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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Three Martini Lunch.
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Speaker 2: Grab a stool next to Greg Corumbus of Radio America
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Speaker 2: and Jim Garrity of National Review.
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Speaker 1: Free martinis coming up, So.
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Speaker 3: Glad you're with us for the Thursday edition of the
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Speaker 3: Three Martini Lunch. Jim Garrity is away here in his
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Speaker 3: place today Scott Bertram, General Manager WRFH Radio Free Hillsdale
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Speaker 3: one to one point seven FM on the campus of
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Speaker 3: Hillsdale College, where Scott also lectures in journalism and directs
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Speaker 3: the Hillsdale College podcast Network. He's also the host of
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Speaker 3: many of those podcasts, including the Radio Free Hillsdale Hour, Scott,
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Speaker 3: how are you?
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Speaker 1: I'm well, Greg, how are you doing well?
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Speaker 3: Doing well? And Graham Plattner is like gobbling up this
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Speaker 3: summer between the primary last month and the blizzard of
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Speaker 3: accusations that never seem to stop. But now it appears
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Speaker 3: where you're actually going to get a break eventually from
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Speaker 3: Graham Plattner. I'm sure we're going to be hearing some
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Speaker 3: more about him and from him as the Democrats now
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Speaker 3: scramble to replace him on the ballot. But the Democrats,
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Speaker 3: after about forty eight hours of heartburn, got what they wanted,
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Speaker 3: and that's Graham Platnin to drop out of the race,
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Speaker 3: which they needed to happen by Monday. But Graham Platner
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Speaker 3: not going quietly. He issued an eleven minute video statement
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Speaker 3: on social media last night explaining this whole thing. But
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Speaker 3: here's the bottom line.
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Speaker 4: We believe that for the movement to continue, it can't
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Speaker 4: be made, and for that reason, we are suspending campaign operations.
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Speaker 3: And he goes on to say that the latest allegations
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Speaker 3: of sexual assault are not true. He categorically denies them,
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Speaker 3: but he says those allegations gave the establishment, or really
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Speaker 3: the main Democratic Party or Democrats nationwide, the excuse essentially
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Speaker 3: to force him out before he gets locked in as
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Speaker 3: the official nominee.
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Speaker 4: I only have until July thirteenth until I am officially
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Speaker 4: the nominee. This was the last week to try to
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Speaker 4: get me off of the ballot. And that's why this
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Speaker 4: is occurring. It's not the false allegations though, that have
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Speaker 4: brought us to where we are. It's the fact that
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Speaker 4: they are being used by the political establishment to put
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Speaker 4: structural pressure on us.
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Speaker 3: Okay, Scott, Well, one thing he said was true, that
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Speaker 3: he would have been locked in as the Democratic nominee
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Speaker 3: on the ballot on July thirteenth. But after this whole
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Speaker 3: blizzard of scandal that's basically been building since he entered
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Speaker 3: the race, and Democrats excuse and excuse and excused, and
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Speaker 3: then finally the Dan broke, which will also talk about
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Speaker 3: more in the next Martini. Plattner is blaming everybody but himself.
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Speaker 3: Who is the main person to blame for why this
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Speaker 3: campaign isn't bloaded?
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Speaker 5: First of all, Greg eleven minutes, what's that meme? Happy
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Speaker 5: for you or I'm sad that happened. I'm just not
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Speaker 5: going to listen to the whole thing. He's out. He
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Speaker 5: needed thirty seconds to say that there's a Politico story
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Speaker 5: this morning that sort of detail the last hours of
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Speaker 5: the campaign. And advisors said, hey, be be conciliatory, b
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Speaker 5: be glad this whole thing happened. Be happy you had
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Speaker 5: the experience. And Bladner said, no, I'm firing on everybody.
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Speaker 5: So that's how he decided to exit the race. You know,
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Speaker 5: if the allegations are true, he's a monster and shouldn't
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Speaker 5: have any business being close to a US senidate. See
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Speaker 5: if the allegations are false, As he continues to claim
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Speaker 5: they are. Then it's also like a moral atrocity that
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Speaker 5: he's leaving the race, because all it does is encourage
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Speaker 5: other false accusations. I don't think they're false, but if
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Speaker 5: he does, then why are you getting out of the race.
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Speaker 5: I'm actually somewhat surprised it came so quickly because plattin
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Speaker 5: around all the leverage in the world. You know, they
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Speaker 5: couldn't force him off the ballot in any meaningful way. Yes,
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Speaker 5: they could deny him help, but what's he got to
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Speaker 5: go back to is oyster company that sells to his mom.
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Speaker 5: I mean, what, this was his moment and he's got
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Speaker 5: rape allegations. It's not like he can turn around and
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Speaker 5: run for governor in a couple of years or whatever.
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Speaker 5: You know, the next main gubitatorial race is what's he
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Speaker 5: going back to. He might as well have run out
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Speaker 5: the string on this. So I'm a little surprised it
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Speaker 5: happened so quickly, and I'm a little surprised that he
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Speaker 5: didn't decide to stick it out, because as we've seen
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Speaker 5: recently too, there's ample evidence that no matter how bad
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Speaker 5: the alligation, if you just stick with it and stick
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Speaker 5: it out, people will come back to you. You're what
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Speaker 5: your new attorney general wish death upon the children of
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Speaker 5: his political enemies in a very painful way, and wished
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Speaker 5: that the mom would be there to watch it happen.
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Speaker 1: And he won.
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Speaker 5: He just stuck it out so he could have taken
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Speaker 5: that road too, and to set it not to firing
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Speaker 5: on Democrats, firing on the establishment for not giving in
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Speaker 5: the support he needs. He thinks he's leading some movement too,
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Speaker 5: which is kind of funny, right that he's been on
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Speaker 5: the scene for all of eight minutes. He was plucked
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Speaker 5: from obscurity by these people who were looking for candidates,
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Speaker 5: and now he's leading some sort of movement. He'll make
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Speaker 5: the podcast circuit. There are certain names I'm sure you
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Speaker 5: and I both have in mind as to where he
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Speaker 5: might pop up for the next week or so, and
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Speaker 5: then he'll simply fade away.
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Speaker 3: Tucker seems to be coming to mind.
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Speaker 1: You know, I wasn't going to say that specifically.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, he says in this very long video full
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Speaker 3: of dramatic pauses, that yes, the state Party was withdrawing
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Speaker 3: fundraising assistance and voter data and basically would have tied
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Speaker 3: the hands of the campaign and of course, the overall
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Speaker 3: objective is to defeat Susan Collins, and so he can't
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Speaker 3: be an impediment to that. But you know, now you've
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Speaker 3: got this process, whatever it's going to look like, to
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Speaker 3: replace him. The Democrats are now in a nice pattern
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Speaker 3: of July surprises. Two years ago it was Joe Biden,
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Speaker 3: Now it's Graham Plattner. After these people are nominated and
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Speaker 3: defended to the hilt on all sorts of different things,
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Speaker 3: and then once becomes untenable because the polling is no
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Speaker 3: longer good. In Biden's case it was after the debate,
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Speaker 3: and Plattner's case it's after these allegations, plus polling that
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Speaker 3: showed him getting crushed among non college educated white voters,
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Speaker 3: which is exactly who he was recruited to appeal to.
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Speaker 3: Then things change, and now this guy that just got
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Speaker 3: defeated for governor of me and Troy Jackson, I'm not
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Speaker 3: even sure he took a breath. Scott in a statement
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Speaker 3: of Wow, these charges are really bad, and Graham Platner
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Speaker 3: should end his campaign, and oh, by the way, I
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Speaker 3: would love to be the next senitor. All these people
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Speaker 3: are quickly abandoning him. But Troy Jackson also spent his
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Speaker 3: entire s gubernatorial bid joined at the hip with Graham Platner,
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Speaker 3: So I'd be fun to see if that actually pans
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Speaker 3: out for him.
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Speaker 5: Look, Graham Platt, there was no slam dunk to win
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Speaker 5: this race, even before the most recent allegations polling was
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Speaker 5: moving in the wrong direction. Susan Collins is a very
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Speaker 5: you know, the last cycle, every single poll had her
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Speaker 5: losing up until the election, and then she won, and
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Speaker 5: so she's well loved. She certainly could have pulled this
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Speaker 5: out no matter what. You know that the other candidate
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Speaker 5: who emerges, whomever it is, we don't know who it is.
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Speaker 5: It's hard to handicap anything at this point, but you
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Speaker 5: got to think that this cloud hangs over whomever the
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Speaker 5: next candidate is. A candidate is not going to be
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Speaker 5: simply on his own. He's going to have Platner on
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Speaker 5: his back, so to speak, this experience on his back,
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Speaker 5: so to speak, as he runs through the general election.
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Speaker 5: So perhaps it makes Collins an even bigger favorite to
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Speaker 5: come out on top in November.
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Speaker 3: It might. And my next question is impossible to answer,
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Speaker 3: But if Platner was up fifteen points and the polls
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Speaker 3: weren't already leaking towards Susan Collins, and this comes out
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Speaker 3: and he denies it, which he is. Does the party
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Speaker 3: abandon him because of the severity of the accusations or
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Speaker 3: do they look at the polling and say nat he said,
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Speaker 3: she said, well, let's keep going because well, my suspicion
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Speaker 3: is that they probably would have stuck with him.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's what I alluded to earlier, which is his
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Speaker 5: strategy could have been, did I refuse to get out.
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Speaker 5: There's no real way for the party to pressure they
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Speaker 5: could pressure him, There's no real mechanism for them to
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Speaker 5: force him out. And then once you know, September rolls around,
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Speaker 5: people come around and say, well, you know, the most
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Speaker 5: important thing is control of the Setate. The most important
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Speaker 5: thing is denying dnid Trump another seat on the Supreme Court.
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Speaker 5: The most important thing is defeating Susan Collins. We all
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Speaker 5: have to come back around to support Grand Platner. This
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Speaker 5: is the most important set a race of the country,
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Speaker 5: and that's why we need your help.
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Speaker 1: In May. It's a decent chance it would have happened.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, if they had to, they would have rallied back
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Speaker 3: around him, but they were able to shove him out
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Speaker 3: the door. I don't know that he's actually signed the
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Speaker 3: paperwork as of our recording, but I assume that's just
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Speaker 3: a detail that needs to be handled before Monday. But
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Speaker 3: all right, well, you certainly need some help if you
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Speaker 3: All right, Scott from Plattner's exit to the media and
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Speaker 3: how humiliated they should be from this, but of course
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Speaker 3: they never really are. In the wake of these latest
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Speaker 3: allegations against Graham Plattner, one of his previous accusers, Lindsay Fifield,
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Speaker 3: basically explained in greater detail why the New York Times
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Speaker 3: report about her accusations was a hit job. First of all,
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Speaker 3: they very much downplayed stories of other accusers, including the
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Speaker 3: one who came out in the recent political report. She
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Speaker 3: also points out that the New York Times never called
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Speaker 3: many of the names she gave them to corroborate her stories.
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Speaker 3: They only called a couple of people and then said, wow,
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Speaker 3: we tried, we couldn't corroborate. She had a lot more
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Speaker 3: people on that list, and so basically they hung her
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Speaker 3: out to dry. But the media is fascinating to watch.
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Speaker 3: On this here is Antonia Hilton of ms NOW basically saying,
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Speaker 3: we believe the latest accusations because this girl is a Democrat.
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Speaker 2: To that comment about the sort of post me To
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Speaker 2: era and the debate that sort of happened in the
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Speaker 2: Democratic Party after the series of allegations around Graham Plattner.
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Speaker 2: Part of I think what made it complicated for some
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Speaker 2: Democrats to fully believe the woman who was at the
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Speaker 2: center of the last round was that she was associated
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Speaker 2: with right wing politics. But this woman, she I want
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Speaker 2: to read part of what's out here. One of the reasons,
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Speaker 2: she says to Politico, I didn't come forward sooner was
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Speaker 2: the huge moral conflict that I had between supporting his politics.
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Speaker 2: So she is saying, I actually agree with Graham Platner,
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Speaker 2: his positions, his politics. She's clearly more on the left,
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Speaker 2: but not supporting him as a person. I just want
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Speaker 2: the truth out there. I just want people to have
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Speaker 2: a whole scope of who he is as a person.
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Speaker 3: Scott believe all Democratic women makes for a pretty long hashtag,
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Speaker 3: but apparently that's what ms now and some others are
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Speaker 3: saying there now. Also on ms now, I think this
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Speaker 3: was yesterday Molly jong Fast as she's associated I think
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Speaker 3: with the Lincoln Project and some other places that pretend
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Speaker 3: at one point that they were Republicans, she is going
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Speaker 3: along with the narrative of ah, we had no idea.
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Speaker 3: Graham Platner was.
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Speaker 6: You know a lot of us. I interviewed him for
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Speaker 6: my podcast. I've talked to his team when the first
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Speaker 6: New York Times article came out. I said, this reads
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Speaker 6: sort of funny.
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Speaker 1: What else is there?
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Speaker 6: Is there something else coming out? And everyone told me
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Speaker 6: up and down, absolutely not. And I think all of
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Speaker 6: us heard that same thing from him from his team.
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Speaker 6: Nothing else coming out. This is clearly a misunderstanding. There's
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Speaker 6: nothing more coming out. We were sold an arc, right,
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Speaker 6: a character arc of a person who had blacked out
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Speaker 6: but now no longer did that behavior now. I should
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Speaker 6: have asked him when I interviewed him if he was
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Speaker 6: drinking still, because there's only one way you get those blackouts,
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Speaker 6: and that's from drinking. And so the idea we were
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Speaker 6: sold this character arc, this person who gets better, who
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Speaker 6: got better, but he wasn't maybe better, Scott.
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Speaker 3: This reminds me so much of two years ago in
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Speaker 3: the media, like, oh, we had no idea Joe Biden
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Speaker 3: was like this, and what we saw on the debate
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Speaker 3: just a couple of weeks earlier, they were talking about
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Speaker 3: deep fakes as he was wandering off at different meetings
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Speaker 3: over in Europe. You also had Axios yesterday suddenly discovering
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Speaker 3: what conservative's been talking about for months, that, oh, grand
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Speaker 3: Plattner's not actually an oyster farmer. He only supplies his
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Speaker 3: mom's restaurant, and actually his father paid for his house,
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Speaker 3: not his veterans disability and so forth, and so the
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Speaker 3: media should have tons of egg on their face, but
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Speaker 3: I assume they'll just keep on doing what they do.
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Speaker 5: My only regret, greg about this entire Platner situation is
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Speaker 5: that we didn't have the opportunity to see Stephen Colbert
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Speaker 5: tie himself into a pretzel nightly trying to wash away
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Speaker 5: and ignore these awful stories about what Grant Plattner had done.
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Speaker 5: I mean, isn't that the height of late night comedy
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Speaker 5: to see someone like Stephen Colbert just whitewash all the
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Speaker 5: stuff about a bad Democratic candidate. And we missed out
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Speaker 5: on the entire experience. I'm very sad about that. The
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Speaker 5: first bite we heard that that's exactly the reason why
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Speaker 5: The New York Times reported the story in the way
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Speaker 5: that it did. It gave democrats and leftists the opportunity
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Speaker 5: to say, well, sure, the story's out there, but as
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Speaker 5: you can tell, why this New York Times story where
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Speaker 5: they spend.
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Speaker 1: Half of it saying how bad the.
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Speaker 5: Accuser is because she's a Republican and has worked in
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Speaker 5: conservative circles for a long time.
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Speaker 1: And you can't believe that.
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Speaker 5: That's exactly the reason why The New York Times reported
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Speaker 5: the story in that manner, and the the author of
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Speaker 5: the author of that story, Jody Canter, I know we
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Speaker 5: didn't play this cut, but it was from a couple
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Speaker 5: of weeks ago where she's again explaining away, these aren't
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Speaker 5: these aren't It's like it's not real Champagne. It's not
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Speaker 5: the from from the from from that part of France.
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Speaker 5: It's just sparkling white wine. These aren't real me too allegations.
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Speaker 5: They're not they're not classic me too allegations. And this
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Speaker 5: is after even in that story we have in an
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Speaker 5: initial story, we had Graham Plutner locking women in rooms
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Speaker 5: and preventing them from escaping, and Judy Canter go it's
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Speaker 5: not what we think about when we think about me too.
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Speaker 1: It's not that bad.
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Speaker 5: It's the reason why the New York Times reported things
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Speaker 5: in that manner to give leftists and democrats cover and
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Speaker 5: try to explain things away. And now they can't because
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Speaker 5: again and just really good come up. And so the
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Speaker 5: other woman is so upset about how her allegations were
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Speaker 5: downplayed in the New York Times story, and it went
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Speaker 5: to political to talk about them. And then you know
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Speaker 5: Malli Jong Fast saying she talked to Platinir seimed like
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Speaker 5: a good guy, and then read the story and thought, hm,
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Speaker 5: is there more? And everyone I talked to she says,
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Speaker 5: said no, there's nothing else. And Platner himself recalled that
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Speaker 5: again the interview where I think with Chris Hayes maybe
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Speaker 5: where he said is there more stuff? Yes, but not
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Speaker 5: damaging stuff. People will say it's damaging, but it won't
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Speaker 5: really be damaging. There'll be more stories, but they won't
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Speaker 5: be bad stories. And Malli Jong Fast is everyone told
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Speaker 5: me things were fine.
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Speaker 1: Greg.
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Speaker 5: I know you, and I I follow I'm sure a
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Speaker 5: lot of the same people on X among a large
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Speaker 5: portion of not just far right conservatives but center right people.
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Speaker 5: It was well known. There were many other stories that
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Speaker 5: were going to drop. It was well known, there were
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Speaker 5: many other stories that were going to be reported. For
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Speaker 5: Mali Jong Fast to say, she talked to lots of people,
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Speaker 5: and everyone told me there was nothing else out there
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Speaker 5: bad about Graham platner A says something about the people
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Speaker 5: she hangs out with, but also how blind that they
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Speaker 5: can be when they don't want to see what's directly
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Speaker 5: in front of them, like say, a Nazi tattoo on
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Speaker 5: his chest, which predates all of this, all of it,
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Speaker 5: it was already wiped away and tried to be explained
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Speaker 5: away by all of these people. So prior to any
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Speaker 5: of these sexual allegations or I believe them to be
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Speaker 5: true stories, but prior to all of that, you had
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Speaker 5: the Nazi tattoo for years, which you had to look
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Speaker 5: past it explain away. To get to a point where
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Speaker 5: Molly Jung Fast says that's a good guy, that's a
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Speaker 5: good candidate. I like him, and everyone else says he's
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Speaker 5: good and there's nothing else bad coming out, you have
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Speaker 5: to ignore so much stuff, and yes, to your point,
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Speaker 5: it's very biden esk where now it can be told.
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Speaker 5: Now we look back and think, oh, how do we
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Speaker 5: miss this? How do we miss all these things? We
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Speaker 5: should have put the pieces together. We'll do better next time.
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Speaker 5: No one actually says the last part, which is will
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Speaker 5: do better next time. But of course the Free Beacon
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Speaker 5: had been reporting on this stuff for a long time.
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Speaker 5: They had the story about him not using what veterans
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Speaker 5: loans to pay for his house, getting a two hundred
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Speaker 5: thousand dollars loan from his father instead to buy the
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Speaker 5: house that was out there for months, and Axios is
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Speaker 5: out yesterday saying well, now we know about this. This
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Speaker 5: house is not exactly this guy might not be exactly
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Speaker 5: what he claims to be. Well, no kidding. A lot
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Speaker 5: of people already knew that and weren't invested in his
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Speaker 5: success to the point where you had to push all
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Speaker 5: of it away to say, yes, I support Grant Platner.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I mean, basically, these people are waving blue pompoms. They're
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Speaker 3: on Team Democrat, and whatever Team Democrat needs, they're going
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Speaker 3: to try and carry the water for it. I think
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Speaker 3: my favorite tweet from the left after the initial Lindsay
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Speaker 3: Fifield allegations was from the ultra lib feminist I think
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Speaker 3: her name is pronounced Joe Philippovich, and she called it
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Speaker 3: light misogyny. It's just light misogyny of trapping people in
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Speaker 3: rooms and grabbing them and yanking them by the wrist
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Speaker 3: and so forth. If that had been a Republican she
18:32
Speaker 3: would have called for their public hanging. But anyway, Grant Platner,
18:36
Speaker 3: I think is done. We'll see how much he emerges
18:39
Speaker 3: as they figure out who replaces him, but it'll be fun.
18:43
Speaker 5: You think he's going a campaign for that next candidate. No,
18:45
Speaker 5: I was your nominee. I had to drop out because
18:48
Speaker 5: of false allegations. But I throw my support behind guy
18:51
Speaker 5: number two.
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Speaker 3: I think it depends who it is. If it's one
18:54
Speaker 3: of the more establishment quote unquote people that he's continuing
18:58
Speaker 3: to rail against, I think might be tough for the
19:01
Speaker 3: party up there to unify. But we will see. All right,
19:04
Speaker 3: in a moment, another Bernie Sanders favorite under the microscope,
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Speaker 3: this time in Michigan, where Scott lives. All right, Scott,
19:17
Speaker 3: let's talk about the Michigan Senate race. The primary there
19:20
Speaker 3: is August fourth. As Jim and my guest host Craig
19:23
Speaker 3: Collins talked about earlier in the week, it's now really
19:25
Speaker 3: a two person race on the Democratic side, since State
19:28
Speaker 3: Senator Mallory McMorrow has dropped out, and now it's down
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Speaker 3: to Congressman Haley Stevens and a dual L sied. Depending
19:37
Speaker 3: on the poll, it's either a comfortable lead for l sayed,
19:40
Speaker 3: or it's getting much tighter now that McMorrow is out
19:43
Speaker 3: of the race. Playbook DC That's Politico also says the
19:47
Speaker 3: latest poll has l Saed forty one, Stevens thirty eight,
19:51
Speaker 3: McMorrow five. So we'll see where those five go. And
19:54
Speaker 3: I'm still sixteen.
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Speaker 1: Not sure.
19:56
Speaker 3: We'll see if those people actually vote. Usually this late
19:58
Speaker 3: in the game they might not. But there was a
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Speaker 3: debate this week, and so a number of issues coming up.
20:05
Speaker 3: First of all, here is to no surprise, I'm duel
20:07
Speaker 3: Elsied talking about ICE and immigration enforcement. The question is
20:12
Speaker 3: what would you replace ICE with? But of course he
20:14
Speaker 3: can't actually answer that question, so he just rails against ice.
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Speaker 7: If not Ice, how should we how could we deal
20:23
Speaker 7: with the estimated millions of people in this country that
20:27
Speaker 7: didn't come through the proper channels, that we don't necessarily
20:31
Speaker 7: know who they are, where they are. I'm going to
20:33
Speaker 7: strat with you, doctor l said, with sixty seconds, what
20:36
Speaker 7: do we do with that situation?
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Speaker 1: So I just want to be clear.
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Speaker 8: I went to Minneapolis at the height of Project Metro Surge.
20:42
Speaker 8: I watched as our government laid siege to a city
20:46
Speaker 8: in our own country. It was awful to see. ICE
20:49
Speaker 8: is not about immigration. ICE is not about the southern border.
20:52
Speaker 8: I was on the nearly the northern border. ICE is
20:54
Speaker 8: about normalizing paramilitary force on our streets. I've been clear
20:58
Speaker 8: that you can't reform ICE, you can't retrain ICE. You
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Speaker 8: have to abolish ICE.
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Speaker 3: The real answer to that question is, I'm going to
21:04
Speaker 3: do nothing about it. I'm not going to remove anyone
21:06
Speaker 3: from this country. I'm going to make sure that everyone
21:08
Speaker 3: who came here.
21:08
Speaker 1: Illegally gets to stay.
21:10
Speaker 3: But then in another interview, this is with Many Hassan,
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Speaker 3: who's basically pro hamas you know, talking about the issue
21:17
Speaker 3: of Elsea Ed and his resume referring to himself as
21:20
Speaker 3: a doctor even though he's never actually been licensed. Listen
21:23
Speaker 3: to this word, Salin.
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Speaker 9: You got attacked by your rivals for calling yourself a physician,
21:28
Speaker 9: not just a doctor, even though you don't have a
21:32
Speaker 9: valid state medical license in New York or Michigan, which
21:34
Speaker 9: apparently is what you need legally to call yourself a physician.
21:37
Speaker 9: Do you wish you'd just stuck to calling yourself a doctor,
21:40
Speaker 9: which you are, to avoid all.
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Speaker 1: Of this controversy and attacks on your physicians.
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Speaker 8: You know, at the end of the day, is not
21:46
Speaker 8: about whether or not I'm a physician or a doctor.
21:48
Speaker 8: The question is can you see doctor? It's not about
21:50
Speaker 8: my education. It's about whether not your kid gives a
21:51
Speaker 8: good education.
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Speaker 1: So a good time.
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Speaker 9: But people would say it's also about did you tell
21:56
Speaker 9: the truth?
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Speaker 8: Well, I would say that I was the help director
21:59
Speaker 8: for the city to try and I've done more to
22:01
Speaker 8: provide more people health care or eliminate their medical debt
22:03
Speaker 8: than most doctors have done in their practice career.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, pretty slick there. That's why they call him
22:08
Speaker 3: the Michigan Mom Donnie. In addition to his radical leanings there,
22:11
Speaker 3: in that same debate we referenced earlier, he basically blamed
22:15
Speaker 3: Israel for everything, including you know, what's your position on AI? Well,
22:19
Speaker 3: any concerns there Israel's fot what about the national debt?
22:21
Speaker 3: Again Israel? So you know this is another radical doesn't
22:26
Speaker 3: seem that he has quite a personal baggage of a
22:29
Speaker 3: grand Platner, but ideologically him heading to the US Senate
22:33
Speaker 3: would be a big problem.
22:34
Speaker 5: Yes, he's not technically or not acknowledged DSA, so he
22:43
Speaker 5: sort of has that sort of veneer of not being DSA.
22:47
Speaker 5: But all the DSA people love him and he accepts
22:50
Speaker 5: the positions of the DSA. It's everything. But in Nane,
22:54
Speaker 5: Bertie Sanders's coming out to support him, AOC's coming out
22:56
Speaker 5: to support him, he has all the endorsements. So this
22:59
Speaker 5: is as far left as you can get. And that's
23:02
Speaker 5: what Malory mcmorro found out. Malaray McMorrow was a progressives,
23:05
Speaker 5: progressive in the in the Michigan State Senate, but she's
23:08
Speaker 5: not a socialist, and all of a sudden you get
23:10
Speaker 5: a socialist in the campaign and the progressive can't get
23:14
Speaker 5: far left enough, and mcmorrow's numbers cratered through the campaign
23:18
Speaker 5: until she got out.
23:19
Speaker 1: Earlier this week.
23:20
Speaker 5: A data point in my neighborhood a mcmorrow's sign was
23:24
Speaker 5: replaced overnight by an l say ed sign. So I
23:28
Speaker 5: don't know if all her support slides to l SAAD,
23:30
Speaker 5: it seems to me it's more more likely than not
23:33
Speaker 5: that it does. As opposed to going to Stevens. I
23:36
Speaker 5: think it's going to be a very tight race between
23:39
Speaker 5: the two of them. But L said so as we
23:43
Speaker 5: saw that clip about him, and it's weird. It takes
23:46
Speaker 5: someone from the far left wing to ask him about,
23:49
Speaker 5: you know, claiming to be a physician when he's not
23:51
Speaker 5: when right, and then he has no explanation other than
23:55
Speaker 5: essentially acknowledging that he lied. He also had to acknowledge
23:58
Speaker 5: the lied about Mike Robe. There was something he was
24:01
Speaker 5: saying he was a lobbyist for pharmaceutical companies and he wasn't.
24:06
Speaker 5: In Mike Rodgers threatened to take into a court and
24:07
Speaker 5: Elsai had had to back down for those allegations. Again,
24:11
Speaker 5: I think the Free Beacon this week had the story
24:13
Speaker 5: about him lying about he said I never said defund
24:16
Speaker 5: the police. That he's on tape saying defund the police.
24:19
Speaker 5: So we led about that, it led about being a physician,
24:22
Speaker 5: led about Mike Rodgers. There's a pattern of this emerging
24:27
Speaker 5: throughout the campaign, and he actually is getting some questions
24:31
Speaker 5: from the left flank, which is odd and unusual, and
24:34
Speaker 5: so I'm not sure if some of those in the
24:37
Speaker 5: media and Democrats, though I repeat myself, aren't a bit
24:40
Speaker 5: concerned about his performance at a potential general election matchup,
24:45
Speaker 5: because this isn't a deep blue, far left, tiny congressional
24:49
Speaker 5: district in New York where there is no Republican opposition
24:54
Speaker 5: in a general election. This is a US Senate seat
24:57
Speaker 5: in Purple Michigan against a guy in my Rogers who
25:00
Speaker 5: is a conservative and does have Donald Trump's support. But
25:04
Speaker 5: it's not Mike Rodgers is not a crazy guy. Mike
25:07
Speaker 5: Rodgers is not going to make mistakes, you know, in
25:10
Speaker 5: the campaign. Mike Rodgers is has a moderate enough temperament
25:15
Speaker 5: to potentially appeal to some of those people in the
25:17
Speaker 5: center who might not like the socialist running under the
25:20
Speaker 5: Democratic ticket. Now I am of the opinion I'd rather
25:23
Speaker 5: not have l Si ed win the primary, even if
25:25
Speaker 5: I think he's an easier opponent for Mike Rodgers. I
25:28
Speaker 5: don't want him to be one step away from the
25:30
Speaker 5: United States Senate. I don't know if Hailey Stevens has
25:35
Speaker 5: I don't want to say has what it takes Hailey Stevens. Again,
25:37
Speaker 5: if you look at some of the comfort she's she's
25:39
Speaker 5: going to be referred to as a centrist and a
25:41
Speaker 5: moderate by everyone, and she's not you go back and
25:44
Speaker 5: look at the data. She voted one hundred percent with
25:48
Speaker 5: Joe Biden back in twenty twenty three, one hundred percent
25:51
Speaker 5: of the time she is she did not vote. She
25:53
Speaker 5: voted against the Borner Life Infant Protection Act. On this
25:58
Speaker 5: organization that has this you know chart about where you
26:01
Speaker 5: where you fit. She is smack dab in the middle
26:03
Speaker 5: of Democrats. She is like a she's like a centrist Democrat,
26:06
Speaker 5: meaning in the center of the Democratic Party and the
26:08
Speaker 5: center of where liberals are. But she's not a moderate
26:11
Speaker 5: or centrist in any real sense of the word. But yeah,
26:15
Speaker 5: I think she'd likely have a better chance of winning
26:17
Speaker 5: against Mike Rodgers. I don't want to have else. I
26:20
Speaker 5: had one step away from the US said it. But
26:22
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that Stevens has the support will take
26:26
Speaker 5: to knock him off in this primary when there's all
26:28
Speaker 5: this energy on the left, and especially after mcmorroll drops out.
26:31
Speaker 3: Now, I think that's probably right, and she doesn't wear
26:34
Speaker 3: that well. It's difficult to listen to her. I think
26:37
Speaker 3: she's got you's got some Midwest energy there.
26:39
Speaker 5: She'd be she'd be kind of she'd be kind of
26:41
Speaker 5: fun to have, you know, on a daily basis to
26:44
Speaker 5: hear her talk and hear her take her positions.
26:47
Speaker 1: But yes, I understand what you're saying.
26:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your point is correct. The center of the
26:51
Speaker 3: Democratic Party right now is really far left. It's not
26:54
Speaker 3: quite as far left as Abdul Alsayet and your am platner,
26:57
Speaker 3: but it's really far left when you think about the
27:00
Speaker 3: positions they're taking. I mean, abolish ice is basically a
27:03
Speaker 3: mainstream Democratic position now, which is insane. So in just
27:07
Speaker 3: a moment, Scott and I will metaphorically sail across Lake
27:10
Speaker 3: Michigan and land in Wisconsin. Be right back, all right, Scott,
27:19
Speaker 3: Let's move over to Milwaukee, Wisconsin and the horrific and
27:24
Speaker 3: traumatizing event that took place yesterday at Hawthorne Coffee. Doctor
27:29
Speaker 3: Oz was there yesterday, was in town for an event
27:32
Speaker 3: with Vice President JD. Vance, stopped at Hawthorne Coffee for coffee,
27:38
Speaker 3: took a picture, and the picture went public. And now
27:42
Speaker 3: everyone seems to be absolutely triggered by this. So we're
27:48
Speaker 3: looking at this statement. Now they say, I want to
27:51
Speaker 3: address the photo that has been circulating today. Doctor Oz
27:54
Speaker 3: stopped into our shop. It was not by invitation. We
27:57
Speaker 3: were not notified in advance. I was not there at
27:59
Speaker 3: the time time staff snapped what they thought was a
28:02
Speaker 3: lighthearted photo behind the counter. The photo was never intended
28:05
Speaker 3: for public distribution. Instead, unfortunately, it was shared with a
28:10
Speaker 3: local news outlet without my knowledge or permission. We immediately
28:14
Speaker 3: asked that it be removed, but that request was declined.
28:19
Speaker 3: This is where the statement should have started. We welcome
28:22
Speaker 3: every customer who walks through our doors. A photo with
28:25
Speaker 3: a visitor should not be interpreted as a political endorsement
28:27
Speaker 3: or statement. They go on to say Hawthorne Coffee has
28:30
Speaker 3: always been about bringing people together over a great cup
28:33
Speaker 3: of coffee and serving our community. We appreciate everyone who
28:36
Speaker 3: has supported us over the years and hope you'll continue
28:38
Speaker 3: to judge us by the relationships we've built, not by
28:40
Speaker 3: a single photo taken out of context. Scott, I'm pretty
28:44
Speaker 3: sure if a prominent Democratic official had waltzt in, they
28:47
Speaker 3: probably would have put it on their ig account and
28:49
Speaker 3: not be releasing statements like this.
28:51
Speaker 5: As I said on next coffee store apologizes for serving customer.
28:56
Speaker 5: It's the roundup of this story.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 5: I got to think, Greg, I mean to cast no
29:03
Speaker 5: aspersions on the staff at this fine establishment don't you
29:07
Speaker 5: think it's likely that they had no idea doctor Oz
29:11
Speaker 5: was in the Trump administration in any way, shape or form.
29:14
Speaker 5: That he is just doctor Oz who was on TV
29:17
Speaker 5: for a long time Oprah's buddy and recognized his face
29:21
Speaker 5: like that. That seems far more likely than them saying, hey,
29:25
Speaker 5: it's the I.
29:26
Speaker 1: Don't even know his position. I mean, I do know,
29:28
Speaker 1: but I couldn't tell you. I've topped my head exactly
29:32
Speaker 1: what he does in the bit of.
29:33
Speaker 3: Director of Medicaid and Medicaid Services.
29:36
Speaker 5: Right, it's supposed to cut costs for Medicaid, which is
29:40
Speaker 5: a good job for him to have, I suppose, But
29:43
Speaker 5: it seems likely the staff didn't know. When the staff
29:45
Speaker 5: saw celebrity and the staff took a picture, and the
29:48
Speaker 5: staff wanted to say, hey, the celebrity doctor was here,
29:52
Speaker 5: good publicity.
29:53
Speaker 1: For the store.
29:54
Speaker 5: Turns out that's not the case. I love the idea
29:57
Speaker 5: that he was not there by invitation or not given
30:00
Speaker 5: any advanced notice.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Oz is stopping by. It's a coffee shop.
30:06
Speaker 5: Please have the bear claw in hand. He's a big
30:08
Speaker 5: fan of the bear claw. Have a bear claw for
30:10
Speaker 5: doctor Oz. We're calling you in advance. It's exhausting to
30:15
Speaker 5: live this way. It must be exhausting to live this way,
30:19
Speaker 5: as as conservatives and those and the right, we are
30:21
Speaker 5: used to having things we love, have to work in
30:27
Speaker 5: tend and with things we don't love. People we love
30:31
Speaker 5: having positions that we don't love. And that's just the
30:33
Speaker 5: way life is. And you appreciate this, and you don't
30:37
Speaker 5: have to appreciate that, and you go about your day.
30:40
Speaker 5: But man, it always seems to be coffee shops. Why
30:42
Speaker 5: are they always in the middle of this stuff that
30:44
Speaker 5: they have to have some sort of multi page in
30:47
Speaker 5: this case Instagram acknowledgement that you know, we don't support
30:51
Speaker 5: the political agenda of every person who walks into our
30:54
Speaker 5: store and decides to buy a coffee. That shouldn't need
30:58
Speaker 5: to be stated. It's it's a bit business, and those
31:01
Speaker 5: things happen in business.
31:02
Speaker 1: People walk in.
31:03
Speaker 5: There's no test you take before you order your lattaire,
31:07
Speaker 5: whatever the heck you're going to order it today. You
31:09
Speaker 5: just walk in and you get stirved, and you don't
31:11
Speaker 5: have to make a big deal about things.
31:13
Speaker 3: Do your people have to call ahead? In Hillsdale when
31:16
Speaker 3: Scott Bertram's coming by to grab a cup of coffee.
31:18
Speaker 3: How do you handle that?
31:19
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not a coffee drinker, so no, the barbecue joint, Yes,
31:23
Speaker 5: I do have them call ahead to the barbecue joint
31:25
Speaker 5: to say I'm coming and make sure you have enough
31:26
Speaker 5: brisket because I really like some.
31:28
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I hope there's no protest to this coffee shop.
31:31
Speaker 3: I hate that they had to buckle and give that
31:33
Speaker 3: Weasley statement. But in an era where people are holding
31:37
Speaker 3: signs cheering for the algae to grow and the reflecting pool,
31:40
Speaker 3: you're probably going to get a few people with poster
31:42
Speaker 3: boards outside your coffee shop. But hopefully it's over seven.
31:45
Speaker 1: Scott.
31:46
Speaker 3: That's always. Thanks for pinch hitting. Have a great day
31:48
Speaker 3: and I'll talk to you soon.
31:49
Speaker 5: Wonderful, Greg, thanks so much, appreciate it.
31:51
Speaker 3: You bet, Scott. Bertram is the general manager of WRFH
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31:56
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31:59
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32:02
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