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#0130 _STORY INSPIRE: Decisions that transforman, with Michael Malice · INSPIRE STORY

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Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast
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by night, all day.
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Speaker 2: So, can we, can, what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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Speaker 2: Your face.
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Speaker 1: It's, I have carprosy sarcoma.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: No, I just wanted to have a fun look. It's
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my 10th time.
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Speaker 2: And what is a Lichtenstein? Is that what you said?
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Speaker 1: Roy Lichtenstein.
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Speaker 2: Who's that? He's the- Do you know who it is? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: You know the pictures. Pull up Drowning Girl. Jamie, pull
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it up. I get to say it.
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Speaker 2: This guy. Who's a comic book artist?
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Speaker 1: No, he's a pop artist. He drew comic books into
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paintings in the 60s. You've seen his stuff.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure. Yeah. I have now. I've seen them
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in memes. Exactly. Like a man backhanding a woman?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 2: That's not the meme?
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Speaker 4: No.
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Well, he's stepping on her hand right there.
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Speaker 1: That's his hand.
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Speaker 2: It's a guy's hand. Oh, it's a guy's hand.
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Speaker 1: It's a copy thing.
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Speaker 2: It's a feminine man. Oh, Jeff, I love you too,
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but okay. The dots. I get it.
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Speaker 1: This was a lot of... What I wanted to do,
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which I couldn't do, I wanted to do an Uncanny
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Valley look.
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Speaker 2: Hmm.
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Speaker 1: And look like a mannequin with lifeless eyes and kind
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of like Lex, right? But that was a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: Like CGI from 10 years ago.
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Speaker 1: Yes. Yeah. So I just went with this.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: I was on.
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Speaker 2: No, no.
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Speaker 1: This is– I was on Jordan's show last January 6th
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and I had the QAnon shaman paint my face with
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his look and I had a Russian fur hat and
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I had the boots and everything. And Jordan Peterson had
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to sit and talk to me for three hours looking
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like a complete mental patient. And you're going to forget
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in a couple of minutes when someone is looking like this.
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But for anyone tuning in, it's just like– and it's
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just the clips go wide. it's a lot of fun.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I know. I've done dozens of podcasts with Duncan.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Clowns and furries.
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Speaker 1: Why are they dressed like astronauts? Yeah, I think the internet,
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it's going in a... Yeah. Wait, isn't it saying like
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the face of evil? There's one that's... Yeah, the psychology
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of pure evil.
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Speaker 2: Michael Malice. How is Jordan doing? Is he okay?
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Speaker 1: I think he's doing better. I just talked to Michaela
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a couple of Days ago. I think he's out of
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the woods. I don't know how much I'm allowed to
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say or what's my place to say.
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Speaker 2: Can you say what happened to him?
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Speaker 1: I don't really know. I think you'd have to talk
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to her. This is really something I don't know what
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I'm supposed.
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Speaker 2: To– He just keeps going through this series of ongoing
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health crises. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And it's very– what bothers me a lot is how
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much glee people seem to have with this. And I
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think– It's like I was just saying a second ago.
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I think the internet is going in a dark place.
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Speaker 2: People. People are going in a dark place. The internet
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is leading them there, but it's people.
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's like a snake eating its own tail,
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don't you think? I think– and when AI starts validating
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your preconceptions, I'm very scared about the near future.
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Speaker 2: I'm very scared too because so many people are so
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easily led and so prone to whatever the ideology is
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at the moment, just full– full-scale adopting it.
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Speaker 1: I was on Gutfeld a couple months ago, and they
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were talking about how Sam Altman said Chad GPT is
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going to have erotica now. And everyone's like, well, what's erotica?
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They're making jokes. And I go, listen. I said, not
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that long ago, John Hinckley shot, in 1981, he shot
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President Reagan because he thought Jodie Foster was going to
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fall in love with him, you know, thereby turning her
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away from men forever, right? And I said, what happens
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when Chad GPT, you really hate Trump, but you really
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hate Joe Rogan or you really hate Fauci or Kamala
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Harris and your AI friend is ginning you up being like, yeah,
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they're terrible. Like there's 350 million people. You're saying out
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of those, 350 aren't going to try to do something? Right.
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Speaker 2: I mean they've already had chat GPT talk people into
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killing themselves. I know. I know. Whether it's chat GPT
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or whatever AI.
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Speaker 1: AI, right, right.
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Speaker 2: Language model.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am. And I don't see any breaks on this.
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And it's happening, I think, faster than we can, you know,
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the whole point of the paleo, not the whole point,
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but a large part of the paleo lifestyle is, you know,
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our biology has not kept up with our technology, right?
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And that kind of makes sense in a food thing.
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Push comes to shove, processed food, you should avoid whole food,
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natural food is probably better for you. That's just a
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good heuristic for anyone. But when you're talking about the mind,
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You know, people argue are human beings basically good, human
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beings basically bad. I think human beings are basically animals.
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And animals can be enormously collaborative and wonderful and work together.
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Even across species. You see these videos of like a
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dog saving a cow or whatever it is. But animals
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are also– I don't need to tell you. There's that
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chimp in all of us. And when that mob starts fomenting,
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like people want blood and they love it. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You also get all this– powerful reinforcement from other people
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in the group to tell you that you're doing the
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right thing and they support you.
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Speaker 1: And if you, the thing with the Epstein stuff online
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is just really kind of like, I remember five minutes ago, right?
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For the, for the, the blue pill people on COVID,
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if you don't care about COVID as much as I do,
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and if you aren't informed as COVID as much as
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I am, you want to kill grandma.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 1: Like you're told this explicitly.
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Speaker 2: Your kids should be taken away from you. Should be
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banned from society. Right.
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Speaker 1: And my buddy, Lou Perez, who's a great comic, he
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had a great tweet. He goes, if you don't have COVID,
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you can't spread COVID. I can't give it to you
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just because I'm a bad person. Right. But that was
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the mindset. And now there's so much. There's three million
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Epstein docs. If you are not as invested as some people,
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you are a kid toucher. You're covering for them. You
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want this to happen. You're complicit retroactively somehow. And I
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can't make heads or tails of it. I had Luke
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Rakowski on my show who's been a conspiracy– I'm not
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saying in a negative way– conspiracy guy for a very
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long time. He used to work with Alex. He broke
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it down. Then I had Michael Tracy on my show
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and he said, look, a lot of hysteria. I don't
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know who is right, who is wrong. But if I
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have any kind of skepticism, I am somehow wanting children
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to be abused.
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Speaker 2: It's insane. Well, it's also– it's like so much of
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it is cryptic. We don't necessarily understand what they were
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talking about.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: And if you say– Like what's beef jerky?
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. It's obviously kids. It's not just that
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it might be kids or probably– it's obvious. And if
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you're denying that jerky is obviously kids, you're denying that
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people are children. I'm not denying people are children. I'm
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just saying what if it's heroin? What if it's weapon?
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I haven't read all those emails. But the idea that
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it's definitely literally infants, it seems like I want to
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see some receipts.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be many things. I mean, it certainly
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is a code, which indicates, at least to me, that
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they were doing something they didn't want people to know about.
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Speaker 1: And I remember with the Pizzagate stuff, I talked about
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this in my book, and you're right, I had to
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get through this through the legal, because there was an
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email where it's like, oh, the maps or the flags
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are really angry today. So they're obviously not talking about
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maps or flags. It was obviously about something. We don't
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know what, but to pretend that there was nothing there
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is also disingenuous. It's clearly code. But How do we
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know eating is not code also? Like eating jerky could
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be like beating off, right? Or it could be killing someone.
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But the idea– no, the eating part is true. The
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jerky part is kids. And frankly, what bothers me is
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don't you want to hope that they're not eating kids?
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Speaker 2: Well, it's like people just want to know. And if
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they already were and have been doing it for a
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long time, that seemed– It was outrageous before a gigantic
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ring was exposed where there really was a sex trafficker
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who was compromising people and really was doing it at
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the behest of at least an intelligence agency, whether it's
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ours or the Israelis or whoever it is.
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Speaker 1: Or the Russians.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people want to say it's the Russians.
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Is there any validity to the Russian thing? I have
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no idea.
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Speaker 1: The reason I said the Russians is because I was
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on drudge. And the headline was, Epstein was Russian operative.
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So it was presented on Drudge, don't take my word
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for it, as, oh, there's the receipts. This is why
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I'm saying there's Mossad connections with him, obviously, especially with Jelaine.
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CIA is a no-brainer, because why didn't they bag this
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guy for years? I talked to Kurt Metzger about this,
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broadly speaking, and he makes the point, like, these are
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all interconnected. This idea that we're going to separate out, like,
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the CIA from MI6, they're buddies with each other. And frankly, that's,
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in many cases, a good thing. You want to be
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working with other countries if you have international trafficking or
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terrorism or crimes. But I don't know. I can't even
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finish the sentence.
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Speaker 2: Right, right. No, but you're honest. That's why. Now, the
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Russian thing, is there anything that makes sense to you
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to that? What is this going on here? New documents
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show Justice Department documents mention Russia thousands of times and
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Vladimir Putin over a thousand times. reflecting extensive Russia-related communications
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and contacts in Epstein's network. Emails, travel records indicate... Oh, okay. Okay,
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so there's real something to it. Epstein made multiple trips
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to Russia, obtained business visas, had scouts there recruiting young
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Russian women for him, of course, similar to his operations elsewhere.
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The files describe Epstein cultivating ties with Russian political and
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business elites, acting as a facilitator in deals and introductions,
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not just sexual encounters. Epstein repeatedly sought a meeting or
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back channel communications with President Vladimir Putin, at times suggesting
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he had advice or insight to offer about dealing with
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Donald Trump. He had documented ties to at least one
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former Russian official. with a background in the FSB, whom
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he used to gather information on a woman he claimed
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was trying to extort his business partners. Well, for sure
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you're going to have that. You've got a bunch of
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Russian hookers that you're bringing over there. Some of them
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are going to try.
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Speaker 1: To extort you. Putin was ex-KGB. The KGB for decades,
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for like almost a century, was blackmailing Americans. This is
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one of the big reasons why you couldn't be– there
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were restrictions against gays because if you were gay at
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a time when it was socially unacceptable and the Russians
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found out about it, they flipped you. Because they would
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sit you down and they'd be like, look, we know.
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We're going to out you. Or you're going to play ball.
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And in those situations, you're going to play ball. This
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is a huge scandal.
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Speaker 2: For a long time. And that's a big– there's a lot.
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There's a large percentage. I don't know what the population
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is of these undercover gay politicians. Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean politicians. I mean the bureaucrats, like people
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working for Johnson and FDR. This was a thing. And
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they would know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And they would have honeypots. It wouldn't be hard at
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that time.
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Speaker 2: Right. And for men, it's so easy to get us. Like, God,
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it must be hard to get women.
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Speaker 1: How would you blackmail a woman?
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Speaker 2: I mean, how do you trick them into fucking some
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guy they shouldn't be fucking? And why would anybody care? See,
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no one cares. Like if a woman has an affair
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on her husband and has sex with some hot guy
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on an island, everybody's like, you go, girl.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Stella got her groove back.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Stella got her groove back.
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Speaker 1: How would you– if I want to– okay, let's walk
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through this. If there's a CIA lady and I want
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to flip her, how.
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Speaker 2: Do I– You've got to get her to fall in
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love with you.
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Speaker 1: No, or you've got to get her husband to cheat.
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Or go threaten her kids. You got to threaten her kids.
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Threaten the kids. But that's a hard one.
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Speaker 2: But that's a different thing than getting her to do
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something that she shouldn't have done out of lust.
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Speaker 1: How do you blackmail a woman?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have a– that's probably why a lot
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of women are in trouble.
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Speaker 1: Why they are in trouble?
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Speaker 2: Aren't.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they aren't.
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Speaker 2: Right, because like I would imagine you would want them too.
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There's plenty of women politicians you'd want to compromise. I
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mean they did get Stacey Plaskett. She was cooperating with Epstein,
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going back and forth during Trump's administration.
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Speaker 1: Did you see also Kristen Sinema, that lawsuit?
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Speaker 2: Oh, no, no, no. I didn't see it.
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Speaker 1: So she was the senator from Arizona. She was a centrist.
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And of course they ran her out of town. And
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she broke up a marriage basically. And in North or
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South Carolina where she's being sued, you can be liable
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for damages if you're like the side piece.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I've seen that. And in the lawsuit– That's a
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crazy law. I know. That's a bitch-ass law.
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Speaker 4: I know.
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Speaker 1: And you're suing a senator and the thing– and I
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believe the filing completely because the filing said he had PTSD.
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So she was offering to give him psychedelics to help
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him heal, which I'm sure she did. And basically they
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just started a relationship. He left the wife and it's
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like this is unfortunate but it happens. But she's facing
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damages now.
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Speaker 2: That's so wild that that's a law.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Like what if the person was on the way out anyway?
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Speaker 1: That's his argument I'm sure.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm sure.
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Speaker 1: No, but the case– oh, no. We were a loving couple.
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We never had any problems. And Sanima shows up and
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now look at me.
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Speaker 2: How is that not the man's fault?
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Speaker 1: I don't– I think it's probably both.
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Speaker 2: Well, no.
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Speaker 1: She's suing cinema. She's not suing the guy, I don't think.
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Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: What a stupid fucking law.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. North or South Carolina?
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Speaker 2: There's some of them old school laws that are so dumb.
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How is that a law that people have to be together?
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People change their minds on people all the time. They
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don't want to be with someone anymore. You meet someone
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you really like. And you go, I don't, I can't
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imagine living the rest of my life without this person.
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And I've been trapped in this fucking horrible marriage. I'm out.
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And then that person gets sued.
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Speaker 1: She had some other funny thing about like, no, no,
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the guy texted her, like I think it was fuck
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the military. And she writes back only the hot ones.
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So there's like, so she got all the texts out
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of his phone.
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Speaker 2: That's funny. It's funny. It's a joke.
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Speaker 1: Right. But I also, it's like, I think it's when
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the feminists talk about the kind of, misogyny here. I
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think there is a bit of misogyny that you're blaming
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the woman and you're not blaming the guy.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. For that, like the lawsuit, that's crazy. That
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is such a bitch-ass lawsuit. North Carolina is one of
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a handful of states that allow jilted spouses to sue
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for alienation of affection to seek damages from a third
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party responsible for the breakup of their marriage. You should
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only be able to pay them in tissues. Ha ha ha!
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You should pay them in just crates and crates of tissues. Oh,
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you get $ 500, 000 worth of tissues. Just bring up fucking
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semis filled with tissues.
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Speaker 1: I just think it's so salacious.
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Speaker 2: Stupid.
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Speaker 1: You shouldn't need to know this.
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Speaker 2: Well, even if we do know it, the law itself
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is fucking preposterous. Alienation of affection. People decide they don't
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like people all the time. That's why divorce exists. Yes.
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And one of the reasons divorce exists is because people
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find someone they like more and they go, oh, I
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fucked up. I have to get out of this marriage.
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I'm in love with this other person.
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Speaker 1: And you don't always have to get divorced. There's plenty
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of marriages that survive shit like this.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true too.
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Speaker 1: So what's the counter that, fuck you, you're a bitch?
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Like he doesn't like you anymore?
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Speaker 2: But the lawsuit thing is, Curly, you can get money
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for that? Kristen Sinema has to pay this lady money.
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Speaker 1: Because she sucked that guy's– I think it's– Millions? I
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think she's suing for a lot.
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Speaker 2: How much?
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Speaker 1: Do you know what the damages are, Jamie?
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Speaker 2: Well, you go high just to settle.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the fact that there's no– I don't know
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what the ceiling is. I'm not a North Carolina attorney.
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Speaker 2: But it's not cheap.
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Speaker 1: It's like, I think the side piece, she's not a hoe.
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She's basically paying the wife alimony.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my God. It's real money? Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It's no joke, does it say?
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Speaker 2: Who would fucking... $ 75, 000 in damages.
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Speaker 1: That's it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: She gave $ 9, 000 to a man she's accused of.
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Speaker 1: Wait, if it's 75 grand, she would have paid it
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to shut her up.
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Speaker 2: Maybe she just doesn't want to out of principle. I.
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Speaker 1: It's got to be more than $ 75, 000. There's no way.
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You're a senator.
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Speaker 2: You're just going to– Maybe. Maybe because most people have
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the reaction that we're having. Like no one's outraged. No
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one's angry.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the response is– Oh, that's it.
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Speaker 2: Alienation of affection.
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Speaker 1: That's it?
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Speaker 2: Nicknamed the homewrecker law and is seeking $ 75, 000 in damages
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per her lawyers. She argued that a complainant– in a
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complaint that Sinema engaged in numerous unlawful acts with her ex-husband, including,
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but not limited to, having conversations with him. That's unlawful?
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Meeting him under emotionally and physically romantic and sexual circumstances.
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having sexual encounters with him, and encouraging him to leave
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his wife.
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Speaker 1: She took him to some concert together. I think it
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was like.
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Speaker 3: They said they went to a bunch of concerts.
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Speaker 2: They went to Coppola.
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Speaker 1: I think it was like Dave Matthews.
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Speaker 2: Green Day, U2, a bunch of stuff. Yeah. Well, is
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that a physically romantic and sexual encounter? Is that what
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that is?
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Speaker 1: Well, I think it's romantic.
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Speaker 2: Put that back up, please.
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Speaker 3: I was going to the concerts.
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Speaker 2: I mean, the lawsuit alleges that in the fall of 2023,
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when Sinema's then head of security resigned, the head disclosed
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to Matthew Amell... Concerns that Sinema was having sexual relations.
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What a bitch ass security guard. Sexual relations with other
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security members. The security head urged Matthew Amell to leave,
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but Amell refused.
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Speaker 1: I love the idea.
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Speaker 2: Citing the job's financial security. I love the idea.
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Speaker 1: Like, you don't want this gig. She'll fuck you.
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Speaker 2: She's fucking her security guards.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, more power to her.
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Speaker 2: She's a wild bitch. While on the job, Matthew Amell
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had at one point informed his ex-wife, according to her complaint,
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That should he and Sinema be together on a work
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trip to Napa Valley, California, it would have appeared as
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if they were on a romantic getaway. Huh? 2024, Heather
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Amell discovered that Sinema frequently messaged her ex-husband on Signal.
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which included a picture of the former senator wrapped in
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a towel and a suggestion that he bring MDMA. Yeah,
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let's go, Kristen. The drug commonly known as molly or
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ecstasy to a rope work trip so that Sinema could
18:08
guide him through a psychedelic experience. Wink, wink. In March
18:12
of 2024, Matthew Emmel and Ford informed his then wife
18:16
that while he was serving as Sinema's security at an event,
18:18
the former senator was getting handsy and that she held
18:23
his hand and touched him. According to the complaint, Matthew
18:26
Emil expressed that he didn't know how to get out
18:28
of the situation without offending Sinema.
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Speaker 1: She was also the first bisexual member of the Senate ever.
18:34
Speaker 2: What a good kid.
18:35
Speaker 1: So you know she's a freak.
18:36
Speaker 2: What a good kid. Molly, towels, pictures. Let's go.
18:41
Speaker 1: She's got my vote.
18:41
Speaker 2: I'm voting for again. She should run for president.
18:45
Speaker 1: Sinema for president.
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Speaker 2: Let's go, Sinema. Come on. She's a centrist. That's what
18:48
America needs. You want a women president. Let's go. Let's
18:51
get a freak in the office.
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Speaker 1: I think we have a freak in the office right now.
18:55
Speaker 2: He struggled to admit to the affair, the complaint says,
18:59
but expressed that he wanted a divorce.
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Speaker 3: Oh.
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Speaker 2: He struggled to admit to the affair, but expressed that
19:04
he wanted a divorce. After a November work trip, Heather
19:07
and Matthew Amell separated. Her complaint alleges that her ex-husband
19:12
and Cinema remained romantically involved. Cinema and Matthew Amell both
19:15
appeared at a forum in October. Are they still together?
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Speaker 1: I can't.
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Speaker 2: Those don't last.
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Speaker 1: It's only six states.
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Speaker 2: Chicks get bored once they win. Once they win and
19:27
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19:30
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Speaker 1: The security guard said explicitly she's boning all the security guards.
20:43
Speaker 2: She's a freak. Yeah.
20:44
Speaker 1: More power to her.
20:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, look, we don't have any problem with men
20:48
that do that.
20:49
Speaker 1: I think we do.
20:50
Speaker 2: Well, we do now. Some people do. I don't. There's
20:54
two types of people that want to be leaders. War
20:56
mongers and pussy hounds. I prefer the pussy hounds. Don't
20:59
leave your wife alone with them. But I prefer them
21:02
because at least they're just trying to get sex. They're
21:05
not trying to blow up the world and conquer and
21:07
like they want to be Genghis Khan.
21:09
Speaker 1: Is it your position that Lindsey Graham is not a
21:12
pussy hound?
21:13
Speaker 2: It is my position that Lindsey Graham is allergic to pussy. Yeah. Wait,
21:20
are they? Remember when they asked him if he was
21:22
going to run for president? He ran. Yeah, but he's single. Yeah.
21:26
And what about a first lady? He's like, maybe I'll
21:28
have a bunch of first ladies. Oh, my.
21:30
Speaker 1: Did he say that?
21:31
Speaker 2: He said something along those lines.
21:33
Speaker 1: I remember.
21:33
Speaker 2: Which is never something a man would say who's into women.
21:37
Speaker 1: Barbara Mikulski, who was the senator for Maryland for many years,
21:41
who was like 411 Hobbit creature, clearly gay, no disrespect
21:46
to her. She was asked about it. And she turns
21:49
to the guy next to her and is like, hey,
21:50
good looking. It was something like that. It was so
21:52
cringe and awkward.
21:53
Speaker 2: Yeah.
21:54
Speaker 1: So what did.
21:55
Speaker 2: Lindsey Graham say about having many first ladies?
21:59
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
22:00
Speaker 4: He mentioned his sister as someone who could fill in
22:03
for the role, it says.
22:03
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
22:04
Speaker 3: He would have a, quote, unquote, rotating first lady.
22:07
Speaker 1: Because, like, what, Dolly Madison did that. Like, there was
22:10
one of the first early founding fathers was a widower.
22:13
Speaker 2: Rotating his sister first and then rotating first lady. What
22:18
year was this when he was running? 2015.
22:23
Speaker 1: Do you remember the thing I remember about his campaign
22:26
is Trump had a rally and he gave out Lindsey
22:29
Graham's phone number.
22:30
Speaker 2: Right. He did.
22:31
Speaker 1: Oh, you don't remember this. So this is the best part.
22:33
Speaker 2: No, no.
22:34
Speaker 1: This is so insane. So Trump is like, cause Lindsay
22:38
would call him for campaign donations. And Trump's like, if
22:40
you guys don't agree, let's give him a call. He
22:41
holds up the pay goes, uh, three, four, five, blah, blah, blah.
22:45
And Lindsay. Yeah. Look at that face.
22:49
Speaker 2: His face. What is this world we're living in?
22:54
Speaker 1: No, no, no. But hold on.
22:55
Speaker 2: It gets even better.
22:55
Speaker 1: So Lindsay, like, how do I reclaim the narrative? Lindsay
22:59
filmed a video of him taking his phone and breaking
23:02
it with a hammer. And I'm like, but you still
23:04
have the same number. You just broke your own phone.
23:07
You're not trolling Trump at all.
23:08
Speaker 2: It's like if I– You just broke a device. Right.
23:11
You could have gone to Verizon and had your number.
23:13
Speaker 1: Switched, you fucking moron. If you give out my license
23:15
plate and I wreck my own car, I'm not trolling you.
23:17
I'm trolling me. I'm like– does no one realize this
23:21
doesn't make any sense? It was so crazy.
23:23
Speaker 2: Everyone is so performative.
23:24
Speaker 1: Is there someone who's a warmonger? Well, Putin is a
23:27
pussy hound.
23:29
Speaker 2: Is he, though?
23:30
Speaker 1: Yeah.
23:31
Speaker 2: He's more of a warmonger.
23:32
Speaker 1: But he's both. Did you not see with the topless girls?
23:35
Speaker 2: Oh, really? Here he goes. He's throwing it in the blender.
23:38
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
23:39
Speaker 2: He's hitting it with a hammer, a golf ball. Oh,
23:41
lightning on fire. Oh, let me see that swing. Let
23:45
me see that bad show. He put Red Bull in
23:47
with the phone? What's that about?
23:48
Speaker 1: I think it's gas lighter fluid, no?
23:50
Speaker 2: He didn't even get through.
23:51
Speaker 1: Oh, it is Red Bull. Why is it Red Bull?
23:55
Speaker 2: He hit it with a golf swing. He lit it
23:56
on fire. Like, this is so cringe.
24:01
Speaker 1: But it doesn't make any sense.
24:02
Speaker 2: He put it in a fucking... Bagel oven?
24:05
Speaker 1: Is that pizza bagels?
24:06
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. What's wrong with this dude?
24:10
Speaker 1: But your number's the same.
24:11
Speaker 2: What a silly bitch. That's back in the old flip
24:14
phone days, too.
24:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, 2015. Wow.
24:18
Speaker 2: He was still rocking a flip phone back then. No iPhone.
24:20
Speaker 1: People are rocking them now again because of surveillance things.
24:24
My friend Dave has one.
24:25
Speaker 2: Does a flip phone help you?
24:26
Speaker 1: I think so.
24:27
Speaker 2: How so?
24:28
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'd have to ask Dave.
24:29
Speaker 2: You can still get all those text messages.
24:33
Speaker 1: No, I think you're spending less time on the internet.
24:35
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah. But you could also just spend less
24:38
time on the internet. Yes.
24:40
Speaker 1: That is also an option. I think that's a healthy option.
24:43
You could do it. I want to hear your thoughts
24:45
on this. So during COVID, there was a huge amount
24:52
of time that everyone was spending online. Everyone's obsessed with COVID.
24:55
Everyone's constantly agitated. And my concern is that the social
25:00
media– Mark Zuckerberg's job is to keep you on Facebook
25:02
as much as possible, right? All that data that they
25:05
had during COVID is still there. And I think all
25:08
these social media companies are still keeping us in a
25:11
constant state of agitation. So you're stuck watching these screens
25:14
and it's really doing harm and it's not getting better.
25:19
Speaker 2: That's a fact. That's a fact. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, that's
25:22
a fact. But I don't think– Well, isn't he testifying?
25:24
They're testifying soon about whether or not they set up
25:29
their algorithms to harm children. They set up their algorithms
25:33
to addict children to their social media platform.
25:36
Speaker 1: Well, you remember Elsagate?
25:38
Speaker 2: Elsagate, yeah.
25:39
Speaker 1: That was the whole thing. Yeah.
25:41
Speaker 2: Explain that to people.
25:42
Speaker 1: Well, Elsagate was this– I still don't think we have
25:44
an answer. People made these– they don't even know where
25:47
it came from other than overseas– there are these bizarre
25:51
YouTube videos with millions of views where it'd be like
25:55
the Hulk, but he's like sniffing kids' feet and Elsa's
25:59
just doing like putting in a cage, like bizarre things
26:02
that is kind of sexual, but not really. And you
26:06
don't know what the purpose is, but because they were
26:08
like gaming the algorithm, you know, YouTube, Trump got in
26:11
trouble with this. When Trump was sharing that video, the
26:14
very end of it, went to a Lion King video
26:16
making fun of the Democrats. There's that one second of
26:19
the Obamas as apes from the beginning. They cut there
26:22
and it looked like he was sharing that. It was
26:24
just the next video that was queued up. And it
26:26
looks like Trump shared a video of the Obamas as
26:28
apes on purpose.
26:29
Speaker 2: Well, they're all in it. They're all in the video.
26:31
But I think it was like Hillary was a warthog.
26:34
Obama or Biden was also an ape. And he was
26:37
eating a banana.
26:38
Speaker 1: Pritzker was– It was the Lion King.
26:40
Speaker 2: Right. And Trump came out as a lion.
26:42
Speaker 3: Right.
26:42
Speaker 1: But the point is I think what he posted, he
26:44
posted only the first second.
26:45
Speaker 2: I don't think he posted it.
26:46
Speaker 1: Yes, he did.
26:47
Speaker 2: I thought it was an intern.
26:48
Speaker 1: Well, the point– I mean it's from his account.
26:50
Speaker 2: But someone reposted it, right? That's what it was.
26:52
Speaker 1: No, he reposted somebody else.
26:54
Speaker 2: I think his intern reposted it.
26:57
Speaker 1: But the point is– anyway, with Elsagate, kids start watching
27:00
one video and the algorithm just snags them.
27:03
Speaker 2: Yeah.
27:03
Speaker 1: And one hour later, they're watching– completely deranged stuff.
27:07
Speaker 2: The Elsagate thing was weird too because a lot of
27:09
it was like old cartoons and And what people were
27:13
saying is that if your child, like say if you
27:15
give your child an iPad and it goes from one
27:18
YouTube video to the next and then suggests, those got
27:21
lumped in there and you would click on it and
27:23
it was all of a sudden like someone would get
27:25
a bottle broken over their head. There'd be blood everywhere.
27:28
It was really weird.
27:29
Speaker 4: Right.
27:29
Speaker 2: And it's like a Mickey Mouse cartoon.
27:31
Speaker 1: And there was no utility to this.
27:32
Speaker 2: Are those still available?
27:33
Speaker 4: I'm looking at the Wikipedia says it's kind of, it's continued,
27:37
but it's switched from like the It's whatever's popular at
27:40
the time for kids. So back then it was Frozen
27:41
or whatever, and now it's like Minecraft.
27:43
Speaker 2: What are they doing, though? Like, why are they... Right,
27:45
it makes no sense. Like, why would they have these
27:48
cartoon characters get hit over the head with bottles? Because
27:51
you remember that one? Like, a lot of them, they
27:53
would get drunk and fall and break their head on
27:55
a fucking countertop or something.
27:57
Speaker 1: Or they'd be covered... I think this was another one
27:59
they were covered in dots for no reason. I'm not
28:01
even kidding.
28:02
Speaker 2: Really?
28:02
Speaker 1: It was just like, what is going on? Were they
28:05
eating weird stuff?
28:06
Speaker 2: So... Does YouTube remove those videos? Because there's plenty of
28:10
violent videos on YouTube. Like is it because they're– or
28:15
do they put like an age restriction on them?
28:18
Speaker 1: I don't think they did because what's the age restriction?
28:19
There's nothing sexual. There's nothing– Well, violence. But some of
28:22
them were just weird.
28:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Some of them were just weird.
28:24
Speaker 1: Like lots of shots of feet.
28:27
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of ones where kids got
28:29
left alone with creeps.
28:32
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. Cartoons. Very strange.
28:35
Speaker 1: But there was also live action stuff.
28:37
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
28:37
Speaker 3: Yes.
28:38
Speaker 1: And it's just like who are these people filming this
28:41
and for what– I saw another– there was this channel
28:44
which has millions of views for each video and it's
28:47
things like turtles vomiting up fish, like dead fish, like
28:51
live action or dead fish coming from the ground as
28:53
if it's– I don't understand what the point of this is.
28:57
Speaker 2: Do you remember during Benghazi they tried to blame the
29:01
attack on this video? Oh, that's right. You remember that?
29:05
Speaker 1: Of course.
29:06
Speaker 2: That was the propaganda was that there was some video
29:09
that no one had seen. Right. Like some terrible video.
29:13
Speaker 1: Oh, that got everyone all riled up.
29:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, that got the Muslims riled up and that's why
29:18
they attacked.
29:19
Speaker 1: And there was also– well, she was also blaming the
29:21
2016 election on ads on the dark web. It's like
29:24
how many people on the dark web? Do you even
29:26
know what it is? Right.
29:27
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Ads on the dark web
29:29
flipped the election. That's hilarious. That's insane. 50 incels. Right.
29:33
Speaker 1: Right.
29:34
Speaker 2: In a chat room.
29:36
Speaker 1: But that was– she says this all the time, Hillary,
29:38
to this day. Yeah.
29:40
Speaker 2: Well, she just says it. She doesn't have to be
29:43
credible anymore. It's like we just know that that kind
29:47
of– if you're having a one-on-one conversation with her just
29:51
privately and she started talking like that, you'd be like,
29:52
what are you talking about? This doesn't make any sense.
29:54
Speaker 1: Do you really believe that? Did you not see when
29:55
she got clowned in Europe this week?
29:57
Speaker 2: I did with the Czechoslovakian guy. Yeah. Yeah. It was funny.
30:00
Speaker 1: It was very funny.
30:01
Speaker 2: But the way she was interrupting too. You want women
30:04
to have their rights taken away? Like what? That's not
30:06
what he's saying. He's literally talking about all this crazy shit,
30:10
these gender transitions, and people were really like they'd had
30:14
enough with the immigration. People had had enough. You're pretending
30:17
that's not real? Like this way forward. Like if the
30:20
Democrats– want to have a way forward where they connect
30:23
with people. You got to admit that there was some
30:26
reason why people were responding the way they did to
30:29
a fucking open border, to men playing in women's sports,
30:32
to all this shit, gender transitions of children. Like people
30:37
were freaked out and not just fucking Republicans. A lot
30:41
of people.
30:41
Speaker 1: Yeah. Karen's a swing voter. Karen doesn't like this kind
30:43
of stuff.
30:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
30:44
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw, did you see Nancy
30:46
Pelosi's retirement video? No. Well, you laugh, but Nancy Pelosi
30:50
is probably the smartest politician in Washington in terms of
30:52
being crafty. Like she knows how to fucking get a
30:55
bill passed. She knows how to make people walk the plank.
30:57
So she's retiring from Congress this year. She had this
31:00
10-minute long video about saying goodbye to San Francisco, 10 minutes.
31:05
She talks about AIDS at length, right? Because obviously it
31:07
affected San Francisco. Doesn't mention the word gay once, even
31:11
in the context of AIDS. Doesn't mention LGBT. Doesn't mention
31:13
black people, people of color. She mentions how much she
31:16
loves going to church.
31:18
Speaker 2: St.
31:18
Speaker 1: Thomas of Assisi and Veterans Day. So I'm like she
31:22
knows what you're saying. You've got to pivot and start
31:25
talking about pocketbook stuff. But then Gavin Newsom recently undid
31:29
his– he backtracked with Charlie Kirk when he's just like, yeah,
31:32
I know about men and women's sports. And now he's
31:34
doubling down on trans kids, which is– Is he really?
31:38
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
31:38
Speaker 1: He just started doubling down.
31:39
Speaker 2: God. How does he think that that's going to work now?
31:43
Speaker 1: I think he thinks he's got to get through that primary.
31:46
Speaker 2: Right, but does he not know that people are done?
31:50
Speaker 1: No, because I'm sure he has better polling than you
31:53
or I, and I'm sure.
31:55
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm just naive about California.
31:57
Speaker 1: Well, it's not California. It's the Democratic base who's going
31:59
to vote for him. You know, he's also killed his mom.
32:03
Speaker 2: What?
32:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did assist Susan and his mom. He bragged
32:06
about it to The Washington Post. You didn't know this?
32:08
Speaker 2: No. What was wrong with his mom, though?
32:10
Speaker 1: I'm sure it was something awful, but when I hear
32:13
a politician— talking about something that personal, that publicly, I
32:17
am not going to look at it through a positive vein.
32:20
And this maid stuff is in 14 states now. Did
32:22
you know this?
32:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in Canada, it's off the hook.
32:26
Speaker 1: You know, Kelsey Sharon, I've been talking to her about this.
32:28
She completely blew my mind. So first it used to be,
32:31
because it's always, oh yeah, 55.
32:36
Speaker 2: Long battle with breast cancer, deeply personal event. He is
32:39
described as a complex experience involving assisted suicide. The Washington report,
32:44
Washington Post report and his memoir expressed deep grief and
32:48
remorse regarding her death.
32:50
Speaker 1: Remorse is a very dark word in this context.
32:53
Speaker 2: He was 34 and a San Francisco supervisor at the time.
32:59
But maybe it was his mom's decision and he helped her.
33:02
Speaker 4: Sure.
33:03
Speaker 2: But look, if you're dying of terminal cancer and your
33:05
body's rotting out, I feel like just like you put
33:09
a dog down. Like there's times where I think assisted
33:12
suicide is probably a good option if there's no hope
33:15
and you're just going to be in agony for months.
33:17
Speaker 1: And there's times where people have gender dysphoria and it's
33:20
a good thing.
33:21
Speaker 2: Right. That's different.
33:23
Speaker 1: Hold on. It's not– my point is people like Blair White,
33:26
Brianna Wu, they have gender dysphoria. It's perfectly appropriate to
33:29
call them a she. It's otherwise very disturbing. Five minutes later,
33:35
once it becomes a political issue– It's anyone who just
33:37
puts on a dress. So the point that Kelsey has
33:40
been going on with Canada is now they're going after
33:43
people who are depressed. They're going after people who are disabled.
33:45
They're going after kids. And the darkest thing that's happening
33:48
over there, which they're importing here, is old people are
33:52
extremely expensive for the system. If you have socialized health care,
33:56
I don't know what the number is. It's a huge number.
33:57
Towards the end of your life, you're racking up those bills.
34:00
So there's a huge incentive for that government to get
34:03
you off of their ledger. So now they're having this
34:06
movement where let's all get together and have– we're all
34:11
going to go kill grandma. Five minutes ago, if you
34:13
don't wear the COVID mask, you want to kill grandma.
34:15
You're a bad person. Now if you don't want to
34:17
kill grandma, you're a bad person. You don't want to
34:19
end this way. You were such a strong person. Die
34:22
with dignity, blah, blah, blah. It's not always terminal stuff.
34:26
And in Europe, they're having it with teenagers who are depressed.
34:30
And you know perfectly well– everyone listening to this knows–
34:32
It's not a slippery slope. It's an elevator shaft. Is
34:35
this– This is the back door.
34:36
Speaker 2: Is it financial incentive?
34:38
Speaker 1: It's a huge financial incentive. Think about it. If you're
34:40
old and you're $ 1, 000 a day and the government is
34:43
paying it, if I get rid of you, look how
34:45
much I'm saving. Right. Oh, you don't want to be
34:48
a burden to your family? You don't want to have
34:51
them sitting by your bedside?
34:53
Speaker 2: Come on.
34:55
Speaker 1: It's happening here. New York just passed it. It's 14 states.
35:00
New York passed it? New York just passed it.
35:03
Speaker 2: Oh. You see Mondami is like– he's trying to figure
35:06
out a way to use his budget. His budget is
35:09
higher than the entire budget of the state of Florida,
35:12
which has three times more people.
35:14
Speaker 1: No, it's not. Is it really? Yes, it is. Yeah.
35:16
Speaker 2: No way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look it up. The budget
35:20
for New York City is larger than the budget for
35:23
the state of Florida.
35:25
Speaker 1: Holy– I did not know this.
35:27
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm pretty sure this is true. We should look
35:29
it up. But I was reading an article about it today.
35:32
Unless the article is completely full of shit. They were
35:34
saying that it's several billion dollars more for New York
35:38
City than it is for the entire state of Florida,
35:40
which has roughly three times as many people living in it.
35:43
Speaker 1: Is that true, Jamie? I go back once a month
35:48
to do Gutfeld. And I can't believe I'm saying this
35:52
as a former New Yorker. But I like L.A. better
35:54
now than New York. Whoa. It hurts me physically to
35:58
say this.
35:58
Speaker 2: What's wrong with New York now?
36:00
Speaker 1: There's no.
36:01
Speaker 2: Here it is. Eye-popping amount. Insider called Insanity is up
36:06
around $ 11 billion from the current year. That's like 9% up.
36:11
A record $ 127 billion budget proposal on Tuesday. The socialist leader,
36:15
city leader's plan includes a whopping 9.5% proposed property tax hike.
36:19
Holy crap. 9.5% hike. On New Yorkers, which he claims
36:25
would be a last resort while allocating another $ 1. 2 billion
36:30
for migrants. Migrants.
36:33
Speaker 1: What's the Florida budget, Jamie?
36:36
Speaker 2: Scroll down a little bit. Okay. Wow. Oh, my God.
36:41
Speaker 1: It's the same. It's about the same.
36:42
Speaker 4: Yeah, the New York one would have been that this year.
36:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's comparable.
36:46
Speaker 2: Holy crap. So it's not three times more, whatever the
36:49
fuck it is, more. No, three times more people, right? Right.
36:53
Speaker 1: So that is triple per capita.
36:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, triple per capita. So the budget of Florida House
37:00
is $ 113. 6 billion to $ 115 billion. And the New York
37:01
proposal is– $ 127.
37:09
Speaker 1: Billion.
37:09
Speaker 2: So it is more. So New York City, their budget
37:14
is more than the entire state of California with three– Florida.
37:18
Excuse me. State of Florida with three million more people–
37:20
or three times the people.
37:22
Speaker 3: Holy crap.
37:22
Speaker 2: I can't even talk.
37:23
Speaker 4: But for this year, it would be about the same
37:25
because if it's 11 million, that's 116.
37:26
Speaker 1: Sure.
37:26
Speaker 3: That's about the same.
37:28
Speaker 1: But the point is it's still.
37:30
Speaker 2: Well, it says it's up 11 billion from the current year.
37:32
Speaker 1: It's still a proposal though. He hasn't passed it.
37:35
Speaker 2: Well, he's not– he's a fucking psychopath. The amount for
37:40
migrants is crazy. There should be zero dollars for illegal immigrants. Zero.
37:44
Speaker 1: I don't think you can have zero because if they're
37:46
going to be there, they're going to be– you have
37:48
to feed them. You have to do something with them.
37:53
Like literally if you don't feed them, they're going to
37:55
be robbing stores. They have to– Human beings need food.
37:58
What are you going to do?
37:58
Speaker 2: Get them jobs.
38:00
Speaker 1: How are you going to get a migrant a job?
38:02
Speaker 2: Get them a job in Guatemala.
38:03
Speaker 1: Wouldn't you rather give them food than a job? I
38:05
don't want them taking American citizens' jobs.
38:07
Speaker 2: Well, the whole thing is a mess.
38:08
Speaker 1: The whole thing is a mess. But the point is
38:09
you can't just throw them away.
38:11
Speaker 2: Right.
38:11
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
38:12
Speaker 2: Unless you're going to remove them from the country. Right.
38:14
Speaker 1: Unless you're moving– even if you want to put them
38:16
in jail, that's not cheap.
38:17
Speaker 2: Right. That costs a lot of money. Right.
38:18
Speaker 1: So what are you going to do? I remember Piers Morgan.
38:23
had this amazing interview with my favorite British politician, Diane Abbott,
38:26
who is really special needs, clearly. And in the UK,
38:30
you have the government, which is members of parliament from
38:33
the majority party. And then you have the minority party
38:37
which has a shadow cabinet. So if there's a secretary
38:40
of state, Rubio, the Democrats would have a Democrat equivalent
38:43
who would deal with those issues. And she was their
38:46
shadow home secretary, which deals with immigration. And he goes, Diane,
38:50
if the Labour government wins the next election– and you
38:53
have illegal immigrants here. What do you do with them?
38:55
Do they get to stay? Do you have amnesty? You're
38:57
going to deport them. And he goes, she goes, peers,
39:00
the Tory, uh, system is not fit for purpose.
39:03
Speaker 2: It's terrible.
39:04
Speaker 1: We'll be more efficient and more fair. And he goes, right. Gotcha.
39:09
There's an illegal immigrant. Do they get to stay or
39:12
are they deported? I've explained this to you. And she's just,
39:15
it was just this amazing thing.
39:17
Speaker 2: Circular.
39:18
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love her.
39:20
Speaker 2: Um, How much money do they give to poor New Yorkers?
39:25
Speaker 1: Oh, it's going to be a lot.
39:27
Speaker 2: But is it the same amount? Oh, there it is.
39:28
Speaker 1: Look at this.
39:29
Speaker 2: Okay.
39:29
Speaker 1: Okay.
39:31
Speaker 2: Look at this. Okay. So $ 7. 54 billion to fill cliffs
39:35
across six major unbudgeted needs.
39:40
Speaker 3: They haven't raised property taxes there in over 20 years.
39:42
Speaker 1: Is that true?
39:43
Speaker 3: That's what this says. It's 25 years since September.
39:45
Speaker 2: Well, the property taxes are high. I'm just– just a point.
39:48
But I understand they haven't raised it, but they shouldn't
39:51
raise it.
39:52
Speaker 1: Because it goes with– as property values go up, the
39:55
percent is going to go up. The revenue is going
39:57
to go up as well.
39:57
Speaker 2: Exactly. There's no reason to raise it. Like this idea
40:00
that they haven't done it so they should do it
40:01
is crazy. Look at that.
40:03
Speaker 1: So if your condo is $ 120, 000, which is– no condo
40:05
is going to be that cheap, you're paying like 15
40:08
percent every year in property tax.
40:11
Speaker 2: Yeah.
40:12
Speaker 1: That's not nothing.
40:13
Speaker 2: That's not nothing. I think the idea is that rich
40:15
people are just going to pay it. And this is
40:17
what they're trying to push. Meanwhile, people are going to
40:20
flee just like they've done in other countries when they've
40:24
done these sort of wealth taxes. That's $ 1, 200 a month, though.
40:28
Speaker 1: A month. So $ 1, 200 a month, yeah. $ 1, 200 for the year.
40:35
Speaker 2: A condo assessed at $ 120, 000 would go from paying $ 14, 000
40:36
to $ 16, 000. But that's a condo that's assessed at $ 120, 000.
40:37
Good luck finding a condo assessed at $ 120, 000 in New
40:38
York City. $ 14, 000 divided by 12 is– Well, for that
40:39
particular condominium unit. From $ 15, 000 to $ 16, 300, that's a difference
40:43
of– Oh, I see. That's what you're talking about.
41:02
Speaker 3: Right.
41:03
Speaker 2: That's 12% on $ 120, 000. Now do a $ 55 million condo.
41:07
This is a $ 3. 2 million one. The really wealthy people
41:11
are responsible for a large percentage of the tax income
41:14
in New York City. I think it's the upper 1%.
41:18
I think the upper 1% of New York City are
41:20
responsible for 50% of the tax revenue. It's something crazy
41:24
like that. See what the actual number is. So the
41:27
thing about that actual number is those are the people
41:30
that are going to leave. Because those are the people,
41:32
if they own multiple properties in New York City and
41:35
then he hits them with this tax and it winds
41:38
up being an excessive amount of money. And then they're
41:41
planning on taxing people if they leave. This is like
41:44
what they proposed in California. They've also proposed this, I think,
41:47
in the Netherlands to try to stop people from leaving.
41:49
Speaker 1: Right.
41:50
Speaker 2: Where you still have to pay taxes.
41:51
Speaker 1: Or France was doing some weird thing. I remember when
41:53
Depardieu was leaving, they were trying to do something.
41:55
Speaker 2: They're all just trying to steal money. Top 1% of
41:57
New York City income. Yeah. Earners paid 48% of the
42:01
city's personal income tax liability in 2021, the most recent
42:05
year with detailed data. Why is the most recent year
42:07
five years ago? The PIT share equates to roughly 11%
42:12
of New York City's total tax revenue. PIT accounts for
42:15
23% of overall city tax collections. So it's a lot
42:19
of money. 48% of the city's personal income tax liability
42:22
is an enormous amount of money.
42:23
Speaker 1: So property tax is 45%. That's where they get all
42:25
their money from, which you can understand because you can't
42:27
take the Empire State Building somewhere else.
42:29
Speaker 2: Right. But if you're jacking all that up, top 1%
42:33
paid 40% of PIT. Shares may have declined post-2021 due
42:37
to lower capital gains.
42:38
Speaker 1: But he did do something I liked. So him and
42:40
Kathy Hochul had this thing where now they're trying to streamline.
42:43
I'm sure there's some catch to make it easier to build.
42:46
Because they're understanding if rents are high, increasing supply is
42:50
going to lower costs. So if they do that, I
42:52
think that's a great thing obviously, which I never saw coming.
42:55
Speaker 2: Right. That's definitely good. But there's still people who are
42:59
just– they don't like that kind of leadership. It's spooky.
43:02
Speaker 1: I'm much more concerned about– he has someone on his–
43:05
in his cabinet or proposed to be in his cabinet
43:07
who's concerned with decarceration. And the principle is we got
43:12
too many people in jail. Now, maybe that might be
43:15
true broadly speaking, but when you apply that en masse
43:18
and on a case-by-case basis, who are you going to
43:20
be letting out? Because I don't think this claim people
43:23
used to have that like, oh, all these people are
43:25
in jail because of weed. They're not. It's certainly not
43:28
in New York City. When I was on a grand
43:29
jury and these weed cases came along, people wouldn't even
43:32
indict them. They're just like, we're not taking part of this.
43:35
This is BS. And now it's legal. So for you
43:38
to get to look at– what's the guy who was
43:40
on the Jordan Neely? Was that his name? But he
43:42
had 40 arrests. The one who punched that girl in
43:44
the face, the old lady in the face and tried
43:45
to kidnap a girl?
43:46
Speaker 2: Yes.
43:46
Speaker 1: So for you to be in jail in New York,
43:49
it's not nothing.
43:50
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. And why? Why would they want to do this?
43:55
Speaker 1: Because their principle is the system or society, whatever you
43:59
want to call it, whatever your term for it is,
44:01
is making people who are marginalized desperate. So they act out.
44:07
So instead of putting them in jail, which helps no
44:10
one is the argument. We should be working with them
44:12
systemically to kind of normalize and make productive citizens.
44:17
Speaker 2: Out of them. And what's their plan for that?
44:20
Speaker 1: You have welfare programs, different training programs. Just throw money
44:23
at it. And here's the thing. I can understand that
44:27
argument maybe if someone's stealing bread to feed their family.
44:31
I've never understood how. I'm really poor, so I'm going
44:34
to hold a woman down and do bad things to her.
44:37
That's not a thing.
44:37
Speaker 2: Or just randomly punch people in the streets or throw
44:40
people in front of trains.
44:42
Speaker 1: That's right. It's like that's not– it's not because you're
44:44
late to your job interview that you shove somebody in
44:47
front of the sixth train.
44:48
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. It's dark, man.
44:50
Speaker 1: It's very dark. But LA is not as dark as
44:53
this from what I– I think in LA there is
44:56
this– still this sense of hope.
44:58
Speaker 2: Really? Because people I talk to in L.A., everyone I
45:01
know knows someone who's been broken into. Like the home invasions.
45:05
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.
45:06
Speaker 2: That's the thing. They're up in a huge way.
45:09
Speaker 1: I'm just comparing two different kinds of cancer. And I'm
45:12
saying the cancer in L.A.
45:14
Speaker 2: Is better than the cancer in New York?
45:15
Speaker 1: Yes. Because I remember growing up and not that long
45:21
ago with New York, you could find some new neighborhood.
45:24
And there'd be some cool ice cream store, some sock store, whatever,
45:28
a button store, cool little spots. And it would be
45:31
a fun adventure to just walk around and just walk
45:33
in different places. And that's gone.
45:35
Speaker 2: Is it?
45:36
Speaker 1: Yeah. You can't open up some weird little store in
45:39
New York anymore. The rent's through the roof. Like the
45:42
crime is through the roof. It's miserable.
45:45
Speaker 3: L.A.
45:45
Speaker 1: Has these little pockets, which I enjoy seeing.
45:48
Speaker 2: So what's the solution for New York after this guy's out?
45:53
Do you think that it ever turns around or do
45:55
you think it keeps going in the same general direction?
45:57
Do you think the powers that be want it to
45:59
go in this general direction?
46:00
Speaker 1: It always turns around. So John Lindsay was mayor in
46:03
the late 60s during like the summer of love stuff.
46:06
You had sexual assaults through the roof. You remember New
46:09
York was going bankrupt under Abe Beam when Gerald Ford
46:12
was president and Ford– the headline– I think the New
46:15
York Post was Ford to New York City dropped dead
46:18
and that cost him some votes and possibly the presidency.
46:22
But New York– Has these– I don't know what the
46:24
cycle– for Giuliani to win, you had to have a Dinkins.
46:27
For Obama to come in, you had to have a Bush.
46:30
But here's the other problem. There's two issues. One is
46:33
a lot of people who could left. There didn't used
46:37
to be a plan B for New York because New
46:38
York was its own thing.
46:39
Speaker 2: Now it's Florida.
46:41
Speaker 1: Now it's Florida or Austin.
46:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.
46:43
Speaker 1: And New York isn't New York anymore because Fran Lebowitz,
46:47
my second favorite public speaker, she had this point. She goes, look,
46:49
there's a lot of things you could say about a city.
46:52
that's full of rich people. You could say it's good.
46:53
You could say rich people are bad. You can't say
46:55
it's interesting. And unless there's a space for young people
46:59
of nothing to lose who are going to bring culture
47:03
and innovation.
47:03
Speaker 2: Artists.
47:04
Speaker 1: Artists. Broadly speaking, not just little painters, but artists. It
47:08
was Williamsburg. It was the Bowery before that. There were
47:12
little pockets of magic. And Red Hook, I remember there
47:16
was a bar called Lily's and All of Red Rock
47:19
was deserted and there's just one light open and I
47:21
came to this bar and there were these amazing singers.
47:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
47:24
Speaker 1: It was like a mystical experience and there'd be street art,
47:27
but that's, you can't do that now.
47:28
Speaker 2: A friend of mine's girlfriend used to work in this
47:30
place called Den of Thieves.
47:31
Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
47:32
Speaker 2: Yeah. And there's no sign. Right. You go in there,
47:35
there's this dingy little hole in the wall.
47:37
Speaker 1: Or Milk and Honey was another one.
47:38
Speaker 2: This place is so cool.
47:39
Speaker 1: It's so cool, but you can't do that anymore.
47:42
Speaker 2: No.
47:43
Speaker 1: So, and I don't think under this guy, there's going
47:46
to be.
47:49
Speaker 2: So do you think he's just appealing to this base
47:54
of disenfranchised young people that have been told that the
47:57
reason why they have all these problems is rich people
48:00
are greedy and they've ruined everything and we should tax
48:04
the rich and we'll feed the poor?
48:05
Speaker 1: I think he is speaking to a lot of– so
48:08
people on the right think everyone on the left is
48:10
like a big monolith. They're not. And I think there's
48:13
a lot of lefties, especially young lefties– who don't think
48:16
the Democratic Party is an effective mechanism toward resolving their
48:20
issues and concerns. And he's not– just like Trump wasn't
48:24
really a Republican. He's a Republican on paper. We had
48:26
no allegiance to the Republican Party. He took them all
48:28
out one at a time. This guy is a democratic socialist.
48:31
He has no– in 1934 when Upton Sinclair ran for
48:35
governor of California after years of running as a socialist,
48:38
he goes, people vote for the party their grandparents voted for.
48:41
So he's a democrat on paper. He's a leftist obviously
48:43
but he's a democrat on paper. Cuomo was the establishment
48:46
hack and he's like, look, it was like Obama in 08.
48:48
Do you want to go with this old party hack
48:52
or this young guy who's got a different vision? And
48:54
he definitely does have a different vision. This isn't how
48:57
Hillary would govern New York City or even Eric Adams
49:00
or some of these others.
49:02
Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the big reasons he won
49:04
was that debate where he said that he wouldn't go
49:05
to Israel.
49:06
Speaker 1: You think that's a big one?
49:07
Speaker 2: A hundred percent. I think that was an enormous shift.
49:10
I would say that's a 10, 15% shift.
49:13
Speaker 1: 10, 15?
49:13
Speaker 2: Huge.
49:13
Speaker 1: We have the polling.
49:15
Speaker 2: Absolutely huge. I think the polling's horseshit because it's only
49:18
people so fucking stupid. they answer polls. Like, who are
49:21
those people? I think there's a- I think there was
49:23
a giant cultural shift where people like, right, shouldn't we
49:27
be paying attention to New York? Why are all these
49:28
people saying they want to go to Israel?
49:30
Speaker 3: Sure.
49:30
Speaker 2: Why are they saying that? Who's paying them? Why are
49:34
they saying that? That's an odd thing to say. Sure.
49:37
No one's saying, the first thing I'm going to do
49:38
is visit Belgium. They're not saying that. They're saying we're
49:42
going to go to Israel.
49:43
Speaker 1: Sure, but there's also a huge Jewish population in New
49:46
York City. Right. So when Cuomo tapped into that, I
49:49
don't know– I don't think Mamdani was somehow outed as
49:53
an anti-Zionist.
49:54
Speaker 2: Politicians– like the percentage of people that are Jewish in
49:58
New York City is– small in comparison to the people
50:02
that think that New York City should be the main
50:04
focus of attention and not Israel. Sure. And I think
50:07
when you have all these politicians that are doing things
50:09
that don't make sense to most people, like saying the
50:12
first thing I'm going to do is visit Israel. What
50:14
are you talking about? The city's a mess. And then
50:16
this guy comes along and says, I can serve the
50:18
Jewish people of New York City better in New York City.
50:21
Speaker 1: And he had a large Jewish percentage of Jewish vote.
50:25
My point is, I don't think that that number happened
50:27
because of debate. I think that was part of his
50:29
appeal from the beginning.
50:30
Speaker 2: Well, I think for fence sitters, though, that debate was
50:33
big because you got to see one guy who's like,
50:36
this is a solution to this system that we have
50:39
been just replacing the heads of the people that are
50:43
in charge. But it's the same exact mechanism.
50:44
Speaker 1: No, that's that's what I was saying earlier, that he's
50:46
not a member of the Democratic Party. Cuomo is this
50:49
old party hack. And he's like, look, let's throw all
50:51
that stuff in the garbage. This is something innovative and new.
50:54
This is the argument Obama made in 08. And he's
50:56
not wrong. Like when he had his inaugural speech and
51:00
he said we're going to get rid of the cold
51:02
whatever grasp of capitalism and be embraced by the warmth
51:06
of collectivism, no democrat is saying things like this. This
51:10
is something completely new and completely innovative. So how it's
51:14
going to look in practice– here's the other thing though.
51:17
The mayor in New York has a ceiling to what
51:19
he can do. So I would not– if I'm– he's
51:22
34 I think. He's young. I don't– if I'm sat
51:26
in that office– And I'm up against the New York
51:28
City real estate industry. It's not going to be an
51:33
easy fight for me.
51:35
Speaker 2: Right.
51:37
Speaker 1: Trump had to learn this the first term. It's like
51:38
just because you're president doesn't mean people are going to
51:40
bend the knee and play ball. So who knows what
51:43
this is going to look like?
51:46
Speaker 2: And it's not just New York City. Seattle is doing
51:48
the same thing. What are they doing? Seattle, they elected
51:50
a full-on communist. Oh, that's right.
51:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
51:52
Speaker 2: Who lived with her parents and hasn't had a job.
51:56
Lives off her fucking parents.
51:57
Speaker 1: Well, this is also a big concern with the Democrats
52:00
in general, both parties. When you have the base and
52:04
the establishment, we're basically just gangsters who are doing money laundering.
52:09
And you have the kids who are like, we've been
52:12
screwed over here in this shit for decades. Let's have
52:15
an alternative. What do you do when you're Nancy Pelosi
52:18
and you're Chuck Schumer and you're to a lesser extent
52:21
Hakeem Jeffries and these people are coming up, the kids,
52:24
wanting– democratic socialist. I don't mean kids. I mean young
52:27
people who are idealistic and are like, we tried your way.
52:29
It didn't give us shit. It gave us Trump. What
52:31
do you tell them?
52:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you tell them?
52:34
Speaker 1: There's no answer. You vote for Steny Hoyer for another
52:37
10 years? It's ridiculous. Amy Klobuchar is not going to
52:43
be your candidate if you have this democratic socialist vision.
52:48
She will not deliver that for you and she'll tell
52:49
you that's her fate. So I think that's the Dance
52:56
Newsome is trying to do. And I don't see who–
53:02
I think he'd be the perfect VP because he's a
53:05
great attack dog. He doesn't have to worry about defending
53:08
his record.
53:08
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to be the VP.
53:09
Speaker 1: I've heard that too. But he was Jerry Brown's number two.
53:13
He bided his time.
53:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he was Jerry Brown's number two when he
53:16
was young and he had never been the governor. Sure.
53:19
Speaker 1: I'm just saying like he would be the perfect VP
53:21
for the Democrats.
53:22
Speaker 2: I don't think he wants that. I think he wants
53:24
to be the king. I think he wants to ruin
53:26
San Francisco, ruin California, and then go on to become
53:30
the president.
53:30
Speaker 1: You don't think he'd have a good shot?
53:32
Speaker 2: At being the president? Yeah. I think he does. He does.
53:34
Speaker 1: He has a great shot.
53:35
Speaker 2: I think he does. Yeah. I think people are that dumb.
53:37
Speaker 1: I don't think it's that dumb.
53:39
Speaker 2: They're that dumb that they're willing to vote party line
53:42
no matter what. That's true. And the guy was just
53:43
a good speaker who's a good bullshit artist that he
53:47
could be able to sweet talk his way into that
53:49
position and just fudge data, lie about stuff. Nick Shirley
53:53
is in California right now doing the same thing that
53:55
he was doing in Minneapolis. Yeah. And they've already uncovered
53:58
fucking billions of dollars of fraud. Is that right? Yeah. Oh,
54:00
he's making videos about it.
54:03
Speaker 3: Oh.
54:03
Speaker 2: Same kind of fraud. Medicaid fraud through the roof. All
54:06
kinds of crazy shit. Yeah.
54:08
Speaker 1: But, I mean, I don't know how much that Minnesota
54:11
stuff permeated. I mean, it took down Tim Walz, which
54:14
is one of the biggest scalps. Like, no one saw
54:16
that coming. Right. But the same thing. You take out
54:19
Tim Walz. He's Klobuchar's governor. It's a hydra. You're not.
54:22
You're not– frankly, you'd rather have him. He's more defeatable
54:26
than her.
54:26
Speaker 2: Does it depend upon how much fraud gets exposed and
54:30
who gets connected to that fraud and what the investigation unveils?
54:34
Speaker 1: You're going to have people who listen to NPR tell
54:38
you with a straight face that this fraud happens under
54:41
any– they'll have a little list, a list of excuses.
54:45
It's been investigated and resolved. This happened– what? There's no
54:49
fraud in Florida and Texas?
54:50
Speaker 2: No.
54:51
Speaker 1: Or what are you saying? Or why are you targeting
54:53
the Somalis?
54:54
Speaker 2: Right.
54:55
Speaker 1: So you're not going to get– and at the end
54:57
of the day, I think people expect government to have fraud.
55:00
And if it's in Minnesota, you're not really going to–
55:02
if I'm a Democrat in Minnesota, I'm voting Democrat. And
55:05
if I'm a Republican, it's not– how many votes is
55:07
this going to sway?
55:08
Speaker 2: Well, they've done an amazing job in Minnesota of distracting
55:11
people from the Somali fraud by organizing protests against ICE. Right.
55:14
And that's– people need to understand. Like, yes, people are
55:17
upset about ICE. Fact. Unquestionably so. Just regular people at
55:21
home that aren't protesting. But that protest is not just organized.
55:26
It's funded. It's heavily funded, organized. They had signal chats
55:30
with Democratic congressmen or Democratic politicians rather that were involved
55:35
in this. There is– they knew what they were doing
55:37
and they did it because they wanted to distract from
55:40
the fact that this fraud was being exposed.
55:42
Speaker 1: Well, I think they would do it regardless. But yes,
55:43
it certainly serves that purpose.
55:44
Speaker 2: They totally shifted the narrative.
55:45
Speaker 1: Yes.
55:46
Speaker 2: Nobody is talking about the fraud anymore. Everybody is talking
55:49
about ICE being murderers. Right.
55:51
Speaker 3: Yeah.
55:51
Speaker 2: So it worked. It worked.
55:52
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. If there's more fraud exposed,
55:55
I don't know that it's going to work against Newsom.
55:56
Speaker 2: Well, it depends on how the trials lay out. So
55:59
if people wind up going to trial over this and
56:01
people wind up getting indicted over this, that could get
56:03
more interesting.
56:04
Speaker 1: Right.
56:04
Speaker 2: Because then you remove it from Minnesota and then it
56:07
becomes this federal court thing. And so then it becomes
56:09
mainstream public news if they do this correctly, if there
56:12
is something there.
56:13
Speaker 1: But the thing is you have to worry about if
56:15
the judge is going to be complicit and if the
56:17
prosecutor is going to be complicit and the.
56:19
Speaker 2: Media is also.
56:20
Speaker 1: You've got to kind of fly that arrow through three hoops.
56:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got to go through the bushes and make
56:25
a– you've got a small hole to shoot through.
56:27
Speaker 3: Yeah.
56:28
Speaker 1: And then to try to make it– and then it
56:30
would be very easy for Newsom to be like, I'm
56:32
so glad this got exposed.
56:33
Speaker 2: Right.
56:34
Speaker 1: I promise you as president this won't happen in America.
56:37
And if you want to talk corruption, look at Trump
56:40
and all his sweetheart deals, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
56:42
Hillary's already throwing him under the bus about Epstein. They
56:44
don't have shame.
56:45
Speaker 2: What is she saying?
56:46
Speaker 1: Hillary's like Trump's in the files thousands of times. Like
56:50
let's have this conversation. She started already.
56:52
Speaker 2: Right, right. What does that mean though when you're in
56:54
the file thousands of times? Because he is the guy
56:58
that was in contact with the FBI about Epstein. He
57:02
did contact the FBI after Epstein was arrested and thanked
57:06
them for arresting him and getting him because that guy
57:09
was a real problem.
57:10
Speaker 1: Right.
57:11
Speaker 2: And he did kick him out of Mar-a-Lago in 2005.
57:14
Speaker 1: But she's being factual but not truthful.
57:16
Speaker 2: So it is factual.
57:16
Speaker 3: Right.
57:17
Speaker 1: That his name is in the files.
57:19
Speaker 2: Yes.
57:20
Speaker 1: And then you leave it for the person listening to
57:21
make that conclusion.
57:22
Speaker 3: Right.
57:22
Speaker 2: That's all you have to say.
57:23
Speaker 1: That's all you have to say.
57:24
Speaker 2: We were talking to Dono Rawlings yesterday. He's in the files. OK.
57:28
Because Epstein went to visit his show, went to watch
57:30
his show at Improv in West Palm Beach.
57:33
Speaker 1: I did a search for the word retarded. And the
57:36
one email I found was someone like, can you mail
57:39
me that? photo where i look fat and retarded that's
57:42
it and it's not clear from who it's too f it's.
57:45
Speaker 2: Redacted yeah no one wants to know they were admitted
57:48
they look fat and retarded.
57:49
Speaker 1: Or the n words in there a fair amount also well.
57:52
Speaker 2: There's a lot of references to pizza you know there's
57:56
i think there's thousands of references to pizza and jerky
58:00
the jerky and grape soda and grape soda yeah Well,
58:04
grape– the thing about grape soda is grape is like
58:08
what people do to get around the algorithm when they're
58:10
discussing rape. When they– he graped them.
58:13
Speaker 1: But this was like 2011. I don't think people knew
58:15
about that stuff.
58:16
Speaker 2: Right.
58:16
Speaker 1: And I don't think Epstein as a boomer knows how
58:19
to get around algorithms.
58:20
Speaker 2: Right. This is not an algorithm thing. Right. It's just
58:22
a code thing.
58:23
Speaker 1: So I thought maybe it's a black thing. But then–
58:26
Grape soda?
58:27
Speaker 2: Oh, right.
58:27
Speaker 1: Yeah. But then he's racist. There's like things about don't
58:29
bring black people.
58:30
Speaker 2: Oh, really?
58:31
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
58:31
Speaker 2: He says don't bring black people to my parties?
58:33
Speaker 1: Something to that effect.
58:34
Speaker 3: Yeah.
58:34
Speaker 1: Something to that effect. Please double check me on this.
58:36
But it was something that he was not– no black girls.
58:40
Speaker 2: Oh, no black girls. Interesting. Huh. So, yeah.
58:46
Speaker 1: I don't think we're ever– the other thing that I'm
58:49
kind of stunned at is there's this belief online that
58:53
if there's enough agitation, like QAnon, we're all going to
58:58
have these mass arrests. And I don't see that happening.
59:02
And I don't think you can do anything to force
59:04
them to release the really bad stuff if they haven't.
59:08
Speaker 2: So what else is left? There's three million other files.
59:12
Speaker 4: Right.
59:13
Speaker 1: They said they released everything.
59:16
Speaker 2: Well, they also said there wasn't anything. Right. You know,
59:19
when Cash Patel was on here, it's like there's no videos.
59:22
There's no evidence. There's no nothing.
59:24
Speaker 1: The craziest for me was when Pam Bondi said, I've
59:27
got the list. And I said to myself– and I
59:30
talked to my friends. They all agreed with me. I'm like,
59:32
I really don't think he had like clientslist.doc on his desktop.
59:36
That's not a thing, right? So I would– I believe
59:38
he doesn't like have a literal list. And later she goes,
59:41
when I said list, I meant blah, blah, blah. And
59:44
I'm like, but you said list.
59:45
Speaker 3: Right.
59:45
Speaker 2: Well, they had those binders. They were all performatively holding
59:49
those binders. We have the files. We're going to go
59:51
through them. Heads are going to roll. Nothing happened.
59:53
Speaker 4: Right.
59:53
Speaker 3: Right.
59:54
Speaker 2: And then Les Wexner, what did he say today? Jamie,
59:57
you were saying that he said he got– He was
59:58
a con man. He was conned or something by a
1:00:00
con man. He was conned for so many years. I've
1:00:03
been seeing online.
1:00:03
Speaker 4: I don't know the accuracy that there's a bunch of
1:00:05
missing files from specifically 1999 through 2001.
1:00:09
Speaker 2: Right. And that people are connecting that to 9-11. Yeah. Oh.
1:00:14
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:00:15
Speaker 1: Wait.
1:00:16
Speaker 2: Pre and post 9-11 are all missing.
1:00:19
Speaker 3: Wait.
1:00:19
Speaker 1: So Epstein might be involved with 9-11? I don't know.
1:00:23
But I mean what's the thumbtacks and strings? I'm not
1:00:25
saying it's impossible. I'm just saying– Well, there's a.
1:00:26
Speaker 2: Lot of people that believe that Israel was involved in 9-11. Right.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: But I don't think Epstein was high up in the
1:00:31
Israeli decision-making process.
1:00:33
Speaker 4: But I think they're just looking for financial records of
1:00:37
things and those are all missing.
1:00:39
Speaker 3: People's names.
1:00:40
Speaker 1: You know, if I found out Muhammad Atta was a pedophile,
1:00:44
I might actually start to dislike that guy. That would
1:00:49
really change my opinion of him.
1:00:51
Speaker 2: FC files surrounding 9-11. Wow. Coincidence. Oh, this just came out. Yes.
1:00:56
Speaker 4: I mean, people are still digging in this stuff every day.
1:00:57
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
1:00:58
Speaker 3: That's why people keep finding new shit all the time.
1:01:00
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Scroll down.
1:01:01
Speaker 2: This is fascinating. That fucking cryptic George W.
1:01:05
Speaker 1: Bush photograph. No, the Clinton one's worse.
1:01:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, the dress. We have that outside.
1:01:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw.
1:01:10
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:01:10
Speaker 4: They stumbled across something where there was redacted photos. If
1:01:13
you looked through the files and typed in something like
1:01:15
no photos rendered.
1:01:17
Speaker 2: Yes. You could change the.
1:01:18
Speaker 3: Pdf to. mp4 or.
1:01:20
Speaker 2: Mov. There's thousands of videos.
1:01:22
Speaker 3: Tons of videos are popping up.
1:01:23
Speaker 2: Wow.
1:01:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:01:24
Speaker 2: People are starting to watch all those videos. Some of
1:01:25
them are from the prison. Some of them are from
1:01:26
the island.
1:01:27
Speaker 1: Flight logs starting.
1:01:29
Speaker 2: Okay. Have they found anything in those videos? That's weird.
1:01:32
You've got to go through them individually, right? Yeah, I know.
1:01:34
People are now– again, the accuracy, I don't know.
1:01:37
Speaker 4: I've seen a video where someone said this was from
1:01:39
the video, and there's like a girl crying in it,
1:01:40
but I don't know.
1:01:41
Speaker 2: Adderall and Autism, do your job. Find those videos.
1:01:46
Speaker 1: That should be the subtitle of this show. The Joe
1:01:48
Rogan Experience, Adderall and Autism, do your job. Holy crap.
1:01:52
That's hilarious.
1:01:54
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. What a world we're living in.
1:01:57
Speaker 1: You want to talk about– I want to talk about
1:01:58
Scott Adams.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: Sure.
1:01:59
Speaker 1: I was just at his memorial. Are you, was he
1:02:02
ever on your show?
1:02:02
Speaker 2: Yes.
1:02:03
Speaker 1: Um, I got invited to speak and it was really
1:02:06
a great, um, uh, experience. I got a, cause I'm
1:02:10
a mental patient. I got a Dilbert mask. And the
1:02:13
thing with the Dilbert mask is there's no mouth, right?
1:02:16
So Dr. Drew was supposed to speak and I was
1:02:18
going to go there and do my little terrorism where
1:02:21
I was going to have my little phone and say,
1:02:23
nice to meet you. I'm Dilbert and wave and then
1:02:25
swipe and be like, you know, can you take off
1:02:27
your glasses please? And he takes a glass and be like,
1:02:29
nice eyes, I'm going to take them and just fuck
1:02:32
with people at the funeral, like Scott would have wanted.
1:02:35
It was really great because it was very upbeat. And
1:02:41
I was kind of honored. Gutfeld texted me. He goes, hey,
1:02:45
do you want to speak? And I go, it would
1:02:46
be a huge honor. He just goes, great. And I'm like,
1:02:48
am I actually speaking or are you just quizzing me?
1:02:52
I got to see Cernovich was there, Posobiec, a few
1:02:54
other people, and then afterwards went to his house. And
1:02:57
there's something really kind of– eerie about walking into the
1:03:02
house of someone who had just passed his ex-wife Sherry
1:03:06
let me take two of his markers which I will
1:03:09
you know always treasure and kind of hang in my
1:03:11
house there were two lines I couldn't say at the
1:03:14
memorial because I knew the fans would get salty which
1:03:16
is Scott is in heaven right now doing what he
1:03:19
loved most avoiding black people and the reason Dilbert was
1:03:22
a black and white comic strip is because Scott didn't
1:03:24
really like the colors right because Scott was a humorist
1:03:29
just go for the joke Right. But I mean, it's
1:03:33
it's it's it's just it's it's weird how much he
1:03:39
still resonates, I think, with people. And I don't really
1:03:44
have anything else particularly to say, but I just felt
1:03:46
it was important to kind of commemorate his passing because
1:03:49
he's really helped me out a lot in my thinking.
1:03:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a real bummer, man, because it happened so quickly.
1:03:56
His cancer, he got turbo cancer.
1:03:58
Speaker 1: Well, he had it in January 2025 and he said,
1:04:03
I'm going to wait for my stepdaughter to get married.
1:04:05
And she was there and I got to meet her.
1:04:06
She was a lovely kid to get married. And then
1:04:09
I'm going to do it. And then he tweeted something out.
1:04:13
RFK jumped in. Trump jumped in. They got him this
1:04:16
medicine and they got him a few more months. And,
1:04:19
you know, so he got six more months. Point being
1:04:21
with the maid stuff, just because someone's terminal doesn't mean
1:04:23
they don't have months left. You can do a lot
1:04:26
in those months. It was funny. There's another cartoonist– I apologize.
1:04:29
I'm blanking on his name. And he was friends with
1:04:32
Scott for a long time. Scott had promoted his work
1:04:35
once and he went from like obscurity to like a
1:04:36
big name. And Scott asked him, hey, can you write
1:04:39
the foreword to my forthcoming biography? And the guy is like,
1:04:42
I'm not really going to have time. So like Scott
1:04:45
was that kind of person where he's just like, just
1:04:47
because I'm about to meet my maker, I don't want
1:04:51
you to be morose. His book, Reframe Your Brain, is
1:04:55
a complete– Because what he does is he goes through
1:05:00
mindsets and instantly recalibrates them. One of them is the
1:05:04
regular framework is I should do great at my job.
1:05:07
And his reframe is my job is to prepare for
1:05:11
a better job. And when you think about it that way,
1:05:13
having that shitty job isn't that rough because you're just
1:05:16
laying the groundwork for something better. So when I spoke,
1:05:18
I said the framework is we're having a memorial for Scott.
1:05:21
But the reframe is we're having a party and Scott's
1:05:24
really late.
1:05:25
Speaker 2: Right.
1:05:25
Speaker 1: So if you think about that terms, hey, we're having fun.
1:05:27
Where's this asshole? Because he didn't want us to be
1:05:30
there like moping. He won. He always was positive, always
1:05:33
was fun, even during that day. So I thought I
1:05:38
just saw him a lot.
1:05:39
Speaker 2: Did he blame his death on the COVID shots?
1:05:42
Speaker 1: So he got a lot. This really bothered me because
1:05:47
he'd be tweeting that stuff. People like shouldn't have got
1:05:48
the shot. It's like this guy's about to die. Like
1:05:51
this is your gotcha moment. This is your like I
1:05:53
told you so moment. It's just. So he did not
1:05:56
blame it. I would be surprised if that was the case.
1:05:58
You saw what just happened. I met James Van Der
1:06:00
Beek through you. I met him at the mothership in
1:06:03
the green room. 48. Six kids. The wife seemed very
1:06:07
sweet and charming too. He seemed like a really chill dude.
1:06:10
I haven't seen one person.
1:06:11
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seemed like a super nice guy.
1:06:12
Speaker 1: Not one person has anything bad to say about him,
1:06:14
which says a lot from that kind of area.
1:06:16
Speaker 2: No, he was a sweetheart.
1:06:17
Speaker 1: So 48, man. That's scary. I know.
1:06:21
Speaker 2: And there's an unprecedented number of young people that are
1:06:24
dying of cancer. In fact, was it Time Magazine that
1:06:26
had a cover of it? I saved it because it
1:06:28
was kind of– the cover is kind of crazy because
1:06:31
it's proposing like what is causing these things and why
1:06:34
is this all happening as if no one knows.
1:06:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, right. Like what could it be?
1:06:38
Speaker 2: What is the– some fucking mystery. It could be anything.
1:06:43
I know I saved it. There's something from a year ago.
1:06:46
Race to explain why more young adults are getting cancer.
1:06:49
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
1:06:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. What do you think it could be? Anything weird happened?
1:06:54
Do you guys know what SV40 is? You should probably
1:06:56
look it up.
1:06:58
Speaker 1: What's amazing about articles, like, does that article make it
1:07:01
a point to, do they ignore the vaccine, so-called vaccine,
1:07:04
or do they downplay it as the cause? Like, those
1:07:06
are the two options.
1:07:07
Speaker 2: Right. What do they say in that article? Do they
1:07:10
bring up, love to hear that.
1:07:14
Speaker 1: Couldn't possibly be. Do you know what really fucked me
1:07:18
up recently? And you're going to laugh in my face.
1:07:20
And every Maha person listening to this is going to
1:07:22
laugh in my face.
1:07:23
Speaker 2: Why?
1:07:23
Speaker 1: And you can feel free to laugh in my face
1:07:24
because it's covered in polka dots. Aspartame. I would drink–
1:07:31
my main method of hydration was Dr. Pepper Zero. It's warranted.
1:07:37
I know. This is why I have the polka dots.
1:07:39
And I go to New York and I'm low on
1:07:41
calories for my macros. And I switch to full sugar, Dr. Pepper.
1:07:45
So it wasn't the caffeine. And my thinking changed. And
1:07:49
I'm like this is– and I go online. This has
1:07:52
been known.
1:07:53
Speaker 2: For– Think you changed household.
1:07:55
Speaker 1: I was quicker on my feet. I was having trouble
1:07:58
remembering words, remembering names, remembering just being– my verbal speed
1:08:05
of how I speak is something that is part of
1:08:07
my job. And I was having issues with that. I
1:08:09
have to work around when I couldn't think of someone's
1:08:10
name or someone's word. I was having this– there you go.
1:08:14
Speaker 2: Research has linked high consumption of aspartame to impaired memory,
1:08:17
spatial learning deficits, and faster cognitive decline in adults under 60. Yep. Neuroinflammation,
1:08:25
oxidative stress, aspartame metabolites can trigger chronic microglial activation and
1:08:33
increased oxidative stress in the brain leading to neuronal damage
1:08:38
and potential neurodegeneration. You know who pushed that through, right?
1:08:42
Speaker 1: Who?
1:08:42
Speaker 2: Aspartame. Rumsfeld. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Search that.
1:08:48
Speaker 1: So here's the thing.
1:08:48
Speaker 2: Throw that into perplexity.
1:08:50
Speaker 1: If you're listening to this and you're someone like me
1:08:53
who was living on it, just try for two days, right?
1:08:56
Speaker 2: Really?
1:08:56
Speaker 1: And you'll know right away. Because I also had this
1:08:59
low-key anxiety. all the time. Like it was like a
1:09:01
one out of ten, but it was there. I thought, okay,
1:09:03
it's just whatever. I thought it was just life. Nope,
1:09:06
it's gone.
1:09:07
Speaker 2: Donald Rumsfeld, CEO of GD Cereal in the late 1970s,
1:09:10
early 80s, played a pivotal role in the FDA approval
1:09:13
of aspartame, the artificial sweetener in products like NutraSweet.
1:09:17
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
1:09:18
Speaker 2: Yeah. So there was studies back then showing approval due
1:09:25
to potential carcinogenicity risks. Hayes approved aspartame for dry food
1:09:33
shortly after expanding it to beverages by 1983. There was
1:09:39
studies on– I think there was rat studies or something.
1:09:41
Speaker 1: They gave them like Alzheimer's. Well– So– I'm just warning
1:09:47
people as much as I can. Pretend I'm a quack.
1:09:50
That's fine. Just give it two days.
1:09:52
Speaker 2: Lay off aspartame.
1:09:53
Speaker 1: I'd see what happens to you.
1:09:55
Speaker 2: Okay. Well, it makes sense. I mean, there's no biological
1:10:00
free lunch. If you get something and it does something positive,
1:10:04
it's probably doing something negative. If it's some novel potion
1:10:08
that you're pouring into your body, there's probably some negative aspect.
1:10:13
Speaker 1: I was talking to Dr.
1:10:14
Speaker 2: Mike about this, about, um, Brain tumors in rats. Yeah.
1:10:19
Led the FDA to stay aspartame 74 approval. Brain tumor
1:10:24
and fucking rats, man. Highlighted high brain tumor incidents in
1:10:28
rat feeding studies and risks from phenylalanine causing convulsions or
1:10:33
mental retardation. Isn't that what they think killed Tammy Faye Baker?
1:10:36
Didn't she drink like a fucking gallon of Diet Coke
1:10:39
a day? Really? Yeah. Find that. I think that's what
1:10:44
a lot of people– because Tammy Faye Baker I think
1:10:46
died of brain cancer. Colon cancer. Colon cancer? Okay. What's that?
1:10:51
Speaker 3: That spread to her lungs.
1:10:52
Speaker 1: Oh, that's awful.
1:10:52
Speaker 2: Went from her colon to her lungs.
1:10:54
Speaker 1: What is she doing? Ass-to-mouth stuff? She should call Kristen Sinema.
1:10:59
I don't think it's contagious. She should call Kristen Sinema.
1:11:02
There's some weird orgies down there.
1:11:05
Speaker 2: Fuck. But wasn't she like a prolific Diet Coke drinker?
1:11:11
I think she was. I think people were trying to
1:11:14
link it. Look, it can't be good for you. It
1:11:18
tastes like sugar. It's not sugar. It can't be good
1:11:20
for you.
1:11:20
Speaker 1: It did a number on me, and I'm happy to
1:11:22
be able to warn people. It scared the fuck.
1:11:25
Speaker 4: Out of me.
1:11:25
Speaker 2: I like Stevia.
1:11:26
Speaker 1: Stevia.
1:11:27
Speaker 2: Like I like these drinks called Zevias. They're Stevia drinks
1:11:31
and zero calories. Tastes good. Right. It doesn't quite taste
1:11:36
like sugar, but it tastes good enough.
1:11:37
Speaker 1: I'm just sticking to my water and my full sugar.
1:11:40
So it is.
1:11:40
Speaker 2: But my daughter is like really good at reading labels
1:11:42
and finding. You're only supposed to drink one of those
1:11:45
a day. I was like, are you sure?
1:11:46
Speaker 1: I was eating a protein bar this morning while getting
1:11:48
my face did. And I just look at the label
1:11:51
and one of the ingredients I see is titanium dioxide.
1:11:53
I'm like, do I really? Titanium.
1:11:56
Speaker 2: Interesting. Like what? Yeah.
1:11:59
Speaker 1: So that's in me now.
1:12:00
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's other protein bars. You don't have to eat
1:12:03
that shit.
1:12:03
Speaker 1: I think they all have that.
1:12:04
Speaker 2: No. I eat carnivore bars. You ever heard of carnivore bars? No.
1:12:07
It's just like fat and meat.
1:12:09
Speaker 1: I use– MRE Light is the brand I use.
1:12:11
Speaker 2: Carnivore bars are great. They just taste like you're eating fat,
1:12:16
fat and meat.
1:12:18
Speaker 1: Like– OK. But is that all the ingredients are?
1:12:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think there's anything bad in them at all.
1:12:22
Speaker 3: OK.
1:12:22
Speaker 2: I think it's like– pull that company up, carnivore bars.
1:12:30
Speaker 1: I'm happy to switch.
1:12:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty natural. I don't think there's
1:12:34
anything in there.
1:12:34
Speaker 1: This has got to have a lot of salt or sodium.
1:12:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some salt in there, but salt's not bad
1:12:38
for you. That's all horseshit.
1:12:41
Speaker 1: Like when you're eating TV dinners and those numbers, that's
1:12:42
not bad.
1:12:43
Speaker 2: That's different. TV dinners are filled with preservatives. Carnivore snacks
1:12:46
is great. Is that what you're talking about?
1:12:49
Speaker 1: No.
1:12:49
Speaker 2: Well, this is something that I eat all the time.
1:12:51
This is my go-to snack. When I go to the UFC,
1:12:54
that's the stuff I bring. Okay. I bring that.
1:12:57
Speaker 1: You bring it. They don't have it for you?
1:12:58
Speaker 2: No, I bring it. I bring it because I work
1:13:00
with this company, so they send me a bunch of it.
1:13:04
It's fucking great. But the carnivore bar, so this stuff. Okay.
1:13:07
Purest meal on earth, two ingredients. Okay. 20 grams of protein,
1:13:12
35 gram animal-based fat, 400 to 420 calories from grass-finished beef, shelf-stable,
1:13:18
no refrigeration. That's what I eat.
1:13:21
Speaker 1: Okay, send me some, guys.
1:13:22
Speaker 2: I have some. They'll send you some. If I had
1:13:25
some here, I eat those all the time. I take
1:13:27
them with me. I throw them in my car. It's
1:13:29
fucking great if you want to eat something.
1:13:31
Speaker 1: That is what I need.
1:13:31
Speaker 2: It's protein. It's got grass-finished beef tallow, so you get
1:13:35
the fat from grief. Some people don't like the taste
1:13:37
of it. I like it. Why don't they– I'd like
1:13:39
to– It's kind of mild or bland.
1:13:41
Speaker 1: That's fine though.
1:13:42
Speaker 2: You're eating it for macros. I'm just trying to get food. Right.
1:13:44
Speaker 1: Yeah. Nutrition.
1:13:45
Speaker 2: Yeah. But it doesn't make me feel bad at all.
1:13:48
It feels like food. Like I've tried some other stuff.
1:13:51
Like I tried those David bars. Oh my god.
1:13:53
Speaker 1: I never heard of that.
1:13:54
Speaker 2: The farts I was having. So David bars, they have
1:13:58
some weird fat in it that your body doesn't digest.
1:14:02
Speaker 1: Like those Olean chips?
1:14:04
Speaker 2: Something like that. But a new version of it. And
1:14:07
so when this company, when they were purchased, they got
1:14:12
a monopoly on that kind of this, whatever this ingredient is.
1:14:16
And all these other companies, they blocked it. These companies
1:14:19
that were using it, they couldn't use it anymore. So
1:14:21
a lot of people were like boycotting David bars. They
1:14:24
taste good. And they have like a lot of protein.
1:14:26
I think it's like 30 protein for like 150 calories.
1:14:28
But Good Lord, the farts I was having. Because your
1:14:33
body is like, what is this?
1:14:35
Speaker 1: I had that same thing with protein Cheerios.
1:14:38
Speaker 2: Protein Cheerios?
1:14:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't farts. I was having the trots.
1:14:41
Speaker 2: Oh, really? Yeah. It tastes good. Hey, what the fuck
1:14:46
are you doing?
1:14:47
Speaker 1: Just eat some meat.
1:14:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, but eat something like carnivore bars or those carnivore
1:14:52
snacks are delicious. It's just beef and salt. That's all
1:14:55
those carnivore snacks are. It's like a beef pastry.
1:14:59
Speaker 1: Good.
1:15:00
Speaker 2: It's not even like jerky. It's chewy. It's delicious. So
1:15:03
this is a lab-engineered fat substitute called EPG, manufactured by
1:15:09
a little-known Indianapolis-based company called Epigy. After tinkering with the
1:15:13
product formulation, the Fugles set up a website in 2024
1:15:16
and began promoting the bars at local bodybuilding shows and
1:15:19
farmer's markets. It's just an article about the— Right. So
1:15:22
what does it say that stuff does? Well, I'm— So
1:15:26
find out what that stuff does. It's a fat substitute, yeah.
1:15:29
But it does something where your body doesn't digest the fat.
1:15:34
Like it doesn't turn into calories or something.
1:15:36
Speaker 1: Well, this is promoting them. This is making it sound great.
1:15:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's 58 other mentions of EPG in here.
1:15:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is making it sound like, oh, it's the
1:15:41
best thing ever. They're not mentioning the farts.
1:15:43
Speaker 2: Well, this is probably promoting it. Yeah, it is. Yeah.
1:15:46
Speaker 3: Oh, no, this is about the lawsuit.
1:15:47
Speaker 1: Oh. Oh.
1:15:48
Speaker 2: Oh, it is Olestra, like we said. It's essentially a
1:15:50
better Olestra. At the time, fat was the big culprit
1:15:53
for heart disease, which it's not. Oh, Lester was undigestible.
1:15:58
That was its key attribute. It passed right through the
1:16:01
digestive tract, therefore wouldn't result in body fat. The problem
1:16:05
was its low melting point in the body, which led
1:16:08
to an infamously polite phrase printed on the wow labels
1:16:12
may cause abdominal cramping and loose stools.
1:16:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, people are shitting themselves.
1:16:17
Speaker 2: Using those Pringles or something.
1:16:18
Speaker 1: I think.
1:16:19
Speaker 2: Well, this stuff didn't give me loose stools, but it
1:16:22
did give me like the devil was farting out of
1:16:24
my asshole.
1:16:25
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, isn't that sometimes fun?
1:16:27
Speaker 2: Farts? Yeah.
1:16:29
Speaker 1: Like when you have a fart that sounds like a symphony.
1:16:32
Like when you're old and you start having new farts,
1:16:33
I kind of like it. I'm just like, I still
1:16:35
got it.
1:16:36
Speaker 2: Well, this was just like, for me, it was a
1:16:38
warning sign. My body was like, hey, this ain't good.
1:16:40
I think it's a warning sign for other people too, Joe. Yeah, right.
1:16:44
Anybody else? So what is the problem with that stuff?
1:16:48
Demo look. Okay. And problems. So that was the thing.
1:17:00
They were trying to block other people from using it.
1:17:03
Speaker 1: Bloating, gas, and diarrhea. Yeah.
1:17:05
Speaker 2: Bloating, gas, and diarrhea due to sugar, alcohol.
1:17:08
Speaker 1: Laxative effect. Wow.
1:17:09
Speaker 2: And the non-digestible fat substitute. That's it. Which are poorly
1:17:13
absorbed and can have a laxative effect, especially in larger amounts.
1:17:17
The company recommending limiting intake to two bars daily. To
1:17:20
minimize discomfort.
1:17:22
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait. Can we stop talking about this? I
1:17:24
love that they say minimize, not eliminate. There's no food
1:17:27
where you're like, you know, if you eat too much
1:17:29
of this, you're going to definitely have discomfort.
1:17:31
Speaker 2: Who's eating two of these fucking things a day?
1:17:34
Speaker 1: I'm sure people.
1:17:35
Speaker 2: I know, but I mean, like after the farts, wouldn't
1:17:37
you be like, hey.
1:17:38
Speaker 1: But it's not only the farts, it's the distensions.
1:17:41
Speaker 2: The inflammation. Yeah.
1:17:43
Speaker 1: You have that bloated feeling.
1:17:44
Speaker 2: For some people, but why they would choose something like
1:17:47
this is they want all that protein with 150 calories
1:17:50
and they'll just take the farts.
1:17:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, look at whey. Whey is not digestible.
1:17:54
That's the standard protein for bodybuilders.
1:17:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it doesn't bother me.
1:17:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people, whey is not easy
1:18:00
to break down.
1:18:00
Speaker 2: For a lot of people, yeah. I have zero problem
1:18:02
with whey.
1:18:03
Speaker 1: I can't do whey. Really? I was getting brain fog.
1:18:05
Speaker 2: From whey?
1:18:06
Speaker 1: A little bit, yeah. Interesting.
1:18:08
Speaker 2: Huh.
1:18:08
Speaker 1: Maybe something's wrong with my brain. I don't know.
1:18:10
Speaker 2: Well, you might have like some sort of a milk
1:18:14
allergy or something. That's possible.
1:18:17
Speaker 1: Who the hell knows? But the point is I switched
1:18:18
to the whole meat protein. And that's much easier for me.
1:18:21
Speaker 2: Something like carnivore snacks or those carnivore bars. That's the solution.
1:18:25
Get those. And that way you don't have to even think.
1:18:28
It's just food. And your body treats it like food.
1:18:31
It feels like food when you eat it. It doesn't
1:18:33
feel like.
1:18:33
Speaker 1: It's just hard for me to get enough calories in
1:18:35
a day for what I need.
1:18:36
Speaker 2: What are you trying to do?
1:18:37
Speaker 1: I'm doing lean gains.
1:18:39
Speaker 2: Lean gains?
1:18:40
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:18:40
Speaker 2: What does that mean?
1:18:41
Speaker 1: So you're keeping the same body fat, but you're slowly
1:18:43
putting in weight.
1:18:44
Speaker 2: So it's really a tightrope. Oh, okay. So you're involved
1:18:47
in that again. I know you bailed on bodybuilding training. activities. Well, no.
1:18:51
Speaker 1: I still go to the gym.
1:18:52
Speaker 2: But you're trying to get jacked.
1:18:54
Speaker 1: I think I'm in good shape.
1:18:55
Speaker 2: But you're trying to get jacked?
1:18:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay.
1:18:58
Speaker 2: I don't know why you're doing that. I didn't do that.
1:19:00
Speaker 1: What do you mean?
1:19:01
Speaker 2: I'm just asking. Are you trying to get jacked?
1:19:03
Speaker 1: Okay. That seems like a kind of question that you
1:19:05
corner me in the gym. No. What do you mean
1:19:08
by trying.
1:19:08
Speaker 2: To get jacked? No, no, no, no. It's a normal
1:19:09
thing for people that are trying to get swole. You're
1:19:12
trying to get like big muscles.
1:19:14
Speaker 1: I am trying to put on as much mass as
1:19:18
I can while maintaining a somewhat lean build.
1:19:21
Speaker 2: What are you doing like as far as your workouts?
1:19:23
Speaker 1: I go to gym four days a week.
1:19:25
Speaker 2: What are you doing with your workout? What kind of workouts?
1:19:27
Speaker 1: I do a bro split. Don't make fun of me.
1:19:29
Speaker 2: No, there's nothing wrong with a bro split.
1:19:31
Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong.
1:19:32
Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with it. Works.
1:19:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not doing legs because my legs are
1:19:35
already too big for my jeans.
1:19:37
Speaker 2: What? Yeah. Get stretchy jeans.
1:19:40
Speaker 1: I have 30 pairs of jeans. I don't need to
1:19:42
get more jeans. Point being, my legs.
1:19:44
Speaker 2: But do you have regular jeans that are made out
1:19:46
of cotton or do you get jeans that have flex
1:19:48
in them?
1:19:48
Speaker 1: I have 30 pairs, so there's a mix. But point being...
1:19:51
My legs are great. I'm Russian. Russians have great leg DNA.
1:19:54
Speaker 2: So you don't work out your legs at all? You're
1:19:56
going to get an imbalance.
1:19:57
Speaker 4: How?
1:19:58
Speaker 2: Also, if you work out your legs, your whole body
1:20:00
will grow.
1:20:01
Speaker 1: That's true. And you'll put up more pounds on the scale.
1:20:04
But point being, I'm already at the point marginal with
1:20:07
most of my jeans. And they're not skinny jeans.
1:20:11
Speaker 2: Let me see your legs.
1:20:13
Speaker 1: How am I going to show you my legs?
1:20:14
Speaker 2: Just stand up. Let me see your legs and your jeans.
1:20:18
Those are not too big. That is ridiculous.
1:20:20
Speaker 1: No, no, no. I don't need to be.
1:20:21
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.
1:20:23
Speaker 1: Hold on. I will send you a photo of my
1:20:26
legs and you're going to apologize. My legs are great.
1:20:28
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:20:29
Speaker 1: They're not chicken legs.
1:20:30
Speaker 2: I believe you. They don't look like chicken legs. They're
1:20:32
not chicken legs. They're fine. But I don't think you
1:20:33
should be concerned about them getting bigger. First of all,
1:20:35
it takes a lot to get your legs much larger.
1:20:37
It takes a lot. You're going to have to really
1:20:40
push past some severe discomfort.
1:20:43
Speaker 1: I'm not. Disputing that but point is they're already marginal
1:20:46
with my clothes and I think that.
1:20:48
Speaker 2: New clothes you've got money listen You gotta keep your
1:20:52
body balanced like that's why you should do legs You
1:20:55
should never just do upper body Joe.
1:20:57
Speaker 1: I am nowhere at the point where my upper body
1:21:00
is too big for my legs.
1:21:01
Speaker 2: Well, it's not that you should condition both of them together. Okay,
1:21:04
it's like you want to have a body that works
1:21:06
together and.
1:21:08
Speaker 1: My body is fine. I'm not going to be body
1:21:10
shamed on this show.
1:21:11
Speaker 2: I'm not body shaming you. I'm talking about functional.
1:21:13
Speaker 1: What function? Going up the stairs?
1:21:15
Speaker 2: Anything you have to do. If you have to pick
1:21:17
something up and move it. If you're not working your legs,
1:21:20
then all that stuff in your hips, all that stuff,
1:21:23
all the surrounding tissue, all that stuff is not getting
1:21:26
the exercise it deserves while you're working out your upper body. Fine.
1:21:29
Speaker 1: The point being my legs are perfectly fine and strong.
1:21:34
And it was hard for me to get the calories
1:21:36
I need. That's all I'm saying here.
1:21:38
Speaker 2: So how many calories? What are you trying to do
1:21:40
a day?
1:21:40
Speaker 1: I think it's like 3,200.
1:21:42
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:21:42
Speaker 1: Which is not nothing.
1:21:44
Speaker 2: That's a good meal for me.
1:21:46
Speaker 1: That's a lot of calories.
1:21:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess.
1:21:49
Speaker 1: What do you mean? You don't think that's a lot?
1:21:51
Speaker 2: I eat a lot.
1:21:51
Speaker 1: If you're eating clean, 3,200 is a lot.
1:21:52
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:21:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
1:21:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. So 3,200 calories. But you're trying to stay lean.
1:22:01
And are you on testosterone replacement or anything like that?
1:22:04
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.
1:22:06
Speaker 2: Okay, you are.
1:22:07
Speaker 3: Good.
1:22:08
Speaker 2: That's good. Peptides? Any peptides?
1:22:12
Speaker 1: You know what I tried?
1:22:12
Speaker 2: Yes. Okay, good.
1:22:14
Speaker 1: I tried Glow.
1:22:15
Speaker 2: What's Glow?
1:22:18
Speaker 1: Oh, well, well, well, Mr. Doesn't Skip Leg Day. He
1:22:22
doesn't have polka dots on his face.
1:22:24
Speaker 2: Someone does.
1:22:25
Speaker 1: You call yourself a bro, and you don't have polka
1:22:28
dots on your face. Glow is this new peptide. It's
1:22:32
a combination of three things, and it's called glow because
1:22:35
it has heavy copper, so it's blue. Glow.
1:22:39
Speaker 4: Huh.
1:22:40
Speaker 1: You are welcome.
1:22:42
Speaker 2: Hmm, interesting. Most people combine PBC-157, TB-500, and GHK-CU without
1:22:49
addressing sequencing or inflammation first. Here's what determines whether GLOW
1:22:54
truly works. Interesting. Oh, okay. So it's a combination of
1:23:00
all those things together. Interesting.
1:23:02
Speaker 1: Because I pulled my shoulder pretty bad.
1:23:05
Speaker 2: With your heavy lifting?
1:23:06
Speaker 3: It wasn't.
1:23:07
Speaker 1: I don't think it was heavy. It's just probably, I
1:23:08
don't know what happened.
1:23:09
Speaker 2: You don't lift heavy?
1:23:10
Speaker 1: I lift somewhat heavy, but I'm not going to lift
1:23:13
heavy enough to provoke injury.
1:23:15
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:23:15
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of foolish, especially at my age.
1:23:17
Speaker 2: It is, but if you want to gain weight.
1:23:19
Speaker 1: But I'm gaining weight.
1:23:21
Speaker 2: You're not doing bench or anything, are you? You do
1:23:23
bench press?
1:23:24
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't I do bench press?
1:23:25
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you? Yeah. Because it's terrible for your shoulders.
1:23:27
Speaker 1: Well, I do dumbbell bench.
1:23:30
Speaker 2: That's slightly better for your shoulders.
1:23:32
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:23:32
Speaker 2: But that activity of having a lot of weight down here.
1:23:35
Speaker 1: I'm only putting up 70s. That's not that much.
1:23:37
Speaker 2: It's a lot for you. Okay. All that weight back here,
1:23:41
when you're right here, it puts tremendous.
1:23:43
Speaker 1: Strain on your body. So what should I do for pecs?
1:23:45
Speaker 2: You could do dips. Dips are fantastic for it. Don't
1:23:50
go past 90 degrees. You can once you condition your
1:23:53
shoulders to be able to do it. But dips are good.
1:23:56
Weighted dips are really good. There's stuff that you could do.
1:23:59
Like just kettlebells. Well, I don't do any chest exercises
1:24:03
other than dips.
1:24:04
Speaker 1: Really?
1:24:04
Speaker 2: Yeah. I do a lot of kettlebells. Most of my
1:24:07
exercises are full body motion stuff. Almost everything. I do
1:24:11
a lot of snatches, a lot of cleans, a lot
1:24:15
of like alternating cleans, a lot of renegade rows. Everything
1:24:20
I do is kettlebells.
1:24:21
Speaker 1: All I do is– I know someone who really knows
1:24:25
this stuff and I follow orders.
1:24:26
Speaker 2: That's good too. That's good too. My concern is always
1:24:30
functional movement. My concern is always I want my body
1:24:32
to work as one unit. I don't like isolating things.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: I think I do a lot of compounds like inclined
1:24:39
dumbbell– inclined bench is one example or– I don't even
1:24:42
remember what the other kind of stuff is.
1:24:43
Speaker 2: But if you have shoulder problems and you're benching– there's
1:24:46
a lot of people I know that just have a
1:24:48
completely eliminated benching.
1:24:49
Speaker 1: Is that right?
1:24:50
Speaker 2: Okay. Huh? Especially heavy benching.
1:24:52
Speaker 1: It only resolved this week. Thank God.
1:24:54
Speaker 2: But you know what? It won't like, if you're doing kettlebells,
1:24:58
that's the weird thing about kettlebells. It increases the strength
1:25:01
of all your activities. They found that people that do snatches, uh,
1:25:05
and increase their VO two max and increase their ability
1:25:08
to do chin ups.
1:25:09
Speaker 1: I did used to do kettlebells. Some, I had it,
1:25:12
one of the lifts in my workout and I, pulled
1:25:14
out my back on something so fierce. It was a temporary,
1:25:18
like almost like a cramp, but it was very, very scary.
1:25:20
Speaker 2: Do you remember what the exercise was?
1:25:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was doing the, when you're bending over and
1:25:23
you swing it over your head.
1:25:24
Speaker 2: Snatch.
1:25:25
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:25:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Well, the key to that is warmups. Do
1:25:28
you warm up a lot?
1:25:29
Speaker 1: No. No, I do warmups with the weights. Like I'll do,
1:25:32
my first set will be 40% of my working set.
1:25:35
Speaker 2: What I would recommend is you got to, especially as
1:25:38
you get older, you really have to warm your body up.
1:25:40
And one of the things that I do is I
1:25:41
always do 10 minutes on the Airdyne bike I get
1:25:44
everything like slightly sweaty. Then I do a lot of
1:25:47
jump rope. I get everything fired up and then I
1:25:50
do a lot of mobility exercises. I do like body twists.
1:25:54
I do these things like you wave. I get down
1:25:57
to the bottom and I wave all the way up
1:25:58
and I bend backwards and I go forward. I do
1:26:01
a lot of twists. I get everything loose and then
1:26:04
I start with push-ups and bodyweight squats. I do 100 push-ups,
1:26:08
100 bodyweight squats and that's my warm-up. So all that stuff,
1:26:12
by the time I'm done with all that stuff, now
1:26:14
everything is warm and now I can start working out.
1:26:16
Speaker 1: How many days a week do you lift or work out?
1:26:18
Speaker 2: Well, I work out almost every day.
1:26:19
Speaker 1: Oh, OK.
1:26:20
Speaker 2: Occasionally I'll take a day off, but I work out
1:26:22
almost every day. And then with lifting, it's almost every day.
1:26:26
It depends on what I'm doing. If I'm hitting the bag,
1:26:28
generally I don't lift weights the days I hit the bag.
1:26:32
So that's like maybe two or three days a week.
1:26:35
So the other two days a week, I alternate between–
1:26:39
Stuff like body weight stuff, like pull-ups, chin-ups, dips. I
1:26:45
do L pull-ups where you stick your legs out straight
1:26:50
so you're working your abs at the same time you're
1:26:52
doing that. I do a bunch of different things, lower
1:26:57
back stuff, a lot of back extensions, reverse hyper stuff,
1:27:02
sit-ups on that GHB machine where you're going all the
1:27:04
way down.
1:27:06
Speaker 1: I'm just happy with the results. And I'm of the
1:27:09
if it ain't broke, don't fix it mindset.
1:27:12
Speaker 2: That's good.
1:27:13
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:27:14
Speaker 2: As long as you're happy with the results. I would
1:27:15
just avoid a lot of heavy lifting with bench press.
1:27:19
I think bench press is so many people I know
1:27:22
that have fucked their shoulders up, fucked their shoulders up
1:27:24
through bench press. I know a lot of bros are
1:27:26
going to get angry.
1:27:27
Speaker 1: I know. That's what I'm waiting for.
1:27:28
Speaker 2: How much do you bench, bro?
1:27:30
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:27:31
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. Like we did this Sober October
1:27:33
thing where we had these stupid fitness challenges and then
1:27:38
After Sober October is over, we all got drunk. And
1:27:41
so then we went out to my gym, and Ari, Tom,
1:27:47
and Bert were all trying to bench 225. And I
1:27:50
don't bench at all, and I did it 13 times.
1:27:53
Like I don't bench, and I just.
1:27:55
Speaker 1: Ari could pull up two plates?
1:27:56
Speaker 2: No, he couldn't do it.
1:27:57
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:27:57
Speaker 2: No, they all got pinned.
1:27:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, 225 is no joke.
1:28:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, Bert can do it now, but back then he
1:28:03
wasn't lifting.
1:28:04
Speaker 1: You can't casually do two plates.
1:28:06
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:28:06
Speaker 1: No one can.
1:28:07
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I did without ever benching.
1:28:09
Speaker 1: No, but I mean like you're someone who works Saturday.
1:28:11
Speaker 2: Right. No, no, no.
1:28:12
Speaker 1: They all got crushed. Yeah, of course. Wait, they thought
1:28:15
they could do it? Burt did.
1:28:17
Speaker 2: Burt definitely did.
1:28:18
Speaker 1: But Burt's heavy, right?
1:28:18
Speaker 2: How much does Burt weigh? He's like 250 probably.
1:28:21
Speaker 1: Oh, Burt's like 250. Yeah, for sure.
1:28:22
Speaker 2: Tom was bigger at the time too.
1:28:25
Speaker 1: OK. I mean it must have just collapsed.
1:28:26
Speaker 2: Yeah. They got crushed. But the point is it's like–
1:28:30
Doing kettlebells will help all those other things. Of course.
1:28:34
Because it just– your whole body gets strong and it's
1:28:37
not an unusual motion to do that. you know you
1:28:40
could do.
1:28:41
Speaker 1: It yeah I just I like the weights.
1:28:45
Speaker 2: Dumbbell weights are great there's nothing wrong with weights I
1:28:48
just would be careful about benching even dumbbell I think
1:28:51
dumbbell benching is probably better than barbell benching and I
1:28:55
just think there's other ways to work your chest.
1:28:57
Speaker 1: Okay I'll talk to Monster Russ. That's my guy.
1:29:01
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of people that don't even agree
1:29:02
with dips. Like my orthopedic surgeon that told me that
1:29:05
I need to get my shoulder operated on 15 years
1:29:09
ago and I never did. He was like, got to
1:29:12
stop doing dips. I go, why? He goes, everybody I
1:29:14
know that have fucked their shoulder up did it through dips.
1:29:16
I go, well, that doesn't mean anything. Right. I'm looking
1:29:19
at him. I'm looking at him and his body. I'm like,
1:29:21
look at your Shut the fuck up.
1:29:23
Speaker 1: And look at all these gymnasts.
1:29:24
Speaker 2: They do dips 24-7.
1:29:25
Speaker 1: Exactly.
1:29:27
Speaker 2: Just build up to it. Don't do too much. All
1:29:30
of it is like overworking your body. You have to
1:29:32
like slow progression is the key.
1:29:35
Speaker 1: There is something fun about– I do love doing dips
1:29:37
because you feel like you're flying. There's something about it
1:29:40
when you're just kind of– What can I say?
1:29:43
Speaker 2: But that's a great chest exercise. Dips are.
1:29:46
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:29:47
Speaker 2: Along with the push-ups. You do 100 push-ups a day
1:29:49
and then do dips.
1:29:51
Speaker 1: But you're the– OK. We could talk about this also.
1:29:53
You're the one– can I tell you what you said
1:29:55
to me at the mothership about this?
1:29:57
Speaker 2: What did I say?
1:29:58
Speaker 1: You said you can't be jacked and be funny.
1:30:01
Speaker 2: Well, you can. But you can't show it.
1:30:03
Speaker 1: I meant like you– like at a certain.
1:30:06
Speaker 2: Point, you're too jacked.
1:30:08
Speaker 1: There's a cost.
1:30:09
Speaker 2: Well, there's definitely a cost to the way you look.
1:30:12
Like you look intimidating. Right. That's not that funny for people.
1:30:15
Speaker 3: Right.
1:30:16
Speaker 1: And Roseanne was telling me when she was starting out,
1:30:19
she lost all this weight and people stopped laughing.
1:30:21
Speaker 2: There's plenty of skinny, funny women.
1:30:24
Speaker 1: Not in 1981. Are you calling Roseanne Barr a liar?
1:30:29
Speaker 2: No, I just don't think that's what it was. I've
1:30:31
seen people lose weight and still be hilarious. There is
1:30:35
a mentality that people have. Like Kevin James, his fucking
1:30:38
agent said this to him once. I got furious. Kevin
1:30:41
was losing weight. He was trying to get in shape.
1:30:42
He was really self-conscious about his weight. And his agent said, Kevin,
1:30:46
when you lose weight, you're losing roles.
1:30:49
Speaker 1: But that's true though because he's very much a specific character.
1:30:52
Speaker 2: So what? He could fucking do anything. He's a talented guy.
1:30:56
It's not like if he lost the weight, he wouldn't
1:30:58
be funny anymore. That dude is fucking funny. Hold on.
1:31:01
Speaker 1: Hold on. I'm not disrespecting Kevin James in any way.
1:31:04
Mad respect for him. Ball Cop, the greatest comedy of
1:31:08
all time.
1:31:08
Speaker 2: It's a funny movie.
1:31:09
Speaker 1: I believe you. I haven't seen it. Point being– He
1:31:12
is very much in people's mind a certain specific thing.
1:31:16
Speaker 2: Right.
1:31:16
Speaker 1: So if Kevin James stopped being that thing, I think
1:31:20
it's going to be a lot hard for a lot
1:31:21
of normies to come over with him to a different paradigm.
1:31:25
That's all I'm saying.
1:31:26
Speaker 2: Perhaps. Come on. It would be a challenge, but I
1:31:28
think he'd still be hilarious. I do not think that
1:31:31
he is limited by his weight. OK.
1:31:34
Speaker 1: If Will Ferrell got like Hugh Jackman, do you think
1:31:38
he'd have the same roles?
1:31:40
Speaker 2: He wouldn't necessarily have the same roles. He would still
1:31:42
be very funny. Yes, he would.
1:31:44
Speaker 1: But you know perfectly well that there's lots of people.
1:31:46
Speaker 2: It would be weird because he would be super jacked.
1:31:49
Like if he got the rock jacked.
1:31:51
Speaker 3: Right.
1:31:51
Speaker 2: It would be weird.
1:31:52
Speaker 1: People don't know how to deal with that stuff. So
1:31:55
the agent's not wrong.
1:31:57
Speaker 2: Well, the agent's still not looking out for Kevin's health.
1:32:00
Was he that big?
1:32:01
Speaker 1: He was big.
1:32:02
Speaker 2: He was big and he didn't like it and he
1:32:03
was worried.
1:32:04
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:32:04
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:32:05
Speaker 1: That's very fair. Yeah. Yeah. But you don't have to
1:32:07
go from– you could go slimmer. You don't have to
1:32:09
go to like running peptides and stuff.
1:32:13
Speaker 2: Right. You don't have to get jacked.
1:32:15
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:32:15
Speaker 2: But maybe he wants to. You can. It could be done.
1:32:19
Speaker 1: I mean what's that guy who claims he's natty, that
1:32:22
Indian guy who was in I think The Avengers or something?
1:32:26
Speaker 2: Oh, Camille? Yeah.
1:32:28
Speaker 1: Was it him?
1:32:29
Speaker 2: I don't think he claims he's natty. Does he?
1:32:32
Speaker 4: No.
1:32:33
Speaker 1: It's special exercises, Joe.
1:32:35
Speaker 2: Come on. He doesn't even claim he's on testosterone replacement?
1:32:40
Speaker 1: Don't you know that if you just do lateral raises? Yeah,
1:32:44
he claims that.
1:32:45
Speaker 2: He has to. They all have to. I don't know
1:32:47
if that's real.
1:32:49
Speaker 1: Yes, it does. Look him up.
1:32:50
Speaker 2: He did a very funny bit about people being angry
1:32:53
at him for getting in shape. Oh, okay. He did
1:32:55
a funny bit in his recent stand-up special about that.
1:32:59
Does he claim that he's natural? That's a weird thing.
1:33:02
Speaker 1: The one I'm thinking of isn't a stand-up. The one
1:33:04
from the movies.
1:33:05
Speaker 2: Yeah. He's a stand-up. He started out as a stand-up.
1:33:07
Speaker 1: Oh, good for him.
1:33:07
Speaker 3: Okay.
1:33:08
Speaker 2: Kamil Nanjiani, right?
1:33:09
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:33:10
Speaker 2: Yeah, he started out as a stand-up. Yeah. And he's
1:33:13
doing stand-up again. He just released a special.
1:33:14
Speaker 1: What's his name? It's funny. He claims Daddy, too.
1:33:16
Speaker 2: Thor.
1:33:17
Speaker 1: They all do.
1:33:17
Speaker 2: No! That guy claims Daddy?
1:33:21
Speaker 1: They have to. Chris Hemsworth? I think he does.
1:33:23
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here. That guy gained like
1:33:25
60 pounds of solid muscle.
1:33:27
Speaker 1: Well, that's because he's doing lateral raises, you fool. Oh,
1:33:30
I didn't know. How do you know? You've never seen
1:33:32
him put a needle in his ass.
1:33:33
Speaker 2: You're right.
1:33:34
Speaker 1: He has personal trainers that teach him second exercises.
1:33:36
Speaker 2: You're right. I've been on testosterone replacement for a long
1:33:39
time and I highly recommend it to anybody who wants
1:33:41
to stay in shape.
1:33:42
Speaker 1: How long have you been on it?
1:33:43
Speaker 2: Since I was like almost 40. I started with like
1:33:46
the cream and then– well, I noticed my– I was,
1:33:51
you know, I was training a lot. That was back
1:33:53
then I was doing jujitsu four or five days a
1:33:55
week and I was lifting.
1:33:56
Speaker 1: That's harder than body.
1:33:57
Speaker 2: It's hard.
1:33:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course.
1:33:58
Speaker 2: And you're always tired. And, you know, I had a
1:34:02
doctor that specialized in that stuff. That's one of those
1:34:05
things was hormone replacement therapy and doing a lot of
1:34:08
it for people that had head injuries. Because people with
1:34:11
head injuries, people that have had CTE and a lot
1:34:15
of like you have damage to your pituitary gland. A
1:34:17
lot of times your brain is not. producing testosterone at
1:34:20
the level it's supposed to.
1:34:21
Speaker 1: Oh, is that right?
1:34:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, your pituitary gland gets damaged from repeated head trauma.
1:34:26
That's one of the things that causes depression in a
1:34:27
lot of people that have had head trauma. It's like
1:34:30
your body's not making hormones anymore. So you're just like,
1:34:33
you're fucking lethargic all the time. That's a factor. His statements.
1:34:37
He described a year-long process with professional trainers, nutritionists, funded
1:34:40
by Marvel, daily workouts, precise calorie tracking, no refined sugar,
1:34:45
and minimum fats. In his 2019 Instagram post, he emphasized
1:34:49
the resources required but never mentioned PEDs, steroids, or denied
1:34:54
their use. So he never denied it.
1:34:56
Speaker 1: Okay. He didn't deny it.
1:34:57
Speaker 2: Okay.
1:34:57
Speaker 1: I take it back. I apologize.
1:34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah. From a softer build at age 41, for fucking sure,
1:35:04
he got on testosterone. There was a lot of people
1:35:06
that were giving me shit about being on testosterone like
1:35:09
15 years ago that are on it now.
1:35:10
Speaker 1: No disrespect to him.
1:35:12
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing wrong with it. I just said I
1:35:14
do it. No, that's the point. Everybody should do it
1:35:15
at a certain point.
1:35:16
Speaker 1: It's just really funny. People are yelling at him, oh,
1:35:19
you're cheating. It's like cheating for what? Where's the test?
1:35:21
Speaker 2: People are silly. People are silly. And they're just mad
1:35:24
that he didn't look like– he looked like them. He
1:35:27
was doughy and now all of a sudden he looks
1:35:29
like a bro and they don't like it.
1:35:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, but the thing that's kind of crazy is now
1:35:32
the kids in high school are hopping on.
1:35:34
Speaker 2: That's crazy because you're going to destroy your endocrine system.
1:35:37
Speaker 1: And also if you're peaking at 18, that's not going
1:35:39
to be good for your mental health.
1:35:40
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that. It's just like it kills
1:35:42
your dick. When you put a bunch of exogenous testosterone
1:35:47
in your body, your body stops making testosterone. And so
1:35:49
say if you're on a cycle for like a month,
1:35:52
two months, it will take you four months for your
1:35:55
body to get back to normal. I think that's the
1:35:57
ratio most people– if you're not taking like clomiphene or
1:36:01
any of these other things or HCG or something that
1:36:04
naturally ramps up your testosterone– I think they think that
1:36:09
the number is like double the time that you run
1:36:11
a cycle before you get.
1:36:11
Speaker 1: Back to normal.
1:36:12
Speaker 2: It's also harder and harder.
1:36:12
Speaker 1: If you keep running cycles, it gets harder and harder.
1:36:15
Speaker 2: 100% because your body starts relying on it and your
1:36:17
endocrine system shuts down. And it's like why do we
1:36:20
have to make testosterone? This guy has got more than
1:36:22
a normal human ever has. Right. And so we just stop.
1:36:25
Speaker 1: And I think these numbers are through the roof with
1:36:27
the kids now.
1:36:27
Speaker 2: Well, they all want to be like an influencer. They
1:36:30
all want to be jacked. It's just like you don't
1:36:32
understand the harm you're doing to your body.
1:36:34
Speaker 1: But it's also the kind of thing where it's just
1:36:36
like– You shouldn't be comparing yourself to the guy on
1:36:39
Instagram or the gym. Compare yourself to the guy on
1:36:42
the plane next time you're at an airport. That's what
1:36:44
I do. That's what kind of helped me. When I
1:36:47
get on a flight, I'm like, how many of these people,
1:36:48
especially my age, are in good shape? It's going to
1:36:51
be one out of 100.
1:36:51
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is there's– especially when you're young,
1:36:54
there's plenty of stuff that you can do that's natural
1:36:57
and super beneficial and not dangerous like creatine. Creatine is
1:37:02
tremendous for bodybuilding.
1:37:03
Speaker 1: But you're not going to be a name. No one's
1:37:06
going to notice you on Instagram. That's the thing. They're
1:37:08
chasing the fame.
1:37:10
Speaker 2: That's so sad.
1:37:11
Speaker 1: It's very sad. It's very, I mean, some of these
1:37:13
guys look better than Schwarzenegger and they're 17. It's insane.
1:37:17
But it's just like, what's your future going to?
1:37:19
Speaker 2: Well, you're not going to have kids, right? You're going
1:37:21
to be sterile. You're not going to have any sperm.
1:37:24
Speaker 1: But you know, there was that thing about, they asked Olympians,
1:37:28
would you give up like 20 years of your life?
1:37:31
You're guaranteed a gold. And like 90% of them said yes.
1:37:33
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:37:34
Speaker 2: I know. Well, look at Lindsey Vonn. I mean, she
1:37:36
knew that she had a blown ACL and she still skied.
1:37:39
Speaker 1: Is that right?
1:37:39
Speaker 2: Yeah. She blew her ACL out like a couple of
1:37:42
weeks before the Olympics and still decided to compete and
1:37:46
then shattered her leg with this horrible compound fracture.
1:37:50
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
1:37:51
Speaker 2: Oh, you didn't know about that?
1:37:52
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
1:37:52
Speaker 2: She had to get airlifted. She's had multiple surgeries. She's
1:37:56
fucked for a long time. Her leg broke in multiple places.
1:37:59
She's got rods and stuff in it. And leg breaks
1:38:02
are really scary because your body doesn't necessarily always heal
1:38:07
from those. Like sometimes the blood flow is not appropriate.
1:38:10
It's not what you need. And people get their legs
1:38:14
amputated from those things.
1:38:15
Speaker 1: Jesus.
1:38:16
Speaker 2: Yeah. Femur breaks are super dangerous.
1:38:19
Speaker 1: I've never broken a bone. Ever? I know, right?
1:38:22
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
1:38:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:38:23
Speaker 2: Nothing?
1:38:24
Speaker 1: Part of me is like, is this something I want
1:38:25
to try before I die?
1:38:26
Speaker 2: No, it sucks.
1:38:28
Speaker 1: Does it? But how bad is it?
1:38:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. I broke my arm when I was seven. I
1:38:33
broke my forearm right here. I fell off a monkey
1:38:35
bar and snapped my forearm in half. That healed perfect.
1:38:39
But when you're a kid, they just put me in
1:38:41
a cast. And like six weeks later, I was good
1:38:42
to go. I broke my fibula, the small bone of
1:38:47
my tibia. In sparring, a friend of mine threw a
1:38:51
back kick at the same time. I was throwing a
1:38:53
kick in his heel, hit my fibula and cracked that.
1:38:57
But that was only a crack. I actually competed with that.
1:39:00
I put soccer pads on it, those plastic soccer. I
1:39:04
taped soccer instep pads to that part of my– I
1:39:08
didn't tell anybody. Oh, OK. Because it was a Taekwondo tournament,
1:39:10
so I had pants on.
1:39:12
Speaker 1: OK, yeah.
1:39:13
Speaker 2: And so I put like a regular– these soccer pads–
1:39:17
I taped them to my calf and then I put
1:39:20
the foam one on over that and I competed.
1:39:24
Speaker 3: Huh.
1:39:24
Speaker 1: OK.
1:39:25
Speaker 2: I won the states that way.
1:39:26
Speaker 1: OK, great. Were you a national champion?
1:39:29
Speaker 2: I won American Open and I came in second place
1:39:33
in the U.S. Cup against the national champion and I
1:39:35
think I should have beat him. I got a bad decision.
1:39:38
But I never won the national championships. But at the
1:39:40
time that I was getting ready to try to win
1:39:43
the national championships in 88, the problem was I had
1:39:46
already been disillusioned because I had started kickboxing.
1:39:49
Speaker 1: Okay.
1:39:50
Speaker 2: And I'd already started realizing there's a lot of holes
1:39:52
in Taekwondo.
1:39:53
Speaker 1: Well, Taekwondo is like, with the rise of UFC, it's
1:39:56
really not good.
1:39:57
Speaker 2: Well, it is if you know all the other stuff. Right, right.
1:40:00
Because those kicks are devastating.
1:40:02
Speaker 1: Right.
1:40:02
Speaker 2: They're devastating. And a guy who's a really good kicker,
1:40:04
like a Michael Venom Page, for instance, who's a karate
1:40:08
specialist who learned how to defend takedowns, they're really dangerous
1:40:11
because- They have the ability to cover distance and kick
1:40:14
at range. And if you're not a good kicker and
1:40:16
you don't recognize what this guy is doing, they could
1:40:18
fuck you up. Right. But there was so many holes
1:40:21
in Taekwondo when it came to like punching to the
1:40:23
face and then leg kicks. I didn't realize like how
1:40:27
many holes there were in it until I started really
1:40:29
getting into kickboxing. So I was– by the time 88
1:40:32
rolled around, I was already disillusioned. Okay. Yeah. And then
1:40:36
I was already starting to do stand-up. So it was
1:40:38
like what am I doing with my life?
1:40:40
Speaker 1: Oh, I got a bone to pick with you.
1:40:41
Speaker 2: Ooh. I'm excited.
1:40:43
Speaker 1: Oh, you set me up perfectly. Okay. You set me
1:40:46
up perfectly. Thank you, Joe Rogan. Bridget Phetasy sat in
1:40:50
this very chair.
1:40:52
Speaker 2: Right.
1:40:52
Speaker 1: The chair I'm farting in right now because I had
1:40:56
some vintage Olean chips for eBay. And this chair is
1:40:59
going to be a disaster.
1:41:00
Speaker 2: That's the Trump chair.
1:41:01
Speaker 1: I know. And she told you that I'm starting to
1:41:06
do stand-up. And you said, that's great. He's so funny.
1:41:09
He could open for me. And then I was all
1:41:11
excited about this opportunity and I wait a few weeks
1:41:14
because I was scared to– like whatever. And you text
1:41:16
me about some meme and I go.
1:41:18
Speaker 2: First of all, I don't think I said you could
1:41:20
open for me. I highly doubt I said that. You did.
1:41:22
Speaker 1: But that's fine. I'm not holding you to it. I'm
1:41:23
just saying you said that. That's fine.
1:41:25
Speaker 2: Maybe I was joking.
1:41:27
Speaker 1: I'm not holding you to it. You were just encouraging.
1:41:29
Speaker 2: OK? Let's just leave it there. I think you're very funny. OK.
1:41:32
Speaker 1: You text me about some meme. I go, hey, I'm
1:41:34
going to do a stand-up. You go, you absolutely should.
1:41:36
You're very funny. I go, I have my set. What
1:41:38
should I do next? Do you know what you said?
1:41:39
Speaker 4: What?
1:41:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:41:42
Speaker 1: You left me on your own.
1:41:42
Speaker 2: You're on your own, bitch. What do you mean? Because
1:41:44
you've got to figure it out. It's like, you know,
1:41:47
I want to start fighting. What should I do? You
1:41:49
know what to do. Go to a fucking gym. Figure
1:41:51
it out. Start training. I can't hold anybody's hand. Stand-up
1:41:55
is too hard for you to help someone in the beginning.
1:41:58
You've got to actually want to do it.
1:41:59
Speaker 3: Sure.
1:42:00
Speaker 2: So you've got to go to open mics. You've got
1:42:01
to do stand-up. You've got to get ready. Put a
1:42:03
set together. Record it. Review it. Done. Okay. Yeah. So
1:42:06
you're doing stand-up all the time.
1:42:08
Speaker 1: You're saying I should do it all the time?
1:42:09
Speaker 2: You have to do it all the time. It's like...
1:42:11
If you want to spar, you have to spar every week.
1:42:14
Speaker 1: Do you know what everyone told me who I asked?
1:42:16
Like I asked like 10 big names, people who are names,
1:42:19
and they all said the same thing. You have to bomb.
1:42:22
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, bombing is good because it lets you realize
1:42:25
how difficult it is and then you don't like the feeling.
1:42:27
So you work really hard.
1:42:28
Speaker 1: And also you know you have to be ready for
1:42:30
that moment and how to recover from it.
1:42:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Failure. Failure I think in everything is good.
1:42:35
Losing is important. It's very important. It motivates you to
1:42:39
do better. People don't like that feeling, but a lot
1:42:43
of uncomfortable feelings lead to growth. And that's why they're important.
1:42:46
Speaker 1: That's true.
1:42:47
Speaker 2: Heartbreak, losing a job, getting fired, you know, all those
1:42:51
things are important. Okay.
1:42:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
1:42:53
Speaker 2: Stand-up's important too. It's important to have like bad sets.
1:42:57
Speaker 1: Oh, I think you said bad sex.
1:42:58
Speaker 2: Bad sets.
1:42:59
Speaker 1: Yes.
1:42:59
Speaker 2: So when was the last time you went up?
1:43:02
Speaker 1: I haven't done it for a while because I didn't
1:43:03
know what to do.
1:43:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to do it a lot. It's got
1:43:05
to be something that you're dedicated to. That's why I'm
1:43:08
saying you can't just.
1:43:09
Speaker 1: Say, what do I do?
1:43:10
Speaker 2: Okay. That's fair. You got to do it.
1:43:12
Speaker 1: That's very fair. I've been talking to Cal and he's
1:43:13
been very helpful.
1:43:15
Speaker 2: Yeah. There's plenty of places we could perform. I mean,
1:43:19
Austin alone, on my street alone, on 6th Street, there's
1:43:22
like within a one block radius, there's like seven clubs.
1:43:25
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that.
1:43:26
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the place. If you want to
1:43:27
do stand-up, this is the fucking place, man. I mean,
1:43:30
it's incredible right now. Okay.
1:43:32
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Point taken.
1:43:33
Speaker 2: I mean, my club alone has two nights of open
1:43:34
mic nights.
1:43:35
Speaker 1: Is that true? Uh-huh.
1:43:36
Speaker 2: Sunday and Monday night are both open mic nights. Okay.
1:43:38
Speaker 1: Then I'm going to sign up.
1:43:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, we have a real development program. The whole idea
1:43:41
is like to make it so that we have like
1:43:43
a real foundation of people that are coming up. And
1:43:46
that motivates all the people that are already doing well.
1:43:49
It's like, oh, these guys are like really working hard
1:43:51
and it gets everybody excited about working hard. And then
1:43:54
it motivates the people at the top saying, hey, these
1:43:56
young guys are really good. And then guys start getting
1:43:58
specials and like Cam Patterson just got an SNL. All
1:44:02
these things are happening for people from the club. So
1:44:04
it's like it's a great place.
1:44:06
Speaker 1: OK, no, that's fine. That's very fair.
1:44:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not something that you can kind of
1:44:10
casually do every now and again. You can, but you
1:44:13
won't be as good as you will be if you
1:44:15
do it every week.
1:44:17
Speaker 1: Callan said that as well.
1:44:18
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:44:18
Speaker 1: He's like, you have to put in the time. This
1:44:20
is not something that you could do just on.
1:44:22
Speaker 2: Weekends or whatever. Yeah, you can't like run around your
1:44:25
block once a month and think you can go do
1:44:28
a marathon.
1:44:29
Speaker 3: Right.
1:44:29
Speaker 2: Yeah. You got to get in and you got to–
1:44:33
the thing about stand-up is like you're making a mountain
1:44:36
one layer of paint at a time. It's not a
1:44:41
quick process. To become a stand-up, most people agree that
1:44:44
it's not a hard, fast rule because it's depending upon
1:44:46
how much actual time you do and how much focus.
1:44:49
But the general rule is 10 years. Really? Yeah. The
1:44:54
general rule is 10 years. Like people don't really think
1:44:57
of you as being legit until you've been in it
1:44:59
for 10 years.
1:45:00
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have 10 years.
1:45:01
Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody has 10 years. I don't
1:45:04
know if the human race has 10 years. I see
1:45:07
those robots in China that are doing fucking Kung Fu.
1:45:10
Speaker 1: Are there already?
1:45:10
Speaker 2: Oh, my God. They just did this demonstration, this martial
1:45:13
arts demonstration with these robots on a stage. It's crazy
1:45:17
how fucking how they move.
1:45:19
Speaker 1: I'm more worried about if anyone can use AI to
1:45:23
engineer a bioweapon. Oh, that.
1:45:25
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's real.
1:45:26
Speaker 1: Because there was a piece– a guy. I forget his name.
1:45:29
I apologize. He's one of these big AI people and
1:45:32
he goes, if you use the paid for AI, he goes,
1:45:35
I can tell it to write me code and it
1:45:37
also knows like idiosyncratic preferences. So it's better than hiring
1:45:42
a person and that's today. So what's going to happen
1:45:45
in two years, three years? Like how do you put
1:45:48
guardrails on that? I don't think you can.
1:45:50
Speaker 2: I don't think you can and there's a lot of
1:45:52
people that are resigning from a lot of these companies
1:45:54
that are saying we're doomed.
1:45:56
Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm not a doom and gloom kind of guy,
1:46:00
but that I think is a much faster path toward
1:46:05
something happening than robots, kung fu robots.
1:46:08
Speaker 2: Well, there's also automated weapons, weapon systems that are totally autonomous.
1:46:13
Speaker 1: Is that right?
1:46:14
Speaker 2: Yes. The government's working on that. And I believe there
1:46:18
was an issue– see if you can find this– with
1:46:20
one of the AI companies not willing to partner with
1:46:24
the– or not willing to– do something with autonomous weapons programs.
1:46:30
I think it's Anthropic. Oh, wow. Yeah, I think Anthropic
1:46:34
was like, we don't think that's good. And all the
1:46:38
other ones are like, let's go.
1:46:39
Speaker 1: Holy shit, yeah.
1:46:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the thing is, is China doing that? They
1:46:44
probably are. Anthropic is clashing with the Pentagon over AI use.
1:46:47
Here's what each side wants. Anthropic's relationship with the Department
1:46:50
of Defense is... is under review as the two sides
1:46:56
negotiate over how the company's AI models can be used.
1:46:59
Startup wants assurance that its models will not be used
1:47:01
for autonomous weapons or mass surveillance. Oh my God, these
1:47:06
pop-ups are brutal. Fuck you, CNBC. The DoD wants to
1:47:12
use anthropic models for all lawful use cases without limitation.
1:47:18
According to Emil Michael, the undersecretary of war for research
1:47:23
and engineering.
1:47:25
Speaker 1: Holy crap.
1:47:26
Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is what they're doing.
1:47:28
Speaker 1: So which is worse, autonomous weapons or mass surveillance? I
1:47:31
think it's mass surveillance.
1:47:32
Speaker 2: Both of them are terrible.
1:47:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is worse though.
1:47:33
Speaker 2: Because they work hand in glove. Both of them are terrible.
1:47:38
I mean, did you see Alex Karp, that interview that
1:47:41
he did? Where he was talking about Palantir and he's
1:47:45
like we're going to– and occasionally kill people. We're going
1:47:47
to use it to kill people.
1:47:48
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:47:49
Speaker 2: That's what he said. Right. Right. But he was like
1:47:52
openly saying kill people. Like this is what we're doing.
1:47:55
Like what?
1:47:57
Speaker 1: But I– did you see that big leak from Palantir,
1:48:01
which I don't know if it's been verified or not.
1:48:04
Where they were talking– Kim.com was the one who dropped this.
1:48:08
Speaker 2: Yes. I did see that Kim.com tweeted about it, but
1:48:11
I didn't see if it was verified. What did he
1:48:13
say exactly?
1:48:15
Speaker 1: It was a long, long thing. Palantir got hacked. He
1:48:20
said he doesn't have... I don't think it was verified
1:48:23
that this was legitimate, but these were the bullet points
1:48:25
he laid out, and it was extremely disturbing. It's not
1:48:29
surprising that a private company is going to be more
1:48:31
effective and efficient than the government at implementing what the
1:48:34
government wants. A lot of the things during COVID wasn't
1:48:36
literally the government. These corporations were more than happy to impose...
1:48:40
These kind of– if you don't get the vaccine so-called,
1:48:42
you're going to get fired.
1:48:43
Speaker 2: Well, they were all having backdoor deals. Exactly.
1:48:46
Speaker 1: But they were more than happy to do it.
1:48:47
Speaker 2: Yeah. They were being incentivized.
1:48:49
Speaker 1: Right, right.
1:48:50
Speaker 2: Which is fucking crazy. But the thing about this AI
1:48:55
stuff that no one realizes except for the engineers that
1:48:58
are deeply invested in this is that it's accelerating at
1:49:02
this tremendously rapid pace that they can't really control anything.
1:49:06
Chat GPT-5, I was reading this article. Chat GPT made
1:49:11
Chat GPT-5. They essentially tasked the AI to make a
1:49:16
better version of itself. Make sure that's true. I'm pretty
1:49:19
sure that's what they're saying.
1:49:20
Speaker 1: Right now, for free, if you put any photo on
1:49:22
Grok Imagine, it animates it. And it looks realistic.
1:49:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:49:26
Speaker 1: Like instantly.
1:49:27
Speaker 2: There's a video of me and Keanu Reeves doing kung
1:49:29
fu in this room. Like he's dressed up like John Wick.
1:49:33
Speaker 1: But it looks real, I'm sure.
1:49:34
Speaker 2: It looks very real. It's like a scene from John Wick.
1:49:37
It's like we're doing movie-style kung fu in this room.
1:49:42
Speaker 1: And the average person can't distinguish between what is on
1:49:44
their screen and what is outside their window.
1:49:46
Speaker 2: Right.
1:49:47
Speaker 1: And for the human brain, they're going to remember it
1:49:50
and perceive it as something that they had seen before.
1:49:52
Speaker 2: Right.
1:49:52
Speaker 1: It is a very scary thing. I remember something that
1:49:55
clicked in my head, Survivor Season 1. So that was
1:49:57
like 2000, I think it was, 2001.
1:49:58
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:49:59
Speaker 1: They had the second to last episode. There's four contestants left.
1:50:03
And they go, next week on Survivor. And Sue turns
1:50:05
to Kelly and she goes, we got to vote out Richard.
1:50:08
And I was on a message board at the time.
1:50:11
And one of the people, they're like, who do you
1:50:12
think is going to be eliminated? One goes, oh, I
1:50:14
think they're going to vote out Richard. Did you hear
1:50:15
what Sue said? We all heard it. This wasn't eavesdropping.
1:50:19
This was a sound clip that the editor left in.
1:50:22
There was nothing else to hear. In fact, you could
1:50:24
only hear what Sue said to Kelly. And that was
1:50:27
such a wake-up moment for me. Like, holy shit, people
1:50:29
really think they're on that beach. And they heard something
1:50:32
they weren't supposed to. But you laugh. But there will
1:50:37
be people who tell you right now with a straight face,
1:50:40
and I think they could pass the lie detector test easily,
1:50:42
that Trump said we should inject bleach. And Trump said,
1:50:47
I'm praising very fine people, white nationalists. And you could
1:50:50
play the tape. They will not perceive it. They're not lying.
1:50:52
And I think that's a big hurdle for a lot
1:50:55
of people to accept. People honestly are perceiving things that
1:50:58
you're not.
1:50:59
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah. And they're also only looking at headlines
1:51:03
or only looking at narratives. They get a tweet. They
1:51:06
read the tweet. Oh, my God, I can't believe they're
1:51:08
doing this. And then they put it down. They're too busy.
1:51:11
They're not going to do deep dives. It's not that
1:51:13
they're too busy.
1:51:14
Speaker 1: It's that their preconception has been validated.
1:51:16
Speaker 2: That too.
1:51:16
Speaker 1: They're not running a true-false filter. They're running an us-them filter.
1:51:19
Speaker 2: Right. That's right.
1:51:21
Speaker 1: Trump's thousands of times the Epstein files. There you go.
1:51:23
What else do I need to tell you?
1:51:24
Speaker 2: That's it.
1:51:24
Speaker 1: Yeah.
1:51:25
Speaker 2: Very fine people on both sides. I mean Obama said
1:51:27
that during the campaign. When he said that during the campaign,
1:51:30
I'm like that's crazy.
1:51:32
Speaker 1: Well, Biden said that was his reason for running. You
1:51:35
don't remember that?
1:51:36
Speaker 2: Did you see in the Epstein files someone said that
1:51:39
Biden is dead?
1:51:40
Speaker 1: Well, they're also saying that Epstein's alive.
1:51:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be real.
1:51:44
Speaker 1: I don't know how they pull that off. Here's the thing.
1:51:48
I'm sorry to interrupt you. Whenever I hear something that's
1:51:50
out there, I'm not saying it's ridiculous. I always say
1:51:52
to myself, what steps would need to be taken for
1:51:55
this to be true, right? So if you're going to
1:51:57
keep Epstein alive and he's obviously extremely visible, his face
1:52:01
and very known, how do you keep that guy under
1:52:03
wraps would be the question I would have.
1:52:05
Speaker 2: You move him to Israel and you get plastic surgery.
1:52:09
Speaker 1: You think so? That's it? Yeah.
1:52:11
Speaker 2: Look, Renee Zellweger looks different.
1:52:13
Speaker 1: That's true.
1:52:14
Speaker 2: And she's a fucking movie star. She kind of ruined
1:52:16
her career by making herself look prettier. Right?
1:52:20
Speaker 1: No, she looks Asian now. She's got all those big cheeks.
1:52:23
Speaker 2: She did something weird.
1:52:23
Speaker 1: No, she's got all those big cheeks and her eyes
1:52:25
are all small now.
1:52:26
Speaker 2: What did she do? Let's take a look at what
1:52:27
she did.
1:52:27
Speaker 1: She's all puffy-faced, yeah.
1:52:29
Speaker 2: People said that Bradley Cooper did something, but he came
1:52:33
in here, he looked fucking completely normal. It's just weird
1:52:36
pictures online. Like maybe one day he was tired and
1:52:39
one day he wasn't.
1:52:39
Speaker 1: Renee Zellweger really did.
1:52:40
Speaker 2: She did something. Bradley Cooper looks exactly like Bradley Cooper
1:52:45
to me. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Like she did something weird.
1:52:48
Speaker 1: God, she was so cute. She looks like that.
1:52:51
Speaker 2: Look at her in 2009. She was so cute.
1:52:53
Speaker 1: Who's that annoying lefty lady who's a podcaster? yes you
1:52:57
do the one who was a real housewife and now.
1:52:58
Speaker 2: She's oh yeah I don't know her name but she's awful.
1:53:01
Speaker 1: She's a heel she does a great job being a heel.
1:53:04
Speaker 2: She's great at that everyone lock them all up no
1:53:07
one wants to fuck her anymore she's very angry that's
1:53:09
what she looks like now let me see that again
1:53:11
I'm just looking at other photos other photos okay the
1:53:15
one on the far right she's still pretty But there's
1:53:19
definitely a change in her face.
1:53:21
Speaker 1: Look at that fifth photo.
1:53:21
Speaker 2: Jennifer Grey is a better example.
1:53:23
Speaker 1: Well, she's got a nose job.
1:53:24
Speaker 2: Right. But after that nose job, her career kind of
1:53:26
fucking stopped. Well, no.
1:53:27
Speaker 1: Linda Evans is the worst of this. Can you pull
1:53:29
up Linda Evans?
1:53:30
Speaker 2: Linda Evans from The Terminator?
1:53:31
Speaker 1: From Dynasty.
1:53:33
Speaker 3: Oh.
1:53:34
Speaker 2: Linda Hamilton, Terminator. Yeah.
1:53:35
Speaker 1: Linda Evans is really- Linda Hamilton.
1:53:38
Speaker 2: Is fucking awesome in Stranger Things. What did she do?
1:53:41
Speaker 1: I mean, she looks horrific.
1:53:42
Speaker 2: Well, she's old, man.
1:53:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's plenty of old people who don't look
1:53:45
like that.
1:53:46
Speaker 2: She doesn't look like she did anything. She sued. She sued.
1:53:48
she sued for a plastic surgery?
1:53:51
Speaker 4: Yeah.
1:53:51
Speaker 1: Look at that one right there, Jamie.
1:53:52
Speaker 2: Yeah. Pull that up.
1:53:57
Speaker 1: It's bad.
1:54:00
Speaker 2: Well, that's just, I don't see, where does it say?
1:54:03
Speaker 1: The one right under that, the red one.
1:54:04
Speaker 2: See that?
1:54:05
Speaker 1: Yeah, pull that up.
1:54:05
Speaker 2: See? Finding peace and happiness growing older in the Northwest. Well,
1:54:10
that just looks like an older lady.
1:54:12
Speaker 1: But she doesn't look like herself at all.
1:54:14
Speaker 2: But she's older.
1:54:15
Speaker 1: But she had a lot of, F'd up work. Maybe
1:54:18
she had some of it reversed.
1:54:19
Speaker 2: Maybe.
1:54:20
Speaker 1: You're saying that's not.
1:54:22
Speaker 2: That one's not that shocking to me. That's just an
1:54:25
older lady.
1:54:25
Speaker 1: I don't think... I think it's quite shocking. Because I
1:54:28
think it looks bad. No disrespect to her.
1:54:31
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the difference between a 30-year-old lady and
1:54:34
a fucking 70-year-old lady.
1:54:36
Speaker 1: There's plenty of 70-year-old ladies who don't look like protein bars.
1:54:40
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't think that's the best example.
1:54:43
I think that Renee's– OK. What has Linda done to
1:54:46
her face?
1:54:46
Speaker 3: Right.
1:54:46
Speaker 1: OK.
1:54:47
Speaker 2: So it might not even be true.
1:54:50
Speaker 1: There's a lot of cases like this. It's whatever.
1:54:54
Speaker 2: Yeah. What was the point? How did we get on that?
1:54:57
Speaker 1: What were we talking about? Keanu Reeves, the– Renee Zellweger?
1:55:02
Speaker 4: I was looking up ChatGPT stuff and then switched to that.
1:55:05
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah. ChatGPT 5. Did ChatGPT code ChatGPT 5?
1:55:11
Speaker 4: I don't even know how to search that. I don't
1:55:13
know the right search term to look that up because I'm.
1:55:15
Speaker 2: Not getting anywhere. If you ask that question, it doesn't?
1:55:18
Speaker 3: I chat GPT-5 makes itself better.
1:55:22
Speaker 2: There's something that I was trying to dig into.
1:55:23
Speaker 1: Is that singularity stuff?
1:55:24
Speaker 4: It's called like self-correcting loops or something like that. I'm
1:55:27
not getting anywhere with that.
1:55:29
Speaker 2: That's not the right term. This was the concern about
1:55:32
AI was that eventually AI would become sentient and autonomous
1:55:36
and would create better versions of itself.
1:55:37
Speaker 1: Right.
1:55:38
Speaker 2: And it would do it very quickly. Right. And I
1:55:40
think we're in that right now. I think what we're
1:55:43
getting– from these engineers is an indication that the people
1:55:47
that are deeply involved in this are fucking disturbed by
1:55:50
the power of this stuff. They essentially say that they
1:55:53
don't have a job anymore. They just kind of show
1:55:55
up and it does the work for them and that
1:55:58
this is far more potent than what the general public
1:56:02
is aware of and getting better all the time.
1:56:04
Speaker 1: We're at the point now where Grok is a better
1:56:08
conversationalist and better at perceiving nuance and humor than the
1:56:12
average person. A lot of times if I have a
1:56:15
tweet and some cretin comes in with some response, I
1:56:18
will just say, hey, Grok, explain to this person such
1:56:20
and such and such. And I leave it for Grok
1:56:22
to be like a tart handler. And I do this
1:56:24
every single day. But the point is if I'm being humorous,
1:56:28
maybe my jokes aren't that funny. Point being, Grok understands
1:56:31
that I'm being humorous. Even this person isn't or is
1:56:34
pretending not to. So what happens when the average person,
1:56:39
what are they bringing to the table? Right.
1:56:41
Speaker 2: What are they bringing to the table?
1:56:42
Speaker 1: What about artists too?
1:56:43
Speaker 2: Right.
1:56:43
Speaker 1: The AI art is getting better every single day. Like
1:56:46
I did a book where I used AI for the cover.
1:56:48
It's like what are you going to do with– you're
1:56:51
going to have a certain number of people who are
1:56:52
good at like massaging it and having great ideas. Right.
1:56:57
At a certain point, there's only so much you can do.
1:56:59
Speaker 2: Did you see what the Doerr brothers did? No. They're
1:57:02
these really good AI artists. They're the guys who do
1:57:04
all the intros to the Kill Tony videos.
1:57:06
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
1:57:07
Speaker 2: They're fucking awesome. And they just made like a Hollywood movie.
1:57:11
And they did it in like a day. Right. With AI.
1:57:15
See if you can find that clip because it went
1:57:16
viral and everybody's kind of freaking out. They're like, Hollywood's done.
1:57:19
Because this clip is insane. It's so realistic looking.
1:57:22
Speaker 1: The other thing is. By the time we're all wrapping
1:57:26
our heads around it, it's already six months ago. That's
1:57:29
what's crazy.
1:57:29
Speaker 2: And it's far better than it was then. Let me see.
1:57:31
Put the headphones on. Yes, sir. Go full screen. Bag
1:57:38
it up.
1:57:45
Speaker 1: This is all AI?
1:57:46
Speaker 2: Yeah. Holy crap.
1:58:00
Speaker 1: Holy crap. Whoa.
1:58:07
Speaker 2: Holy crap. What the fuck? Holy shit. Holy shit. I don't.
1:59:00
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't think it's a good idea. For humans,
1:59:04
the casualties.
1:59:04
Speaker 2: This is the other one they did. Check this one out.
1:59:06
I'm really busy.
1:59:07
Speaker 1: Can you get Sophia today?
1:59:08
Speaker 2: What? No, I have a meeting.
1:59:10
Speaker 1: I can't.
1:59:11
Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
1:59:12
Speaker 1: This is all AI?
1:59:13
Speaker 2: Yeah.
1:59:14
Speaker 4: Reporting what is being called a geomagnetic storm.
1:59:17
Speaker 2: This is a phenomenon caused by a massive... Holy shit.
1:59:20
available Stay tuned to this channel.
1:59:58
Look at her face. It looks so realistic.
2:00:05
Speaker 1: I don't like this.
2:00:18
Speaker 2: I love you.
2:00:19
Speaker 4: I'm on my way.
2:00:19
Speaker 2: I need you to hide. Get underground.
2:00:28
Speaker 1: I can't watch that.
2:00:54
Speaker 2: Oh my god. It's a great Cybertruck ad. People point
2:01:21
out loud you can hear the engine which is No
2:01:23
but you can hear the engine when it does that.
2:01:27
It makes a weird humming noise.
2:01:54
Speaker 3: Good morning, sleeping beauty. Why don't you get the president
2:01:59
on the phone?
2:02:05
Speaker 2: We have her.
2:02:06
Speaker 1: I'll be right there. Oh, my God. I don't like
2:02:11
this at all. I don't like that at all.
2:02:13
Speaker 4: I don't think the sound was AI. Some of it
2:02:16
could have been, but it's mixed too good.
2:02:18
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a good thing for people to
2:02:21
casually be seeing footage of people being shot in the face.
2:02:25
Like I'm on YouTube.
2:02:26
Speaker 2: Well, they've already got that.
2:02:28
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's not a good thing.
2:02:29
Speaker 2: Check out this video that I just sent you, Jamie. Okay.
2:02:32
Speaker 1: There's a lot of, I watch a lot of police
2:02:33
body cam videos on YouTube.
2:02:34
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Oh, the real ones.
2:02:36
Speaker 1: And it's just like, are we not having conversation? The
2:02:39
effects of the human mind of just watching real people
2:02:42
getting killed left and right all the time.
2:02:43
Speaker 2: I know.
2:02:44
Speaker 1: Especially young people.
2:02:45
Speaker 2: There's a lot of that.
2:02:46
Speaker 1: Like, I don't like seeing, I mean watching.
2:02:48
Speaker 2: Check this out.
2:02:48
Speaker 1: Okay. Oh Jesus.
2:02:49
Speaker 2: Okay. I was just asking about the pencil trick.
2:03:09
Speaker 1: This is crazy. This is crazy. Oh, there's Shane.
2:03:13
Speaker 2: Okay.
2:03:14
Speaker 1: Weird. But I don't, like, you don't see anything wrong
2:03:19
with just casually showing planes flying into buildings?
2:03:22
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:03:23
Speaker 2: Well, all movies do that, though.
2:03:25
Speaker 1: I don't think that's– yeah, but the thing is this
2:03:27
is how you kind of borrow the frog.
2:03:29
Speaker 2: But they've always done that in action movies.
2:03:32
Speaker 1: I don't think to that level is to have anyone
2:03:34
be able to make this the drop of a hat.
2:03:36
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it should be banned.
2:03:37
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think at a certain point if
2:03:39
24-7 we're seeing dozens of people getting killed, it's going
2:03:45
to have an effect on people's psyches.
2:03:49
Speaker 2: No question.
2:03:50
Speaker 1: And I don't think that's a good effect.
2:03:53
Speaker 2: Well, it's what we have now before this, not good.
2:03:56
Speaker 1: Do you know what else is fucked up? We're not
2:03:57
even talking about what this kind of porn is going
2:03:59
to look like.
2:04:00
Speaker 2: Right. Right. And porn with anybody like you or Jamie.
2:04:04
You and Jamie could be fucking in a video.
2:04:06
Speaker 1: I'm talking about snuff films.
2:04:09
Speaker 2: Oh, right. Right. Yeah. You could make porn right now. 100%.
2:04:12
Speaker 1: Where you're doing the girl, then you cut her head
2:04:15
off or cut body parts off.
2:04:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, just pull out a shotgun as soon as you climax.
2:04:18
Speaker 1: No, pull out a knife.
2:04:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, anything. Yeah.
2:04:21
Speaker 1: And it will look really realistic and you have no
2:04:23
way of– we're still apes.
2:04:24
Speaker 2: People probably already making that. Of course they are. They're
2:04:27
probably already making that.
2:04:28
Speaker 1: Well, that I know. The investigators already don't have the
2:04:31
tools to distinguish between real videos of infants and AI
2:04:35
videos of infants. And this is– again, this has been
2:04:39
a bridge that's been crossed and– Like no one knows
2:04:43
what to say or do about it. It's just like
2:04:45
we're kind of just blinking and it's here.
2:04:47
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just here. It's here and growing and
2:04:50
getting stronger all the time. And we're all just plowing
2:04:54
headfirst towards the cliff.
2:04:57
Speaker 1: And what's going to happen when this kind of stuff
2:04:59
gets matched up with psychedelics?
2:05:03
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that. It's like what happens when
2:05:06
this stuff starts running all of our resources, running our economy,
2:05:10
running everything? Right. Because that's what's going to happen. It's
2:05:14
going to be our government. Well, I mean, right.
2:05:17
Speaker 1: Who was that?
2:05:17
Speaker 2: The creepy line guy? Creepy line?
2:05:19
Speaker 1: There was that documentary, The Creepy Line. Robert something Malone,
2:05:22
I think his name was. He's an academic. He went
2:05:25
through Google and he goes, look, if I'm Google, right,
2:05:30
and I'm Facebook and I have people who are like
2:05:33
Trump and people who are like Hillary. So if I
2:05:36
just put out, hey, you should vote. And send it
2:05:39
just to the Hillary people. I'm not on paper endorsing Hillary.
2:05:42
Don't do Robert Epstein. Robert Epstein.
2:05:43
Speaker 2: Thank you. Oh, that guy. Yeah. We've had that guy
2:05:45
on multiple times.
2:05:46
Speaker 1: Right. But then you're going to be getting out that
2:05:49
vote in the direction you want.
2:05:50
Speaker 2: Well, his concern is Google searches. Sure. So like if
2:05:54
you search Trump, it's all negative stories.
2:05:56
Speaker 1: If you search Hillary, it's all positive stories. I've talked
2:05:59
to him also about the Facebook stuff. If you're promoting
2:06:01
go and vote and you have this group versus that group,
2:06:03
it could nudge it. Very easily.
2:06:05
Speaker 2: Right.
2:06:05
Speaker 1: So that technology is already here and been used.
2:06:07
Speaker 2: And been used.
2:06:08
Speaker 1: Right.
2:06:08
Speaker 2: So that's 10 years ago. That's real election manipulation.
2:06:11
Speaker 3: Right.
2:06:11
Speaker 2: That's already legal and being used. Right. For whatever reason.
2:06:15
Speaker 1: Well, you know what reason.
2:06:16
Speaker 2: But also curated search engines are a real fucking problem
2:06:20
if you're hiding certain information. Like I noticed that during
2:06:24
the pandemic, there was a story about a doctor in
2:06:26
Florida that got vaccinated and then really quickly afterwards had
2:06:31
a stroke and died. And I read the story and
2:06:33
a lot of people were concerned about it. And then
2:06:35
I tried to find it on Google. I could not
2:06:38
find it. I could not find it. I looked everywhere.
2:06:40
Then I looked on DuckDuckGo and I found it immediately. Wow.
2:06:44
And then some– it was in the first page. And
2:06:46
then somewhere along the line, DuckDuckGo got weird too.
2:06:49
Speaker 1: Oh, Jesus.
2:06:50
Speaker 3: Okay.
2:06:50
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like they realized that people were finding
2:06:53
things on– and then I believe– is DuckDuckGo curated or
2:06:58
did they just have open source– What are they saying?
2:07:02
And then I started using Brave and Brave was showing
2:07:05
me things that other search engines weren't showing me.
2:07:08
Speaker 1: But then the other hand, you have the problem of
2:07:11
is it showing you things that are just not true?
2:07:14
Speaker 2: Right. But I was searching for a very specific story
2:07:17
and I couldn't find it. Right, right. You're definitely going
2:07:19
to get a lot of that, especially if there's like– look,
2:07:22
the Hunter Biden laptop story. They got it. 51 different
2:07:25
former intelligence agents to say that it was Russian disinformation.
2:07:27
Speaker 1: It's not curated, okay.
2:07:28
Speaker 2: Not curated in the sense of building a personalized filter
2:07:30
bubble based on user history, but it does curate results
2:07:33
by ranking.
2:07:33
Speaker 3: Yeah.
2:07:33
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can really avoid that, though, right?
2:07:35
Speaker 2: That's curating. Indexing and filtering from hundreds of sources, including Bing.
2:07:40
Bing's not good.
2:07:41
Speaker 1: It has to put things in order somehow.
2:07:42
Speaker 2: To provide what it deems relevant, what it deems relevant.
2:07:46
Unlike Google, it avoids user tracking and personalization, providing a
2:07:50
more neutral, non-personalized search experience, but also... Curated by ranking.
2:07:57
No user profiling. Does not store search history or... All
2:08:00
I know is that there was a difference in the
2:08:02
way it worked for me. It doesn't mean that it's.
2:08:05
Speaker 1: There has to be some ranking process.
2:08:07
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:08:07
Speaker 1: You can't just– it's going to have things in order
2:08:09
no matter what search engine you use. Right.
2:08:10
Speaker 2: When you're looking for something very specific.
2:08:12
Speaker 1: That is– yeah.
2:08:13
Speaker 2: Google would not show me that article. I put in
2:08:17
all the facts of that article. I could not find it.
2:08:19
All it was saying was the benefits of getting the
2:08:20
COVID vaccine.
2:08:21
Speaker 1: Has it gotten better or worse?
2:08:22
Speaker 2: I don't know.
2:08:23
Speaker 1: We don't know.
2:08:23
Speaker 2: How would we know? I don't know. I mean– but
2:08:26
you should be disturbed at Robert Epstein's work. Because Robert
2:08:30
Epstein's work shows that with just this curated search result,
2:08:34
you can shift all these centrist voters, all these middle-of-the-pack voters,
2:08:39
these swing voters. You can shift them by– I think
2:08:42
it's 2 percent. I think it's larger. Point being Trump
2:08:45
won– It was 9 percent or something crazy like that.
2:08:48
Speaker 1: Let's be conservative and say two. Trump won one and
2:08:50
a half.
2:08:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
2:08:52
Speaker 1: So it's– and I don't think things are looking good
2:08:54
for the Republicans going forward.
2:08:55
Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't look good for the midterms, right? I
2:08:58
mean this ICE stuff is doing a great job for
2:09:00
that because a lot of people are like, hey, we're
2:09:02
moving towards fascism.
2:09:03
Speaker 1: And the perception of the economy. Yeah. The thing with
2:09:06
the ICE stuff, it's like people– voters can have contradictory perspectives.
2:09:10
Like they want to get rid of illegal aliens. But–
2:09:14
Don't force them out. It's like what are you going
2:09:15
to do? Send them a strongly worded letter?
2:09:17
Speaker 2: Well, I think the real problem is they're not willing
2:09:19
to address the fact that these are paid protests and agitators.
2:09:23
Speaker 1: Sure.
2:09:24
Speaker 2: And that these people– this is not an organic thing
2:09:26
where people are taking to the streets. They're literally being paid.
2:09:29
These people have come out and said you get X
2:09:31
amount of money. You get $ 100 a day if it's
2:09:33
cold out. You get more money. One of the things
2:09:35
people were saying that I don't know if it's true
2:09:36
at all was like this might be horseshit. They were
2:09:38
saying they gave them decibel meters to see how loud
2:09:42
they were yelling. Protesters. Really? They were providing protesters with
2:09:47
these decibel meters for them in order to get paid.
2:09:51
They had to be yelling at a certain decibel. I
2:09:53
was like, this sounds like disinformation. Yeah, I feel like
2:09:56
that's like– How much are those things? How much is
2:09:58
a fucking decibel meter? That sounds like very– like a
2:10:01
problem in terms of like cost. Right.
2:10:03
Speaker 1: If I had that, I'd sell it on eBay, right?
2:10:05
Speaker 2: Right.
2:10:05
Speaker 1: If I'm a protester.
2:10:06
Speaker 2: If you have thousands of people and you're providing them
2:10:09
with these decibel meters.
2:10:10
Speaker 1: There would be receipts out the wazoo, I would think.
2:10:11
Speaker 2: Right. Right. Yeah. It sounded like horseshit. But there's a
2:10:14
lot of horseshit out there. There's a lot of people
2:10:17
that they do interviews and they just make up fake
2:10:20
stuff just for clickbait.
2:10:21
Speaker 1: But the thing is there, I think people are– I
2:10:24
agree with you. We're like over ice. But it's like
2:10:26
what's your plan B?
2:10:27
Speaker 2: Right.
2:10:29
Speaker 1: Amnesty? Like if that's your argument, that's fine. But it's
2:10:31
just like it's not a tenable situation. I mean look
2:10:34
what's going on overseas. Right. What are you going to do?
2:10:37
Like right now there's a guy who's running against Farage
2:10:39
from the right of him and it's like you're going
2:10:41
to break up that vote. Like it's called Restore Britain.
2:10:44
Speaker 2: Oh, what is he saying?
2:10:45
Speaker 1: He's saying– he's like Farage is too soft. We're going
2:10:47
to deport them all, blah, blah, blah. It's just like
2:10:51
how– like fine. I understand that's your argument. Literally how
2:10:55
are you going to do that without mass enforcement? I'm
2:10:58
not saying I'm for it or against it. I'm just
2:10:59
saying what is your plan? It's not– it's easy to promise.
2:11:03
If I'm in a country that's awesome, I don't want
2:11:05
to go back to my shithole. I'm going to do
2:11:07
whatever I can legally and sometimes extra-legally. To make sure
2:11:10
I'm staying.
2:11:11
Speaker 2: Especially people over there that have been encouraged to go there.
2:11:14
Speaker 4: Right.
2:11:14
Speaker 2: And then they bend the laws in order to kind
2:11:16
of hide their crimes.
2:11:17
Speaker 3: Right.
2:11:18
Speaker 1: One of the best things that happened to me was
2:11:22
December 31st, 2024. So it was the beginning of 2025.
2:11:25
I was on Twitter and you heard about these grooming
2:11:29
gangs overseas. And even me, who writes a lot about
2:11:32
the nature of evil, was naive because when you hear
2:11:35
the term grooming, I thought, okay, these high school girls
2:11:38
have these You know, boyfriends from different countries and were
2:11:41
like 30 or whatever. And it's gross and whatever. And
2:11:44
then someone posted the receipts of the legal cases. These
2:11:48
were girls, children, 8-year-olds, 10, whatever, being violated and beaten
2:11:53
with baseball bats. They were complaining to police. The police
2:11:56
said everything's fine. Like really graphic stuff. And I'm like
2:12:00
how stupid I was to think grooming meant what anyone
2:12:03
else thinks of grooming. These are rape and torture gangs.
2:12:07
And then Elon saw my tweet and he blew a
2:12:09
gasket and then they kind of talked about it in parliament.
2:12:12
So it was a great way to start 2025. But
2:12:14
like where is it all going? People are upset. But
2:12:18
Kirstein was not in jail. Like things he's in trouble
2:12:21
for aren't stuff like this. The entire Labour Party voted
2:12:23
against further inquiry. It's like some of these guys got
2:12:26
prison sentences but they're not anywhere near proportionate. Why are
2:12:29
they still in the UK?
2:12:31
Speaker 2: I just don't understand it. I just don't understand like
2:12:33
what's the end game there?
2:12:35
Speaker 1: Right.
2:12:36
Speaker 2: Right. Is it the destruction of the UK? Like what's
2:12:40
the end game?
2:12:42
Speaker 1: Well, if that isn't their goal, that's sure where they
2:12:45
are headed toward.
2:12:45
Speaker 2: Right. If you were trying to destroy the UK, that's
2:12:47
how you would do it. Bring in violent migrants. Let
2:12:50
them do violent crimes. Don't prosecute them. Prosecute people for
2:12:54
complaining about it online.
2:12:55
Speaker 1: And don't bring them into your country and kind of
2:12:59
assimilate them.
2:12:59
Speaker 2: Right.
2:13:00
Speaker 1: Like encourage them to not assimilate.
2:13:02
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.
2:13:03
Speaker 1: So I was just there in August. It's bad as
2:13:05
people think it is. It's even worse.
2:13:07
Speaker 2: Really?
2:13:08
Speaker 1: There was a theater a block away from the House
2:13:12
of Parliament, and they were bragging that seeing their shows
2:13:15
are safe. Not fun for the whole family. Not, you know, oh,
2:13:20
this is educational. You're not going to get murdered if
2:13:22
you come see a play here. That really shouldn't be
2:13:25
a selling point when you're going to the movies or theater.
2:13:27
Speaker 2: That's so crazy. Yeah.
2:13:29
Speaker 1: And it's only getting worse now. So it's– I don't–
2:13:34
but here's the other thing. Let's talk about America, right?
2:13:37
If you want to get rid of all these illegal immigrants,
2:13:41
what is your mechanism? Because what Trump is doing is
2:13:44
too much. There's no– the alternative is to make it
2:13:47
difficult for them so they remigrate. But there's plenty of
2:13:50
people who would– I can certainly understand it. I'd rather
2:13:52
be an illegal immigrant in America than go back to
2:13:55
whatever hellhole.
2:13:57
Speaker 2: I found the video of talking about decimeters.
2:13:59
Speaker 3: They were fucking around.
2:14:00
Speaker 1: That was a joke. Okay.
2:14:01
Speaker 3: Grok says they were satirizing.
2:14:05
Speaker 2: Paid protesters with the... The decibel meters. Yeah, the decibel meters.
2:14:11
That sounds ridiculous.
2:14:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, the whole thing was fucking.
2:14:14
Speaker 2: It's a joke.
2:14:16
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:14:17
Speaker 2: That makes sense. Because I was like, there's no way.
2:14:19
There's no way they're giving people decibel meters. But that's
2:14:21
also just clickbait.
2:14:22
Speaker 1: What would you do with the illegal immigrants?
2:14:25
Speaker 2: It's a good question. You know, the real problem is
2:14:29
that they let 10 million people plus in over the
2:14:32
last four years. And that's the thing that no one
2:14:37
wants to address. Like the only reason why there is
2:14:39
this problem is because we had a fucking open border
2:14:42
for four years where they actually encouraged people to come
2:14:44
in and they let in a bunch of violent criminals
2:14:47
and people have been killed. Women have been raped. Children
2:14:50
have been killed. This is, and they want to hide
2:14:53
that data because they don't want to be held responsible
2:14:55
for what they did over the last four years. The
2:14:58
fact that that doesn't get the kind of outrage that
2:15:02
it should, but then an ICE protester shooting a guy
2:15:06
who is armed. Do you know what really is going
2:15:09
on with the gun community about that guy who got–
2:15:12
that Alex Pretty guy? Right. Do you know the story?
2:15:14
Speaker 1: Well, I know that what's-his-name got fired correctly for saying, well,
2:15:18
you shouldn't bring guns to fight the police. And all
2:15:20
the 2A people are like, are you crazy? The whole
2:15:22
point of the 2A is against the police.
2:15:23
Speaker 2: Right. But that guy– so they disarmed him. He was
2:15:28
carrying a SIG P320. SIG P320s are notorious for accidentally discharging.
2:15:35
It appears, at least in videos that I've seen, and
2:15:38
some people seem to verify this, that as one of
2:15:41
the officers pulls the gun from him and walks away
2:15:45
with it, it accidentally discharges. They think this guy has
2:15:50
a gun still because they just pulled a gun from him.
2:15:52
A gun went off. They think they're in a gunfight.
2:15:54
Everything's happening split second. They empty on that guy. The
2:15:57
two guys who killed him, both of them Mexican guys.
2:16:00
Speaker 3: Right.
2:16:00
Speaker 1: Which is crazy. Did you not see them?
2:16:03
Speaker 2: I didn't see. They showed their actual faces? Oh, yeah, yeah.
2:16:05
Speaker 1: It's on my Twitter if you scroll back a few days, Jamie.
2:16:07
They look like I said the village people. It looks
2:16:09
straight at the village people.
2:16:10
Speaker 2: But what's crazy is how many Latinos are in ICE.
2:16:13
Speaker 1: Why is that crazy? Trump got the Latino vote.
2:16:16
Speaker 2: Well, it's not just that. It's a really well-paying job. Sure.
2:16:19
And they give you a big bonus to sign. What
2:16:22
is the bonus when you sign for ICE? I think
2:16:25
it's like a great incentive.
2:16:26
Speaker 1: But here's the other thing.
2:16:27
Speaker 2: It means a lot of money.
2:16:28
Speaker 1: Why that debate drives me crazy. If there's a hospital, right,
2:16:32
and there's a nurse who's killing patients, which happens– that happens.
2:16:35
You have these like black widow situations. No one is
2:16:38
going to say shut down the hospital or stop medicine.
2:16:42
So even if this was a first-degree murder, let's assume
2:16:45
for the sake of argument. That doesn't mean you should
2:16:47
abolish ICE. It just means that guy should go to jail.
2:16:49
One is one thing, I have to do the other.
2:16:50
Speaker 2: Look at this. Signing bonus of up to $ 50, 000. $ 60, 000
2:16:56
in student loan repayment, up to 25% in premium pay.
2:17:01
I don't know what that means.
2:17:02
Speaker 1: Probably overtime, maybe?
2:17:04
Speaker 2: Premium pay?
2:17:05
Speaker 1: 25%?
2:17:05
Speaker 2: What does that mean? I don't know. But either way,
2:17:08
just the $ 50, 000 bonus. How many people are willing to
2:17:11
take that job just for that? And then $ 60, 000 in
2:17:13
student loan repayment? And it's great on your resume. Well,
2:17:17
you get your student loan paid off and you get
2:17:18
a $ 50, 000 bonus. Holy shit.
2:17:21
Speaker 1: Right.
2:17:21
Speaker 2: You can get a lot of people to do that.
2:17:23
Speaker 1: And job security.
2:17:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you can wear a mask.
2:17:25
Speaker 1: It seems like a job like macho guys would enjoy.
2:17:28
For sure.
2:17:28
Speaker 2: And if you're desperate for work and if you can't
2:17:31
find work and then all of a sudden this is
2:17:32
like an answer to all your financial problems, a lot
2:17:35
of people are going to do it. But again, what's
2:17:36
the– You're also like very under-trained. Like they only train
2:17:40
for seven weeks.
2:17:41
Speaker 1: Is that right?
2:17:41
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:17:42
Speaker 1: But what's the answer though? No one has an answer.
2:17:44
Speaker 2: Right. That's a good question. Because, yeah, well, there are
2:17:47
a lot of violent criminals in this country that did
2:17:49
get in over the last four years that do need
2:17:51
to be removed. So what are you going to do?
2:17:52
Speaker 1: But what do you do with the nonviolent ones?
2:17:54
Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing. There was an interesting statistic. I
2:17:58
think I sent it to you, Jamie, where they were
2:18:00
saying only 14 percent of these people that they've arrested
2:18:03
are violent criminals.
2:18:04
Speaker 1: OK.
2:18:05
Speaker 2: But So that's– what they didn't say is that 60
2:18:09
percent of the people that they arrested had criminal history.
2:18:12
And when you say nonviolent, nonviolent meaning what? What about
2:18:16
strong-arm robbery? What about a guy pulls a gun on you?
2:18:19
That's– is that– how are you classifying?
2:18:20
Speaker 1: That's got to be violent.
2:18:21
Speaker 2: I bet it's not if you don't cause violence. No.
2:18:24
Speaker 1: There's no way armed robbery isn't a violent crime.
2:18:28
Speaker 2: If you do not cause violence, I wonder if they're
2:18:30
categorizing it as violence. Like if you do not shoot someone,
2:18:33
stab someone, beat someone, so you're not convicted of a
2:18:36
violent crime. You're convicted of robbery.
2:18:38
Speaker 1: Because they're doing everything in their power to make the
2:18:41
gun violence numbers as high as possible. So if there's
2:18:44
any opportunity where a gun is involved, that will be
2:18:47
counted as gun violence.
2:18:48
Speaker 2: Perhaps, but you could rob people with a knife. You
2:18:51
know what I mean? Does that count? If you pull
2:18:52
a knife on someone and you rob them, is that
2:18:54
considered a violent crime?
2:18:56
Speaker 1: I bet you it is.
2:18:57
Speaker 2: I wonder. But either way, the– The misleading aspect of
2:19:02
the article was that only 40 percent were violent criminals.
2:19:06
But is that OK that the other fucking 46 percent
2:19:10
are breaking into people's houses and robbing cars? And what
2:19:14
about that?
2:19:15
Speaker 1: But what about the 40 percent who just shouldn't be here?
2:19:17
Speaker 2: Right.
2:19:18
Speaker 1: That's the question.
2:19:18
Speaker 3: Right.
2:19:19
Speaker 2: They all shouldn't be there. Right.
2:19:20
Speaker 1: So what are you going to do?
2:19:21
Speaker 2: Right. OK. So here it is. 400,000 ICE arrests in
2:19:24
Trump's first year, about 60% involved individuals with some criminal
2:19:28
charges or convictions. However, only 14% had violent crime records,
2:19:32
including as homicide, 2,100 arrests, sexual assault, 5,400, robbery, 2,700.
2:19:38
So robbery. Nearly 40% lacked any criminal record detained for
2:19:44
civil immigration violations.
2:19:46
Speaker 1: Wait, can we skip ahead? Look, this is what's so shameless.
2:19:49
Arrests for nonviolent issues like DUI. I'm sorry. If you're
2:19:53
doing DUI, you should be deported.
2:19:55
Speaker 2: Right.
2:19:55
Speaker 1: That is a violent crime.
2:19:57
Speaker 2: Well, you definitely cause death. Right. And destruction. Drugs, 22,000. DUI, 30,000.
2:20:04
Outnumber severe violent crimes. But yeah, but those are fucking
2:20:07
bad crimes.
2:20:08
Speaker 1: I don't, I, but I think this kind of is
2:20:10
a distraction from.
2:20:12
Speaker 2: Yes.
2:20:12
Speaker 1: If you have 10 million people and they're all house homemakers,
2:20:15
like let's suppose they're the nicest people ever. Are you
2:20:17
comfortable with them just remaining here? I don't think most
2:20:21
people are.
2:20:22
Speaker 2: No.
2:20:22
Speaker 1: Then what do you do?
2:20:24
Speaker 2: Rand Paul thinks that you should allow them to stay
2:20:27
but not give them citizenship.
2:20:29
Speaker 1: See, if birthright citizenship went away, a lot of this
2:20:31
would be solved.
2:20:33
Speaker 2: Right.
2:20:33
Speaker 1: If like you can't– you're not eligible for welfare.
2:20:35
Speaker 3: Right.
2:20:35
Speaker 1: You're not eligible for Medicaid. You could pay your taxes
2:20:38
and income but you're not getting the benefits. People can
2:20:41
understand that argument maybe.
2:20:43
Speaker 2: Especially if you are illegal and then you come here
2:20:45
specifically to have a baby– And then you could stay too.
2:20:48
That's kind of crazy. That's a crazy law.
2:20:51
Speaker 1: I think we're the only country that has that too.
2:20:53
Speaker 2: Yeah. China definitely doesn't.
2:20:55
Speaker 1: So– well, I mean no one is really banging on
2:20:57
the door for Chinese citizenship to be fair.
2:20:59
Speaker 2: That's true.
2:21:00
Speaker 1: Unless you're from North Korea maybe.
2:21:02
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it's– It is a problem that doesn't
2:21:05
have like a clear-cut solution that would make both sides happy.
2:21:07
That's for damn sure.
2:21:08
Speaker 1: Well, I don't– I think one side is against it
2:21:12
entirely and many republicans don't think it's worth– kind of
2:21:17
overturn our whole society, get these 10 million people out.
2:21:20
So what's going to– I mean if we had 10
2:21:23
million Canadians come to America, that's not going to change
2:21:25
the country. Right. It makes no sense.
2:21:27
Speaker 2: Right. Well, especially 10 million Canadians that could be violent criminals. Well,
2:21:31
if you just have an open door.
2:21:32
Speaker 1: They're not going to be– they're Canadian.
2:21:34
Speaker 2: There's violent Canadians. Sure.
2:21:36
Speaker 1: They're all– they need to be on the TRT.
2:21:39
Speaker 2: Drinking maple syrup.
2:21:40
Speaker 1: Do you know about my Enslaved Canada plan? No.
2:21:44
Speaker 3: OK.
2:21:45
Speaker 1: Sorry. This, this, this is, I want to get the exact,
2:21:48
I have the exact numbers. Hold on here. So there are,
2:21:51
I want to get this exactly right. 41 million Canadians.
2:21:56
Speaker 2: Okay.
2:21:57
Speaker 1: Now let's talk about reparations, right? So if I wreck
2:22:00
your truck and your truck is worth $ 10, 000, I got
2:22:04
to get you a brand new truck or $ 10, 000. That's
2:22:07
reparations is restored. Okay. How can you have reparations for
2:22:10
something as horrific as slavery? A check's not going to
2:22:12
do it because there's no amount of money. Where I
2:22:14
could say, you know what? You own my grandma. It's fine.
2:22:17
Speaker 2: Right?
2:22:18
Speaker 1: 41 million Canadians. They've already demonstrated repeatedly that they don't
2:22:22
want freedom through every action that they've taken. 42 million
2:22:26
African and black Americans. So slavery in the South was
2:22:30
a horrific blot on America's past. So the opposite, slavery
2:22:34
in the North, would be better. So we invade and enslave.
2:22:39
Hashtag Enslave Canada. And every African-American gets one Canadian slave.
2:22:43
And that's reparations. And then you never have to hear
2:22:45
about slavery or racism again.
2:22:47
Speaker 2: What a great idea.
2:22:48
Speaker 1: And the big names can get the big names. So
2:22:50
like Michelle Obama can get Gad Saad, right? Barack Obama
2:22:55
is not African-American. He's African. You don't get one.
2:22:58
Speaker 2: Do you think that's real? The Kenyan thing?
2:23:00
Speaker 1: Well, he was of African descent. His ancestors were never slaves.
2:23:05
So he's not due reparations. In fact, his ancestors owned slaves.
2:23:08
And so did Kamala Harris's. Michelle Obama's ancestors were enslaved.
2:23:12
So she gets Gad.
2:23:13
Speaker 2: Sorry, Gad.
2:23:15
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. I think we should do it. It
2:23:17
would solve Canada. It would solve a racism problem.
2:23:19
Speaker 2: Canada just needs to be free. Yeah. They need a
2:23:22
better government up there. That's right. You know, Trump ruined that.
2:23:26
Speaker 1: When he was.
2:23:27
Speaker 2: Saying they were going to be our 51st state, he
2:23:30
killed the Conservative Party because then everybody sort of united
2:23:33
and said, hey, we've got to stop America from trying
2:23:35
to turn us into the 51st state.
2:23:37
Speaker 1: This Greenland thing. OK. Let's talk about this. OK. Because
2:23:42
I don't know if people know this. In the first
2:23:43
term– Marie Fredrickson, I think, is the prime minister of Denmark.
2:23:48
They were going to have a meeting and Trump's like,
2:23:51
we want Greenland. And she's like, oh, you, you know,
2:23:54
looking forward to meeting you, Mr. President. And on Twitter,
2:23:58
he cancels the meeting and goes, since the prime minister
2:24:01
doesn't know her place, we're going to have to meet
2:24:03
another time. And she's like, what? Like, what are you
2:24:06
talking about? And now they're saying you could have Greenland
2:24:11
to do anything you want. You want to dig for
2:24:13
the minerals? Please bring industry there.
2:24:15
Speaker 2: Nope.
2:24:16
Speaker 1: We need to own Greenland. And they don't know– and
2:24:19
I don't know what to make of his– someone I
2:24:22
saw on social media thinks he must be on the
2:24:24
spectrum because he's so fixated on this thing that no
2:24:27
one who's neurotypical has this kind of fixation. But what
2:24:30
do you make of this whole Greenland thing?
2:24:31
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. Do you know they offered us
2:24:33
Greenland in the 1920s? Right. OK. Yeah. Yeah.
2:24:36
Speaker 1: Was it too much money or something?
2:24:38
Speaker 2: How much was it? How much did they offer us
2:24:40
Greenland for?
2:24:41
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:24:42
Speaker 1: But I don't blame them for being like, what is
2:24:44
going on?
2:24:45
Speaker 2: It is crazy.
2:24:46
Speaker 4: Right.
2:24:47
Speaker 2: So Denmark owns Greenland. Who's closer, Denmark or the United States?
2:24:51
We are closer to Greenland. Then we should have it.
2:24:54
Speaker 1: Shouldn't Canada have it then?
2:24:55
Speaker 2: No, fuck them.
2:24:59
Speaker 1: This is what it must be like in Denmark right
2:25:00
now where they're like, what do we say?
2:25:02
Speaker 2: Okay. Did not offer itself to the United States in
2:25:05
the 1920s. U.S. expressed interest in acquiring or basing in
2:25:08
Greenland during that decade, but no formal offer came from Denmark.
2:25:12
I thought there was negotiation.
2:25:14
Speaker 1: That's what it's saying, yeah.
2:25:15
Speaker 2: Okay.
2:25:15
Speaker 1: A land swap idea.
2:25:17
Speaker 2: Okay. For the U.S. Virgin Islands for $ 25 million. The U.S.
2:25:22
bought the Danish West Indies, now U.S. Virgin Islands, for
2:25:25
$ 25 million. What a deal. But a firm Danish sovereignty
2:25:30
over Greenland, 1920s U.S., Army General Billy Mitchell advocated for
2:25:35
American air bases on Greenland and Iceland to expand air power,
2:25:38
viewing them as strategically vital amid advancing technology. No purchase
2:25:42
or secession offer emerged from Denmark.
2:25:45
Speaker 1: U.S.
2:25:45
Speaker 2: Interests remained internal military advocacy without diplomatic action from Copenhagen.
2:25:51
Speaker 1: We just got to give them a swap. We get Greenland.
2:25:53
You get Puerto Rico.
2:25:55
Speaker 2: So in 1947, go back to that. 1946, President Truman
2:26:02
proposed $ 100 million in gold for Greenland. Rejected by Denmark
2:26:07
amid Cold War tensions, U.S. gained defense rights via 1941
2:26:11
agreement during World War II occupation of Denmark. How interesting
2:26:14
is that? Like we've been interested in Greenland forever. Oh,
2:26:18
it's right there. That's ours. We should take it.
2:26:20
Speaker 3: It's that fast route to Russia.
2:26:23
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because you have those straits on both sides.
2:26:25
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:26:27
Speaker 1: But the thing is they're already saying you could do
2:26:30
whatever you want. Like take a dump on it. We
2:26:33
don't care. Like we're happy to you to exploit it, please.
2:26:36
Speaker 2: That's kind of crazy.
2:26:37
Speaker 1: And he's like, nope, we got to own it. It's like,
2:26:39
but why?
2:26:40
Speaker 2: I guess he got it in his head that he
2:26:43
could make it happen.
2:26:44
Speaker 1: But this is really– like I don't– the thing is
2:26:47
they're getting freaked out in Europe not because he's being
2:26:49
this aggressive I think, not just, but also because it's
2:26:52
like what are we missing? Like you and I, like
2:26:55
what are we missing here?
2:26:56
Speaker 2: Right.
2:26:56
Speaker 1: Like what about Greenland? Would owning it change when you
2:27:00
could do whatever you like, put more bases? We love it.
2:27:03
Speaker 2: I don't know, man.
2:27:05
Speaker 1: You've hung out with him. What's he like? Does he
2:27:08
have a screw loose?
2:27:09
Speaker 2: It's hard to say. I mean, I think anybody who
2:27:12
wants to be president has a screw loose. And anybody
2:27:14
who went through that guy, what that guy did.
2:27:16
Speaker 1: Sure, of course.
2:27:17
Speaker 2: What he went through over the last four years when
2:27:19
Biden was in office, when they were trying to lock
2:27:20
him up.
2:27:21
Speaker 1: What about when he was president, what they went through?
2:27:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Russiagate stuff. Yeah, all that stuff. It's kind
2:27:25
of crazy. You would have to have a little bit
2:27:27
of a screw rules. And now I think he's on
2:27:29
a victory lap for sure. But he also wants to
2:27:31
get a lot of stuff done because he knows he
2:27:33
only has one term, And I think the Greenland thing–
2:27:38
I understand the strategic implications, why you would want that.
2:27:44
But I don't understand why you wouldn't just like accept
2:27:47
a deal where we could have bases there and use
2:27:48
it strategically.
2:27:49
Speaker 1: We have bases there already and we do whatever we want.
2:27:51
Here's the other thing. This is the other one that
2:27:53
I don't understand. We go to Venezuela.
2:27:56
Speaker 2: Venezuela.
2:27:57
Speaker 1: We basically teleport Maduro out. Obviously, there was some kind
2:28:00
of inside information or whatever. Who knows? And then everyone
2:28:03
just stops talking about it.
2:28:05
Speaker 2: I know, right? And it's just like– Well, the news
2:28:06
cycle is crazy right now.
2:28:07
Speaker 1: But what is going on in Venezuela? Did they change
2:28:09
the government? I don't think they did.
2:28:10
Speaker 2: They didn't change the government, but they got rid of
2:28:12
the one guy that was a resistance. And a lot
2:28:16
of people, like Kurt Metzger, thinks that what's going to
2:28:18
happen is during the trial, they're going to reveal that
2:28:22
Maduro was involved in rigging the 2020 election. The American 2020? Yes.
2:28:27
Because there is some sort of a connection with Venezuela
2:28:30
and the 2020 election and the voting machines. Wait.
2:28:34
Speaker 1: OK. I love Kurt. I was one of the people
2:28:36
at his birthday party. When I say I love him,
2:28:40
ironically and non-ironically, I think he's the best.
2:28:43
Speaker 2: I love him too.
2:28:44
Speaker 1: I don't see any route where they would need the
2:28:50
theater of a trial to release this sort of information.
2:28:55
Speaker 2: Right. I agree.
2:28:56
Speaker 1: I agree.
2:28:57
Speaker 2: But I think that having him in America and making
2:29:01
a deal with him, look, bitch, we already kidnapped you.
2:29:03
We killed all your guards.
2:29:04
Speaker 1: I think he's– if I can get– if I could out-Curt-Curt,
2:29:09
I would bet this– I would bet a lot of–
2:29:11
I would not be surprised. I'm not going to bet.
2:29:13
That he's– this is already a deal. That they told
2:29:16
him either you come to jail with us, wink, wink,
2:29:19
or we'll take you out. And he's like, you're not– fine.
2:29:22
I'll retire in America. That would make more sense to me.
2:29:25
Speaker 2: Yeah. They did some wild stuff over there. Like they
2:29:28
used some sound weapon to like incapacitate everybody and they
2:29:31
went and executed them all. Is that all? How much
2:29:33
of that's confirmed? Not a single U.S. soldier was shot. Right.
2:29:37
And everybody was down. Like the people that are talking
2:29:39
about it that were on the ground saying it was crazy.
2:29:41
They shut off all the power. Right. They shut off
2:29:43
all the radar systems. And then all of a sudden
2:29:46
fucking helicopters, drones, everything was there. This sound weapon was used.
2:29:51
Everybody was incapacitated. They came in gunned down. Like how
2:29:54
many people did they kill? I forget how many people
2:29:56
he killed.
2:29:56
Speaker 1: It was like 100, wasn't it?
2:29:57
Speaker 2: He killed a lot of people. But they killed him
2:29:59
with no resistance.
2:30:00
Speaker 1: But I thought it was very clear that we had
2:30:02
some kind of inside information.
2:30:04
Speaker 2: I'm sure we had that as well.
2:30:05
Speaker 4: Yeah.
2:30:05
Speaker 1: Someone on the inside was like working with us in
2:30:07
terms of where he is.
2:30:08
Speaker 2: I'm sure there was that as well. But there was
2:30:10
this narrative. When I saw that.
2:30:11
Speaker 1: Photo of him getting arrested, I thought it was AI
2:30:16
because it looks so crazy and ridiculous. And if I
2:30:18
went a year ago and said Trump is going to
2:30:20
arrest Maduro, I'm like arrest him for what? It's just–
2:30:23
like I don't know what's real anymore. Right.
2:30:25
Speaker 4: There's an article from The Guardian from November 2025.
2:30:31
Speaker 2: Okay. Trump's DOJ investigating unfounded claims. Venezuela helps steal 2020 election.
2:30:38
So how do you know it's unfounded until you investigate?
2:30:40
This is these fuckers.
2:30:42
Speaker 1: The Guardian is pretty bad with that kind of stuff.
2:30:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gross.
2:30:44
Speaker 4: This stuff is where it's interesting because this guy works
2:30:46
for the CIA, I think, and he has a quote
2:30:49
down here where he says he doesn't deal with bullshit.
2:30:51
Speaker 3: So he thinks it's bullshit? I was just trying to
2:30:54
have you read it.
2:30:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, he says I don't dabble in conspiracy theories.
2:30:58
Speaker 2: Sure you don't. You're in the CIA.
2:31:00
Speaker 1: Right.
2:31:00
Speaker 2: We don't dabble. We make them.
2:31:01
Speaker 1: Okay.
2:31:04
Speaker 2: Who knows? This is what Kurt believes. This is not
2:31:07
my theory.
2:31:07
Speaker 1: Keep scrolling down. I want to see what he's saying
2:31:09
that Venezuela did. Yeah.
2:31:12
Speaker 2: What is the accusation?
2:31:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. Keep scrolling down.
2:31:16
Speaker 2: Let's see.
2:31:16
Speaker 1: There's nothing about what they did.
2:31:19
Speaker 2: Well, that would be contributing to the conspiracy theory.
2:31:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess.
2:31:22
Speaker 2: Mr. Malice.
2:31:23
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:31:24
Speaker 2: They don't want to do that in The Guardian. Who knows?
2:31:29
Why would they need– We'll find out. Another awesome chapter
2:31:32
of Game of Thrones.
2:31:33
Speaker 1: I mean I still don't understand. It was– a lot
2:31:39
of people were butthurt correctly that we shouldn't be doing
2:31:42
regime change. But the regime didn't change.
2:31:45
Speaker 3: Right.
2:31:45
Speaker 2: We just got rid of one guy and kidnapped him
2:31:48
and brought him to America.
2:31:49
Speaker 1: But like if you get rid of Trump. Vance becomes president,
2:31:52
you're not changing the government at all.
2:31:53
Speaker 2: Right.
2:31:54
Speaker 1: So, like, what are we doing here? I don't know.
2:31:57
Speaker 4: Here's a discussion in the Journal of Democracy about how
2:32:00
Maduro stole Venezuela's vote.
2:32:02
Speaker 1: That is very widely accepted as real.
2:32:06
Speaker 4: I'm seeing these keywords that are popping out as, like,
2:32:08
the same stuff I'm hearing in our election dispute. Ballot receipts,
2:32:11
people checking voter polls later that evening, people saying that
2:32:17
that's not what I did.
2:32:18
Speaker 2: I don't know.
2:32:20
Speaker 3: It's a lot.
2:32:21
Speaker 2: Right.
2:32:22
Speaker 1: The other question is what's going on with Iran?
2:32:23
Speaker 2: Well, it looks like we're about to go in.
2:32:26
Speaker 1: Are we? Are you sure?
2:32:27
Speaker 2: Well, they're preparing.
2:32:29
Speaker 1: But, I mean, that's always great to shake your fist.
2:32:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, saber rattling.
2:32:34
Speaker 1: So it's like– I feel like all of us are
2:32:40
looking around being like, what's happening?
2:32:41
Speaker 2: What the fuck is going on? Yeah, every day. Every
2:32:44
day is what the fuck is going on. Right. And
2:32:46
you're just trying to live a normal life.
2:32:48
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
2:32:49
Speaker 2: Which is what everybody really wants. But they're preventing you
2:32:51
from doing that with constantly being assaulted by new information
2:32:55
that scares the shit out of you.
2:32:56
Speaker 1: And it's also– there's no context for us to understand this.
2:32:59
Like we understand the Saddam situation, right?
2:33:01
Speaker 2: You go in.
2:33:02
Speaker 1: You conquer a country, kill a lot of people. It's
2:33:04
a nightmare bloodbath that was unnecessary. Saddam gets hanged. We
2:33:07
know that story. Like we're just going to come in,
2:33:10
pull out one guy who's the president and leave. And
2:33:13
his wife. And his wife. And everything will go back.
2:33:15
It's just like– I remember the Democrats were like, what
2:33:18
do we say to this? This has never happened before.
2:33:20
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm just overwhelmed. I think
2:33:24
I share the feeling that most Americans have right now,
2:33:27
which is every day you're like, what the fuck is
2:33:29
going on?
2:33:30
Speaker 1: But I feel like it's escalating.
2:33:32
Speaker 2: Oh, definitely.
2:33:33
Speaker 1: It wasn't this crazy during his first term.
2:33:35
Speaker 2: No, no, no. The world is escalating. Yes. What is this?
2:33:37
Venezuelan oil gets– Get shipped to Israel for the first
2:33:43
time in years.
2:33:44
Speaker 1: Oh, boy.
2:33:44
Speaker 3: It happened last week.
2:33:45
Speaker 4: So I'm just looking up. We assumed control of the country,
2:33:49
I think, in some way.
2:33:50
Speaker 1: Did we? I think we got their oil, right?
2:33:52
Speaker 4: So they found a better way to have people run it,
2:33:54
but I don't know that.
2:33:55
Speaker 2: Well, that was the other thing that Trump said. What
2:33:56
are we going to do with the oil tanker? We're
2:33:58
going to keep it. Yeah.
2:33:59
Speaker 1: It's like, what? How do we get to do this?
2:34:01
Speaker 4: They're sending the oil to Israel.
2:34:08
Speaker 1: So Venezuela is saying it's fake.
2:34:10
Speaker 2: Venezuela plans to send its first shipment of crude oil
2:34:12
to Israel in 17 years, part of opening up the
2:34:15
country's exports following the U.S. abduction of President Nicolas Maduro.
2:34:19
Speaker 3: I did have to go to probably not a great
2:34:21
source in the Middle East.
2:34:22
Speaker 2: I don't know.
2:34:22
Speaker 1: Well, Bloomberg's a rep.
2:34:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the one I couldn't get past the thing.
2:34:27
But it seems like it's the same story.
2:34:29
Speaker 1: Jerusalem Post. Yeah, they're not going to be lying about
2:34:30
this stuff.
2:34:31
Speaker 2: First shipment to Israel.
2:34:33
Speaker 1: Well, I think all they're saying is they've restored relations
2:34:35
between Venezuela and Israel.
2:34:36
Speaker 2: Well, they probably control relations now. It's essentially the U.S.
2:34:40
is probably in control of their oil distribution. I think
2:34:42
that's explicit, isn't it? Yeah. But it's still like– Well,
2:34:45
that was the other thing is bringing in all these companies.
2:34:47
They're all going to do it. But apparently their oil
2:34:49
is like very difficult to acquire. Is that right? Yeah.
2:34:54
Their oil is not like simple like Texas oil, dig
2:34:57
a hole in the ground, pull it out. It's like
2:34:58
it's all– It has to be processed with all these chemicals.
2:35:02
It's apparently like the consistency of asphalt.
2:35:04
Speaker 1: OK.
2:35:05
Speaker 2: And it has to be broken down. It's very expensive.
2:35:09
This is why– was it the CEO of Exxon? One
2:35:13
of the companies said that it would never work.
2:35:16
Speaker 4: Oh.
2:35:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, that the infrastructure is not in place. And then
2:35:19
Trump was upset at him for being a negative Nancy.
2:35:22
Speaker 1: I just– I think any time you start to– did
2:35:26
he really? Whenever you start talking about regime change, that's
2:35:30
something that's very scary.
2:35:31
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:35:31
Speaker 1: Historically.
2:35:32
Speaker 2: And always turns bad.
2:35:34
Speaker 1: Yeah.
2:35:34
Speaker 2: Like Libya and all these other places. Yeah. Iran.
2:35:37
Speaker 1: 1979. Iraq.
2:35:38
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's just like– It's never good. Yeah.
2:35:42
Speaker 1: But then at the same time, we're like, what do
2:35:44
we do? Like what's plan B? Gavin Newsom?
2:35:48
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? What's he going to do?
2:35:49
Speaker 4: Right.
2:35:50
Speaker 1: What's he– right.
2:35:51
Speaker 2: Senior Trump administration officials have vowed to maintain control over
2:35:54
Venezuelan oil exports for an indefinite period. Indefinite is weird
2:35:59
in quotes. Secretary of State Marco Rubio claiming that the
2:36:03
Venezuelan acting government headed by Delce Rodriguez needs to submit
2:36:08
a budget request before accessing the country's oil proceeds.
2:36:11
Speaker 1: Whoa.
2:36:15
Speaker 2: So we just took over Venezuela essentially.
2:36:17
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, we just took over their oil.
2:36:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, but also the country.
2:36:21
Speaker 1: Aren't the people still being oppressed as hell?
2:36:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the government essentially is like we're running that government.
2:36:27
Speaker 1: I don't think we are though.
2:36:28
Speaker 2: We probably tell them what they can and can't do.
2:36:29
Speaker 3: No.
2:36:30
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing that they're still– It's just
2:36:31
the oil.
2:36:32
Speaker 2: Right.
2:36:34
Speaker 1: Can I talk about something fun?
2:36:35
Speaker 2: Yeah.
2:36:36
Speaker 1: I'm finishing a project I've been working on for 25 years.
2:36:40
Speaker 2: Whoa. Yeah.
2:36:41
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to talk to you about it.
2:36:43
Speaker 2: What is it?
2:36:44
Speaker 1: So there was this band from the 80s who were
2:36:48
called Rubber Rodeo that combined punk and country, right? And
2:36:52
I was looking at this compilation that I got in 1994.
2:36:55
I sent Jamie the picture. And I was staring at
2:36:59
this photo trying to make heads or tails of this
2:37:01
band because– can you pull it up? You'll show you
2:37:05
the photo. You'll see what I mean by it. Because
2:37:07
there are a bunch of kids in these kind of
2:37:10
square dancing uniforms with no affect on their face whatsoever.
2:37:15
And the singer, she's in this Dolly Parton wig and
2:37:18
this big square dancing dress and just staring right at
2:37:21
the viewer. I'm like, are they joking? Like, what's up
2:37:24
with these people? And I met them and they were
2:37:27
art school kids. They were not joking.
2:37:29
Speaker 2: They were.
2:37:30
Speaker 1: there it is, that photo. So you see I'm staring.
2:37:32
I'm like, are they kidding? Are they not kidding? Her
2:37:34
name is Trish. And this is from the 80s? This
2:37:37
is from the 80s. They got signed the same day
2:37:40
as Bon Jovi by the same guy. And he said,
2:37:43
I'm taking you both to number one. So I wrote
2:37:46
a screenplay about them because it's kind of like a
2:37:47
Spinal Tap story because they're on stage at punk clubs
2:37:51
doing jokes like, hey, Bob, I'm exhausted. Why are you exhausted, Bob? Oh,
2:37:55
the couple in the next hotel room were up all
2:37:57
night eating candy bars. Candy bars? Yeah, she kept yelling, oh, Henry, oh, Henry. Right?
2:38:02
So it's this complete, like, what are you even doing here?
2:38:07
But the guy who did the keyboards for the band
2:38:12
did the animation for American Splendor. And through him, I
2:38:16
met Harvey Pekar, who later wrote a book about me
2:38:19
in 2006.
2:38:20
Speaker 2: Is he that guy that went nuts on Letterman?
2:38:24
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you know who Harvey is. So Harvey
2:38:27
started the idea.
2:38:28
Speaker 2: He's a comic book guy, right? Right.
2:38:30
Speaker 1: He started the idea of writing autobiographical comics in the 70s.
2:38:34
From off the streets of Cleveland, here comes American Splendor.
2:38:36
It's an ironic title because his life was not exactly
2:38:40
very splendid. He was a file clerk, kind of a
2:38:42
miserable person. He hated being called a curmudgeon. And amazingly,
2:38:47
when the film came out in 2000 and– was it 2000?
2:38:51
Speaker 2: I think it was.
2:38:51
Speaker 1: Something like.
2:38:54
Speaker 2: That.
2:38:55
Speaker 1: 2001. He flew back to New York to do Stern.
2:38:57
And the producer of the film, Ted Hope, sent out
2:39:00
an email that said, Harvey's in town with nothing to do.
2:39:03
If you want to hang out with him, this is
2:39:05
your chance. And I'm the only person who took him
2:39:08
up on it. And I go there and he's on
2:39:10
his bed and he– spoiler alert, he died in 2010
2:39:14
on my birthday, which was not a fun email to get. Anyway,
2:39:17
and he's like– yeah, he's got this really weird way
2:39:20
of talking. He's like, I'm really fucked up, man. And
2:39:23
I point out to him since everything in his life
2:39:25
was a disaster, his movie got a wide release the
2:39:29
weekend of the blackout. There was this big fucking blackout.
2:39:31
He's like, oh, god damn it. And that was the
2:39:35
weekend I had a fish tank. And I'm trying to
2:39:37
keep them alive with no electricity and it did not
2:39:39
work out. So he wrote a book about me and
2:39:43
that screenplay fell by the wayside. But– because it's kind
2:39:47
of like Spinal Tap. It's this kind of funny story
2:39:50
about– you know when you're young and anyone out there
2:39:52
who's listening to this when you're young, go for it.
2:39:55
Be stupid. If you're going to fail, it's OK. It's
2:39:57
still something exciting to try and to do, which they
2:40:00
certainly did. And now I'm like, wait a minute. This
2:40:03
converts to a graphic novel story. very easily. There's a
2:40:06
guy named Eric July who has this whole kind of empire.
2:40:09
He did a Kickstarter. He made like a million for
2:40:11
his first one. It's called the Ripperverse. And now they're
2:40:15
at a point where you don't have to go through
2:40:16
DC or Marvel to produce your product. So I'm super
2:40:21
excited about it. Again, I started this in 2000 and
2:40:25
now it's finally 26 years later coming to fruition. So awesome. Unwantedbook.com.
2:40:30
All right. I'm just really kind of, it's, it's very intense. This,
2:40:34
Because here's the other thing. I was at Gold's and
2:40:37
I had basically what was the opposite of a nervous
2:40:41
breakdown where all the parts of my brain slid into
2:40:43
place where I realized this story I wrote in 2001,
2:40:49
what happens if you do all these things, try to
2:40:50
be original and go nowhere? Like those are my fears
2:40:54
when I was starting out. What if I end up
2:40:56
like them, have nothing to show for it? And 25
2:40:59
years later, that experience has been run. I could pay
2:41:01
my rent as the kind of creative person. And if
2:41:04
they were around today, they could probably pay their rent
2:41:06
because it's much easier as a band to kind of
2:41:09
build an audience. But it's a very funny story, but
2:41:11
it's also a very dark one. And it's largely true.
2:41:14
All right. So I'm just stoked that I get to.
2:41:17
Speaker 2: We'll end it on a happy note. Yeah. Thanks, buddy.
2:41:19
Speaker 1: Thank you.
2:41:20
Speaker 2: Always good to see you.
2:41:21
Speaker 1: Always a pleasure.
2:41:21
Speaker 2: Congratulations on the face paint.
2:41:23
Speaker 1: Wait till you see the next one.
2:41:24
Speaker 2: Oh, no. Bye, everybody. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.