends a signal. Then will we
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Speaker 9: see defections from the Liberal or the National parties to
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Speaker 9: one Nation. I bet those talks have already been had
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Speaker 9: and they'll be strung out to make it look like
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Speaker 9: the coalition is bleeding to death. So they need to
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Speaker 9: stop the bleeding. And God knows how they do that,
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Speaker 9: because right now, if you're looking for an image of
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Speaker 9: what this looks like from the outside, I'd say Jamestone
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Speaker 9: Town circa nineteen seventy eight. This looks like a mass
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Speaker 9: suicide attempt by the Liberal and National parties, and they're
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Speaker 9: being very successful at it.
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Speaker 2: The difficulty here when you look at Reform and you
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Speaker 2: look at the previous iterations of Hansen, is that they
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Speaker 2: lack the professional back end. And when I've gone to London,
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Speaker 2: I've spent quite a lot of time with Reform stuff
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Speaker 2: and some of their strategists. I've always been fascinated how
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Speaker 2: they take a protest party and turn it into their
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Speaker 2: successful beast that it is.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: If I've done that, I will guarantee One Nation people
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Speaker 2: have done that.
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Speaker 3: You're right.
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Speaker 2: From what I've seen, I've seen some appointments they've made,
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Speaker 2: and they've created a whole architecture at a state.
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Speaker 3: Level which they haven't had.
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Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things I've always said is
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Speaker 2: let them down is their poor selection of candidates, a
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Speaker 2: lack of strategy of getting the message to market. That
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Speaker 2: is absolutely changing. So talk to me then.
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Speaker 3: If the Liberal.
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Speaker 2: Party is to move to someone like Angus Taylor, they're
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Speaker 2: going to have to get some results pretty quickly, start
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Speaker 2: to claw back some of that vote before what we're
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Speaker 2: seeing now that's starting to hit trend, Chris becomes locked
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Speaker 2: in because it's not that long federally before we have
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Speaker 2: another election.
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Speaker 9: Look, I think that the Liberal Party is going to make
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Speaker 9: a change. They have to make that change now because
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Speaker 9: time is actually running out. And what will be important
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Speaker 9: for Angus Taylor? What are the firs three or four
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Speaker 9: paragraphs that he's going to say to the Australian people
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Speaker 9: when he does take this. And when he does take this,
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Speaker 9: it's now inevitable that at some stage he gets the leadership.
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Speaker 9: What does he say to the Australian people to try
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Speaker 9: and get them back on board with a coalition project
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Speaker 9: when there's almost no faith in it at all, and
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Speaker 9: he's not a great communicator. If I was one of
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Speaker 9: his colleagues talking to him now about the possibility that
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Speaker 9: he might take the leadership. I would want to know
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Speaker 9: what are the policy positions, what anchors us, what defines
20:31
Speaker 9: a coalition that will bring people back first into the
20:34
Speaker 9: fold and then try to attack attract other people. Now
20:37
Speaker 9: people can keep talking to about the Labour Party's poor
20:40
Speaker 9: primary vote, Well, look the way that they're working the
20:42
Speaker 9: two party preferred system. At the moment, there's a fifty
20:47
Speaker 9: member gap in the House of Representatives. That's all that
20:49
Speaker 9: matters in the end between elections is how many members
20:51
Speaker 9: you've got in the House of Representatives. Now, no wonder
20:54
Speaker 9: Anthony Albanizi as cockerhoop. There is no opposition at the moment.
20:58
Speaker 9: He is coasting at a time when he should be suffering.
21:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll just make that point just quickly before
21:05
Speaker 2: we go, because if you look at let's look at
21:08
Speaker 2: Whiting to see anyway, let's look at inflation. Are we
21:11
Speaker 2: paying for people with mortgages to borrow? There's paying for
21:13
Speaker 2: everybody across the board. You've got the Budget watchdog out
21:17
Speaker 2: today saying that they have had a massive blowout in
21:20
Speaker 2: the budget. It is fifty seven billion on from those
21:23
Speaker 2: my ephone numbers, and two thirds of that is because
21:27
Speaker 2: of government spending, but they're under pressure.
21:33
Speaker 5: No.
21:34
Speaker 9: And the other thing too is the government now has
21:35
Speaker 9: actually decided that the Australian people are mugs. Why do
21:39
Speaker 9: we know that, Well, because they said they didn't want
21:40
Speaker 9: a Royal Commission, and then they were forced into one,
21:42
Speaker 9: and then they said they were considering it all along.
21:45
Speaker 9: Why do we know that because they keep saying government
21:47
Speaker 9: spending has got nothing to do with inflation, and yet
21:50
Speaker 9: we look at the largest amount of government spending as
21:52
Speaker 9: a percentage of GDP since the nineteen eighties. They are
21:55
Speaker 9: prepared now to say the opposite of what is true
21:58
Speaker 9: and not be held to account because they have an
22:00
Speaker 9: inept opposition. There is opportunity there, but the people who
22:04
Speaker 9: are taking that opportunity at the moment, well, that's one nation.
22:09
Speaker 2: I'll over there, Chris. Great to have you back from
22:12
Speaker 2: my side of things. I wish there was better things
22:14
Speaker 2: to talk about, but that's where we are tonight. We've
22:16
Speaker 2: got to hold libs. I'm going to do it. We
22:19
Speaker 2: have to hold the government to account here on Sky News.
22:21
Speaker 2: Thank you, see you next week. Let's go to that pole.
22:25
Speaker 2: It's the Red Bridge Pole and this shows that since
22:28
Speaker 2: December there's been combined support for the Libs and the
22:31
Speaker 2: Nationals has fallen from twenty six percent to now nineteen percent,
22:36
Speaker 2: seventeen for the Libs, two for the Nets. Will combine
22:38
Speaker 2: that for the purposes of this conversation. One Nation, though,
22:41
Speaker 2: has had an upward trend increase nine percent boost from
22:45
Speaker 2: December to today's record high of twenty six percent. Joining
22:49
Speaker 2: me now the man who pulls the pole together a
22:52
Speaker 2: Red Bridge Group director Poster cosed Samaris cous Thank you.
22:56
Speaker 2: Let's get into some of the detail. I'm keen to know.
23:00
Speaker 2: And no poles every uniform as you and I know.
23:02
Speaker 2: But how are these results playing out state by state?
23:05
Speaker 2: And when you're speaking with voters, when you're talking to
23:08
Speaker 2: people out there, what are the primary issues that are
23:12
Speaker 2: driving their vote choice?
23:14
Speaker 6: Yeah, want to sum up the mood of the country
23:17
Speaker 6: is that most voters are sick to death of the
23:18
Speaker 6: two party system. Now for the Conservative side, they've got
23:23
Speaker 6: an option, they've gotten an outlay to express their frustration
23:29
Speaker 6: and actually probably in a permanent way, move away from
23:32
Speaker 6: that two party system. And it's one nation. So it's
23:35
Speaker 6: most profound in Queensland. There is strong support for one
23:39
Speaker 6: Nation in New South Wales and I wouldn't rule out
23:42
Speaker 6: the same applying in Victoria. So it's the three big
23:46
Speaker 6: states where we're seeing a lot of movement going on. Now.
23:50
Speaker 6: The flip side on the left side of politics is
23:53
Speaker 6: that that frustration is there, but they just don't think
23:55
Speaker 6: the Greens of the option, but they're not prepared to
23:59
Speaker 6: vote conservative. So we're dealing with a very unhappy country
24:03
Speaker 6: at the moment.
24:06
Speaker 2: When you look at some of the demographics, what struck
24:09
Speaker 2: me the most in the pole was basically, how angry
24:12
Speaker 2: my generation Gen X are, you know, coming out still
24:17
Speaker 2: probably got a mortgage, perhaps, still got kids in the
24:19
Speaker 2: education system in some way. No, they'll never get a pension. No,
24:24
Speaker 2: their soup is probably not going to cover things. But
24:26
Speaker 2: they're not in the position of the boomers are, where
24:28
Speaker 2: they've had this massive increase in say their housing stock
24:32
Speaker 2: as they've gone along, and they don't have the old
24:35
Speaker 2: superannuation pools sitting there and probably have gone through divorce
24:39
Speaker 2: where their incomes have been halved and somewhere along the.
24:42
Speaker 3: Line they've had to start again.
24:43
Speaker 2: I thought that was really interesting, and that used to
24:46
Speaker 2: be the mainstay population group, you know, that age group.
24:51
Speaker 2: Once you hit sort of forty five and beyond where
24:53
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party would dress some of the numbers they
24:56
Speaker 2: used to lose with younger people. What else struck you
25:00
Speaker 2: in that generational split?
25:02
Speaker 6: Yeah, look, it's as you said, it's Generation X. The
25:06
Speaker 6: support for the Coalition within gen X, which is one
25:10
Speaker 6: generation as well, is abysmal. It is single digits. For
25:15
Speaker 6: the Liberal Party on its own, it's barely breaks double digits.
25:20
Speaker 6: One Nation is the largest party for Gen X in
25:23
Speaker 6: this country right now, it's thirty five percent.
25:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so they're conservative.
25:27
Speaker 2: You know, they're still conservative because they haven't flipped. They're
25:31
Speaker 2: still following that old track that you and I have
25:33
Speaker 2: known for many decades. It's just they don't want the Libs,
25:36
Speaker 2: don't want a bar of them.
25:37
Speaker 6: But it's classic gen X too, right, So they are
25:39
Speaker 6: anti establishment to a certain extent. And so their response
25:44
Speaker 6: to these is most of them are non university educated,
25:48
Speaker 6: working class conservatives, the sort of voters will see flocking
25:52
Speaker 6: to Reform, to Trump, to other conservative parties in Europe.
25:58
Speaker 6: They have lived the life where they've worked long hours,
26:03
Speaker 6: they've worked hard, and they've experienced a substantial decline in
26:07
Speaker 6: living standards, particularly in their forties, but they were also
26:11
Speaker 6: in their thirties and forties, so in their thirties Howard's battlers.
26:16
Speaker 6: I mean they were the group that voted for Howard
26:20
Speaker 6: in significant numbers in key seats. They are now gone,
26:25
Speaker 6: and we find these individuals are the most Look, the
26:30
Speaker 6: termoile use is they are one nation's praetroring guard. They
26:34
Speaker 6: are absolutely determined to send a signal to camera.
26:40
Speaker 2: I want to ask you too about immigration, because this
26:42
Speaker 2: is where obviously Hanson has a long and consistent history.
26:46
Speaker 2: Thirty four percent of those polled they best trust one
26:50
Speaker 2: nation to handle the issue labor sixteen, the coalition seventeen,
26:54
Speaker 2: I mean the coalition is stopped. The votes under Howard
26:56
Speaker 2: under Abbot. Can't believe the down to seventeen percent. A
27:00
Speaker 2: lot of people might say, you know, I don't like
27:02
Speaker 2: Pauline and I don't agree with everything she's got to say,
27:05
Speaker 2: but they know where they stand on this issue, and
27:08
Speaker 2: she says not just that the numbers are too high,
27:10
Speaker 2: she also says the people who we are bringing here
27:14
Speaker 2: are the wrong people if they don't share our values,
27:16
Speaker 2: Meaning this issue is now as much about culture as
27:23
Speaker 2: it is about economics.
27:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, look and it's cutting through particular groups within gen. Next,
27:28
Speaker 6: let's go back to that generation that most people in
27:33
Speaker 6: the media and the political commentary wouldn't expect, and that
27:35
Speaker 6: is second generation migrants within my social circle, Greek migrant parents.
27:42
Speaker 6: We're all born here. Most of the people I see
27:46
Speaker 6: that I grew up with voting for Paulin Jnsen, and
27:50
Speaker 6: immigration is one of them and their Greek, or their
27:52
Speaker 6: Italian or their Croatian. So it's an issue, and it's
27:56
Speaker 6: I think it's as you rightly point out, it's about cold,
28:00
Speaker 6: it's about identity, and even that identity is also threatened
28:04
Speaker 6: for them. So it's not only just about their economic situation.
28:07
Speaker 6: They feel threatened by many things that are changing their
28:09
Speaker 6: lives and they're not happy. They're really it's an incredibly
28:13
Speaker 6: unhappy cobl.
28:16
Speaker 2: A Kackahoo prime minister and rightly so. Ninety three seats
28:20
Speaker 2: in the Parliament has a pretty high unfavorability and Hanson
28:26
Speaker 2: actually is ahead four points on the prime minister in
28:29
Speaker 2: terms of most popular leader. I have to say the Limbs,
28:35
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's over about sixteen percent. That's Andrew Hasty,
28:38
Speaker 2: Susan's ten her unfavorability is huge, but you know, the
28:43
Speaker 2: Prime Minister likes to think he's teflon coated. You make
28:47
Speaker 2: the point here's people don't have anyone else to vote
28:49
Speaker 2: for yet, but he's not loved out there, no.
28:54
Speaker 6: We like to label that particular part of our poll
28:58
Speaker 6: is the race to the bottom. You know, who's the
29:01
Speaker 6: least unpopular and that's really the contest here. And Australians
29:06
Speaker 6: generally don't like their politicians at the moment, and it's
29:09
Speaker 6: been a long time since they have and I think
29:12
Speaker 6: it's increasingly now become evident. You know that they've had
29:14
Speaker 6: the pandemic inflationary crisis, they thought it was over and
29:19
Speaker 6: it's back again. And which group is getting absolutely slammed
29:23
Speaker 6: to the deck. It's gen X. So they've got adult
29:25
Speaker 6: children that are struggling in life with housing. They have
29:30
Speaker 6: aged parents who are going through age care or are
29:34
Speaker 6: reaching that stage in their life, and they're having to
29:37
Speaker 6: not only balance the needs of those two parts of
29:39
Speaker 6: their family, but themselves as well. They're still sitting on
29:42
Speaker 6: massive mortgages. They're not going to pay them off well
29:44
Speaker 6: into their sixties. So it's a pretty grim proposition for
29:50
Speaker 6: the coalition. To try to win these people back, because
29:53
Speaker 6: I don't see any evidence they can.
29:56
Speaker 2: Well, my only hope is gen X, we're the last generation,
29:59
Speaker 2: you and I. They had a decent education system. We
30:02
Speaker 2: can't be brought off with HEXTEP funding and we can't
30:04
Speaker 2: be sold a pup on social media. So hopefully that
30:08
Speaker 2: good education system means that when they put out their
30:11
Speaker 2: numbers and they've got their tax policies and they're talking
30:13
Speaker 2: about the budget, we can all add up and we'll
30:16
Speaker 2: hold both sides to account. I'll leave it there, thank you,
30:19
Speaker 2: Thank you. Of course, got a terrible reading, isn't it
30:22
Speaker 2: that pole?
30:22
Speaker 3: Well? Bad for labor too.
30:24
Speaker 2: A lot of other people won't be telling you that
30:26
Speaker 2: won't pull out those numbers like we have.
30:28
Speaker 3: But yes, it's bad for them all.
30:30
Speaker 2: Right after the break the die warning that our fragmented
30:32
Speaker 2: border is letting me astraya vulnerable to another terror attack.
30:36
Speaker 2: Last police are now examining where the father and aren't
30:39
Speaker 2: accused of carrying out the Bond Eye terror attack have
30:42
Speaker 2: traveled overseas and red flags why weren't they raised earlier?
30:53
Speaker 3: Welk go back.
30:54
Speaker 2: Two years after passing gender conversion therapy laws, the Victorian
30:57
Speaker 2: Labor government. Well, they've missed their own legislated deadline by
31:02
Speaker 2: two years for an independent review that's coming up in
31:05
Speaker 2: a moment. The first On Friday, the former Border Force
31:08
Speaker 2: Commissioner Michael Lotram, through the A and U National Security College,
31:13
Speaker 2: released a landmark study calling for urgent reform to what
31:16
Speaker 2: he termed the fragmented border, leaving Australia exposed to terror.
31:22
Speaker 2: Otram pointed out to the booming illicit tobacco trade and
31:25
Speaker 2: the Bondai terror attack. There's two recent examples where border
31:29
Speaker 2: management remains, as he says, fragmented, paper based and siloed.
31:34
Speaker 2: And his warning comes at the same time as official
31:37
Speaker 2: start the massive job ahead of the Brisbane Olympic Games,
31:41
Speaker 2: which will see a huge influx of overseas arrivals, they
31:45
Speaker 2: begin the big job.
31:46
Speaker 3: For border protection.
31:47
Speaker 2: Joining me now to discuss this and more, former Australian
31:50
Speaker 2: Federal Police Detective Superintendent David Craig. David, thank you for
31:54
Speaker 2: your time. I want to get into some new news
31:57
Speaker 2: today new avenues of investor go in relation to Bondai.
32:01
Speaker 2: But first, what did you make of Michael Lotram's assessment
32:06
Speaker 2: on the nature of our border and his calls for
32:09
Speaker 2: a national border strategy.
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Speaker 5: Peter, I think it's it's very Meritus, and he's right
32:18
Speaker 5: with the timing. We don't have a lot of time.
32:20
Speaker 5: We do have a fractured border at the moment, we
32:22
Speaker 5: have done for years and it needs to be improved.
32:25
Speaker 5: You know, you can look at terrorism as a security issue,
32:27
Speaker 5: you can look at elicit tobaccour as a tax issue,
32:30
Speaker 5: I think a biosecurity passenger movement, and all these different
32:33
Speaker 5: agencies have got different interests and they all manage different
32:36
Speaker 5: sections of the border with their own interests at heart, understandably,
32:40
Speaker 5: and no one has a strategic picture over the entire
32:44
Speaker 5: threat environment at our border, which I think is appalling.
32:48
Speaker 5: And that's what our TRAM is really calling out here,
32:49
Speaker 5: and I think it's very We do need a national
32:52
Speaker 5: border strategy, and.
32:56
Speaker 2: Not to say anything about guns and guns as we
33:00
Speaker 2: know guns and then all the equipment to make three
33:03
Speaker 2: D printed guns, and then all the chemicals that make
33:06
Speaker 2: the drugs that are sold to kids at dance festivals,
33:09
Speaker 2: all of that's got to be included in this.
33:12
Speaker 3: That's also of a concern.
33:15
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, Pet. With this leakage at the border,
33:18
Speaker 5: that Autrum's talking about the States are wearing this as
33:22
Speaker 5: law enforcement and medical issue because our borders are so porous.
33:27
Speaker 5: I mean, it's quite astounding that he would actually say
33:30
Speaker 5: public anyway, but that twenty years ago we were scanning
33:33
Speaker 5: seven percent of our containers coming into the country and
33:36
Speaker 5: now we're down to one percent. While there's been obviously
33:39
Speaker 5: an increase in cargo over the last twenty years, but
33:42
Speaker 5: so is technology has vastly increased. So we are very vulnerable.
33:46
Speaker 5: And I think he's right on the money. If we
33:48
Speaker 5: need a cohesive strategic oversight committee, if you like to
33:53
Speaker 5: pull the whole picture together, particularly coming up to the
33:55
Speaker 5: Olympics when movement of people and illicit drugs is going
33:58
Speaker 5: to rapidly escalate.
34:02
Speaker 2: Yeah, all those years ago when the Sydney Games were on,
34:04
Speaker 2: I was working in the immigration portfolio, and ahead of
34:07
Speaker 2: those games it was a huge issue the number of
34:10
Speaker 2: people who would come in, who they were, the risk
34:13
Speaker 2: of overstaying, and obviously different times, but in these times,
34:18
Speaker 2: concern about mass terror events and other things as well.
34:22
Speaker 2: Let's go to the Bondai terror attack. There is now
34:26
Speaker 2: a serious investigation by police regarding the travel overseas of
34:31
Speaker 2: the father and the son accused of the massacre across
34:34
Speaker 2: parts of Asia we know, but also communications that they
34:37
Speaker 2: might might have had with people in that region we know.
34:42
Speaker 2: Of course, there was father and the son's four week
34:45
Speaker 2: journey to the Philippines in November last year. The Daily
34:50
Speaker 2: Telegraph reports today the police believed they were increasingly radicalized
34:55
Speaker 2: in the six months prior to Bondai. We know that
34:58
Speaker 2: the Sun had earlier been on a watch list or
35:01
Speaker 2: certainly been investigated as part of a cell when he
35:05
Speaker 2: was younger. Why do we not get red flags in
35:09
Speaker 2: relation to this travel.
35:12
Speaker 5: I don't think there's an adequate answer, Peter to that,
35:15
Speaker 5: because I mean the fact that he had been flagged
35:17
Speaker 5: as an issue the son I'm talking about, not the father,
35:20
Speaker 5: but anytime he was leading the country, it should have
35:24
Speaker 5: raised red flags as to where he's going. But also
35:26
Speaker 5: you know when he's coming back, what's he bringing them
35:29
Speaker 5: back on board. It seems that these two have been
35:31
Speaker 5: able to walk in and out of the country with
35:33
Speaker 5: impunity at a time where we've had raised terror concerns
35:37
Speaker 5: the whole time. I don't know why there wasn't a
35:40
Speaker 5: raised pace alert or an alert system in place for
35:43
Speaker 5: at least the sum. It would have given us some
35:45
Speaker 5: heads up. I mean, that's a trip why that we missed?
35:47
Speaker 5: For sure?
35:50
Speaker 2: A lot of focus on law enforcement personnel and officials
35:54
Speaker 2: in the intelligence agencies. The opposition says it's one thing
35:58
Speaker 2: to look at them about we look at the resourcing
36:01
Speaker 2: of these agencies and the restructuring that happened under Labor.
36:05
Speaker 2: This they say should be part of the Royal Commission.
36:08
Speaker 2: The concerns are a range of things. I know we've
36:10
Speaker 2: talked about it on this show. The fact that NSC,
36:13
Speaker 2: the National Security Committee of Cabinet removed under the Prime
36:17
Speaker 2: Minister's request, remove the head of AZO, remove the head
36:20
Speaker 2: of the AFP.
36:21
Speaker 3: They blatedtly went back in.
36:23
Speaker 2: But we learned today that that some of the Home
36:26
Speaker 2: Affairs Liaison officers were shuffled around. They went from the
36:29
Speaker 2: security wing in the Home Affairs Portfolio across to the
36:34
Speaker 2: AG's area and they were given KPIs diversity KPIs if
36:40
Speaker 2: I can call them. That their job was to support
36:42
Speaker 2: migrant communities, to make them feel included, when under previous
36:48
Speaker 2: regimes they had a wholly different role. Do you think
36:52
Speaker 2: resourcing has got to be on the table and the
36:54
Speaker 2: restructures and all the other things that might have happened
36:58
Speaker 2: to help contribute to the circumstances of last year.
37:04
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, Peter, like this into department or sorry,
37:07
Speaker 5: these agencies being pulled in and out of departments separately,
37:11
Speaker 5: you know, with you know, the AFP being moved out
37:13
Speaker 5: in twenty two and then AZO out in twenty four,
37:16
Speaker 5: and then they're both back in in twenty five after
37:18
Speaker 5: a panic response to the dual caravan incident that shows
37:24
Speaker 5: that the model wasn't working. And in addition to that,
37:27
Speaker 5: the liaison officers are now more like a part of
37:30
Speaker 5: the party and festival committee in the community rather than
37:33
Speaker 5: being a true liaison area that can identify community grievances,
37:39
Speaker 5: not just radicalization, but community grievances and feed that up
37:42
Speaker 5: the chain so that we have a better finger on
37:44
Speaker 5: the pulse with what's happening in the community, to identify
37:48
Speaker 5: risks before they happen. The way it is at the moment,
37:50
Speaker 5: it's a party, and it's just a reaction in a
37:52
Speaker 5: panicked way when something goes wrong, and inevitably.
37:55
Speaker 10: It has.
37:58
Speaker 3: All this batter is.
37:59
Speaker 2: Honestly, you and I both know all of this absolutely
38:01
Speaker 2: matters let's see what happens with the terms of reference.
38:05
Speaker 2: Thank you for your tome all right after the great
38:07
Speaker 2: Victorian Government's controversial conversion therapy laws in the headlines again today,
38:12
Speaker 2: experts warning vulnerable kids could be left without adequate care
38:16
Speaker 2: and that review two years late at Snicks.
38:25
Speaker 3: Look about coming up.
38:26
Speaker 2: A secret report suggests Labour's ten billion dollar Housing Australia
38:29
Speaker 2: Future Fund was rushed, high risk and beset with failures.
38:34
Speaker 2: But now our revelations the Victorian government has missed its
38:37
Speaker 2: own legislative deadline to commission an independent review of their
38:41
Speaker 2: highly controversial conversion therapy laws, and they've missed the deadline
38:46
Speaker 2: by more than two years. It comes despite widespread concern
38:49
Speaker 2: about the willingness of medical professionals to treat vulnerable children
38:53
Speaker 2: who may be questioning their identity. Doctor Jillian Spencer as
38:57
Speaker 2: a child psychiatrist and an outspoken, outspoken advocate against transgender activism,
39:04
Speaker 2: and she joins me, now, Julian, thank you for your time.
39:06
Speaker 2: Always great to have you on the show. Really disturbing
39:11
Speaker 2: comments and that piece that the investigative piece today by
39:14
Speaker 2: journalist Rachel Baxendale that medical professionals working in gender medicine
39:18
Speaker 2: who offer anything other than the affirming care model could
39:23
Speaker 2: potentially be committing an act of quote conversion therapy. I mean,
39:28
Speaker 2: what happened to the oath face swear as doctors first
39:32
Speaker 2: do no harm?
39:36
Speaker 10: That oath is not being respected and hidden behind the
39:40
Speaker 10: bright rainbow colors and the pride celebrations is the truth,
39:44
Speaker 10: which is that children are being harmed by the government's
39:47
Speaker 10: conversion therapy legislation because it's depriving them of access to
39:51
Speaker 10: good therapists and leaving them at the mercy of the
39:55
Speaker 10: gender affirming therapists who are among some of the least
39:58
Speaker 10: skilled in our profession. And that's because gender affirming therapy
40:03
Speaker 10: is a cookie cutter approach that really doesn't require much expertise.
40:07
Speaker 10: All you do is assume the child is naturally trans
40:10
Speaker 10: and you use their preferred name and pronoun and tell
40:13
Speaker 10: the parents in school to do that too, and you
40:16
Speaker 10: can refer them off for pivoty blockers and cross sex
40:18
Speaker 10: hormones and that if you encounter any resistance, then you
40:21
Speaker 10: can use the suicide myth to frighten parents into affirming
40:25
Speaker 10: their child. But really what the child needs is a
40:28
Speaker 10: therapist that's skilled enough to help the child to think
40:32
Speaker 10: more broadly about themselves and about the issues they're facing
40:35
Speaker 10: in their life, and not assume that they're naturally trans.
40:41
Speaker 2: I'll come back to the suicide comment in a moment,
40:44
Speaker 2: but the AMA and the Royal Australia New Zealand College
40:47
Speaker 2: of Psychiatrists, they are concerned about this law. And from
40:54
Speaker 2: my reading of the Rachel Baxindar story in The Australian today,
40:57
Speaker 2: the concern is, as you rightly point out, therapists and
41:01
Speaker 2: psychiatrists and doctors who would offer a bespoke sort of
41:05
Speaker 2: assessment of the child and come with a range of
41:08
Speaker 2: things to deal with their identity crisis. They don't want
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Speaker 2: to bar of it. They're scared of being prosecuted. They're
41:14
Speaker 2: not working in that sector anymore. So if your child
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Speaker 2: presents with these sorts of symptoms and you take them
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Speaker 2: through the medical system, you're only ever going to get
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Speaker 2: the doctor type who signs them up potentially for surgery
41:28
Speaker 2: and many other life changing things, because they're themselves signed
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Speaker 2: on to rainbow therapy exactly.
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Speaker 10: The good doctors and the good therapists walked away years ago.
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Speaker 10: And every week I get contacted by parents looking for
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Speaker 10: a clinician to see their child, to take an exploratory approach.
41:49
Speaker 10: And actually I even get contacted by psychiatrist's colleagues who
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Speaker 10: have kept silent on this issue for years, but when
41:55
Speaker 10: it comes to a child that they love being affected,
41:58
Speaker 10: they come to me because they realize that the child
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Speaker 10: that they love is at risk of being given interventions
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Speaker 10: that may permanently damage their physical health, their fertility and
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Speaker 10: sexual functioning. And these parents that contact me, they're desperate,
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Speaker 10: they're scared, and they feel like they've got nowhere to
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Speaker 10: turn because across Australia there's only a handful of clinicians
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Speaker 10: who see children and bravely take an exploratory approach, and
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Speaker 10: so mostly their books are full.
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Speaker 2: Jillian Spencer, more strength to your armity. What we love
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Speaker 2: you having you on the program. Thank you for your bravery,
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Speaker 2: right arkle of break. James Ashby and Nick Cater and
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Speaker 2: not just the One Nation.
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Speaker 3: Polls, but a whole lot of other issues. Will talk
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Speaker 3: to them soon.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back joining me now my panel, spare everyone watching
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Speaker 2: those numbers again. Will get straight into the detail with
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Speaker 2: James Ashby, One Nation Chief of Staff and seeing a
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Speaker 2: fellow of the Mensies research center, Nick Cater, although you
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Speaker 2: would be very happy with those numbers, James, I was
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Speaker 2: talking with Chris y Woman at the top of the show,
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Speaker 2: speaking Nick to cost samar As the pollster as well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, clearly, I think one of the things in
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Speaker 2: the past that's held a party back is a lack
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Speaker 2: of professionalism and candidate choices. Now, clearly you can't be
43:19
Speaker 2: surging into twenty six on primary now without a really
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Speaker 2: boosted back end. What's been the key do you think
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Speaker 2: to your success other than yes, Pauline's on message and
43:30
Speaker 2: you picked up Barnaby Joyce, but the back of the
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Speaker 2: operations clearly got differences.
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Speaker 11: Look, you're right, it's taken a long time for us
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Speaker 11: to get to this standard. I earned this head of
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Speaker 11: gray hair, Peter for a reason. We've had troubling times,
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Speaker 11: but we've also had good time. So I've stopped briefing
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Speaker 11: my hair out these days. And yes, there is a
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Speaker 11: level of professionalism now that two of the major parties
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Speaker 11: wish they had. I know we've had previous Liberal employed
43:57
Speaker 11: staff come through our offices of recent for job views
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Speaker 11: and have all said we're just mesmerized by the tech
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Speaker 11: and the standard that one nation have now set and
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Speaker 11: it's evident when anyone ever comes through our office. So
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Speaker 11: you're right to suggest that we had to lift that professionalism.
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Speaker 11: And I think for anyone who wants to underestimate us
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Speaker 11: ahead of this twenty twenty eight election, you're in for
44:18
Speaker 11: a big surprise.
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Speaker 2: Kata, What do you say to those moderate Liberals are
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Speaker 2: saying that we've got to go left.
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Speaker 3: We've got to go left.
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Speaker 2: We've got to contend with the view that the cultural
44:29
Speaker 2: change in Australia, the electorate's different. You don't understand that
44:32
Speaker 2: the electorate doesn't want Conservatives. This surge to one nation
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Speaker 2: tells you something very different than that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean James has just made a good point.
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Speaker 1: I mean we underestimate one nation at our peril, and
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Speaker 1: yet the party has been doing that. It was apparent
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Speaker 1: after twenty two election when Scott Morrison lost about six
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Speaker 1: percent of the labor of the Liberal primary vote. It
44:56
Speaker 1: was quite apparent then where that was going. It was
44:59
Speaker 1: going to One Nation that time, also to Clyde Palmer's party.
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Speaker 1: But this was basically people sent to right voters who
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Speaker 1: wanted nothing of this. And this idea that we should
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Speaker 1: move to the left is ridiculous. I mean, the fact
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Speaker 1: that one nation is getting votes off both Labor and
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Speaker 1: the Conservatives shows to me that they are very much
45:19
Speaker 1: in the middle of Australian politics. So that's where the
45:22
Speaker 1: party needs to move to and to get to those concerns,
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Speaker 1: particularly on immigration after Bondi, which seems to me the
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Speaker 1: parliamentary Liberal Party is very reluctant to talk about, let
45:34
Speaker 1: alone come out with a strong position.
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Speaker 2: On Pauline's now picking up the Howard Battler's and the
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Speaker 2: Abbot Army and all those people that traditionally have supported
45:46
Speaker 2: the conservative side of the Liberal Party, and that is
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Speaker 2: the only reason they leave opposition and end up in government.
45:52
Speaker 2: He James, what are going to announce that Corey's coming
45:56
Speaker 2: in your team? Because you've got the March South Australian election.
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Speaker 2: Clearly that's imminent.
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Speaker 11: One more sleep, Peter. All secrets will be revealed tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Don't do the down to the seven vals. I'm not stupid.
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Speaker 2: I can read this like an You're in Adelaide too,
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Speaker 2: I'm not stupid. I know exactly what's going on. We
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Speaker 2: will look forward to that announcement tomorrow. Hey, Foi, Data
46:19
Speaker 2: and Nick, we have real issues with foreign owned housing
46:24
Speaker 2: staying late vacant. We were supposed to have all of
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Speaker 2: these rules around disclosure and a vacancy tax, but clearly
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Speaker 2: a labor can't even work this one out.
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Speaker 1: No, no it can't. I mean labor. Labor doesn't really
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Speaker 1: have a policy on anything anymore, Peter. It just makes announcements.
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Speaker 1: There's no policy thought goes into it at all, none
46:46
Speaker 1: of the hard work of policy development that you and
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Speaker 1: I know is difficult and takes a long time if
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Speaker 1: you want it to work, If you just want to
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Speaker 1: make the announcement, you know, have some sort of flash
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Speaker 1: announcement so everybody goes wow, and then you're not interested
46:59
Speaker 1: in whether it.
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Speaker 6: Works or not.
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Speaker 1: And sure you do things labor way, but this is
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Speaker 1: the way they're tackling almost everything. It's frightening. There is
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Speaker 1: no serious policy development in Canbra has certainly not on
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Speaker 1: the government side, and I think not nearly enough of
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Speaker 1: it on the coalition side.
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Speaker 2: Either, gentlemen, I look forward to this announcement tomorrow, James.
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Speaker 3: Good to see you. Thank you. Nick Kata.
47:23
Speaker 2: All right, I've just got to say this, So Sports
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Speaker 2: Minister Anka Wells in trouble, as you know, for all
47:28
Speaker 2: the things she went to. She's barely done the thing
47:31
Speaker 2: over the summer, no tennis, no cricket, clearly or entitlement,
47:35
Speaker 2: so spooped her and her colleagues all over there. Big
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Speaker 2: Fortnite in Canberra is Andrew