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Theological Reflections on Video Games: Insights from Theology Beer Camp 2024 · Systematic Geekology

• 1:49
  All
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  right,
• 1:49
  cool,
• 1:50
  guys.
• 1:50
  Well,
• 1:50
  welcome
• 1:50
  to
• 1:51
  the
• 1:51
  geek
• 1:51
  stage.
• 1:51
  The
• 1:52
  first
• 1:53
  panel
• 1:53
  we've
• 1:53
  got
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  down
• 1:54
  here,
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  we're
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  at
• 1:56
  St.
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  Andrew
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  Methodist
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  Church.
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  I
• 1:58
  can't.
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  I
• 1:58
  can't
• 1:59
  remember
• 1:59
  the
• 1:59
  name
• 1:59
  of
• 1:59
  the
• 1:59
  location.
• 2:01
  Really
• 2:01
  excited
• 2:01
  that
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  we
• 2:02
  get
• 2:02
  to
• 2:02
  be
• 2:02
  here,
• 2:02
  though.
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  It's
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  a
• 2:03
  huge
• 2:03
  location.
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  Really
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  cool.
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  Not
• 2:05
  my
• 2:05
  first
• 2:05
  time
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  in
• 2:06
  Denver,
• 2:06
  but
• 2:06
  I've
• 2:06
  enjoyed
• 2:07
  it
• 2:07
  so
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  far.
• 2:07
  I'm
• 2:08
  Joshua
• 2:08
  Nolan.
• 2:08
  I'm
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  one
• 2:08
  of
• 2:09
  the
• 2:09
  hosts
• 2:09
  of
• 2:09
  Systematic
• 2:09
  Ecology.
• 2:10
  Will
• 2:10
  was
• 2:10
  just
• 2:10
  telling
• 2:10
  you
• 2:11
  about
• 2:11
  all
• 2:11
  that.
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  Nothing
• 2:13
  really
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  more
• 2:14
  interesting
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  about
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  me,
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  but
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  do
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  have
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  another.
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  Usually
• 2:19
  we
• 2:19
  have
• 2:19
  like
• 2:20
  two
• 2:20
  co
• 2:20
  hosts
• 2:20
  and
• 2:20
  then
• 2:20
  someone
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  we're
• 2:21
  going
• 2:21
  to
• 2:21
  talk
• 2:21
  to.
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  So
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  I
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  have
• 2:23
  Taylor
• 2:23
  Thomas
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  of
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  Tillich
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  Today.
• 2:25
  Awesome
• 2:25
  podcast.
• 2:25
  If
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  you
• 2:26
  haven't
• 2:26
  checked
• 2:26
  that
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  out,
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  be
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  sure
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  you
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  subscribe
• 2:27
  to
• 2:28
  that
• 2:28
  as
• 2:28
  well.
• 2:29
  She
• 2:29
  has
• 2:30
  a
• 2:30
  PhD
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  in
• 2:31
  philosophy
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  at.
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  Is
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  that
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  BU?
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  Yeah,
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  theology
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  and
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  ethics.
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  Theology
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  and
• 2:36
  ethics.
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  Okay,
• 2:37
  cool,
• 2:37
  cool,
• 2:37
  cool.
• 2:38
  Sorry,
• 2:38
  I
• 2:39
  forgot.
• 2:40
  I
• 2:40
  just.
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  I'm
• 2:41
  like,
• 2:41
  I
• 2:41
  like
• 2:41
  your
• 2:41
  podcast.
• 2:42
  I
• 2:43
  am
• 2:43
  a
• 2:44
  nerd.
• 2:44
  But
• 2:44
  I'm
• 2:45
  also
• 2:45
  here.
• 2:45
  Benjamin
• 2:46
  Chika
• 2:46
  is
• 2:47
  our
• 2:47
  keynote
• 2:48
  speaker
• 2:48
  for
• 2:48
  this
• 2:49
  particular
• 2:50
  breakout
• 2:51
  session.
• 2:51
  He
• 2:51
  is
• 2:51
  the
• 2:51
  senior
• 2:52
  lecturer
• 2:52
  of
• 2:52
  philosophy
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  and
• 2:53
  religion
• 2:53
  at
• 2:54
  Curry
• 2:54
  College
• 2:54
  in
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  Milton,
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  Massachusetts,
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  and
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  the
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  author
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  of
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  Playing
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  As
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  Theology
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  and
• 2:59
  Ethical
• 2:59
  Responsibility
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  in
• 3:00
  Video
• 3:01
  Games.
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  He's
• 3:02
  got
• 3:02
  a
• 3:02
  bunch
• 3:02
  of
• 3:03
  other
• 3:03
  books
• 3:03
  he's
• 3:03
  working
• 3:03
  on
• 3:03
  as
• 3:04
  well.
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  Did
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  you
• 3:04
  want
• 3:04
  to
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  talk
• 3:04
  about
• 3:04
  some
• 3:04
  of
• 3:05
  the
• 3:05
  other
• 3:05
  stuff
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  you're
• 3:05
  doing?
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  Sure.
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  So
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  thanks
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  for
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  having
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  me.
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  I'm
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  excited
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  to
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  be
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  here.
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  The
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  flyers
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  that
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  were
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  passed
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  around,
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  they.
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  They
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  have
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  a
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  promo
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  code
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  on
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  them,
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  but
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  it's
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  expired.
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  If
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  you
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  really
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  want
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  to
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  wait
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  until
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  next
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  month,
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  codes
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  for
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  the
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  American
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  Academy
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  of
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  Religion
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  will
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  be
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  coming
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  out.
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  If
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  you
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  email
• 3:25
  me,
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  I'll
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  give
• 3:26
  you
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  a
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  new
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  promo
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  code.
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  Yeah,
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  I.
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  What?
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  I'm
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  working
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  on
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  a
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  follow
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  up
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  to
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  that
• 3:33
  book
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  I'm
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  writing
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  about
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  Paul
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  Tillich
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  and
• 3:35
  artificial
• 3:35
  intelligence
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  right
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  now.
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  So
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  I'm
• 3:37
  thinking
• 3:37
  a
• 3:37
  lot
• 3:37
  about
• 3:38
  technology
• 3:38
  and
• 3:38
  what
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  it
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  means
• 3:39
  for
• 3:39
  theology
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  at
• 3:40
  the
• 3:40
  moment.
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  But
• 3:42
  today
• 3:42
  I'm
• 3:42
  going
• 3:43
  to
• 3:43
  talk
• 3:43
  about
• 3:44
  kind
• 3:44
  of
• 3:44
  the
• 3:44
  motivation
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  behind
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  my
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  book
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  playing
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  as
• 3:47
  others.
• 3:48
  I
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  mean,
• 3:48
  I
• 3:48
  came
• 3:48
  to
• 3:49
  it
• 3:49
  honestly.
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  I'm
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  the
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  average
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  age
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  of
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  a
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  video
• 3:51
  game
• 3:51
  player
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  right
• 3:52
  now.
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  I
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  grew
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  up
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  with
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  the
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  industry.
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  I'm
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  wearing
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  my
• 3:55
  non
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  Binary
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  Space
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  Invader
• 3:57
  shirt,
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  but
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  I
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  was
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  going
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  to
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  wear
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  like
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  an
• 3:59
  Atari
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  2600
• 4:00
  shirt
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  because
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  that
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  was
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  like
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  my
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  earliest
• 4:02
  memory
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  playing
• 4:03
  that
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  with
• 4:03
  my
• 4:03
  dad.
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  When
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  I'm
• 4:06
  writing
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  about
• 4:07
  video
• 4:07
  games,
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  I'm
• 4:08
  doing
• 4:08
  what
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  Paul
• 4:09
  Tillich
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  called
• 4:11
  the
• 4:11
  theology
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  of
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  culture.
• 4:13
  I'm
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  the
• 4:13
  president
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  of
• 4:14
  the
• 4:14
  North
• 4:14
  American
• 4:14
  Paul
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  Tillich
• 4:15
  Society
• 4:15
  this
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  year,
• 4:16
  and
• 4:16
  it's
• 4:16
  reductionistic
• 4:17
  to
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  say
• 4:18
  that
• 4:18
  I'm
• 4:19
  just
• 4:19
  doing
• 4:19
  Paul
• 4:19
  Tillich's
• 4:20
  theology
• 4:20
  of
• 4:20
  culture
• 4:21
  for
• 4:21
  pop
• 4:21
  culture
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  and
• 4:22
  specifically
• 4:22
  video
• 4:23
  games.
• 4:23
  But
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  there
• 4:24
  are
• 4:24
  some
• 4:24
  real
• 4:25
  structural
• 4:26
  similarities.
• 4:29
  So
• 4:29
  one
• 4:29
  way
• 4:30
  to
• 4:30
  think
• 4:30
  about
• 4:30
  what
• 4:30
  we're
• 4:30
  doing
• 4:30
  when
• 4:31
  we
• 4:31
  talk
• 4:31
  about
• 4:31
  God
• 4:32
  and
• 4:32
  talk
• 4:32
  about
• 4:32
  theology
• 4:33
  and
• 4:33
  how
• 4:33
  we
• 4:33
  relate
• 4:33
  to
• 4:33
  what's
• 4:34
  ultimate
• 4:35
  has
• 4:35
  to
• 4:35
  do
• 4:36
  a
• 4:36
  lot
• 4:36
  with
• 4:37
  personal
• 4:37
  ident.
• 4:38
  How
• 4:38
  do
• 4:38
  you
• 4:38
  comport
• 4:38
  yourself
• 4:39
  in
• 4:39
  relation
• 4:39
  to
• 4:40
  what's
• 4:40
  ultimate?
• 4:41
  Societal
• 4:42
  forces
• 4:42
  can
• 4:43
  force
• 4:43
  you
• 4:43
  to
• 4:43
  do
• 4:43
  one
• 4:44
  thing
• 4:44
  and
• 4:44
  try
• 4:44
  to
• 4:44
  force
• 4:45
  you
• 4:45
  to
• 4:45
  do
• 4:45
  another
• 4:45
  thing.
• 4:46
  But
• 4:46
  you
• 4:47
  can
• 4:47
  be
• 4:47
  confident
• 4:47
  in
• 4:48
  who
• 4:48
  you
• 4:48
  are,
• 4:48
  that
• 4:48
  you're,
• 4:49
  say,
• 4:49
  a
• 4:49
  child
• 4:49
  of
• 4:50
  God,
• 4:50
  and
• 4:50
  God
• 4:50
  created
• 4:51
  you
• 4:51
  this
• 4:51
  way
• 4:51
  so
• 4:51
  you
• 4:52
  know
• 4:52
  who
• 4:52
  you
• 4:52
  are.
• 4:53
  Tillich
• 4:54
  was
• 4:54
  already
• 4:55
  suspicious
• 4:55
  of
• 4:57
  supernatural
• 4:58
  talk
• 4:59
  in
• 4:59
  that
• 4:59
  way
• 5:00
  that,
• 5:00
  like
• 5:00
  a
• 5:00
  being
• 5:01
  created
• 5:01
  you
• 5:01
  to
• 5:01
  be
• 5:02
  in
• 5:02
  a
• 5:02
  very
• 5:02
  specific
• 5:03
  fashion.
• 5:04
  Paul
• 5:04
  Tillich
• 5:04
  was
• 5:05
  a
• 5:05
  German
• 5:05
  American
• 5:06
  theologian,
• 5:07
  and
• 5:07
  he
• 5:07
  served
• 5:08
  in
• 5:08
  the
• 5:08
  German
• 5:08
  army
• 5:08
  in
• 5:09
  World
• 5:09
  War
• 5:09
  I.
• 5:10
  And
• 5:10
  he
• 5:12
  left
• 5:12
  Germany
• 5:13
  during
• 5:13
  World
• 5:13
  War
• 5:13
  II
• 5:13
  because
• 5:14
  he
• 5:14
  was
• 5:14
  pretty
• 5:14
  sure
• 5:15
  his
• 5:15
  friends
• 5:15
  convinced
• 5:16
  him
• 5:16
  Hitler
• 5:16
  was
• 5:16
  going
• 5:16
  to
• 5:16
  kill
• 5:16
  him.
• 5:17
  They
• 5:17
  were
• 5:17
  probably
• 5:17
  correct.
• 5:19
  During
• 5:19
  World
• 5:20
  War
• 5:20
  I,
• 5:20
  he
• 5:20
  was
• 5:20
  basically
• 5:21
  grappling
• 5:21
  with
• 5:21
  the
• 5:22
  problem
• 5:22
  of
• 5:22
  evil
• 5:22
  and
• 5:22
  noticing
• 5:23
  that
• 5:23
  for
• 5:23
  a
• 5:24
  loving
• 5:24
  God,
• 5:24
  it
• 5:24
  seems
• 5:25
  like
• 5:25
  my
• 5:25
  prayers,
• 5:26
  as
• 5:26
  he
• 5:26
  put
• 5:26
  it
• 5:26
  in
• 5:26
  his
• 5:26
  journal,
• 5:27
  are
• 5:27
  just
• 5:27
  muttering
• 5:28
  good
• 5:28
  thoughts
• 5:29
  to
• 5:29
  my
• 5:29
  dying
• 5:29
  friends
• 5:29
  as
• 5:30
  I
• 5:30
  pull
• 5:30
  them
• 5:30
  out
• 5:30
  of
• 5:30
  the
• 5:30
  mud.
• 5:31
  So
• 5:31
  it
• 5:31
  sure
• 5:32
  doesn't
• 5:32
  seem
• 5:32
  like
• 5:33
  a
• 5:33
  being
• 5:33
  is
• 5:33
  in
• 5:34
  control
• 5:34
  of
• 5:34
  all
• 5:34
  this
• 5:34
  world.
• 5:35
  So
• 5:35
  he
• 5:35
  was
• 5:36
  already
• 5:36
  messing
• 5:36
  with
• 5:36
  language.
• 5:37
  Like,
• 5:37
  God
• 5:38
  is
• 5:38
  the
• 5:38
  unconditioned
• 5:39
  context
• 5:40
  of
• 5:40
  the
• 5:40
  conditioned
• 5:41
  world.
• 5:41
  So
• 5:41
  everything
• 5:42
  here
• 5:42
  is
• 5:42
  a
• 5:42
  conditioned
• 5:43
  thing.
• 5:43
  We're
• 5:44
  conditioned
• 5:44
  in
• 5:44
  relation
• 5:44
  to
• 5:45
  one
• 5:45
  another,
• 5:45
  but
• 5:45
  God
• 5:45
  is
• 5:46
  unconditioned.
• 5:47
  So
• 5:47
  God
• 5:47
  can't
• 5:48
  be
• 5:48
  things
• 5:48
  like
• 5:49
  our
• 5:49
  attributes,
• 5:50
  like
• 5:50
  conditioned
• 5:51
  things
• 5:51
  are
• 5:51
  beings
• 5:52
  with
• 5:52
  certain
• 5:52
  attributes.
• 5:53
  God
• 5:53
  is
• 5:53
  the
• 5:53
  contrast
• 5:54
  of
• 5:54
  that.
• 5:55
  I
• 5:55
  like
• 5:55
  his
• 5:56
  later
• 5:56
  language.
• 5:56
  He
• 5:56
  would
• 5:57
  later
• 5:57
  talk
• 5:57
  about
• 5:57
  God
• 5:58
  as
• 5:58
  the
• 5:58
  abyss
• 5:58
  of
• 5:58
  being
• 5:59
  or
• 6:00
  the
• 6:00
  ground
• 6:00
  of
• 6:00
  being
• 6:01
  is
• 6:01
  my
• 6:01
  favorite.
• 6:01
  If
• 6:01
  you
• 6:02
  know
• 6:02
  Tillich,
• 6:02
  you
• 6:02
  probably
• 6:02
  know
• 6:02
  the
• 6:03
  ground
• 6:03
  of
• 6:03
  being.
• 6:04
  Untilich
• 6:07
  took
• 6:08
  that
• 6:08
  critique
• 6:08
  of
• 6:09
  kind
• 6:09
  of
• 6:09
  supernatural
• 6:10
  theology
• 6:10
  really,
• 6:10
  really
• 6:11
  seriously
• 6:11
  early
• 6:11
  on.
• 6:12
  But
• 6:12
  World
• 6:12
  War
• 6:12
  II
• 6:12
  just
• 6:12
  cemented
• 6:13
  it.
• 6:13
  If
• 6:14
  you
• 6:14
  know
• 6:14
  anything
• 6:14
  about
• 6:14
  the
• 6:14
  history
• 6:15
  of
• 6:16
  German
• 6:16
  churches
• 6:17
  In
• 6:17
  World
• 6:17
  War
• 6:18
  II,
• 6:18
  Trip
• 6:19
  even
• 6:19
  played
• 6:20
  a
• 6:20
  little
• 6:20
  bit
• 6:21
  last
• 6:21
  night
• 6:22
  in
• 6:22
  his
• 6:22
  Bonhoeffer
• 6:23
  talk.
• 6:23
  That
• 6:24
  was
• 6:24
  like,
• 6:24
  that's
• 6:24
  not
• 6:24
  hyperbole.
• 6:25
  The
• 6:25
  German
• 6:26
  churches
• 6:26
  basically
• 6:27
  stood
• 6:27
  in
• 6:27
  line
• 6:28
  behind
• 6:28
  Hitler
• 6:28
  and
• 6:29
  the
• 6:29
  Third
• 6:29
  Reich.
• 6:29
  And,
• 6:29
  like,
• 6:30
  this
• 6:30
  is
• 6:30
  good.
• 6:30
  This
• 6:31
  is
• 6:31
  true.
• 6:31
  God
• 6:31
  approves
• 6:32
  of
• 6:32
  it.
• 6:32
  You
• 6:32
  know,
• 6:33
  it
• 6:33
  wasn't
• 6:33
  just
• 6:33
  Heidegger
• 6:34
  that
• 6:34
  was
• 6:34
  like,
• 6:34
  I
• 6:34
  approve
• 6:34
  of
• 6:35
  the
• 6:35
  Nazis
• 6:35
  because
• 6:35
  of
• 6:36
  my
• 6:36
  ideas.
• 6:37
  All
• 6:37
  the
• 6:37
  German
• 6:37
  churches
• 6:37
  were
• 6:38
  doing
• 6:38
  it
• 6:38
  too.
• 6:39
  Satilich
• 6:40
  is
• 6:40
  already
• 6:41
  has
• 6:41
  kind
• 6:42
  of
• 6:43
  is
• 6:43
  reaching
• 6:43
  back
• 6:43
  to
• 6:44
  an
• 6:44
  older
• 6:44
  tradition.
• 6:45
  Plato,
• 6:46
  the
• 6:46
  Greeks,
• 6:46
  even
• 6:46
  older
• 6:47
  philosophers
• 6:47
  used
• 6:48
  to
• 6:48
  think
• 6:48
  about
• 6:48
  ultimate
• 6:49
  reality
• 6:49
  and
• 6:49
  name
• 6:49
  it
• 6:50
  God.
• 6:50
  But
• 6:50
  they
• 6:50
  didn't
• 6:50
  mean
• 6:51
  like
• 6:51
  a
• 6:51
  personal
• 6:51
  being.
• 6:52
  That's
• 6:52
  like
• 6:52
  you
• 6:52
  and
• 6:53
  I,
• 6:53
  except
• 6:53
  infinite.
• 6:54
  So
• 6:55
  he's
• 6:55
  reaching
• 6:55
  back
• 6:55
  into
• 6:55
  that
• 6:56
  tradition,
• 6:56
  but
• 6:56
  he's
• 6:56
  simultaneously
• 6:57
  getting
• 6:57
  fed
• 6:57
  up
• 6:58
  with
• 6:58
  churches
• 6:58
  that
• 6:58
  aren't
• 6:58
  actually
• 6:59
  living
• 6:59
  up
• 6:59
  to
• 7:00
  their
• 7:00
  supposed
• 7:00
  ideals
• 7:01
  of,
• 7:01
  like,
• 7:02
  human
• 7:03
  flourishing
• 7:03
  and
• 7:03
  helping
• 7:04
  people,
• 7:04
  like,
• 7:04
  embrace
• 7:05
  who
• 7:05
  they
• 7:05
  are
• 7:06
  and
• 7:06
  accept
• 7:06
  themselves.
• 7:08
  They're
• 7:08
  exactly
• 7:09
  doing
• 7:09
  the
• 7:09
  opposite
• 7:09
  for
• 7:09
  anybody
• 7:10
  that's
• 7:10
  not
• 7:10
  a,
• 7:11
  you
• 7:11
  know,
• 7:11
  white
• 7:11
  German.
• 7:13
  So
• 7:14
  Tillich
• 7:14
  comes
• 7:14
  to.
• 7:15
  So
• 7:15
  he.
• 7:15
  And
• 7:16
  he
• 7:16
  enhances
• 7:16
  his
• 7:17
  kind
• 7:17
  of
• 7:17
  critique
• 7:18
  of
• 7:18
  supernatural
• 7:19
  theology
• 7:19
  at
• 7:19
  the
• 7:19
  time,
• 7:20
  really
• 7:21
  starts
• 7:21
  talking
• 7:22
  about
• 7:22
  the
• 7:22
  ground
• 7:22
  of
• 7:23
  being,
• 7:23
  or
• 7:23
  I
• 7:24
  like,
• 7:24
  the
• 7:24
  abyss
• 7:24
  of
• 7:24
  being.
• 7:25
  Apparently
• 7:25
  he
• 7:26
  loved
• 7:26
  to
• 7:27
  reflect
• 7:28
  on
• 7:28
  bodies
• 7:28
  of
• 7:29
  water.
• 7:30
  So
• 7:30
  they're
• 7:30
  deep,
• 7:30
  dark.
• 7:31
  There's
• 7:31
  something
• 7:32
  meaningful
• 7:32
  there.
• 7:33
  Life
• 7:33
  is
• 7:33
  there,
• 7:34
  but
• 7:34
  it's
• 7:34
  also
• 7:34
  mysterious
• 7:35
  and
• 7:35
  kind
• 7:35
  of
• 7:35
  scary.
• 7:36
  And
• 7:36
  you
• 7:36
  don't
• 7:36
  know
• 7:36
  what's
• 7:37
  there.
• 7:37
  It's
• 7:37
  like
• 7:38
  he
• 7:38
  meant
• 7:38
  the
• 7:39
  ground
• 7:39
  language
• 7:39
  seriously,
• 7:40
  that
• 7:40
  God
• 7:40
  is
• 7:41
  literally
• 7:41
  not
• 7:42
  an
• 7:42
  extra
• 7:43
  entity,
• 7:43
  but
• 7:44
  just
• 7:44
  the
• 7:44
  ground
• 7:44
  of
• 7:44
  your
• 7:45
  being.
• 7:45
  You're
• 7:45
  here.
• 7:46
  You're
• 7:46
  not
• 7:47
  non
• 7:47
  existent.
• 7:47
  We
• 7:47
  don't
• 7:47
  have
• 7:48
  non
• 7:48
  existence.
• 7:48
  We
• 7:49
  have
• 7:49
  being
• 7:49
  forces
• 7:50
  try
• 7:50
  and
• 7:50
  destroy
• 7:50
  us.
• 7:51
  But
• 7:51
  you
• 7:51
  can
• 7:51
  be
• 7:51
  confident
• 7:51
  in
• 7:52
  who
• 7:52
  you
• 7:52
  are
• 7:52
  and
• 7:52
  kind
• 7:52
  of
• 7:53
  move
• 7:53
  forward
• 7:53
  with
• 7:53
  that.
• 7:54
  And
• 7:54
  he
• 7:55
  already,
• 7:56
  when
• 7:56
  in
• 7:56
  Germany,
• 7:56
  he
• 7:57
  had
• 7:57
  this
• 7:57
  speech
• 7:57
  called
• 7:58
  on
• 7:58
  the
• 7:58
  Idea
• 7:58
  of
• 7:59
  a
• 7:59
  Theology
• 7:59
  of
• 7:59
  Culture,
• 8:00
  which
• 8:00
  has
• 8:00
  been
• 8:00
  later
• 8:01
  translated,
• 8:01
  but
• 8:02
  for
• 8:02
  a
• 8:02
  long
• 8:02
  time
• 8:02
  it
• 8:02
  was
• 8:02
  just
• 8:02
  a
• 8:03
  speech.
• 8:03
  And
• 8:04
  then
• 8:04
  he
• 8:04
  eventually
• 8:04
  wrote
• 8:04
  Theology
• 8:05
  of
• 8:05
  Culture.
• 8:06
  And
• 8:07
  he
• 8:07
  basically
• 8:08
  was
• 8:08
  thinking
• 8:08
  about
• 8:10
  the
• 8:10
  way
• 8:10
  that
• 8:10
  you
• 8:11
  could
• 8:12
  say,
• 8:12
  well,
• 8:13
  I'm
• 8:13
  confident
• 8:14
  in
• 8:14
  who
• 8:14
  I
• 8:14
  am
• 8:14
  because
• 8:14
  God
• 8:15
  created
• 8:15
  me
• 8:15
  and
• 8:15
  I
• 8:16
  feel
• 8:16
  accepted.
• 8:17
  He's
• 8:17
  not
• 8:18
  thinking
• 8:18
  of
• 8:18
  a
• 8:18
  supernatural
• 8:19
  God
• 8:19
  anymore,
• 8:20
  but
• 8:20
  he's
• 8:20
  thinking
• 8:20
  about
• 8:20
  how
• 8:21
  culture
• 8:21
  can
• 8:21
  basically
• 8:22
  do
• 8:23
  this.
• 8:24
  One
• 8:24
  of
• 8:24
  his
• 8:24
  famous
• 8:25
  phrases
• 8:25
  is,
• 8:26
  religion
• 8:27
  is
• 8:27
  the
• 8:27
  form.
• 8:27
  Religion
• 8:28
  is
• 8:28
  the
• 8:28
  substance
• 8:28
  of
• 8:29
  culture,
• 8:29
  and
• 8:29
  culture
• 8:29
  is
• 8:30
  the
• 8:30
  form
• 8:30
  of
• 8:30
  religion.
• 8:31
  And
• 8:31
  he
• 8:32
  got
• 8:32
  engaged
• 8:33
  in
• 8:33
  the
• 8:33
  New
• 8:33
  York
• 8:33
  City
• 8:33
  art
• 8:34
  scene
• 8:35
  in
• 8:35
  the
• 8:36
  expressionistic
• 8:36
  and
• 8:36
  impressionistic
• 8:37
  paintings.
• 8:38
  And
• 8:38
  he
• 8:38
  saw
• 8:39
  gay
• 8:40
  people,
• 8:40
  Jews,
• 8:41
  everybody
• 8:41
  who
• 8:42
  was
• 8:42
  persecuted
• 8:42
  in
• 8:42
  the
• 8:42
  Holocaust
• 8:43
  and
• 8:43
  killed
• 8:44
  being
• 8:44
  accepted.
• 8:45
  And
• 8:45
  he
• 8:45
  says,
• 8:46
  we're
• 8:46
  doing
• 8:46
  theology.
• 8:48
  People's
• 8:48
  autonomy
• 8:49
  is
• 8:49
  being
• 8:49
  affirmed
• 8:50
  and
• 8:50
  they
• 8:51
  are
• 8:51
  who
• 8:51
  they
• 8:51
  are.
• 8:51
  And
• 8:51
  it's
• 8:52
  like
• 8:52
  flourishing
• 8:53
  rather
• 8:53
  than
• 8:53
  being
• 8:54
  kind
• 8:54
  of
• 8:54
  forced
• 8:55
  into
• 8:55
  a
• 8:55
  mold
• 8:55
  and
• 8:55
  only
• 8:56
  accepted
• 8:56
  if
• 8:56
  it
• 8:57
  meshes
• 8:57
  with
• 8:57
  that
• 8:58
  one
• 8:58
  mold.
• 9:00
  And
• 9:00
  he
• 9:00
  also
• 9:01
  his,
• 9:02
  his.
• 9:04
  Maybe
• 9:05
  one
• 9:05
  of
• 9:05
  his
• 9:05
  bigger
• 9:05
  twists
• 9:06
  of
• 9:06
  a
• 9:06
  phrase,
• 9:06
  he
• 9:07
  talked
• 9:07
  about
• 9:07
  heteronomy,
• 9:08
  which,
• 9:08
  if
• 9:08
  you
• 9:08
  take
• 9:09
  it
• 9:09
  literally,
• 9:09
  means
• 9:09
  like,
• 9:10
  divine
• 9:10
  rule.
• 9:10
  So
• 9:11
  in,
• 9:11
  like,
• 9:12
  political
• 9:12
  theology,
• 9:13
  let's
• 9:13
  kind
• 9:14
  of
• 9:14
  make
• 9:14
  everybody
• 9:14
  follow,
• 9:15
  like
• 9:15
  our,
• 9:15
  like
• 9:16
  whatever
• 9:16
  we
• 9:16
  think
• 9:16
  God's
• 9:16
  rules
• 9:17
  are.
• 9:17
  It
• 9:18
  actually
• 9:18
  more
• 9:19
  abstractly
• 9:19
  or
• 9:19
  generally
• 9:20
  means
• 9:20
  like
• 9:21
  everybody
• 9:21
  together.
• 9:22
  So
• 9:22
  we
• 9:22
  could
• 9:22
  all
• 9:22
  be
• 9:23
  like,
• 9:23
  all
• 9:23
  our
• 9:24
  divisions
• 9:25
  go
• 9:25
  away
• 9:25
  in
• 9:25
  heaven
• 9:26
  and
• 9:26
  we're
• 9:26
  all
• 9:26
  like
• 9:26
  one
• 9:27
  in
• 9:27
  Spirit,
• 9:27
  when
• 9:28
  we're
• 9:28
  all
• 9:28
  with
• 9:28
  God
• 9:28
  in
• 9:28
  heave,
• 9:29
  Tillich
• 9:30
  doesn't
• 9:30
  mean
• 9:30
  that
• 9:30
  obviously
• 9:31
  he's
• 9:31
  reacting
• 9:32
  and
• 9:32
  rejecting
• 9:32
  supernatural
• 9:33
  theology.
• 9:34
  But
• 9:34
  if,
• 9:34
  like,
• 9:35
  God
• 9:35
  is
• 9:35
  the
• 9:35
  ground
• 9:35
  of
• 9:36
  your
• 9:36
  being
• 9:36
  right
• 9:36
  here,
• 9:36
  right
• 9:37
  now,
• 9:37
  God
• 9:37
  is
• 9:37
  also
• 9:38
  the
• 9:38
  ground
• 9:38
  of
• 9:38
  like,
• 9:39
  my
• 9:39
  being,
• 9:39
  your
• 9:39
  being,
• 9:40
  everybody
• 9:40
  else's
• 9:40
  being.
• 9:41
  And
• 9:42
  there
• 9:42
  could
• 9:42
  be
• 9:42
  like
• 9:42
  an
• 9:42
  aha
• 9:43
  moment
• 9:44
  where,
• 9:44
  well,
• 9:44
  if
• 9:44
  like,
• 9:45
  I
• 9:45
  have
• 9:45
  the
• 9:45
  courage
• 9:46
  to
• 9:46
  be
• 9:46
  myself,
• 9:47
  even
• 9:47
  though
• 9:47
  society,
• 9:48
  like
• 9:48
  might
• 9:49
  reject
• 9:49
  me,
• 9:50
  like
• 9:50
  I
• 9:51
  have
• 9:51
  some
• 9:51
  individual
• 9:52
  courage,
• 9:52
  a
• 9:52
  light
• 9:52
  bulb
• 9:53
  could
• 9:53
  go
• 9:53
  off
• 9:53
  and
• 9:53
  say,
• 9:54
  like,
• 9:54
  oh,
• 9:54
  that's
• 9:54
  the
• 9:54
  case
• 9:55
  for
• 9:55
  everybody
• 9:55
  else
• 9:55
  too.
• 9:56
  And
• 9:57
  he
• 9:58
  thought
• 9:59
  saw
• 9:59
  theonomy
• 10:00
  as
• 10:00
  a.
• 10:01
  If
• 10:01
  a
• 10:01
  culture
• 10:01
  does
• 10:02
  it,
• 10:02
  it's
• 10:02
  basically
• 10:03
  religion.
• 10:03
  We're
• 10:04
  talking
• 10:04
  about
• 10:04
  its
• 10:04
  manifesting
• 10:05
  theology.
• 10:06
  It's
• 10:06
  getting
• 10:07
  over
• 10:07
  conflicts
• 10:07
  between
• 10:08
  heteronomous
• 10:08
  forces.
• 10:09
  So
• 10:10
  you
• 10:10
  have
• 10:10
  to
• 10:10
  be
• 10:11
  homogeneous,
• 10:11
  heterogeneous,
• 10:12
  just
• 10:12
  like
• 10:12
  us.
• 10:13
  So
• 10:13
  the
• 10:13
  German
• 10:14
  church
• 10:14
  is
• 10:14
  saying,
• 10:15
  only
• 10:15
  like
• 10:15
  us
• 10:16
  or
• 10:16
  we're
• 10:17
  going
• 10:17
  to
• 10:17
  reject
• 10:17
  you.
• 10:19
  Autonomous
• 10:19
  reactions
• 10:20
  of
• 10:20
  individuals
• 10:21
  kind
• 10:21
  of
• 10:21
  confidently
• 10:22
  knowing
• 10:22
  who
• 10:22
  they
• 10:22
  are
• 10:22
  and
• 10:23
  rejecting
• 10:23
  that.
• 10:24
  But
• 10:24
  Tillich
• 10:25
  was
• 10:25
  kind
• 10:26
  of.
• 10:27
  He
• 10:27
  saw
• 10:27
  that
• 10:27
  as
• 10:28
  unfortunate
• 10:29
  because
• 10:29
  it
• 10:29
  should
• 10:29
  be
• 10:30
  possible
• 10:30
  to
• 10:30
  be
• 10:31
  who
• 10:31
  you
• 10:31
  are
• 10:31
  and
• 10:31
  live
• 10:32
  deeply
• 10:32
  in
• 10:32
  a
• 10:32
  community
• 10:33
  which
• 10:34
  autonomous
• 10:34
  reactions
• 10:35
  to
• 10:35
  heteronomous
• 10:36
  forces.
• 10:37
  So
• 10:37
  forces
• 10:37
  of
• 10:38
  domination,
• 10:38
  you
• 10:38
  can
• 10:39
  only.
• 10:39
  We're
• 10:39
  only
• 10:39
  going
• 10:39
  to
• 10:39
  accept
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  if
• 10:40
  you
• 10:40
  be
• 10:40
  like
• 10:40
  this.
• 10:41
  Autonomous
• 10:42
  reactions
• 10:42
  are
• 10:43
  like,
• 10:43
  great.
• 10:43
  But
• 10:44
  he
• 10:44
  also
• 10:44
  sometimes
• 10:44
  called
• 10:45
  theonomy
• 10:45
  autonomy
• 10:46
  united
• 10:46
  with
• 10:47
  his
• 10:47
  own,
• 10:47
  its
• 10:47
  own
• 10:47
  depth,
• 10:48
  which
• 10:49
  is
• 10:49
  you're
• 10:49
  actually
• 10:49
  living
• 10:49
  deeply
• 10:50
  in
• 10:50
  a
• 10:50
  community
• 10:51
  with
• 10:51
  others
• 10:52
  now
• 10:52
  instead
• 10:52
  of
• 10:52
  in
• 10:53
  isolation.
• 10:54
  And
• 10:55
  the
• 10:55
  long
• 10:55
  and
• 10:55
  short
• 10:56
  of
• 10:56
  it
• 10:56
  is
• 10:56
  I
• 10:56
  see
• 10:56
  this
• 10:57
  happening
• 10:57
  in
• 10:58
  video
• 10:58
  games.
• 10:59
  Like
• 10:59
  video
• 10:59
  game
• 11:00
  communities
• 11:00
  are
• 11:02
  theological
• 11:03
  and
• 11:03
  kind
• 11:03
  of
• 11:04
  functioning
• 11:04
  as
• 11:04
  religious
• 11:05
  communities
• 11:05
  in
• 11:05
  the
• 11:06
  same
• 11:06
  way
• 11:06
  that
• 11:06
  Tillich
• 11:06
  thought
• 11:07
  artistic
• 11:08
  communities
• 11:09
  were
• 11:09
  basically
• 11:09
  doing
• 11:10
  theological
• 11:11
  work.
• 11:12
  So
• 11:12
  let
• 11:12
  me
• 11:12
  give
• 11:13
  you
• 11:13
  some
• 11:13
  examples.
• 11:13
  So
• 11:14
  that
• 11:14
  was
• 11:14
  nothing
• 11:14
  about
• 11:14
  video
• 11:15
  games.
• 11:15
  And
• 11:15
  this
• 11:15
  talk
• 11:15
  is
• 11:15
  supposed
• 11:16
  to
• 11:16
  be
• 11:16
  about
• 11:16
  video
• 11:16
  games.
• 11:18
  Has
• 11:19
  anybody
• 11:19
  played
• 11:19
  the
• 11:19
  game
• 11:19
  Gone
• 11:20
  Home
• 11:20
  or
• 11:20
  know
• 11:21
  what
• 11:21
  it
• 11:21
  is?
• 11:22
  So
• 11:23
  Gone
• 11:23
  Home
• 11:23
  was
• 11:24
  one
• 11:24
  of
• 11:24
  the
• 11:24
  first
• 11:24
  games
• 11:24
  they
• 11:25
  derisively
• 11:26
  threw
• 11:26
  the
• 11:26
  term
• 11:26
  walking
• 11:27
  simulator
• 11:27
  at.
• 11:28
  So
• 11:28
  this
• 11:28
  is
• 11:28
  not
• 11:28
  a
• 11:28
  video
• 11:29
  game.
• 11:29
  This
• 11:29
  is
• 11:29
  a
• 11:29
  walking
• 11:30
  simulator.
• 11:30
  You're
• 11:30
  just
• 11:30
  walking
• 11:31
  around
• 11:31
  a
• 11:31
  house,
• 11:31
  picking
• 11:31
  up
• 11:32
  objects
• 11:32
  and
• 11:33
  listening
• 11:33
  to
• 11:33
  audio
• 11:34
  logs.
• 11:34
  So
• 11:34
  this
• 11:34
  is,
• 11:34
  you
• 11:35
  know,
• 11:35
  this
• 11:35
  is
• 11:35
  not.
• 11:35
  We're
• 11:35
  not
• 11:36
  shooting
• 11:36
  people.
• 11:36
  This
• 11:36
  is
• 11:36
  not
• 11:36
  a
• 11:37
  video
• 11:37
  game.
• 11:37
  What
• 11:37
  are
• 11:37
  we
• 11:37
  doing
• 11:37
  here?
• 11:39
  Gone
• 11:40
  Home
• 11:40
  tells
• 11:40
  a
• 11:40
  story
• 11:41
  of
• 11:41
  realizing
• 11:42
  your
• 11:43
  character
• 11:44
  in
• 11:44
  the
• 11:44
  game.
• 11:44
  Your
• 11:45
  sister
• 11:45
  fell
• 11:46
  in
• 11:46
  love
• 11:46
  with
• 11:46
  another
• 11:46
  girl
• 11:46
  in
• 11:47
  high
• 11:47
  school
• 11:47
  in
• 11:47
  the
• 11:47
  highs
• 11:48
  and
• 11:48
  lows
• 11:48
  of
• 11:48
  coming
• 11:49
  out.
• 11:49
  And
• 11:50
  the
• 11:50
  game
• 11:50
  actually
• 11:51
  changed
• 11:52
  some
• 11:52
  conservative
• 11:52
  Christians
• 11:53
  views
• 11:53
  on
• 11:53
  same
• 11:54
  sex
• 11:54
  marriage.
• 11:54
  It
• 11:54
  came
• 11:54
  out
• 11:54
  in
• 11:55
  2014
• 11:56
  from
• 11:56
  being
• 11:56
  against
• 11:56
  it
• 11:56
  to
• 11:57
  being
• 11:57
  for
• 11:57
  it.
• 11:58
  So
• 11:59
  we
• 11:59
  have.
• 12:00
  I
• 12:01
  also
• 12:01
  know
• 12:02
  from.
• 12:02
  So
• 12:02
  there's
• 12:03
  Been
• 12:03
  reporting
• 12:03
  on
• 12:03
  that.
• 12:03
  I
• 12:04
  also
• 12:04
  know
• 12:04
  I
• 12:04
  speak
• 12:05
  more
• 12:05
  at
• 12:05
  video
• 12:05
  game
• 12:06
  conventions
• 12:06
  and
• 12:07
  video
• 12:07
  game
• 12:08
  developer
• 12:08
  conferences
• 12:08
  than
• 12:09
  I
• 12:09
  do
• 12:09
  to
• 12:09
  fellow
• 12:09
  academics
• 12:10
  nowadays.
• 12:11
  And
• 12:12
  every
• 12:12
  time
• 12:12
  I
• 12:12
  give
• 12:12
  a
• 12:12
  talk,
• 12:13
  like,
• 12:13
  literally
• 12:14
  after
• 12:14
  every
• 12:14
  single
• 12:14
  one,
• 12:14
  some
• 12:15
  LGBTQ
• 12:16
  individual
• 12:17
  comes
• 12:17
  up
• 12:17
  to
• 12:17
  me
• 12:17
  and
• 12:18
  is
• 12:18
  like,
• 12:18
  you
• 12:18
  gave
• 12:18
  me
• 12:18
  language
• 12:19
  for
• 12:19
  what
• 12:19
  happens
• 12:19
  to
• 12:19
  me.
• 12:19
  Like,
• 12:20
  this
• 12:20
  is
• 12:20
  deeply,
• 12:21
  like,
• 12:21
  moving
• 12:21
  me,
• 12:21
  these
• 12:22
  video
• 12:22
  games.
• 12:23
  So
• 12:23
  picture
• 12:24
  somebody
• 12:24
  who
• 12:25
  maybe
• 12:25
  can't
• 12:25
  come
• 12:26
  out
• 12:26
  because
• 12:26
  it's
• 12:26
  physically
• 12:27
  dangerous
• 12:28
  for
• 12:28
  them.
• 12:28
  Like,
• 12:28
  literally
• 12:29
  they
• 12:29
  could
• 12:29
  get
• 12:29
  killed
• 12:29
  in
• 12:30
  parts
• 12:30
  of
• 12:30
  the
• 12:30
  world
• 12:30
  still,
• 12:31
  like,
• 12:32
  that
• 12:32
  video
• 12:32
  game
• 12:33
  is
• 12:33
  more
• 12:33
  real
• 12:34
  than
• 12:34
  reality
• 12:34
  for
• 12:35
  them
• 12:35
  in
• 12:35
  some
• 12:35
  ways.
• 12:35
  Like,
• 12:36
  they're
• 12:36
  actually
• 12:36
  themselves
• 12:36
  now.
• 12:37
  Like,
• 12:37
  that's
• 12:38
  autonomy
• 12:38
  united
• 12:38
  with
• 12:39
  his
• 12:39
  own
• 12:39
  depth.
• 12:39
  And
• 12:39
  for
• 12:39
  Till,
• 12:40
  like,
• 12:40
  that's
• 12:40
  theology.
• 12:42
  It's
• 12:42
  also
• 12:42
  changing
• 12:43
  the
• 12:43
  way
• 12:43
  people
• 12:43
  behave.
• 12:44
  So
• 12:44
  it's
• 12:44
  driving
• 12:44
  us
• 12:45
  toward
• 12:45
  theonomy.
• 12:46
  When
• 12:46
  people
• 12:46
  who
• 12:46
  are
• 12:47
  rejecting
• 12:47
  people
• 12:47
  just
• 12:48
  for
• 12:48
  who
• 12:48
  they
• 12:48
  are
• 12:49
  just
• 12:49
  because
• 12:49
  they're
• 12:49
  different,
• 12:50
  all
• 12:50
  of
• 12:50
  a
• 12:50
  sudden
• 12:51
  widen
• 12:51
  the
• 12:51
  circle
• 12:52
  and
• 12:52
  embrace
• 12:53
  them.
• 12:53
  That's
• 12:54
  forming
• 12:54
  a
• 12:54
  theonomous
• 12:55
  culture
• 12:55
  where
• 12:56
  everybody
• 12:56
  is
• 12:56
  finally
• 12:56
  being
• 12:57
  accepted
• 12:57
  and
• 12:57
  we're
• 12:57
  getting
• 12:57
  over
• 12:58
  divisions.
• 13:00
  It
• 13:00
  was
• 13:00
  big
• 13:01
  during
• 13:01
  the
• 13:01
  pandemic.
• 13:02
  People
• 13:02
  got
• 13:03
  Nintendo
• 13:03
  Switch
• 13:04
  owners.
• 13:05
  Did
• 13:05
  you
• 13:05
  play
• 13:06
  Animal
• 13:06
  Crossing
• 13:06
  New
• 13:07
  Horizons
• 13:07
  during
• 13:07
  the
• 13:08
  pandemic?
• 13:10
  During
• 13:10
  the
• 13:11
  pandemic,
• 13:11
  Nintendo
• 13:12
  put
• 13:12
  some
• 13:12
  of
• 13:13
  the
• 13:13
  worst
• 13:13
  stay
• 13:13
  at
• 13:13
  home
• 13:14
  orders.
• 13:14
  Like,
• 13:14
  really,
• 13:14
  really,
• 13:15
  no.
• 13:15
  We're
• 13:15
  going
• 13:15
  to
• 13:15
  stay
• 13:16
  at
• 13:16
  home
• 13:16
  and
• 13:16
  enforce.
• 13:16
  It
• 13:17
  was
• 13:18
  during
• 13:18
  Easter
• 13:18
  and
• 13:19
  Ramadan.
• 13:20
  Nintendo
• 13:20
  put
• 13:21
  some
• 13:21
  Christian
• 13:22
  objects
• 13:23
  in
• 13:23
  the
• 13:23
  game
• 13:24
  and
• 13:24
  some
• 13:24
  churches
• 13:25
  actually
• 13:25
  made
• 13:25
  little
• 13:26
  altars
• 13:26
  and
• 13:26
  they
• 13:27
  had
• 13:27
  Easter
• 13:27
  services
• 13:28
  in
• 13:28
  Animal
• 13:29
  Crossing.
• 13:30
  So
• 13:30
  they
• 13:30
  met
• 13:30
  virtually
• 13:31
  and
• 13:32
  they
• 13:32
  shared
• 13:32
  a
• 13:32
  virtual
• 13:33
  space
• 13:33
  as
• 13:33
  opposed
• 13:34
  to
• 13:34
  being
• 13:34
  separated
• 13:35
  in
• 13:35
  zoom
• 13:35
  blocks.
• 13:36
  So
• 13:37
  it's
• 13:37
  still
• 13:37
  virtual,
• 13:37
  but
• 13:37
  it's
• 13:38
  actually
• 13:38
  a
• 13:38
  shared
• 13:38
  virtual
• 13:39
  space
• 13:39
  versus
• 13:39
  separated
• 13:40
  zooms.
• 13:42
  They
• 13:42
  didn't
• 13:42
  do
• 13:42
  anything,
• 13:43
  as
• 13:43
  always
• 13:43
  is
• 13:43
  the
• 13:43
  case,
• 13:43
  of
• 13:44
  course,
• 13:44
  they
• 13:44
  didn't
• 13:44
  do
• 13:44
  anything
• 13:44
  for
• 13:45
  non
• 13:45
  Christian
• 13:45
  religions.
• 13:46
  So
• 13:46
  Rami
• 13:47
  Ismail,
• 13:47
  this
• 13:47
  independent
• 13:48
  game
• 13:48
  developer,
• 13:49
  says,
• 13:49
  well,
• 13:49
  I
• 13:50
  have
• 13:50
  some
• 13:50
  know
• 13:50
  how,
• 13:50
  so
• 13:51
  I
• 13:51
  will
• 13:51
  make
• 13:51
  some
• 13:51
  objects
• 13:52
  in
• 13:52
  the
• 13:52
  game
• 13:52
  and
• 13:52
  edit
• 13:52
  them.
• 13:52
  And
• 13:53
  he
• 13:53
  made.
• 13:53
  He
• 13:54
  said,
• 13:54
  this
• 13:54
  reminds
• 13:55
  me
• 13:55
  of
• 13:55
  my
• 13:55
  childhood
• 13:56
  where
• 13:57
  I
• 13:57
  broke
• 13:57
  the
• 13:57
  fast
• 13:58
  during
• 13:58
  Ramadan
• 13:59
  and
• 13:59
  he
• 13:59
  made
• 13:59
  it
• 14:00
  kind
• 14:00
  of
• 14:00
  inter
• 14:01
  religious
• 14:01
  comparative
• 14:01
  theology
• 14:02
  event.
• 14:02
  He
• 14:02
  had
• 14:02
  a
• 14:02
  big
• 14:03
  Twitter
• 14:03
  following.
• 14:04
  It's
• 14:05
  always
• 14:05
  Twitter,
• 14:05
  not
• 14:05
  X
• 14:06
  for
• 14:06
  as
• 14:06
  long
• 14:06
  as
• 14:07
  that
• 14:07
  website
• 14:07
  exists.
• 14:10
  He
• 14:10
  tweeted
• 14:11
  out,
• 14:12
  you
• 14:12
  know,
• 14:12
  come
• 14:12
  break
• 14:12
  fast
• 14:13
  with
• 14:13
  me
• 14:13
  and
• 14:13
  if
• 14:13
  you're
• 14:13
  not
• 14:13
  Muslim,
• 14:14
  come
• 14:14
  and
• 14:14
  tell
• 14:14
  us,
• 14:15
  like,
• 14:15
  ask
• 14:15
  us
• 14:15
  why
• 14:16
  we're
• 14:16
  doing
• 14:16
  this.
• 14:16
  Have
• 14:16
  a
• 14:16
  chat.
• 14:17
  And
• 14:17
  people
• 14:18
  came
• 14:19
  and
• 14:19
  they
• 14:19
  interviewed
• 14:20
  some
• 14:20
  people
• 14:20
  afterward.
• 14:21
  And
• 14:21
  think
• 14:21
  about
• 14:22
  a
• 14:22
  Muslim
• 14:23
  in
• 14:23
  middle
• 14:23
  of
• 14:24
  nowhere
• 14:24
  America
• 14:25
  that
• 14:25
  probably
• 14:26
  has
• 14:26
  no
• 14:26
  mosque
• 14:26
  nearby,
• 14:27
  or
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  student
• 14:28
  who's
• 14:28
  a
• 14:28
  Muslim
• 14:29
  at
• 14:29
  a
• 14:29
  small
• 14:29
  school.
• 14:29
  And
• 14:30
  all
• 14:30
  those
• 14:30
  schools
• 14:31
  tend
• 14:31
  to
• 14:31
  have
• 14:31
  pretty
• 14:32
  poor
• 14:32
  services.
• 14:32
  For
• 14:32
  non
• 14:33
  Christian
• 14:33
  students,
• 14:33
  like
• 14:34
  poor
• 14:34
  activities
• 14:35
  available,
• 14:36
  that
• 14:36
  shared
• 14:37
  space
• 14:37
  in
• 14:37
  a
• 14:37
  video
• 14:37
  game
• 14:38
  was
• 14:39
  more
• 14:39
  real
• 14:39
  and
• 14:40
  theologically
• 14:40
  meaningful
• 14:41
  than
• 14:42
  their
• 14:42
  real
• 14:43
  life
• 14:43
  condition
• 14:44
  in
• 14:44
  some
• 14:44
  ways.
• 14:46
  So
• 14:46
  it's
• 14:47
  not
• 14:47
  like
• 14:48
  it's
• 14:48
  not
• 14:48
  the
• 14:48
  content
• 14:49
  of
• 14:49
  games
• 14:49
  exactly.
• 14:50
  Like,
• 14:50
  hey,
• 14:50
  look,
• 14:50
  there's
• 14:51
  something
• 14:51
  religious
• 14:51
  happening
• 14:51
  in
• 14:52
  a
• 14:52
  game.
• 14:52
  Just
• 14:52
  like
• 14:52
  Tillich
• 14:53
  was
• 14:53
  just
• 14:53
  looking
• 14:53
  at
• 14:53
  expressionist
• 14:54
  and
• 14:54
  impressionistic
• 14:55
  paintings.
• 14:56
  I've
• 14:57
  been
• 14:57
  talking
• 14:57
  with
• 14:57
  people
• 14:58
  playing
• 14:58
  these
• 14:59
  games.
• 14:59
  It's
• 15:00
  like,
• 15:00
  this
• 15:00
  is
• 15:00
  theology
• 15:01
  happening
• 15:01
  in
• 15:01
  games.
• 15:02
  People's
• 15:02
  lives
• 15:03
  being
• 15:03
  affirmed,
• 15:03
  changing
• 15:04
  their
• 15:04
  behavior
• 15:05
  toward
• 15:05
  each
• 15:05
  other,
• 15:06
  and
• 15:06
  they're
• 15:06
  living
• 15:06
  deeply
• 15:07
  in
• 15:07
  a
• 15:08
  community
• 15:08
  as
• 15:08
  opposed
• 15:09
  to
• 15:09
  being
• 15:09
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• 15:10
  I
• 15:10
  mean,
• 15:10
  the
• 15:10
  examples
• 15:11
  can
• 15:11
  go
• 15:11
  on
• 15:11
  and
• 15:12
  on.
• 15:13
  Tillich
• 15:14
  was
• 15:14
  a
• 15:14
  religious
• 15:15
  pluralist
• 15:15
  late
• 15:15
  in
• 15:15
  his
• 15:15
  life.
• 15:16
  I
• 15:16
  obviously
• 15:16
  am
• 15:17
  too.
• 15:17
  So
• 15:17
  the
• 15:17
  fact
• 15:17
  that
• 15:17
  they
• 15:18
  can
• 15:18
  kind
• 15:18
  of
• 15:19
  cross
• 15:20
  those
• 15:20
  borders
• 15:20
  and
• 15:21
  we
• 15:21
  can
• 15:21
  talk
• 15:22
  about
• 15:22
  Muslim
• 15:22
  examples
• 15:23
  and
• 15:23
  the
• 15:24
  gone
• 15:24
  home
• 15:24
  Christian
• 15:25
  example,
• 15:27
  this
• 15:27
  is
• 15:27
  what
• 15:27
  it
• 15:27
  means
• 15:27
  for
• 15:28
  a
• 15:28
  culture
• 15:29
  to
• 15:30
  be
• 15:30
  theological.
• 15:31
  So
• 15:31
  theology
• 15:32
  of
• 15:32
  culture,
• 15:33
  you're
• 15:33
  just
• 15:33
  looking
• 15:34
  at
• 15:34
  something
• 15:34
  that
• 15:34
  just
• 15:34
  looks
• 15:34
  like
• 15:35
  video
• 15:35
  games,
• 15:35
  but
• 15:35
  it's
• 15:35
  theological
• 15:36
  if
• 15:36
  you
• 15:36
  have
• 15:36
  the
• 15:36
  right
• 15:36
  lens.
• 15:37
  I
• 15:37
  was
• 15:37
  going
• 15:38
  to
• 15:38
  see
• 15:38
  if
• 15:38
  I
• 15:38
  could
• 15:38
  get
• 15:38
  one
• 15:39
  example
• 15:39
  from
• 15:39
  you
• 15:39
  that
• 15:40
  you
• 15:40
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• 15:40
  in.
• 15:41
  I
• 15:41
  don't
• 15:41
  remember
• 15:41
  which
• 15:41
  one.
• 15:41
  I
• 15:42
  read
• 15:42
  a
• 15:42
  bunch
• 15:42
  of
• 15:42
  articles
• 15:42
  all
• 15:43
  at
• 15:43
  once.
• 15:44
  But
• 15:44
  you
• 15:44
  talk
• 15:45
  about
• 15:45
  the
• 15:45
  example
• 15:46
  of
• 15:46
  how
• 15:47
  affirming
• 15:47
  spaces
• 15:47
  were
• 15:48
  created
• 15:48
  for
• 15:48
  people
• 15:48
  in
• 15:48
  the
• 15:48
  LGBTQ
• 15:50
  community.
• 15:51
  And
• 15:51
  like
• 15:52
  Mass
• 15:52
  Effect,
• 15:52
  specifically
• 15:53
  your
• 15:53
  MMO
• 15:53
  games,
• 15:54
  you
• 15:54
  know,
• 15:54
  Skyrim,
• 15:54
  that
• 15:55
  kind
• 15:55
  of
• 15:55
  stuff
• 15:55
  where
• 15:56
  you
• 15:56
  kind
• 15:56
  of
• 15:56
  have
• 15:56
  that
• 15:56
  ability
• 15:57
  to
• 15:57
  kind
• 15:57
  of
• 15:57
  have
• 15:57
  some
• 15:57
  gender
• 15:58
  fluidity
• 15:58
  in
• 15:59
  your
• 15:59
  choices.
• 15:59
  Could
• 16:00
  you
• 16:00
  maybe
• 16:00
  expand
• 16:00
  on
• 16:01
  some
• 16:01
  of
• 16:01
  what
• 16:01
  you
• 16:01
  were
• 16:01
  talking
• 16:01
  about
• 16:01
  with
• 16:02
  that?
• 16:03
  Sure.
• 16:05
  Did
• 16:05
  anybody
• 16:06
  play
• 16:06
  the
• 16:06
  Mass
• 16:06
  Effect
• 16:06
  games?
• 16:08
  Which
• 16:08
  version
• 16:09
  of
• 16:09
  Shep
• 16:09
  did
• 16:09
  you
• 16:10
  play
• 16:10
  as
• 16:11
  genuinely
• 16:12
  curious
• 16:13
  Commander
• 16:14
  Shepard?
• 16:15
  So
• 16:16
  within
• 16:16
  the.
• 16:17
  Within
• 16:17
  the
• 16:17
  fan
• 16:17
  base,
• 16:18
  like,
• 16:18
  by
• 16:18
  and
• 16:18
  large,
• 16:19
  so
• 16:19
  it
• 16:19
  was
• 16:19
  like
• 16:19
  you
• 16:19
  could
• 16:20
  be
• 16:20
  male
• 16:20
  shepherd
• 16:20
  or
• 16:20
  female
• 16:21
  shepherd.
• 16:21
  Fem
• 16:22
  Shep
• 16:22
  kind
• 16:22
  of
• 16:23
  became
• 16:23
  the
• 16:23
  canonical.
• 16:23
  Everybody's
• 16:24
  shepherd.
• 16:26
  Like,
• 16:26
  Fem
• 16:27
  Shep
• 16:27
  was
• 16:27
  the
• 16:27
  real.
• 16:27
  They
• 16:28
  liked
• 16:28
  the
• 16:28
  voice
• 16:28
  acting
• 16:28
  more
• 16:29
  basically,
• 16:30
  but
• 16:30
  it's
• 16:30
  not
• 16:31
  so
• 16:31
  it's
• 16:31
  not
• 16:31
  just
• 16:33
  in
• 16:34
  game
• 16:34
  changes.
• 16:35
  So
• 16:36
  somebody
• 16:36
  who's
• 16:36
  marginalized,
• 16:37
  like,
• 16:38
  finds
• 16:38
  their
• 16:38
  life
• 16:38
  affirmed
• 16:39
  for
• 16:39
  the
• 16:39
  first
• 16:39
  time.
• 16:40
  Tillich
• 16:41
  gave
• 16:41
  great
• 16:42
  sermons.
• 16:42
  It's
• 16:43
  very
• 16:43
  funny
• 16:43
  Ground
• 16:44
  of
• 16:44
  Being
• 16:44
  theologians.
• 16:45
  This
• 16:45
  includes
• 16:46
  some
• 16:46
  people
• 16:46
  that
• 16:46
  were
• 16:48
  mentors
• 16:48
  of
• 16:48
  Taylor
• 16:49
  and
• 16:49
  I.
• 16:49
  They
• 16:50
  have
• 16:50
  these
• 16:50
  very,
• 16:50
  very
• 16:51
  abstract.
• 16:52
  And
• 16:52
  if
• 16:52
  you're
• 16:52
  only
• 16:52
  familiar
• 16:53
  with
• 16:53
  supernatural
• 16:54
  theology,
• 16:54
  maybe
• 16:54
  hard
• 16:55
  to
• 16:55
  grasp
• 16:56
  concepts
• 16:56
  of
• 16:56
  what
• 16:56
  God
• 16:57
  and
• 16:57
  ultimate
• 16:57
  reality
• 16:58
  is.
• 16:58
  But
• 16:58
  they
• 16:58
  give
• 16:58
  great
• 16:58
  sermons
• 16:59
  and
• 16:59
  they
• 17:00
  have
• 17:00
  fun
• 17:00
  titles
• 17:00
  like
• 17:01
  Tillich's.
• 17:02
  Some
• 17:02
  of
• 17:02
  his
• 17:02
  sermons
• 17:02
  were
• 17:02
  the
• 17:03
  courage
• 17:03
  to
• 17:03
  be
• 17:04
  and
• 17:04
  accept
• 17:04
  that
• 17:05
  you're
• 17:05
  accepted.
• 17:06
  He
• 17:06
  took
• 17:06
  that
• 17:06
  right
• 17:06
  from
• 17:06
  Lutheran,
• 17:07
  and
• 17:08
  he
• 17:08
  meant
• 17:08
  it
• 17:08
  pretty
• 17:08
  literally.
• 17:09
  Like
• 17:09
  you
• 17:09
  can
• 17:10
  accept
• 17:10
  that
• 17:10
  you're
• 17:10
  accepted
• 17:11
  in
• 17:11
  the
• 17:11
  game
• 17:11
  just
• 17:12
  for
• 17:12
  no
• 17:12
  other
• 17:12
  reason
• 17:13
  than
• 17:13
  you're
• 17:13
  accepted
• 17:13
  because
• 17:14
  the
• 17:14
  ground
• 17:14
  of
• 17:14
  your
• 17:14
  being
• 17:14
  is
• 17:15
  with
• 17:15
  you
• 17:15
  always.
• 17:16
  You
• 17:16
  don't
• 17:16
  know
• 17:16
  how
• 17:16
  it's
• 17:16
  going
• 17:17
  to
• 17:17
  manifest,
• 17:17
  but
• 17:17
  it
• 17:17
  could
• 17:17
  happen
• 17:18
  through
• 17:18
  a
• 17:18
  game,
• 17:18
  it
• 17:18
  could
• 17:18
  happen
• 17:19
  through
• 17:19
  art.
• 17:20
  And
• 17:20
  then
• 17:20
  the
• 17:20
  communities
• 17:21
  changed
• 17:21
  too.
• 17:21
  So
• 17:22
  Fem
• 17:22
  Shep
• 17:22
  became
• 17:23
  the
• 17:23
  real
• 17:23
  Shep.
• 17:24
  Video
• 17:24
  game
• 17:25
  conventions
• 17:25
  started
• 17:26
  changing
• 17:26
  so
• 17:27
  there's
• 17:27
  now
• 17:27
  safe
• 17:27
  spaces
• 17:28
  for
• 17:28
  LGBTQ
• 17:29
  folks
• 17:30
  at
• 17:30
  say
• 17:31
  I'm
• 17:31
  in
• 17:31
  the
• 17:32
  Boston
• 17:32
  area.
• 17:32
  Pax
• 17:33
  east
• 17:33
  is
• 17:33
  a
• 17:33
  huge
• 17:33
  video
• 17:34
  game
• 17:34
  convention
• 17:35
  attended
• 17:36
  by
• 17:36
  now.
• 17:37
  It's
• 17:37
  four
• 17:37
  days
• 17:37
  long
• 17:37
  and
• 17:37
  it's
• 17:38
  probably
• 17:38
  over
• 17:38
  125,000
• 17:39
  people.
• 17:41
  I've
• 17:41
  given
• 17:41
  talks
• 17:42
  there
• 17:42
  and
• 17:42
  like
• 17:43
  600,
• 17:43
  700
• 17:44
  people
• 17:44
  show
• 17:45
  up
• 17:45
  to
• 17:45
  it.
• 17:45
  So
• 17:46
  it's
• 17:46
  not
• 17:46
  just
• 17:47
  people
• 17:47
  who
• 17:47
  are
• 17:48
  interested
• 17:48
  in
• 17:48
  theology
• 17:49
  already
• 17:49
  and
• 17:50
  I
• 17:50
  don't
• 17:50
  use
• 17:50
  some
• 17:50
  of
• 17:50
  these
• 17:51
  terms
• 17:51
  at
• 17:51
  a
• 17:51
  Pax
• 17:52
  east
• 17:52
  talk.
• 17:53
  But
• 17:53
  like
• 17:54
  it's
• 17:54
  happening.
• 17:54
  So
• 17:54
  like
• 17:55
  people,
• 17:55
  it's
• 17:55
  actually
• 17:55
  happening
• 17:56
  in
• 17:56
  their
• 17:56
  lives
• 17:56
  and
• 17:57
  they
• 17:57
  just
• 17:57
  need
• 17:57
  some
• 17:57
  language
• 17:58
  to
• 18:00
  like,
• 18:01
  oh,
• 18:01
  like
• 18:01
  I
• 18:01
  needed
• 18:01
  the
• 18:01
  language
• 18:02
  to
• 18:02
  really,
• 18:02
  really
• 18:02
  express
• 18:03
  how
• 18:03
  it's
• 18:03
  happening.
• 18:04
  So
• 18:04
  Pax
• 18:04
  east
• 18:04
  has
• 18:05
  become
• 18:05
  more
• 18:05
  welcoming
• 18:06
  as
• 18:07
  the
• 18:07
  industry
• 18:07
  has
• 18:09
  fractured
• 18:09
  a
• 18:09
  little
• 18:10
  bit.
• 18:10
  All
• 18:10
  the
• 18:10
  big
• 18:10
  websites
• 18:11
  of,
• 18:12
  you
• 18:12
  know,
• 18:12
  it's
• 18:13
  a
• 18:13
  big
• 18:13
  problem,
• 18:13
  it's,
• 18:14
  you
• 18:14
  know,
• 18:14
  late
• 18:14
  stage
• 18:14
  capitalism.
• 18:15
  Everybody
• 18:15
  is
• 18:15
  cutting
• 18:16
  jobs.
• 18:17
  But
• 18:17
  the
• 18:17
  personality,
• 18:18
  you
• 18:19
  know,
• 18:19
  based
• 18:20
  coverage
• 18:21
  that's
• 18:21
  happened
• 18:21
  since
• 18:21
  everybody's
• 18:22
  got
• 18:22
  a
• 18:22
  Patreon,
• 18:23
  they're
• 18:24
  all
• 18:24
  very
• 18:25
  deliberate
• 18:25
  and
• 18:26
  like
• 18:26
  our
• 18:26
  community
• 18:26
  is
• 18:27
  inclusive.
• 18:27
  Like
• 18:28
  we're
• 18:28
  going
• 18:28
  to
• 18:28
  kick
• 18:28
  you
• 18:28
  out
• 18:28
  and
• 18:29
  like
• 18:29
  it
• 18:29
  doesn't
• 18:29
  matter
• 18:29
  if
• 18:30
  you're
• 18:30
  paying
• 18:30
  for
• 18:30
  the
• 18:30
  Patreon,
• 18:31
  like
• 18:31
  we
• 18:31
  can
• 18:31
  remove
• 18:31
  your
• 18:32
  don't
• 18:32
  just
• 18:32
  get
• 18:33
  to
• 18:33
  pay
• 18:33
  and
• 18:33
  do
• 18:33
  whatever
• 18:34
  around,
• 18:35
  especially
• 18:36
  trans
• 18:37
  issues.
• 18:37
  So
• 18:37
  Gamergate
• 18:38
  is
• 18:38
  still
• 18:39
  like
• 18:39
  the
• 18:39
  mentality
• 18:40
  about
• 18:40
  does
• 18:40
  Gamergate
• 18:41
  ring
• 18:41
  a
• 18:41
  bell
• 18:41
  for
• 18:42
  anybody?
• 18:43
  So
• 18:43
  just
• 18:43
  like
• 18:43
  misogynistic,
• 18:44
  homophobic,
• 18:45
  just
• 18:45
  treating
• 18:45
  people
• 18:46
  terribly
• 18:46
  just
• 18:46
  because
• 18:46
  they're
• 18:47
  different
• 18:47
  than
• 18:47
  straight
• 18:48
  white
• 18:48
  male.
• 18:49
  Some
• 18:49
  of
• 18:49
  that
• 18:49
  mentality
• 18:50
  is
• 18:50
  still
• 18:50
  out
• 18:50
  there,
• 18:50
  especially
• 18:51
  around
• 18:51
  trans
• 18:51
  gamers.
• 18:52
  But
• 18:52
  all
• 18:52
  the
• 18:53
  big
• 18:53
  personality
• 18:54
  based
• 18:54
  coverage
• 18:54
  very
• 18:54
  much
• 18:55
  is
• 18:56
  communities
• 18:57
  that
• 18:57
  are
• 18:57
  accepting.
• 18:58
  So
• 18:59
  the
• 18:59
  hate
• 18:59
  is
• 19:00
  actually
• 19:00
  somewhat
• 19:00
  being
• 19:01
  pushed
• 19:01
  to
• 19:01
  the
• 19:01
  margins
• 19:02
  is
• 19:02
  an
• 19:02
  inverse
• 19:02
  of
• 19:03
  what
• 19:03
  it
• 19:03
  used
• 19:03
  to
• 19:03
  be.
• 19:03
  So
• 19:03
  I'm
• 19:04
  really,
• 19:04
  it's
• 19:05
  not
• 19:05
  perfect.
• 19:06
  Tillich
• 19:07
  talks
• 19:07
  about
• 19:08
  times
• 19:08
  of
• 19:09
  Kairos,
• 19:09
  which
• 19:10
  is
• 19:10
  the
• 19:10
  right
• 19:10
  time,
• 19:10
  but
• 19:11
  it's
• 19:11
  always
• 19:11
  ambiguous
• 19:12
  because
• 19:13
  the
• 19:13
  ground
• 19:14
  of,
• 19:14
  the
• 19:14
  ground
• 19:14
  of
• 19:15
  being
• 19:15
  is
• 19:15
  everywhere.
• 19:15
  So
• 19:15
  we
• 19:16
  can
• 19:16
  kind
• 19:16
  of
• 19:16
  be
• 19:16
  opaque
• 19:17
  to
• 19:17
  it
• 19:17
  and
• 19:17
  cover
• 19:18
  it
• 19:18
  up
• 19:18
  or
• 19:18
  be
• 19:18
  transparent
• 19:19
  to
• 19:19
  it.
• 19:20
  So
• 19:20
  we
• 19:20
  can
• 19:20
  make
• 19:20
  hurtful
• 19:21
  or
• 19:22
  like
• 19:23
  life
• 19:23
  giving
• 19:23
  cultures.
• 19:24
  So
• 19:24
  we
• 19:25
  don't
• 19:25
  know
• 19:25
  what's
• 19:25
  gonna
• 19:25
  happen
• 19:25
  in
• 19:25
  the
• 19:26
  given
• 19:26
  moment.
• 19:26
  Like
• 19:26
  there's
• 19:26
  bad
• 19:27
  elements
• 19:27
  still
• 19:27
  in
• 19:28
  video
• 19:28
  games
• 19:29
  but
• 19:29
  the
• 19:29
  good
• 19:29
  forces
• 19:30
  could
• 19:31
  overcome.
• 19:32
  So
• 19:32
  it's
• 19:32
  not
• 19:32
  like
• 19:34
  video
• 19:34
  games
• 19:34
  are
• 19:34
  gonna
• 19:35
  save
• 19:35
  us
• 19:35
  and
• 19:35
  make
• 19:35
  heaven
• 19:36
  on
• 19:36
  earth.
• 19:36
  That's
• 19:37
  not
• 19:37
  what
• 19:37
  theonomy
• 19:38
  means.
• 19:39
  It's
• 19:39
  ambiguous,
• 19:40
  and
• 19:40
  it
• 19:40
  takes
• 19:41
  our
• 19:41
  participation
• 19:42
  to,
• 19:42
  like,
• 19:42
  drive
• 19:43
  it.
• 19:43
  And
• 19:43
  even
• 19:44
  if
• 19:44
  bad
• 19:44
  things
• 19:44
  happen,
• 19:45
  that's
• 19:45
  like
• 19:45
  a
• 19:45
  key
• 19:45
  that
• 19:46
  something
• 19:46
  is.
• 19:47
  It's
• 19:47
  perverting
• 19:48
  some
• 19:48
  meaning.
• 19:49
  It
• 19:49
  knows
• 19:49
  there's
• 19:50
  something
• 19:50
  meaningful
• 19:50
  there,
• 19:51
  and
• 19:51
  they're
• 19:51
  trying
• 19:51
  to
• 19:51
  restrict
• 19:52
  it.
• 19:53
  But
• 19:53
  now
• 19:53
  it's
• 19:54
  out
• 19:54
  in
• 19:54
  the
• 19:54
  open
• 19:54
  and
• 19:54
  we
• 19:55
  talk
• 19:55
  about
• 19:55
  it.
• 19:55
  So
• 19:55
  it's
• 19:55
  actually,
• 19:56
  I'm
• 19:56
  kind
• 19:56
  of
• 19:56
  pleased
• 19:56
  that
• 19:57
  some
• 19:57
  Gamergate
• 19:57
  voices
• 19:58
  are
• 19:58
  still
• 19:58
  out
• 19:58
  there
• 19:58
  because
• 19:58
  they're
• 19:58
  not
• 19:59
  hiding
• 19:59
  anymore,
• 19:59
  and
• 20:00
  the
• 20:00
  industry
• 20:00
  is
• 20:00
  actively
• 20:01
  trying
• 20:01
  to
• 20:01
  push
• 20:02
  back
• 20:02
  against
• 20:02
  them.
• 20:03
  So
• 20:03
  it
• 20:03
  is
• 20:04
  not
• 20:04
  just
• 20:04
  the
• 20:04
  games
• 20:04
  itself,
• 20:05
  it's
• 20:05
  communities
• 20:05
  as
• 20:05
  well.
• 20:07
  Yeah,
• 20:07
  for
• 20:07
  sure.
• 20:08
  Did
• 20:08
  you.
• 20:08
  Do
• 20:08
  you
• 20:09
  have
• 20:09
  anything
• 20:09
  to
• 20:10
  look
• 20:10
  specifically
• 20:10
  you
• 20:10
  wanted
• 20:10
  to
• 20:11
  ask?
• 20:11
  I
• 20:11
  know
• 20:11
  you
• 20:11
  were.
• 20:12
  I
• 20:12
  mean,
• 20:13
  I
• 20:13
  do
• 20:13
  have
• 20:13
  a
• 20:14
  question
• 20:14
  for
• 20:14
  Ben
• 20:14
  that
• 20:15
  I
• 20:15
  think
• 20:15
  draws
• 20:16
  on
• 20:17
  his
• 20:17
  book,
• 20:17
  and
• 20:17
  it's
• 20:18
  very
• 20:18
  irrelevant
• 20:18
  here.
• 20:19
  It's.
• 20:20
  It's
• 20:20
  not
• 20:20
  necessarily
• 20:21
  Tillich
• 20:21
  specific,
• 20:22
  but
• 20:22
  I
• 20:22
  guess
• 20:22
  it
• 20:22
  is
• 20:23
  specific
• 20:23
  in
• 20:23
  terms
• 20:24
  of,
• 20:24
  like,
• 20:24
  what
• 20:24
  Tillich
• 20:25
  thinks
• 20:26
  a
• 20:26
  theology
• 20:26
  of
• 20:27
  culture
• 20:27
  can
• 20:27
  actually
• 20:27
  do.
• 20:28
  So
• 20:28
  I.
• 20:29
  I
• 20:29
  would
• 20:29
  like
• 20:29
  it
• 20:29
  if
• 20:30
  you
• 20:30
  might
• 20:30
  elaborate
• 20:31
  a
• 20:31
  bit
• 20:31
  further
• 20:32
  on.
• 20:32
  Like,
• 20:32
  you
• 20:32
  know,
• 20:32
  you've
• 20:32
  talked
• 20:33
  about
• 20:33
  the
• 20:33
  experience
• 20:33
  of
• 20:34
  playing
• 20:34
  as
• 20:34
  someone
• 20:34
  you
• 20:34
  feel
• 20:35
  represented
• 20:35
  by
• 20:36
  in
• 20:36
  the
• 20:36
  game,
• 20:36
  but
• 20:36
  your
• 20:36
  book
• 20:37
  is
• 20:37
  called
• 20:37
  Playing
• 20:37
  as
• 20:38
  Other.
• 20:38
  Right.
• 20:39
  So
• 20:39
  what
• 20:39
  does
• 20:39
  that
• 20:40
  difference
• 20:40
  do
• 20:40
  for
• 20:41
  you?
• 20:41
  Like,
• 20:41
  and
• 20:42
  how
• 20:42
  is
• 20:42
  that?
• 20:42
  How
• 20:42
  are
• 20:42
  you
• 20:42
  working
• 20:43
  to
• 20:43
  look
• 20:43
  into
• 20:44
  that?
• 20:46
  So
• 20:46
  it's
• 20:47
  not
• 20:47
  just
• 20:47
  Tillich.
• 20:48
  I
• 20:48
  guess
• 20:48
  I'm
• 20:48
  in
• 20:48
  atillic
• 20:49
  mode,
• 20:49
  since
• 20:49
  I'm,
• 20:50
  like
• 20:50
  I
• 20:50
  said,
• 20:50
  I'm
• 20:50
  president
• 20:51
  of
• 20:51
  the
• 20:51
  Tilich
• 20:51
  Society
• 20:52
  this
• 20:52
  year.
• 20:52
  So
• 20:53
  there's
• 20:53
  some
• 20:53
  unconscious
• 20:54
  aspect
• 20:55
  of
• 20:55
  me
• 20:55
  that's
• 20:55
  like
• 20:55
  I'm
• 20:55
  on
• 20:56
  a
• 20:56
  Tillich
• 20:56
  promotion
• 20:56
  tour
• 20:57
  or
• 20:57
  something.
• 20:58
  But
• 21:00
  Emmanuel
• 21:01
  Levinas
• 21:01
  is
• 21:01
  the
• 21:01
  other
• 21:02
  pillar
• 21:02
  of
• 21:02
  the
• 21:02
  book.
• 21:03
  And
• 21:04
  one
• 21:04
  of
• 21:05
  the
• 21:05
  things
• 21:05
  I'm
• 21:05
  proudest
• 21:05
  of
• 21:05
  in
• 21:06
  the
• 21:06
  book
• 21:06
  is
• 21:07
  that
• 21:07
  if
• 21:08
  you
• 21:08
  buy
• 21:09
  stereotypical
• 21:10
  academic
• 21:11
  divisions
• 21:12
  of
• 21:12
  schools
• 21:12
  of
• 21:13
  thought,
• 21:13
  Levinas
• 21:14
  is
• 21:14
  like
• 21:14
  the
• 21:14
  start
• 21:15
  of
• 21:15
  postmodern
• 21:15
  thinking.
• 21:16
  And
• 21:16
  Tilik
• 21:17
  is
• 21:17
  like,
• 21:17
  a
• 21:17
  epitome
• 21:18
  of,
• 21:18
  like,
• 21:19
  modern
• 21:19
  thinking.
• 21:20
  So
• 21:20
  obviously
• 21:20
  they
• 21:20
  disagree
• 21:21
  on
• 21:21
  everything
• 21:21
  and
• 21:21
  have
• 21:22
  nothing
• 21:22
  to
• 21:22
  do
• 21:22
  with
• 21:22
  one
• 21:22
  another.
• 21:23
  But
• 21:24
  you'll
• 21:24
  find
• 21:24
  in
• 21:25
  Tillich,
• 21:25
  now,
• 21:26
  he
• 21:26
  doesn't
• 21:26
  dwell
• 21:26
  on
• 21:26
  it
• 21:27
  and
• 21:27
  write
• 21:27
  books
• 21:27
  and
• 21:28
  books
• 21:28
  and
• 21:28
  books
• 21:28
  about
• 21:28
  it,
• 21:28
  like
• 21:28
  Levinas
• 21:29
  does.
• 21:29
  But
• 21:29
  you'll
• 21:30
  find
• 21:30
  until,
• 21:30
  like,
• 21:31
  the
• 21:31
  inviability
• 21:32
  of
• 21:32
  the
• 21:33
  other
• 21:33
  and
• 21:33
  the
• 21:34
  thing
• 21:34
  that
• 21:34
  you
• 21:34
  cannot
• 21:35
  cross
• 21:35
  and
• 21:36
  is
• 21:36
  the.
• 21:36
  Like,
• 21:37
  you
• 21:37
  can
• 21:37
  try,
• 21:37
  but
• 21:37
  you
• 21:38
  can
• 21:38
  never,
• 21:38
  like,
• 21:39
  cross
• 21:39
  that
• 21:40
  Rubicon
• 21:40
  because
• 21:41
  the
• 21:42
  Other,
• 21:42
  like,
• 21:42
  their
• 21:43
  integrity,
• 21:43
  who
• 21:44
  they
• 21:44
  are,
• 21:44
  like,
• 21:46
  that
• 21:46
  groundedness,
• 21:48
  you
• 21:48
  can
• 21:48
  try
• 21:49
  and
• 21:49
  change
• 21:49
  it.
• 21:49
  But
• 21:50
  it's
• 21:50
  all
• 21:51
  like
• 21:51
  an
• 21:51
  illusion
• 21:51
  and
• 21:51
  a
• 21:52
  mistake
• 21:52
  in
• 21:52
  your
• 21:52
  head
• 21:52
  and
• 21:52
  like.
• 21:54
  So
• 21:55
  playing
• 21:55
  as
• 21:56
  others
• 21:57
  I
• 21:57
  actually
• 21:58
  think
• 21:58
  makes
• 21:59
  both
• 21:59
  Levinas's
• 22:00
  points.
• 22:00
  So
• 22:00
  Levinas,
• 22:01
  if
• 22:02
  you
• 22:02
  don't
• 22:02
  know
• 22:02
  Levinas,
• 22:03
  my
• 22:03
  simple
• 22:03
  version
• 22:04
  is
• 22:05
  humans
• 22:06
  are
• 22:06
  really
• 22:06
  good
• 22:06
  at
• 22:06
  creating
• 22:06
  in
• 22:07
  groups
• 22:07
  and
• 22:07
  out
• 22:07
  groups,
• 22:08
  which
• 22:08
  is
• 22:08
  basically
• 22:08
  what
• 22:08
  I've
• 22:09
  been
• 22:09
  talking
• 22:09
  about.
• 22:10
  And
• 22:10
  we
• 22:10
  are
• 22:11
  actually
• 22:11
  really
• 22:11
  good
• 22:11
  at
• 22:11
  it
• 22:11
  in
• 22:12
  a
• 22:12
  problematic
• 22:12
  way.
• 22:13
  Biologically,
• 22:13
  we
• 22:13
  seem
• 22:14
  to
• 22:14
  have
• 22:14
  a
• 22:14
  propensity
• 22:15
  to
• 22:15
  it.
• 22:17
  We
• 22:17
  just
• 22:17
  encounter
• 22:18
  people
• 22:18
  who
• 22:18
  like
• 22:19
  otherness.
• 22:20
  We're
• 22:20
  all
• 22:20
  different
• 22:21
  than
• 22:21
  each
• 22:21
  other,
• 22:22
  but
• 22:22
  we
• 22:22
  have
• 22:22
  friends,
• 22:23
  family,
• 22:24
  religious
• 22:25
  memberships,
• 22:25
  political
• 22:26
  memberships
• 22:27
  that
• 22:27
  we're
• 22:27
  kind
• 22:28
  of
• 22:28
  comfortable
• 22:28
  with.
• 22:28
  And
• 22:28
  we
• 22:29
  don't
• 22:29
  really
• 22:29
  think
• 22:30
  about
• 22:30
  the
• 22:30
  fact
• 22:30
  that
• 22:30
  we're
• 22:30
  all
• 22:31
  different.
• 22:31
  And
• 22:31
  then
• 22:31
  at
• 22:31
  some
• 22:31
  point
• 22:32
  it's
• 22:32
  like,
• 22:32
  oh,
• 22:32
  this
• 22:32
  is
• 22:33
  too
• 22:33
  other
• 22:33
  and
• 22:33
  different
• 22:34
  and
• 22:34
  uncomfortable.
• 22:35
  And
• 22:35
  now
• 22:35
  you
• 22:35
  just
• 22:35
  treat
• 22:36
  people
• 22:36
  differently
• 22:36
  because
• 22:37
  they're
• 22:37
  other,
• 22:38
  not
• 22:38
  realizing
• 22:39
  that
• 22:39
  we're
• 22:39
  all
• 22:39
  actually
• 22:39
  different.
• 22:40
  So
• 22:40
  the
• 22:40
  point
• 22:41
  is
• 22:41
  it
• 22:41
  doesn't
• 22:42
  matter
• 22:42
  who
• 22:42
  anybody
• 22:43
  is,
• 22:43
  because
• 22:43
  we're
• 22:43
  all
• 22:43
  others
• 22:44
  to
• 22:44
  each
• 22:44
  other
• 22:44
  and
• 22:44
  different.
• 22:45
  So
• 22:45
  these
• 22:46
  in
• 22:46
  group
• 22:46
  out
• 22:47
  groups
• 22:47
  that
• 22:47
  are
• 22:47
  based
• 22:47
  on
• 22:48
  checklists
• 22:48
  of
• 22:48
  sort
• 22:49
  of
• 22:49
  similar
• 22:49
  to
• 22:50
  me
• 22:50
  or
• 22:50
  different
• 22:50
  are
• 22:51
  all
• 22:51
  just
• 22:51
  manufactured
• 22:53
  nonsense
• 22:53
  that
• 22:55
  violates
• 22:55
  something
• 22:56
  more
• 22:56
  basic
• 22:56
  and
• 22:56
  primary.
• 22:58
  But
• 22:58
  you
• 22:58
  don't
• 22:59
  encounter
• 23:00
  that
• 23:00
  when
• 23:00
  you
• 23:00
  talk
• 23:00
  about
• 23:01
  this
• 23:01
  issue.
• 23:01
  So
• 23:02
  reading
• 23:03
  Levinas,
• 23:03
  reading
• 23:04
  Tillich,
• 23:04
  talking
• 23:04
  about
• 23:05
  this,
• 23:05
  me
• 23:05
  saying
• 23:06
  this
• 23:06
  right
• 23:06
  now
• 23:06
  is
• 23:06
  not
• 23:07
  actually
• 23:07
  encountering
• 23:08
  another.
• 23:09
  People
• 23:10
  debating
• 23:10
  this
• 23:11
  on
• 23:11
  a
• 23:11
  24
• 23:12
  hour
• 23:12
  news
• 23:12
  channel
• 23:13
  is
• 23:13
  not
• 23:13
  actually
• 23:14
  encountering
• 23:14
  the
• 23:14
  other.
• 23:15
  You
• 23:16
  actually
• 23:16
  have
• 23:16
  to
• 23:16
  have
• 23:16
  an
• 23:17
  encounter.
• 23:17
  So
• 23:17
  reading
• 23:17
  Levinas
• 23:18
  is
• 23:18
  not
• 23:18
  an
• 23:18
  encounter
• 23:18
  of
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  other
• 23:19
  on
• 23:19
  the
• 23:19
  page
• 23:19
  or
• 23:19
  even
• 23:20
  Tillix.
• 23:20
  He
• 23:20
  has
• 23:21
  like
• 23:21
  a
• 23:21
  lengthy
• 23:21
  two
• 23:22
  paragraphs
• 23:22
  and
• 23:22
  that
• 23:23
  he
• 23:23
  sounds
• 23:23
  totally
• 23:23
  like
• 23:23
  Levinas,
• 23:24
  but
• 23:24
  that's
• 23:24
  basically
• 23:25
  it
• 23:25
  that
• 23:25
  I
• 23:25
  found
• 23:25
  in
• 23:26
  him.
• 23:26
  But
• 23:27
  in
• 23:27
  a
• 23:27
  game
• 23:27
  you
• 23:27
  have
• 23:27
  to
• 23:28
  encounter
• 23:28
  characters
• 23:29
  that
• 23:29
  are
• 23:29
  fully
• 23:29
  fledged
• 23:30
  and
• 23:30
  have
• 23:31
  like
• 23:32
  a
• 23:32
  context
• 23:33
  and
• 23:33
  the
• 23:33
  world
• 23:33
  that
• 23:33
  they
• 23:34
  live
• 23:34
  in.
• 23:35
  And
• 23:36
  I
• 23:37
  compare
• 23:37
  it
• 23:37
  to
• 23:38
  this
• 23:38
  doesn't
• 23:38
  always
• 23:38
  happen,
• 23:39
  but
• 23:39
  sometimes
• 23:39
  it
• 23:39
  does.
• 23:40
  And
• 23:40
  it
• 23:40
  doesn't
• 23:41
  always
• 23:41
  happen
• 23:41
  is
• 23:41
  the
• 23:41
  unfortunate
• 23:42
  part.
• 23:42
  But
• 23:42
  often
• 23:43
  parents
• 23:44
  who
• 23:44
  are
• 23:44
  anti,
• 23:45
  say
• 23:45
  gay
• 23:46
  rights
• 23:46
  as
• 23:47
  a
• 23:47
  kid,
• 23:47
  that
• 23:47
  comes
• 23:47
  out
• 23:48
  and
• 23:49
  then
• 23:49
  it's
• 23:49
  like,
• 23:49
  oh
• 23:49
  crap,
• 23:50
  I
• 23:50
  can't
• 23:51
  be
• 23:51
  against
• 23:51
  gay
• 23:51
  rights
• 23:52
  because
• 23:52
  I
• 23:52
  love
• 23:52
  my
• 23:52
  kid.
• 23:52
  And
• 23:53
  then
• 23:53
  they
• 23:53
  have
• 23:53
  a
• 23:53
  moment
• 23:53
  where
• 23:53
  like,
• 23:54
  oh,
• 23:54
  gay
• 23:55
  people
• 23:55
  are
• 23:55
  like
• 23:55
  humans
• 23:56
  and
• 23:56
  like
• 23:56
  it's
• 23:56
  wrong
• 23:56
  to
• 23:56
  like
• 23:57
  treat
• 23:57
  humans
• 23:57
  this
• 23:57
  way
• 23:58
  because
• 23:58
  they
• 23:58
  had
• 23:58
  never
• 23:58
  thought
• 23:58
  of
• 23:58
  them
• 23:59
  as
• 23:59
  humans.
• 23:59
  They
• 23:59
  had
• 23:59
  thought
• 24:00
  of
• 24:00
  them
• 24:00
  as
• 24:00
  that
• 24:01
  other
• 24:01
  thing
• 24:01
  that's
• 24:02
  a
• 24:02
  political
• 24:02
  talking
• 24:03
  point.
• 24:04
  So
• 24:05
  in
• 24:05
  games
• 24:05
  you
• 24:05
  got
• 24:05
  to
• 24:05
  interact
• 24:06
  with
• 24:06
  AI
• 24:07
  and
• 24:07
  characters
• 24:07
  and
• 24:08
  it's
• 24:08
  not
• 24:09
  unlike
• 24:09
  actually
• 24:10
  having
• 24:10
  to
• 24:11
  have
• 24:11
  that
• 24:11
  aha
• 24:12
  moment
• 24:12
  of
• 24:12
  oh,
• 24:12
  I've
• 24:13
  been
• 24:13
  mistreating
• 24:13
  a
• 24:13
  person.
• 24:14
  And
• 24:14
  I.
• 24:14
  That's
• 24:14
  like,
• 24:15
  against
• 24:15
  my
• 24:15
  theology.
• 24:15
  Oops.
• 24:18
  So
• 24:18
  the.
• 24:18
  But
• 24:19
  the.
• 24:19
  And
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  fact
• 24:19
  that
• 24:19
  the
• 24:19
  AI
• 24:20
  characters
• 24:20
  have
• 24:20
  their
• 24:21
  own
• 24:21
  sort
• 24:22
  of
• 24:22
  integrity,
• 24:22
  like,
• 24:23
  going
• 24:23
  back
• 24:23
  to
• 24:23
  Mass
• 24:24
  Effect,
• 24:24
  the
• 24:24
  characters
• 24:25
  push
• 24:25
  back
• 24:25
  against
• 24:26
  you.
• 24:26
  So
• 24:26
  they
• 24:26
  actually,
• 24:27
  especially
• 24:27
  in
• 24:27
  the
• 24:27
  third
• 24:27
  one,
• 24:28
  have
• 24:28
  their
• 24:29
  own
• 24:29
  orientations.
• 24:30
  So
• 24:30
  you
• 24:30
  can't
• 24:30
  romance
• 24:31
  everybody
• 24:32
  in
• 24:32
  the
• 24:32
  game
• 24:32
  because
• 24:33
  some
• 24:33
  of
• 24:33
  them
• 24:33
  are
• 24:33
  like,
• 24:33
  I'm
• 24:34
  not
• 24:34
  interested.
• 24:34
  I'm
• 24:35
  like,
• 24:35
  I'm
• 24:35
  interested
• 24:35
  in
• 24:35
  her,
• 24:36
  but
• 24:36
  not
• 24:36
  you.
• 24:36
  Depending
• 24:37
  on
• 24:37
  if
• 24:37
  you
• 24:37
  picked,
• 24:38
  like,
• 24:38
  male
• 24:38
  Commander
• 24:38
  Shepard
• 24:39
  or
• 24:39
  female
• 24:39
  Commander
• 24:39
  Shepard.
• 24:40
  Yeah.
• 24:40
  So
• 24:41
  the
• 24:41
  game
• 24:41
  pushes
• 24:41
  back
• 24:41
  on
• 24:41
  you
• 24:42
  and
• 24:42
  has
• 24:42
  its
• 24:42
  own
• 24:42
  sort
• 24:43
  of
• 24:43
  autonomy
• 24:43
  where
• 24:43
  it's
• 24:43
  like,
• 24:44
  no,
• 24:44
  no,
• 24:44
  no.
• 24:44
  Like,
• 24:45
  respect
• 24:45
  me.
• 24:46
  Like,
• 24:46
  you
• 24:46
  have
• 24:46
  to
• 24:46
  respect
• 24:46
  me,
• 24:47
  the
• 24:47
  AI
• 24:47
  character.
• 24:48
  Just
• 24:48
  like
• 24:48
  you
• 24:49
  want
• 24:49
  to
• 24:49
  be
• 24:49
  respected.
• 24:50
  So
• 24:50
  that's
• 24:50
  like
• 24:51
  affirming
• 24:52
  autonomy.
• 24:52
  But,
• 24:53
  like,
• 24:53
  let's
• 24:53
  broaden
• 24:53
  it
• 24:54
  out
• 24:54
  to
• 24:54
  a
• 24:54
  group
• 24:54
  rather
• 24:55
  than
• 24:55
  just,
• 24:55
  you
• 24:55
  know,
• 24:56
  the
• 24:56
  games
• 24:57
  push
• 24:57
  back
• 24:57
  in
• 24:57
  a
• 24:57
  really
• 24:57
  important
• 24:58
  way,
• 24:58
  too.
• 24:59
  Yeah,
• 25:01
  I
• 25:01
  got
• 25:01
  a
• 25:01
  lot
• 25:02
  here.
• 25:02
  So
• 25:03
  I
• 25:03
  kind
• 25:03
  of
• 25:03
  paraphrased
• 25:04
  a
• 25:04
  couple
• 25:04
  of
• 25:04
  your
• 25:05
  lines
• 25:05
  when
• 25:05
  I
• 25:05
  was
• 25:05
  reading,
• 25:06
  and
• 25:07
  I
• 25:08
  should
• 25:08
  have
• 25:08
  wrote
• 25:08
  the
• 25:09
  whole
• 25:09
  quote
• 25:09
  down,
• 25:09
  but
• 25:10
  I
• 25:10
  am
• 25:11
  a
• 25:11
  bad
• 25:12
  podcaster.
• 25:15
  When
• 25:15
  you
• 25:15
  were
• 25:15
  talking
• 25:16
  about
• 25:16
  AI,
• 25:17
  you
• 25:17
  kind
• 25:17
  of
• 25:17
  say
• 25:17
  that
• 25:18
  refusing
• 25:18
  to
• 25:18
  see
• 25:19
  God
• 25:19
  in
• 25:19
  the
• 25:19
  virtual
• 25:20
  other
• 25:20
  equates
• 25:21
  to
• 25:22
  real
• 25:22
  sin
• 25:23
  because
• 25:23
  the
• 25:24
  ground
• 25:24
  of
• 25:24
  being
• 25:24
  exists
• 25:25
  in
• 25:25
  the
• 25:25
  art,
• 25:26
  and
• 25:26
  these
• 25:26
  characters
• 25:26
  are,
• 25:27
  in
• 25:27
  a
• 25:27
  way,
• 25:28
  still
• 25:29
  reflecting
• 25:30
  that
• 25:30
  ground
• 25:30
  of
• 25:30
  being.
• 25:31
  So
• 25:31
  when
• 25:31
  we're
• 25:32
  refusing
• 25:32
  to
• 25:32
  see
• 25:32
  that,
• 25:33
  we're
• 25:33
  still
• 25:33
  kind
• 25:33
  of.
• 25:34
  And
• 25:34
  how
• 25:35
  Tillich
• 25:35
  uses
• 25:35
  the
• 25:35
  word
• 25:35
  sin
• 25:36
  and
• 25:36
  demonic
• 25:36
  are
• 25:37
  whole
• 25:37
  different
• 25:37
  things.
• 25:38
  Because
• 25:38
  I
• 25:38
  was
• 25:38
  also
• 25:38
  gonna
• 25:39
  ask
• 25:39
  about,
• 25:39
  like,
• 25:40
  if
• 25:40
  we
• 25:40
  see
• 25:40
  that
• 25:41
  corruption
• 25:41
  in
• 25:41
  a
• 25:42
  game
• 25:42
  where
• 25:42
  it's
• 25:42
  not
• 25:42
  really
• 25:42
  reflecting
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  ground
• 25:43
  of
• 25:43
  being
• 25:43
  the
• 25:43
  way
• 25:43
  that
• 25:44
  we
• 25:44
  would
• 25:44
  think
• 25:44
  of
• 25:44
  it,
• 25:45
  how
• 25:45
  do
• 25:45
  we
• 25:45
  deal
• 25:45
  with,
• 25:45
  like,
• 25:46
  sin,
• 25:46
  demonic,
• 25:47
  like,
• 25:47
  all
• 25:47
  this
• 25:47
  kind
• 25:47
  of
• 25:47
  stuff
• 25:47
  when
• 25:48
  we're
• 25:48
  interacting
• 25:48
  with
• 25:49
  what's
• 25:49
  not
• 25:49
  real?
• 25:50
  You
• 25:50
  know,
• 25:51
  a
• 25:51
  lot
• 25:51
  of
• 25:51
  us
• 25:51
  are
• 25:51
  like,
• 25:52
  hey,
• 25:52
  I'm
• 25:52
  gonna
• 25:52
  play
• 25:52
  Kotor,
• 25:53
  and
• 25:53
  go
• 25:53
  completely
• 25:54
  dark
• 25:54
  side
• 25:54
  the
• 25:54
  whole
• 25:55
  time,
• 25:55
  because
• 25:55
  that's
• 25:55
  just
• 25:56
  fun,
• 25:56
  you
• 25:56
  know?
• 25:59
  So
• 25:59
  a
• 25:59
  lot
• 25:59
  of
• 26:00
  the
• 26:00
  games.
• 26:01
  So
• 26:01
  I
• 26:01
  gave
• 26:01
  a
• 26:01
  couple
• 26:01
  games
• 26:02
  as
• 26:02
  examples,
• 26:03
  you
• 26:03
  got
• 26:03
  to
• 26:03
  play
• 26:03
  in
• 26:03
  good
• 26:04
  faith.
• 26:04
  So
• 26:05
  there
• 26:05
  are
• 26:05
  people
• 26:05
  that
• 26:05
  just
• 26:05
  try
• 26:05
  and
• 26:06
  mess
• 26:06
  with
• 26:06
  games
• 26:06
  and
• 26:06
  see
• 26:07
  what
• 26:07
  they
• 26:07
  can
• 26:07
  get
• 26:07
  away
• 26:07
  with.
• 26:08
  But
• 26:08
  if
• 26:09
  you
• 26:09
  take
• 26:09
  the
• 26:09
  game
• 26:09
  on,
• 26:10
  it's
• 26:10
  like,
• 26:11
  where
• 26:11
  it's
• 26:11
  at
• 26:12
  and
• 26:12
  play
• 26:13
  it
• 26:13
  seriously
• 26:13
  in
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  storyline
• 26:14
  and
• 26:14
  the
• 26:14
  characters
• 26:15
  it
• 26:15
  has,
• 26:16
  there's
• 26:16
  a
• 26:17
  chance
• 26:17
  to.
• 26:18
  Tillich
• 26:18
  does
• 26:19
  put
• 26:19
  it
• 26:19
  in
• 26:19
  terms
• 26:19
  of,
• 26:20
  like,
• 26:20
  the
• 26:20
  demonic
• 26:21
  sometimes
• 26:22
  he
• 26:23
  uses
• 26:23
  religious
• 26:23
  language
• 26:24
  symbolically
• 26:24
  a
• 26:24
  lot,
• 26:25
  but
• 26:25
  he
• 26:25
  does
• 26:25
  mean
• 26:25
  that
• 26:25
  seriously,
• 26:26
  in
• 26:26
  that
• 26:26
  it's
• 26:26
  distorting
• 26:27
  something
• 26:28
  that's
• 26:28
  potentially
• 26:29
  true
• 26:29
  and
• 26:29
  beautiful
• 26:30
  and
• 26:30
  life
• 26:30
  changing.
• 26:32
  Just
• 26:32
  like
• 26:32
  he
• 26:33
  he
• 26:34
  was
• 26:34
  really
• 26:34
  critical
• 26:35
  of
• 26:35
  quote,
• 26:35
  unquote,
• 26:36
  realistic
• 26:36
  religious
• 26:37
  paintings.
• 26:37
  So
• 26:37
  he
• 26:38
  hated
• 26:38
  the.
• 26:39
  The
• 26:40
  Last
• 26:40
  Supper
• 26:40
  painting.
• 26:41
  And
• 26:41
  he's
• 26:41
  like,
• 26:41
  this
• 26:41
  is
• 26:42
  religiously
• 26:42
  insignificant
• 26:43
  and
• 26:43
  I
• 26:43
  hate
• 26:43
  it.
• 26:44
  But,
• 26:45
  like,
• 26:45
  expressionist
• 26:46
  paintings
• 26:46
  and
• 26:47
  impressionist
• 26:47
  paintings,
• 26:47
  he
• 26:47
  thought.
• 26:48
  Got
• 26:48
  you
• 26:48
  to
• 26:48
  think
• 26:48
  about
• 26:49
  the
• 26:49
  way
• 26:49
  they
• 26:49
  twist
• 26:50
  images
• 26:50
  and,
• 26:51
  like,
• 26:51
  the
• 26:51
  Scream
• 26:51
  is
• 26:52
  not
• 26:52
  a
• 26:52
  realistic
• 26:53
  looking
• 26:53
  face.
• 26:53
  Starry,
• 26:53
  starry
• 26:54
  night
• 26:54
  is
• 26:54
  not
• 26:54
  how
• 26:54
  an
• 26:55
  actual
• 26:55
  night
• 26:55
  sky
• 26:56
  looks.
• 26:56
  They
• 26:57
  twist
• 26:57
  something
• 26:58
  here
• 26:58
  right
• 26:58
  now
• 26:59
  to
• 26:59
  make
• 26:59
  you
• 26:59
  think
• 26:59
  there's
• 27:00
  maybe
• 27:00
  more
• 27:01
  going
• 27:01
  on.
• 27:02
  And
• 27:03
  whether
• 27:03
  or
• 27:03
  not
• 27:03
  you
• 27:03
  can
• 27:04
  see
• 27:04
  the
• 27:04
  more
• 27:04
  or
• 27:04
  not
• 27:05
  is
• 27:05
  what
• 27:05
  Tillich
• 27:06
  refers
• 27:06
  to
• 27:06
  as,
• 27:07
  like,
• 27:07
  you're
• 27:07
  demonically,
• 27:08
  like,
• 27:08
  distorting
• 27:09
  the
• 27:09
  potential
• 27:10
  for
• 27:10
  something
• 27:10
  to
• 27:10
  happen
• 27:11
  there.
• 27:13
  I
• 27:13
  sometimes
• 27:14
  put
• 27:14
  it
• 27:14
  as
• 27:16
  groundless
• 27:17
  grounds.
• 27:18
  Like,
• 27:18
  you
• 27:18
  don't.
• 27:18
  You
• 27:18
  don't
• 27:19
  know
• 27:19
  how
• 27:19
  this
• 27:19
  is
• 27:19
  going
• 27:19
  to
• 27:20
  manifest
• 27:20
  itself
• 27:20
  in
• 27:21
  culture.
• 27:21
  But
• 27:22
  Tillich
• 27:22
  meant
• 27:22
  these
• 27:23
  things
• 27:23
  seriously.
• 27:24
  He
• 27:24
  said
• 27:24
  God
• 27:25
  is
• 27:25
  real
• 27:26
  but
• 27:26
  doesn't
• 27:26
  exist.
• 27:27
  But
• 27:27
  he
• 27:28
  was.
• 27:28
  He
• 27:28
  does
• 27:28
  have
• 27:29
  an
• 27:29
  ontology.
• 27:29
  So
• 27:30
  he
• 27:30
  means
• 27:30
  that,
• 27:30
  like,
• 27:30
  God
• 27:30
  is
• 27:31
  the
• 27:31
  source
• 27:31
  of
• 27:31
  your
• 27:31
  existence.
• 27:32
  You're
• 27:32
  just
• 27:32
  gonna
• 27:33
  have
• 27:33
  to
• 27:33
  get
• 27:33
  over
• 27:33
  thinking
• 27:33
  of
• 27:34
  God
• 27:34
  as
• 27:34
  a
• 27:34
  supernatural
• 27:35
  being.
• 27:35
  But
• 27:36
  that
• 27:36
  lets
• 27:36
  you
• 27:36
  really
• 27:37
  say
• 27:37
  things
• 27:37
  like,
• 27:38
  well,
• 27:38
  like,
• 27:38
  the
• 27:39
  affirmation
• 27:39
  of
• 27:39
  who
• 27:39
  I
• 27:40
  am
• 27:40
  can
• 27:40
  happen
• 27:40
  through
• 27:41
  who
• 27:41
  knows
• 27:41
  what,
• 27:42
  a
• 27:42
  painting
• 27:42
  or
• 27:43
  a
• 27:43
  video
• 27:43
  game,
• 27:44
  but
• 27:44
  you
• 27:45
  gotta.
• 27:46
  You
• 27:46
  gotta,
• 27:47
  like,
• 27:47
  kind
• 27:47
  of
• 27:48
  play
• 27:48
  the
• 27:49
  game
• 27:49
  in
• 27:49
  good
• 27:49
  faith,
• 27:49
  I
• 27:50
  guess
• 27:50
  I
• 27:50
  would
• 27:50
  say.
• 27:52
  Yeah.
• 27:53
  Does
• 27:53
  that
• 27:53
  answer
• 27:53
  your
• 27:53
  question?
• 27:54
  Oh,
• 27:54
  yeah,
• 27:54
  yeah,
• 27:56
  yeah.
• 27:56
  And
• 27:57
  I
• 27:57
  wanted
• 27:57
  to,
• 27:57
  I
• 27:57
  guess,
• 27:57
  follow
• 27:58
  up
• 27:58
  on
• 27:58
  that.
• 27:58
  You
• 27:58
  know,
• 27:59
  speaking
• 27:59
  of
• 27:59
  Tilik's
• 28:00
  language,
• 28:01
  you
• 28:01
  know,
• 28:01
  you
• 28:01
  know
• 28:01
  as
• 28:01
  well
• 28:02
  as
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  do,
• 28:02
  I
• 28:02
  study
• 28:02
  Tillich,
• 28:03
  too.
• 28:03
  So
• 28:03
  we
• 28:03
  know
• 28:03
  that
• 28:03
  sometimes,
• 28:04
  even
• 28:04
  though
• 28:04
  it's
• 28:04
  evocative
• 28:05
  to
• 28:05
  people
• 28:05
  who
• 28:06
  grew
• 28:06
  up
• 28:06
  in
• 28:06
  a
• 28:06
  Christian
• 28:06
  context,
• 28:07
  that
• 28:07
  language,
• 28:07
  like
• 28:08
  sin
• 28:08
  and
• 28:08
  demonic.
• 28:09
  Right.
• 28:09
  He
• 28:09
  means
• 28:10
  something
• 28:10
  very
• 28:10
  different
• 28:10
  by
• 28:10
  that.
• 28:11
  It
• 28:11
  can
• 28:11
  get
• 28:11
  a
• 28:11
  little
• 28:11
  bit
• 28:12
  lost.
• 28:12
  In
• 28:12
  your
• 28:13
  research,
• 28:13
  do
• 28:13
  you
• 28:13
  see,
• 28:14
  like,
• 28:14
  a
• 28:14
  new
• 28:14
  language
• 28:15
  emerging
• 28:15
  or
• 28:15
  do
• 28:15
  you
• 28:15
  see
• 28:16
  the
• 28:16
  possibility
• 28:17
  of,
• 28:17
  you
• 28:17
  know,
• 28:17
  some
• 28:17
  of
• 28:18
  those
• 28:18
  communities
• 28:18
  forming
• 28:19
  their
• 28:19
  own
• 28:19
  symbol
• 28:19
  sets
• 28:20
  to
• 28:20
  talk
• 28:20
  about
• 28:20
  these
• 28:20
  same
• 28:21
  experiences?
• 28:27
  Yeah,
• 28:28
  I
• 28:28
  think.
• 28:28
  I
• 28:28
  mean,
• 28:28
  I.
• 28:29
  I
• 28:29
  really
• 28:29
  think
• 28:29
  that
• 28:29
  Tilich
• 28:30
  would
• 28:30
  be
• 28:30
  super
• 28:31
  okay
• 28:32
  with.
• 28:34
  Tillich
• 28:35
  was
• 28:35
  in
• 28:35
  a
• 28:35
  weird
• 28:35
  place,
• 28:36
  right?
• 28:36
  So
• 28:36
  he's.
• 28:36
  He's
• 28:37
  really.
• 28:37
  When
• 28:37
  he
• 28:38
  comes
• 28:38
  to
• 28:38
  this
• 28:38
  country,
• 28:38
  especially
• 28:40
  40s,
• 28:40
  50s,
• 28:41
  60s,
• 28:41
  and
• 28:41
  then
• 28:42
  he
• 28:42
  dies,
• 28:43
  he's
• 28:44
  known
• 28:44
  as
• 28:45
  a
• 28:45
  important
• 28:45
  thinker,
• 28:46
  and
• 28:46
  he
• 28:46
  was
• 28:46
  on
• 28:46
  the
• 28:46
  COVID
• 28:46
  of
• 28:47
  Time
• 28:47
  magazine
• 28:47
  when
• 28:47
  that
• 28:48
  was
• 28:48
  a
• 28:48
  thing
• 28:48
  that
• 28:48
  mattered.
• 28:49
  But
• 28:50
  he's
• 28:50
  simultaneously
• 28:52
  really
• 28:52
  knowing
• 28:53
  that
• 28:53
  his
• 28:53
  ideas
• 28:54
  challenge,
• 28:55
  and
• 28:55
  he
• 28:55
  means
• 28:55
  them
• 28:56
  to
• 28:56
  challenge
• 28:56
  because
• 28:56
  he's
• 28:57
  seen
• 28:57
  how
• 28:58
  very
• 28:59
  traditional
• 28:59
  supernatural
• 29:00
  beliefs
• 29:01
  prevalent
• 29:01
  in
• 29:01
  a
• 29:01
  lot
• 29:01
  of
• 29:02
  churches
• 29:02
  harm
• 29:03
  people,
• 29:03
  and
• 29:04
  he
• 29:04
  wants
• 29:04
  to
• 29:04
  get
• 29:04
  over
• 29:05
  that,
• 29:05
  but
• 29:05
  he
• 29:05
  wants
• 29:06
  to
• 29:06
  speak
• 29:06
  their
• 29:06
  language
• 29:06
  so
• 29:07
  they
• 29:07
  don't
• 29:07
  just
• 29:07
  ignore
• 29:07
  him.
• 29:08
  So
• 29:09
  he
• 29:09
  uses
• 29:09
  phrases
• 29:10
  like
• 29:10
  the
• 29:10
  demonic,
• 29:11
  even
• 29:11
  though
• 29:11
  it's
• 29:12
  not
• 29:12
  exactly,
• 29:13
  you
• 29:13
  know,
• 29:13
  he's
• 29:13
  not
• 29:13
  talking
• 29:13
  about
• 29:14
  demons.
• 29:14
  He's
• 29:15
  not
• 29:15
  talking
• 29:15
  about
• 29:16
  actual
• 29:16
  sinful
• 29:17
  forces
• 29:17
  in
• 29:17
  control
• 29:17
  of
• 29:18
  things.
• 29:18
  But
• 29:18
  he
• 29:19
  does
• 29:19
  mean
• 29:19
  distorting
• 29:20
  potential
• 29:20
  and
• 29:21
  up.
• 29:21
  So
• 29:21
  he's
• 29:22
  playing
• 29:22
  with
• 29:22
  language
• 29:23
  symbolically.
• 29:24
  I
• 29:24
  think
• 29:25
  if
• 29:25
  he
• 29:25
  would
• 29:25
  have
• 29:25
  lived,
• 29:26
  you
• 29:26
  know,
• 29:27
  miraculously
• 29:27
  to
• 29:28
  a
• 29:28
  long
• 29:28
  age
• 29:28
  and
• 29:29
  been
• 29:29
  around
• 29:29
  today,
• 29:30
  I
• 29:30
  don't
• 29:31
  know
• 29:31
  if
• 29:31
  it's
• 29:31
  like
• 29:31
  a
• 29:31
  new
• 29:31
  language
• 29:32
  emerging.
• 29:33
  I
• 29:33
  just
• 29:33
  think
• 29:33
  he
• 29:33
  would
• 29:33
  have
• 29:34
  pushed
• 29:34
  his
• 29:34
  thought
• 29:35
  further.
• 29:35
  So,
• 29:35
  like,
• 29:36
  it
• 29:36
  really
• 29:36
  is
• 29:36
  just
• 29:37
  a
• 29:37
  theology
• 29:37
  of
• 29:38
  culture,
• 29:38
  and
• 29:38
  it's
• 29:39
  okay
• 29:39
  if
• 29:39
  they
• 29:39
  don't
• 29:40
  use
• 29:40
  the
• 29:40
  symbolic
• 29:41
  terms
• 29:41
  like
• 29:41
  Tillich
• 29:42
  does.
• 29:42
  I
• 29:42
  think
• 29:43
  he
• 29:43
  would
• 29:43
  still,
• 29:44
  I
• 29:44
  hope,
• 29:45
  would
• 29:45
  look
• 29:45
  at
• 29:46
  the
• 29:46
  religious,
• 29:46
  the
• 29:47
  video
• 29:47
  game
• 29:47
  communities,
• 29:48
  and
• 29:48
  not
• 29:48
  have
• 29:49
  to
• 29:49
  force
• 29:50
  the,
• 29:50
  like,
• 29:50
  the
• 29:51
  symbolic
• 29:51
  twist
• 29:52
  of.
• 29:52
  We
• 29:52
  can
• 29:53
  use
• 29:53
  this
• 29:53
  word
• 29:53
  symbolically,
• 29:54
  but
• 29:54
  I
• 29:54
  don't
• 29:54
  actually
• 29:54
  mean
• 29:55
  it
• 29:55
  literally
• 29:55
  and
• 29:56
  just
• 29:56
  say,
• 29:56
  well,
• 29:56
  look
• 29:57
  at
• 29:57
  functionally
• 29:58
  what's
• 29:58
  happening,
• 29:58
  the
• 29:59
  sorts
• 29:59
  of
• 30:00
  lives
• 30:01
  they're
• 30:01
  changing,
• 30:02
  the
• 30:02
  way
• 30:03
  they
• 30:03
  change
• 30:03
  other
• 30:03
  people's
• 30:04
  behavior
• 30:04
  towards
• 30:04
  others
• 30:05
  and
• 30:05
  thus
• 30:05
  the
• 30:06
  community
• 30:06
  they're
• 30:07
  creating.
• 30:08
  I
• 30:08
  think
• 30:08
  you'd
• 30:08
  be
• 30:08
  okay
• 30:09
  with
• 30:09
  it.
• 30:09
  So
• 30:09
  I
• 30:09
  guess
• 30:09
  I
• 30:10
  don't
• 30:10
  have
• 30:10
  an
• 30:10
  answer
• 30:10
  of
• 30:10
  new
• 30:11
  language.
• 30:13
  So
• 30:14
  Taylor
• 30:14
  is
• 30:15
  also
• 30:15
  doing
• 30:16
  work
• 30:16
  about
• 30:16
  video
• 30:16
  games.
• 30:17
  I
• 30:17
  just
• 30:17
  want
• 30:17
  to
• 30:18
  throw
• 30:18
  it
• 30:18
  back
• 30:18
  at
• 30:18
  you.
• 30:18
  Do
• 30:19
  you.
• 30:20
  Do
• 30:20
  you
• 30:20
  see,
• 30:20
  like,
• 30:20
  a
• 30:20
  specific
• 30:21
  language?
• 30:21
  Like,
• 30:21
  answer
• 30:22
  your
• 30:22
  own
• 30:22
  question.
• 30:22
  Do
• 30:22
  you
• 30:22
  see
• 30:24
  you
• 30:24
  put
• 30:24
  that
• 30:24
  uno
• 30:25
  reverse
• 30:25
  on
• 30:25
  me.
• 30:26
  Damn.
• 30:28
  You
• 30:29
  know,
• 30:29
  No,
• 30:29
  I
• 30:29
  don't
• 30:30
  see
• 30:30
  a
• 30:30
  specific
• 30:31
  language
• 30:31
  popping
• 30:32
  up.
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  think.
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  think
• 30:32
  I
• 30:32
  see
• 30:33
  my
• 30:33
  duty.
• 30:33
  And
• 30:34
  this
• 30:34
  is
• 30:34
  why
• 30:34
  I
• 30:34
  started
• 30:34
  the
• 30:35
  podcast
• 30:35
  on
• 30:35
  Tillich
• 30:36
  and
• 30:36
  want
• 30:36
  to
• 30:36
  talk
• 30:37
  to
• 30:37
  people
• 30:37
  like
• 30:37
  you
• 30:37
  and
• 30:38
  come
• 30:38
  to
• 30:38
  these
• 30:38
  events
• 30:39
  is
• 30:39
  because
• 30:39
  I
• 30:39
  think.
• 30:40
  I
• 30:40
  don't
• 30:40
  even
• 30:40
  know
• 30:41
  that
• 30:41
  we
• 30:41
  necessarily
• 30:42
  need
• 30:42
  those
• 30:43
  same.
• 30:43
  Like,
• 30:43
  I
• 30:44
  don't
• 30:44
  think
• 30:44
  we
• 30:44
  need
• 30:44
  a
• 30:44
  word
• 30:45
  like
• 30:45
  sin
• 30:45
  or
• 30:46
  a
• 30:46
  word
• 30:46
  like
• 30:46
  demonic
• 30:47
  necessarily.
• 30:48
  I
• 30:48
  think
• 30:48
  we
• 30:48
  just
• 30:49
  need
• 30:49
  a
• 30:49
  way
• 30:49
  to
• 30:49
  explain
• 30:50
  to
• 30:50
  people
• 30:50
  that
• 30:50
  there's
• 30:51
  this
• 30:51
  depth,
• 30:51
  penetrating
• 30:52
  reality
• 30:53
  and
• 30:53
  we
• 30:53
  have
• 30:53
  access
• 30:53
  to
• 30:54
  it
• 30:54
  and
• 30:54
  that
• 30:54
  it's
• 30:54
  very
• 30:55
  spiritually
• 30:55
  evocative.
• 30:57
  You
• 30:57
  know,
• 30:57
  even
• 30:57
  though
• 30:57
  traditions
• 30:58
  do
• 30:58
  do
• 30:58
  something
• 30:59
  for
• 30:59
  us.
• 30:59
  Like,
• 31:00
  I'm
• 31:00
  sort
• 31:00
  of
• 31:01
  on
• 31:01
  the
• 31:01
  boundary
• 31:01
  line
• 31:01
  between
• 31:02
  whether
• 31:02
  I'm
• 31:02
  still
• 31:02
  a
• 31:02
  Christian
• 31:03
  or
• 31:03
  not.
• 31:03
  And
• 31:04
  yet
• 31:04
  I,
• 31:04
  you
• 31:04
  know,
• 31:05
  when
• 31:05
  I
• 31:05
  get
• 31:05
  revved
• 31:05
  up
• 31:05
  about
• 31:06
  a
• 31:06
  moral
• 31:06
  issue,
• 31:06
  I'm
• 31:06
  like,
• 31:07
  it
• 31:07
  is
• 31:07
  sin,
• 31:07
  and
• 31:07
  Jesus
• 31:08
  would
• 31:08
  like.
• 31:11
  So
• 31:11
  I
• 31:11
  definitely
• 31:11
  use
• 31:12
  it.
• 31:12
  But
• 31:13
  I
• 31:13
  think,
• 31:13
  like,
• 31:13
  you
• 31:13
  know,
• 31:13
  the
• 31:14
  work
• 31:14
  we
• 31:14
  do
• 31:14
  and
• 31:14
  the
• 31:14
  work
• 31:15
  that
• 31:15
  we're
• 31:15
  doing
• 31:15
  here,
• 31:15
  if
• 31:16
  we
• 31:16
  can
• 31:16
  just
• 31:16
  get
• 31:17
  the
• 31:17
  point
• 31:17
  across
• 31:17
  that
• 31:18
  there's
• 31:18
  this
• 31:18
  depth
• 31:19
  there
• 31:19
  and
• 31:19
  that
• 31:19
  there's
• 31:19
  something
• 31:20
  there
• 31:20
  and
• 31:21
  that
• 31:21
  we
• 31:21
  don't
• 31:21
  have
• 31:21
  to
• 31:22
  just,
• 31:22
  like,
• 31:22
  go
• 31:22
  to
• 31:23
  work
• 31:23
  and
• 31:23
  then
• 31:23
  die
• 31:24
  like
• 31:25
  that's
• 31:26
  something,
• 31:26
  you
• 31:26
  know.
• 31:27
  Yeah.
• 31:29
  You
• 31:29
  know,
• 31:29
  it's
• 31:30
  funny.
• 31:30
  I
• 31:30
  was
• 31:30
  going
• 31:30
  to
• 31:30
  bring
• 31:30
  you
• 31:30
  back
• 31:30
  to
• 31:31
  Mass
• 31:31
  Effect,
• 31:31
  and
• 31:31
  it's
• 31:31
  so
• 31:32
  funny
• 31:32
  because
• 31:32
  I'm
• 31:32
  like,
• 31:32
  I
• 31:32
  was
• 31:33
  afraid
• 31:33
  I
• 31:33
  was
• 31:33
  going
• 31:33
  to
• 31:33
  make
• 31:33
  this
• 31:34
  a
• 31:34
  Kingdom
• 31:34
  Hearts
• 31:34
  talk,
• 31:34
  and
• 31:34
  here
• 31:35
  I
• 31:35
  am
• 31:35
  with
• 31:35
  Mass
• 31:35
  Effect.
• 31:36
  But
• 31:37
  speaking
• 31:37
  of
• 31:37
  Kingdom
• 31:37
  Hearts,
• 31:38
  I
• 31:38
  mean,
• 31:38
  when
• 31:38
  we're
• 31:38
  talking
• 31:38
  about,
• 31:39
  like,
• 31:39
  this
• 31:39
  theological
• 31:39
  language
• 31:40
  and
• 31:40
  stuff,
• 31:41
  one
• 31:41
  of
• 31:41
  the
• 31:41
  things
• 31:41
  that's
• 31:42
  challenged
• 31:43
  me
• 31:43
  is
• 31:43
  just
• 31:43
  how
• 31:44
  in
• 31:44
  that
• 31:44
  game,
• 31:45
  the
• 31:45
  main
• 31:45
  character
• 31:47
  kind
• 31:47
  of
• 31:47
  dies.
• 31:47
  He
• 31:47
  loses
• 31:48
  himself
• 31:48
  to
• 31:48
  darkness.
• 31:48
  He's
• 31:49
  split
• 31:49
  in
• 31:49
  two.
• 31:50
  And
• 31:50
  in
• 31:51
  that,
• 31:51
  you
• 31:51
  kind
• 31:51
  of
• 31:51
  see
• 31:51
  the
• 31:51
  redemption
• 31:52
  of
• 31:52
  all
• 31:52
  these
• 31:53
  enemies
• 31:53
  you've
• 31:53
  been
• 31:53
  fighting
• 31:54
  this
• 31:54
  whole
• 31:54
  time
• 31:55
  as
• 31:55
  he
• 31:55
  works
• 31:55
  himself
• 31:56
  back
• 31:56
  to
• 31:56
  what
• 31:56
  does
• 31:57
  it
• 31:57
  mean
• 31:57
  to
• 31:57
  be
• 31:57
  and
• 31:58
  finds
• 31:58
  that
• 31:58
  courage
• 31:58
  to
• 31:59
  be,
• 31:59
  if
• 31:59
  you
• 31:59
  will,
• 32:00
  learns
• 32:00
  to
• 32:01
  exist
• 32:01
  as
• 32:02
  himself.
• 32:02
  And
• 32:02
  it's
• 32:02
  just
• 32:02
  kind
• 32:02
  of
• 32:03
  one
• 32:03
  of
• 32:03
  those,
• 32:03
  like,
• 32:03
  I
• 32:04
  see
• 32:04
  all
• 32:04
  this
• 32:04
  language.
• 32:05
  In
• 32:06
  a
• 32:06
  way,
• 32:06
  I
• 32:06
  think
• 32:06
  it's
• 32:06
  more
• 32:06
  helpful
• 32:06
  that
• 32:06
  I
• 32:07
  played
• 32:07
  the
• 32:07
  games
• 32:07
  first
• 32:07
  and
• 32:07
  then
• 32:08
  read
• 32:08
  your
• 32:08
  stuff,
• 32:08
  because
• 32:08
  I'm
• 32:08
  like,
• 32:09
  okay,
• 32:09
  I
• 32:09
  could
• 32:10
  see
• 32:10
  this.
• 32:10
  I've
• 32:11
  read
• 32:11
  two
• 32:11
  books
• 32:11
  from
• 32:11
  Paul
• 32:12
  Tillich
• 32:12
  this
• 32:12
  week,
• 32:12
  and
• 32:13
  the
• 32:13
  whole
• 32:13
  time
• 32:13
  I'm
• 32:13
  like,
• 32:14
  I've
• 32:15
  seen
• 32:15
  this
• 32:15
  somewhere,
• 32:16
  and
• 32:16
  it's
• 32:16
  in
• 32:16
  video
• 32:17
  games.
• 32:17
  And
• 32:18
  if
• 32:18
  I
• 32:18
  tell
• 32:18
  that
• 32:18
  to
• 32:18
  someone,
• 32:19
  like
• 32:19
  my
• 32:19
  parents,
• 32:19
  they're
• 32:19
  gonna
• 32:19
  be
• 32:20
  like,
• 32:21
  roll
• 32:21
  their
• 32:21
  eyes
• 32:21
  at
• 32:21
  me,
• 32:22
  maybe
• 32:22
  sigh.
• 32:22
  Or,
• 32:22
  you
• 32:22
  know,
• 32:23
  they're
• 32:23
  like,
• 32:24
  you
• 32:24
  mean
• 32:24
  you
• 32:24
  just
• 32:24
  sit
• 32:24
  over
• 32:25
  there
• 32:25
  smashing
• 32:25
  buttons?
• 32:25
  It's
• 32:26
  not
• 32:26
  about.
• 32:26
  And
• 32:26
  I'm
• 32:26
  like,
• 32:26
  oh,
• 32:26
  no,
• 32:27
  you
• 32:27
  don't
• 32:27
  understand.
• 32:29
  But
• 32:30
  what
• 32:31
  was
• 32:31
  I
• 32:31
  getting
• 32:31
  at
• 32:32
  with
• 32:32
  Mass
• 32:32
  Effect?
• 32:34
  One
• 32:35
  of
• 32:35
  the
• 32:35
  things
• 32:35
  that
• 32:35
  you
• 32:36
  kind
• 32:36
  of
• 32:36
  hint
• 32:37
  at
• 32:37
  that
• 32:37
  I
• 32:38
  think,
• 32:38
  kind
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  can
• 32:38
  kind
• 32:38
  of
• 32:38
  help
• 32:38
  us
• 32:39
  wrap
• 32:39
  up
• 32:39
  this
• 32:39
  part
• 32:39
  of
• 32:39
  the
• 32:39
  conversation.
• 32:41
  There
• 32:41
  were
• 32:42
  people
• 32:42
  who
• 32:42
  are
• 32:42
  able
• 32:42
  to
• 32:43
  experience
• 32:43
  the
• 32:43
  other
• 32:43
  as
• 32:43
  playing
• 32:44
  as
• 32:44
  FemShep.
• 32:44
  Right.
• 32:45
  Like,
• 32:45
  we're
• 32:45
  playing
• 32:45
  as
• 32:45
  a
• 32:46
  female
• 32:46
  character
• 32:47
  seeing
• 32:47
  that
• 32:48
  experience
• 32:48
  through
• 32:49
  their
• 32:49
  eyes.
• 32:49
  But
• 32:49
  then
• 32:49
  there
• 32:50
  was
• 32:50
  also
• 32:50
  the
• 32:50
  people
• 32:50
  who
• 32:50
  were
• 32:51
  like,
• 32:51
  I
• 32:51
  just
• 32:51
  kind
• 32:52
  of
• 32:52
  really
• 32:52
  like
• 32:52
  looking
• 32:52
  at
• 32:52
  femshep,
• 32:53
  you
• 32:53
  know?
• 32:54
  So,
• 32:54
  like,
• 32:54
  when
• 32:55
  we're
• 32:55
  talking
• 32:55
  about,
• 32:55
  like,
• 32:55
  demonic
• 32:56
  intellic
• 32:56
  sense,
• 32:57
  is
• 32:57
  that
• 32:57
  kind
• 32:57
  of
• 32:57
  how
• 32:57
  you
• 32:57
  would
• 32:57
  look
• 32:58
  at
• 32:58
  that?
• 32:58
  Like,
• 32:58
  there's
• 32:58
  the
• 32:59
  ability
• 32:59
  to
• 32:59
  play
• 32:59
  as
• 33:00
  the
• 33:00
  ground
• 33:00
  of
• 33:00
  being,
• 33:00
  see
• 33:01
  the
• 33:01
  art
• 33:01
  for
• 33:01
  what
• 33:01
  it
• 33:01
  is,
• 33:02
  or
• 33:02
  to
• 33:03
  really
• 33:03
  kind
• 33:03
  of
• 33:03
  turn
• 33:03
  it
• 33:04
  into
• 33:04
  objectifying,
• 33:06
  I
• 33:06
  guess
• 33:06
  maybe
• 33:06
  is
• 33:06
  the
• 33:06
  right
• 33:06
  word.
• 33:07
  Yeah,
• 33:07
  that's
• 33:07
  what
• 33:07
  I
• 33:07
  mean
• 33:08
  by.
• 33:08
  That's
• 33:09
  what
• 33:09
  I
• 33:09
  mean
• 33:09
  by
• 33:09
  playing
• 33:09
  is
• 33:10
  good
• 33:10
  faith.
• 33:10
  Like,
• 33:11
  you
• 33:11
  got
• 33:11
  to
• 33:11
  play
• 33:11
  the
• 33:11
  game
• 33:11
  in
• 33:12
  good
• 33:12
  faith.
• 33:12
  And
• 33:12
  that's
• 33:12
  when,
• 33:13
  like,
• 33:14
  Tillik
• 33:15
  uses
• 33:15
  demonic.
• 33:16
  But
• 33:16
  it's
• 33:16
  really
• 33:16
  just
• 33:16
  opaque
• 33:17
  or,
• 33:19
  like,
• 33:19
  shining
• 33:19
  right
• 33:20
  through,
• 33:20
  like,
• 33:20
  a
• 33:21
  freshly
• 33:21
  cleaned
• 33:22
  window.
• 33:23
  So
• 33:24
  it's
• 33:24
  like,
• 33:25
  you're
• 33:25
  not.
• 33:27
  You're
• 33:27
  not
• 33:27
  playing
• 33:28
  as
• 33:29
  the
• 33:29
  ground
• 33:29
  of
• 33:30
  being.
• 33:30
  It's
• 33:30
  just
• 33:30
  like
• 33:31
  in
• 33:31
  this
• 33:31
  experience
• 33:32
  it's
• 33:32
  breaking
• 33:32
  through
• 33:33
  and
• 33:34
  manifesting
• 33:35
  in
• 33:35
  personal
• 33:35
  confidence,
• 33:36
  changing
• 33:37
  your
• 33:37
  behavior
• 33:37
  towards
• 33:37
  others.
• 33:39
  But
• 33:39
  it's.
• 33:40
  It's
• 33:40
  just
• 33:40
  playing
• 33:40
  in
• 33:42
  good
• 33:42
  faith.
• 33:43
  But
• 33:43
  there's.
• 33:43
  There's
• 33:44
  games
• 33:44
  that.
• 33:45
  So
• 33:45
  there's
• 33:46
  this
• 33:46
  kind
• 33:46
  of
• 33:46
  makes
• 33:46
  me
• 33:46
  think
• 33:47
  of
• 33:47
  a
• 33:47
  better
• 33:47
  answer
• 33:47
  to
• 33:48
  tailor
• 33:48
  your
• 33:48
  question
• 33:49
  about
• 33:49
  playing
• 33:49
  as
• 33:50
  others.
• 33:51
  So
• 33:51
  you're
• 33:51
  not
• 33:51
  just
• 33:51
  having
• 33:52
  an
• 33:52
  experience
• 33:52
  of
• 33:52
  encountering
• 33:53
  others
• 33:53
  in
• 33:53
  games.
• 33:54
  You're
• 33:54
  actually,
• 33:54
  you
• 33:54
  know,
• 33:55
  you
• 33:55
  can
• 33:55
  play
• 33:55
  as
• 33:55
  people.
• 33:55
  Quite
• 33:56
  unlike
• 33:56
  you.
• 33:58
  I'm
• 33:58
  going
• 33:58
  to.
• 33:59
  I'm
• 34:00
  going
• 34:00
  to
• 34:00
  spoil
• 34:00
  the
• 34:01
  ending
• 34:01
  of
• 34:01
  Near
• 34:01
  Automata.
• 34:02
  It's
• 34:02
  quite
• 34:02
  old
• 34:03
  by
• 34:03
  now,
• 34:03
  but
• 34:03
  it's
• 34:04
  like
• 34:04
  a
• 34:04
  perfect
• 34:04
  example
• 34:05
  of
• 34:05
  something
• 34:06
  I
• 34:06
  think
• 34:06
  is
• 34:06
  important
• 34:06
  to
• 34:07
  say.
• 34:08
  So
• 34:08
  we're
• 34:09
  in
• 34:09
  an
• 34:09
  academic
• 34:09
  ish
• 34:10
  context.
• 34:11
  Whatever
• 34:11
  Trips
• 34:12
  thing
• 34:12
  is,
• 34:12
  academic
• 34:13
  ish
• 34:13
  is
• 34:15
  we
• 34:15
  were
• 34:15
  in
• 34:15
  grad
• 34:16
  school
• 34:16
  at
• 34:16
  the
• 34:16
  same
• 34:16
  time.
• 34:16
  I
• 34:16
  can
• 34:17
  call
• 34:17
  them
• 34:17
  that.
• 34:17
  And
• 34:17
  sure.
• 34:19
  Ending
• 34:20
  of
• 34:20
  Near
• 34:20
  Automata,
• 34:21
  it's
• 34:22
  this
• 34:22
  really
• 34:22
  difficult.
• 34:23
  You're
• 34:23
  kind
• 34:23
  of.
• 34:25
  It's
• 34:25
  like
• 34:26
  a
• 34:26
  shoot
• 34:26
  em
• 34:26
  up
• 34:27
  and
• 34:27
  your
• 34:27
  character
• 34:28
  is
• 34:28
  flying
• 34:28
  as
• 34:28
  a
• 34:29
  ship
• 34:29
  through
• 34:29
  the
• 34:29
  ending
• 34:30
  credit
• 34:30
  scene
• 34:31
  and
• 34:31
  you're
• 34:32
  just
• 34:32
  shooting
• 34:32
  bullets
• 34:33
  and
• 34:33
  these
• 34:33
  enemies
• 34:34
  just
• 34:34
  keep
• 34:34
  flooding
• 34:35
  the
• 34:35
  screen.
• 34:35
  And
• 34:35
  it's
• 34:35
  like
• 34:36
  way
• 34:36
  too
• 34:36
  many.
• 34:37
  And
• 34:38
  these
• 34:39
  ships
• 34:40
  come
• 34:40
  in
• 34:40
  from
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  side
• 34:41
  of
• 34:41
  the
• 34:41
  screen
• 34:42
  and
• 34:42
  start
• 34:42
  taking
• 34:43
  them
• 34:43
  all
• 34:43
  out
• 34:43
  for
• 34:43
  you
• 34:43
  as
• 34:44
  the
• 34:44
  credits
• 34:44
  are
• 34:44
  playing.
• 34:45
  And
• 34:45
  you
• 34:45
  actually,
• 34:45
  you
• 34:46
  have
• 34:46
  to
• 34:46
  play
• 34:46
  the
• 34:46
  game
• 34:46
  like
• 34:47
  five
• 34:47
  times
• 34:47
  to
• 34:47
  get
• 34:48
  to
• 34:48
  this
• 34:48
  real
• 34:48
  ending,
• 34:48
  but
• 34:49
  it
• 34:49
  gets
• 34:49
  shorter
• 34:50
  each
• 34:50
  time.
• 34:52
  They
• 34:52
  basically
• 34:53
  save
• 34:53
  you.
• 34:54
  And
• 34:55
  you
• 34:55
  get
• 34:55
  to
• 34:55
  the
• 34:55
  end
• 34:55
  of
• 34:55
  the
• 34:56
  game
• 34:56
  and
• 34:56
  it
• 34:57
  says,
• 34:57
  do
• 34:57
  you
• 34:58
  want
• 34:58
  to
• 35:00
  help
• 35:00
  others?
• 35:02
  So
• 35:02
  it
• 35:02
  reveals
• 35:02
  to
• 35:03
  you
• 35:03
  that
• 35:03
  was
• 35:03
  real
• 35:04
  people's
• 35:04
  like
• 35:05
  character.
• 35:05
  They
• 35:06
  played
• 35:06
  the
• 35:06
  game
• 35:06
  and
• 35:07
  finished
• 35:07
  it.
• 35:08
  And
• 35:09
  that
• 35:09
  was.
• 35:09
  That
• 35:10
  was
• 35:10
  other
• 35:10
  people
• 35:10
  who
• 35:10
  played
• 35:11
  the
• 35:11
  game
• 35:11
  coming
• 35:11
  to
• 35:11
  your
• 35:12
  rescue.
• 35:13
  And
• 35:13
  to
• 35:14
  make
• 35:14
  your
• 35:16
  like
• 35:17
  you're
• 35:17
  going
• 35:17
  to
• 35:17
  help
• 35:17
  other
• 35:18
  people.
• 35:18
  It
• 35:19
  says,
• 35:19
  do
• 35:20
  you
• 35:20
  want
• 35:20
  to
• 35:20
  do
• 35:20
  that?
• 35:20
  And
• 35:21
  if
• 35:21
  so
• 35:21
  we're
• 35:21
  going
• 35:21
  to
• 35:22
  delete
• 35:22
  your
• 35:22
  save
• 35:22
  file.
• 35:24
  So
• 35:24
  you're
• 35:25
  going
• 35:25
  to
• 35:25
  sacrifice
• 35:26
  yourself
• 35:27
  to
• 35:27
  help
• 35:28
  these
• 35:28
  other
• 35:28
  people.
• 35:29
  So
• 35:29
  it
• 35:29
  really.
• 35:31
  It
• 35:31
  puts
• 35:31
  you
• 35:31
  in
• 35:32
  the.
• 35:32
  Like,
• 35:32
  it
• 35:33
  puts
• 35:33
  you
• 35:33
  in
• 35:33
  the
• 35:33
  position
• 35:34
  of
• 35:34
  the
• 35:34
  other
• 35:34
  at
• 35:35
  that
• 35:35
  moment.
• 35:35
  Like
• 35:36
  you
• 35:36
  would
• 35:36
  not
• 35:36
  have
• 35:37
  beaten
• 35:37
  the
• 35:37
  game.
• 35:37
  It
• 35:38
  was
• 35:38
  very
• 35:38
  clear,
• 35:38
  like
• 35:38
  you're
• 35:38
  going
• 35:39
  to
• 35:39
  die
• 35:39
  if
• 35:39
  these
• 35:39
  other
• 35:39
  ships
• 35:40
  don't
• 35:40
  come
• 35:40
  in.
• 35:42
  So
• 35:42
  they
• 35:42
  did
• 35:42
  for
• 35:43
  you.
• 35:43
  Now
• 35:43
  what
• 35:43
  are
• 35:43
  you
• 35:43
  going
• 35:44
  to
• 35:44
  do
• 35:44
  for
• 35:44
  them?
• 35:44
  And
• 35:44
  it
• 35:45
  really,
• 35:45
  like
• 35:45
  the
• 35:45
  game's
• 35:46
  not
• 35:46
  about
• 35:46
  you
• 35:46
  at
• 35:46
  that
• 35:46
  point
• 35:47
  and
• 35:47
  it's
• 35:47
  all
• 35:47
  about
• 35:47
  the
• 35:47
  others.
• 35:48
  So
• 35:48
  I
• 35:48
  absolutely
• 35:49
  deleted
• 35:49
  my
• 35:49
  save
• 35:50
  file.
• 35:50
  And
• 35:50
  it's
• 35:51
  one
• 35:51
  of
• 35:51
  the
• 35:51
  most
• 35:52
  beautiful
• 35:52
  endings
• 35:53
  of
• 35:53
  a
• 35:54
  game.
• 35:54
  It
• 35:55
  also
• 35:55
  has
• 35:55
  an
• 35:55
  existentialist
• 35:56
  robot
• 35:56
  in
• 35:56
  the
• 35:56
  game.
• 35:57
  So
• 35:57
  you
• 35:57
  should
• 35:57
  play
• 35:57
  it
• 35:57
  for
• 35:57
  that
• 35:57
  reason,
• 35:58
  too.
• 35:59
  Yeah,
• 35:59
  I.
• 36:00
  It's
• 36:01
  so
• 36:01
  funny
• 36:01
  because
• 36:01
  I
• 36:01
  feel
• 36:01
  like
• 36:01
  a
• 36:01
  lot
• 36:02
  of
• 36:02
  people
• 36:02
  hear
• 36:02
  that,
• 36:02
  like,
• 36:02
  okay,
• 36:03
  you
• 36:03
  delete
• 36:03
  your
• 36:03
  save
• 36:03
  file.
• 36:04
  But,
• 36:04
  like,
• 36:04
  my,
• 36:05
  like,
• 36:05
  I'm,
• 36:05
  like,
• 36:05
  obsessive.
• 36:06
  I
• 36:06
  still
• 36:07
  have,
• 36:07
  like,
• 36:07
  my
• 36:07
  original
• 36:08
  PlayStation
• 36:08
  2.
• 36:09
  Just
• 36:09
  because
• 36:09
  there
• 36:09
  is
• 36:09
  a
• 36:09
  save
• 36:10
  file
• 36:10
  on
• 36:10
  there
• 36:11
  where
• 36:11
  I
• 36:11
  have
• 36:11
  sora
• 36:12
  at
• 36:12
  level
• 36:12
  99
• 36:13
  on
• 36:13
  the
• 36:13
  original
• 36:13
  Kingdom
• 36:14
  Hearts.
• 36:14
  And
• 36:14
  I'm
• 36:14
  like,
• 36:14
  I'm
• 36:15
  not
• 36:15
  touching
• 36:15
  that.
• 36:15
  That
• 36:16
  save
• 36:16
  file
• 36:16
  will
• 36:16
  exist
• 36:17
  forever.
• 36:18
  That
• 36:18
  save
• 36:18
  file
• 36:18
  was,
• 36:19
  like,
• 36:19
  easily
• 36:20
  65,
• 36:20
  70
• 36:21
  hours.
• 36:21
  God.
• 36:22
  Yeah,
• 36:23
  that's
• 36:23
  tough.
• 36:24
  Sacred.
• 36:24
  Yeah,
• 36:25
  Sacred
• 36:25
  saved
• 36:26
  files.
• 36:27
  That's
• 36:27
  the
• 36:28
  name
• 36:28
  of
• 36:28
  this
• 36:29
  talk.
• 36:31
  I
• 36:31
  had
• 36:32
  some
• 36:32
  other
• 36:32
  video
• 36:32
  game
• 36:32
  specific
• 36:33
  stuff,
• 36:33
  but
• 36:34
  I
• 36:34
  want
• 36:35
  to
• 36:35
  leave
• 36:35
  time
• 36:35
  for
• 36:35
  audience
• 36:36
  questions,
• 36:36
  too.
• 36:37
  So
• 36:37
  to
• 36:37
  help
• 36:37
  us
• 36:38
  figure
• 36:38
  out
• 36:38
  which
• 36:38
  questions
• 36:39
  we
• 36:39
  want
• 36:39
  to
• 36:39
  ask,
• 36:40
  could
• 36:40
  you
• 36:40
  guys
• 36:40
  just
• 36:40
  maybe
• 36:41
  shout
• 36:41
  out
• 36:41
  some
• 36:41
  games
• 36:41
  that
• 36:41
  y'all
• 36:42
  play
• 36:42
  so
• 36:42
  we
• 36:42
  know,
• 36:43
  like,
• 36:43
  we're
• 36:43
  not
• 36:43
  just
• 36:43
  talking
• 36:43
  about
• 36:43
  stuff
• 36:44
  that
• 36:44
  y'all
• 36:44
  care
• 36:45
  about?
• 36:45
  Yeah.
• 36:45
  It
• 36:46
  is
• 36:46
  going
• 36:46
  to
• 36:46
  be
• 36:46
  a
• 36:46
  video
• 36:46
  game
• 36:47
  podcast,
• 36:47
  so
• 36:47
  we
• 36:47
  are
• 36:47
  not
• 36:48
  doing
• 36:48
  that
• 36:49
  unless
• 36:49
  we
• 36:49
  say
• 36:49
  what
• 36:49
  we've
• 36:49
  been
• 36:50
  playing
• 36:50
  lately.
• 36:50
  Right?
• 36:50
  Yeah.
• 36:50
  I
• 36:51
  mean,
• 36:51
  that's.
• 36:51
  That's
• 36:51
  fair.
• 36:52
  Anybody
• 36:52
  have
• 36:53
  any
• 36:53
  games
• 36:53
  they've
• 36:53
  been
• 36:53
  playing
• 36:53
  lately
• 36:54
  or
• 36:54
  just
• 36:54
  your
• 36:54
  favorite
• 36:55
  games
• 36:55
  you
• 36:55
  want
• 36:55
  to
• 36:55
  shout
• 36:55
  out?
• 37:01
  What
• 37:01
  game
• 37:01
  is
• 37:02
  that?
• 37:02
  Just
• 37:03
  Roguelites.
• 37:04
  Just
• 37:04
  the
• 37:04
  genre
• 37:04
  of
• 37:05
  game.
• 37:05
  Okay.
• 37:06
  Incremental
• 37:07
  progress
• 37:08
  and
• 37:09
  constantly
• 37:10
  starting
• 37:10
  over.
• 37:11
  Ah,
• 37:12
  yeah,
• 37:13
  yeah.
• 37:15
  Hades.
• 37:16
  Hades.
• 37:17
  All
• 37:17
  right,
• 37:17
  cool.
• 37:19
  Elysium.
• 37:25
  That's
• 37:25
  for
• 37:25
  the
• 37:26
  Matrix
• 37:26
  talk.
• 37:27
  We
• 37:27
  actually
• 37:28
  have
• 37:28
  to
• 37:28
  exit
• 37:28
  the
• 37:28
  Matrix
• 37:29
  before
• 37:29
  we
• 37:29
  have
• 37:29
  that
• 37:29
  conversation.
• 37:33
  You're
• 37:34
  not
• 37:34
  supposed
• 37:34
  to
• 37:34
  ask
• 37:34
  that.
• 37:36
  Any
• 37:37
  others?
• 37:37
  I
• 37:37
  know
• 37:37
  we
• 37:37
  got
• 37:38
  Galaga.
• 37:38
  Will
• 37:39
  likes
• 37:39
  Galaga.
• 37:42
  Donkey
• 37:42
  Kong.
• 37:43
  Persona.
• 37:44
  Persona.
• 37:45
  The
• 37:45
  Witcher.
• 37:46
  Okay.
• 37:46
  Yeah,
• 37:46
  Witcher's.
• 37:47
  Witcher's
• 37:47
  pretty
• 37:47
  cool.
• 37:48
  The
• 37:48
  Witcher's
• 37:48
  interest.
• 37:49
  So
• 37:49
  I
• 37:49
  just.
• 37:50
  I
• 37:50
  want
• 37:50
  to
• 37:50
  make
• 37:50
  a
• 37:50
  few
• 37:50
  comments.
• 37:51
  Witcher
• 37:51
  is
• 37:52
  interesting
• 37:52
  because
• 37:52
  I
• 37:52
  love
• 37:52
  the
• 37:53
  unintended
• 37:53
  consequences
• 37:55
  bit,
• 37:55
  which
• 37:55
  is
• 37:55
  like,
• 37:56
  you
• 37:56
  can
• 37:56
  choose
• 37:57
  the
• 37:57
  right
• 37:57
  thing,
• 37:57
  but
• 37:58
  the
• 37:58
  Witcher
• 37:58
  doesn't
• 37:58
  play
• 37:59
  by
• 37:59
  traditional
• 37:59
  video
• 38:00
  game
• 38:00
  rules.
• 38:00
  It's
• 38:00
  not
• 38:01
  like
• 38:03
  the
• 38:04
  first
• 38:04
  Mass
• 38:04
  Effect
• 38:05
  with
• 38:05
  the
• 38:05
  Paragon
• 38:06
  system
• 38:06
  was
• 38:07
  a
• 38:07
  little
• 38:07
  bit
• 38:07
  like
• 38:07
  this.
• 38:08
  So
• 38:08
  if
• 38:08
  you're
• 38:09
  gonna
• 38:09
  be
• 38:09
  good
• 38:09
  or
• 38:09
  bad,
• 38:10
  the
• 38:10
  choices
• 38:10
  are
• 38:11
  like,
• 38:11
  do
• 38:12
  you
• 38:12
  want
• 38:12
  to,
• 38:12
  like,
• 38:13
  save
• 38:13
  the
• 38:13
  starving
• 38:14
  children,
• 38:14
  or
• 38:14
  do
• 38:15
  you
• 38:15
  want
• 38:15
  to
• 38:15
  punt
• 38:15
  baby
• 38:16
  kittens
• 38:16
  into
• 38:16
  the
• 38:17
  blast
• 38:17
  furnace?
• 38:17
  You
• 38:18
  know,
• 38:18
  it's.
• 38:19
  Yeah,
• 38:20
  the
• 38:20
  Witcher.
• 38:22
  You
• 38:22
  feel
• 38:22
  like
• 38:22
  you
• 38:22
  do
• 38:23
  the
• 38:23
  good
• 38:23
  thing
• 38:23
  and
• 38:23
  then
• 38:23
  something
• 38:23
  terrible
• 38:24
  happens,
• 38:24
  and
• 38:24
  then,
• 38:24
  like,
• 38:25
  is
• 38:25
  your
• 38:25
  Witcher
• 38:25
  good
• 38:26
  or
• 38:26
  bad?
• 38:27
  You
• 38:27
  know,
• 38:27
  life
• 38:28
  is
• 38:28
  messy
• 38:28
  that
• 38:28
  way.
• 38:28
  Or
• 38:29
  you
• 38:29
  think
• 38:29
  you
• 38:29
  do
• 38:29
  something
• 38:30
  good
• 38:30
  and
• 38:30
  it
• 38:30
  doesn't
• 38:30
  turn
• 38:30
  out
• 38:30
  that
• 38:31
  way.
• 38:32
  I
• 38:32
  really,
• 38:33
  like,
• 38:33
  have
• 38:34
  anybody
• 38:34
  else
• 38:34
  played
• 38:34
  Undertale,
• 38:36
  so
• 38:37
  it's
• 38:37
  great
• 38:37
  because
• 38:38
  it's
• 38:38
  an
• 38:38
  RPG
• 38:38
  and
• 38:38
  it
• 38:39
  Makes
• 38:39
  you
• 38:39
  think
• 38:39
  you're
• 38:39
  supposed
• 38:40
  to
• 38:40
  battle
• 38:40
  these
• 38:40
  characters.
• 38:41
  And
• 38:41
  then
• 38:41
  it
• 38:42
  has
• 38:42
  an
• 38:42
  aha
• 38:42
  moment
• 38:43
  where
• 38:43
  it's
• 38:43
  like
• 38:43
  none
• 38:44
  of
• 38:44
  its
• 38:44
  mechanics
• 38:44
  are
• 38:45
  actually
• 38:45
  what
• 38:45
  you
• 38:45
  think.
• 38:45
  And
• 38:45
  it's
• 38:46
  basically
• 38:46
  a
• 38:46
  pacifist
• 38:48
  game,
• 38:48
  but
• 38:48
  it
• 38:48
  remembers
• 38:49
  what
• 38:49
  you
• 38:49
  did.
• 38:50
  Unless
• 38:50
  you
• 38:50
  edit
• 38:51
  the
• 38:51
  save
• 38:51
  file
• 38:52
  so
• 38:52
  you
• 38:53
  can't
• 38:53
  go
• 38:53
  back.
• 38:53
  Like,
• 38:53
  you
• 38:54
  mistreated
• 38:54
  people,
• 38:54
  you
• 38:55
  harmed
• 38:55
  them.
• 38:55
  You
• 38:56
  can
• 38:56
  restart
• 38:56
  the
• 38:57
  game,
• 38:57
  you
• 38:57
  can
• 38:58
  delete
• 38:58
  the
• 38:58
  game,
• 38:59
  but
• 38:59
  it
• 38:59
  actually
• 39:00
  hides
• 39:00
  a
• 39:00
  file
• 39:01
  on
• 39:01
  your
• 39:01
  computer.
• 39:01
  Then
• 39:02
  unless
• 39:02
  you
• 39:02
  look
• 39:02
  up
• 39:02
  where
• 39:03
  to
• 39:03
  find
• 39:03
  it,
• 39:03
  you
• 39:03
  can
• 39:04
  restart
• 39:04
  the
• 39:04
  game
• 39:04
  and
• 39:04
  it
• 39:05
  remembers
• 39:05
  what
• 39:05
  you
• 39:06
  did.
• 39:06
  Because
• 39:07
  our
• 39:07
  actions
• 39:08
  on
• 39:08
  people
• 39:08
  have
• 39:09
  lasting
• 39:09
  impacts.
• 39:09
  You
• 39:09
  can't
• 39:10
  just
• 39:10
  say,
• 39:10
  oops,
• 39:11
  I'm
• 39:11
  sorry,
• 39:11
  I
• 39:11
  didn't
• 39:11
  mean
• 39:11
  it.
• 39:11
  It's
• 39:12
  like
• 39:12
  you
• 39:12
  actually
• 39:12
  did
• 39:12
  the
• 39:12
  thing
• 39:12
  to
• 39:13
  the
• 39:13
  person.
• 39:13
  So
• 39:14
  it's
• 39:14
  an
• 39:14
  interesting
• 39:15
  play
• 39:15
  on
• 39:15
  ethics.
• 39:20
  You
• 39:20
  would
• 39:20
  suggest
• 39:20
  people
• 39:20
  have
• 39:21
  to
• 39:21
  play
• 39:21
  a
• 39:21
  game
• 39:22
  that
• 39:22
  doesn't.
• 39:23
  With
• 39:23
  any
• 39:23
  other
• 39:23
  equipment
• 39:24
  other
• 39:24
  than,
• 39:25
  like,
• 39:25
  what
• 39:26
  could
• 39:26
  you
• 39:26
  get
• 39:26
  into
• 39:26
  that
• 39:26
  doesn't
• 39:27
  require
• 39:28
  like
• 39:28
  an
• 39:28
  entire
• 39:28
  gaming
• 39:30
  chair?
• 39:37
  That
• 39:38
  was
• 39:38
  fun.
• 39:38
  Yeah.
• 39:38
  Like
• 39:39
  what?
• 39:39
  Be
• 39:39
  great
• 39:39
  like
• 39:40
  this.
• 39:42
  What
• 39:42
  could
• 39:42
  you.
• 39:42
  What
• 39:42
  could
• 39:42
  I
• 39:42
  get
• 39:43
  into
• 39:43
  that
• 39:43
  would
• 39:43
  be
• 39:43
  something
• 39:44
  fun,
• 39:44
  Something
• 39:44
  that
• 39:45
  would
• 39:45
  be
• 39:45
  like
• 39:45
  interacting
• 39:45
  with
• 39:45
  other
• 39:46
  people.
• 39:46
  Anyways,
• 39:47
  that
• 39:47
  would
• 39:47
  be
• 39:47
  my.
• 39:48
  So
• 39:49
  really
• 39:50
  look
• 39:50
  at
• 39:50
  the
• 39:51
  table
• 39:51
  of
• 39:51
  contents
• 39:52
  of
• 39:52
  my
• 39:52
  book.
• 39:53
  There's
• 39:54
  some
• 39:54
  flyers
• 39:55
  were
• 39:55
  passed
• 39:55
  out.
• 39:55
  There's
• 39:56
  a
• 39:56
  few
• 39:56
  more
• 39:56
  up
• 39:56
  here.
• 39:57
  And
• 39:58
  I
• 39:58
  focus
• 39:58
  on
• 39:58
  indie
• 39:59
  games.
• 39:59
  They're
• 40:00
  shorter,
• 40:01
  by
• 40:01
  and
• 40:01
  large,
• 40:02
  and
• 40:02
  they
• 40:03
  run
• 40:03
  on
• 40:03
  just
• 40:03
  about
• 40:04
  everything.
• 40:05
  So
• 40:05
  I
• 40:05
  mentioned
• 40:06
  Gone
• 40:06
  Home
• 40:06
  already.
• 40:06
  That'll
• 40:07
  play
• 40:07
  on
• 40:07
  a
• 40:07
  MacBook
• 40:07
  nowadays.
• 40:08
  I
• 40:09
  didn't
• 40:09
  mention
• 40:09
  papers,
• 40:10
  please.
• 40:10
  But
• 40:10
  it's
• 40:10
  a
• 40:11
  great
• 40:11
  game
• 40:11
  about
• 40:12
  immigration
• 40:14
  that
• 40:14
  makes
• 40:15
  it
• 40:15
  ethically
• 40:16
  complex
• 40:17
  and
• 40:17
  doesn't
• 40:17
  give
• 40:18
  easy
• 40:19
  progressive
• 40:20
  religious
• 40:21
  answers
• 40:22
  because
• 40:22
  it
• 40:22
  shows
• 40:23
  care
• 40:23
  for
• 40:23
  the
• 40:23
  border
• 40:24
  patrol
• 40:24
  officers
• 40:24
  too,
• 40:25
  because
• 40:25
  they
• 40:25
  have
• 40:25
  families
• 40:25
  that
• 40:26
  need
• 40:26
  to
• 40:26
  be
• 40:26
  taken
• 40:26
  care
• 40:26
  of.
• 40:27
  And
• 40:28
  if
• 40:28
  they
• 40:28
  don't
• 40:28
  do
• 40:28
  their
• 40:29
  job,
• 40:29
  they
• 40:29
  can,
• 40:30
  like,
• 40:30
  have
• 40:30
  their
• 40:30
  pay
• 40:31
  docked.
• 40:31
  And
• 40:31
  like,
• 40:32
  they
• 40:32
  have
• 40:32
  to
• 40:32
  do
• 40:32
  it
• 40:32
  like
• 40:33
  it's
• 40:33
  their
• 40:33
  job.
• 40:33
  They
• 40:33
  got
• 40:33
  to
• 40:34
  do
• 40:34
  it
• 40:34
  then
• 40:34
  if
• 40:34
  you
• 40:34
  know,
• 40:35
  they
• 40:35
  got
• 40:35
  to
• 40:35
  live.
• 40:36
  So
• 40:36
  it's
• 40:37
  a
• 40:37
  great
• 40:37
  complex
• 40:37
  game.
• 40:38
  It'll
• 40:38
  run
• 40:38
  on
• 40:39
  anything
• 40:42
  that's
• 40:42
  going
• 40:42
  to.
• 40:43
  That
• 40:43
  wouldn't
• 40:43
  run
• 40:43
  as
• 40:43
  well.
• 40:44
  I
• 40:44
  don't
• 40:44
  think
• 40:45
  I
• 40:45
  know
• 40:45
  one
• 40:45
  that
• 40:46
  has
• 40:46
  absolutely
• 40:46
  nothing
• 40:46
  to
• 40:47
  do
• 40:47
  with
• 40:47
  anything
• 40:47
  we're
• 40:47
  talking
• 40:48
  about,
• 40:48
  but
• 40:48
  it's
• 40:48
  fun
• 40:49
  as
• 40:49
  hell.
• 40:50
  I
• 40:50
  want
• 40:50
  to
• 40:51
  be
• 40:51
  the
• 40:51
  guy.
• 40:52
  It
• 40:52
  is
• 40:54
  impossibly
• 40:54
  difficult,
• 40:55
  and
• 40:55
  for
• 40:55
  some
• 40:55
  reason
• 40:56
  that's
• 40:56
  what
• 40:56
  makes
• 40:56
  it
• 40:56
  fun.
• 40:57
  And
• 40:58
  I
• 40:58
  think
• 40:58
  everybody
• 40:59
  should
• 40:59
  at
• 40:59
  least
• 40:59
  play
• 40:59
  it
• 41:00
  some.
• 41:00
  Cause
• 41:01
  if
• 41:01
  you
• 41:01
  do
• 41:02
  get
• 41:02
  to
• 41:02
  be
• 41:02
  the
• 41:02
  one
• 41:02
  person,
• 41:03
  one
• 41:03
  of
• 41:03
  the
• 41:03
  few
• 41:04
  that
• 41:04
  actually
• 41:04
  make
• 41:04
  it
• 41:04
  all
• 41:04
  the
• 41:04
  way
• 41:04
  through,
• 41:05
  you're
• 41:05
  like,
• 41:05
  I'm
• 41:06
  the
• 41:06
  guy.
• 41:07
  There's
• 41:07
  something
• 41:07
  about
• 41:08
  that,
• 41:08
  you
• 41:08
  know,
• 41:10
  before
• 41:10
  we
• 41:10
  do
• 41:10
  like
• 41:10
  open
• 41:11
  up
• 41:11
  to
• 41:11
  like
• 41:11
  regular.
• 41:12
  I
• 41:12
  want
• 41:12
  to
• 41:12
  be
• 41:12
  the
• 41:12
  guy.
• 41:12
  Oh,
• 41:13
  I
• 41:13
  want
• 41:13
  to
• 41:13
  be
• 41:13
  the
• 41:13
  guy.
• 41:13
  It's
• 41:13
  great.
• 41:14
  Apples
• 41:15
  will
• 41:15
  fly,
• 41:16
  will
• 41:16
  fall
• 41:17
  up
• 41:17
  from
• 41:17
  a
• 41:17
  tree
• 41:17
  to
• 41:18
  kill
• 41:18
  you.
• 41:18
  Just
• 41:18
  because.
• 41:19
  Can
• 41:19
  I
• 41:19
  make
• 41:19
  one
• 41:19
  more
• 41:20
  specific
• 41:20
  suggestion?
• 41:20
  Yeah.
• 41:21
  So
• 41:21
  you
• 41:21
  played
• 41:21
  D
• 41:21
  and
• 41:21
  D
• 41:22
  for
• 41:22
  the
• 41:22
  first
• 41:22
  time.
• 41:23
  Go
• 41:24
  to
• 41:24
  the
• 41:24
  website.
• 41:24
  Good
• 41:25
  old
• 41:25
  games.
• 41:25
  So
• 41:26
  gog.com
• 41:28
  get
• 41:28
  the
• 41:28
  original
• 41:29
  Baldur's
• 41:29
  Gate.
• 41:30
  Get
• 41:30
  the
• 41:30
  original
• 41:30
  Icewind
• 41:31
  Dale.
• 41:32
  Get
• 41:32
  Baldur's
• 41:32
  Gate
• 41:33
  2
• 41:33
  after
• 41:33
  you've
• 41:33
  played
• 41:33
  Baldur's
• 41:34
  Gate.
• 41:34
  Kotar.
• 41:35
  They're
• 41:35
  all
• 41:35
  enhanced
• 41:36
  editions
• 41:36
  now,
• 41:37
  but
• 41:37
  go
• 41:38
  to
• 41:38
  gog.com
• 41:38
  and
• 41:39
  get
• 41:39
  those.
• 41:40
  Yeah,
• 41:40
  Kotar's
• 41:42
  on
• 41:42
  everything
• 41:42
  these
• 41:43
  days
• 41:43
  too.
• 41:43
  You
• 41:43
  could
• 41:43
  even
• 41:43
  get
• 41:44
  that
• 41:44
  on
• 41:44
  your
• 41:44
  phone
• 41:44
  now.
• 41:45
  Knights
• 41:45
  of
• 41:45
  the
• 41:45
  Old
• 41:45
  Republic.
• 41:46
  So
• 41:46
  it's
• 41:46
  Star
• 41:47
  wars
• 41:48
  open
• 41:48
  world.
• 41:49
  Ish.
• 41:49
  I
• 41:49
  guess.
• 41:50
  Rpg.
• 41:50
  I
• 41:50
  don't
• 41:51
  know.
• 41:51
  I
• 41:51
  don't
• 41:51
  know
• 41:51
  how
• 41:51
  you
• 41:51
  say
• 41:51
  that.
• 41:52
  It's
• 41:52
  a
• 41:52
  little
• 41:53
  bit
• 41:53
  older,
• 41:53
  but
• 41:53
  it's
• 41:53
  good.
• 41:53
  I
• 41:53
  think
• 41:53
  they're
• 41:54
  doing
• 41:54
  remakes
• 41:54
  soon.
• 41:57
  Yeah,
• 41:58
  that's
• 41:58
  good.
• 42:00
  Yeah.
• 42:01
  So
• 42:02
  I
• 42:02
  had
• 42:03
  just
• 42:03
  one
• 42:03
  more
• 42:03
  I
• 42:03
  want
• 42:03
  to
• 42:04
  ask
• 42:04
  before
• 42:04
  we
• 42:04
  do
• 42:04
  like
• 42:04
  audience
• 42:05
  questions.
• 42:05
  Yes,
• 42:05
  I
• 42:05
  do
• 42:06
  want
• 42:06
  to
• 42:06
  get
• 42:06
  to
• 42:07
  audience
• 42:07
  Q
• 42:07
  and
• 42:07
  A.
• 42:07
  So
• 42:08
  I'm
• 42:08
  just.
• 42:08
  Yes.
• 42:08
  This
• 42:08
  is
• 42:08
  the
• 42:08
  last
• 42:09
  one.
• 42:09
  It's
• 42:09
  sort
• 42:09
  of
• 42:09
  been
• 42:09
  evident
• 42:10
  I'm
• 42:10
  not
• 42:10
  just
• 42:10
  giving
• 42:10
  a
• 42:10
  talk,
• 42:10
  it's
• 42:11
  a
• 42:11
  conversation.
• 42:12
  Yeah,
• 42:12
  yeah,
• 42:12
  yeah,
• 42:12
  yeah.
• 42:13
  So
• 42:14
  I'm
• 42:14
  thinking
• 42:14
  of
• 42:14
  like,
• 42:15
  I
• 42:15
  have
• 42:15
  three
• 42:15
  games
• 42:15
  in
• 42:15
  mind
• 42:16
  as
• 42:16
  like
• 42:16
  examples
• 42:16
  here
• 42:16
  for
• 42:16
  this.
• 42:17
  But
• 42:17
  so
• 42:18
  Call
• 42:18
  of
• 42:18
  Duty,
• 42:18
  Ratchet
• 42:19
  and
• 42:19
  Clank.
• 42:20
  And
• 42:20
  then
• 42:21
  I'm
• 42:21
  thinking
• 42:21
  of
• 42:22
  the
• 42:22
  Shadow
• 42:23
  of
• 42:23
  Mordor.
• 42:24
  So
• 42:25
  all
• 42:25
  of
• 42:25
  these
• 42:25
  games
• 42:26
  enemies
• 42:26
  will
• 42:27
  interact
• 42:27
  with
• 42:27
  you,
• 42:27
  they'll
• 42:28
  talk
• 42:28
  back.
• 42:28
  They
• 42:28
  have
• 42:28
  like
• 42:28
  real
• 42:29
  personalities.
• 42:30
  Is
• 42:30
  there
• 42:30
  an
• 42:31
  ethical
• 42:31
  difference
• 42:32
  in
• 42:32
  your
• 42:32
  mind,
• 42:32
  like
• 42:32
  thinking
• 42:33
  of
• 42:33
  like
• 42:33
  the
• 42:33
  other,
• 42:33
  all
• 42:34
  that
• 42:34
  stuff
• 42:34
  when
• 42:34
  you're
• 42:35
  killing
• 42:35
  an
• 42:35
  ogre
• 42:36
  as
• 42:36
  opposed
• 42:36
  to
• 42:36
  a
• 42:36
  fellow
• 42:36
  human
• 42:37
  as
• 42:37
  opposed
• 42:37
  to
• 42:37
  like
• 42:38
  in
• 42:38
  Ratchet,
• 42:38
  Clank,
• 42:38
  the
• 42:39
  whole
• 42:39
  storyline
• 42:39
  is
• 42:40
  robots
• 42:41
  are
• 42:42
  better
• 42:42
  than
• 42:42
  organic
• 42:43
  matter.
• 42:43
  So
• 42:43
  we
• 42:43
  kill
• 42:43
  robots,
• 42:44
  but
• 42:44
  we
• 42:44
  don't
• 42:44
  kill
• 42:44
  the
• 42:44
  organics.
• 42:45
  So
• 42:45
  it's
• 42:45
  like
• 42:46
  there
• 42:46
  an
• 42:46
  ethical
• 42:47
  difference
• 42:47
  when
• 42:47
  the
• 42:47
  other
• 42:48
  is
• 42:48
  a
• 42:48
  robot
• 42:48
  if
• 42:48
  it
• 42:48
  still
• 42:49
  has
• 42:49
  the
• 42:49
  same
• 42:49
  personality
• 42:50
  even
• 42:50
  if
• 42:50
  it's
• 42:50
  in
• 42:50
  a
• 42:50
  game.
• 42:56
  Well,
• 42:56
  there's
• 42:57
  first
• 42:58
  Call
• 42:58
  of
• 42:58
  Duty.
• 42:59
  There's
• 43:00
  been
• 43:00
  an
• 43:00
  ethical
• 43:00
  difference
• 43:00
  in
• 43:01
  Call
• 43:01
  of
• 43:01
  Duty
• 43:01
  just
• 43:02
  over
• 43:02
  the
• 43:02
  past
• 43:03
  decade
• 43:03
  and
• 43:03
  a
• 43:03
  half.
• 43:05
  It
• 43:05
  was
• 43:05
  guaranteed
• 43:06
  if
• 43:06
  you
• 43:06
  were
• 43:06
  playing
• 43:06
  a
• 43:06
  first
• 43:06
  person
• 43:07
  shooter
• 43:07
  in
• 43:08
  the
• 43:08
  early
• 43:08
  2000s,
• 43:09
  you
• 43:10
  were
• 43:10
  a
• 43:10
  white
• 43:11
  guy
• 43:11
  just
• 43:11
  mowing
• 43:11
  down
• 43:12
  black
• 43:12
  and
• 43:12
  brown
• 43:12
  people
• 43:13
  who
• 43:13
  were
• 43:13
  all
• 43:13
  the
• 43:13
  enemies.
• 43:14
  And
• 43:14
  now
• 43:15
  you
• 43:15
  actually
• 43:15
  have
• 43:16
  like
• 43:16
  multiracial,
• 43:17
  multi
• 43:18
  gender
• 43:18
  squads
• 43:20
  and
• 43:20
  who
• 43:21
  know,
• 43:21
  who
• 43:21
  knew
• 43:21
  there's
• 43:22
  innocent
• 43:22
  civilians
• 43:23
  that
• 43:23
  aren't
• 43:23
  terrorists
• 43:23
  who
• 43:24
  need
• 43:24
  to
• 43:24
  be
• 43:24
  shot.
• 43:24
  In
• 43:24
  the
• 43:24
  Middle
• 43:25
  East.
• 43:26
  So
• 43:26
  Call
• 43:26
  of
• 43:26
  Duty
• 43:27
  has
• 43:27
  done
• 43:27
  a
• 43:27
  much
• 43:27
  better
• 43:28
  job.
• 43:29
  I
• 43:29
  mean.
• 43:30
  Yes.
• 43:30
  So
• 43:31
  an
• 43:32
  orc
• 43:32
  that's
• 43:32
  trying
• 43:32
  to
• 43:33
  kill
• 43:33
  you.
• 43:33
  But
• 43:33
  it's
• 43:33
  interesting
• 43:34
  in
• 43:34
  that
• 43:35
  the
• 43:36
  Shadow,
• 43:38
  Shadow
• 43:38
  of
• 43:38
  Mordor
• 43:39
  and
• 43:40
  the
• 43:41
  sequel.
• 43:42
  Shadow
• 43:42
  was
• 43:42
  the
• 43:42
  first
• 43:43
  one,
• 43:43
  right?
• 43:43
  Yeah.
• 43:43
  Shadow
• 43:43
  of
• 43:44
  Mordor
• 43:44
  and
• 43:45
  Shadow
• 43:45
  of
• 43:45
  War.
• 43:46
  Yeah,
• 43:47
  that
• 43:47
  sounds
• 43:47
  right.
• 43:49
  I
• 43:49
  mean
• 43:49
  they
• 43:49
  give
• 43:49
  the
• 43:49
  orcs
• 43:50
  some
• 43:50
  personality.
• 43:50
  So
• 43:50
  an
• 43:51
  orc
• 43:51
  trying
• 43:51
  to
• 43:51
  kill
• 43:51
  you
• 43:51
  is
• 43:52
  an
• 43:52
  orc
• 43:52
  trying
• 43:52
  to
• 43:52
  kill
• 43:52
  you.
• 43:53
  So
• 43:53
  like
• 43:53
  life
• 43:53
  and
• 43:53
  death
• 43:54
  situations,
• 43:54
  I
• 43:54
  think
• 43:54
  you're
• 43:54
  allowed
• 43:55
  to
• 43:55
  protect
• 43:55
  yourself.
• 43:55
  But
• 43:56
  they
• 43:56
  do
• 43:56
  give
• 43:56
  them
• 43:56
  character
• 43:58
  pushback.
• 43:59
  Add
• 43:59
  on,
• 44:00
  no
• 44:00
  pushback.
• 44:01
  What
• 44:02
  came
• 44:02
  to
• 44:02
  mind
• 44:02
  when
• 44:03
  you
• 44:03
  listed
• 44:03
  those
• 44:03
  games
• 44:03
  is
• 44:04
  Helldivers.
• 44:04
  Like
• 44:05
  in
• 44:05
  Juxtaposed.
• 44:06
  Besides
• 44:06
  Call
• 44:06
  of
• 44:07
  Duty,
• 44:07
  me
• 44:07
  and
• 44:07
  Ben
• 44:07
  play
• 44:08
  Helldivers
• 44:08
  online.
• 44:09
  Right.
• 44:09
  And
• 44:09
  it's
• 44:10
  kind
• 44:10
  of
• 44:10
  like
• 44:10
  the
• 44:10
  antidote
• 44:11
  to
• 44:11
  Call
• 44:11
  of
• 44:11
  Duty.
• 44:11
  As
• 44:12
  much
• 44:12
  as
• 44:12
  I
• 44:12
  love
• 44:12
  that
• 44:12
  game
• 44:12
  where
• 44:13
  it's
• 44:13
  like,
• 44:13
  you
• 44:13
  know,
• 44:14
  there's
• 44:14
  some
• 44:14
  satire
• 44:14
  in
• 44:15
  it
• 44:15
  and
• 44:15
  you're
• 44:15
  having
• 44:15
  to
• 44:16
  kind
• 44:16
  of
• 44:16
  think
• 44:16
  about
• 44:16
  your.
• 44:17
  Yourself
• 44:17
  as
• 44:17
  a
• 44:18
  basically
• 44:18
  a
• 44:18
  space
• 44:18
  colonizer.
• 44:19
  You
• 44:19
  know.
• 44:20
  I
• 44:20
  don't
• 44:20
  know
• 44:20
  if
• 44:20
  you
• 44:20
  wanted
• 44:20
  to
• 44:20
  touch
• 44:21
  on
• 44:21
  that.
• 44:22
  Yeah,
• 44:22
  I
• 44:23
  mean
• 44:23
  it's.
• 44:24
  I
• 44:24
  find
• 44:24
  it
• 44:24
  amazing
• 44:25
  that
• 44:25
  some
• 44:25
  people
• 44:25
  don't
• 44:26
  get
• 44:26
  like
• 44:26
  that
• 44:27
  you're
• 44:27
  playing
• 44:27
  as
• 44:28
  the
• 44:28
  bad
• 44:28
  guys
• 44:28
  in
• 44:28
  this.
• 44:29
  Like
• 44:29
  you
• 44:29
  are
• 44:29
  just
• 44:29
  space.
• 44:30
  It's
• 44:30
  Starship
• 44:31
  Troopers,
• 44:31
  you're
• 44:31
  space
• 44:31
  Nazis.
• 44:34
  But
• 44:34
  yeah,
• 44:35
  like
• 44:35
  that.
• 44:37
  I
• 44:37
  mean
• 44:37
  playing
• 44:37
  as
• 44:38
  an
• 44:38
  other
• 44:38
  there
• 44:39
  is
• 44:39
  problematizing.
• 44:41
  Like
• 44:41
  it's
• 44:42
  the
• 44:43
  way
• 44:43
  I
• 44:43
  said
• 44:43
  Tillich
• 44:44
  thought
• 44:44
  of
• 44:44
  cultural
• 44:45
  moments
• 44:45
  as
• 44:45
  chirotic.
• 44:46
  Like
• 44:46
  the
• 44:47
  right
• 44:47
  time.
• 44:48
  Like
• 44:48
  it's
• 44:48
  bringing
• 44:48
  something
• 44:49
  out
• 44:49
  like
• 44:49
  that
• 44:50
  we
• 44:50
  don't
• 44:50
  talk
• 44:50
  about
• 44:51
  of
• 44:51
  like
• 44:51
  there's
• 44:52
  aspects
• 44:52
  of
• 44:52
  American
• 44:53
  empire
• 44:53
  that
• 44:53
  are
• 44:54
  very
• 44:54
  like
• 44:55
  nationalistic
• 44:56
  and
• 44:56
  even
• 44:56
  Nazi
• 44:57
  istic.
• 44:57
  If
• 44:57
  we're
• 44:57
  honest
• 44:58
  about
• 44:58
  the
• 44:58
  way
• 44:58
  we
• 44:58
  operate
• 44:58
  sometimes
• 44:59
  this
• 44:59
  video
• 45:00
  game
• 45:00
  is
• 45:00
  like.
• 45:01
  And
• 45:01
  we're
• 45:01
  proud
• 45:01
  of
• 45:02
  it.
• 45:02
  And
• 45:02
  then
• 45:02
  you're
• 45:03
  like,
• 45:03
  no,
• 45:03
  I
• 45:04
  don't
• 45:04
  like
• 45:04
  I'm
• 45:05
  having
• 45:05
  fun
• 45:05
  playing.
• 45:05
  But
• 45:06
  this
• 45:06
  like
• 45:06
  I
• 45:06
  think
• 45:06
  we're
• 45:07
  the
• 45:07
  bad
• 45:07
  guys
• 45:07
  and
• 45:07
  like
• 45:07
  yeah
• 45:08
  guys,
• 45:08
  we're
• 45:08
  the
• 45:08
  bad
• 45:08
  guys.
• 45:10
  Yeah.
• 45:12
  So
• 45:12
  playing
• 45:12
  as
• 45:12
  the
• 45:12
  other
• 45:13
  that
• 45:13
  way
• 45:13
  can.
• 45:13
  It's
• 45:14
  kind
• 45:14
  of
• 45:14
  like
• 45:14
  a
• 45:14
  form
• 45:15
  of
• 45:15
  deconstruction
• 45:16
  of
• 45:16
  problematic
• 45:17
  things
• 45:17
  that
• 45:17
  have
• 45:17
  been
• 45:17
  assumed.
• 45:19
  Yeah,
• 45:20
  yeah,
• 45:20
  yeah.
• 45:22
  Kind
• 45:23
  of
• 45:24
  where.
• 45:25
  So
• 45:25
  there's
• 45:25
  kind
• 45:25
  of
• 45:25
  the
• 45:26
  two
• 45:26
  different
• 45:26
  aspects
• 45:27
  of
• 45:27
  like
• 45:28
  you
• 45:29
  can
• 45:29
  play
• 45:29
  a
• 45:29
  game
• 45:30
  for
• 45:31
  like
• 45:32
  just
• 45:32
  the
• 45:32
  fun
• 45:32
  story
• 45:33
  and
• 45:33
  all
• 45:33
  of
• 45:34
  that.
• 45:34
  Then
• 45:34
  you
• 45:34
  all
• 45:34
  have
• 45:34
  the
• 45:35
  other
• 45:35
  side
• 45:35
  where
• 45:36
  games
• 45:37
  like
• 45:38
  that
• 45:38
  Dry
• 45:38
  Man
• 45:39
  Cancer,
• 45:39
  which
• 45:40
  is
• 45:40
  if
• 45:41
  anybody's
• 45:41
  not
• 45:41
  familiar
• 45:42
  with
• 45:42
  it,
• 45:42
  kind
• 45:42
  of
• 45:42
  a
• 45:43
  based
• 45:43
  on
• 45:43
  a
• 45:43
  true
• 45:44
  story
• 45:44
  about
• 45:44
  a
• 45:44
  family
• 45:45
  who's
• 45:46
  living
• 45:47
  their
• 45:47
  life
• 45:47
  with
• 45:48
  a
• 45:48
  four
• 45:48
  year
• 45:48
  old
• 45:49
  Wesleyan.
• 45:50
  And
• 45:50
  like
• 45:51
  it's
• 45:51
  just
• 45:52
  A
• 45:53
  really
• 45:54
  heart
• 45:54
  wrenching
• 45:55
  game,
• 45:55
  but
• 45:55
  it
• 45:56
  allows
• 45:56
  you
• 45:56
  to
• 45:56
  be
• 45:57
  and
• 45:58
  experience
• 45:59
  something
• 45:59
  that
• 46:00
  I
• 46:00
  normally
• 46:00
  wouldn't
• 46:02
  be
• 46:03
  able
• 46:03
  to
• 46:03
  experience.
• 46:04
  And
• 46:04
  so
• 46:05
  do
• 46:05
  you
• 46:05
  ever
• 46:06
  see
• 46:06
  kind
• 46:07
  of
• 46:08
  a
• 46:09
  turn
• 46:09
  to
• 46:10
  using
• 46:11
  more
• 46:12
  video
• 46:12
  games
• 46:13
  for
• 46:13
  those
• 46:14
  experiences
• 46:15
  that
• 46:15
  are
• 46:15
  in.
• 46:15
  Real
• 46:16
  life
• 46:16
  as
• 46:16
  well?
• 46:17
  So
• 46:17
  that
• 46:17
  dragon
• 46:17
  cancer
• 46:18
  is
• 46:18
  actually
• 46:19
  actively
• 46:19
  being
• 46:19
  used
• 46:20
  in
• 46:20
  some
• 46:20
  seminary
• 46:21
  classrooms
• 46:21
  for
• 46:21
  pastoral
• 46:22
  counseling
• 46:23
  to
• 46:24
  help.
• 46:24
  Because
• 46:25
  the
• 46:25
  parents
• 46:25
  of
• 46:25
  that
• 46:26
  child,
• 46:27
  the
• 46:27
  kid's
• 46:27
  name
• 46:27
  was
• 46:28
  Joel,
• 46:28
  I'm
• 46:28
  forgetting
• 46:28
  the
• 46:29
  parent's
• 46:29
  name.
• 46:30
  But
• 46:30
  they
• 46:30
  worked
• 46:31
  with
• 46:31
  the
• 46:31
  dev
• 46:32
  team
• 46:32
  to
• 46:32
  tell
• 46:32
  their
• 46:33
  story
• 46:33
  and
• 46:34
  they
• 46:34
  play
• 46:34
  with
• 46:34
  the
• 46:34
  video
• 46:35
  game
• 46:35
  space
• 46:35
  and
• 46:35
  that
• 46:36
  you
• 46:36
  can
• 46:36
  kind
• 46:36
  of
• 46:36
  do
• 46:36
  whatever
• 46:36
  with
• 46:37
  it
• 46:37
  to
• 46:37
  imagine.
• 46:38
  So
• 46:38
  they
• 46:39
  question
• 46:39
  God
• 46:39
  in
• 46:40
  the
• 46:40
  course
• 46:40
  of
• 46:40
  going
• 46:41
  through
• 46:41
  their
• 46:41
  grief.
• 46:42
  And
• 46:42
  they
• 46:42
  play
• 46:43
  with
• 46:43
  fantasy
• 46:43
  worlds
• 46:43
  of
• 46:44
  video
• 46:44
  games
• 46:44
  to
• 46:44
  think
• 46:44
  about
• 46:45
  what
• 46:45
  would
• 46:46
  it
• 46:46
  mean
• 46:46
  for
• 46:47
  our
• 46:47
  son
• 46:47
  to
• 46:47
  still
• 46:48
  have
• 46:48
  eternal
• 46:48
  meaning
• 46:49
  even
• 46:49
  though
• 46:49
  he's
• 46:50
  not
• 46:50
  with
• 46:50
  us
• 46:50
  anymore.
• 46:51
  So
• 46:52
  they
• 46:52
  kind
• 46:52
  of.
• 46:52
  It
• 46:52
  gets
• 46:53
  dark
• 46:53
  and
• 46:53
  then
• 46:54
  their
• 46:54
  dead
• 46:54
  son
• 46:55
  in
• 46:55
  the
• 46:55
  game
• 46:55
  goes
• 46:55
  on
• 46:56
  like
• 46:56
  an
• 46:56
  uplifting
• 46:57
  journey
• 46:57
  and
• 46:57
  they
• 46:58
  play
• 46:58
  with
• 46:58
  going
• 46:58
  through
• 46:58
  space,
• 47:00
  which
• 47:00
  is
• 47:00
  kind
• 47:01
  of
• 47:01
  like
• 47:02
  connects
• 47:03
  with
• 47:03
  an
• 47:03
  afterlife
• 47:04
  sort
• 47:04
  of
• 47:04
  thing.
• 47:05
  So
• 47:05
  that's
• 47:06
  being
• 47:06
  used
• 47:06
  in
• 47:06
  seminary
• 47:07
  classrooms
• 47:07
  right
• 47:07
  now.
• 47:07
  I
• 47:07
  know,
• 47:09
  but
• 47:09
  I
• 47:09
  tell
• 47:10
  people
• 47:10
  it's
• 47:10
  like
• 47:11
  this
• 47:11
  will
• 47:11
  become
• 47:11
  more
• 47:12
  common.
• 47:12
  I
• 47:12
  started
• 47:12
  off
• 47:13
  saying
• 47:13
  I'm
• 47:13
  the
• 47:13
  average
• 47:13
  age
• 47:14
  of
• 47:14
  video
• 47:14
  game
• 47:14
  players.
• 47:15
  It
• 47:15
  used
• 47:15
  to
• 47:16
  be
• 47:16
  a
• 47:16
  ridiculous
• 47:17
  notion
• 47:17
  that
• 47:18
  we
• 47:18
  would
• 47:18
  talk
• 47:18
  about
• 47:19
  theology
• 47:19
  and
• 47:20
  film
• 47:20
  or
• 47:21
  theology
• 47:21
  in
• 47:22
  TV
• 47:22
  shows.
• 47:22
  But
• 47:22
  now
• 47:23
  every
• 47:23
  seminary
• 47:24
  in
• 47:24
  the
• 47:24
  country
• 47:25
  has
• 47:25
  some
• 47:26
  class
• 47:26
  on
• 47:26
  theology
• 47:27
  and
• 47:28
  movies.
• 47:28
  Yeah,
• 47:29
  yeah,
• 47:29
  yeah.
• 47:29
  So
• 47:30
  it's
• 47:30
  the
• 47:30
  same
• 47:30
  thing
• 47:30
  in
• 47:30
  as
• 47:31
  movies
• 47:31
  in
• 47:31
  the
• 47:31
  sense
• 47:31
  that
• 47:32
  there's
• 47:32
  blockbuster
• 47:32
  movies
• 47:33
  that
• 47:33
  are
• 47:33
  not
• 47:33
  particularly
• 47:34
  meaningful
• 47:34
  and
• 47:34
  they're
• 47:35
  either
• 47:35
  fun
• 47:35
  or
• 47:35
  they're
• 47:35
  not.
• 47:36
  Like,
• 47:36
  not
• 47:36
  all
• 47:36
  video
• 47:37
  games
• 47:37
  are
• 47:37
  necessarily
• 47:38
  ripe
• 47:38
  for
• 47:38
  theological
• 47:39
  analysis.
• 47:40
  And
• 47:40
  if
• 47:40
  you
• 47:40
  have
• 47:41
  fun,
• 47:41
  that's
• 47:41
  great.
• 47:41
  And
• 47:42
  then
• 47:42
  if
• 47:42
  you
• 47:42
  don't,
• 47:42
  you
• 47:42
  don't.
• 47:43
  Yeah,
• 47:43
  yeah,
• 47:43
  yeah.
• 47:44
  Do
• 47:44
  we
• 47:44
  have
• 47:44
  any.
• 47:44
  Any
• 47:45
  other
• 47:45
  audience
• 47:46
  questions?
• 47:47
  I'll
• 47:47
  do
• 47:47
  front
• 47:48
  first.
• 47:48
  Yeah.
• 47:50
  Something
• 47:50
  I'm
• 47:50
  going
• 47:51
  back
• 47:51
  and
• 47:51
  forth.
• 47:51
  Is
• 47:51
  you
• 47:52
  talking
• 47:52
  about
• 47:53
  like
• 47:53
  part
• 47:53
  of
• 47:54
  one?
• 47:54
  The
• 47:54
  game
• 47:55
  starts
• 47:55
  off
• 47:55
  with
• 47:55
  a
• 47:55
  make
• 47:55
  your
• 47:56
  own
• 47:56
  character
• 47:56
  screen.
• 47:57
  Then
• 47:57
  after
• 47:57
  you
• 47:57
  put
• 47:57
  your
• 47:58
  character
• 47:58
  together,
• 47:58
  the
• 47:59
  game
• 47:59
  says,
• 47:59
  wow,
• 47:59
  that's
• 47:59
  incredible.
• 48:00
  But
• 48:00
  we're
• 48:00
  just
• 48:01
  going
• 48:01
  to
• 48:01
  discard
• 48:01
  that
• 48:01
  and
• 48:02
  not
• 48:02
  use
• 48:02
  that
• 48:02
  anyway.
• 48:03
  And
• 48:03
  then
• 48:03
  at
• 48:03
  the
• 48:03
  end
• 48:03
  of
• 48:03
  it,
• 48:03
  we
• 48:04
  see
• 48:04
  that
• 48:04
  the
• 48:04
  character
• 48:05
  removes
• 48:05
  the
• 48:05
  cursor
• 48:06
  that
• 48:06
  like
• 48:06
  you
• 48:07
  played.
• 48:07
  So
• 48:09
  the
• 48:09
  way
• 48:10
  you.
• 48:10
  Would
• 48:10
  you
• 48:10
  word
• 48:10
  the
• 48:10
  question
• 48:11
  just
• 48:11
  kind
• 48:11
  of
• 48:11
  as
• 48:12
  playing
• 48:13
  the
• 48:13
  game
• 48:13
  in
• 48:13
  good
• 48:13
  faith.
• 48:14
  When.
• 48:15
  How
• 48:15
  do
• 48:15
  we
• 48:15
  play
• 48:16
  a
• 48:16
  game
• 48:16
  in
• 48:16
  good
• 48:16
  faith
• 48:16
  if
• 48:17
  the
• 48:17
  game
• 48:17
  isn't
• 48:17
  trying
• 48:17
  to
• 48:18
  respect
• 48:18
  our
• 48:18
  own
• 48:18
  autonomy?
• 48:19
  Is
• 48:19
  that
• 48:19
  kind
• 48:19
  of
• 48:19
  the
• 48:19
  question?
• 48:20
  Okay,
• 48:21
  Well,
• 48:21
  I
• 48:21
  would
• 48:21
  say
• 48:21
  in
• 48:21
  some
• 48:22
  cases
• 48:22
  the
• 48:22
  games
• 48:23
  want
• 48:23
  to
• 48:23
  make
• 48:24
  you
• 48:24
  feel
• 48:24
  uncomfortable
• 48:25
  for
• 48:26
  A
• 48:26
  point.
• 48:27
  Because,
• 48:27
  like,
• 48:28
  doesn't
• 48:28
  this
• 48:29
  feel
• 48:29
  bad
• 48:29
  when
• 48:29
  you're
• 48:30
  not
• 48:30
  allowed
• 48:30
  to
• 48:30
  make
• 48:31
  this
• 48:31
  choice
• 48:32
  and
• 48:33
  your
• 48:33
  choice
• 48:34
  is
• 48:34
  discarded
• 48:35
  or
• 48:35
  eliminated?
• 48:36
  It's
• 48:37
  kind
• 48:37
  of
• 48:37
  a
• 48:37
  negative
• 48:37
  version
• 48:38
  of
• 48:38
  the
• 48:38
  end
• 48:38
  of
• 48:39
  Automata
• 48:40
  where
• 48:40
  it's
• 48:40
  trying
• 48:40
  to
• 48:40
  make
• 48:40
  you
• 48:41
  think
• 48:41
  about
• 48:42
  the
• 48:42
  other
• 48:42
  person's
• 48:42
  position,
• 48:43
  but
• 48:44
  in
• 48:44
  a
• 48:44
  negative
• 48:44
  sense.
• 48:45
  Wouldn't
• 48:45
  this
• 48:46
  suck
• 48:46
  if
• 48:46
  you
• 48:46
  were
• 48:47
  doing
• 48:47
  this
• 48:47
  to
• 48:47
  other
• 48:48
  people?
• 48:48
  But
• 48:48
  we're
• 48:48
  going
• 48:48
  to
• 48:48
  do
• 48:49
  it
• 48:49
  to
• 48:49
  you
• 48:49
  and
• 48:49
  you
• 48:49
  don't
• 48:49
  have
• 48:49
  a
• 48:49
  choice.
• 48:50
  But
• 48:51
  that's
• 48:51
  also
• 48:51
  the
• 48:51
  real
• 48:52
  world
• 48:52
  where
• 48:52
  some
• 48:53
  people,
• 48:53
  like,
• 48:53
  don't
• 48:54
  have
• 48:54
  choices.
• 48:54
  So
• 48:55
  the
• 48:55
  being
• 48:55
  uncomfortable.
• 48:57
  It's
• 48:57
  October.
• 48:59
  I
• 48:59
  love
• 49:00
  kind
• 49:00
  of
• 49:01
  artsy,
• 49:01
  meaningful
• 49:01
  horror
• 49:02
  movies
• 49:03
  because
• 49:04
  they
• 49:04
  make
• 49:04
  us
• 49:05
  look
• 49:05
  at
• 49:05
  the
• 49:05
  parts
• 49:05
  of
• 49:06
  life
• 49:06
  that
• 49:06
  theologians
• 49:07
  tend
• 49:07
  to
• 49:07
  not
• 49:07
  want
• 49:08
  to
• 49:08
  talk
• 49:08
  about
• 49:08
  because
• 49:08
  they
• 49:08
  want
• 49:08
  to
• 49:09
  think
• 49:09
  about
• 49:10
  meaningful
• 49:10
  things.
• 49:11
  And
• 49:11
  they
• 49:11
  make
• 49:11
  us
• 49:12
  think
• 49:12
  about
• 49:12
  like,
• 49:13
  my
• 49:13
  life
• 49:13
  being
• 49:14
  taken
• 49:14
  away,
• 49:15
  whether
• 49:15
  it's
• 49:16
  too
• 49:16
  soon
• 49:16
  and
• 49:16
  like,
• 49:17
  what
• 49:17
  did
• 49:17
  I
• 49:17
  waste
• 49:17
  my
• 49:18
  time
• 49:18
  on?
• 49:19
  Like,
• 49:19
  they
• 49:20
  make
• 49:20
  us
• 49:20
  look
• 49:20
  at
• 49:20
  dark
• 49:21
  aspects
• 49:21
  of
• 49:21
  life
• 49:22
  that
• 49:22
  are
• 49:22
  real
• 49:23
  but
• 49:23
  we
• 49:23
  don't
• 49:23
  talk
• 49:24
  about
• 49:24
  enough.
• 49:25
  But
• 49:25
  maybe
• 49:25
  we
• 49:26
  should.
• 49:26
  So
• 49:26
  I
• 49:26
  think
• 49:26
  of
• 49:26
  deltarune
• 49:27
  and
• 49:27
  some
• 49:29
  part
• 49:29
  of
• 49:29
  Papers,
• 49:29
  please.
• 49:30
  The.
• 49:30
  The
• 49:31
  game
• 49:31
  pushes
• 49:31
  back
• 49:31
  a
• 49:32
  little
• 49:32
  bit
• 49:32
  in
• 49:33
  the
• 49:33
  sense
• 49:33
  that
• 49:33
  the.
• 49:33
  The
• 49:34
  best
• 49:34
  ending,
• 49:35
  you
• 49:36
  have
• 49:36
  to
• 49:36
  depend
• 49:37
  on
• 49:37
  somebody
• 49:37
  breaking
• 49:38
  the
• 49:38
  immigration
• 49:38
  rules
• 49:39
  for
• 49:39
  your
• 49:39
  family
• 49:40
  to
• 49:41
  help
• 49:41
  you
• 49:41
  get
• 49:42
  out
• 49:42
  the
• 49:42
  way
• 49:43
  that
• 49:43
  if
• 49:43
  you
• 49:43
  were
• 49:43
  playing
• 49:44
  the
• 49:44
  game,
• 49:44
  quote
• 49:44
  unquote
• 49:45
  correctly,
• 49:45
  you
• 49:45
  wouldn't
• 49:46
  have
• 49:46
  been
• 49:46
  doing
• 49:46
  that
• 49:46
  for
• 49:47
  other
• 49:47
  people.
• 49:47
  And
• 49:47
  then
• 49:48
  the
• 49:48
  game
• 49:48
  kind
• 49:48
  of
• 49:48
  challenges
• 49:49
  you
• 49:49
  on
• 49:49
  that.
• 49:50
  So
• 49:50
  I
• 49:50
  think
• 49:50
  they're
• 49:50
  trying
• 49:51
  to
• 49:51
  make
• 49:51
  you
• 49:51
  uncomfortable
• 49:52
  with
• 49:52
  a
• 49:52
  point
• 49:54
  that
• 49:54
  we
• 49:54
  actually
• 49:54
  do
• 49:55
  this
• 49:55
  to
• 49:55
  each
• 49:55
  other
• 49:55
  and
• 49:56
  isn't
• 49:56
  it
• 49:56
  uncomfortable?
• 49:57
  So
• 49:57
  I
• 49:57
  would
• 49:57
  say
• 49:57
  they're
• 49:58
  in
• 49:58
  line
• 49:58
  with
• 49:58
  what
• 49:58
  I've
• 49:59
  been
• 49:59
  saying
• 49:59
  about
• 50:00
  Ground
• 50:01
  of
• 50:01
  being.
• 50:01
  Theology
• 50:02
  is
• 50:02
  about
• 50:03
  empowering
• 50:03
  people
• 50:04
  and
• 50:04
  then
• 50:04
  widening
• 50:05
  the
• 50:05
  group
• 50:06
  of
• 50:07
  who
• 50:08
  is
• 50:08
  accepted.
• 50:09
  There
• 50:09
  can
• 50:09
  be
• 50:09
  uncomfortable
• 50:10
  ways
• 50:11
  of
• 50:11
  doing
• 50:11
  that.
• 50:11
  Uncomfortable
• 50:12
  ways
• 50:12
  of
• 50:12
  doing
• 50:13
  that.
• 50:14
  Yeah.
• 50:15
  We
• 50:15
  got
• 50:16
  10
• 50:16
  more
• 50:16
  minutes,
• 50:16
  so
• 50:17
  let's
• 50:17
  go
• 50:17
  ahead
• 50:17
  and
• 50:17
  do
• 50:17
  a
• 50:17
  couple
• 50:17
  more
• 50:18
  questions.
• 51:21
  So
• 51:21
  I'm
• 51:22
  curious
• 51:22
  about,
• 51:24
  in
• 51:25
  talking
• 51:25
  about
• 51:25
  the
• 51:25
  culture
• 51:26
  of
• 51:26
  video
• 51:26
  games,
• 51:26
  you
• 51:27
  have
• 51:27
  like
• 51:27
  the
• 51:27
  creators
• 51:27
  of
• 51:28
  video
• 51:28
  games
• 51:28
  and
• 51:28
  the
• 51:28
  art
• 51:29
  itself
• 51:29
  and
• 51:29
  the
• 51:29
  people
• 51:30
  playing
• 51:30
  video
• 51:30
  games.
• 51:31
  I'm
• 51:31
  curious
• 51:32
  about
• 51:32
  how
• 51:33
  this
• 51:33
  applies
• 51:33
  to
• 51:33
  sort
• 51:33
  of
• 51:33
  the
• 51:33
  in
• 51:34
  between
• 51:34
  space
• 51:35
  of
• 51:35
  people
• 51:35
  doing
• 51:36
  like
• 51:36
  mods
• 51:37
  and
• 51:37
  hacks
• 51:38
  or
• 51:39
  streaming
• 51:40
  or
• 51:40
  like
• 51:40
  speedrun
• 51:41
  communities
• 51:41
  where
• 51:42
  you
• 51:42
  are
• 51:42
  engaging
• 51:43
  with
• 51:43
  the
• 51:43
  game.
• 51:45
  Gotcha.
• 51:45
  So
• 51:46
  the
• 51:46
  question
• 51:46
  would
• 51:47
  be,
• 51:48
  how
• 51:49
  do
• 51:49
  we
• 51:49
  talk
• 51:49
  about
• 51:49
  these
• 51:50
  things
• 51:50
  when
• 51:50
  there's
• 51:51
  that
• 51:51
  space
• 51:51
  between
• 51:51
  creators
• 51:52
  and
• 51:52
  players
• 51:53
  where
• 51:53
  sometimes
• 51:54
  players
• 51:54
  want
• 51:54
  to
• 51:54
  do
• 51:55
  mods
• 51:55
  or
• 51:55
  speedruns
• 51:56
  or
• 51:56
  engage
• 51:56
  in
• 51:56
  a
• 51:56
  different
• 51:56
  way?
• 51:57
  Is
• 51:57
  there
• 51:57
  still
• 51:57
  a
• 51:57
  way
• 51:57
  that
• 51:57
  that's
• 51:58
  applicable
• 51:59
  to
• 51:59
  playing
• 51:59
  in
• 51:59
  good
• 52:00
  faith?
• 52:02
  Yeah.
• 52:02
  Great
• 52:02
  question.
• 52:03
  So
• 52:04
  I
• 52:04
  don't
• 52:04
  think
• 52:04
  Good
• 52:05
  Faith
• 52:05
  is
• 52:05
  necessarily
• 52:07
  playing
• 52:07
  the
• 52:07
  way
• 52:07
  it
• 52:08
  was
• 52:08
  meant
• 52:09
  to
• 52:09
  be
• 52:09
  played.
• 52:10
  Ludonarrative
• 52:11
  dissonance
• 52:11
  is
• 52:12
  a
• 52:12
  term
• 52:12
  that
• 52:12
  I
• 52:12
  like.
• 52:13
  It
• 52:14
  originated
• 52:14
  around
• 52:15
  the
• 52:15
  first
• 52:16
  BioShock
• 52:16
  game
• 52:17
  because
• 52:18
  the
• 52:18
  story
• 52:18
  and
• 52:18
  wants
• 52:19
  you
• 52:19
  to
• 52:19
  have
• 52:19
  sympathy
• 52:20
  for
• 52:20
  these
• 52:20
  little
• 52:20
  sister
• 52:21
  characters.
• 52:22
  But
• 52:22
  in
• 52:22
  the
• 52:23
  story
• 52:23
  of
• 52:23
  the
• 52:24
  game,
• 52:24
  you
• 52:24
  know,
• 52:24
  they're
• 52:24
  kind
• 52:24
  of
• 52:25
  creating
• 52:25
  and
• 52:26
  part
• 52:26
  of
• 52:26
  like
• 52:26
  all
• 52:26
  these
• 52:27
  monstrous
• 52:28
  people
• 52:28
  that
• 52:28
  you've
• 52:28
  been
• 52:28
  facing.
• 52:28
  So
• 52:29
  the
• 52:29
  game
• 52:29
  is
• 52:29
  just
• 52:30
  mowing
• 52:30
  down
• 52:30
  people
• 52:31
  with
• 52:31
  guns
• 52:31
  and
• 52:32
  magic
• 52:32
  powers
• 52:33
  basically.
• 52:33
  And
• 52:34
  then
• 52:34
  the
• 52:34
  story
• 52:34
  is.
• 52:34
  But
• 52:34
  have
• 52:35
  some
• 52:35
  sympathy
• 52:35
  and
• 52:35
  do
• 52:35
  a
• 52:35
  kind
• 52:35
  hearted
• 52:36
  thing.
• 52:36
  And
• 52:36
  so
• 52:37
  the
• 52:37
  game
• 52:37
  ludo
• 52:38
  nar
• 52:38
  or
• 52:39
  the
• 52:39
  gameplay
• 52:39
  Ludo
• 52:40
  narrative
• 52:40
  story.
• 52:41
  Don't
• 52:41
  mash.
• 52:42
  They're
• 52:42
  dissonant.
• 52:43
  But
• 52:43
  papers
• 52:44
  please.
• 52:44
  Is
• 52:44
  ludonarrative
• 52:45
  dissonant.
• 52:46
  The
• 52:47
  correct
• 52:47
  way
• 52:47
  to
• 52:48
  play
• 52:48
  is
• 52:48
  process
• 52:49
  all
• 52:49
  the
• 52:49
  immigrants
• 52:50
  paperwork
• 52:50
  correctly.
• 52:51
  But
• 52:51
  the
• 52:51
  game
• 52:51
  arguably
• 52:52
  encourages
• 52:52
  you
• 52:53
  to
• 52:53
  play
• 52:53
  it
• 52:53
  incorrectly
• 52:55
  because
• 52:55
  it
• 52:55
  has
• 52:55
  the
• 52:55
  people
• 52:56
  talk
• 52:56
  to
• 52:56
  you
• 52:56
  and
• 52:56
  tell
• 52:56
  you
• 52:56
  stories.
• 52:57
  So
• 52:57
  some
• 52:57
  of
• 52:57
  these
• 52:57
  immigrants
• 52:58
  are
• 52:58
  like,
• 52:58
  the
• 52:59
  person
• 52:59
  behind
• 52:59
  me
• 53:00
  is
• 53:00
  like
• 53:01
  sexually
• 53:01
  trafficking
• 53:02
  me
• 53:02
  and
• 53:02
  I'm
• 53:02
  gonna
• 53:02
  die.
• 53:03
  Don't
• 53:03
  let
• 53:03
  him
• 53:03
  through.
• 53:04
  You
• 53:04
  can
• 53:04
  do
• 53:04
  whatever
• 53:04
  you
• 53:04
  want.
• 53:05
  You
• 53:05
  can
• 53:05
  reject
• 53:06
  his
• 53:06
  passport
• 53:07
  and
• 53:07
  like
• 53:07
  send.
• 53:07
  Turn
• 53:08
  him
• 53:08
  away.
• 53:08
  Or
• 53:08
  you
• 53:09
  do
• 53:09
  it
• 53:09
  correctly
• 53:10
  and
• 53:10
  then
• 53:10
  I
• 53:11
  think
• 53:11
  you're
• 53:11
  killing
• 53:11
  this
• 53:11
  woman.
• 53:12
  You
• 53:12
  have
• 53:12
  no
• 53:12
  reason
• 53:12
  to
• 53:13
  not
• 53:13
  trust
• 53:13
  what
• 53:13
  she's
• 53:13
  saying.
• 53:14
  I
• 53:15
  think
• 53:15
  about
• 53:15
  mods
• 53:16
  in
• 53:16
  a
• 53:16
  similar
• 53:16
  way.
• 53:18
  There
• 53:18
  have
• 53:18
  been
• 53:19
  mods
• 53:19
  that
• 53:19
  have
• 53:21
  overturned
• 53:23
  problematic
• 53:23
  games.
• 53:24
  So
• 53:25
  there's
• 53:25
  no
• 53:25
  diverse
• 53:26
  representation.
• 53:26
  So
• 53:27
  they
• 53:27
  make
• 53:27
  modded
• 53:28
  characters
• 53:30
  after,
• 53:32
  gosh,
• 53:32
  what
• 53:32
  year
• 53:33
  was
• 53:33
  this
• 53:33
  done?
• 53:33
  I
• 53:33
  think
• 53:33
  it
• 53:33
  was
• 53:34
  last
• 53:34
  year.
• 53:35
  So
• 53:35
  after
• 53:36
  Roe
• 53:36
  v
• 53:36
  Wade
• 53:37
  was
• 53:37
  overturned,
• 53:38
  modders
• 53:39
  put
• 53:39
  abortion
• 53:40
  mods
• 53:40
  into
• 53:40
  the
• 53:40
  Sims.
• 53:43
  That's
• 53:43
  funny.
• 53:44
  That's
• 53:44
  funny.
• 53:45
  So
• 53:46
  like,
• 53:46
  that's
• 53:46
  good
• 53:47
  faith
• 53:47
  of
• 53:48
  not
• 53:48
  following
• 53:48
  the
• 53:49
  rules,
• 53:49
  but
• 53:49
  of
• 53:50
  like
• 53:51
  taking
• 53:51
  the
• 53:52
  game
• 53:53
  in
• 53:53
  terms
• 53:53
  of
• 53:54
  like,
• 53:54
  honestly
• 53:54
  what
• 53:55
  it's
• 53:55
  capable
• 53:55
  of
• 53:56
  and
• 53:56
  what
• 53:56
  it
• 53:56
  can
• 53:57
  do.
• 53:58
  So
• 53:58
  I
• 53:58
  wouldn't
• 53:58
  say
• 53:58
  Good
• 53:58
  Faith
• 53:59
  is
• 53:59
  just
• 53:59
  following
• 54:00
  the
• 54:00
  rules,
• 54:00
  but
• 54:00
  it's
• 54:01
  messing
• 54:02
  with
• 54:02
  it
• 54:02
  just
• 54:02
  to
• 54:02
  mess
• 54:02
  with
• 54:02
  it.
• 54:03
  Or
• 54:03
  in
• 54:04
  the
• 54:04
  case
• 54:04
  of
• 54:04
  modding,
• 54:05
  messing
• 54:05
  with
• 54:05
  it
• 54:05
  because
• 54:05
  you
• 54:05
  see
• 54:06
  something
• 54:06
  there.
• 54:07
  I
• 54:07
  don't
• 54:07
  think
• 54:07
  that's
• 54:07
  against
• 54:08
  good
• 54:08
  faith.
• 54:09
  Yeah,
• 54:09
  that's.
• 54:10
  I
• 54:10
  think
• 54:10
  for
• 54:10
  me
• 54:11
  one
• 54:11
  of
• 54:11
  the
• 54:11
  most
• 54:11
  interesting
• 54:12
  sets
• 54:12
  of
• 54:12
  mods
• 54:13
  are
• 54:13
  like
• 54:13
  the
• 54:13
  Pokemon
• 54:13
  games
• 54:14
  because
• 54:15
  they're
• 54:15
  clearly
• 54:15
  made
• 54:16
  for
• 54:16
  kids.
• 54:16
  Nintendo
• 54:17
  doesn't
• 54:17
  like
• 54:17
  the
• 54:17
  mods,
• 54:18
  but
• 54:18
  a
• 54:18
  lot
• 54:18
  of
• 54:18
  these
• 54:18
  mods,
• 54:19
  I
• 54:19
  was
• 54:19
  gonna.
• 54:19
  Say
• 54:19
  don't
• 54:19
  do
• 54:19
  it,
• 54:20
  they'll
• 54:20
  sue
• 54:20
  you.
• 54:20
  Yeah,
• 54:21
  but
• 54:21
  a
• 54:21
  lot
• 54:21
  of
• 54:21
  the
• 54:22
  mods
• 54:22
  that
• 54:22
  people
• 54:23
  use
• 54:23
  actually
• 54:23
  I
• 54:23
  feel
• 54:24
  like
• 54:24
  allows
• 54:24
  adults
• 54:25
  to
• 54:25
  play
• 54:25
  it
• 54:26
  in
• 54:26
  good
• 54:26
  faith
• 54:26
  because
• 54:27
  it's
• 54:27
  hard
• 54:27
  to
• 54:27
  play
• 54:27
  some
• 54:27
  of
• 54:27
  these
• 54:27
  where
• 54:28
  there's
• 54:28
  like
• 54:28
  it's
• 54:28
  so
• 54:28
  easy.
• 54:29
  But
• 54:29
  then
• 54:29
  some
• 54:29
  of
• 54:29
  the
• 54:29
  mods
• 54:29
  make
• 54:29
  it
• 54:30
  where
• 54:30
  it's
• 54:30
  your
• 54:31
  Pokemon
• 54:31
  really
• 54:31
  die
• 54:31
  or
• 54:32
  there's
• 54:32
  like
• 54:32
  more
• 54:32
  real
• 54:33
  consequences.
• 54:33
  So
• 54:33
  it's
• 54:34
  able
• 54:34
  to
• 54:34
  engage
• 54:35
  the
• 54:35
  story
• 54:35
  more.
• 54:36
  Honestly,
• 54:36
  I
• 54:36
  feel
• 54:36
  like.
• 54:38
  Yeah,
• 54:38
  yeah,
• 54:39
  there's
• 54:39
  interesting
• 54:40
  mods.
• 54:41
  Yeah,
• 54:41
  like
• 54:41
  there's
• 54:42
  mods
• 54:42
  in
• 54:42
  the
• 54:42
  same.
• 54:42
  In
• 54:43
  the
• 54:43
  same
• 54:43
  way
• 54:43
  that
• 54:43
  people
• 54:44
  can
• 54:44
  do.
• 54:45
  People
• 54:46
  can
• 54:46
  do
• 54:46
  terrible
• 54:47
  things
• 54:48
  to
• 54:49
  care
• 54:50
  female
• 54:50
  characters,
• 54:51
  especially
• 54:51
  if
• 54:51
  you
• 54:51
  want
• 54:51
  to
• 54:52
  watch
• 54:52
  some
• 54:52
  gross
• 54:52
  videos,
• 54:53
  see
• 54:53
  what
• 54:54
  characters
• 54:54
  do
• 54:54
  to
• 54:54
  women
• 54:55
  in
• 54:55
  Red
• 54:55
  Dead
• 54:56
  Redemption
• 54:56
  2.
• 54:57
  But
• 54:57
  Red
• 54:58
  Dead
• 54:58
  Redemption
• 54:58
  2
• 54:59
  also
• 54:59
  has
• 54:59
  an
• 54:59
  ethical
• 55:00
  story
• 55:00
  of
• 55:00
  a
• 55:00
  character
• 55:01
  kind
• 55:01
  of
• 55:01
  being
• 55:01
  a
• 55:02
  bad
• 55:02
  person
• 55:02
  and
• 55:02
  then
• 55:03
  coming
• 55:03
  to
• 55:03
  grips
• 55:04
  with
• 55:04
  it
• 55:04
  and
• 55:04
  it
• 55:04
  may
• 55:04
  be
• 55:04
  too
• 55:05
  late.
• 55:05
  And
• 55:05
  the
• 55:06
  actual
• 55:06
  story
• 55:06
  of
• 55:06
  Red
• 55:06
  Dead,
• 55:07
  I
• 55:07
  think
• 55:07
  is
• 55:07
  interesting,
• 55:08
  but
• 55:08
  the
• 55:08
  game
• 55:09
  lets
• 55:09
  you
• 55:09
  do
• 55:09
  whatever.
• 55:09
  So
• 55:09
  that's
• 55:10
  not
• 55:10
  unlike
• 55:10
  making
• 55:11
  a
• 55:11
  mod
• 55:11
  that's
• 55:11
  monstrous
• 55:13
  or
• 55:13
  a
• 55:13
  mod
• 55:13
  that
• 55:14
  actually
• 55:14
  is
• 55:14
  saying,
• 55:15
  well,
• 55:15
  you're
• 55:15
  going
• 55:15
  to
• 55:16
  take
• 55:16
  away
• 55:16
  our
• 55:16
  abortion
• 55:16
  rights.
• 55:17
  We're
• 55:17
  going
• 55:17
  to
• 55:17
  inject
• 55:17
  them
• 55:17
  into
• 55:18
  this
• 55:18
  game.
• 55:19
  Yeah,
• 55:19
  I
• 55:20
  just
• 55:20
  got
• 55:20
  a
• 55:20
  couple
• 55:20
  more
• 55:21
  minutes.
• 55:22
  I
• 55:22
  know
• 55:22
  you
• 55:22
  had
• 55:22
  one.
• 55:23
  Yeah.
• 55:26
  So
• 55:27
  the
• 55:27
  question
• 55:27
  is
• 55:27
  about
• 55:28
  the
• 55:28
  implications
• 55:29
  of
• 55:29
  embodied
• 55:30
  theology
• 55:31
  around
• 55:31
  how
• 55:32
  we're
• 55:32
  playing
• 55:32
  as
• 55:32
  the
• 55:32
  other
• 55:32
  in
• 55:33
  our
• 55:33
  games.
• 55:33
  Yep.
• 55:33
  So
• 55:33
  like,
• 55:34
  yeah,
• 55:34
  couch
• 55:34
  co
• 55:34
  op
• 55:34
  is
• 55:35
  dead.
• 55:35
  We
• 55:35
  used
• 55:35
  to
• 55:35
  do
• 55:35
  that
• 55:35
  in
• 55:36
  the
• 55:36
  90s
• 55:36
  and
• 55:36
  now
• 55:37
  not
• 55:37
  anymore.
• 55:37
  It's
• 55:37
  all
• 55:38
  online.
• 55:41
  So
• 55:41
  first
• 55:41
  of
• 55:41
  all,
• 55:42
  I
• 55:42
  did.
• 55:42
  I
• 55:43
  worked
• 55:43
  in
• 55:43
  a
• 55:43
  neuroscience
• 55:44
  lab
• 55:44
  when
• 55:45
  I
• 55:45
  was
• 55:45
  still
• 55:45
  a
• 55:45
  graduate
• 55:46
  student
• 55:46
  and
• 55:46
  I
• 55:47
  applied
• 55:47
  some
• 55:47
  of
• 55:47
  that
• 55:48
  research
• 55:48
  to
• 55:49
  video
• 55:49
  games
• 55:50
  in
• 55:50
  this
• 55:50
  book.
• 55:51
  So
• 55:51
  we
• 55:51
  know
• 55:52
  now
• 55:52
  that
• 55:53
  our
• 55:54
  bodies
• 55:54
  react
• 55:54
  to
• 55:55
  online
• 55:55
  interactions.
• 55:56
  And
• 55:56
  then
• 55:57
  there
• 55:57
  was
• 55:57
  an
• 55:57
  aha
• 55:58
  moment
• 55:58
  where
• 55:58
  we
• 55:58
  did
• 55:58
  a
• 55:59
  study
• 55:59
  of
• 56:00
  reacting
• 56:00
  to
• 56:01
  videos.
• 56:02
  So
• 56:02
  not
• 56:03
  interacting,
• 56:03
  but
• 56:04
  just
• 56:04
  watching
• 56:04
  something.
• 56:05
  So
• 56:05
  then,
• 56:06
  okay,
• 56:06
  we
• 56:07
  interact
• 56:07
  online.
• 56:08
  We
• 56:08
  can
• 56:08
  just
• 56:09
  watch
• 56:09
  something.
• 56:09
  So
• 56:10
  playing
• 56:10
  video
• 56:10
  games,
• 56:11
  various.
• 56:12
  The
• 56:12
  lab
• 56:13
  studied
• 56:13
  oxytocin,
• 56:14
  which
• 56:14
  we
• 56:14
  can
• 56:14
  talk
• 56:15
  about.
• 56:15
  I'm
• 56:15
  not
• 56:15
  going
• 56:15
  to
• 56:16
  get.
• 56:16
  I
• 56:17
  want
• 56:17
  more
• 56:17
  questions.
• 56:17
  We
• 56:17
  can
• 56:18
  talk
• 56:18
  about
• 56:18
  what
• 56:18
  that
• 56:18
  means.
• 56:19
  Get
• 56:20
  spikes
• 56:20
  of
• 56:20
  it.
• 56:21
  Just
• 56:21
  like
• 56:21
  we
• 56:21
  do
• 56:21
  nice
• 56:22
  things
• 56:22
  to
• 56:22
  each
• 56:22
  other.
• 56:22
  You
• 56:22
  get
• 56:22
  a
• 56:23
  spike
• 56:23
  in
• 56:23
  it,
• 56:23
  it
• 56:23
  makes
• 56:23
  us
• 56:23
  nicer
• 56:24
  to
• 56:24
  each
• 56:24
  other.
• 56:24
  We
• 56:25
  get
• 56:25
  that
• 56:25
  online,
• 56:26
  we
• 56:26
  get
• 56:26
  it
• 56:26
  in
• 56:27
  video
• 56:27
  games.
• 56:27
  So
• 56:27
  we
• 56:28
  actually
• 56:28
  do
• 56:28
  react
• 56:28
  bodily.
• 56:29
  But
• 56:29
  in
• 56:29
  terms
• 56:29
  of
• 56:31
  the
• 56:31
  actual
• 56:32
  inter
• 56:32
  in
• 56:32
  person
• 56:33
  interaction,
• 56:34
  sure,
• 56:35
  something's
• 56:35
  lost.
• 56:36
  But
• 56:37
  the
• 56:37
  way
• 56:37
  I
• 56:37
  say,
• 56:37
  like,
• 56:38
  no,
• 56:38
  these
• 56:38
  games
• 56:38
  are
• 56:39
  more
• 56:39
  real
• 56:39
  than
• 56:39
  reality
• 56:40
  for
• 56:40
  some
• 56:40
  people.
• 56:41
  I
• 56:41
  gave
• 56:41
  you
• 56:41
  like
• 56:42
  unfortunate
• 56:43
  real
• 56:43
  life
• 56:43
  situation.
• 56:44
  The
• 56:45
  video
• 56:45
  game
• 56:45
  is
• 56:45
  more
• 56:46
  real
• 56:46
  or
• 56:46
  better
• 56:47
  real
• 56:47
  than
• 56:47
  that.
• 56:48
  There's
• 56:48
  tons
• 56:48
  of
• 56:49
  stories
• 56:49
  of
• 56:50
  people
• 56:50
  who
• 56:50
  met
• 56:51
  online,
• 56:51
  got
• 56:52
  married
• 56:52
  and
• 56:53
  stayed
• 56:53
  married
• 56:53
  and
• 56:53
  are
• 56:54
  still
• 56:54
  married
• 56:54
  and
• 56:54
  have
• 56:55
  like
• 56:55
  a
• 56:55
  great
• 56:55
  relationship.
• 56:56
  There
• 56:56
  are
• 56:56
  players
• 56:57
  who
• 56:57
  never
• 56:58
  played
• 56:58
  couch
• 56:59
  co
• 56:59
  op,
• 56:59
  but
• 57:00
  they
• 57:00
  played
• 57:00
  online.
• 57:01
  And
• 57:01
  one
• 57:01
  of
• 57:02
  them
• 57:02
  gets
• 57:02
  a
• 57:02
  cancer
• 57:02
  diagnosis
• 57:03
  and
• 57:03
  it's
• 57:03
  severe.
• 57:04
  And
• 57:04
  they
• 57:05
  all
• 57:05
  get
• 57:05
  together
• 57:05
  for
• 57:06
  the
• 57:06
  first
• 57:06
  time
• 57:06
  at
• 57:06
  their
• 57:07
  deathbed
• 57:07
  so
• 57:07
  they
• 57:07
  can
• 57:07
  say
• 57:08
  bye
• 57:08
  to
• 57:08
  their.
• 57:08
  A
• 57:09
  friend
• 57:09
  who
• 57:09
  they
• 57:09
  only
• 57:09
  played
• 57:09
  with
• 57:10
  online
• 57:10
  before
• 57:10
  they
• 57:10
  die.
• 57:12
  So
• 57:12
  is
• 57:12
  it
• 57:12
  the
• 57:12
  same?
• 57:13
  No,
• 57:13
  but
• 57:14
  there's
• 57:14
  still
• 57:15
  something
• 57:15
  very
• 57:16
  real
• 57:16
  there
• 57:16
  that
• 57:17
  people
• 57:17
  are
• 57:18
  getting
• 57:18
  connections
• 57:18
  still.
• 57:19
  For
• 57:19
  sure.
• 57:19
  For
• 57:20
  sure.
• 57:20
  We're
• 57:20
  going
• 57:20
  to
• 57:21
  go
• 57:21
  a
• 57:21
  little
• 57:21
  bit
• 57:21
  over,
• 57:21
  but
• 57:21
  we
• 57:21
  started
• 57:22
  a
• 57:22
  little
• 57:22
  bit
• 57:22
  late,
• 57:22
  so
• 57:22
  I'm
• 57:23
  going
• 57:23
  to
• 57:23
  do
• 57:23
  one
• 57:23
  more
• 57:23
  question.
• 57:24
  And
• 57:24
  then
• 57:24
  the
• 57:24
  great
• 57:24
  thing
• 57:25
  about
• 57:25
  Theology
• 57:25
  Beer
• 57:25
  camp
• 57:25
  is
• 57:26
  that
• 57:26
  we're
• 57:26
  all
• 57:26
  hanging
• 57:26
  out.
• 57:26
  You
• 57:27
  guys
• 57:27
  can
• 57:27
  always
• 57:27
  just
• 57:27
  come
• 57:27
  up
• 57:28
  and
• 57:28
  ask
• 57:28
  anybody.
• 57:29
  Yeah,
• 57:29
  I'll
• 57:29
  hang
• 57:29
  around
• 57:30
  afterward.
• 57:30
  Yeah.
• 57:31
  So
• 57:32
  the
• 57:32
  question
• 57:32
  is,
• 57:33
  a
• 57:33
  lot
• 57:33
  of
• 57:33
  times
• 57:33
  we
• 57:34
  go
• 57:34
  to
• 57:34
  video
• 57:34
  games
• 57:34
  for
• 57:35
  escape,
• 57:35
  but
• 57:36
  is
• 57:36
  there
• 57:36
  a
• 57:36
  good
• 57:36
  way
• 57:37
  to
• 57:38
  practice
• 57:39
  seeing
• 57:39
  the
• 57:40
  other?
• 57:40
  Embedding
• 57:40
  ourselves
• 57:41
  in
• 57:41
  our
• 57:41
  games
• 57:42
  while
• 57:42
  we're.
• 57:42
  Doing
• 57:42
  this
• 57:43
  for
• 57:44
  everybody
• 57:44
  in
• 57:44
  the
• 57:44
  room?
• 57:44
  I'm
• 57:45
  pretty
• 57:45
  sure
• 57:45
  Joshua
• 57:45
  is
• 57:45
  repeating
• 57:46
  the
• 57:46
  questions.
• 57:46
  So
• 57:46
  they're
• 57:47
  on
• 57:47
  Mike
• 57:47
  for
• 57:47
  the
• 57:47
  podcast.
• 57:48
  Yeah,
• 57:48
  yeah,
• 57:48
  yeah.
• 57:50
  I
• 57:50
  thought
• 57:50
  we
• 57:50
  said
• 57:51
  that
• 57:51
  ahead
• 57:51
  of
• 57:51
  time.
• 57:51
  I
• 57:51
  might
• 57:51
  have
• 57:52
  forgot.
• 57:52
  My
• 57:52
  bad.
• 57:54
  I
• 57:55
  mean,
• 57:55
  I
• 57:55
  do
• 57:55
  kind
• 57:55
  of.
• 57:56
  There
• 57:56
  have
• 57:56
  been
• 57:56
  surveys
• 57:57
  and
• 57:57
  I
• 57:57
  guess
• 57:57
  I
• 57:58
  kind
• 57:58
  of
• 57:58
  fall
• 57:58
  into
• 57:58
  this.
• 57:59
  If
• 57:59
  there's
• 58:00
  a
• 58:00
  chance
• 58:00
  to
• 58:00
  create
• 58:01
  a
• 58:01
  character,
• 58:02
  I
• 58:02
  create
• 58:02
  something
• 58:03
  different
• 58:03
  for
• 58:03
  the
• 58:04
  sake
• 58:04
  of,
• 58:04
  like,
• 58:05
  well,
• 58:05
  if
• 58:05
  you're
• 58:05
  going
• 58:05
  to
• 58:05
  give
• 58:05
  me
• 58:05
  the
• 58:06
  choice
• 58:06
  to
• 58:06
  get.
• 58:07
  Have
• 58:07
  more
• 58:07
  diversity
• 58:08
  in
• 58:08
  the
• 58:08
  game,
• 58:08
  I'll
• 58:08
  create
• 58:09
  some
• 58:09
  character
• 58:09
  that's
• 58:10
  different,
• 58:11
  see
• 58:11
  what
• 58:12
  the
• 58:12
  experience
• 58:12
  is
• 58:12
  like,
• 58:14
  really.
• 58:15
  I
• 58:15
  think
• 58:15
  it's
• 58:15
  just
• 58:16
  having.
• 58:18
  Like
• 58:18
  I
• 58:18
  said,
• 58:19
  when
• 58:19
  I
• 58:19
  speak
• 58:19
  at
• 58:19
  video
• 58:19
  game
• 58:20
  conventions,
• 58:21
  usually
• 58:22
  somebody
• 58:22
  comes
• 58:23
  up
• 58:23
  to
• 58:23
  me
• 58:23
  after
• 58:23
  my
• 58:23
  talks
• 58:23
  and
• 58:24
  is
• 58:24
  just
• 58:24
  like,
• 58:25
  you
• 58:25
  gave
• 58:25
  me
• 58:25
  language
• 58:26
  that
• 58:26
  helps
• 58:27
  me
• 58:27
  understand.
• 58:27
  Like,
• 58:28
  nothing
• 58:28
  about
• 58:28
  my
• 58:28
  experience
• 58:29
  changed.
• 58:30
  I
• 58:30
  just
• 58:30
  have
• 58:31
  the
• 58:31
  language
• 58:31
  to
• 58:31
  understand
• 58:32
  it
• 58:32
  and
• 58:32
  express
• 58:32
  it
• 58:33
  now
• 58:33
  and
• 58:33
  know
• 58:34
  that
• 58:34
  something
• 58:34
  actually
• 58:35
  happens.
• 58:35
  So
• 58:36
  these
• 58:36
  philosophers
• 58:37
  and
• 58:37
  theologians,
• 58:39
  like,
• 58:40
  the
• 58:41
  experience
• 58:41
  was
• 58:41
  what
• 58:41
  it
• 58:41
  was,
• 58:41
  but
• 58:42
  now
• 58:42
  I
• 58:42
  actually
• 58:42
  understand
• 58:42
  it
• 58:43
  better
• 58:44
  just
• 58:44
  thinking
• 58:44
  about
• 58:45
  these.
• 58:46
  So,
• 58:46
  like
• 58:46
  a
• 58:47
  practice,
• 58:47
  a
• 58:47
  tool.
• 58:48
  I
• 58:48
  mean,
• 58:48
  that'd
• 58:49
  be
• 58:49
  interesting.
• 58:49
  Like
• 58:51
  practical
• 58:52
  video
• 58:52
  game
• 58:53
  theology
• 58:53
  or
• 58:54
  something
• 58:54
  like
• 58:54
  that.
• 58:55
  Actually,
• 58:55
  do
• 58:55
  you
• 58:55
  mind
• 58:56
  if
• 58:56
  I
• 58:56
  follow
• 58:56
  up
• 58:56
  on.
• 58:56
  Yeah,
• 58:57
  this
• 58:57
  is
• 58:58
  something
• 58:58
  like,
• 58:58
  I
• 58:58
  got
• 58:59
  this
• 58:59
  from
• 58:59
  talk
• 59:00
  Talking
• 59:00
  with
• 59:00
  Ben
• 59:00
  and
• 59:01
  about
• 59:01
  Ben's
• 59:01
  book.
• 59:01
  I
• 59:01
  started
• 59:02
  thinking
• 59:02
  about
• 59:02
  video
• 59:02
  games
• 59:02
  a
• 59:03
  little
• 59:03
  bit
• 59:03
  differently.
• 59:04
  So,
• 59:04
  like,
• 59:04
  now
• 59:04
  when
• 59:04
  I
• 59:04
  go
• 59:05
  into
• 59:05
  a
• 59:05
  video
• 59:05
  game,
• 59:05
  if
• 59:05
  I
• 59:05
  really
• 59:06
  want
• 59:06
  to
• 59:06
  be
• 59:06
  intentional,
• 59:07
  you
• 59:07
  know,
• 59:07
  I
• 59:07
  don't
• 59:07
  turn
• 59:07
  on
• 59:08
  a
• 59:08
  podcast
• 59:08
  or
• 59:08
  a
• 59:09
  YouTube
• 59:09
  video
• 59:09
  while
• 59:09
  I'm
• 59:09
  watching.
• 59:10
  I
• 59:11
  like,
• 59:11
  I
• 59:12
  really.
• 59:12
  I
• 59:12
  put
• 59:13
  on
• 59:13
  a
• 59:13
  headset
• 59:13
  and
• 59:13
  I'm
• 59:13
  focused
• 59:14
  on
• 59:14
  the
• 59:14
  game.
• 59:14
  So
• 59:15
  I
• 59:15
  was
• 59:15
  playing
• 59:15
  Pacific
• 59:15
  Drive.
• 59:16
  That
• 59:16
  was
• 59:16
  one.
• 59:16
  And
• 59:16
  I
• 59:16
  really
• 59:17
  just
• 59:17
  tried
• 59:17
  to
• 59:17
  take
• 59:17
  in
• 59:17
  the
• 59:18
  environment.
• 59:18
  And
• 59:18
  it
• 59:18
  did
• 59:19
  change
• 59:19
  something
• 59:19
  in
• 59:19
  me,
• 59:20
  like,
• 59:20
  in
• 59:20
  that
• 59:20
  moment
• 59:21
  or
• 59:21
  like,
• 59:21
  when
• 59:21
  I'm
• 59:22
  playing,
• 59:22
  you
• 59:22
  know,
• 59:22
  an
• 59:22
  rpg.
• 59:23
  So
• 59:23
  I
• 59:23
  really
• 59:23
  like
• 59:24
  Assassin's
• 59:24
  Creed,
• 59:25
  and
• 59:25
  I've
• 59:25
  started
• 59:25
  playing
• 59:25
  Assassin's
• 59:26
  Creed
• 59:26
  a
• 59:26
  little
• 59:26
  bit
• 59:26
  different,
• 59:27
  where
• 59:27
  I'm
• 59:27
  like,
• 59:27
  okay,
• 59:27
  but
• 59:28
  what.
• 59:28
  What
• 59:28
  time
• 59:29
  is
• 59:29
  this
• 59:29
  character
• 59:29
  in
• 59:29
  and
• 59:30
  what's
• 59:30
  the
• 59:30
  relationship?
• 59:31
  And,
• 59:31
  like,
• 59:31
  what
• 59:32
  would
• 59:32
  I
• 59:32
  do,
• 59:33
  you
• 59:33
  know,
• 59:33
  if
• 59:33
  I'm
• 59:33
  really
• 59:34
  taking
• 59:34
  this
• 59:34
  person's
• 59:35
  predicament
• 59:35
  seriously
• 59:36
  or,
• 59:36
  like,
• 59:37
  with
• 59:37
  Spider
• 59:37
  Man,
• 59:37
  I
• 59:37
  told
• 59:37
  you
• 59:38
  I
• 59:38
  was
• 59:38
  setting
• 59:38
  up
• 59:38
  fans
• 59:39
  so
• 59:39
  that
• 59:39
  I
• 59:39
  could
• 59:40
  really,
• 59:40
  like,
• 59:40
  you
• 59:40
  know,
• 59:41
  get
• 59:41
  into
• 59:41
  the
• 59:41
  swinging.
• 59:42
  But
• 59:42
  just,
• 59:43
  like,
• 59:43
  you
• 59:43
  know,
• 59:43
  like.
• 59:44
  That's
• 59:44
  so
• 59:44
  cool,
• 59:44
  right?
• 59:46
  Yeah,
• 59:47
  that's
• 59:47
  great.
• 59:47
  Yeah.
• 59:48
  Yeah.
• 59:49
  I
• 59:50
  mean,
• 59:51
  for
• 59:51
  me,
• 59:51
  myself,
• 59:51
  just,
• 59:52
  like,
• 59:52
  following
• 59:52
  up
• 59:52
  on
• 59:52
  that,
• 59:53
  too,
• 59:53
  is
• 59:53
  like,
• 59:54
  I
• 59:54
  have
• 59:54
  this
• 59:54
  weird
• 59:55
  thing
• 59:55
  of,
• 59:55
  like,
• 59:56
  you
• 59:56
  guys
• 59:56
  know
• 59:56
  I
• 59:56
  love
• 59:56
  Kingdom
• 59:57
  Hearts
• 59:57
  already.
• 59:57
  Will
• 59:58
  has
• 59:58
  a
• 59:58
  drinking
• 59:58
  game.
• 59:58
  Every
• 59:58
  time
• 59:59
  I
• 59:59
  say
• 59:59
  it,
• 59:59
  he
• 59:59
  has
• 59:59
  to
• 59:59
  take
• 59:59
  a
• 59:59
  drink,
• 1:00:00
  and
• 1:00:00
  he's
• 1:00:01
  already
• 1:00:01
  plastered.
• 1:00:02
  I'm
• 1:00:02
  sor.
• 1:00:03
  No,
• 1:00:04
  but
• 1:00:05
  I
• 1:00:05
  actually.
• 1:00:05
  I
• 1:00:05
  take
• 1:00:06
  some
• 1:00:06
  of
• 1:00:06
  the
• 1:00:06
  songs
• 1:00:06
  from,
• 1:00:06
  like,
• 1:00:06
  different
• 1:00:07
  moments.
• 1:00:07
  Like,
• 1:00:07
  they
• 1:00:08
  have
• 1:00:08
  different
• 1:00:08
  themes
• 1:00:08
  throughout
• 1:00:08
  the
• 1:00:08
  game.
• 1:00:09
  And
• 1:00:09
  I'll
• 1:00:09
  meditate
• 1:00:10
  to
• 1:00:10
  that
• 1:00:10
  as,
• 1:00:10
  like,
• 1:00:10
  a
• 1:00:10
  spiritual
• 1:00:11
  practice
• 1:00:11
  because,
• 1:00:11
  like,
• 1:00:11
  I
• 1:00:12
  know
• 1:00:12
  these
• 1:00:12
  moments
• 1:00:12
  of,
• 1:00:13
  like,
• 1:00:13
  when
• 1:00:13
  he's
• 1:00:13
  discovering
• 1:00:14
  that
• 1:00:14
  these
• 1:00:14
  other
• 1:00:15
  hearts
• 1:00:15
  lived
• 1:00:15
  in
• 1:00:15
  him
• 1:00:16
  or
• 1:00:16
  these
• 1:00:16
  other
• 1:00:16
  things
• 1:00:16
  that
• 1:00:16
  I'm
• 1:00:17
  able
• 1:00:17
  to
• 1:00:17
  just
• 1:00:17
  kind
• 1:00:17
  of
• 1:00:17
  think
• 1:00:17
  of,
• 1:00:17
  like,
• 1:00:18
  my
• 1:00:18
  inner
• 1:00:18
  connectiveness
• 1:00:19
  and
• 1:00:19
  how
• 1:00:19
  we're
• 1:00:19
  all
• 1:00:20
  interwoven
• 1:00:20
  in
• 1:00:20
  that.
• 1:00:20
  And,
• 1:00:21
  yeah,
• 1:00:21
  it's
• 1:00:22
  weird,
• 1:00:22
  but
• 1:00:22
  I
• 1:00:22
  think
• 1:00:22
  the
• 1:00:22
  big
• 1:00:22
  thing
• 1:00:22
  for
• 1:00:23
  me
• 1:00:23
  was
• 1:00:23
  just
• 1:00:23
  kind
• 1:00:23
  of
• 1:00:23
  giving
• 1:00:23
  myself
• 1:00:24
  permission
• 1:00:25
  to
• 1:00:26
  say,
• 1:00:26
  hey,
• 1:00:27
  everyone
• 1:00:27
  else
• 1:00:27
  might
• 1:00:28
  think
• 1:00:28
  this
• 1:00:28
  is
• 1:00:28
  silly
• 1:00:28
  and
• 1:00:28
  stupid,
• 1:00:29
  but
• 1:00:29
  if
• 1:00:29
  I
• 1:00:29
  take
• 1:00:30
  it
• 1:00:30
  serious
• 1:00:30
  and
• 1:00:30
  I
• 1:00:30
  find
• 1:00:31
  meaning
• 1:00:31
  in
• 1:00:31
  it,
• 1:00:32
  then
• 1:00:32
  it
• 1:00:32
  is
• 1:00:33
  good
• 1:00:33
  for
• 1:00:33
  me.
• 1:00:33
  So
• 1:00:33
  just
• 1:00:33
  kind
• 1:00:33
  of
• 1:00:34
  giving
• 1:00:34
  yourself
• 1:00:34
  permission,
• 1:00:34
  I
• 1:00:34
  think,
• 1:00:34
  is
• 1:00:35
  a
• 1:00:35
  huge
• 1:00:35
  part
• 1:00:35
  of
• 1:00:35
  that.
• 1:00:36
  Sorry,
• 1:00:37
  I
• 1:00:37
  got
• 1:00:38
  one
• 1:00:38
  more.
• 1:00:39
  Sorry,
• 1:00:39
  no,
• 1:00:41
  just
• 1:00:41
  one
• 1:00:41
  more
• 1:00:41
  thing,
• 1:00:42
  because
• 1:00:42
  this
• 1:00:42
  is
• 1:00:42
  something
• 1:00:42
  that
• 1:00:42
  me
• 1:00:43
  and
• 1:00:43
  Ben
• 1:00:43
  talks
• 1:00:43
  a
• 1:00:43
  lot
• 1:00:43
  about.
• 1:00:44
  So
• 1:00:44
  my
• 1:00:44
  favorite
• 1:00:44
  game
• 1:00:45
  ever
• 1:00:45
  is
• 1:00:45
  Battlefield
• 1:00:46
  1.
• 1:00:46
  It's
• 1:00:46
  the
• 1:00:47
  one
• 1:00:47
  set
• 1:00:47
  in
• 1:00:47
  World
• 1:00:47
  War
• 1:00:47
  I,
• 1:00:48
  right.
• 1:00:48
  And
• 1:00:48
  I
• 1:00:49
  love
• 1:00:49
  that
• 1:00:49
  game
• 1:00:49
  because
• 1:00:49
  there's
• 1:00:50
  a
• 1:00:50
  scene
• 1:00:50
  where
• 1:00:50
  you
• 1:00:50
  get
• 1:00:51
  to
• 1:00:51
  play
• 1:00:51
  as
• 1:00:51
  a
• 1:00:52
  pigeon,
• 1:00:52
  and
• 1:00:53
  it
• 1:00:54
  feels
• 1:00:54
  so
• 1:00:55
  dumb,
• 1:00:56
  but
• 1:00:56
  the
• 1:00:56
  soundtrack,
• 1:00:57
  the
• 1:00:57
  music
• 1:00:57
  you're
• 1:00:58
  captivated
• 1:00:58
  by,
• 1:00:58
  and
• 1:00:59
  the
• 1:00:59
  pigeon
• 1:00:59
  is
• 1:00:59
  flying
• 1:01:00
  above
• 1:01:00
  all
• 1:01:00
  of
• 1:01:00
  this
• 1:01:01
  violence.
• 1:01:01
  And,
• 1:01:01
  like,
• 1:01:01
  I
• 1:01:02
  have
• 1:01:02
  some
• 1:01:02
  trauma
• 1:01:03
  from,
• 1:01:03
  you
• 1:01:03
  know,
• 1:01:03
  some.
• 1:01:04
  Some
• 1:01:04
  violence
• 1:01:04
  that
• 1:01:05
  I
• 1:01:05
  was
• 1:01:05
  experiencing.
• 1:01:06
  And
• 1:01:06
  I
• 1:01:06
  was
• 1:01:06
  telling
• 1:01:06
  Ben
• 1:01:07
  during
• 1:01:07
  a
• 1:01:07
  podcast
• 1:01:07
  that,
• 1:01:07
  like,
• 1:01:08
  I
• 1:01:08
  think
• 1:01:09
  that
• 1:01:09
  that
• 1:01:10
  game
• 1:01:10
  cured
• 1:01:10
  me
• 1:01:10
  for
• 1:01:10
  a
• 1:01:11
  little
• 1:01:11
  bit.
• 1:01:11
  Like,
• 1:01:11
  every
• 1:01:11
  time
• 1:01:11
  I
• 1:01:12
  have
• 1:01:12
  an
• 1:01:12
  episode,
• 1:01:12
  I
• 1:01:12
  go
• 1:01:13
  play
• 1:01:13
  as
• 1:01:13
  that
• 1:01:13
  pigeon
• 1:01:14
  because
• 1:01:14
  it
• 1:01:14
  makes
• 1:01:14
  me
• 1:01:15
  feel
• 1:01:15
  like
• 1:01:15
  I'm
• 1:01:15
  liberated
• 1:01:16
  from,
• 1:01:16
  you
• 1:01:16
  know,
• 1:01:16
  all
• 1:01:17
  of
• 1:01:17
  that.
• 1:01:17
  That
• 1:01:17
  emotion.
• 1:01:18
  And
• 1:01:18
  I
• 1:01:18
  found
• 1:01:18
  an
• 1:01:18
  online
• 1:01:19
  Reddit
• 1:01:19
  forum,
• 1:01:19
  and
• 1:01:19
  there
• 1:01:20
  are
• 1:01:20
  people
• 1:01:20
  who
• 1:01:20
  have
• 1:01:20
  that
• 1:01:20
  same
• 1:01:21
  experience
• 1:01:21
  where,
• 1:01:21
  like,
• 1:01:21
  playing
• 1:01:22
  as
• 1:01:22
  a
• 1:01:22
  damn
• 1:01:22
  pigeon.
• 1:01:23
  A
• 1:01:24
  pigeon?
• 1:01:26
  Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  No,
• 1:01:28
  it's
• 1:01:28
  If
• 1:01:29
  I
• 1:01:29
  could
• 1:01:29
  add
• 1:01:29
  one
• 1:01:29
  more.
• 1:01:29
  So
• 1:01:30
  I
• 1:01:30
  did
• 1:01:30
  think
• 1:01:30
  of
• 1:01:30
  one
• 1:01:30
  more
• 1:01:31
  practical
• 1:01:31
  but
• 1:01:31
  also
• 1:01:32
  very
• 1:01:32
  specific
• 1:01:32
  to
• 1:01:33
  me.
• 1:01:33
  Example,
• 1:01:34
  I
• 1:01:34
  love
• 1:01:35
  Tetris
• 1:01:35
  effect.
• 1:01:36
  And
• 1:01:36
  Tetris
• 1:01:37
  effect
• 1:01:37
  puts
• 1:01:38
  me
• 1:01:38
  in
• 1:01:38
  a
• 1:01:38
  meditative
• 1:01:39
  state
• 1:01:39
  to
• 1:01:40
  be
• 1:01:40
  ready
• 1:01:40
  to
• 1:01:41
  appreciate
• 1:01:41
  video
• 1:01:42
  games
• 1:01:43
  as
• 1:01:43
  a
• 1:01:43
  medium
• 1:01:44
  that
• 1:01:44
  could
• 1:01:45
  change
• 1:01:45
  me
• 1:01:46
  in
• 1:01:46
  some
• 1:01:46
  way.
• 1:01:48
  If
• 1:01:49
  you're
• 1:01:49
  stressed
• 1:01:49
  out,
• 1:01:49
  it
• 1:01:49
  also
• 1:01:50
  can
• 1:01:50
  just,
• 1:01:50
  like,
• 1:01:50
  relax
• 1:01:51
  you.
• 1:01:51
  So
• 1:01:51
  if
• 1:01:52
  you
• 1:01:52
  don't.
• 1:01:52
  Not
• 1:01:53
  even
• 1:01:53
  thinking
• 1:01:53
  about
• 1:01:53
  theology
• 1:01:54
  stuff,
• 1:01:54
  but
• 1:01:55
  Tetris
• 1:01:55
  effect,
• 1:01:56
  amazing.
• 1:01:57
  It's
• 1:01:58
  Tetris
• 1:02:01
  amped
• 1:02:01
  up
• 1:02:02
  and
• 1:02:02
  the
• 1:02:02
  art
• 1:02:03
  is
• 1:02:03
  beautiful.
• 1:02:03
  The
• 1:02:04
  music
• 1:02:04
  is
• 1:02:04
  playing.
• 1:02:05
  So
• 1:02:05
  you
• 1:02:05
  can
• 1:02:05
  get
• 1:02:05
  really,
• 1:02:06
  like,
• 1:02:06
  intense
• 1:02:07
  high
• 1:02:07
  play.
• 1:02:07
  Tetris
• 1:02:08
  or
• 1:02:08
  the
• 1:02:08
  most
• 1:02:08
  relaxing,
• 1:02:10
  like,
• 1:02:10
  meditative
• 1:02:10
  state
• 1:02:11
  that
• 1:02:11
  I
• 1:02:11
  am.
• 1:02:12
  The
• 1:02:12
  music
• 1:02:13
  with
• 1:02:13
  the
• 1:02:13
  pieces,
• 1:02:13
  the
• 1:02:13
  way
• 1:02:14
  they're
• 1:02:14
  flowing
• 1:02:14
  and
• 1:02:14
  the
• 1:02:15
  way
• 1:02:15
  the
• 1:02:15
  art
• 1:02:15
  looks.
• 1:02:16
  Yeah,
• 1:02:17
  good
• 1:02:17
  stuff.
• 1:02:17
  Well,
• 1:02:18
  guys,
• 1:02:18
  don't
• 1:02:19
  want
• 1:02:19
  you
• 1:02:19
  guys
• 1:02:19
  to
• 1:02:19
  miss
• 1:02:20
  what
• 1:02:20
  we.
• 1:02:20
  What's
• 1:02:21
  going
• 1:02:21
  on
• 1:02:21
  next
• 1:02:21
  in
• 1:02:21
  the
• 1:02:21
  event.
• 1:02:22
  Ben,
• 1:02:22
  thank
• 1:02:23
  you
• 1:02:23
  so
• 1:02:23
  much
• 1:02:23
  for
• 1:02:23
  joining
• 1:02:24
  us,
• 1:02:24
  man.
• 1:02:24
  Yeah,
• 1:02:25
  give
• 1:02:25
  it
• 1:02:25
  up
• 1:02:26
  for
• 1:02:26
  Ben
• 1:02:27
  again.
• 1:02:28
  We're
• 1:02:28
  gonna
• 1:02:28
  be
• 1:02:29
  around
• 1:02:29
  if
• 1:02:29
  you
• 1:02:29
  guys
• 1:02:29
  wanna
• 1:02:29
  ask
• 1:02:30
  Ben,
• 1:02:30
  Taylor
• 1:02:31
  or
• 1:02:31
  myself
• 1:02:31
  any
• 1:02:31
  questions.
• 1:02:32
  You
• 1:02:32
  can
• 1:02:33
  find
• 1:02:33
  Taylor
• 1:02:34
  Thomas
• 1:02:34
  Tillicht
• 1:02:35
  today.
• 1:02:35
  Wherever
• 1:02:36
  you
• 1:02:36
  get
• 1:02:36
  your
• 1:02:36
  podcast,
• 1:02:36
  make
• 1:02:37
  sure
• 1:02:37
  you
• 1:02:37
  follow
• 1:02:37
  that.
• 1:02:38
  Ben
• 1:02:38
  has
• 1:02:38
  those
• 1:02:38
  flyers
• 1:02:39
  if
• 1:02:39
  you
• 1:02:39
  wanna
• 1:02:39
  see
• 1:02:39
  his
• 1:02:39
  books.
• 1:02:40
  Is
• 1:02:41
  playing
• 1:02:41
  as
• 1:02:41
  other
• 1:02:42
  Theology
• 1:02:42
  and
• 1:02:43
  ethical
• 1:02:43
  responsibility
• 1:02:43
  in
• 1:02:44
  video
• 1:02:44
  games
• 1:02:44
  is
• 1:02:44
  kind
• 1:02:44
  of
• 1:02:44
  what
• 1:02:45
  his
• 1:02:45
  talk
• 1:02:45
  was.
• 1:02:46
  Will
• 1:02:46
  and
• 1:02:46
  I
• 1:02:46
  are
• 1:02:46
  part
• 1:02:47
  of
• 1:02:47
  systematic
• 1:02:47
  ecology.
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  That
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  stuff's
• 1:02:48
  around
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  too.
• 1:02:49
  So
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  if
• 1:02:49
  you
• 1:02:49
  guys
• 1:02:50
  want
• 1:02:50
  to
• 1:02:50
  follow
• 1:02:50
  us,
• 1:02:50
  do
• 1:02:51
  so.
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  And
• 1:02:51
  thank
• 1:02:52
  you
• 1:02:52
  guys
• 1:02:52
  for
• 1:02:52
  joining
• 1:02:53
  us.
• 1:02:53
  So,
• 1:02:53
  yeah,
• 1:02:53
  we
• 1:02:54
  really
• 1:02:54
  appreciate
• 1:02:54
  you
• 1:02:54
  all.
• 1:02:56
  All
• 1:02:57
  right,
• 1:02:59
  nice.
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  That
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  was
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  fun.
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  Ra.