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Vincenzo | Full K-drama Review / Ep. 25 · Daebak K-Rambles Podcast: K-drama Reviews

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  I'm Jessica, and this is ATC presents devak rambles, where a
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  couple of friends review Korean dramas.
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  And today, on a very special episode of season three, I have
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  my usual co-host, Rico with me. How are you?
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  Hey, I am back, baby. I'm excited.
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  I'm excited to be back. It's been a while.
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  My work schedule has kind of kept me away from being able to
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  review shows on a on a consistent basis.
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  Yeah, but I'm glad to be back. So this is gonna be fun.
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  I'm glad to have you back. I'm glad to have you back on a
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  very fun episode. I imagine we'll have a ton of
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  fun reviewing vinchenzo. Hey.
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  Yeah, we've been watching this. A really long time.
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  It feels like we've both been watching vinchenzo for like,
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  months. It is finally here.
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  We're finally done. We're going to review it.
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  Yes, there were times waiting for this episode to be recorded
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  that I had to like, go back and, like, refresh my memory on
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  certain things. So like, I had to like go online
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  as like, hold on, does this happen in this episode or that
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  episode and like, stuff like that.
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  So I'm excited, though. Yeah, I'm excited to have you
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  back. We're going to get started.
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  Curtis, Robin and Bailey. Yeah, that's right.
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  So I'm going to get started on reading the my drama list
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  synopsis for Vincenzo and then we're going to get going.
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  Mindrum Melissa Nosis reads at the age of 8, pachu Young went
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  to Italy after he was adopted. He is now an adult and has the
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  name of Vincenzo Cassano. He is a lawyer who works for the
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  Mafia as a conciliary because of a war between mafia groups.
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  He flees to South Korea and South Korea.
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  He gets involved with lawyer Hong Chau Young.
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  She is the type of attorney who will do anything to win a case.
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  Vincenzo Cassano falls in love with her.
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  He is also. He also achieves social justice
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  by his own way. Alright, so this show originally
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  aired from February to May 2021. It is firmly a pandemic show and
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  it was released almost simultaneously on Netflix.
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  So the international audience got to see it basically at the
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  same time as the Korean audience.
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  And that's where it got a lot of fame because it was in like the
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  top 10 for Netflix and stuff as it was airing.
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  Vincenzo is 20 episodes long. It's directed by a female
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  director, Kim Yuan. She's directed soundtrack number
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  one, also at Disney plus. Show the crown clown from 2019,
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  which we'll be covering later in the season.
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  Warm and cozy from 2015, and she's currently directing little
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  women from with Kim Goeun and yeah, a bunch of people.
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  A bunch of big names are in little women based on the Louisa
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  May Alcott. Book.
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  That's really cool, yeah. But it's supposed to be a
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  mystery thriller. So totally different tone than
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  be the changing the genre completely.
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  Yeah, absolutely. Vincenzo is written by a male
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  screenwriter, which is pretty rare in for Kdramas POC jibboom.
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  He wrote the fiery priest good manager blood from 2015, which I
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  do not recommend. I do not like blood.
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  He also wrote the Good Doctor from 2013 and if that name
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  sounds familiar. It was later licensed and turned
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  into an American series from ABC with Freddie Highmore.
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  So that is a export of Korea. Yes, it is.
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  Yes, Vincenzo Stars song junkie as Vincenzo Cassano, the title
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  character. We've seen him before from
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  descendants of the Sun Rigos. We have season one.
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  Descendants of the sun. That was a season.
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  He's awesome. Was that a season one or season
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  one? That's a season one, yes.
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  So swirl back in your podcast feed if you want to hear our
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  thoughts on descendants of the Sun from 2016, it's on.
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  Juki is basically a household name.
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  He's been in Arthal chronicles, the innocent man from 2012, I
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  think. My favorite Korean movie?
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  A werewolf boy as well. I say that like with a great
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  insult because sometimes Korean movies are like my internal
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  lists of favorite. These changes every so often,
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  but a werewolf boy holds a very high place in my heart.
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  The show also stars Dong Yoo bin as Hong Chi Yong, and she's been
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  in B melodramatic and save me from 2017.
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  She's basically a newcomer new face to the K drama world.
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  Yeah, haven't seen her really in much.
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  Tachyon as Jung Jung. Sorry, I'm already laughing
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  because of tachyon. Anyway, he plays Jang Junu and
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  he's been in Secret Royal Inspector and Joy save me from
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  2017. So him and Junior bin were in
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  the same drama together. Bring it on.
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  Ghost from 2016. Dream High from 2011 again.
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  Dream high circling around. I feel like every episode I
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  mentioned dream high, do you know?
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  Take on this. No, I'm not sure.
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  OK, that is OK tachyon is the rapper from the KPOP group, 2:00
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  PM. OK.
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  OK. Does that ring?
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  Anyway? You've never seen anything from
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  two? I haven't, actually.
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  I gotta send you like a few music videos after this so you
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  can see like taking on an action at the peak of his career and
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  when that the peak of his career, but the peak of his
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  music career, so to speak. Gotcha.
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  We've got a few side characters of note.
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  I'll say. Kim Yoojin plays Chum Yoongi and
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  she's been in about 16 movies and a bunch of TV.
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  Like throw rock and you'll hit K drama that she's been in.
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  Extracurricular from 2020. Itaewon class from 2020 rookie.
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  Durango head Yong where stars then my secretary is loving the
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  moonlight, tears of heaven. Angel has so many, so many.
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  She's been in a lot of K dramas. We also have quantong young as
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  chairman Jang Hansel and he's been in big mouth from 2022.
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  That's where you might see him now.
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  He's starring in Big mouth, our beloved summer.
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  It's OK to not be OK. He was like a side character in
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  that so many kdramas as well. He's a common name, common face.
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  Alright, so all that out of the way, Rico.
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  What did you think of in Genzo? Before we do that, do you have a
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  question on your face? Yeah, because when you said he
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  was in big mouth, for me, big mouth is, it's a Netflix show.
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  It's an animated show from Netflix.
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  I don't think we're talking about the same thing, though.
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  No, it's a currently airing kdrama.
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  We're recording this in September of 2022, and Big Mouth
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  is currently airing. Gotcha.
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  Yeah. OK.
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  So. And new one or the show.
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  But anyway, OK, so this show Vincenzo.
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  I think that this is a very well done show.
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  I love the way the show looks. It has such a high production
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  value to it. I think that the acting
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  performances are very good throughout the entire show.
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  There's a couple of qualms I have where the show kind of
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  starts off like a oh, it's going to be like a mafia type of show,
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  but then the show kind of like diverts itself into more of like
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  a law drama, kind of like a sitcom almost.
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  In some ways. This is again, this is another
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  thing that I have about Korean shows, is that they like to
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  dabble in multiple types of genres in one show.
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  Yeah. And it kind of, you know, you're
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  in a very serious moment at one moment and then you hear like
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  the light fluttery music and then they're like flirting with
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  each other and it's like a romcom and it's like.
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  I it's so hard to put it like wrap your head around and stay
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  in the moment without being like, well, this show just
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  changed all of a sudden. With that said though, even with
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  the qualm that I have with that. I think that this is a very good
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  show. Um, it, it ranks a little higher
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  in my own personal the ones that we've done together here on on
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  the show, I think you're number one has consistently been
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  signal. Yes it has and it still is.
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  Not to say that this is bad or anything.
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  This I I would have to go back and look at my rankings.
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  It's probably somewhere in that maybe like 4 to 5 range,
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  somewhere in there out of the shows that we've done so kind of
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  high for me. I really enjoy the performance
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  by Song Junkie. Song junkie, yeah, he plays
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  Vincenzo. There is a seriousness to the
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  character that I do like that he brings.
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  Also, I do like when he does have interactions with Hong Chao
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  Young, who's played by Jean Xu bin, right?
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  Is that how you pronounce her real name?
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  Her real name? Jung.
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  Jobin. Jobin.
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  So their interactions together are really good.
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  I really enjoy them as a couple. The the things that happened
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  throughout the show, I think there's some very nice moments
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  of sweetness between them, but also them working together as
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  the show progresses. I think you see a good
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  established relationship between the two, so I really enjoy
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  their. Their chemistry, their
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  interactions and then the third character that I like a lot as
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  well is the. He is the I'm trying.
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  What is his name? But he's basically like the
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  brother who who's part of the Babble group.
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  But he's not evil. Yes.
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  OK, well, that's a spoiler, but yeah.
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  Chairman Jang Hansel, he's played by the last person on
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  this list, Kwak Dong Yeon. There we go.
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  Quack Don Young, he's the half brother and we'll kind of just
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  leave it at that, OK? That's it.
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  So so you like to these characters I really like the
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  most and I I found myself gravitating towards as I'm
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  watching this show. So overall I really had fun with
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  the show. I think it is a very good show
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  to watch. There's a couple moments that
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  stand out for me, but then there's a couple of moments that
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  I'm just like, uh, not sure if we needed either this plot line
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  or even to spend time here in this moment, but overall, a
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  pretty good show. How about you, Jessica?
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  Alright, so I had high expectations for this show
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  because everyone in their mom sings Vincenzo's praises.
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  It's a well regarded show that I happened to completely miss when
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  it was originally airing and I love song junkie like facts.
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  I came into this with high expectations in the first
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  episode, again, like you said, made me think it was going to be
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  a very high stakes, high intensity mafia show.
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  The Italy sequences were stunning.
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  I was blown away by that whole intro sequence.
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  And then I was like expecting that tone throughout the show.
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  That was not the case at all. There was so much more slapstick
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  comedy and generally light, ridiculous sequences in comedy
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  than I wanted. I was expecting and wanting a
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  darker tone. If they had stuck more to that
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  then I think I would have liked the show better, but it was
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  always teetering between genres, between.
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  This antihero dark law drama and this ridiculous light.
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  Comedy. Situational comedy.
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  Like you said you were like, oh, it's kind of like sitcom.
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  Yeah, it is. I was not as invested as other
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  people with the Gunga Guha Plaza.
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  Inhabitants I really. This is this is a main storyline
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  that I don't understand why it it played such a big role.
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  The Gunga Plaza residents were not why I was invested at all.
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  If you can call me being invested in vinchenzo, I think
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  that. They were just very distracting
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  to me. I didn't find them that funny at
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  times. I think towards the end of the
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  show they started to grow on me because they left some of the
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  comedy behind in favor of them becoming more coming more into
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  the fold of the vinchenzo machinations and their grand
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  plan. I just didn't like the.
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  The tone of the show, the pacing of the show, and when I say
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  pacing, I mean, why was it 20 episodes, more than an hour
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  apiece per episode? Another thing that I
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  consistently struggle with, and this is, you've known me on
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  this, yeah, but I struggled with this too, on this show.
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  I was very distraught when I consistently paused at the hour
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  mark, and I was like, there's fucking there's more time more.
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  What else can they possibly put in this episode?
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  I feel like they could have definitely trimmed down the
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  episodes, trimmed down the fat. Left some stuff on the cutting
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  room floor versus stuffing each episode to the brim with content
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  that I wasn't, you know, compelled by.
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  Would you say that this would have been better served as a 16
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  episode rather than the 2100% because there was enough to cut
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  out to drop it down to six? Oh yeah.
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  And get it really tight, you know, tight story.
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  Yeah. Yeah, that's that's where I kind
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  of struggle with is. A lot of time, at least this is
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  just for me personally. A lot of the times on the Korean
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  shows, there's a lot of different plot lines that just
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  don't really influence the end game of the A storyline.
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  So sometimes we spend too much time with the B and the C plot
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  that. You're just kind of waiting.
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  OK, we gotta get back to the main plot of the story, right?
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  I don't mind AB plot, but it cannot hog up too much time when
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  there's only so many episodes. There's only 20 episodes of a
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  show. You can't dedicate that much
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  time to the B and the CPLEX. That's just my opinion on that
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  part. No, I agree completely.
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  I don't think I was as positive on the main coupling of Hong
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  Chau. And then vinchenzo, as you were
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  OK, I. This is a hot take.
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  I don't think they had chemistry.
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  Ohh. OK, I think they were way better
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  as platonic partners and partners in crime than they were
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  romantic interests. OK, I got you.
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  I got you. Are you gonna advocate for them
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  during the rest of this episode? I'm not gonna like say here and
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  be like you're wrong. And this is.
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  I think I felt like they did have some chemistry.
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  But I'm not going to sit here that it's the best chemistry
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  that I've seen from any couple here at any point from any show
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  that we've watched. But I think at least.
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  For myself, I saw a little more chemistry than you did.
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  Most likely, yeah, I think they were best suited as just
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  partners in crime. Got it.
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  There were a couple of moments. I was like, OK, we're getting
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  there, it's warming up. But it wasn't this chemical
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  reaction, if you get my meaning, I got you.
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  Yeah. I got.
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  I don't know what else to say. I think the.
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  I love the way it was shot. Just like you said,
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  cinematography wise, really beautiful visuals.
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  I think that I was wanting more from the OST.
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  It wasn't working like I like working as in like it wasn't
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  doing its part right in the grand scheme of the show.
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  I think they relied heavily on classical music, which is
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  perfectly fine to me. I think they could have gone
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  even heavier on the classier, classier.
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  On the classical music and those needle drops which invoke a
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  different kind of tone and feeling.
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  I see what you're saying. Would you say that because we're
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  so used to in Korean shows, having like that pop element
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  being injected into the soundtracks?
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  Maybe that's something that was kind of missing from the show
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  because you're so used to it. I do feel like I'm used to it
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  and I'm wanting. That element in the show for
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  sure they did have score. And in particular there was one
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  emotional song that I have to find the track for it, but it
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  sounded just started just like great is thy faithfulness.
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  You know that old hymn? Yes.
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  Do you know that old hymn? So it literally was the same.
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  It started the same notes as great as thy faithfulness.
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  And every time it came on I was like great is I favorite is so
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  God my father just saying it in my head and then once it stops
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  with the melody, I was like. Got off it, you know stop
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  singing it. But it was very dead on and in
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  that respect it made me think it was very old sounding because
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  greatest I faithfulness. It's like hello old.
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  That's a that's an old song. Yeah that's an old him.
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  You are very not that. Anyway, I don't know what else
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  to say without going into spoilers, because I truly feel
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  like anything you say. Is kind of spoilery.
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  Yeah, yeah. Wait, let's talk about it.
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  Well, I don't think this is necessarily a spoiler, but
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  tachyon, what did you feel about his performance?
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  About Tech Young's performance. You feel about tech?
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  OK, so he is basically, he's an intern right, at the at the law
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  firm, yes, he starts as an intern at the law firm, right?
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  He starts there, but then we learn more about him.
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  I think that what I do like. How the show kind of treated him
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  first was like he's like just go with the flow like.
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  Happy go, lucky, whatever. But as the show goes and you see
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  the way they change that character, I think they do a
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  good job because the show needed like a true.
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  And I mean, I don't know how much we can say without spoiling
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  it, but like I got you, it needs an antagonist.
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  It needed it, needed it needed it, it needed it, and they
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  needed the change they needed to establish.
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  A big bad. And I put that in quotes just
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  because when you're dealing with a show where there's
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  implications of the mob or some type of corporation who's like
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  in control, whatever you're doing, you need to establish a
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  face to it almost and. I'm kind of glad that he's like
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  the one that they did that with because he brings.
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  A little bit of a presence, like, I love that it goes from.
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  You know, we don't really see him as a threat type of thing as
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  an audience member. And then it shifts and you
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  think, ohh, he's a major problem.
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  I thought they did a good job with it.
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  How about you? Did did you feel the same way or
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  differently? I was spoiled ohh no before I
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  watched the show because you know I'm deep in the enemy's
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  camp here and K drama territory deep in all over the deep in the
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  enemy's camp the UK drama editors do not sleep and I was
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  spoiled about Tachyon's character I.
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  I think people rank him. I'm just going to go out and say
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  I think people rank him as one of the best kdrama villains.
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  Hmm. OK, what would you say to that
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  claim? I don't know if I would consider
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  him like the best villain. I think he's a good villain, but
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  the best seems like a very strong title to assign to him.
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  I think so too. I think people might be grasping
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  a bit when they say he's the best villain.
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  I think that there are other villains in Kdrama that do a bit
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  better job that are a little more nuanced.
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  I feel like tech was chewing up scenery.
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  He was chewing up scenery, just noshing on it.
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  He was really cartoonish. Yeah, you can even say he was
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  cartoonish. Yeah.
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  Like, because it was OK. So maybe this is something that
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  I'm thinking of, but I think that a lot of times when we do
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  meet a villain in one of in a Korean show, they do kind of go
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  after like a lot of the cliches of what makes a villain a
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  villain. You know, they have to either be
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  yelling if they're doing that, or they have to look very
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  sinister and they have to like put on a face to do it.
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  Like they they go after the cliches.
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  So maybe there was enough. Differences between the way he
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  started to the way he ended that people maybe like where it see
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  like a character progression almost hmm, maybe that's how
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  people saw it. And so that's a little bit
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  different because a lot of times those villains are OneNote.
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  It's like I'm bad because I'm bad and I do bad things and
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  that's kind of it. There's no nuance 2 characters.
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  Sometimes I would like to dive into his psyche a bit when we
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  get to the spoiler section, but I honestly feel like.
• 23:29
  People are very. Whistle word.
• 23:33
  They're not blinded, but. Just maybe caught in the moment
• 23:40
  by the reveal. Yeah, when they reveal text,
• 23:45
  true nature, you're just like. Oh my God.
• 23:48
  Like it's a it's A twist, you know, in the show.
• 23:54
  What where is that from? Ohh you don't know where that's
• 23:57
  from. So there's a.
• 24:02
  Man, there's there was a show, a robot chicken that was on on
• 24:06
  Cartoon Network and so they they did a whole thing about
• 24:10
  Shyamalan, right? M Night Shyamalan.
• 24:13
  And so like they would like do like a little thing and then
• 24:17
  they would like do something and then Shyamalan would kind of
• 24:21
  come out and be like what the twist?
• 24:23
  And with that voice and everything, what the twist?
• 24:28
  So anytime like A twist comes up in my head, I'm just like, what
• 24:32
  A twist. OK, so I got it.
• 24:38
  You gotta send me one of those videos.
• 24:40
  I gotta send you one of those now.
• 24:42
  I love to. The intro sequence of the
• 24:45
  opening credit sequence for Vincenzo's got like a madman
• 24:47
  meets James Bond meets House of Cards intro.
• 24:50
  Good stuff, good stuff on it. We'll get to some fun facts
• 24:53
  right now before we give our scores and jump into spoilers.
• 24:57
  So we talked a little bit about the introduction of vinchenzo
• 25:02
  the character in Italy. How did Song Junkie film in
• 25:06
  Italy during COVID-19? He didn't.
• 25:10
  He didn't. All those scenes that were set
• 25:12
  in Italy were done. Completely CGI, really.
• 25:16
  All of them. I kid you not.
• 25:18
  So junkie never stepped foot in Italy.
• 25:21
  None of those people were there when he was acting.
• 25:23
  He was acting in front of a blue screen the entire time.
• 25:27
  Every single Italy scene. So what do you think of that?
• 25:31
  So that you're, you're a stickler for CGI, stickler for
• 25:35
  CGI. And in that sequence, they're
• 25:39
  like moments where I guess maybe I thought the sky, they might
• 25:44
  have wanted to make it look a certain way, but I didn't think
• 25:49
  like the entire thing was CGI, the whole thing.
• 25:51
  So they did a good job getting me on there.
• 25:55
  I didn't think you got they got you.
• 25:58
  Well, I gotta. I gotta give him props for being
• 26:01
  able to act by himself pretty much.
• 26:04
  Because he he's not really with them.
• 26:08
  There's nobody there. There's no one there.
• 26:11
  That's hilarious to me. Nice.
• 26:13
  I'm so glad they got you on that.
• 26:15
  They got me. They got me.
• 26:16
  Yeah. Yeah, they really did.
• 26:17
  That Netflix money coming through.
• 26:20
  Some native Italian speakers have reviewed some junkies
• 26:24
  Italian in Vincenzo because he speaks Italian a bunch of times
• 26:28
  in the show, and they have said that although his pausing was
• 26:33
  awkward, his pronunciation was mostly accurate and they
• 26:37
  especially thought that his swearing in Italian was perfect.
• 26:44
  Why is it that when it comes to cursing, everybody can be an
• 26:48
  expert? Yeah, everyone's a native
• 26:51
  speaker. Think.
• 26:52
  Think about every person who doesn't know Spanish.
• 26:56
  But you tell them a curse word. Yeah, they easily get it.
• 27:00
  Every time. Every time.
• 27:03
  So let's talk ratings. I mentioned the top ten in on
• 27:06
  Netflix. The first episode reached a 7.7
• 27:09
  rating, making it the fourth highest rated TV drama premiere.
• 27:13
  The finale received 14.6% rating, making it the 11th
• 27:19
  highest rated K drama in cable television history.
• 27:24
  Really good. Yeah, that's really, really
• 27:26
  good. Yeah, it is.
• 27:28
  A shit ton of people watching. Gentle.
• 27:30
  Yes, pretty much alright. So there's some fun facts.
• 27:34
  More more fun facts, but we'll get into them.
• 27:36
  For the spoiler section. What would you rate this show
• 27:40
  out of five soju bottles? Out of five soju bottles, I am
• 27:43
  going to give it a 3 1/2. Three social bottles, yes.
• 27:48
  Alright, I'm gonna give it the same.
• 27:51
  But I feel like I'm on the negative side and you're on the
• 27:53
  positive side. I don't know why we have the
• 27:55
  same soldier battle score, but. We'll get into it.
• 27:57
  I get into it, I guess. Yeah, alright, we're going to
• 28:01
  talk spoilers right after this. Hey, you wanna come in?
• 28:11
  Alright, we're on the other side of spoilers for Vincenzo.
• 28:14
  So if you have watched Vincenzo, keep listening.
• 28:16
  If you don't care to be spoiled, then listen on.
• 28:19
  All right, so episodes one and two.
• 28:21
  I found them so boring after he lands in Korea.
• 28:26
  Yeah. So the big thing for me is when
• 28:29
  they start introducing these different plot threads that I
• 28:34
  thought we were going to get, like a true mafia show.
• 28:37
  And it doesn't feel that way after you land in Korea, right?
• 28:42
  It kind of, you know what it kind of feels like.
• 28:45
  It kind of feels like the show like bills itself with the first
• 28:48
  trailer of the first part of the first episode.
• 28:53
  Yes. And then bamboozles you.
• 28:56
  Yes, into a different show, 100%.
• 28:59
  I thought the Italy stuff was really cool, pure mafia, super
• 29:03
  interesting. And then he gets to Korea and
• 29:05
  it's like someone declawed a cat.
• 29:07
  Thank you. Thank you, thank you.
• 29:09
  Just like, what is this and then?
• 29:13
  They, you know, they go ahead and they like just introduce
• 29:19
  like this separate storyline about the building.
• 29:23
  Yeah, that's one. There is a law case against
• 29:28
  Babel and you think, oh, maybe this is just a side case.
• 29:33
  No, this is going to be the main story case.
• 29:35
  Yeah, that's the main storyline. It's against barble barble
• 29:39
  barble. It's against Babbel
• 29:42
  pharmaceuticals. And then you expand because
• 29:44
  apparently that's a subsidiary Babble conglomerate.
• 29:47
  Is the bad guy, the bad company that they're fighting against.
• 29:51
  They introduce a bunch of tropes like he has mommy issues because
• 29:55
  he was abandoned. As a child, you get the
• 29:57
  abandonment trope. His mom gave him up for adoption
• 30:00
  and she's now imprisoned for killing an abusive employer.
• 30:03
  But that was a falsehood because she didn't kill the guy.
• 30:06
  He was like a tribute to rape her.
• 30:08
  It's like really dramatic. And the Babble fight.
• 30:12
  The introduction of Chong. Hi.
• 30:14
  Oh my God, what's your name? Tahong Lord.
• 30:17
  What is her name? Really.
• 30:20
  Hongyang? Yeah.
• 30:21
  Chai Yong Hong. Or Hong when she gets in Hong
• 30:26
  Chau Young when she gets introduced.
• 30:28
  I'm not sold on her characterization because she is
• 30:33
  kind of playing the villainous. Role where?
• 30:36
  She's on the side of Babel. She's fighting with her dad.
• 30:38
  I'm not interested, you know, I'm not interested at all in
• 30:43
  anything that's happening. No, it's not until the end of
• 30:47
  episode 3 when things finally start to pick up, OK.
• 30:53
  They come in with a truck slamming into the building?
• 30:58
  Yep. And killing a child's dad?
• 31:02
  Yep. And it was the kick in the pants
• 31:04
  the show needed because you. They had this epic montage
• 31:08
  sequence after this truck crash where Taeyong is struggling to
• 31:15
  cope, feeling guilty over being at odds with her father and his
• 31:18
  morals. The media smear campaign against
• 31:22
  him and the witness researcher was part of all that was
• 31:25
  particularly upsetting because you, even though I wasn't, I
• 31:29
  wasn't, didn't care about anything that was happening.
• 31:31
  You knew that her dad was like a righteous lawyer.
• 31:34
  He was, he was a good guy. He was a good guy.
• 31:37
  And to see her just going through it, vinchenzo's in a
• 31:42
  coma like it's like crazy. And I thought that was the
• 31:47
  turning point in the show for it to actually starting start to be
• 31:52
  more high stakes again. So after the first sequence, one
• 31:56
  of my things about a show like this when you don't have as many
• 32:00
  episodes is the show needs to propel in the first episode.
• 32:06
  Yeah, it it can't. You can't wait until episode 3
• 32:11
  to find the end of episode 3 to get the catalyst for the show,
• 32:16
  because this is what gets people like different parts of the
• 32:20
  story moving. It gets Chao Young and Vincenzo
• 32:24
  closer together to start battling against.
• 32:30
  Travel like it. It puts the kick in the pants to
• 32:33
  start going that way. But it shouldn't be by episode
• 32:37
  3, it should have been much sooner.
• 32:39
  I agree. I agree completely.
• 32:42
  Yeah. That truck scene though?
• 32:43
  The truck was literally driven into the store.
• 32:46
  Yep, driven, shattering the glass and turning over the
• 32:49
  tables and spilling the bottles of rice wine and stuff.
• 32:52
  They were hooked up to stunt wires, and then they were hauled
• 32:56
  across the room to make it look like they were flying from the
• 32:59
  impact of the truck crash. They didn't do it at the same
• 33:02
  time though. They did it separately and then
• 33:04
  I guess they pieced it together after the fact and post.
• 33:07
  But I thought that was a really cool fun fact is that there was
• 33:11
  no CGI for that truck. No, they they fully didn't.
• 33:15
  Yeah. Awesome.
• 33:16
  That's awesome. I, I, I enjoy a good practical
• 33:20
  stunt. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:22
  Although that one, I would have guessed it was CGI.
• 33:24
  Yeah. If you're gonna do that would be
• 33:27
  the one that you would think would be CGI, not the entire
• 33:30
  Italy sequence. Getting sequence.
• 33:35
  So going back to this montage rehab like what?
• 33:38
  In episode four they had this montage of the murder aftermath
• 33:42
  and it was all set to Requiem K-626 AKA Mass 19 and D minor.
• 33:49
  And it reminded me a bit. Of um.
• 33:54
  Especially with the Oh my God, what's her name?
• 33:59
  Choi mungi. That other evil attorney?
• 34:02
  Yes, the woman attorney. The woman attorney, yes.
• 34:05
  So ceremony. She is dancing in her office and
• 34:10
  stuff during that whole sequence.
• 34:12
  And it reminded me of both the Joker with the dancing on the
• 34:16
  steps and the IT was like that simultaneous.
• 34:20
  The whole like sequence plus her dancing, right.
• 34:23
  We have Joker dancing on us. Plus the do you renounce Satan
• 34:27
  scene from the Godfather? From the godfather?
• 34:29
  Oh my God. It reminded me of the do you
• 34:31
  renounce Satan scene? See it with the they cut back
• 34:35
  and forth between like the people who are the victims and
• 34:38
  the guy who's the woman who's pulling all the strings because
• 34:41
  she's the one who said I want it all to happen on the same night.
• 34:44
  You know it was. Actually really good editing and
• 34:50
  I appreciated that scene a lot. They do a really good job with
• 34:54
  it whenever whenever a scene like that happens where like it
• 34:57
  does kind of make you think of like the Godfather scene, the,
• 35:01
  you know, pronounced Satan scene.
• 35:04
  Do you want Satan and all his works?
• 35:08
  There's a lot of shows who do it, but one that did it, you
• 35:12
  know within the last 10 years that I found to be fantastic was
• 35:16
  like, tell me, have you ever seen, have you ever seen Modern
• 35:18
  Family? No, no, I have not.
• 35:22
  Just bits and pieces of fantastic one where they're at a
• 35:27
  baby christening and everything and no stop.
• 35:29
  And they do the whole sequence of like, do you renounce Satan
• 35:33
  and his all his works. And it's Phil Dunphy like the
• 35:36
  one the the dad who's always the fun one that you see like in all
• 35:40
  the commercials and stuff. And he's the one he sends his
• 35:44
  son to like do the works that need to be done.
• 35:48
  Such a great thing. So if you ever watch Modern
• 35:50
  Family. I think the episode is called
• 35:52
  full hentzia because that's gonna be the name of the of
• 35:55
  course. That's the baby's name.
• 36:00
  Yeah. It's the baby between Sofia
• 36:02
  Vergara's character and Albany guy.
• 36:07
  Ohh, man, they had a baby. And so he wants to name it Joe
• 36:10
  because he's, you know, he's a typical white guy and she's like
• 36:14
  her mom wants to name it Fulgencio, like the 4th or
• 36:19
  whatever. Anyway, OK, OK, back to begin to
• 36:26
  vinchenzo. So Episode 4 ends with them
• 36:29
  setting fire to the Babel farmhouse warehouse.
• 36:32
  To what do you think of that? Bugs from spreading out?
• 36:35
  Yes, I really. Great, great.
• 36:38
  Great scene, great scene. Loved it.
• 36:40
  And also like really to like put Babble like on their heels.
• 36:45
  Like ohh shit, yes, it's not gonna be easy coming at these
• 36:49
  two. And Vincenzo, you know he's
• 36:51
  going to do things his own way. So yeah, I appreciate that.
• 36:55
  I liked how they even messed with the sprinklers so they
• 36:57
  wouldn't turn on so they wouldn't turn on.
• 37:00
  Great job. They're like, why don't we have
• 37:02
  like a sprinkler system? Why is nothing getting put out
• 37:05
  and they've backtrack again? And you see them messing with
• 37:08
  this regular system and shutting it off.
• 37:09
  And I'm like, Oh my God, it's so great.
• 37:11
  You see, finally the big bad shows up.
• 37:15
  And it's tachyon. Yes, it's tech.
• 37:19
  It's tech rolling up. Looking fierce, looking bad.
• 37:23
  And he's the the man behind the curtain.
• 37:27
  They finally, like we, get the reveal.
• 37:31
  I just like how the scene is so put well, put together, and then
• 37:34
  the culmination is a grand reveal, right?
• 37:38
  Exactly, you know. So and then the final shot is of
• 37:43
  all of our arsonists driving away looking at the inferno, and
• 37:46
  they're playing pavarotti's rendition of Nessun dorma from
• 37:50
  Turandot. And we get a translation of the
• 37:53
  lyrics because Vinny says them, he says.
• 37:57
  Set stars, set stars at dawn. I will win.
• 37:59
  I will win. I will win.
• 38:01
  And you're just like, ohh, like, you just feel like it's so such
• 38:05
  momentum and drive and feel like moments like this.
• 38:09
  Yeah. What really drives me on this
• 38:10
  show. Yes.
• 38:12
  Yeah. That scene felt a lot like the
• 38:14
  Bellagio fountain scene for motions 11 to me.
• 38:16
  Ah, yeah. It's very poetic.
• 38:19
  Good call, good call. Look, a lot of nothing happens
• 38:23
  between episodes 4 through 8. No, you.
• 38:28
  You're telling me, yo, I'm like sitting there struggling.
• 38:32
  Come on, let's, let's get into the meat of it.
• 38:35
  Yes. Yeah.
• 38:36
  And it's not happening. It's not happening.
• 38:40
  We get a lot of back and forth with the tenants and you know,
• 38:44
  their shenanigans and I don't care.
• 38:46
  It's like, yeah. So I can't remember what episode
• 38:51
  this happens in. Maybe we haven't gotten there
• 38:53
  yet, but when? Maybe it's episode like 10
• 38:57
  because we're about to get there, but when they come down
• 39:00
  to like the aid of Vincenzo. Uh-huh.
• 39:04
  And then, like, they do like, those showing what they were in,
• 39:08
  like in their past. That's a lot like one of the
• 39:10
  last episodes. Never mind.
• 39:12
  Yeah, we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about, OK, well, in
• 39:15
  episode 8, I had a big qualm here because the undercover
• 39:19
  Homeland Security agent who's masquerading as the Italian
• 39:23
  chef's apprentice in the building, he says in voiceover.
• 39:27
  I finally realized why these people remained here and stood
• 39:30
  their ground. They were inspired by Vincenzo's
• 39:32
  strength and. Excellent leadership.
• 39:35
  That means vinchenzo isn't a mafia.
• 39:39
  He's not a mafia. He's Che Guevara.
• 39:45
  So, OK, so because somebody shows leadership potential,
• 39:49
  they're not mafia? Their Che Guevara.
• 39:55
  That doesn't really many issues. I have so many.
• 39:57
  I have so many issues with it. I just can't.
• 40:00
  There's no way to. So I don't think that's the case
• 40:04
  at all. Like, no, he's so wrong.
• 40:06
  Like on so many lovely completely.
• 40:08
  Because never do you feel like it is.
• 40:12
  He's inspiring a people for like, a true revolution.
• 40:15
  Not until later on. In the show.
• 40:18
  You don't. Not to mention she Guevara's a
• 40:20
  murderer. Well that too was killing his
• 40:22
  own people. So yeah that's that's also very
• 40:25
  true. There's that and and to say like
• 40:29
  you know he shows good leadership quality so he can't
• 40:32
  be mafia, that doesn't make sense either because most of the
• 40:36
  time you show the good leadership and you become.
• 40:40
  Part of the family. The head of the family.
• 40:42
  Like, right. You have to be some sort of
• 40:44
  charismatic person. Yeah, to lead a family.
• 40:47
  I think that is a. That's a line that doesn't make
• 40:50
  any sense. That doesn't make any sense.
• 40:52
  No, that was like, ooh, so bad. Do some research on Chegg Obata
• 40:55
  also, anyway. I think episode eight had some
• 41:00
  really good moments where he's trying to seduce the bank
• 41:04
  president who's like a closet homosexual.
• 41:08
  Do you remember this part? I remember it very, very low,
• 41:12
  yes, but yes. This scene of him riding the
• 41:15
  horse. I lost it.
• 41:18
  I lost it. It was.
• 41:19
  Suppose they knew what they were doing when they put some junkie
• 41:24
  on the horse in that getup. Of course they knew what they
• 41:27
  were doing. They knew exactly what they were
• 41:29
  doing. They were catering to a specific
• 41:31
  audience. And it was the same as, I don't
• 41:36
  know, same fan services, maybe like a shower scene or something
• 41:39
  and occasionally, yes. Or, you know, just a random
• 41:43
  moment where like, they touched the arm and then it goes into
• 41:45
  slow motion. They touch the arm and then say,
• 41:48
  Oh yeah, they do touch. You're getting it.
• 41:51
  You're getting it. It's, it's meant for something.
• 41:54
  And actually, that bank president is the 2nd male lead
• 41:57
  in this drama called our beloved summer, and he's tremendous in
• 42:01
  that and he's very. Endearing in that, and I feel
• 42:04
  really bad that he's so evil. And vinchenzo, he's really bad.
• 42:08
  Like he what was his deal? He wasn't just like a closet
• 42:12
  homosexual. He was actually kind of out and
• 42:15
  he was killing guys that didn't want anything to do with him.
• 42:19
  Like he would ask them out and then would just like beat them
• 42:21
  up. And in spite, for spite.
• 42:25
  They rejected him, right? They rejected him.
• 42:27
  Yeah, that's that's not a great way to handle rejection.
• 42:29
  It's crazy. So I like how he got his
• 42:32
  comeuppance. Of course.
• 42:34
  Of course they scare the shit out of him with the zombies.
• 42:37
  The zombie prank. Yep.
• 42:39
  Again, like this show, like, goes through different types of
• 42:44
  tones. Like, there are moments where
• 42:47
  things are getting really serious and then like, a zombie
• 42:51
  prank. It's so out of left field
• 42:55
  sometimes that you're just like, what am I watching?
• 42:58
  And then, you know, it tries to get back into it once again, it
• 43:02
  tries to get back into the Babble plot.
• 43:04
  So yeah. So I think that there's a lot of
• 43:07
  different weird, bizarre checkoff guns in the show, OK.
• 43:13
  Just mentioned the zombies, we just mentioned the zombies.
• 43:16
  So in the in an early episode, some of the tenants are learning
• 43:19
  how to be zombies in like a kind of like a dance studio because
• 43:23
  one of the tenants is a dancer and they're learning how to be
• 43:27
  zombies. They later on in episode 89,
• 43:30
  whatever, they all prank the gay bank president because he's got
• 43:35
  this extreme zombie phobia. So, like, why?
• 43:39
  You know, why introduce this weird zombie thing in an early
• 43:42
  episode, right? And then they use it again, the
• 43:45
  before tech is revealed to be the big bad.
• 43:48
  Yeah. He punishes the chair like his
• 43:50
  half brother on the ice rink, pelting him with ice hockey
• 43:54
  pucks and beating him with a stick.
• 43:55
  Right. Because there has to be.
• 43:57
  That's his. That's his method, yeah.
• 44:00
  But like, no, that's not what I thought, but that's not what I
• 44:04
  thought at all. But he, the half brother uses
• 44:06
  that method later on to punish like 3 executives after.
• 44:11
  It's a little bit of ice rink hockey torture and it's the same
• 44:14
  thing. Checkoffs.
• 44:17
  High ice hockey tech goes full send murdering one of the
• 44:22
  prosecutors with a hockey stick. And that I mean again.
• 44:27
  You keep they keep harping on this weird checkoffs gun.
• 44:33
  Like if we had it here, we have to have it here right for
• 44:36
  foreshadowing moment that they could bring up later and then of
• 44:41
  course here, Adam. That you have another ice hockey
• 44:45
  thing where Vinnie ends up with the half brother on the ice
• 44:50
  brother the face off with the Interpol agents.
• 44:53
  That it's it's you know whatever help us out.
• 44:55
  Like don't. Yeah.
• 44:58
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 45:00
  What did you think? I had a issue with this because
• 45:03
  they had this in a few episodes where Vinny seems to have.
• 45:07
  Also, I'm naming him. I'm nicknaming him Vinny, Vinny,
• 45:10
  for obvious reasons. Anyway, Vinny seems to have
• 45:13
  periodic nightmares and PTSD dreams about his past life as a
• 45:18
  violent, as a violent member of a Mafia family, and they never
• 45:21
  really returned to that. And they never deal with it.
• 45:26
  No, they don't really deal with that.
• 45:28
  And I found that to be disappointing because I would
• 45:31
  have liked to see like that recall of his memories to play
• 45:36
  out in a moment where you can see that his past is still
• 45:41
  affecting him now, where you can see him composed on everything,
• 45:46
  but that little moment can rear its ugly head.
• 45:50
  But we don't really get that in the show.
• 45:53
  We just. That it's more about
• 45:56
  understanding where he came from, but not really who he is.
• 46:00
  Ooh, that's that's the thing about like all those flashbacks
• 46:04
  to me at least. And then on top of that kind of
• 46:10
  related, there's this whole angle with his mother or.
• 46:16
  I don't know, maybe I'm. I'm kind of misremembering this,
• 46:20
  but like, it is his mother, but not they're not really like
• 46:23
  referencing each other that way. Am I missing remembering the way
• 46:28
  the mother interactions went? The mother interactions are?
• 46:34
  He never outright says, like, you're my mom, right?
• 46:36
  There we go. And she'd never outright says
• 46:39
  I'm your mom, right? So, I mean, it's unspoken,
• 46:45
  right? It's unspoken.
• 46:46
  So I don't understand how that's supposed to give us.
• 46:50
  Any indication of what the man he is today?
• 46:54
  Because of that relationship. Because if at least you would
• 46:57
  have told us or showed us that this really bothers him or this
• 47:02
  really changed him in the past to become the person that he is
• 47:06
  now, then I get that interaction between him and his mom.
• 47:11
  Maybe it's an ice cold relationship and all that, but
• 47:15
  the fact that we go to it a couple of times and we don't
• 47:18
  really get. A as a reason why it's
• 47:23
  referenced. And does it make him the man who
• 47:26
  he is? Is that?
• 47:28
  Is that the case? But more, it's just like, oh,
• 47:31
  this is just another aspect of his life that doesn't really
• 47:34
  have to do anything with. What's going on in the a story
• 47:38
  at all? I think that they had not that
• 47:42
  they had an opportunity, but they didn't take necessarily the
• 47:44
  easy route with his trauma and his back story.
• 47:51
  They like the mother. He never necessarily outright
• 47:55
  blames her, although there is tension there.
• 47:59
  And he does have stuff to work through because he's very
• 48:03
  hesitant to get involved in her life.
• 48:06
  In her case, yeah. But he knows that she needs him.
• 48:11
  He's that she's helpless and innocent in her, you know, life
• 48:16
  or whatever. And I think she does end up
• 48:20
  saying why she gave up her son, right?
• 48:24
  In like the one of the almost last episodes?
• 48:27
  I think she does, yes. I just don't remember what it
• 48:30
  was. Ohh, that's right.
• 48:31
  She was dying of lung cancer in the late 80s and she had a bad
• 48:37
  diagnosis or prognosis. And so she just gave up her son
• 48:42
  for adoption with the intention of if she gets better, she'll
• 48:47
  pick him up again, which is not how adoption works, but
• 48:52
  whatever. That's not why you put your kid
• 48:54
  in the system, but anyway. That was.
• 49:00
  The signal for him to basically forgive her because she had a
• 49:03
  good, good enough reason, I guess, to give him to give him
• 49:06
  up, which, yeah, I mean kind of kind of a good reason.
• 49:12
  Um, yeah. Impending death.
• 49:15
  Impending death. Yeah, that.
• 49:18
  You know what? Not a bad reason.
• 49:20
  That's not a bad reason to give him up.
• 49:21
  But it is very sad. Just added to the melancholy of
• 49:25
  the storyline. Melancholy.
• 49:29
  The tech goes further and further into mania, I feel,
• 49:34
  throughout the show. How did you feel about his
• 49:39
  characterization and him being the villain, and just not just
• 49:44
  his acting and portrayal, but like his motivations?
• 49:49
  Um, I. I was.
• 49:53
  I'll, I'll kick it off. So I was a little bit confused.
• 49:56
  Because they paint him as this psycho.
• 50:01
  They do great. He has killed multiple people,
• 50:05
  taken souvenirs off the bodies. He's collecting watches from the
• 50:10
  victims. And he seems kind of like a
• 50:14
  serial killer, but not not really, because all of the
• 50:18
  people that he killed, they offended him in some way.
• 50:21
  Like he's got a very short fuse. Terrible temper.
• 50:24
  Yeah, he does. I don't know.
• 50:26
  He is kind of like a serial killer.
• 50:28
  Ah, there's a vibe, there's a so there's a killer vibe to him.
• 50:33
  I and the reason why he stayed hidden and wasn't the face of
• 50:37
  the company and wasn't the true chairman.
• 50:40
  He was like the shadow chairman was because he valued his
• 50:44
  privacy and did not want to go down for any crimes that the
• 50:49
  company did. I do not blame him.
• 50:52
  That's smart. That's a smart move.
• 50:55
  Keep yourself out of like, the corporate affairs.
• 50:59
  But I think, OK, so here's what I do like, I do like that we
• 51:04
  show a character who has a quick temper, who could go like zero
• 51:11
  to 60. Immediately.
• 51:13
  And I like that in a villain because of the fact that you
• 51:17
  never know when the moment he's going to snap.
• 51:21
  Yeah, I do like that. And it it does give us a threat,
• 51:25
  and it gives us an impending threat whenever he's on screen
• 51:30
  because you never know. He's unpredictable.
• 51:32
  He's unpredictable. That could be the moment that he
• 51:36
  killed someone, or it could be the moment.
• 51:38
  Maybe he laughs it off and just moves it along.
• 51:42
  And I like that. I love when there's a bit of a
• 51:45
  chaos to a villain, right? Yeah.
• 51:50
  And maybe it's just. So maybe it's just me having
• 51:55
  this affinity for that type of character because I like like
• 51:59
  the Joker so much and like Batman, because he is chaotic,
• 52:04
  you never know how he's going to react to a situation.
• 52:07
  So I'd like that energy from a villain.
• 52:10
  So I found that to be something that I liked watching from him.
• 52:16
  So now in terms of him, kind of like not being the front of the
• 52:22
  company. But like still having kind of
• 52:24
  control and being able to like really bully his half brother
• 52:27
  and everything. Yeah, I think that was a good
• 52:30
  dynamic as well, because then you have a sympathetic character
• 52:35
  inside of the villain plot. Hmm gives us a way to be able to
• 52:41
  be like ohh if something changes here that can change the the
• 52:45
  whole outcome. And right he's a wild card.
• 52:48
  He's a wild card. So and luckily for us that's
• 52:52
  kind of what happens here. So.
• 52:55
  Overall, I really like the portrayal of the character.
• 52:58
  I'm not going to sit here and say the best villain, but I
• 53:02
  still think it's an engaging villain and enjoyable villain to
• 53:07
  watch. Here's I'll go out on a limb and
• 53:10
  say if they had tightened up the tone and made it the dark mafia
• 53:17
  thriller that they had promised us in the first sequence of the
• 53:20
  show, that this villain would have worked a lot better because
• 53:24
  they would have pared down some of the.
• 53:26
  Ridiculousness. Some of the like screaming in
• 53:28
  the car, kind of tantrums that he's throwing and really dialed
• 53:33
  it into a polished strategist and a chaotic villain.
• 53:39
  Yes, which we do get glimpses of throughout.
• 53:41
  But because of the tone of the show and the way that they kind
• 53:44
  of had him bouncing off the walls and having tantrums, the
• 53:48
  tantrums really threw me. OK, so I will agree with you,
• 53:51
  the tantrums are a little out there.
• 53:55
  They're they're a little much we don't really need to like full
• 53:59
  on thing. I think 1 tantrum is fine.
• 54:01
  Oh, true, yeah. But multiple.
• 54:04
  It starts to get into a little bit of overkill.
• 54:06
  Then you don't. Yeah, really take the character
• 54:09
  as seriously as you should, because he's constantly on a
• 54:13
  tantrum. He's a murderer, he's a
• 54:15
  murderer, he's a fiend. Like, he's dead.
• 54:21
  He's a fiend. Yeah.
• 54:24
  In episode nine, he kills the one of the prosecutors with a
• 54:26
  hockey stick. You don't see it coming.
• 54:28
  No, they don't see it coming. They don't.
• 54:30
  And they kill off a witness who was trying to make a deal with
• 54:34
  Babel and a handful of the victim.
• 54:37
  The victims family, like they killed innocent people.
• 54:41
  The ones that ended up in the in a van.
• 54:44
  And they suffocated them, essentially crazy.
• 54:49
  When as soon as that episode happened, I was like.
• 54:52
  Damn, that's cold. Cold.
• 54:54
  That's cold. Very cold.
• 54:56
  Speaking of cold, we got a quote in episode 10.
• 54:58
  Keep your heart cold. Revenge will go more smoothly
• 55:01
  that way. Oh, oh, not a bad.
• 55:04
  That's a good life. So in episode 10, we get a
• 55:09
  Netflix hallway fight. With the laundromat Taylor going
• 55:15
  apeshit on the on the hired thugs that they get.
• 55:19
  It's a second round of hired thugs as the first round was
• 55:21
  goofy, right? The second round are legitimate,
• 55:24
  yeah. And he comes at them with a pair
• 55:27
  of the shears. The shears, and just try and he
• 55:30
  starts stabbing them with the fabric shears, bro, bro.
• 55:33
  That was good. That was good.
• 55:35
  That was good. That was a good sequence.
• 55:37
  Just like those quick stabs. I'm just like, I know I'm
• 55:40
  looking. And I'm just like, oh shit, he's
• 55:42
  like really stabbing him. Yes, this is real.
• 55:46
  Blood is being spilt. Finally.
• 55:48
  Yeah, finally. But that same episode, the
• 55:53
  tenants play the Mafia game on game.
• 55:55
  Right. Oh, yeah.
• 55:57
  I forgot. They have a bunch of references
• 56:00
  to other K dramas and it's kind of a reunion.
• 56:02
  So the wrestler, Beanie Man, as I called him, and my notes, he
• 56:10
  calls one of the thugs who's in the travel agency.
• 56:14
  They're sending people in hot air balloons across borders.
• 56:19
  Do you remember, do you remember that?
• 56:20
  Yes. Yes.
• 56:20
  Yeah. That was the first round of
• 56:22
  hired thugs. Thugs.
• 56:23
  Then they become like travel agent, to quote UN quote.
• 56:26
  He calls one of those thugs appoxee to ye wannabe which is a
• 56:31
  reference to poxon Jens character in Itaewon class ohh
• 56:35
  OK who has the same God awful hairstyle.
• 56:40
  It's terrible. So that's if you had seen Ethan
• 56:43
  one class, you would be like, Oh my God, he does look like
• 56:45
  tuxedo. Yeah.
• 56:46
  I would have been able to be like ohh yeah no totally makes
• 56:48
  sense. No.
• 56:50
  Then that thugs fires back that the Beanie guy looks like a
• 56:54
  North Korean soldier. Bro, do you know who that guy
• 56:57
  is? He's part of the cloud crew.
• 56:59
  Crash landing on you. Yes.
• 57:01
  Ohh. OK.
• 57:03
  So that's OK. So that's a clear reference to
• 57:06
  the other show. OK yeah it's a reference to.
• 57:10
  Crash landing on you. So I really like when when stuff
• 57:13
  like that happens in TV. Yeah.
• 57:15
  Or just in movies where they reference another persons like
• 57:19
  show that they did somewhere else.
• 57:21
  That's always great. I love when they do that.
• 57:24
  And there's actually two people from Crash landing on you.
• 57:26
  Now that I think about it. There's the beanie guy.
• 57:29
  OK, and the Homeland Security dude?
• 57:34
  Yeah, he was also in crashing on you.
• 57:36
  He was like the insurance agent who was desperately looking for
• 57:39
  her because he didn't want her to.
• 57:41
  He didn't want any harm to come to her, right?
• 57:43
  You know, she gave him a lot of business and she was, he was
• 57:46
  really grateful for her. So two Loy alum.
• 57:50
  Yeah, two cloy alums. Yeah.
• 57:53
  Nice. What do you think of episode 11?
• 57:55
  They call him mafia corn salad. This is a gross mispronunciation
• 58:03
  of conciliary. I mean, look, this show is just.
• 58:08
  Going from town to town like I get if they're if they're doing
• 58:13
  it like in in a way of just making fun of him type of way.
• 58:17
  Yeah yeah. You know like I I get it.
• 58:20
  You know they can do it that way.
• 58:22
  But if they're not really making fun of them it's just that they
• 58:25
  can't pronounce it type of thing then it's something else.
• 58:27
  Then it's just like this is not great but if they're doing it I
• 58:32
  thought it was funny but they kept doing it though they knew
• 58:36
  what they were doing so no. Yeah.
• 58:38
  But then yeah, so then it it felt they had the banner with
• 58:41
  the corn salad. Yeah, as it kept going, I was
• 58:43
  like, you know what? This is actually not a bad joke.
• 58:49
  Ohh man so I didn't get this. The arms dealer slash lobbyist
• 58:53
  who got the good Intel for tech in Italy?
• 58:55
  Yes on vinchenzo. Vinchenzo captures them and and
• 59:00
  he goes, the guy goes, I've been tortured by like, this is a
• 59:04
  paraphrasing. He's like I've been tortured by
• 59:05
  the ruffian, the ruffian, the Russian mafia, and all these
• 59:10
  other major players. This isn't my first rodeo,
• 59:13
  essentially is what the guy says to Vinny, and Vinny says there's
• 59:17
  a limit to pain, but there's no limit to fear.
• 59:21
  And he starts playing Russian roulette with him with a like a
• 59:23
  revolver. Which you're telling me that a
• 59:27
  few rounds of Russian roulette with the revolver is scaring
• 59:30
  this guy shitless enough to for him to sing like a Canary?
• 59:34
  I think it could scare anyone because there's a difference
• 59:37
  between being tortured, right? I get being tortured is
• 59:42
  terrible. So you bought it, you bought
• 59:44
  this because I think the difference is that one.
• 59:48
  Pull the trigger and you're dead.
• 59:51
  Not tortured, you're dead. So there's a difference between
• 59:57
  being tortured for information and you withholding versus, hey,
• 1:00:02
  if you give me the information or you don't give me the
• 1:00:05
  information, you're going to be dead.
• 1:00:08
  That's a different, he was going nuts with the revolver though
• 1:00:11
  because he was also doing like A2 faced thing.
• 1:00:14
  Yeah, where he was spinning the, spinning the trigger the and
• 1:00:17
  then pointing the gun at his own head.
• 1:00:19
  Vinny was like gonna commit suicide crazy.
• 1:00:24
  Crazy. Like like you said, we saw that.
• 1:00:27
  We saw it in. We saw it in Dark, Man.
• 1:00:34
  Yo, episode 12, they have this impressions guy.
• 1:00:36
  They're dealing with someone at the old law firm.
• 1:00:40
  Man, I forgot the name of the law firm, but anyway.
• 1:00:42
  The evil law firm, right? And he's like, I want to get out
• 1:00:45
  of this law firm, whatever they're dealing with and they
• 1:00:48
  want info from him and they're like, why don't you give us
• 1:00:50
  another impersonation impression of sunkyung?
• 1:00:55
  Do you know that is? Ethan Kian.
• 1:01:00
  And he does the voice exactly like him.
• 1:01:02
  It's the guy from parasite. Ohh OK the husband with a really
• 1:01:07
  deep voice. Yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah. He does a spot on impression of
• 1:01:12
  him from parasite. Gotcha.
• 1:01:14
  And he kept he did like two or three times in the show did.
• 1:01:17
  But I I didn't. I was hoping you would catch it.
• 1:01:19
  Yeah I didn't catch it. Was hoping you would catch it.
• 1:01:21
  That's on me. Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Yeah. You someone is also from the
• 1:01:25
  drama. Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  You should have. He's also from the drama my Mr
• 1:01:29
  So we're looking for sunken and your K dramas.
• 1:01:31
  He's also from my mystery. Just in case you want to move.
• 1:01:34
  This is funny. This is a.
• 1:01:39
  The K drama the tech is watching on his TV.
• 1:01:42
  You would never get this because you don't know who 2:00 PM is,
• 1:01:45
  but he's watching a drama on the television.
• 1:01:48
  The drama is completely made-up. It's not a real K drama, right?
• 1:01:51
  It's his two bandmates from 2:00 PM's Chansung and Nickhun.
• 1:01:59
  What's funny is Nick Hoon went on a podcast A while back and he
• 1:02:04
  was talking about this this cameo that he made with Trent
• 1:02:07
  Song and he was like, yeah, tech was like.
• 1:02:11
  Ohh, come and do this, you know. Cameo for me and the show,
• 1:02:17
  whatever they're like. Yeah, yeah, sure.
• 1:02:18
  Anything for tech. So they go and they thought that
• 1:02:21
  tech was going to be in the scene with them, or at least on
• 1:02:23
  set. Never happened.
• 1:02:25
  They just showed up to do their scene.
• 1:02:26
  Tech was never there. Wow.
• 1:02:31
  Which I found hysterical. That's pretty funny.
• 1:02:33
  Definitely check out that. God, I think it was a dive
• 1:02:36
  studios thing. Maybe it was the Eric Nam
• 1:02:40
  podcasts where Nick couldn't came and talked about that
• 1:02:43
  experience of going up with chainsaw man.
• 1:02:46
  I found that hysterical that that's something I would do
• 1:02:48
  where I'd be like, yeah man, come and come and do a cameo
• 1:02:53
  scene for my show or whatever. And then I like don't show up.
• 1:02:56
  Don't show up at all. That's really don't show up to
• 1:02:59
  support your bandmates. Oh yeah, it's so good.
• 1:03:02
  Episode 13. I really liked the pig blood.
• 1:03:05
  Carrie. Ted talk.
• 1:03:07
  Where they dump a bunch of pigs. Blood on tech.
• 1:03:09
  That's good. Oh my God that was a good one.
• 1:03:11
  That's a good one. I didn't like this.
• 1:03:14
  This is when I started to lose it.
• 1:03:16
  Episode 14. The piano teacher who's also got
• 1:03:19
  a studio in Gunga Plaza, happens to be the programmer who
• 1:03:24
  designed the vault. OK, so this is my problem with
• 1:03:28
  the people. The tenants in this building,
• 1:03:31
  they all have, like, these secret past lives where they're
• 1:03:36
  all like, perfectly suited for what they need.
• 1:03:40
  Like, they got the wrestler, they got this hacker.
• 1:03:43
  That a former mixed martial artist thinking, yeah, like
• 1:03:48
  conveniently all these people live in the same exact building.
• 1:03:52
  And it it really drove me up the wall.
• 1:03:55
  Like this cannot be true. This cannot be real.
• 1:03:58
  And yet it is. Yep.
• 1:04:01
  That was the that was a moment where I'm like, OK, the show is
• 1:04:05
  going to. It's too convenient.
• 1:04:07
  It's too convenient. Yeah.
• 1:04:09
  Hey, this one person who has never demonstrated any abilities
• 1:04:13
  about this is a master at it. Yeah, so.
• 1:04:18
  So this is something that I think a lot of people.
• 1:04:21
  Have a problem with when they're watching something and then
• 1:04:26
  something is introduced out of nowhere?
• 1:04:29
  Yeah, in the middle of a story. I get that some people have a
• 1:04:33
  problem when it starts off and people have like, this amazing
• 1:04:37
  skill. That doesn't bother me because
• 1:04:39
  you're at least showing me from the very beginning.
• 1:04:42
  This person is skilled at this thing.
• 1:04:45
  Whether you find it believable or not, it doesn't matter.
• 1:04:48
  From the beginning they establish it.
• 1:04:50
  But here. Episode.
• 1:04:52
  What episode? 1414.
• 1:04:54
  And now? Yeah, is 1.
• 1:04:56
  We're gonna get ohh. By the way, she's a hacker like
• 1:04:59
  that doesn't that doesn't compute.
• 1:05:01
  But that doesn't compute. Alright.
• 1:05:03
  But yeah, yeah, I found that each reveal, each reveal for the
• 1:05:07
  incredibly adept Plaza tenants just gets more outrageous every
• 1:05:12
  time. Silly.
• 1:05:13
  And then, like, they do like that, like that plastering of
• 1:05:16
  like, they show a picture of like, their past life type of
• 1:05:20
  thing, which still like, that got to me.
• 1:05:23
  Like I started. I kind of started laughing
• 1:05:25
  because I was just like, you gotta be kidding me.
• 1:05:28
  Yeah. So the guillotine file.
• 1:05:32
  Ohh yeah, being another Mcguffin Mcguffin.
• 1:05:36
  Yeah, that along with like a bunch of gold.
• 1:05:40
  What's funny is that I think. Let me see.
• 1:05:44
  Yeah, Gunga Plaza gum means gold in Korean.
• 1:05:48
  There we go. So so Gold Plaza.
• 1:05:52
  Ohh cool. Not on the nose at all.
• 1:05:55
  Not on the nose at all. Ohh man so ohh man let's talk
• 1:06:00
  about chemistry right now. Because in episode 14 they go to
• 1:06:03
  the museum under this whole undercover thing and they kiss
• 1:06:08
  at the museum they do. And there's like this proposal
• 1:06:12
  that they walked into. They had no idea that the couple
• 1:06:15
  they were masquerading as were coming for a proposal.
• 1:06:19
  What did you think of this whole scene?
• 1:06:21
  Um, the scene, I mean worked for me.
• 1:06:26
  It worked, it worked. I think it's good.
• 1:06:30
  I think we need at the moment where they finally kissed.
• 1:06:34
  So. Important for a show.
• 1:06:38
  You know for me, like if you're going to have a, you know,
• 1:06:41
  flirtation, romance between 2 characters.
• 1:06:45
  Make sure you build it out and get to that moment where they
• 1:06:48
  finally kiss, because they need to get there, they need to get
• 1:06:52
  there. So I'm glad it's not one of
• 1:06:55
  those things where they like wait till like the end of the
• 1:06:57
  show. You need to know you need to
• 1:07:00
  have that tension. That tension has to be there.
• 1:07:02
  OK, I didn't feel much tension. Throughout the show.
• 1:07:06
  But they did have that one scene where she was like, I think I'm,
• 1:07:09
  I caught feelings for you, but I don't know.
• 1:07:11
  And she was kind of drunk. And then she was like, let me
• 1:07:13
  see if I have feelings for you. She gets up and hugs him.
• 1:07:18
  And you can tell that he's caught feelings, yes?
• 1:07:21
  And then she's like, Oh no, I was mistaken.
• 1:07:24
  And it's just, you know. I didn't definitely didn't catch
• 1:07:28
  feelings for you exactly. And that's a I found out funny.
• 1:07:32
  It was funny. A funny sequence there, but you
• 1:07:35
  know that it's gonna. Progress.
• 1:07:38
  Kind of progress. Hmm.
• 1:07:40
  So I thought ohh, go for it. No, no, go ahead.
• 1:07:43
  Go right ahead. OK.
• 1:07:45
  I was gonna talk about the pigeons.
• 1:07:47
  Because. We we had episode 15, but OK.
• 1:07:53
  A horde of angry pigeons assails the mafia assassins like
• 1:07:57
  something out of a Hitchcock movie.
• 1:07:59
  Yeah, that, and it's awful. I hated it.
• 1:08:01
  It was awful. Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah. I thought we were going to get
• 1:08:04
  past that without even talking about it.
• 1:08:06
  Ohh. Uh, no, no.
• 1:08:13
  Yeah no. Then we get a Lord the rings
• 1:08:15
  reference from tech. He's I think he's talking about
• 1:08:17
  the guillotine file. He says 1 ring to rule them all
• 1:08:20
  my precious. Oh my God.
• 1:08:22
  But yes he is talking about the guillotine file at that moment.
• 1:08:25
  Yeah, doesn't really work. Righteous prosecutor that they
• 1:08:30
  were teaming up with for a couple of episodes portrays
• 1:08:32
  them. He was just after something big
• 1:08:33
  enough to barter his way up the chain, you know, that was a
• 1:08:37
  given. Yeah, they had this whole
• 1:08:39
  analogy before where they're talking about is this apple
• 1:08:42
  rotten if one side is fine and the other side is a little bit
• 1:08:46
  rotten, is the whole apple rotten?
• 1:08:48
  Talking about the prosecution service and the legal, you know,
• 1:08:51
  system here in Korea and the guy was like, no, it's not rotten or
• 1:08:57
  whatever. And they were just trying to
• 1:08:58
  make a point. Like they can't trust him,
• 1:09:00
  right? Because he's part of the
• 1:09:01
  problem. He's in the prosecution service,
• 1:09:03
  which is bought off by the Babel, so he ends up turning
• 1:09:08
  turning bad. Not surprising at all.
• 1:09:11
  Not surprising at all. No, no surprise.
• 1:09:14
  I think the final four episodes are pretty good.
• 1:09:17
  Yes, I was gonna say we can jump into the final four and the
• 1:09:21
  finale sequence. Yeah, sequences of episodes.
• 1:09:24
  Because tech kills his mom in episode 16.
• 1:09:29
  They got some brute straight out of prison to stranglehold.
• 1:09:31
  They're poor. The poor frail woman couldn't
• 1:09:33
  fight back. She was dying of pancreatic
• 1:09:36
  cancer. I mean, it was despicable.
• 1:09:39
  And. Tech is shown dancing with the
• 1:09:41
  lawyer Ajima, gloating and laughing like it's just like
• 1:09:46
  terrible. Terrible person, really sinister
• 1:09:48
  stuff. Speaking of the lawyer, Ajima.
• 1:09:53
  I think that there was sexual tension between Technion and
• 1:10:01
  Troy Mungi. The lawyer oh, what do you say
• 1:10:05
  to that? Hmm.
• 1:10:10
  I can kind of see it. I can kind of, you can kind of,
• 1:10:13
  I can kind of see it. I was like, what is this?
• 1:10:15
  What is this feeling between tech and the lawyer, hajima?
• 1:10:21
  I'm just like, what is this here?
• 1:10:24
  There was like a not just a camaraderie, but like kind of an
• 1:10:27
  understanding because they're both dirty, they're both awful.
• 1:10:31
  And it goes beyond him being her superior or her boss or
• 1:10:36
  whatever. They kind of start to even the
• 1:10:38
  playing field. Between them.
• 1:10:40
  The, you know, distance between their positions and they kind of
• 1:10:44
  see eye to eye and they start working together and their
• 1:10:48
  scenes together start getting a little more intimate.
• 1:10:51
  I feel like those, you know like I just OK, I was wondering if
• 1:10:56
  that was just me thinking there was there was some tension in
• 1:11:00
  the room. OK, I agree.
• 1:11:04
  Episode 18 they introduced another major villain player
• 1:11:09
  late in the game with the presidential candidates, right.
• 1:11:11
  I hate. What was this?
• 1:11:14
  Yeah, I hate when you introduce someone way too late in the
• 1:11:17
  game. Yeah.
• 1:11:19
  This is ridiculous. And this is what happened. 2
• 1:11:21
  episodes left. Yo, dude, it's happened in other
• 1:11:25
  shows where like, they. I think that's bad writing.
• 1:11:27
  It's terrible, right? It's like, it's bad.
• 1:11:29
  How do we introduce this plot point or whatever?
• 1:11:32
  It's like, well, we can introduce it with these
• 1:11:34
  characters we already have. Let's just bring someone new.
• 1:11:38
  Doesn't make that. Goes to show that this could
• 1:11:40
  have been cut down to 16 episodes.
• 1:11:42
  Easy. Yes.
• 1:11:43
  Another reason. Easy.
• 1:11:45
  Yes. Yeah.
• 1:11:46
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:11:48
  We digress. Tech is in jail because Vinnie
• 1:11:50
  backed him into a corner and he thought with for protection,
• 1:11:53
  I'll just go in jail so Vinnie doesn't kill me.
• 1:11:56
  He ends up walking right into a trap because that's what Benny
• 1:11:59
  wanted, that's what he wanted. And it's really not until
• 1:12:03
  episode 19 where we see the full might of the Vincenzo Cassano
• 1:12:10
  family where it's revealed because we have another hallway
• 1:12:15
  fight Ala Netflix the Plaza. Residents are all former
• 1:12:19
  athletes of some kind, and they had applicable fighting skills.
• 1:12:23
  MMA, Wrestling, and all this other stuff.
• 1:12:26
  Just like, yeah, weightlifting, weightlifting, yeah, well, just
• 1:12:30
  so many. Different magically having the
• 1:12:35
  ability to. Everyone's a superhero.
• 1:12:37
  I thought this was kind of like ohh, they're all superheroes.
• 1:12:39
  Yeah, they're pretty much you. Avengers have assembled.
• 1:12:42
  Yeah, bomb. That's the only thing that was
• 1:12:46
  missing when they come down the hallway.
• 1:12:51
  We should recut it with The Avengers theme.
• 1:12:55
  Ohh man. Ohh.
• 1:12:56
  That would be OK. So we're not we're not liking
• 1:13:00
  it, but we'll take it. Episode 20, Chai Hong.
• 1:13:03
  Chau Hong. Oh my God, I'm having such a
• 1:13:06
  tough time remembering her name. Chai Young Cha young, OK, she
• 1:13:10
  gets shot. And I thought, oh, they're going
• 1:13:14
  to. I honestly thought for a second,
• 1:13:17
  what do you think? They were going to kill her off
• 1:13:19
  and there was like gonna be a. Bad ending for that romance and
• 1:13:22
  for just that, that where you think they won.
• 1:13:26
  And then at the end there was like that final retribution from
• 1:13:30
  the villains. I thought they were going to do
• 1:13:34
  it. I didn't see her dying, but I
• 1:13:38
  did see her definitely getting hurt because she'd been
• 1:13:41
  unscathed this whole time. Makes sense.
• 1:13:43
  Yeah. Even Vinchenzo was in a coma
• 1:13:45
  and, like, recovered. Yeah, perfectly fine.
• 1:13:47
  But whatever. He got hurt.
• 1:13:50
  The younger brother, the half brother actually died.
• 1:13:54
  He's the one that dies. I thought that he would have,
• 1:13:59
  wouldn't survive. I thought he might have
• 1:14:01
  survived, but he outright died. I felt awful.
• 1:14:04
  That was so emotional for me to see him go.
• 1:14:07
  Yeah, that was because he was such an endearing character.
• 1:14:10
  Like he turned out to be someone you could root for.
• 1:14:13
  Exactly. And that that's the big deal, is
• 1:14:15
  that he was the lone green growing out of a bad situation.
• 1:14:24
  Corrupt. Yeah.
• 1:14:26
  So atmosphere seeing that, not being rewarded.
• 1:14:31
  Was a bit heartbreaking, for sure.
• 1:14:33
  Yeah. Especially after they kind of
• 1:14:34
  made it seem like he found a brother in Vinny and that Vinny
• 1:14:39
  was a surrogate family. Yeah, for him.
• 1:14:43
  Somebody. And that was terrible.
• 1:14:45
  And yeah, work with and everything.
• 1:14:47
  Yeah, that. That was someone who wasn't
• 1:14:49
  gonna belittle him and abuse him and bully him.
• 1:14:52
  Exactly. Make him think he was going to
• 1:14:54
  die at all this stuff. He's just.
• 1:14:56
  Yeah, that was a painful, brutal.
• 1:14:58
  People lost for the show. Then we get a lot of off of off
• 1:15:03
  things in this last episode because there is a giant
• 1:15:06
  reckoning, reckoning which finally happens.
• 1:15:09
  Bang Bang bang. The corrupt prosecutor who we
• 1:15:12
  referred to prior, he gets his ass dumped off a roof.
• 1:15:17
  The chief prosecutor, who's now the chief prosecutor, he was the
• 1:15:21
  lawyer with glasses, that man. He got shanked on the steps of
• 1:15:26
  the courthouse, bled all over the stone in front of the camera
• 1:15:30
  crew that. Was there.
• 1:15:31
  I mean it was very graphic. I found with like the blood,
• 1:15:35
  like dripping down the steps and stuff.
• 1:15:37
  I was like, Oh my God, they they really went after it in this
• 1:15:40
  final episode of just like really just upping it up.
• 1:15:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. They upped the ante a bit.
• 1:15:47
  They did, yeah. And served it back finally to
• 1:15:50
  the villains and the lawyer, Ojima.
• 1:15:53
  What do you think of her? Comeuppance.
• 1:15:54
  Because he. Kidnapped her.
• 1:15:59
  Tighter to a chair. Barefoot.
• 1:16:01
  Yep. He had already done something to
• 1:16:03
  her feet. It looked like, yeah, there was
• 1:16:06
  her barefoot. Yeah, there was something that
• 1:16:08
  he did. She her.
• 1:16:09
  She was already bleeding and in pain from her feet.
• 1:16:13
  Then he said he was going to make her dance.
• 1:16:15
  And I thought, Oh my God, what is he going to do?
• 1:16:17
  Signature Vinny Pyro move. He lights her ass on fire.
• 1:16:21
  Lights are on fire. Ohh.
• 1:16:23
  And I was like. Well, how?
• 1:16:26
  Well, if you think about back in the court case, he kind of lets
• 1:16:32
  them like kind of. Get out of it like they win the
• 1:16:36
  court case, right? But the people that he wants
• 1:16:40
  specific retribution on, they don't get like the full
• 1:16:45
  comeuppance of the law. They get to come up dance of
• 1:16:48
  vinchenzo. Yes.
• 1:16:51
  And that's what he really wanted.
• 1:16:52
  He wanted them to suffer the way he he wanted them to suffer.
• 1:16:57
  Yeah. And I love that aspect of the
• 1:16:59
  show where he's repeatedly like if I wanted you dead, I would
• 1:17:02
  have killed you. I would have killed you by now.
• 1:17:04
  I would have killed you. I.
• 1:17:06
  And what was his nickname? They said he said his nickname
• 1:17:08
  was like Cat Gotham or something because he always plays with his
• 1:17:13
  food like a cat does. Yeah.
• 1:17:16
  Yeah. But and that's what he was doing
• 1:17:18
  the whole thing. You last few episodes.
• 1:17:20
  Just toying with them, toying with them.
• 1:17:21
  He wouldn't like. He would kill everyone around
• 1:17:24
  them just to show like. I'm not going to kill you yet,
• 1:17:28
  because you deserve something worse and stuff like that.
• 1:17:31
  This is worse. Definitely worse.
• 1:17:33
  Actually worse. The Olympic wrestler, the Beanie
• 1:17:37
  Man, he got full on, stabbed in the chest.
• 1:17:40
  Yes, he did. And while he was gasping for
• 1:17:42
  breath, what does he do? He asked Vinnie to be the
• 1:17:45
  godfather of his baby. Come on.
• 1:17:50
  The godfather. Come on.
• 1:17:53
  Come on, come on. Then he finally gets tech in a
• 1:18:00
  Russian mafia torture device like something out of saw yeah
• 1:18:04
  ohh the movie The movie franchise.
• 1:18:06
  And tech starts begging, begging for his life or for him to just
• 1:18:11
  shoot him. Yeah, and Vinny even takes his
• 1:18:14
  watch as a trophy, takes tachyons watch as a trophy and
• 1:18:19
  just walks off. He's like, yeah, every 5 minutes
• 1:18:22
  this thing's going to start drilling into your body and
• 1:18:24
  you're going to die a very painful death.
• 1:18:25
  And I was like, whoa, he was messing around.
• 1:18:31
  He wasn't messing around, dude. He wasn't messing around.
• 1:18:36
  Yeah, I do like that. They show tech like the next day
• 1:18:41
  and he looks really weak and bloodied up and there's this
• 1:18:45
  crow there that starts pecking at his body.
• 1:18:49
  Why did I think of the lighthouse?
• 1:18:53
  Tell me why I thought of the lighthouse with Robert Pattinson
• 1:18:56
  and Oh my God, what's his name? William dofo.
• 1:19:01
  Oh my God. Yeah, yeah I can.
• 1:19:05
  It's very Greek tragedy of them. Ohh.
• 1:19:08
  I guess another thing it kind of reminds me of is when I well
• 1:19:12
  this is like a Game of Thrones thing where.
• 1:19:17
  Villain finally like gets his comeuppance and he's like tied
• 1:19:20
  to a chair and he's already bloodied and everything from
• 1:19:23
  like the battle in the war and as a last fu to him.
• 1:19:30
  Like they release his hounds. And they're like, yeah, would
• 1:19:34
  never like bite me then whatever.
• 1:19:37
  It's like they haven't eaten watch days.
• 1:19:41
  How loyal is that for going to really be?
• 1:19:44
  And so then just before like they show the dog attack.
• 1:19:49
  Like they cut away to Sophie Turner's reaction and she like
• 1:19:55
  kind of like in disgust, kind of like turns, but then she like
• 1:19:58
  turns back and watches it all like pleasure, like it.
• 1:20:04
  Yeah, it's really good. Damn.
• 1:20:08
  Damn. Well, one thing that I liked
• 1:20:10
  about the show is that they did this more and more throughout
• 1:20:13
  towards, especially in the last few episodes as they were kind
• 1:20:15
  of taking a page out of the Ocean's 11 playbook where they
• 1:20:19
  showed some of the planning, yes, but when it came to the
• 1:20:22
  execution, they showed the final product, which was extraordinary
• 1:20:25
  and shocking, and then backed up and showed you how they pulled
• 1:20:28
  it off for real. I like when when movies and
• 1:20:32
  shows do that. Show us the planning, then the
• 1:20:35
  end result. Yeah.
• 1:20:37
  And then go back and show us how the end result actually went
• 1:20:39
  through. That's really, yeah, I love that
• 1:20:42
  device as a way of like explaining a story.
• 1:20:46
  That's a really good way of going about it.
• 1:20:48
  Yeah, so they did that in the later episodes, especially um.
• 1:20:53
  He gets out of Korea, he's got, you know, bounty on his head,
• 1:20:56
  whatever, the governments after him.
• 1:20:58
  And he ends up sneaking back into Korea after a year.
• 1:21:02
  And he tells Chiung, Oh my God, if I get her name wrong.
• 1:21:06
  One child. Yeah, it is triune.
• 1:21:08
  You got it. OK he tells her that he took
• 1:21:11
  over the family and he bought an island off Malta and he missed
• 1:21:15
  her. And she ends up scoffing at
• 1:21:18
  that, that she that he missed her.
• 1:21:20
  And so to prove that he missed her, he kisses her and they
• 1:21:23
  make. Out on the stairs and I have in
• 1:21:24
  my notes. Love it.
• 1:21:29
  Love it. No, it was a good.
• 1:21:32
  Love that for them it was a good sequence.
• 1:21:34
  Yes, yes. Yeah, it was good.
• 1:21:36
  It was good. Now I don't know how to feel
• 1:21:39
  about the final voiceover cuz he says he used three family
• 1:21:44
  members from a different Mafia family as fertilizer for his
• 1:21:48
  vineyard. He doesn't care about justice
• 1:21:51
  since justice is weak and empty. If justice was merciless, then
• 1:21:56
  he'd yield to it. He swears he's still a villain.
• 1:22:00
  And the final line of the whole show is evil is prevalent and
• 1:22:04
  vehement, which is delivered in Italian, right?
• 1:22:09
  I don't mind him showing himself as, yeah, I am a villain, I
• 1:22:16
  don't mind it right because at the end of the day, like he
• 1:22:20
  still has like that mafia connection to him.
• 1:22:24
  You know, he still has like that influence of mafia in him.
• 1:22:28
  So yeah, I don't. I don't see a problem.
• 1:22:32
  I thought that it would be a little.
• 1:22:36
  I don't know. I thought it would be a mixed
• 1:22:38
  tone, just like the rest of the show.
• 1:22:40
  This went full dark, like this was the tone that I wanted
• 1:22:43
  throughout the whole show. Like I wanted a fucking noir.
• 1:22:46
  Yes. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:48
  I know. That's what I wanted.
• 1:22:49
  This wasn't, and it wasn't. OK.
• 1:22:51
  This wasn't that. But the ending had a noir
• 1:22:53
  ending, so to speak. It did, you know.
• 1:22:57
  Yeah. And so I can understand it.
• 1:22:59
  So if you look at the show bookend, so if you look at the
• 1:23:03
  very beginning and the very end, and that is the only thing you
• 1:23:06
  saw, you would assume that the show, the entire show was a
• 1:23:09
  noir. And it doesn't really go that
• 1:23:12
  way. Throughout the show, the show
• 1:23:15
  changes into something completely different.
• 1:23:18
  So I get the weird tonal shift and kind of like the
• 1:23:22
  disappointment of the way it ends, like in that regard,
• 1:23:26
  because they never. Completes its promise on what we
• 1:23:30
  thought it would be. Hmm.
• 1:23:32
  And then it rubs it in your face with the ending.
• 1:23:36
  So I get it OK. But I liked it.
• 1:23:41
  I liked it. I liked the show overall.
• 1:23:43
  Anyway. Overall, I like the show.
• 1:23:45
  I think it's a good show. I have come to the end of my
• 1:23:47
  notes. What else did you have to say?
• 1:23:49
  Ohh Cadillac product placement. Yep, evidently everyone in Korea
• 1:23:54
  has catalogs, of course. Of course they do.
• 1:23:57
  Also fun product placement with the Coco Copaco coffee tablets.
• 1:24:04
  I particularly laughed when someone was like they wake me
• 1:24:06
  up. Did they give you that from
• 1:24:10
  coffee? Kopiko.
• 1:24:11
  Kopiko is that they say they must have just like yeah ohh,
• 1:24:16
  they wake you up. OK, Umm, terrible.
• 1:24:20
  It feels like in Truman show when they're having an argument
• 1:24:24
  and then she has like the commercial and he just goes
• 1:24:27
  where? Who are you talking to?
• 1:24:30
  Who are you talking to? That's literally how I feel when
• 1:24:32
  the product placement is over. I that.
• 1:24:35
  I defer to that in my head. I'm just like who are you
• 1:24:38
  talking to? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:24:39
  Truman Show, who are you talking about?
• 1:24:43
  That's a good one. Ohh man.
• 1:24:46
  Alright, on the show itself, I don't think I have anything else
• 1:24:53
  I do like. I mean everybody was dressed so
• 1:24:56
  well throughout the show. I mean the main players and the
• 1:25:00
  Boo rauru Rove suits that were on Vincenzo Sharps on Vincenzo.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, great stuff. Just great stuff.
• 1:25:12
  We're doing the Italians like, yeah.
• 1:25:16
  Just hand gesture. What is that?
• 1:25:18
  What do you call that? Oh my God.
• 1:25:21
  I don't know what the hand gesture, it's definitely it's
• 1:25:24
  like the hand gesture that goes with like chef's kids, like it
• 1:25:27
  goes with chef's kiss and yeah exactly.
• 1:25:32
  Yeah. So that hand gesture, I mean, he
• 1:25:35
  is Vincenzo Cassano. Yeah.
• 1:25:38
  So it goes well with it. So, yeah, yeah, overall, good
• 1:25:41
  show. Yeah, wish there was more noir.
• 1:25:46
  Wish there was a little more serious tone throughout the
• 1:25:50
  show. I don't mind injecting some
• 1:25:52
  comedy, but not like at all these different weird levels
• 1:25:57
  that it did. So yeah, so I think this shows
• 1:26:03
  good. It's a good show.
• 1:26:04
  Where would you rank it? Where did you say you would rank
• 1:26:06
  it? Four or five?
• 1:26:07
  I want to say like 4K5 on my cage dramas because there's
• 1:26:10
  other ones that I watched thoroughly, but when I think
• 1:26:13
  about them like, I lost a little bit.
• 1:26:16
  For them you know. So this one I think I had a good
• 1:26:20
  spot like #5, but I gotta look at the shows again because my
• 1:26:26
  clear number one is signal. It is.
• 1:26:31
  You love saying that. It was a great show.
• 1:26:33
  You're like, Yep, I thought it was a great show.
• 1:26:36
  So. But yeah, nice.
• 1:26:40
  Alright, I think that's all we have for vinchenzo.
• 1:26:44
  Yeah, I think we went through the show.
• 1:26:46
  Pretty well. We gave it a thorough rundown.
• 1:26:49
  Yes we did. It was.
• 1:26:51
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:52
  Anyway, I think we're just going to get out of here.
• 1:26:54
  Rigo, please say a word to everyone who is wishing you well
• 1:26:58
  and loves to hear you on the show.
• 1:27:01
  Ohh. Yeah, of course.
• 1:27:02
  So thank you to everyone who has supported the show who has asked
• 1:27:09
  about me and me being off the show for such a long time.
• 1:27:14
  Health was part of it, but also. My my job kind of keeps me away
• 1:27:19
  from this part of this, from this part of the aspect of
• 1:27:23
  always the critics. So again, much appreciated.
• 1:27:25
  Thank you for all the support that you show Jessica on daybook
• 1:27:30
  for showing us support on always a critic.
• 1:27:33
  Overall it is something that it does not go unnoticed.
• 1:27:38
  So thank you and we appreciate you guys.
• 1:27:43
  Yes. All right.
• 1:27:45
  Thanks, Rico. I'm so upset that this is pretty
• 1:27:48
  much it for season 3 for you, but I'll be back for more next
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  week. As you all know, that's been our
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  show. I'm Jessica, and this has been
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  the ATC percent stepback rambles podcast.
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  Channeling. And shut up.
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  Oh damn, man. Don't know.
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  Vocal stand. Song.
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  Boy, if we die. Man, it's like a ghost.
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  OK. Stop.
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  Dance song. Nobody.
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  The same. It's a non demented.
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  Shut up. Shut up, man.
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  She lives. It is.
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  Send.