Latest / Wired To Hunt Podcast / Ep. 808: Foundations - How to Color Way Outside of the Lines to Kill Big Bucks
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundations podcast, your guide
- 0:05Speaker 1: to the fundamentals of better deer hunting, presented by first Light,
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- 0:14Speaker 1: First Light, Go Farther, Stay Longer, and now your host
- 0:19Speaker 1: Tony Peterson.
- 0:20Speaker 2: Hey, everyone, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Foundation's podcast,
- 0:23Speaker 2: which is brought to you by first Light. I'm your host,
- 0:24Speaker 2: Tony Peterson, and today's episode is all about trying to
- 0:27Speaker 2: figure out what your hunting competition is doing and then
- 0:30Speaker 2: to do something totally different from them. I really believe
- 0:39Speaker 2: that one of the things that public land hunting does
- 0:41Speaker 2: for a fellow teaches him how everyone else hunts. You know,
- 0:45Speaker 2: where the stands are going to be, where the cameras are,
- 0:47Speaker 2: where people park, It's all on display if you look around.
- 0:50Speaker 2: It's a valuable lesson into how you might want to
- 0:53Speaker 2: do things differently. This isn't just a public land thing, though,
- 0:56Speaker 2: it applies to private land hunts as well, and actually
- 0:59Speaker 2: might be a little more relevant to that crowd because
- 1:01Speaker 2: they might be less likely to understand why this is important.
- 1:04Speaker 2: I honestly think what I'm going to talk about now
- 1:06Speaker 2: is one of the keys to being a really successful
- 1:08Speaker 2: white tail hunter no matter where you live, and it
- 1:11Speaker 2: doesn't get a whole lot of love from the hunting media.
- 1:13Speaker 2: But I think that's unfortunate. And you're about to hear
- 1:15Speaker 2: why right now. Have you ever heard of a guy
- 1:25Speaker 2: named Ignas Semelweiss? Probably not. He was a Hungarian doctor
- 1:31Speaker 2: who worked at the Vienna General Hospital for a handful
- 1:34Speaker 2: of years back in the mid eighteen hundreds. The thing
- 1:37Speaker 2: about that hospital was that it was not only a
- 1:39Speaker 2: fully functioning medical facility, it was also an institution designed
- 1:44Speaker 2: for teaching. Its maternity wing was so large that there
- 1:49Speaker 2: was a wing designated for doctors and their students and
- 1:52Speaker 2: one for midwives and students. Maternal mortality at birth for
- 1:57Speaker 2: the midwives wards was thirty six per every thousand, meaning
- 2:02Speaker 2: about three and a half percent of the mothers who
- 2:04Speaker 2: gave birth there didn't survive the process. But in the
- 2:07Speaker 2: doctor's ward the mortality rate was just a shade under
- 2:11Speaker 2: ten percent, with nearly one hundred women dying for every thousand.
- 2:16Speaker 2: At the time, they simply referred to this as child
- 2:19Speaker 2: bed fever, which was also actually just streptococcal infection, and
- 2:25Speaker 2: it was accepted as how the whole thing was just
- 2:27Speaker 2: meant to go down, But the difference between midwives handling
- 2:31Speaker 2: the birth and doctors was stark, and Semelweis wanted to
- 2:34Speaker 2: figure out why. His first idea was to look at
- 2:39Speaker 2: what was different between the wards, and one thing he
- 2:41Speaker 2: noticed was that in the doctor's ward a priest regularly
- 2:45Speaker 2: walked through and rang a bell as a last sacrament
- 2:48Speaker 2: to dying mothers. He thought, maybe the ringing of that
- 2:52Speaker 2: bell caused some type of psychological response in the mother's which, well,
- 2:56Speaker 2: it probably, no doubt did. Hearing it often, he thought,
- 3:00Speaker 2: would leave a mental scar, you know, because they knew
- 3:03Speaker 2: the reason why they were hearing it. You know, it
- 3:05Speaker 2: was because other mothers just like them weren't going to
- 3:09Speaker 2: survive the very thing they were undertaking. But that wasn't it.
- 3:14Speaker 2: Some of us asked the priest to take a different
- 3:16Speaker 2: route and change up his strategy to see if his
- 3:18Speaker 2: absence would make a difference in the mortality rate, and
- 3:21Speaker 2: it didn't work. It wasn't until eighteen forty seven that
- 3:25Speaker 2: one of his colleagues slipped up during an autopsy and
- 3:28Speaker 2: ran a scalpel into his finger that a new idea
- 3:32Speaker 2: entered the arena a new way of thinking. If you will,
- 3:35Speaker 2: you see that doctor developed an infection which was not
- 3:38Speaker 2: totally dissimilar to the infections that seemed to kill quite
- 3:42Speaker 2: a few mothers with a high level of frequency in
- 3:44Speaker 2: the doctor's ward. Now, at this point in history, a
- 3:48Speaker 2: few folks had proposed basic germ theory, starting way back
- 3:52Speaker 2: in the fifteen hundreds and a few times throughout the
- 3:55Speaker 2: seventeen hundreds, but they were not met with positive responses
- 3:58Speaker 2: because it wasn't backed up by a lot of science,
- 4:01Speaker 2: and more importantly, just flew against the traditional ways of thinking.
- 4:05Speaker 2: It wouldn't be until after some of us figured something
- 4:09Speaker 2: extraordinary out that Pasteur and a few other folks would
- 4:12Speaker 2: really get to the bottom of the situation. But before that,
- 4:16Speaker 2: some of us thought that maybe the cause for the
- 4:19Speaker 2: difference in mortality between the two wards was that the
- 4:22Speaker 2: midwives never performed autopsies, but the doctors did, and they
- 4:26Speaker 2: were often elbowed deep in corpses and then went right
- 4:30Speaker 2: to the delivery room. Now that's appalling today, but at
- 4:34Speaker 2: the time it was standard practice. He started mandating that
- 4:38Speaker 2: doctors washed their hands real well with chlorinated lime after
- 4:42Speaker 2: performing autopsies, and in the following decade, that mortality rate
- 4:47Speaker 2: dropped to nearly the exact same level as the midwives ward. Now,
- 4:51Speaker 2: a lot of this is up for debate, but it
- 4:54Speaker 2: seems pretty likely that he lobbied other hospitals to try
- 4:57Speaker 2: the same hand washing methods. But a lot of doctors
- 5:00Speaker 2: weren't super receptive to the idea that they were responsible
- 5:03Speaker 2: for killing a hell of a lot of women during childbirth.
- 5:06Speaker 2: And Semmelweis wasn't right about everything, but he was the
- 5:09Speaker 2: first person to question doctor hygiene and its relationship to
- 5:12Speaker 2: patient health. He looked at a problem, tried to suss
- 5:16Speaker 2: out what was causing it, and then found a solution.
- 5:19Speaker 2: Even if he didn't fully understand what he was doing,
- 5:22Speaker 2: he thought about something in a different way. And if
- 5:24Speaker 2: you look at the history of humans, it's the times
- 5:28Speaker 2: of forced or voluntary group think on a large scale
- 5:31Speaker 2: that really held us back. Not always, of course, but
- 5:34Speaker 2: a lot of times. The folks asking why or looking
- 5:38Speaker 2: for answers by coloring way outside the lines were not
- 5:41Speaker 2: often treated very well, but many of them directly influenced
- 5:45Speaker 2: the direction of our advancements in a way that is
- 5:48Speaker 2: truly unbelievable. Sometimes my friends you just have to dare
- 5:53Speaker 2: to be different. This goes for a lot of endeavors,
- 5:56Speaker 2: and it's pretty evident, like in music and art and
- 5:58Speaker 2: business and you guessed it, Gulf Just kidding, it's deer hunting.
- 6:04Speaker 2: I've said this a lot, and I believe it with
- 6:05Speaker 2: my heart. But if you hunt like the average hunter,
- 6:08Speaker 2: you will have average results. And the good news here
- 6:11Speaker 2: is that there are a million different ways to do
- 6:13Speaker 2: something that's just above average, something that's just a little different.
- 6:17Speaker 2: So let me give you an example here that I
- 6:19Speaker 2: think is pretty relatable to a lot of folks. Some
- 6:23Speaker 2: of my favorite states to hunt are those that allow
- 6:25Speaker 2: baiting on private land but not public The reasons for
- 6:29Speaker 2: this are many. The first one is that baiting will
- 6:32Speaker 2: be the dominant method of hunting wherever it's legal, no
- 6:35Speaker 2: matter what people say about it, when they can do it,
- 6:38Speaker 2: they almost all do it. This is a strong motivator
- 6:42Speaker 2: for folks to try to find private land in those
- 6:44Speaker 2: states because with it comes an easier hunting method, a
- 6:47Speaker 2: reliable hunting method on public land in these states. And
- 6:51Speaker 2: this is going to make me sound like a total prick,
- 6:53Speaker 2: but I have to say it. It seems like a
- 6:55Speaker 2: lot of residents don't know how to find deer very
- 6:58Speaker 2: well or set up for them. Well, it'sneezy, sorry, Reva.
- 7:07Speaker 2: I don't know if this is tied to the reality
- 7:09Speaker 2: that baiting is so common and setting up over bait
- 7:11Speaker 2: piles or a feeder is kind of cut and dry,
- 7:14Speaker 2: but I've noticed it in quite a few states. This
- 7:16Speaker 2: means that the people who can't bait often hunt the
- 7:20Speaker 2: most obvious stuff on the public land. They'll be on
- 7:23Speaker 2: the field edges, They'll be in the spots that would
- 7:25Speaker 2: be great on tightly controlled private land, which does not
- 7:28Speaker 2: make for great locations on heavily hunted public land. And now,
- 7:32Speaker 2: to be totally fair, I've funded a hell of a
- 7:35Speaker 2: lot of states where baiting isn't legal anywhere in any way,
- 7:38Speaker 2: and the obvious spots on public land a most always
- 7:40Speaker 2: feature stands or blinds, or at the very least, cameras.
- 7:44Speaker 2: When you do this stuff enough, not only do you
- 7:46Speaker 2: notice places that are just going to draw the average
- 7:48Speaker 2: hunter's attention, you often see similar things around those spots.
- 7:53Speaker 2: It's so common for me to find sent wix or
- 7:55Speaker 2: scrape drippers in these types of spots. It's pretty obvious
- 7:58Speaker 2: that people are taking medio locations and try to spruce
- 8:01Speaker 2: them up. And of course this isn't limited to public landowners.
- 8:05Speaker 2: It's easier to take a setup that exists already and
- 8:08Speaker 2: try to add something to it that might draw deer
- 8:11Speaker 2: in but probably won't than it is to go find
- 8:14Speaker 2: where the deer are right now and hunt them. The
- 8:16Speaker 2: hunters fall into two factions, and if you want average results,
- 8:20Speaker 2: go hunt the obvious spots and try to rely on
- 8:22Speaker 2: a bottle of dope to make up for it. It
- 8:25Speaker 2: won't work almost ever. If you're in a state where
- 8:35Speaker 2: some level of baiting is legal, you can simply try
- 8:37Speaker 2: to learn natural food to be different. Believe me, if
- 8:41Speaker 2: they can all wander over and get a belly of
- 8:44Speaker 2: corn anytime they want to, they will also browse and
- 8:48Speaker 2: hit up masts and diversify their diet way beyond a
- 8:51Speaker 2: pile of the Golden secret. This will help you be
- 8:54Speaker 2: even more different than most because to do this you
- 8:58Speaker 2: have to scout out those natural foods horses, and they'll
- 9:01Speaker 2: be located mostly in the cover. They might be here
- 9:04Speaker 2: today and gone tomorrow, and when they are here, they'll
- 9:08Speaker 2: outdraw the tastiest bait pile at least during shooting hours. Essentially,
- 9:13Speaker 2: in this situation, figuring out how to just go to
- 9:15Speaker 2: where the deer are now is a huge advantage over
- 9:18Speaker 2: most of your competition. Let's take another example. How often
- 9:23Speaker 2: do you meet hunters who do a lot of extra
- 9:25Speaker 2: work when they really don't have to, Like, how often
- 9:29Speaker 2: do you meet someone who will walk an extra half
- 9:31Speaker 2: of a mile into stand when they can just drive
- 9:33Speaker 2: their truck or side by side to within a couple
- 9:35Speaker 2: hundred yards. How about that's not very often. The deer
- 9:40Speaker 2: can pick up on this pretty easily, and they do.
- 9:42Speaker 2: When you drive your truck into the corner of the
- 9:44Speaker 2: same field you're going to hunt, you're doing what almost
- 9:47Speaker 2: every hunter would do. Is there a way to simply
- 9:50Speaker 2: park farther away and slip in with a little less impact.
- 9:53Speaker 2: That can be all of the difference you need. What
- 9:56Speaker 2: about how you get to areas where I'm sitting right now,
- 10:00Speaker 2: I can see an EWA non resident deer tag on
- 10:02Speaker 2: my desk. That tag is a ticket to good hunting.
- 10:05Speaker 2: And even though I'll be on public land with a
- 10:07Speaker 2: hell of a lot of resident hunters and probably a
- 10:09Speaker 2: few other non residents, I have a lot of confidence.
- 10:13Speaker 2: One of the spots I plan to hunt is a
- 10:15Speaker 2: small meadow at the top of a bluff. It's not
- 10:18Speaker 2: really all that special looking on satellite imagery or even
- 10:21Speaker 2: in person, but it is a deer magnet. It's also
- 10:25Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, four hundred yards from the nearest road,
- 10:28Speaker 2: but more than a mile from the nearest parking lot.
- 10:31Speaker 2: The most hunters park there and never seem to make
- 10:34Speaker 2: it all the way up to the top of that
- 10:35Speaker 2: bluff to hunt that meadow. But I just park at
- 10:38Speaker 2: the bottom of the bluff and I go straight up.
- 10:40Speaker 2: You know. It takes me maybe ten or fifteen minutes
- 10:42Speaker 2: in the dark, but I'm right there. That hike sucks
- 10:45Speaker 2: a little bit, but it doesn't suck being settled into
- 10:48Speaker 2: a banging spot in Iowa well before first light while
- 10:51Speaker 2: most of my competition is setting up a half a
- 10:53Speaker 2: mile away. Let's look at this another way. Last year,
- 10:58Speaker 2: I arrowed a buck on public land in North Dakota.
- 11:01Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen so many cell cameras
- 11:04Speaker 2: in one spot. They were everywhere. Part of this is
- 11:07Speaker 2: probably due to how limited the cover is in that
- 11:09Speaker 2: area of the state, so they're easier to see, but
- 11:12Speaker 2: part of it is due to the fact that we've
- 11:14Speaker 2: been led to believe a solid hunting strategy is to
- 11:16Speaker 2: run cell cameras until the bucks show they are daylighting,
- 11:20Speaker 2: and that we go in and shoot them. Do you
- 11:23Speaker 2: know where that works best? Not on public land in
- 11:26Speaker 2: North Dakota, I can tell you that much. If you're
- 11:28Speaker 2: waiting for cameras to tell you when to hunt and
- 11:30Speaker 2: it's late October, you might be hunting the way a
- 11:33Speaker 2: lot of people seem to hunt these days. But that
- 11:36Speaker 2: doesn't make it a good idea. I saw one other
- 11:39Speaker 2: hunter on that trip in that spot and I found
- 11:41Speaker 2: one set of boot tracks, But I know there were
- 11:44Speaker 2: other hunters thinking about going there because their cameras were
- 11:46Speaker 2: saturated throughout the place. What a lot of those hunters
- 11:50Speaker 2: seemed to be doing was waiting for a camera to
- 11:52Speaker 2: tell them when to hunt. When it was deep into
- 11:55Speaker 2: the pre run and there was a massive cold front
- 11:58Speaker 2: blowing across the prairie. Now, if you went back twenty
- 12:01Speaker 2: years ago, there probably would have been heavy hunting pressure then,
- 12:05Speaker 2: because anyone with an ounce of common sense would look
- 12:08Speaker 2: at the forecast and the calendar. I think it was
- 12:10Speaker 2: probably a pretty great time to head to stand instead
- 12:14Speaker 2: a lot of my competitions seem to be sitting things out,
- 12:17Speaker 2: waiting for enough digital clues to justify the effort to
- 12:20Speaker 2: go to the field. This ties into something I preach
- 12:24Speaker 2: about way too much, but it's that if you want
- 12:27Speaker 2: to be different, one of the easiest ways to do
- 12:29Speaker 2: it is to stop looking for excuses to not hunt.
- 12:33Speaker 2: I live by this idea on public land because it's
- 12:35Speaker 2: the easiest way to do things differently for most hunters,
- 12:38Speaker 2: but it's also very true on private land as well.
- 12:42Speaker 2: Even if you have a place to yourself and can
- 12:44Speaker 2: easily weigh out better conditions, you should not be actively
- 12:48Speaker 2: looking for reasons to not hunt. That's what ninety nine
- 12:52Speaker 2: percent of the hunters in your neighborhood are going to do,
- 12:55Speaker 2: and that has a ripple effect on the herd. Now,
- 12:57Speaker 2: that might be minimal if you have let's say, I
- 13:00Speaker 2: don't know half section three hundred and twenty acres to yourself,
- 13:03Speaker 2: but it might be something else if you only have
- 13:05Speaker 2: thirty acres to hunt. So those other people are going
- 13:08Speaker 2: to affect your hunting big time. So far, I've talked
- 13:12Speaker 2: about only how you can be different from other hunters,
- 13:14Speaker 2: but the benefits of thinking outside of the old box.
- 13:17Speaker 2: Go beyond that. We all have our own average, and
- 13:20Speaker 2: the deer figured that out pretty quickly too well. I
- 13:24Speaker 2: don't know, think about how you hang your stands or
- 13:26Speaker 2: how much concern you have in your setups for not
- 13:28Speaker 2: getting busted. If you have hunted Grandma's farm since you
- 13:31Speaker 2: were in grade school and haven't hung a new stand
- 13:33Speaker 2: in twelve years, the deer going to have your average
- 13:36Speaker 2: pretty much dialed in. You're not going to surprise them
- 13:39Speaker 2: a whole lot, and they will avoid you pretty easily.
- 13:41Speaker 2: In general, Sometimes it's a matter of putting in a
- 13:45Speaker 2: little extra work to have a couple more setups, and
- 13:47Speaker 2: sometimes it's a matter of hanging your stands a few
- 13:50Speaker 2: feet higher than usual, or maybe tucking them into some
- 13:53Speaker 2: better cover. Sometimes it's a matter of scouting hard enough
- 13:56Speaker 2: to find yourself just one or two good morning setup
- 14:00Speaker 2: so you could hunt in the early season when you
- 14:03Speaker 2: never would have before. And honestly, most hunters still won't
- 14:08Speaker 2: on any given week of September or early October. Such
- 14:12Speaker 2: an easy way to be different, and it works a
- 14:15Speaker 2: good way to look at this question is what rules
- 14:18Speaker 2: you have for yourself? Do you? I don't know, never
- 14:22Speaker 2: go into a certain bedding area because you think it
- 14:24Speaker 2: blow all the deer out and ruin it. How do
- 14:27Speaker 2: you know that to be true? Have you tried it?
- 14:30Speaker 2: Do you believe that the deer in your woods all
- 14:32Speaker 2: go nocturnal during the lull just like everyone else? Thinking
- 14:36Speaker 2: like that will keep you out of the woods just
- 14:38Speaker 2: like everyone else. But what impact does it have on
- 14:41Speaker 2: deer movement when most hunters stay home for a few weeks.
- 14:44Speaker 2: There's a positive correlation there, and I think the average
- 14:47Speaker 2: hunter downplays how much that could be. This is one
- 14:51Speaker 2: of the reasons folks who have a lot of experience
- 14:53Speaker 2: hunting a lot of different places, you know. It's why
- 14:55Speaker 2: they don't really cater their hunts around seasonal timing and
- 14:58Speaker 2: weather quite the way mo most hunters would. They've learned
- 15:02Speaker 2: that the deer are out there, and they have the
- 15:04Speaker 2: confidence to figure out how to get close to them
- 15:06Speaker 2: no matter what. They aren't taking in their deer knowledge
- 15:09Speaker 2: through osmosis from other folks with other experiences. Now, I'm
- 15:12Speaker 2: not saying that's a bad thing, because it's good to
- 15:14Speaker 2: gain knowledge any way you can, as long as it's
- 15:17Speaker 2: good stuff and not something that holds you back. It's
- 15:20Speaker 2: got to be relatable. The more you go into the
- 15:22Speaker 2: woods when you can, instead of going when you believe
- 15:25Speaker 2: you should, you start to understand why actively trying to
- 15:28Speaker 2: think differently can really help you level up. I'll leave
- 15:32Speaker 2: you with this last example. Several years ago, I drove
- 15:35Speaker 2: out to South Dakota to hunt the opener, which then
- 15:38Speaker 2: was late September. I scouted water, you know, because it
- 15:42Speaker 2: was going to be hot as hell, and I talked
- 15:44Speaker 2: to several other hunters and locals who lived in the area.
- 15:46Speaker 2: Most of them talked about EHD hitting hard that year,
- 15:49Speaker 2: and I know it did because I found some dead
- 15:51Speaker 2: bucks around the ponds and they talked about, you know
- 15:55Speaker 2: how there won't be much for movement because it was
- 15:58Speaker 2: just day after day of hot beach weather. Now, I
- 16:02Speaker 2: ended up scrambling on opening night due to some people
- 16:04Speaker 2: beating me to spots, you know, which is just hunting
- 16:07Speaker 2: public land in general. So I walked into a pond
- 16:10Speaker 2: that was stupid close to a parking area. I had
- 16:13Speaker 2: scouted it, but I didn't have much hope because it
- 16:16Speaker 2: just felt it just didn't feel right to set up
- 16:19Speaker 2: that close to where I figured for sure other hunters
- 16:21Speaker 2: would park an opening night on public land. But I
- 16:25Speaker 2: got in there and I shot a thirsty buck before
- 16:28Speaker 2: I was even fully set up. No, this is anecdotal,
- 16:32Speaker 2: but a lot of the folks I talked to out
- 16:34Speaker 2: there seemed to believe their deer fates were decided by
- 16:37Speaker 2: EHD in the weather. But the simple truth was that
- 16:40Speaker 2: there were still deer out there. They hadn't been hunted
- 16:43Speaker 2: for months, it was ninety degrees, and they were bound
- 16:46Speaker 2: to get thirsty. So if you're set up where they're
- 16:50Speaker 2: gonna get thirsty, you might just kill one when the
- 16:53Speaker 2: average hunter thinks it's a lost cause. Look at what
- 16:57Speaker 2: the hunters seemed to do in your area, maybe on
- 16:59Speaker 2: your operator or the piece of public you hunt, and
- 17:02Speaker 2: ask yourself how you can do things just a little
- 17:04Speaker 2: bit differently than look at yourself and the patterns and
- 17:07Speaker 2: routines that you get into. You're just like die hard beliefs.
- 17:11Speaker 2: Look at the times you could hunt, but don't try
- 17:13Speaker 2: to think about what you could do differently, even if
- 17:15Speaker 2: it flies in the face of conventional deer wisdom or
- 17:19Speaker 2: just something you personally believe to be an absolute truth.
- 17:22Speaker 2: Sometimes when you question the norm, you fail, but sometimes
- 17:26Speaker 2: you figure something out that most people won't believe is
- 17:29Speaker 2: true or simply won't pursue because it doesn't seem worth
- 17:32Speaker 2: it for some reason. In either case, you're now giving
- 17:35Speaker 2: the deer something they don't expect above average effort. Do
- 17:40Speaker 2: that and come back next week, because I'm going to
- 17:43Speaker 2: talk about how to really fine tune ground blinds and
- 17:47Speaker 2: how to use them into your hunting in a way
- 17:50Speaker 2: that like a lot of people, I don't think really
- 17:52Speaker 2: think about. That's it for this week. I'm Tony Peterson.
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