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Shocking details! Search warrants reveal Jennifer Dulos afraid for her life, hubby Fotis Dulos tried to run her over with car. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: A gorgeous young mom disappears, leaving five children in the
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Speaker 1: care of her mother. Why the mom because the husband,
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Speaker 1: vote Is Dulos, is suspected in connection with her disappearance
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Speaker 1: after he and his lawyer dragged Jennifer Dulo's reputation through
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Speaker 1: the mud. Now new blood evidence emerges. Eight hundred previously
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Speaker 1: sealed pages of evidence. We've gotten our mits on it.
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Speaker 1: From pools of blood to a bloody cell phone and
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Speaker 1: iPad in Jennifer Dulos's bedroom to a cup of warm
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Speaker 1: tea and an open granola bar on the kitchen counter.
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Speaker 1: What happened to Jennifer Dulos, I mean it's he Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Jennifer disappeared on May twenty
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Speaker 1: fourth after dropping her kids off at school. Authorities believe
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Speaker 1: she was the victim of a serious physical assault, discovering
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Speaker 1: bloodstains in her garage. A couple was locked in a
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Speaker 1: vicious divorce and custody battle, Jennifer claiming in twenty seventeen
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Speaker 1: court documents, I am terrified for my family's safety. He
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Speaker 1: is dangerous. Fotis Dulo's strongly denying any threatening behavior. Fotis
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Speaker 1: and his living girlfriend, Michelle Traconis both out on bail
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Speaker 1: after pleading not guilty to charges of evidence tampering and
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Speaker 1: hindering prosecution. According to arrest warrants, surveillance video from the
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Speaker 1: night Jennifer went missing captured two people police suspect to
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Speaker 1: be Fotis and Traconis, tossing bags, including a bloodstained sponge,
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Speaker 1: into trash cans around Hartford, Connecticut. You are hearing our
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Speaker 1: friends at ABC that was Witt Johnson. And for somebody
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Speaker 1: like me and like many of you, it's just a
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Speaker 1: field day to go through blood evidence, spatter or dropping
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Speaker 1: his fingerprints, trace DNA surveillance. Just the extravaganza of looking
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Speaker 1: at forensic evidence is very luring. But I want to
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Speaker 1: remind everybody as we enter into this hour, there are
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Speaker 1: five children without a mother. This morning, when I dropped
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Speaker 1: the children off at drop off at school, knowing that
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Speaker 1: I was about to be with doctor Bethany Marshall and
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Bobby Chico, Wendy Patrick, Laura Ingall, I
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Speaker 1: thought about as I drove away, what if I never
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Speaker 1: saw my children again in life? What if they never
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Speaker 1: saw me again in life, never got to hug them,
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Speaker 1: never got to kiss them, never got to pack their
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Speaker 1: snacks for school or watch their games. What if just
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Speaker 1: like that and otherwise normal morning, and they never see
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Speaker 1: mommy again. And not only that, when they are old
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Speaker 1: enough to look at the Internet, they will see claims
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Speaker 1: that mommy was crazy, that mommy was hiding out with
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Speaker 1: a boyfriend, that mommy committed suicide, that mommy abandoned them.
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Speaker 1: Think about that. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, even in the last hours.
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Speaker 1: The case is changing with me an all star panel,
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My
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Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, Bobby Chicon, former special
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Speaker 1: agent FBI, star of Facebook watch series Curse of Acacre,
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Speaker 1: well known California prosecutor, author of Red Flags. You can
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Speaker 1: find her at Wendy Patrick, PhD. Not Bragging, Not Bragging
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Speaker 1: dot com Wendy Patrick. But right now to Fox News
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Speaker 1: National correspondent on the case from the beginning in the
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Speaker 1: Dulos mansion, Laura Ingle Laura, is it true that the
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Speaker 1: defense wants a probable cause hearing? Yep. Not only do
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Speaker 1: they want a probable cause hearing, they say they are
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Speaker 1: looking forward to getting into that courtroom to ask a
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Speaker 1: judge how they can possibly charge go to Stulos with murder.
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Speaker 1: They want to know what probable cause investigators have. Okay,
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Speaker 1: maybe I'm crazy, Laura, but didn't I hear the medical
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Speaker 1: examiners say that there was so much blood, pools of blood,
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Speaker 1: like you take a gallon of meal and he just
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Speaker 1: poured on the ground. Joe's goot, Morgan, how much blood
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Speaker 1: is in the body? How much blood do we have?
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Speaker 1: Do we have a gallon? Do we have five gallons? Yeah? Right,
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Speaker 1: at right at about two gallons in the body, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: And gallons that's it? Yeah too. I think of a gallon.
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Speaker 1: If you've got copious amounts of blood, which is a
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Speaker 1: large amount, and that's generally how it's going to be described.
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Speaker 1: You know that something nasty is afoot, You know that
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Speaker 1: great harm has come to somebody, Because I gotta tell you, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't just appear by magic. Well, Laura Ingle, Fox
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Speaker 1: needs a national correspondent, the MA said at all, although
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Speaker 1: I think he was pussy footing around when he said
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Speaker 1: there's not the amounts of blood indicate a non survivable injury.
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Speaker 1: Why not just call it like it is. Don't put
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Speaker 1: perfume on the pig. Jennifer is dead. That's what that means,
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Speaker 1: non survival. She's dead. Okay, Laura, what's the latest? So
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Speaker 1: the latest? A couple of things have happened this week.
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Speaker 1: Investigators have finally released the search warrants that were issued
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Speaker 1: last year in the summer, and we're talking four hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty nine pages. There are a couple of highlights
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Speaker 1: of new information in here that we did not know.
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Speaker 1: We are learning how investigators have been piecing together their
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Speaker 1: case as we look through the pages of the search warrants.
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Speaker 1: A couple of highlights include a list of several potential
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Speaker 1: physical altercations between photos Dulos and his then wife Jennifer.
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Speaker 1: In these incidents happen in twenty seventeen. Remember, as we
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Speaker 1: rewind the story, Jennifer and photos Duelos are going through
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Speaker 1: this contentious, bitter custody and divorce battle for the five children,
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Speaker 1: and in the search warrants. We learn from the nanny,
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Speaker 1: Lauren Almietta, who is currently still with the children from
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Speaker 1: all the reports we've had, that she is helping the
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Speaker 1: grandmother with these five children in New York City in
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Speaker 1: the grandmother's apartment. In June of twenty seventeen, she states
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Speaker 1: that she went out to the driveway and found Jennifer
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Speaker 1: crying after she had just been talking to Fotus, and
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Speaker 1: Jennifer said that her husband Photos had tried to hit
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Speaker 1: her with his vehicle and she had to jump out
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Speaker 1: of the way. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait
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Speaker 1: wait wait. You know, Laura angel I got so carried
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Speaker 1: away just listening to you. It's just it's more than
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Speaker 1: as a prosecutor when I would try a murder case.
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Speaker 1: This is enough evidence for three murder cases. Now, let
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Speaker 1: me understand this. The babysitter says that she saw, as
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Speaker 1: I understand it, Jennifer Dulos crying, where after Fotus Dulos
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Speaker 1: tried to run her over with his vehicle in the
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Speaker 1: family driveway. That's what she told police. But let me
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Speaker 1: give you the other side of the coin here really quick.
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Speaker 1: Because Photus's sister, Rina, who we have met, is now
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Speaker 1: back in Greece, she told the Hartford Current that she
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Speaker 1: was actually in the vehicle with her brother when this
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Speaker 1: alleged incident occurred, and said, in fact, and she says too,
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Speaker 1: that the children were in the vehicle, and said her
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Speaker 1: brother did not try to run over Jennifer. In fact,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer jumped in front of the car to stop them,
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Speaker 1: and that's why. And the kids in the car started laughing,
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Speaker 1: she says, because they thought their mother was making a joke.
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Speaker 1: So there's another side of you know, their side of
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Speaker 1: the story, and said her brother isn't violent and you know,
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Speaker 1: had absolutely no reason to try to run her over.
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Speaker 1: He was just simply trying to leave and it was
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Speaker 1: Jennifer who jumps in front of the car. So that's
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Speaker 1: their version of the story. Okay, let me understand something else.
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Speaker 1: What about the claim by the same babysitter that Fotus
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Speaker 1: Dulos was chasing Jennifer Dulos through the home, screaming her,
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Speaker 1: pounding on the door once she locked herself, I guess
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Speaker 1: in a bathroom and he did not realize that they
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Speaker 1: were there and that they saw what happened. Right, This
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Speaker 1: is another account in twenty seventeen, Lauren Almietta is in
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Speaker 1: a room with one of the five duo's children. She
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Speaker 1: reports to police, she's, you know, kind of painting a
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Speaker 1: picture of what life was like while they were going
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Speaker 1: through the divorce and while they were in the marital home.
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Speaker 1: This is the home that we did our interview in
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Speaker 1: December twentieth of twenty nineteen, and it is a large home.
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Speaker 1: It is ten thousand square feet, so we don't know
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Speaker 1: how long she had been running through the house, but
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Speaker 1: she apparently runs up the stairs and it's a beautiful
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Speaker 1: large staircase and goes into a room. She says, Fotus
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Speaker 1: is chasing her, screaming, she runs in. She barricades herself
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Speaker 1: out of breath, bracing herself trying to get him from
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Speaker 1: coming in. And once he does get into the room,
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Speaker 1: he looks around, she says, and realizes that the nanny
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Speaker 1: and a child is there and calms down. And when
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Speaker 1: asked why didn't she call the police Lauren Almietta, the
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Speaker 1: nanny says she was terrified of him and was afraid
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Speaker 1: that he was going to take the children permanently to
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Speaker 1: his homeland of Greece. That is another tale that we
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Speaker 1: see repeated in the divorce and custody papers long ago
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Speaker 1: that she was always afraid that he was going to
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Speaker 1: take those children forever and take them away. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our friend at Fox sixty one terse. Dating
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Speaker 1: back to twenty seventeen, when their contentious divorce and custody
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Speaker 1: proceedings began, Jennifer Dulos confided in her babysitter, Lauren Almida
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Speaker 1: that she was scared of Photus Dulos. According to the
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Speaker 1: search warrants released today, Jennifer Dulos told Almida that Photus
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Speaker 1: Dulos tried to run her over with a vehicle during
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Speaker 1: in August twenty seventeenth argument after the couple had split up,
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Speaker 1: and police say Almita confirmed that several times she witnessed
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Speaker 1: altercations between Jennifer and Photus. One such incident occurred at
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Speaker 1: their Jefferson Crossing home when Jennifer was being chased around
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Speaker 1: the house by Photus until she ran into their bedroom,
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Speaker 1: slammed the door, and stood up against the door. One
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Speaker 1: of her children and Almida watched, and according to Almida,
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Speaker 1: Jennifer said Fotus had threatened to take the children to Greece.
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Speaker 1: Permanently crime stories with Nancy Grace. The court documents indicate
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Speaker 1: the last time Jennifer Dulos used her phone was at
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Speaker 1: seven fifty seven in the morning last May twenty fourth,
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Speaker 1: to text Almida. That was right around the time she
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Speaker 1: had dropped her five children off at school. She then
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Speaker 1: returned to her new Canean home, where police theorized Photus
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Speaker 1: Dulos was lying in wait in her garage. Back in June,
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Speaker 1: after the first arrests of Michelle Traconis and Dulos's attorney
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Speaker 1: Norm Pattis said his phone records will show that there's
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Speaker 1: no way he could have been involved in the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of his estranged wife, Jennifer Dulos. But in today's documents
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Speaker 1: that were released, investigators said they don't have any evidence
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Speaker 1: that would clear Photus Dulos. You're hearing our friends at
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Speaker 1: Fox sixty one that was Tony Terzi. What I don't
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Speaker 1: understand is maybe I'm wrong, Laura Ingol, Fox needs National correspondent.
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Speaker 1: Did Jennifer Dulos have a trao against Photus Dulos. There
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Speaker 1: was a lot of information in the divorce and custody
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Speaker 1: paperwork that we saw that there was she had gone
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Speaker 1: to the family court judge and asked for protection. She
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Speaker 1: states in her divorce papers, I know that by filing
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Speaker 1: for divorce, he will try to harm me in some way.
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Speaker 1: He has often mentioned sick revenge fantasy. These to me,
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Speaker 1: I am terrified. Those are the words that we saw
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Speaker 1: long ago. They from what we can gather from these
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Speaker 1: court documents, there was to be a court appointed guardian
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Speaker 1: of some kind that I don't remember the name of it,
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Speaker 1: but they had. They always had somebody there to watch
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Speaker 1: Potus Dulos visiting the children. There was they were not
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Speaker 1: supposed to talk to each other as far as tr
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure the status of that, but I know
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Speaker 1: that every time that Fotus was around his children there
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Speaker 1: had to be it was a court supervised visit every
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Speaker 1: single time. They were never together alone without somebody watching
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Speaker 1: over them. Well, that's curious to Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: all of red flags. You don't get that in place
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Speaker 1: where your husband, the father the children, cannot see the
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Speaker 1: children unless it's supervised. Potus Dulos hated that, but she
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Speaker 1: was afraid he would take the children to Greece. But
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Speaker 1: that's got to be court ordered. The mom can't say, hey,
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Speaker 1: you can't see that unless you're supervised. It doesn't work
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Speaker 1: that way way. And Wendy, that's right. You know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that many people hear the worders standing order and think,
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Speaker 1: you know, you just go to court and you ask
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Speaker 1: for when you get one. It is a process, and
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Speaker 1: that process comes with due process, and that means notice
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Speaker 1: in an opportunity to fight back at that hearing. And
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Speaker 1: that's no doubt exactly what happened here, as it happens
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Speaker 1: with every other hearing, particularly when there are children involved.
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Speaker 1: So the long and short of it is, there had
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Speaker 1: to have been facts presented at that hearing that we're
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Speaker 1: sufficient to have that judge believe it was in the
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Speaker 1: best interest of everybody to actually put it in place. Well,
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Speaker 1: we don't know how it all started, but we do
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Speaker 1: know how it ended. Take a Lessen Knees twelve, Connecticut
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Speaker 1: Marissa Alter arrest warrants now show a search of her
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Speaker 1: New Canan home the next day found blood stains, blood spatter,
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Speaker 1: and evidence someone tried to clean up the crime scene.
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Speaker 1: The warrants also say Fotus, Dulos and Raconis were captured
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Speaker 1: on surveillance cameras stopping at more than thirty locations along
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Speaker 1: a four mile stretch in Hartford to throw out multiple
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Speaker 1: trash backs. Police later recovered those items and tests confirmed
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Speaker 1: they were stained with Jennifer Dulos's blood. How do you tell,
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jackson State University, if someone
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Speaker 1: has tried to clean up the scene. I mean, it
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Speaker 1: seems counter intuitive. You clean it up, you don't see
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Speaker 1: the mess. But actually when you try to clean up
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Speaker 1: a crime scene, not only is there still trace evidence,
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Speaker 1: but cops can't tell if they look carefully that you've
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Speaker 1: done to clean up. Oh yeah, you're absolutely right. And
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Speaker 1: if we just completely just miss this idea that they
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Speaker 1: found sponges and all this other stuff that was trashed,
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Speaker 1: you get what are called swipes where individuals have gone
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Speaker 1: in and there's a collection of blood, they'll apply some
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Speaker 1: cleaner to it or whatnot, and they'll take some other
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Speaker 1: item like a sponge or a rag or a towel
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Speaker 1: and they'll wipe across it. So when this luminess, let's
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Speaker 1: say we use an agent like Luminoll or blue Star,
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Speaker 1: it'll actually give you an indication that someone has made
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Speaker 1: an attempt to clean up. Just think at home. If
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Speaker 1: you're trying to clean up something off of a cabinet
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Speaker 1: and you wipe across it and it leaves these kind
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Speaker 1: of strided lines across it, that's an indication that someone
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Speaker 1: has potentially attempted to clean up an area. Right now,
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Speaker 1: Bombshell fotus to Dulo's charging his wife's murder, wants a
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Speaker 1: superior court judge to schedule a hearing to determine whether
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Speaker 1: the state has probable cause to arrest him. Now. Usually
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Speaker 1: defendants will waive that kind of hearing because they give
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Speaker 1: the prosecution insight into their case. Also, it's really not
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Speaker 1: good for the state because the state prosecutors have to
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Speaker 1: show their hand and reveal evidence and thereby subject their
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Speaker 1: witnesses to cross exam. Back to Laura Ingle, Fox News,
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Speaker 1: a national correspondent, Laura, so much is unfolding in the
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Speaker 1: last hours. What more do we know? Well, we've got
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Speaker 1: more information coming out in these four hundred and sixty
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Speaker 1: nine pages of search warrants that were released to the public.
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Speaker 1: Look two of the other big things. Here is more
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Speaker 1: detail about the blood evidence found inside Jennifer's garage. The
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Speaker 1: days that she vanished. We've talked about what that information
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Speaker 1: was so far, but now we're learning included in the
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Speaker 1: police findings is a partial bloody footprint on the concrete
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Speaker 1: floor and side of the garage, blood on both garbage
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Speaker 1: cans that were inside of the garage, and blood on
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Speaker 1: one of the garbage cans left side handle. So even
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Speaker 1: more evidence of blood that we did not know about
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Speaker 1: until the search warrants were released. The other key thing
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Speaker 1: that was made public long throughout this investigation, we've heard
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Speaker 1: over and over again that mischelter Konis, the girlfriend, had
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Speaker 1: said the day the night that they were spotted on
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Speaker 1: video surveillance in Hartford with Fotus dropping off all those
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Speaker 1: garbage bags. We had only heard before that she was
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Speaker 1: in the vehicle. There's only one point at the so
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Speaker 1: far that we knew that she was seen leaning out
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Speaker 1: of the car, sounding like she was either putting out
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Speaker 1: or picking up a cigarette. Now the search warrants tell
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Speaker 1: us that they have her on video surveillance actually getting
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Speaker 1: out of the vehicle, exiting the truck, and helping to
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Speaker 1: throw bags into dumpsters. All along she told investigators she
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Speaker 1: had claimed she was on her phone and had no
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Speaker 1: idea what he was doing. She only knew that they
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Speaker 1: were in a quote creepy area, but she was on
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Speaker 1: her phone not paying attention. Now we know that there
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Speaker 1: is evidence that we will see at trial of her
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Speaker 1: getting out of the vehicle and tossing those garbage bags
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Speaker 1: into dumpsters, garbage bags which have now tested that we
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Speaker 1: have the evidence in the original arrest warrants that her
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Speaker 1: DNA is on the knots of the bags, her DNA
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Speaker 1: is on the tape that is taping a couple of
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Speaker 1: those garbage bags together. There is more involvement that we
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Speaker 1: know of now with the release of the search. Wow,
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Speaker 1: that is a forensic coup really for the state, because
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, with her Michelter cut and
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Speaker 1: then I'm gonna circle back with you, Bethany, about how
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Speaker 1: this really changes the position of the mistress Michelter coonis
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Speaker 1: she's not just driving along in a luxury suv chatting
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Speaker 1: on her phone like she said, She is caught on
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Speaker 1: video actually throwing out Jennifer Dulos is bloody bra her
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Speaker 1: bloody clothes, bloody sponges. But to you, first, Joscott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: why is it so significant, not just the video Laura
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Speaker 1: Ingle Fox News has just told us about, but the
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Speaker 1: fact that her but shelter coonis the mistress, the girlfriend
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Speaker 1: of the husband. Her DNA and the knots and the
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Speaker 1: tape in these plastic bags. This is so significant, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because this is what's referred to as forensic connectivity. You
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Speaker 1: can have physical evidence. And remember what Lara just said
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Speaker 1: in the warrant, they're talking about that her DNA was
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Speaker 1: actually found on the bag, not as it was tied.
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Speaker 1: How do you explain that away? And on the surface
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Speaker 1: of the tape there is touch DNA and just a
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Speaker 1: brief primer, we lose almost one hundred thousand skin cells
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Speaker 1: per day just naturally sloughing off. Well, her DNA has
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Speaker 1: transferred now over to these surfaces. And one more thing, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that's really key relative to what Laura said. Not only
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Speaker 1: was this a footprint that they're talking about that they
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Speaker 1: found in the garage, this is a shoeprint, Nancy. That
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Speaker 1: means it will have a specific identifier. If they can
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Speaker 1: pick up on the wear patterns on this shoe, that's
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Speaker 1: going to tie it back to somebody. This is bombshell information.
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Speaker 1: This is key information that will tie all of this
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Speaker 1: back together. I think the defense is going to have
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Speaker 1: a hard time explaining this. You know, hey didn't say
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Speaker 1: these two words, Bruno molly. Who could forget Bruno molly?
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Speaker 1: Is it just me, am I the only one that
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Speaker 1: remembers bruno'molly. Yes. At the bloody crime scene where Nicole
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Speaker 1: Brown's head was practically severed, there just a little skin
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Speaker 1: on the back of her neck holding her head onto
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Speaker 1: her body, there was a very distinctive shoeprint, just like
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan is describing it, no doubt about. It
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Speaker 1: was a very expensive Italian shoe of bruno'molly. When confronted
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Speaker 1: with that, Simpson says, I've never had any quote his words,
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Speaker 1: not mine, ugly ass shoes like that. That's Simpson. And
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Speaker 1: then lo and behold, the National Enquirer pulls up a
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Speaker 1: picture of him on the sidelines of a football game,
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Speaker 1: commenting wearing those quote ugly ass shoes the bruno' molly's. Yes,
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Speaker 1: it's deja vu all over again. But doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: I gotta ask you several questions. Let me just start
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Speaker 1: with the significance of what Laura Ingle Fought News has
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Speaker 1: just said and told us that she's poured through all
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Speaker 1: of these new documents and found where the girlfriend, the
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Speaker 1: lover of married Fotus Dulos. She's caught on camera. She's
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Speaker 1: not just sitting there with her feet up on the
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Speaker 1: dashboard talking on her cell phone while they're discarding murder evidence.
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Speaker 1: She's getting out of the car throwing it out herself,
22:22
Speaker 1: and her DNA is in the knots of the plastic bags. Well,
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Speaker 1: what that tells me, Nancy a lot about the psychodynamics
22:29
Speaker 1: of the marriage itself between Fotus and Jennifer. It tells
22:34
Speaker 1: me that he was obsessional and paranoid about being betrayed
22:38
Speaker 1: by her. I wish she could have just divorced her
22:41
Speaker 1: and shared the children back and forth. But abusers can
22:44
Speaker 1: never do that. They don't problem solve. They do not
22:48
Speaker 1: know how to be separate from loved ones. They want
22:50
Speaker 1: to possess and control loved ones. So I think that
22:54
Speaker 1: Fotus was pathologically jealous of Jennifer. He felt betrayed, He
22:59
Speaker 1: had all kinds of negative emotions. So he develops a
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Speaker 1: relationship with the mistress Michelle in a sense to get
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Speaker 1: even with Jennifer. He starts a love triangle, and I
23:12
Speaker 1: think that he starts to obsess with Michelle about how
23:17
Speaker 1: he feels betrayed by his ex wife, how his ex
23:20
Speaker 1: wife is controlling the children and turning the children against him,
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Speaker 1: and how she's going to take all of his money,
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Speaker 1: and how can he fotus have a great life with
23:30
Speaker 1: Michelle when the wife is there interfering in their love.
23:35
Speaker 1: And what Michelle doesn't know is that she's beginning to
23:38
Speaker 1: be used. She is being drawn into this plot to
23:43
Speaker 1: become a co conspiras co conspirator and homicide Bethanie, Doctor Bethanie,
23:49
Speaker 1: why is have you ever seen women that? And I
23:53
Speaker 1: always just see with women maybe men do it too,
23:55
Speaker 1: but they start hanging say you start hanging out with
23:58
Speaker 1: a biker dude suddenly dressing just like him. What I'm
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Speaker 1: saying is you see people following along with whoever they're dating.
24:09
Speaker 1: So questioned, why is Michelle Chaconas what woman in their
24:14
Speaker 1: right mind would say, sure, I'll help you throw out
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Speaker 1: in the bloody clothes. She's just like under his spell.
24:21
Speaker 1: Because there is a very particular psychology to this kind
24:25
Speaker 1: of acting in concert with a perpetrator. What happens is
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Speaker 1: the perpetrator in this case, Fotus begins to convince Michelle
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Speaker 1: that it's them against the world. They draw the woman
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Speaker 1: in through paranoia shared paranoia, and what I mean by
24:44
Speaker 1: that is that he probably is saying, you know, my wife,
24:49
Speaker 1: Jennifer is hurting me. She's going to take the children
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Speaker 1: from me. You know, if she calls the police, then
24:56
Speaker 1: you know my career is over. You and I will
24:59
Speaker 1: never have any money. Every time we see a Bonnie
25:02
Speaker 1: and Clyde situation, which this is where someone acts in
25:05
Speaker 1: concert with another, whoever the aggressor or perpetrator it is,
25:10
Speaker 1: whether it's the man or the woman, draws the other
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Speaker 1: person into a belief system that it is them against
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Speaker 1: the world. And unfortunately Michelle took this to a pathological
25:21
Speaker 1: and criminal level, and there must be something hateful and
25:24
Speaker 1: homicidal inside of her two to allow herself to become
25:28
Speaker 1: inspired in all of this crime stories with Nancy Grace.
25:45
Speaker 1: Please still have not found Jennifer Dulos's body, but based
25:49
Speaker 1: on the evidence and the amount of blood loss, the
25:52
Speaker 1: medical examiner has considered this a homicide. Voteus, why did
25:56
Speaker 1: you do it? Fotus Dulos in handcuffs haled out of
26:00
Speaker 1: the Connecticut State Police barracks and Bridgeport. Dulos arrested and
26:04
Speaker 1: charged today with murdering his wife, Jennifer nearly eight months
26:08
Speaker 1: after her disappearance photos Dulus, who was charged with murder, felony, murder,
26:15
Speaker 1: and kidnapping. Jennifer Dulos last scene alive on May twenty fourth,
26:19
Speaker 1: after dropping her children off at school. Police revealing and
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Speaker 1: an arrest warrant today, they believe Photus Dulos wrote a
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Speaker 1: vintage bicycle to Jennifer's home, killed her, covered up the crime,
26:30
Speaker 1: and disposed of her body. The warrant detailing seven locations
26:35
Speaker 1: where blood like stains matching Jennifer's DNA were found at
26:39
Speaker 1: her new Canaan home. That is NBC News for reporter
26:43
Speaker 1: Mark Sentia. In last hours, hundreds of pages of documents released.
26:47
Speaker 1: We find pools of Jennifer's blood found in the garage,
26:51
Speaker 1: the bedroom un still search warrants reveal, along with interviews
26:56
Speaker 1: with the nanny who said murder suspect husband Fotus Dulos
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Speaker 1: tried to run over Jennifer in his car and chased
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Speaker 1: her through the house. With me right now, Laura Ingle,
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Speaker 1: Fox News National correspondent. I am now learning, Laura Ingle,
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Speaker 1: that there's not just pool evidence of pools of blood
27:13
Speaker 1: in the garage, but also in the bedroom. I in
27:17
Speaker 1: my scenario that I had piece to get cobbled together,
27:20
Speaker 1: I thought she was killed in the garage and never
27:23
Speaker 1: made it in. But also there seems to be blood
27:26
Speaker 1: on a phone and blood on a tablet in the bedroom,
27:30
Speaker 1: plus now another pool of blood. Laura Ingle, Well, what
27:34
Speaker 1: we've read in these search warrants that the cellular telephone
27:37
Speaker 1: and tablet were found on the master bedroom nightstand. I'm
27:42
Speaker 1: uncertain if there was blood found on those things, but
27:45
Speaker 1: it was important for the police to note the telephone
27:49
Speaker 1: and tablet in the master bedroom because there's been there
27:52
Speaker 1: seems to be some conflicting information about where her phone was.
27:56
Speaker 1: Because you remember the day she goes missing, she drops
27:59
Speaker 1: her children off at school, the nanny comes into the house.
28:04
Speaker 1: You know the timeline. It's just terrifying to think about,
28:07
Speaker 1: because she comes into the house just an hour after
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Speaker 1: something has happened to Jennifer. In the eleven o'clock hour
28:14
Speaker 1: in the morning. She comes back to the house and
28:16
Speaker 1: she sees Jennifers mug of tea an unopened granola bar
28:21
Speaker 1: on the kitchen and which she apparently left before she
28:25
Speaker 1: went to school because she was going to come back,
28:27
Speaker 1: get her things and go to New York City for
28:29
Speaker 1: a bunch of appointments that she never made. But there
28:33
Speaker 1: we had been under the impression that her phone was missing.
28:36
Speaker 1: It sounds like those she had maybe two telephones, two
28:39
Speaker 1: cell phones, one of which was had pinned over by
28:43
Speaker 1: her car or the truck was found at the park,
28:46
Speaker 1: and then this other one. So that is another piece
28:48
Speaker 1: of the puzzle that we're hoping will be put together
28:51
Speaker 1: as we move forward. In this case, I'm looking at
28:54
Speaker 1: a news report that says cops also found traces of
28:58
Speaker 1: blood on a tablet and a phone in her master bedroom.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't say cell phone, landline and the tablet, I
29:06
Speaker 1: guess are saying an iPad. Now you know what you're
29:08
Speaker 1: telling me something new, Laura Engle about the cup of
29:11
Speaker 1: tea and the unopened granola bar. That changes my theory.
29:15
Speaker 1: That seems to me that maybe she did get out
29:20
Speaker 1: of the car and getting the home. I mean, I'm
29:22
Speaker 1: not sure. What do you make of it, Laura Engle?
29:24
Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's it's hard to piece it
29:26
Speaker 1: together with that information knowing that there was Remember there
29:31
Speaker 1: was a piece of DNA evidence on the kitchen faucet
29:35
Speaker 1: sink that was a droplet of her blood and Photosduelos's DNA.
29:39
Speaker 1: There was also Photostuelos' DNA on the mudroom door, on
29:43
Speaker 1: the doorknob. So it sounds as though, I mean, when
29:47
Speaker 1: we look at what happened in the garage, it's so bloody,
29:50
Speaker 1: it's so massive, and whoever went into the house had
29:54
Speaker 1: to be so careful because when the nanny comes home
29:58
Speaker 1: at around eleven am, she doesn't see She doesn't walk
30:01
Speaker 1: in and say, oh my gosh, this is a bloody
30:03
Speaker 1: crime scene. And she didn't go into the garage. She
30:05
Speaker 1: just went into the kitchen and didn't notice anything, just like, wow,
30:08
Speaker 1: why is her mug of tea here? Why is the
30:10
Speaker 1: granola bar here? And it was also a purse that
30:12
Speaker 1: was found in the kitchen. The other note of what
30:15
Speaker 1: the nanny found was that she went to go use
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Speaker 1: a paper towel because she wanted she was washing the
30:20
Speaker 1: mug as a courtesy to Jennifer, and she went to
30:24
Speaker 1: go grab her a paper towel, and all the paper
30:26
Speaker 1: towel roll was empty. She said, huh, that's weird. I
30:29
Speaker 1: just put twelve rolls of paper towels into the house yesterday.
30:35
Speaker 1: Why would they go through a towel? And then she
30:36
Speaker 1: opens the pantry and there's only two left, so she's thinking,
30:41
Speaker 1: how on earth did these guys, this family go through
30:45
Speaker 1: ten rolls of paper towels. That's that's what's noted in
30:48
Speaker 1: these arrest warrants and the search warrants released. You know,
30:51
Speaker 1: isn't it funny? Funny? Odd to Bobby Chico and former
30:55
Speaker 1: FBI star on Facebook that the simple little things means
31:01
Speaker 1: so much. Like I'm a lot of times don't have
31:05
Speaker 1: time to go shopping, which I hate anyway, And I
31:09
Speaker 1: will order, you know, to find cut rate paper towels
31:13
Speaker 1: or toilet paper whatever. I'll order it and get free
31:16
Speaker 1: delivering there it is there. I know exactly how much
31:19
Speaker 1: I order. And they come in bulk of twelve if
31:22
Speaker 1: I order them and stick them in the pantry, and
31:25
Speaker 1: then the next day they're all gone and the one
31:30
Speaker 1: that I have out by the coffee maker is also empty.
31:33
Speaker 1: I know something happened. Now that's not high tech DNA
31:37
Speaker 1: that Joe Scott Morgan wants to talk about. But it's
31:40
Speaker 1: evidence that will mean something to a jury, something significant.
31:44
Speaker 1: I don't need a medical examiner to tell me there
31:46
Speaker 1: were large pools of blood. When I find out there
31:48
Speaker 1: are twelve empty rolls of paper towels, that's right. And
31:51
Speaker 1: it's one of those, you know, seemingly mundane details that
31:55
Speaker 1: really mean a lot to us as investigators when we
31:57
Speaker 1: try to piece together the story of what happened. That's
32:00
Speaker 1: our job is to use the physical evidence to piece
32:03
Speaker 1: together what we think happen. And so something like that
32:06
Speaker 1: seemingly innocuous detail really kind of really sends us in
32:11
Speaker 1: a certain direction. And obviously those paper towels were used
32:15
Speaker 1: to clean up this crime scene and deposited in those
32:18
Speaker 1: bags that we saw on video being disposed of, and
32:22
Speaker 1: that's that's that's the story of what you want the
32:25
Speaker 1: jury to hear, and a prosecutor will take the jury
32:28
Speaker 1: through that story. And this is one of those great
32:30
Speaker 1: details that adds, you know, richness and depth to the
32:33
Speaker 1: story that allow people to know it's believable because all
32:37
Speaker 1: of these details matter, and all of these details add
32:41
Speaker 1: up to the story that the prosecutor will tell the jury,
32:44
Speaker 1: and the jury will ultimately hopefully believe in this case.
32:46
Speaker 1: I mean, when you look at this, you know, that's
32:48
Speaker 1: what's so important to me as an investigator. When you
32:50
Speaker 1: look at the amount of blood and where the blood
32:52
Speaker 1: was found, you start to think that this wasn't a
32:56
Speaker 1: an assassination. In other words, in my mind, this was
32:58
Speaker 1: probably an ife attack. It was probably vicious, and if
33:02
Speaker 1: we saw the body in its state that the way
33:04
Speaker 1: it was when it was killed, we would probably call
33:06
Speaker 1: it overkill because there's so much blood. The blood is
33:10
Speaker 1: throughout the house. Now, it got all over the perpetrator,
33:13
Speaker 1: whoever that was, And so this wasn't a case where
33:17
Speaker 1: the person was shot in the head and immediately dropped
33:20
Speaker 1: to the floor and there was a small pool of
33:21
Speaker 1: blood to be cleaned up. The blood was everywhere, and
33:24
Speaker 1: it was on the perpetrator, and the perpetrator tracked it
33:26
Speaker 1: through the house. And so now in my mind, we
33:30
Speaker 1: theorized this was a vicious attack, probably using a knife
33:33
Speaker 1: or a blunt instrument, that went on for a few
33:35
Speaker 1: minutes and caused a lot of bleeding to the victim
33:39
Speaker 1: before the victim died. But to Laura Ingle Fox Nis,
33:42
Speaker 1: what can you tell me about clear ponchos. Clear ponchos
33:46
Speaker 1: were found within the garbage bags that were discarded and
33:50
Speaker 1: Hartford in those dumpsters and multiple trash receptacles, lots of
33:54
Speaker 1: garbage cans, lots of you know a picture being in
33:57
Speaker 1: the back of an alley of a restaurant. Those are
33:59
Speaker 1: the types of place that these garbage bags were found.
34:02
Speaker 1: And when they opened them, they found a long list
34:05
Speaker 1: of things that were later tested to have a positive
34:08
Speaker 1: identification for DNA for Jennifer Dulos, Photosdulos and michel Terconis.
34:14
Speaker 1: Most of the Michelcis DNA matches were on the outside
34:18
Speaker 1: of the bags, I will mention and that not but
34:21
Speaker 1: inside there were clear ponchos with blood like stains that
34:26
Speaker 1: matched Jennifer Dulos's DNA and also the zip ties with
34:32
Speaker 1: blood on them, with blood like substance is what it's
34:34
Speaker 1: called in the warrants. The black husky gloves. There's another
34:39
Speaker 1: pair of gloves that were found. One of the pairs
34:41
Speaker 1: of gloves had Photosdulos's DNA inside the glove. Things like
34:48
Speaker 1: that were discovered to doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalyst Beverly Hills,
34:53
Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. This takes it to a whole new level
34:57
Speaker 1: in my mind, and I would love to point this
35:00
Speaker 1: out to a jury, the fact that they go by ponchos.
35:06
Speaker 1: It's like Dexter how he would wrap the whole dismemberment
35:11
Speaker 1: scene in plastic so not a speck of blood would
35:15
Speaker 1: get on the room or the walls or the floor.
35:19
Speaker 1: They planned this down to the tiniest details, even getting
35:24
Speaker 1: ponchos and gloves to cover themselves so they would not
35:29
Speaker 1: get her blood on their clothes. Well, they planned it,
35:33
Speaker 1: but not so well because it sounds like they accosted
35:38
Speaker 1: her in the garage but then didn't think about all
35:43
Speaker 1: the blood that would get over their own hands and
35:45
Speaker 1: their own bodies. Went back to the kitchen, tried to
35:50
Speaker 1: wash themselves, put deposited blood and debris on the kitchen faucet,
35:58
Speaker 1: then tried to gather her belonging like her tablet deposited
36:02
Speaker 1: blood there. So they planned and planned, but at the
36:05
Speaker 1: end of the day, they're both amateurs, so they really
36:08
Speaker 1: did not know what they were doing. In terms of
36:10
Speaker 1: the psychology of the planning. I think with what we
36:14
Speaker 1: call catifym a commicide. What that is is when there's
36:18
Speaker 1: a compulsion to kill, and the compulsion waxes and wanes
36:22
Speaker 1: over time and takes on kind of a ritualistic quality.
36:26
Speaker 1: With a commicide, whether it's a couple or an individual
36:30
Speaker 1: who begins to gather the accoutra moth for the kill,
36:33
Speaker 1: there's kind of an excited ritualistic quality, you know, going
36:38
Speaker 1: to target, getting the plastic, getting the ponchos, planning, thinking
36:43
Speaker 1: about where the dumb side is going to be for
36:45
Speaker 1: the body, planning multiple dump sites. So not only are
36:49
Speaker 1: they ridding themselves of the victim, but in some excited,
36:54
Speaker 1: strange kind of way there it's almost like foreplay for
36:59
Speaker 1: the rest of their life. They're bonding with each other
37:02
Speaker 1: and trying to prepare for a life together in some sick,
37:05
Speaker 1: twisted way. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Jennifer and Fotis
37:23
Speaker 1: had been in the midst of a bitter divorce battle.
37:26
Speaker 1: In court documents, Jennifer seemed to fear for her safety,
37:29
Speaker 1: claiming in twenty seventeen, I am afraid of my husband.
37:33
Speaker 1: I know that filing for divorce and filing this motion
37:36
Speaker 1: will enrage him. I know he will retaliate by trying
37:39
Speaker 1: to harm me. In some way. Fotis Dulo strongly denied
37:43
Speaker 1: any threatening behavior, calling his wife incapable of parenting because
37:47
Speaker 1: she allegedly was taking anti psychotic and anti anxiety medications.
37:51
Speaker 1: I've seen it so many times and every time it's heartbreaking,
37:56
Speaker 1: Jennifer said. At the time the split started, she was afraid.
38:01
Speaker 1: She was afraid to file for divorce. She was afraid
38:05
Speaker 1: her husband would seek vengeance on her. You were hearing
38:09
Speaker 1: me speaking with my friends at ABC. Jennifer Dulas dead.
38:13
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. And right now the defense
38:16
Speaker 1: attorneys for her husband, Photos Dulas, are in sitting on
38:19
Speaker 1: a probable cause hearing to see and test the state's
38:22
Speaker 1: evidence to see if there is even a probable cause
38:24
Speaker 1: to arrest him. But I can tell you this, the
38:28
Speaker 1: people in New Canaan see it differently. Take a listen.
38:32
Speaker 1: When we're in first Spread early this afternoon, folks in
38:35
Speaker 1: town say people were honking their horns making sure everyone
38:38
Speaker 1: had heard. Art Keane owns this mobile station. He says
38:42
Speaker 1: it was like a party. I got a kick out
38:44
Speaker 1: of him hitting the horns. I thought there was a
38:45
Speaker 1: party going. I didn't know anything about it until my
38:47
Speaker 1: son told me about it. It turns out the party
38:49
Speaker 1: was actually news of the arrest. Yes. Yes, this is
38:53
Speaker 1: a community that jumped into action when Jennifer Dulas went missing,
38:57
Speaker 1: passing out flyers assisting police with the folks here say
39:01
Speaker 1: they're not surprised to hear her estranged husband has been
39:04
Speaker 1: charged with murder. About a surprise. I mean, it does
39:08
Speaker 1: matter how they were law Do you get the evidence
39:10
Speaker 1: to be able to charge him? Is there any doubt
39:12
Speaker 1: in your mind what happened here? Not been following the
39:15
Speaker 1: case pretty closely, and you know, if you vad you
39:19
Speaker 1: know all of the about all the evidence and the
39:23
Speaker 1: background and so forth. I mean, it almost seems like
39:26
Speaker 1: an iron clad well without a body, nothing is ever
39:29
Speaker 1: iron clad. Those are our friends joining us from NBC
39:33
Speaker 1: News for that was Ida Siegel. We haven't even touched
39:37
Speaker 1: on the lawyer, Laura Ingle. Right now, in a very
39:43
Speaker 1: very rare case, Votus Dulo's lawyer has been charged in
39:50
Speaker 1: connection with Jennifer Dulos's murder. What about it? How does
39:55
Speaker 1: he get tangled up in all this? Laura Ingle? His
39:58
Speaker 1: name is Kent Mlwinney and he was his civil attorney
40:03
Speaker 1: back when you know, there was a lot of money
40:06
Speaker 1: problems we've reported on, and in fact, that's what I
40:08
Speaker 1: had my interview with photos Duos about. There's a gag
40:11
Speaker 1: order in the criminal case, so he was able to
40:13
Speaker 1: speak to me about his original civil case with Gloria Farber.
40:17
Speaker 1: So back at the beginning of that case. Gloria Farber
40:20
Speaker 1: is Jennifer Dulos's mother asking him to repay millions of
40:23
Speaker 1: dollars in what she calls loans, he calls gifts. That's
40:28
Speaker 1: another story. But this guy, Kent McWhinney, was a friend
40:31
Speaker 1: of his and a civil attorney who was helping him
40:34
Speaker 1: with that case. He has been charged with conspiracy to murder,
40:38
Speaker 1: also arrested the same day, and as of this broadcast,
40:42
Speaker 1: he remains in print. He's in custody right now. He
40:46
Speaker 1: has not been able to make his two million dollars bond.
40:49
Speaker 1: He is accused of conspiracy for a couple of reasons.
40:53
Speaker 1: According to the warrants, he was part of the alibi
40:58
Speaker 1: originally that photos Dullo said that he was talking with,
41:02
Speaker 1: had a meeting with, had a scheduled meeting with. There
41:05
Speaker 1: was a lot of you know, they were supposed to
41:06
Speaker 1: meet up and talk that he was supposed to be
41:09
Speaker 1: on the phone with him. Then when police go to
41:11
Speaker 1: talk to him and ask him more specifically about these meetings,
41:15
Speaker 1: he tells police that he actually had a fall that day,
41:20
Speaker 1: that next morning, has a concussion, doesn't remember what happened
41:24
Speaker 1: the day of the twenty fourth, broke his cell phone.
41:27
Speaker 1: Oh please please with a Patrick, California prosecutor, He says,
41:32
Speaker 1: this is a lawyer speaking. He wants the judge to
41:35
Speaker 1: believe he had a fall and has temporary amnesia. I'm
41:39
Speaker 1: so happy that's right. And you know, lawyers are officers
41:42
Speaker 1: of the court, so we're held to a higher standard
41:44
Speaker 1: than even other witnesses. So to come in and make
41:47
Speaker 1: these representations, which by the way, are hard to disprove.
41:50
Speaker 1: That's the frustrating thing about some of the evidence that
41:52
Speaker 1: we receive is if you're talking about what somebody was
41:55
Speaker 1: thinking or forgetting, you know, we have to have willful
41:59
Speaker 1: misrepresentations to actually take any take any action. It's really frustrating,
42:03
Speaker 1: even when Nancy, as you point out, it really sounds
42:06
Speaker 1: common sense that that wouldn't have been the case. But
42:09
Speaker 1: it's one of those things that as moving forward, we'll
42:12
Speaker 1: see if it doesn't provide him some sort of defense.
42:14
Speaker 1: Which is going to be important because we're dealing with
42:16
Speaker 1: the case here where the circumstantial and forensic evidence tells
42:19
Speaker 1: the story Jennifer cannot. So this is just one of
42:23
Speaker 1: those where this is one more interesting development, but certainly
42:27
Speaker 1: not going to make a difference to the jury probably
42:30
Speaker 1: in the long run regarding who killed her. Take a
42:32
Speaker 1: listen to our friends at Fox sixty one. This is
42:35
Speaker 1: Postulas from FOP. I just wanted to reach out to
42:38
Speaker 1: you when you get a chance my numbers. Thank you
42:41
Speaker 1: so much, Bye bye. Voicemails left for ket Muiney's a
42:44
Speaker 1: strange wife on me sixteenth. It's doing well. It's Sante morning,
42:51
Speaker 1: Nick morning, and I'm just trying to type space with
42:54
Speaker 1: you to see what the plan is so I can
42:56
Speaker 1: plant my afternoon evening accordingly. Okay, call me back. Thank
43:02
Speaker 1: you so much by these messages left just several days
43:05
Speaker 1: before Jennifer Dulos disappeared on May twenty fourth, and just
43:09
Speaker 1: days before Muinney's wife met with Dulos at Max's Oysterbar
43:13
Speaker 1: in West Hartford. Muiney's wife described the meeting in a
43:16
Speaker 1: sworn Alfa David as an attempt by Dulos to reconcile
43:19
Speaker 1: the Muinney strained marriage. According to his arrest warrant, Muinney
43:23
Speaker 1: and Potus Dulos were close friends, but Zenas Zlotes, the
43:27
Speaker 1: divorce attorney representing Mwinney's wife, says she thought it was
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Speaker 1: strange Dulos had a sudden vested interest in her relationship
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Speaker 1: with her husband, feeling uncomfortable that Dulos allegedly kept inviting
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Speaker 1: her back to his Farmington homes. Is not a close
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Speaker 1: family friend, This is not a relative. This is not
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Speaker 1: the type of person who you would expect would reach
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Speaker 1: out and try to mend a marriage, Zolotes, questioning in
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Speaker 1: an interview with Fox sixty one last week, whether his
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Speaker 1: client avoided a fate similar to Jennifer Dulos as On
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Speaker 1: April fifteen, twenty nineteen, video obtained by Fox sixty one
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Speaker 1: shows a suspicious man outside mlhinney's wife's South winds Her home,
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Speaker 1: caring what she says she thought was a gas can
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Speaker 1: and a crowbar and a sworn affidavit. Mliney's wife said
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Speaker 1: detectives interviewed a suspect who told them he was asked
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Speaker 1: by Kent McWhinney to repair the garage. Door, No arrests
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Speaker 1: were met. Our friends at Fox sixty one. That was
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Speaker 1: Zennia Maldonado to Fox News National correspondent Laura Ingle, that
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Speaker 1: voicemail message we just heard, is it believed right now,
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Speaker 1: not proven, but believed that his lawyer Kent McWhinney was
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Speaker 1: getting photos Duelos to kill mcwinney's wife. Well, look, the
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Speaker 1: inference is that he was trying to get her to
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Speaker 1: come to his house or to have some type of
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Speaker 1: a meeting. Now, when you asked about a t r
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Speaker 1: O before, there was a protective order against mlinney contacting
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Speaker 1: his wife. So what photos Dulos was attempting to do,
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Speaker 1: according to the these calls, According to the documents, if
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Speaker 1: he was trying to do kind of a go around
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Speaker 1: to get these two to talk. MWENNI perhaps had told Sodas, Look,
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Speaker 1: I want to get back together with my wife. I
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Speaker 1: can't have contact with her. Can you help me out?
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Speaker 1: That's what they're going to say, and that's what they're
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Speaker 1: going to say. Those calls were about. Remember, part of
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Speaker 1: the other part of the new arrestaurants when he was
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Speaker 1: arrested was that he had recently made contact with a
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Speaker 1: gun and Hunt club that he once belonged to and
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Speaker 1: helped sound years and years ago, but hadn't been a
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Speaker 1: part of or in contact with anybody for the last
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Speaker 1: five to six years. But in the weeks before Jennifer
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Speaker 1: goes missing, which is around the time these voicemails are made,
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Speaker 1: he calls them and asks for access to the grounds
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Speaker 1: of this rule dirt road area where people go pheasant hunting,
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Speaker 1: and the guys tell them how to how he can
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Speaker 1: gain access to those grounds. And then a couple of
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Speaker 1: days later, a couple of guys out walking around hunting
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Speaker 1: for pheasants find a six foot long, three foot deep,
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Speaker 1: two foot wide hole in the ground with tarps and
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Speaker 1: unopened bags of lime. So with that, you know, there's
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Speaker 1: there's no proof that Kent McWhinney went there and dug
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Speaker 1: a hole, but he did access. He did ask for
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Speaker 1: access to those grounds just before that hole was found.
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Speaker 1: So tying that all in together with the phone call
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Speaker 1: and trying to get together with the wife, the strange
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Speaker 1: his strange wife, you know, it led to enough suspicion
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Speaker 1: for police to place him under arrest. Dodgor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: psychoanalyst joining me out of la. You know, is there
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Speaker 1: no end to the evil the way that these guys
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Speaker 1: think they can just murder their wives allegedly and that
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Speaker 1: solves their problem. Well, just think about it, Nancy. It
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Speaker 1: follows along the lines of all domestic abuse and all
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Speaker 1: domestic homicide. What happens is that the men in this
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Speaker 1: case come to believe that the wife has betrayed them
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Speaker 1: in some way. It always starts there that because these
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Speaker 1: men are primitive, they're like babies. They treat their wives
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Speaker 1: like as if they were the baby and the wife
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Speaker 1: is the mother. My mommy owes me everything. My mommy
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Speaker 1: should never be separate. Mommy has let me down, she
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Speaker 1: didn't feed me, Mommy, mommy, mommy, give me, give me,
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Speaker 1: give me. And then you put that childlike attitude into
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Speaker 1: an adult homicidal mind, and you have a man who
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Speaker 1: wants to, in an evil, malicious way, punish the wife
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Speaker 1: for having betrayed him. Now, I think Photus and Mwennie
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Speaker 1: became obsessed with their wives. You know, men who are
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Speaker 1: homicidal and commit domestic violence often begin to their wives
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Speaker 1: after the divorce. Right, we know that seventy six percent
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Speaker 1: of all talking behavior happens while a woman is leaving
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Speaker 1: the relationships, so think of it. You know, Mlwinne's wife
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Speaker 1: was leaving him. I mean she had a restraining order,
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Speaker 1: and Jennifer wasn't leaving fotus, but there was the sense
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Speaker 1: of abandon Mlwinney may have had. So both men became
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Speaker 1: obsessed with conspiring to punish and ultimately to kill their wives.
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Speaker 1: So there's no end. It started with domestic violence in
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Speaker 1: the beginning, and the arc ended in a potential attempt
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Speaker 1: at homicide and homicide. Okay, you know, I'm not quite
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Speaker 1: sure of everything you just said, but I know this.
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Speaker 1: He's the one cheating, He's the one sleeping around and
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Speaker 1: banner Michelle Jaconas, I'm sure you're not the first, all right,
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Speaker 1: don't feel special. He's the one that's causing the problem
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Speaker 1: in the home. So I don't know how you could
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Speaker 1: twist that around, doctor Bethany make it that she's the
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Speaker 1: one leaving him. All I know is there not coming
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Speaker 1: out and saying it. But it's just she's dead. They're
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Speaker 1: being prosecuted for murder, and the only thing the defense
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Speaker 1: has going for them right now, it's right now, there
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Speaker 1: is no dead body. We wait as just as unfolds
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Speaker 1: and I guess, Laura Ingle, Fox News National correspond it
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Speaker 1: is going to be on the front row of that
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Speaker 1: Probable Cause hearing and I can't wait. Nancy Grace Crimes
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Speaker 1: story signing off, goodbye friend,