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Very Straight Talk On This Great Salvation | 'How Saved Are We' (part 2) Pastor Michael Jakes · The Bible Speaks Live!

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  Speaker 1: Well, hey, praise the Lord.
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  Speaker 2: I am Michael Jackson. Welcome to The Bible Speaks Live.
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  Speaker 2: This is our Hot Topic Tuesday. We're glad you could
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  Speaker 2: join us. Once again, as we are here opening up
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  Speaker 2: the Word of God, today we are continuing in our study.
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  Speaker 2: And we are looking at our study of Once saved,
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  Speaker 2: always saved debate. I don't want to call it a debate,
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  Speaker 2: but the church is not in agreement on this particular point.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to explore it. We're going to look
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  Speaker 2: at it. And we're going to lay out both sides. And, hey,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to lay out both sides. That's what we
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  Speaker 2: intend to do. We are not trying to force anybody's view,
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  Speaker 2: change anybody's view. We're not trying to do that. We're
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  Speaker 2: not trying to cause a break in fellowship. We're not
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  Speaker 2: trying to do any of those things. We're not trying
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  Speaker 2: to create arguments and disagreements. We're not trying to do
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  Speaker 2: anything like that. We just simply are laying out both sides.
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  Speaker 2: We did mention last week that God knows. God knows
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  Speaker 2: because he is sovereign. God knows, once again, which side
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  Speaker 2: is valid, which side is true.
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  Speaker 3: God knows.
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  Speaker 2: And we will leave, let God be the final judge.
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  Speaker 2: But we are, once again, we're just going to lay
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  Speaker 2: out both sides. And both sides, as we have said,
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  Speaker 2: have adequate scripture to back up their particular view. That's
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  Speaker 2: what I do believe. Anyway, so we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: into this. And once again, thank you for joining us.
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  Speaker 2: also may be blessed. That is something that we always
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  Speaker 2: want to do as we enter into these studies.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: That's important to us that you do that because we
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  Speaker 2: don't come into.
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  Speaker 3: These studies just to pass the time.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: We seek application. We don't just seek information. We are
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  Speaker 2: not just seeking knowledge. We seek application. Theology without application
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  Speaker 2: is is no good. It doesn't do a whole lot
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  Speaker 2: of good to learn a whole lot of stuff. But
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  Speaker 2: then your life still doesn't line up with all the
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  Speaker 2: things that you say you believe. And so we want
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  Speaker 2: to make sure that we understand that that is very important.
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  Speaker 3: Amen. So once again, God bless you, Cynthia and Dana
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  Speaker 3: and Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker Jr. in Mississippi.
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  Speaker 2: God bless you. God bless you also, Terrence. uh, Tyler
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  Speaker 2: in North Carolina. Thank you also for joining.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So as I said, uh, this is a, this is
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  Speaker 2: an unfortunately divisive subject, a quote, controversial subject, uh, a
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  Speaker 2: subject that we have avoided literally, uh, that we have avoided, uh,
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  Speaker 2: over the years that we have been online and we
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  Speaker 2: have not really, um, touched on this subject head on
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  Speaker 2: as we are doing now.
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  Speaker 3: But we're going to do it. And we've been doing
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  Speaker 3: it for the past couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: And we have some more things in store. Remember, the
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  Speaker 2: title of this particular series is Very Straight Talk. Very
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  Speaker 2: Straight Talk on this great salvation. Being Very Straight Talk,
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  Speaker 2: that means that we're going to touch on several topics that.
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  Speaker 3: Believers don't agree on. And so we'll be doing that.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, not trying to cause any disagreement or any
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  Speaker 2: controversy myself, but these are things that we as believers
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  Speaker 2: need to know and we need to understand.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: Regardless of what end of the spectrum you land on
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  Speaker 2: as pertaining to what we're going to talk about tonight,
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  Speaker 2: we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. Amen. All righty. Amen.
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  Speaker 1: Alrighty.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, my brother Thomas.
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  Speaker 1: Amen. Alrighty.
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  Speaker 2: Let's pray and we're going to get right, right, right
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  Speaker 2: into it. Once again, we've tried to, we've tried to
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  Speaker 2: make this as we want to be able for you
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  Speaker 2: to see. So we have a lot of scriptures set
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  Speaker 2: up for you to see. So it's just not me
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  Speaker 2: as a talking head, just giving you information and giving
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  Speaker 2: you scriptures. We want you to see exactly what it
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  Speaker 2: is that we're saying. So if I read a little
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  Speaker 2: bit from what you see, that's fine. If I don't
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  Speaker 2: read it exactly as you see it, you can follow along.
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  Speaker 2: But once again, that's our goal. We want to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that you're able to see what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Let's pray.
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  Speaker 2: Lord, we bless you. We honor you.
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  Speaker 1: We thank you, Lord.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, you've given us another opportunity, Lord, to open
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  Speaker 2: up your word. We know that this is a very
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  Speaker 2: It's a very tense subject within the body of believers.
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  Speaker 2: We know that there are believers on both sides that
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  Speaker 2: are very passionate about their view, and that's all well
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  Speaker 2: and good. It is not our intent to start any
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  Speaker 2: problems or difficulties. We are not intending to change anybody's
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  Speaker 2: mind or view concerning whatever view they happen to stand on. Lord,
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  Speaker 2: we just want to just lay out the two sides. So, Lord,
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  Speaker 2: we just bless you today. Be with us, lead us
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  Speaker 2: and guide us into your truth. That's all we want.
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  Speaker 2: We want to hear from you, Lord Jesus.
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  Speaker 3: So, have your way. We thank you for all things
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  Speaker 3: in Jesus' name.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: And amen.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Well, hallelujah. God is good.
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  Speaker 2: Now, what we are going to do first, we're going
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  Speaker 2: to do a quick.
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  Speaker 3: Review. A quick review. of what we did last week.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'll be talking a little fast.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be getting into these, the points here a little
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  Speaker 2: quick because we did go over these, uh, these points
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  Speaker 2: last week, but, but now they're going to be sort of, uh,
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  Speaker 2: they're going to be sort of, uh, uh, side by side.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, and let me just go back. Just, uh, let
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  Speaker 3: me go back to there. Is that the one I want?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So last week we talked about, uh, the five points
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  Speaker 2: of Arminianism and the five points of Calvinism, And we
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  Speaker 2: see where they are polar opposites of one another. Arminianism
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  Speaker 2: believes in free will and Calvinism believes in total depravity.
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  Speaker 3: Once again, we're going to talk about this very quickly
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  Speaker 3: in just a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Arminianism believes in conditional election.
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  Speaker 3: Calvinism believes in unconditional election.
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  Speaker 2: Universal atonement for the Arminian and limited atonement for the Calvinist.
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  Speaker 2: Resistible grace for the Arminian and irresistible grace for the Calvinist.
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  Speaker 2: and perseverance of the saints, of some saints for the Armenians,
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  Speaker 2: and perseverance of all saints for the Calvinists. And that last,
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  Speaker 2: number five, number five is the one that we are
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  Speaker 2: going to be mainly focusing in on once we are
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  Speaker 2: finished with this quick review. We're going to be going
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  Speaker 2: over scriptures that point to the fact that you can
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  Speaker 2: lose your salvation, and we're going to be looking at
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  Speaker 2: scriptures that point to the fact That seems to say
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  Speaker 2: that you cannot lose your salvation. We're going to look
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  Speaker 2: at both sides, amen? So let's get right into it, amen?
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  Speaker 2: Slide number four, slide number five already.
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  Speaker 3: All right. So the first point that we said was
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  Speaker 3: free will. This is Arminian.
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  Speaker 2: I've put the Arminian view in black and I've put
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  Speaker 2: the Calvinist view in red.
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  Speaker 3: So free will, human ability.
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  Speaker 2: Arminianism teaches that although the fall affects humanity, God grants
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  Speaker 2: prevenient grace. And this is grace given before a person
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  Speaker 2: responds to Christ.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: The Arminian believes that, yes, we are all dead in
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  Speaker 2: our trespasses and sins, but in order for us to
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  Speaker 2: come to Christ, God has granted a prevenient pre, that
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  Speaker 2: word pre, prevenient grace, grace before Christ. a person responds
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  Speaker 2: to Christ, which enables a person to respond freely to
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  Speaker 2: the gospel. Humans may accept or reject salvation based on
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we have free will. On the other hand,
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  Speaker 2: Calvinists teach total depravity. They teach total depravity. And that
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  Speaker 2: means that all of humanity, forgive the the loss of
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  Speaker 2: the h there all of humanity is fallen in every
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  Speaker 2: aspect of its nature and is absolutely completely and totally
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  Speaker 2: unable to choose god without divine intervention they believe that dead.
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  Speaker 3: In trespasses and sins means dead in trespasses and.
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  Speaker 2: Sins not half dead not in a coma not dead
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  Speaker 2: with one eye open dead means dead according to the
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  Speaker 2: calvinists all right uh Point number two, point number two,
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  Speaker 2: the Arminian believes in unlimited or universal atonement. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: that Jesus died for every single living person without exception, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Salvation is available to everyone, though only believers benefit from
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  Speaker 2: Christ's atonement. A scripture verse that comes to mind from
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  Speaker 2: 1 Timothy says.
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  Speaker 3: That Jesus is the savior of all men. All men.
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  Speaker 3: He's the savior of all men, especially those who believe.
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  Speaker 3: especially those who believe that that's a scripture. All righty?
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  Speaker 2: Now, the Calvinists, on the other hand, believe in unconditional election.
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  Speaker 2: And this simply means that God is the one who
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  Speaker 2: chooses and has chosen from eternity those who will be
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  Speaker 2: saved based solely on his own sovereign will and not
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  Speaker 2: on foreseen human actions. Example, For God so loved the
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  Speaker 2: world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever
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  Speaker 2: believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life.
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  Speaker 2: We're very familiar with John 3.16, but the Calvinist says
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  Speaker 2: that that verse is not talking about the entire world.
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  Speaker 3: Not the entire world.
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  Speaker 2: Only the world of those who will actually give their
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  Speaker 2: hearts to Christ. Only those who have been elected. Only
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  Speaker 2: those who have been chosen. That's the world. That's a
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  Speaker 2: sort of a limited world. That's a limited view. And
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  Speaker 2: it's unconditional election. God has chosen. In other words, if
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  Speaker 2: God hasn't chosen you from eternity past, then there's no
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  Speaker 2: way that you can be saved because you're not chosen.
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  Speaker 2: You're not elected. So you can't be saved. You cannot
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  Speaker 2: be saved if he hasn't chosen you. I know that
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  Speaker 2: sounds crazy, but that's where it comes down to. Unconditional election.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it has to mean. If you're not elected,
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  Speaker 2: then you can't be saved and you won't be saved.
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Now, conditional election.
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  Speaker 2: Is the Arminian view that God's election is based on
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  Speaker 2: his foreknowledge of who will freely respond in faith. Election
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  Speaker 2: is therefore conditional on human response rather than an unconditional
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  Speaker 2: divine decree. In other words, the Arminian says that they
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  Speaker 2: understand that God has elected, but it's not based on
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  Speaker 2: that decree that you're elected and you're not elected.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: You're chosen and you're not chosen. It's by faith.
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  Speaker 2: If I, by faith, because I do have a free
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  Speaker 2: will to choose him or not choose him.
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  Speaker 3: If I, by faith, say yes, then I can be saved.
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  Speaker 2: And I will be saved. OK, that's the Armenian. That's
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  Speaker 2: the Armenian view. OK, election is conditional and based on
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  Speaker 2: human response. The other side doesn't believe that God has
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  Speaker 2: already said it.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to happen. You're going to be saved because
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  Speaker 3: he elected you. Don't know how.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know the situation. We don't know the hour or
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  Speaker 2: the day he does. And you're going to be saved. OK,
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  Speaker 2: it goes further, though.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: The Arminian, point number four. Limited, and this is the
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  Speaker 2: view of the Calvinist, I'm sorry. Christ's atoning death. It
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  Speaker 2: is limited atonement. And we mentioned this just a bit ago.
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  Speaker 2: Christ's atoning death is effective for and intended specifically for
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  Speaker 2: the elect. That's that John.
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  Speaker 3: 3.16 that I was talking about. securing their salvation.
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  Speaker 2: What this means, limited atonement means that Jesus did not
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  Speaker 2: die for everyone. That's what limited atonement is.
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  Speaker 3: It's limited.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus didn't die for the world. He just died for
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  Speaker 2: those who would be saved. If you're saved, he died
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  Speaker 2: for you. Someone who dies unsaved, whoever they may be,
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  Speaker 2: they died unsaved because Jesus did not die for them.
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  Speaker 2: That's a blunt statement, but that's what limited atonement, that
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  Speaker 2: is what it means.
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  Speaker 3: That is exactly what it means.
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  Speaker 2: So, once again, I know how it sounds, but this
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  Speaker 2: is the view.
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  Speaker 3: Alrighty, number four. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: The Arminian view is resistible grace. Because God's grace enables salvation,
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  Speaker 2: people can resist it. Once again, this is based on
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  Speaker 2: point number one, that you have a free will. You
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  Speaker 2: can resist. We go to Adam and Eve. God said,
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  Speaker 2: don't do that. God said, do not eat from the
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  Speaker 2: fruit of this tree. The day you eat from it,
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  Speaker 2: you will surely die.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Because Adam and Eve had free will, they resisted. went
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  Speaker 2: against what God said and they chose not to obey.
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  Speaker 3: That should prove free will.
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  Speaker 2: So it says the Holy Spirit does not irresistibly compel
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  Speaker 2: anyone to believe. Individuals may refuse God's call. Have you
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  Speaker 2: ever refused God's call? The very, very first time you
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  Speaker 2: ever heard the gospel, the very, very first time you
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  Speaker 2: ever heard a gospel invitation, you know, the preacher says,
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  Speaker 2: who here is not saved? Lift up your hand, walk
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  Speaker 2: down the aisle, however it may have happened for you.
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  Speaker 2: The first time you ever heard about Jesus and what
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  Speaker 2: he does, did you come? Okay, did you come? I didn't,
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  Speaker 2: by the way. Verse number five. I mean, number four
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  Speaker 2: of the view of the Calvinists, it's called irresistible grace.
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  Speaker 2: And it means that God's grace draws those he elects
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  Speaker 2: to faith. So if you've been chosen and if you've
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  Speaker 2: been elected, then you cannot refuse because God has decreed it.
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  Speaker 2: God has said you are going to be, he elected
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  Speaker 2: you from the beginning. From the very beginning, he elected you.
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  Speaker 2: He chose you. Simply by grace. Not because of you.
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  Speaker 2: Not because of anything you've done. Not because you were good.
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  Speaker 2: Not because you were bad. Because God said, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to choose him.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to choose her. And you can do nothing
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  Speaker 2: about it. You cannot refuse. When the time comes, on
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  Speaker 2: God's timetable in your life, when the time comes, when
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  Speaker 2: you hear the gospel, You will come because God has
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  Speaker 2: said you will. Irresistible grace. God draws those he elects
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  Speaker 2: to faith.
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  Speaker 3: Okay? That's what it means.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, finally, when we talk about, and this is the
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  Speaker 2: point that we are going to be talking about here
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  Speaker 2: in five minutes, the Arminian view is you have the
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  Speaker 2: possibility of falling from grace. In other words, you can
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  Speaker 2: lose your salvation. You can lose it. Now, once again,
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  Speaker 2: something that I said last week, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say it again, just the whole phrase, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: keep using it, but the whole phrase, losing your salvation,
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  Speaker 2: if you can lose your salvation, it's better said that
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  Speaker 2: salvation can be forfeited. Can you forfeit your salvation? Or
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  Speaker 2: can your salvation be taken away? That's the best way
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  Speaker 2: to say it. When we talk about losing something, it's like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you don't know what happened to it.
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  Speaker 3: Where is it? No, no.
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  Speaker 2: So if a person can lose their salvation, they have
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  Speaker 2: given it up. They have forfeited it.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So believers may fall away. Fall away.
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  Speaker 2: Keep that phrase in mind. Fall away from faith and
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  Speaker 2: lose salvation. This point reflects the Arminian emphasis on continued
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  Speaker 2: faith and obedience. In other words, if you do not
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  Speaker 2: have faith in the Lord anymore, if you continue to disobey,
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  Speaker 2: at some point, according to the Arminian, according to those
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  Speaker 2: who say you can lose your salvation, at some point,
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  Speaker 2: your salvation is going to be gone. Now, let's go
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  Speaker 2: over real quick before we go to the Calvinist side.
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  Speaker 2: If you lose your salvation, okay, just Think of all
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  Speaker 2: the things you lose. You're no longer justified. You're no
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  Speaker 2: longer sanctified. There's no such thing as glorification with you.
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  Speaker 2: You're no longer converted. You're no longer indwelt by the
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  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. If you lose your salvation, your salvation is
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  Speaker 2: not on hold.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Your salvation is not paused. If you lose your salvation,
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  Speaker 2: it's gone. You are the person that you used to be.
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  Speaker 2: You are no.
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  Speaker 3: Longer a new creation. You're the old creation again.
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  Speaker 2: All those old things that passed away, they are now
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  Speaker 2: going to return because you don't have any part of
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  Speaker 2: the Spirit of God within you anymore.
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  Speaker 3: That's what happens if a person loses their salvation. It's
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  Speaker 3: all gone. It's all gone.
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  Speaker 1: Memories.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I remember when I used to go to church
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  Speaker 2: or I still go to church. or whatever the case
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  Speaker 2: may be. But you have no witness of the spirit
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  Speaker 2: on the inside if you lose your salvation.
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  Speaker 3: It's all gone. It's all undone. Okay? You once were
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  Speaker 3: a child of God. You're no longer a child of God.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: You were a son Or daughter of God because you
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  Speaker 2: gave your heart to him?
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  Speaker 3: Not anymore. Okay? You were adopted.
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  Speaker 2: All the words that the Bible uses that talk about
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  Speaker 2: the fact that we are in Christ, that we are adopted,
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  Speaker 2: you're not adopted anymore.
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  Speaker 3: You are no longer in the family.
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  Speaker 2: You either put yourself out or he put you out
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  Speaker 2: or whatever happened, you're not a part of the family anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So everything that you were is undone if you lose
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  Speaker 3: your salvation. Okay? Okay? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: The Calvinist side, the Calvinist side, they believe in perseverance
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  Speaker 2: of the saints. That means all who are truly regenerated
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  Speaker 2: and elected. Don't forget that word elected. All who are
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  Speaker 2: truly generated and elected by God will persevere in faith
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  Speaker 2: until the end.
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  Speaker 3: In other words, they will make it to heaven.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to make it to the end. They're going
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  Speaker 2: to make it to the end. No matter what happens,
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  Speaker 2: if they are truly saved, born again, indwelled by the
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  Speaker 2: Spirit of God, they will make it to the end.
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  Speaker 1: Period.
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  Speaker 3: End of story. Drop the mic.
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  Speaker 2: They're saved.
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  Speaker 3: They're in.
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  Speaker 2: And there's a lot of misunderstanding about that particular, because
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  Speaker 2: folk believe that if you believe that once saved, always saved,
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  Speaker 2: that means that you believe that you can still sin forever.
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  Speaker 2: and carry on and do whatever you want because it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't matter because you're in and nothing can take you out.
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  Speaker 3: Well, that's not true. That's not true. Anybody who believes that,
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  Speaker 3: anybody who believes once.
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  Speaker 2: Saved, always saved means that you can, now I'm in
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  Speaker 2: the family and I can still live how I want
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  Speaker 2: to live.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't really get saved. They're not truly regenerated.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: All right. So that's a quick review of last week.
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  Speaker 1: All right?
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  Speaker 3: Now, Quickly, what is conditional security? We spoke about it
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  Speaker 3: a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It's the counterpart view of eternal security, whereas eternal security
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  Speaker 2: says believers cannot be.
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  Speaker 3: Removed from eternal life and salvation.
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  Speaker 2: Conditional security asserts that contrary to eternal security, believers can
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  Speaker 2: be removed from salvation and, there's that word again, fall
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  Speaker 2: away from eternal life. The word conditional used in conditional security,
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  Speaker 2: says that security in Christ is conditional, okay, upon the
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  Speaker 2: faith response of the believer. So are you really secure
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  Speaker 2: or are you not? Does eternal life mean eternal life
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  Speaker 2: or not? That's what it all comes down to, all right?
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: So in support of conditional security, and this is the
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  Speaker 2: Arminian side, the basic argument is God gives us this
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  Speaker 2: freedom to choose him or reject him.
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  Speaker 3: Free will.
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  Speaker 2: God does not take away this freedom when we become believers.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: God does not take away the fact that we can
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  Speaker 2: say no to him when we become believers. That is
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  Speaker 2: something that we always have that.
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  Speaker 1: All right? All right.
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  Speaker 3: Here is Scripture. All right?
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  Speaker 2: Basic argument number two. Scripture plainly teaches, and this is
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  Speaker 2: the Arminian view. These next several verses, all are the
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  Speaker 2: Arminian view. The view that says that you can lose
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  Speaker 2: your salvation. Scripture plainly teaches, according to the Arminian, that
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  Speaker 2: one can.
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  Speaker 3: Lose their salvation.
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  Speaker 2: 1 Corinthians 15, verses 1 and 2. Moreover, brethren, I declare,
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  Speaker 2: this is Paul talking, I declare unto you the gospel
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  Speaker 2: which I preached unto you, which also ye have received,
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  Speaker 2: and wherein ye stand, by which also ye are saved,
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  Speaker 2: if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you,
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  Speaker 2: you believed in vain unless your faith was empty. The
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  Speaker 2: word vain means empty.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So this verse, for those who believe you can lose
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  Speaker 2: your salvation, is saying that, once again, that sentence, unless
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  Speaker 2: you believed in vain. To believe in vain means you
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  Speaker 2: once believed and now nothing's come of it.
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  Speaker 3: Okay? Nothing's come of it. That's what That's what that
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  Speaker 3: scripture seems to be saying.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, another verse. Okay, this is Jesus speaking. He says,
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  Speaker 2: and many false prophets shall rise and shall deceive many
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  Speaker 2: and because iniquity shall abound. He's talking about the conditions
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  Speaker 2: in the last days. The love of many shall wax cold,
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  Speaker 2: but he that shall endure unto the end the same
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  Speaker 2: shall be saved.
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  Speaker 3: So what is Jesus talking about?
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  Speaker 2: Is he talking about simply the conditions during the tribulation period?
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  Speaker 2: The condition of the end time? Or is he speaking
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  Speaker 2: of salvation? Is he talking about salvation? The Arminians, the
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  Speaker 2: Calvinists would say Jesus is not even talking about salvation here.
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  Speaker 2: He's talking about the end times. He's talking about how
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  Speaker 2: terrible it's going to be in the last days. But
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  Speaker 2: those who endure that period of time, the end, they
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  Speaker 2: will make it to the end. That's the counter argument
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  Speaker 2: from the Calvinists, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Here's another verse. It says, take heed, brethren, lest there
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  Speaker 3: be in any of you an evil heart.
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  Speaker 2: Of unbelief. Now remember, Paul was speaking to the writer
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  Speaker 2: of Hebrews. We believe it's Paul. It may not be,
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  Speaker 2: but it could very well be.
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  Speaker 3: The writer of.
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  Speaker 2: Hebrews is speaking to believers, Jewish believers. And he says,
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  Speaker 2: he says an evil heart of unbelief. And so this
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  Speaker 2: gives rise to the view that yes, a Christian, a
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  Speaker 2: believer can believe. can get themselves into unbelief, an evil
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  Speaker 2: heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God. Now,
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  Speaker 2: the Calvinists would say, is that what the writer is
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  Speaker 2: talking about? Is this what the writer is talking about?
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  Speaker 2: What the writer is talking about, according to the Calvinists,
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  Speaker 2: the Hebrews, the Jews, were being tempted to go back
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  Speaker 2: into law. That's the whole purpose of the book of Hebrews.
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  Speaker 2: They were being tempted to go back into law. And
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  Speaker 2: when he talks about here departing from the living God,
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  Speaker 2: it is a reference to the fact that they would
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  Speaker 2: be going back into law, not leaving.
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  Speaker 3: Their own salvation.
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  Speaker 2: That's the Calvinist counter to this particular verse.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So I'm trying to give both sides, ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 1: All righty. Next.
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  Speaker 3: Some more scriptures, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: From Revelation chapter 22 and verse number 19. Okay. And
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  Speaker 3: if any man, and if any man, let me go
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  Speaker 3: to that. I'm going to read this myself.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Because it's blocked on my screen here. And if any
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  Speaker 2: man shall take away from the words of the book
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  Speaker 2: of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out
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  Speaker 2: of the book of life and out of the holy
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  Speaker 2: city and from the things which are written in this book. Now,
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  Speaker 2: what is this saying? What is this saying? This seems
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  Speaker 2: to be saying that if you take away from the
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  Speaker 2: words of this book, what book? The book of Revelation.
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  Speaker 2: If you take away from the book of Revelation, you're
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  Speaker 2: taking away from the entire scripture. So he says here,
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  Speaker 2: if you take away from the words of this book,
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  Speaker 2: God shall take away his part out of the book
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  Speaker 2: of life, okay? His part out of the book of
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  Speaker 2: life and out of the holy city and from the
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  Speaker 2: things which are written in this book. And so this,
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  Speaker 2: according to the Arminian, is clear evidence that you can
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  Speaker 2: lose it all, okay? Lose it all based on taking
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  Speaker 2: away the words of this prophecy, okay? Based, this verse
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  Speaker 2: is talking about taking away from the words of this prophecy, okay?
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  Speaker 2: If you take away from this book, then you, he's
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  Speaker 2: going to take away your part out of his book
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  Speaker 2: of life.
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  Speaker 3: Scripture also talks about.
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  Speaker 2: The book, of the Lamb, the Lamb's book of life.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: Scripture also speaks about, okay?
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  Speaker 2: So once again, according to the Arminian, this is clear
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  Speaker 2: evidence that salvation can be lost. Salvation can be lost,
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  Speaker 2: all right? Here's another scripture. from 1 Corinthians chapter 9
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  Speaker 2: and verse number 17. It says, this is Paul the
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  Speaker 2: apostle talking, but I keep under my body and bring
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  Speaker 2: it into subjection lest by any means when I have
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  Speaker 2: preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So he keeps his body under subjection. He disciplines himself. himself, okay?
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  Speaker 2: This particular verse in the past, I'm not sure, I
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  Speaker 2: would not like to think that people still do it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there are people living in parts of the
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  Speaker 3: world that do it.
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  Speaker 2: This particular verse gave rise to self-flagellation, individuals whipping themselves
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  Speaker 2: or beating themselves to try to cure the carnal man,
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  Speaker 2: to keep their body under subjection. They would beat themselves
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  Speaker 2: to try to subdue carnal desires.
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  Speaker 3: And this verse gave rise to.
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  Speaker 2: Those people that did that, monks and people that live
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  Speaker 2: in monasteries and all that type of thing. But Paul says,
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  Speaker 2: I myself, I do this so that I myself should
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  Speaker 2: be cast away. Now we need to look at this
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  Speaker 2: word So we can understand just what Paul is talking
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  Speaker 2: about here. The word cast away means not standing the test.
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  Speaker 2: It means unapproved. It means that which does not prove
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  Speaker 2: itself as it ought. So the question is, according to
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  Speaker 2: the Calvinists, was Paul fearful of losing his salvation?
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  Speaker 3: Or was he fearful of losing his rewards?
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  Speaker 2: Was it salvation or rewards when he says he keeps
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  Speaker 2: his body under subjection?
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to some more scripture to try to bring
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  Speaker 2: this point out. Here's what we read in 1 Corinthians
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  Speaker 2: chapter number three, starting in verse number 12. 1 Corinthians
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  Speaker 2: chapter three, starting in verse number 12. Read it carefully.
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  Speaker 2: It says, now, if any man build upon this foundation, gold, silver,
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  Speaker 2: precious stone, wood, hay, stubble, it says, every man's work
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  Speaker 2: shall be made manifest, made known. For the day shall
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  Speaker 2: declare it because it shall be revealed by fire. And
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  Speaker 2: the fire shall try or test every man's work. Of
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  Speaker 2: what sort it is. Verse number 14. If any man's work.
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  Speaker 3: Abide. Which he hath built thereupon. He shall receive. Reward.
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  Speaker 3: Now this is the last verse I want you to get.
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  Speaker 2: Verse number 15. If any man's work. Shall be burned.
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  Speaker 2: In other words doesn't meet the test. Doesn't make the test.
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  Speaker 2: That's what Paul is saying here. When he says I
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  Speaker 2: should be cast away. He shall suffer loss. no rewards, okay?
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  Speaker 2: But he himself shall be saved, yet so as by fire, okay?
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: And that doesn't really mean by the skin of their teeth,
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  Speaker 2: but so as by fire. So the Calvinists would take
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  Speaker 2: that particular stand that if a man's work shall be burned, okay,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't meet the test, okay, unapproved, that he He will
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  Speaker 2: just simply suffer loss, okay? But he himself shall be saved, okay?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: This is Paul the Apostle speaking, okay? The same man
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  Speaker 2: who wrote this is the same one who wrote the
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  Speaker 2: other now. Another argument, okay? Basic argument number three, and
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  Speaker 2: we're still talking about the Arminians, okay? Scripture plainly teaches
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  Speaker 2: that salvation requires a continuous belief until death. You got
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  Speaker 2: to believe, okay? Your faith, your faith, your faith must
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: be in the Lord. Your faith must be in the Lord, okay?
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  Speaker 3: Period.
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  Speaker 2: Your faith must be in the Lord. What else can
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: we say? Listen, many people say their faith is in God.
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  Speaker 2: Many people say they have faith in the scripture.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
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  Speaker 2: I think all of those responses are adequate.
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  Speaker 3: All those responses are adequate.
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  Speaker 2: Now, as for those of us who subscribe to, I'll
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: put that in quotations, who subscribe to what we call
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  Speaker 2: the message of the cross, I'm sure that you probably
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  Speaker 2: have not always subscribed to the message of the cross.
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  Speaker 3: I know I did not.
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  Speaker 2: And the message of the cross, basically, in short, says
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: that our faith needs to be in the Lord Jesus Christ.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Our faith needs to be in the finished work of
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  Speaker 2: the Lord Jesus Christ. That's shorthand. That's the message of
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: the cross in very much shorthand. But that's the thought.
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  Speaker 3: That's the idea. Now, there was a time in my
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: life where.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea of that, no clue as to
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  Speaker 2: what that was, what that meant. I had no clue.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody ever told me. I never read it. I never
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  Speaker 2: heard of it, okay? But I was still saved. My
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  Speaker 2: faith was not in Christ and his finished work. Maybe
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: it was, but maybe I didn't express it that way.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't understand it, but it was. But I
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  Speaker 2: know that I was still saved even when I did not.
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  Speaker 2: have my faith completely in the cross of Jesus Christ
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  Speaker 2: as it is spoken. I didn't realize that I had
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  Speaker 2: done first Romans chapter three and verse number 25. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't realize when I was born again that I was
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  Speaker 2: putting faith in his blood.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know.
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  Speaker 2: I had no idea I was putting faith in his blood.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't even know what that means if you would
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  Speaker 2: have told me. If you would have told me that,
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  Speaker 2: 10 years after I was saved, I wouldn't know what
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  Speaker 2: you was talking about. I probably read it, but I
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: probably didn't put two and two together and understand that
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  Speaker 2: that's what I did when I got saved. But it was.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: I put my faith in his blood. I put my
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: faith in Christ. I put my faith in him. I
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  Speaker 2: put my faith in his word. I put my faith
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: in the cross. I put my faith.
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: When I said, help me, God, I was putting my
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: faith in everything. Okay?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: When when the thief on the cross said, remember me
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  Speaker 2: when you come into your kingdom, he was putting his faith.
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  Speaker 3: He was putting his faith in his blood. That was
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  Speaker 3: being shed at that moment. Okay. He was, he was
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  Speaker 3: doing that.
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  Speaker 2: So once again, if you don't have your faith in
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  Speaker 2: Christ and his finished work, it does not necessarily follow
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  Speaker 2: through that. You can't be saved. I mean, can't remain
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  Speaker 2: safe and put it that way. You, you, you put
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  Speaker 2: your faith in Christ. whether you knew it or not
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: when you got saved. But after you're saved, once again,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: everybody doesn't teach this. And I'm not invalidating it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a staunch believer of this. But everybody doesn't believe this.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody doesn't believe in putting their faith in Christ and
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  Speaker 2: his finished work. Everybody doesn't believe that. But guess what?
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  Speaker 2: I believe they are still saved. if they're indwelt by
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  Speaker 2: the Spirit of God, they're born again, they're saved. Now,
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: maybe their salvation is not, maybe their salvation could be
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  Speaker 2: more than what it is.
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  Speaker 3: You cannot be more saved. We know that. But if
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  Speaker 3: your faith is not in his finished.
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  Speaker 2: Work as we express it, you can still live a
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  Speaker 2: Christian life.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not trying to move people away from the cross
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  Speaker 3: at all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm just saying that Individuals have lived their entire
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  Speaker 2: Christian life without an understanding of this, this view, this concept.
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  Speaker 2: People have lived their entire Christian life without it, okay? So,
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: and once again, I'm not intending to invalidate the message
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  Speaker 2: of the cross, okay?
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: Not at all.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: Hebrews 3.6, but Christ as a son over his own
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: house whose house are we? If we hold fast the
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firmer to the end, okay? If, if, if,
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  Speaker 2: you're good. This verse says, whose house we are. We
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  Speaker 2: belong to him if, if you hold fast, hold firm
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: to the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope, firm
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: unto the end. Once again, this verse seems to be saying,
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  Speaker 2: you got to keep your faith in place.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: You got to keep your confidence in place. You got
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: to keep your rejoicing in place. If you don't, that's
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  Speaker 2: what the verse seems to be saying.
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  Speaker 3: All righty?
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: All righty.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: In support now of eternal security, in support of eternal security,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: we have a few minutes left. Basic argument number one,
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  Speaker 2: eternal security is a necessary and logical outcome of total
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  Speaker 2: depravity and unconditional election.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: Once again, eternal security says that God is sovereign over
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  Speaker 2: completely sovereign over all matters concerning your salvation, okay? It's
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  Speaker 2: the logical outcome. If you are totally depraved, there's nothing
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  Speaker 2: you could do except wait on God. God has to
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  Speaker 2: save you, okay? He elected you. He will save you.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: He will keep you secure. That's the Calvinist view, okay?
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Basic argument number two. Scripture plainly teaches that that one
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  Speaker 2: can never lose their salvation.
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  Speaker 3: Never, never, never, according to the Calvinists, okay? Here's some
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  Speaker 3: scripture verses.
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  Speaker 2: Verily, verily, I say unto you, this is Jesus speaking,
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  Speaker 2: he that heareth my word and believeth on him that
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  Speaker 2: sent me hath everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation.
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  Speaker 2: Jesus says those who hear his word and believe has,
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  Speaker 2: they have everlasting life. They have everlasting life and shall
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  Speaker 2: not come into condemnation, but is passed from death to life.
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  Speaker 2: And once again, the Calvinist said, the Arminian says, once again,
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  Speaker 2: it's contingent.
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  Speaker 3: Upon your faith.
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  Speaker 2: If you no longer believe, then your everlasting life will
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  Speaker 2: be cut short and it's not everlasting anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: And you will come into condemnation. Here's what I know.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Here's what I, at least I understand. I understand that
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: salvation is not a game. And if you can lose
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: your salvation, you can't lose it and come back. And
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: then somehow don't believe and lose it and come back.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: And then lose it and come back. There's no back
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  Speaker 2: and forth. That cannot be the case. That cannot be
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  Speaker 2: the case, okay?
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  Speaker 1: Alrighty.
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  Speaker 3: Argument number, oh. scripture verses.
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  Speaker 2: Once again, talking about whether or not you can lose
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  Speaker 2: your salvation.
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  Speaker 3: And this is the father's will.
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  Speaker 2: This is Jesus talking, which has sent me that of
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  Speaker 2: all which he had given me, I should lose nothing,
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  Speaker 2: but should raise it up again at the last day.
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  Speaker 2: And this is the will of him that sent me
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: that everyone would see it. The son, and believeth on
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  Speaker 2: him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him.
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  Speaker 3: Up at the last day. This is Jesus speaking.
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  Speaker 2: Now, it seems that Jesus is saying that everyone that
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  Speaker 2: has been given to him, he's talking about people. He's
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  Speaker 2: talking about the apostles, especially the disciples. Everyone that has
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  Speaker 2: been given to him, he says that I should lose
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  Speaker 2: nothing or no one.
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  Speaker 3: But what about Judas? He was lost.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, but Judas, once again, there's two sides of the coin.
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  Speaker 3: Was Judas saved or was he not? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Jesus called Judas a devil early on in his ministry.
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  Speaker 2: If Judas was saved, if Judas was saved, if Judas
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  Speaker 2: was a believer, let's put it that way, if Judas
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  Speaker 2: was a believer, he became an unbeliever very quickly.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: He was in and then he was out. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: Whatever happened with Judas, he was in, Jesus chose him,
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  Speaker 2: and then he was not in. Because Jesus says, when
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  Speaker 2: he had all the disciples together, have I not chosen
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  Speaker 2: you 12 and one of you is a devil? He
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  Speaker 2: didn't say that at the end of his ministry. He
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  Speaker 2: said that within the first year. At least he said
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  Speaker 2: that one of you is a devil and none of
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  Speaker 2: them knew he was talking about.
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  Speaker 3: OK.
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  Speaker 2: The Bible says that Judas was a thief. The Bible
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  Speaker 2: doesn't say that Judas became a thief. He said the
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  Speaker 2: Bible says he was a thief, which means that at
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  Speaker 2: the point in time that Jesus chose him sovereignly, he
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  Speaker 2: was a thief and he remained a thief. which indicates
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  Speaker 2: that he was not a believer, okay? That's what that indicates.
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  Speaker 2: So Jesus says that I should lose nothing, okay?
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  Speaker 3: All right, next. Verse, all righty?
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  Speaker 2: And this verse is coming from Romans 11, verses 28
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  Speaker 2: and 29. Romans 11, verses 28 and 29. It says,
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  Speaker 2: as concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes.
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  Speaker 2: Talking about, they are enemies for your sakes. But as
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  Speaker 2: touching the election, they are beloved for the Father's sake.
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  Speaker 2: The election, remember that word, election. For the gifts and
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  Speaker 2: calling of God are without repentance. And so the context here,
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  Speaker 2: he's talking about those who have been elected, those who
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  Speaker 2: have been elected. And he says the gifts and calling
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  Speaker 2: of God are without repentance. The Jews were elected. The
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  Speaker 2: Jews are elected. The Jews are God's chosen people. And
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  Speaker 2: this verse is saying.
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  Speaker 3: That, yes, they are.
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  Speaker 2: They're not doing the right thing. They're not doing the
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  Speaker 2: right thing at this point in time, at the point
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  Speaker 2: in time that this was written.
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  Speaker 1: But.
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  Speaker 3: The gifts and calling of God are without repentance. He
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  Speaker 3: chose them. He elected them. He called them.
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  Speaker 2: And he's not going to take it back. They're without repentance.
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  Speaker 2: Where repentance means to change his mind. It means that
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  Speaker 2: God did not change his mind. God has not changed
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  Speaker 2: his mind because they're the Jews. And we know the
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  Speaker 2: history of the Jews. All we got to do is
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  Speaker 2: look through the Old Testament, look through history. We know
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  Speaker 2: the history of the Jews, that God's chosen people. And
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  Speaker 2: they still remain God's chosen people. They are out of
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  Speaker 2: fellowship with the Lord now. I can use that phrase.
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  Speaker 2: It's not out of fellowship in a Christian sense, but
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  Speaker 2: they don't understand. They don't know Jesus. So they are
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  Speaker 2: out of God's will in that sense, but they are
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  Speaker 2: still his people. And the gifts and calling of God
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  Speaker 2: are without repentance. He has not changed his mind about them.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: And so those who believe in, those who believe that
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  Speaker 2: you cannot lose your salvation point to this particular verse
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  Speaker 2: saying that if God calls you and he elected you.
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  Speaker 3: There's nothing that you can do to get yourself out
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  Speaker 3: of it. You're in. And you don't have a desire
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  Speaker 3: to be out, okay? Next verse, next verse.
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  Speaker 2: We're coming down to the end, all right? In whom
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  Speaker 2: also ye trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth.
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  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Ephesians 1 and 13 and 14. The
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  Speaker 2: word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom
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  Speaker 2: also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that
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  Speaker 2: Holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession unto the
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: praise of his glory. Now let's look at, quickly, we
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: have a few minutes. We're gonna, we have.
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  Speaker 3: A few minutes.
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  Speaker 2: Quickly, we're going to explore what this means. Now, this
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  Speaker 2: is something that, Calvinists also believe. If believers can lose
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  Speaker 2: their salvation, they say, then why does Paul say we
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  Speaker 2: are sealed? We just read from Ephesians chapter one. Why
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  Speaker 2: does the Bible say that we are sealed unto the
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  Speaker 2: day of redemption? That's from also, it says it in
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  Speaker 2: Ephesians 4.30. Let's look at Ephesians chapter four and verse
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  Speaker 2: number 30. It says, and grieve not, do not sadden
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  Speaker 2: the Holy Spirit of God, whereby, ye are sealed unto
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  Speaker 2: the day of redemption, okay? We are here that we
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  Speaker 2: are sealed, sealed, sealed. Let's look at what this word
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  Speaker 2: sealed means. The significance of being sealed, okay? It signifies
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  Speaker 2: divine ownership, okay? In the ancient world, a king or
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  Speaker 2: a merchant pressed a signet ring into hot wax to
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  Speaker 2: stamp a document or cargo, making it its official property. Similarly,
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  Speaker 2: at the same time, the Holy Spirit makes believers, marks
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  Speaker 2: believers rather, to show they belong to God.
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  Speaker 3: He puts his seal upon them, divine ownership.
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  Speaker 2: Number two, the seal represents authentication and approval. The Greek
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  Speaker 2: word for seal, which is the word right there, sporadizo,
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  Speaker 2: you don't need to know that, signifies that God validates
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  Speaker 2: or certifies a person's genuine faith, a person's genuine faith. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: two more points here. It also represents, talking about the seal,
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  Speaker 2: it represents protection and security. A royal seal warned others
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  Speaker 2: that the contents were protected by authority and off limits
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  Speaker 2: to harm. The Spirit provides spiritual security against ultimate destruction
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  Speaker 2: or loss of salvation. And finally, the fourth point when
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  Speaker 2: we're talking about the significance of the seal, it's a
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  Speaker 2: down payment. Paul describes the Spirit as a guarantee or
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  Speaker 2: a deposit of the believer's future heavenly inheritance. Like an
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  Speaker 2: engagement ring or a business down payment, it is God's
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  Speaker 2: personal pledge that he will finish what He started. He
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  Speaker 2: who has begun a good work in you shall perform
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  Speaker 2: it until the day of Jesus Christ. Now, the Arminian,
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  Speaker 2: the Arminian genuine faith. My brother Terrence says genuine faith.
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  Speaker 2: That's key.
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  Speaker 3: Genuine faith. Got to be real. Okay. Genuinely a believer. Now,
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  Speaker 3: when we talk about the seal, it's all well and good.
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  Speaker 3: We are sealed. The seal.
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  Speaker 2: The Arminian says we have no problem. We are sealed.
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  Speaker 2: But once again, free will takes over. We are sealed
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  Speaker 2: by the Holy Ghost. The Holy Spirit has sealed us, okay?
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  Speaker 2: But according to the Arminian, the seal does not lock
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  Speaker 2: us in. It does not keep us as secure as
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  Speaker 2: you think a seal is.
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  Speaker 3: Because if I say that I don't want to be saved,
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  Speaker 3: if I don't believe.
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  Speaker 2: If I continue in sin and God snatches or takes
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  Speaker 2: my salvation away, or I say that my faith is
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  Speaker 2: no longer in Christ, then that seal, I can break it.
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  Speaker 3: It's gone. Okay? That's the Arminian. I'm sort of.
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  Speaker 2: Exaggerating a little bit, but that's the Arminian view.
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  Speaker 3: The seal can be broken. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: I've heard Pastor Lauren Lawson say it's a very difficult
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  Speaker 2: thing For an individual to lose their salvation. But he
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  Speaker 2: says it's possible. It's very difficult. That's what one person says.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure many say that.
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  Speaker 3: Alrighty. So quickly. Argument number three.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: Can't even read it. Because it's blocked there. Okay. Argument
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  Speaker 3: number three. This argument.
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  Speaker 2: Says that Christians can rest in the assurance of their salvation.
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  Speaker 2: And I'll give you one scripture. These things have I
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  Speaker 2: written unto you that ye believe on the name of
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  Speaker 2: the Son of God, that ye may know that ye
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  Speaker 2: have eternal life. That is the Calvinist view, that ye
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  Speaker 2: may know that you have eternal life and that ye
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  Speaker 2: may believe on the name of the Son of God,
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  Speaker 2: that ye may know.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: I said one more verse, two more verses. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Alrighty.
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  Speaker 2: These, these last, uh, these last two verses, um, I promise, uh,
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  Speaker 2: being confident, uh, of this very thing as the verse
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  Speaker 2: I just gave from Philippians one, six, being confident of
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  Speaker 2: this very thing that he who has performed, performed a
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  Speaker 2: good work in you will perform it until the day
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  Speaker 2: of Jesus Christ. The day of Jesus Christ is the
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  Speaker 2: day that he returns through the rapture and takes us
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  Speaker 2: all away or the point in time where we die.
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  Speaker 3: That's the day of Jesus Christ.
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  Speaker 2: Until the end, until our very end on this earth,
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  Speaker 2: he will perform the work in us, the work that
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  Speaker 2: keeps us who we are in him.
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  Speaker 3: That's what this verse is saying.
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  Speaker 2: And finally, and I give unto them eternal life and
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  Speaker 2: they shall never perish. Neither shall any man pluck them
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  Speaker 2: out of my hand. This is Jesus speaking. my father
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  Speaker 2: which gave them me is greater than all, and no
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  Speaker 2: man is able to pluck them out of my father's hand.
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  Speaker 2: And the Arminian view, which is very common, yes, no
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  Speaker 2: man can pluck us out of his hand, and even
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  Speaker 2: though our father who is greater than all, we can choose,
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  Speaker 2: we can opt to.
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  Speaker 3: Get out of his hand. Okay?
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  Speaker 2: That's basically the Arminian view. Yes, we're secure in his hand,
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  Speaker 2: but we can take ourselves out of his hand.
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  Speaker 3: We can get out. Okay? Using that same language. We
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  Speaker 3: can worm our way out of his hand.
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  Speaker 1: Okay?
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  Speaker 3: So, we presented both sides. Amen?
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  Speaker 2: We presented both sides of this argument, and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: I have a little bit more here, but we're going
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  Speaker 2: to stop right there. Yeah, I did have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit more. Well, let's look at it real quick. We
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  Speaker 2: still got a couple of minutes. We'll go to about nine.
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  Speaker 2: Those who believe in eternal security believe that if salvation
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  Speaker 2: can be lost, and these are the logical arguments put
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  Speaker 2: forth by those who believe that you cannot lose your salvation, okay?
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: If you can lose your salvation, according to the Calvinists,
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  Speaker 2: then the sealing of the spirit is meaningless. You're not
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  Speaker 2: really sealed. You think you're sealed, but you can get out.
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  Speaker 2: So you're not really in there. You can get out
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  Speaker 2: anytime you want.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Number two, Christ's righteousness is not enough. We have his righteousness.
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  Speaker 2: First Corinthians chapter five, first Corinthians chapter five and verse
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  Speaker 2: number 21.
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  Speaker 3: Real quick. First Corinthians chapter five. I'm sure that's where
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  Speaker 3: it is. Then again, it may not be. Okay. Second Corinthians.
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  Speaker 2: It's second Corinthians chapter five and verse number 21. For
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  Speaker 2: he has made him to be sin for us who
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  Speaker 2: knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness
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  Speaker 2: of God in him. But hey, if you can lose
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  Speaker 2: your salvation according to the Calvinist, then Christ's.
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  Speaker 3: Righteousness is not enough. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Number three, eternal life is not eternal. What does eternal
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  Speaker 2: mean if it doesn't mean eternal? Okay, does it mean temporary, really?
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  Speaker 2: Does it mean partly? What does eternal mean? Okay, once again,
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  Speaker 2: this is the logic of the Calvinists, those who believe
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  Speaker 2: that you can lose your salvation. God's promises fail. All
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: the scriptures that we spoke about that seem to prove
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  Speaker 2: that you cannot lose your salvation, they're null and void, okay?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: The cross is insufficient. If, according to the Calvinists, you
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  Speaker 2: can lose your salvation, if it all can be forfeited, okay,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: then the cross is insufficient and salvation becomes performance-based.
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  Speaker 3: You got to keep your faith.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't keep your faith, if you don't keep
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  Speaker 2: your faith in Christ, if you mess up, if you.
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  Speaker 3: Don't obey, it becomes performance-based. according to the Calvinist.
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  Speaker 1: Amen?
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  Speaker 3: So, there you have it, ladies and gentlemen. That is
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  Speaker 3: the final slide.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just say that there are individuals on both sides,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't put a slide, but there is, and
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: some people say that this is a cop-out, but there
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: is a such thing, I mentioned it last week, there
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  Speaker 2: is a such thing as a Calminian.
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  Speaker 3: A Calminian.
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  Speaker 2: A Calminian is someone who It's somewhere in the middle
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  Speaker 2: who adopt some of the views of the Arminian side
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  Speaker 2: and also some of the views of the Calvinist side.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: And it's an effort to sort of bring them together.
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  Speaker 2: And it's called Calvinianism.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So there you have it. We've laid out both sides.
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  Speaker 2: And there you have it.
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  Speaker 3: Amen.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for staying with us. Thank you
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: so much for being a part of this study. We
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  Speaker 2: pray that it has been beneficial to you. We pray
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  Speaker 2: that you will continue to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ,
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: who he is and what he has done.
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  Speaker 3: And just continue to trust him. Continue to trust him. Amen.
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  Speaker 3: That is what is most important.
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  Speaker 2: I've always said not to worry about these things that
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about so much.
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  Speaker 3: If you're saved, be saved, okay? If you love him,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: continue to love him, okay?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: If your faith is in the Lord, keep your faith
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: in the Lord, okay? And you should not be wondering
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  Speaker 2: or worrying either way. Did I lose my salvation? Can
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: I lose my salvation?
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  Speaker 3: If you know you're in Christ, you're in Christ. There
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  Speaker 3: you have it, okay?
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  Speaker 1: All righty.
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  Speaker 2: The next time we come together will be on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: I will be here on Sunday, on the Sunday sermon series.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: Thursday morning at 10 a.m., myself and Juliana Croshaw, we
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  Speaker 2: will continue in our study in the book of John,
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  Speaker 2: the gospel of John.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: I believe we are in chapter number two.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Amen?
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  Speaker 2: So there you have it. Once again, thank you so
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: much for being a part. It's been a good night.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: Thank you for the comments. God bless you, Cynthia and
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  Speaker 2: Sharon and Kathleen and Terrence, Mr.
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  Speaker 3: Walker. Yes, indeed. God bless you. Lakeisha, God bless you.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, thank you.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, I see Terrence has put a, a lexical, a summary,
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  Speaker 2: a word study here.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for that.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: A double negative, which can be a matter of fact.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Bishop Brown. Thank you also for watching.
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  Speaker 1: Amen.
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  Speaker 3: And, um, thank you all for being a part. Amen.
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• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: was a lot here tonight. Uh, But I thank you
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  Speaker 2: for all hanging in there.
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• 1:01:35
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  Speaker 1: Amen?
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