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3 Guys Before The Game - Searching Again (Episode 626) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: Before the Game, Episode number six, twenty six. The title
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  Speaker 1: is searching again. The search has begun for West Virginia's
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  Speaker 1: next head basketball coach, Ren Baker addressing media members during
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  Speaker 1: the press conference on Wednesday. So the search is on.
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  Speaker 1: so yesterday when we were together, we did the emergency podcast,
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  Speaker 1: so to speak, and that was just the initial thoughts
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  Speaker 1: of the turbulence that has once again hit the WVU program.
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  Speaker 1: And shortly after we recorded, Ren Baker went to the
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  Speaker 1: podium and he addressed media members on the upcoming search
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  Speaker 1: for West Virginia's new head coach. It is kind of
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  Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for Well, my gosh, it's
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  Speaker 1: almost kind of normal. I mean, how many of how
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  Speaker 1: many of those has Ren done now?
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  Speaker 3: Deja mean?
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  Speaker 1: Like so like he probably did one before he hired
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kellogg, He certainly did one when football started, he
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  Speaker 1: did one when obviously the interim situation with Josh Eilert,
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  Speaker 1: and he did one before Darren Devreed. So while you
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  Speaker 1: were sitting there yesterday, you're going like, yeah, I've been
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  Speaker 1: here a lot. I've seen a lot of these.
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  Speaker 2: You used to not you could go fifteen twenty year.
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  Speaker 2: There's a period of time for West Virginian football and
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  Speaker 2: basketball where there just there was no movement, right, the
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  Speaker 2: only school in the country. Then we went twenty years
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  Speaker 2: with both. Yesterday, Tony, You're right. I was sitting there
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  Speaker 2: with Ren, thinking, this is just like a regular Tuesday
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  Speaker 2: weekly press conference.
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  Speaker 1: It is so it's not funny, it's all.
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  Speaker 2: But it's like, right, you're doing a coaching search. And
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  Speaker 2: I felt exactly like we did when we go in
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  Speaker 2: for the Tuesday regular press conferences.
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  Speaker 3: Tony, Yeah, it's wild.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was like, yeah, I got this, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we know what this is. Hey, here comes this, here
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  Speaker 1: comes that. How are you gonna deal with this? How
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  Speaker 1: are you gonna deal with that? Okay, boom, so you.
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  Speaker 2: Later he did mention something we talked about yesterday in
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  Speaker 2: the podcast, just that a lot of the research is
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  Speaker 2: done quite frankly, right. There's there's a couple names that
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  Speaker 2: you take off the list, and there's a couple names
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  Speaker 2: that have been added on the list. But there's some
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  Speaker 2: crossover in the pool of candidates from last year. Some
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  Speaker 2: of those will still be in the mix, in which
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  Speaker 2: we knew. But it's interest that you went through such
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  Speaker 2: a deep dive last year and had The interesting part
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  Speaker 2: of this search is just the timing of it. Last year,
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  Speaker 2: you had a long run, You had a runway to
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  Speaker 2: sit and take your time and watch guys over a
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  Speaker 2: period of time. This was an unexpected search that popped up,
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  Speaker 2: and you're obviously going to have to move much more quickly.
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  Speaker 3: It was interesting. One of the questions was are you
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  Speaker 3: going to hire a consultant? And he kind of said, well,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, I just did it. I mean, if
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  Speaker 3: they do hire a consultant, it would be to try
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  Speaker 3: to have a backstop in case everything falls apart.
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  Speaker 2: And to do some vetting of candidates. There where you
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  Speaker 2: can kind of get down the road on them.
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  Speaker 3: So I do have obvious observations. You want those or
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  Speaker 3: you want to wait?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously we want those all right?
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  Speaker 3: First, like you guys said, it was a sponsored.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, let's get into this real quick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well you were gone. I don't know you were somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: You weren't here recently. I was at the girls turn
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  Speaker 1: on the Stunner. But someone said, someone said that, you
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  Speaker 1: said that you put a lot of work into your
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  Speaker 1: obvious obvious observations. And they said, of their obvious observations,
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  Speaker 1: why do you have to spend any time on putting
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  Speaker 1: those together?
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  Speaker 3: Well that's a fair point. Except for me, it's it's
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  Speaker 3: still I still like to prepare, like to prepare. What
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  Speaker 3: have you prepared today? First, as you alluded to.
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  Speaker 1: You just just you just made it like he was
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  Speaker 1: a sixth grade Okay, Hoppy, you ready to present your
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  Speaker 1: project now? Okay, Hoppy, go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of what Rinn said yesterday was boiler plate,
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  Speaker 3: which we which we've heard before, right, I mean it was,
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  Speaker 3: and that's fine, is boilerplate of of the search and
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  Speaker 3: not he's not gonna reveal names and talking about how
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  Speaker 3: they plan to proceed, so a lot of it was
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  Speaker 3: boiler plate. One of the he focused on, which again
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  Speaker 3: was boiler plate, was that this is a good job.
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  Speaker 3: And we talked about this yesterday. This is a good job. Uh.
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  Speaker 3: And you're going to have you have passionate fan base,
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  Speaker 3: you have support, You're gonna have rev share money. That's
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  Speaker 3: going to be competitive. It's not going to be the
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  Speaker 3: most in the country, but it's going to be competitive.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's a good job. Now the whole passionate
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  Speaker 3: fan base thing. And and Rin mentioned this too, and
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  Speaker 3: I think you use the word fish bowl, and that's
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  Speaker 3: that's an important part because there needs to be a
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  Speaker 3: fit here, Brad, because you are in a fish bowl.
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  Speaker 3: You can't You're gonna be the head coach of football
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  Speaker 3: or basketball or pretty much any sport. You're gonna go
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  Speaker 3: to the Kroger and people gonna stop you and talk
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  Speaker 3: to you. You're gonna everybody's gonna want to know things
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  Speaker 3: about you, want a piece of you. It's not like
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  Speaker 3: you're the coach like Earl Grant of Boston College. I
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  Speaker 3: mean he can go to the Walmart, he can go
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  Speaker 3: to the Kroger. Right, So you have to be. Whoever
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  Speaker 3: it is has to be comfortable with that. I think
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  Speaker 3: at this stage they're probably just doing the vetting, just looking,
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  Speaker 3: just finding out who's interested, and then they'll go out
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  Speaker 3: and start talking to people. I would think, Uh, timeline wise,
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  Speaker 3: you need to move pretty quickly. Can you get this
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  Speaker 3: done in a week? You know what you got yesterday? Also,
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  Speaker 3: you got six mil. You got six million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: That's a big time that we need to get into.
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  Speaker 3: Six point one two or something like that. That is
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  Speaker 3: not a small chunk of change when you're trying to
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  Speaker 3: raise twenty million dollars and do the payout for Neil
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  Speaker 3: Brown everything else. So you got six million dollars, it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be Indiana's going to cut a check for
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  Speaker 3: you here in less than two months. I know a
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  Speaker 3: couple of people are probably reaching out trying to see
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  Speaker 3: if there's any interest in Bob Huggins coming back. There's
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  Speaker 3: you never want to say zero, but there's about zero
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  Speaker 3: chance of that happening. So there, I saw an online
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  Speaker 3: effort yesterday bring Huggins back. That's you never say never,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not going to happen. And on the conspiracy theories,
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  Speaker 3: Tony that you mentioned, and you got emails about it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: This week they did release another trove of JFK files,
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  Speaker 3: and buried in the JFK files they released, there is
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  Speaker 3: a mention of Devrees meeting with Indiana when you are
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  Speaker 3: in the Caribbean. So that is in the jf K file,
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  Speaker 3: buried deeply in there.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even get that. I didn't even notice that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of lot was in there.
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  Speaker 3: A lot was in there and people were just going through.
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  Speaker 3: So that is in the JFK file.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let me Yeah, so we'll do textual healing coming
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  Speaker 1: up in a little bit, and so obviously more textual
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  Speaker 1: healing texts than time would allow. In other words, they'll
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  Speaker 1: have named the new coach by the time we would
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  Speaker 1: get through. If you read every textual healing and what
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  Speaker 1: I took from all of them are looked at, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and then if there's just a general theme, we'll just
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  Speaker 1: take one that's the theme. Okay. So rather than sense
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  Speaker 1: of repeating everything, okay, fine, So here's here's kind of
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  Speaker 1: what I took away as I as I went through those,
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  Speaker 1: and that is obviously all of us, all of us
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  Speaker 1: are hurt in some form because of how this happened.
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  Speaker 1: This is analogous to you're having a great relationship with
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  Speaker 1: someone and they break it off totally with no anticipation.
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  Speaker 1: You thought everything was going great, like we're not only engaged,
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  Speaker 1: like we're married. This is gonna be great, and then
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  Speaker 1: she gets hey, hop, listen, I think it's time to
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  Speaker 1: see other people. That's what this is analogous to.
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  Speaker 3: You.
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  Speaker 1: You were just absolutely rejected. So people are very very angry.
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  Speaker 1: People are hurt. And I completely get it. I mean
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  Speaker 1: I understand, I feel it right. I can one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: I feel it too right. I get it because you
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  Speaker 1: invest and if you're a fan, you're investing your time,
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  Speaker 1: you're investing your dollars, you're investing your emotions, you're investing everything.
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  Speaker 1: I get that. And then all of a sudden, when
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  Speaker 1: it goes out of nowhere, it freaking hurts.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it does.
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  Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, So at that time, I think
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  Speaker 1: you just have to you have to come to the
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  Speaker 1: reality of it, you know. But what happens oftentimes is
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  Speaker 1: we try to find ways to make ourselves feel better
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  Speaker 1: exactly about it, And so one of the easy things
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  Speaker 1: to do is to make it really polarizing good guy,
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  Speaker 1: bad guy, and you can build this narrative up, okay,
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  Speaker 1: which leads me to these conspiracy theories and how people.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if I saw the one text from the
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  Speaker 1: guy who posted like on March twelfth, that it was
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  Speaker 1: a done deal, a lot of da da da da da,
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  Speaker 1: and then all this stuff that this deal was cut
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  Speaker 1: at the Bahamas and that they were gonna shut down,
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  Speaker 1: They're gonna shut Tucker down after eight games so that
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  Speaker 1: he could go with it. I mean, because we don't
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  Speaker 1: use expletives, I won't say it, but are you freaking
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  Speaker 1: kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Now?
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  Speaker 1: That might make you feel better, but it's absolutely insane.
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  Speaker 1: It's absolutely ridiculous, it's absolutely untrue, which led me to
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  Speaker 1: a whole nother thing. Now, this will really get you
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  Speaker 1: pissed off, but I don't care. I've really never met
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  Speaker 1: a smart conspiracy theorist. Like after you get done talking
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  Speaker 1: to someone who's got a conspiracy theorist, but I've never
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  Speaker 1: walked away from that conversation. Tell you what, that's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty smart person. Most of the time, it's that's a
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  Speaker 1: dumbass my opinion. I've never read a real smart one,
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  Speaker 1: So while that might make you feel better like I'll
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  Speaker 1: take I'll take you, and I'll take the field. That
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  Speaker 1: that was absolutely not the case. Now that'll lead us
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  Speaker 1: to Darren's comment yesterday when he took the job, that
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  Speaker 1: that Indiana was respectful toward him. And everyone's running to
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  Speaker 1: that say, see right there, that's a done deal. Again.
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  Speaker 1: How this works is this hasn't Did Indiana watch him
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  Speaker 1: coach in the Bahamas? Yeah? Did they go like, WHOA,
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  Speaker 1: that guy's impressive. Very similar to when we watched John
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  Speaker 1: Beeline coach at Richmond and we went like, whoa, that
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  Speaker 1: guy's impressive. So do they reach out and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: we if we have an opening, we'd like to let
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  Speaker 1: you know that we'd like to talk to him. Agent
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  Speaker 1: goes okay. Does he say, and this is how it works, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: just letting you know. Indiana said they may have an
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  Speaker 1: interest if their job opens. That's where it is. So
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  Speaker 1: he says, hey, they were respectful. They weren't banging down
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  Speaker 1: the doors. They let him coach his team. Whatever happens happens.
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  Speaker 1: If they make a move, they make a move, they
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  Speaker 1: want to talk to him. But to think to put
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  Speaker 1: all of these other steps to say done deal, Tucker
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  Speaker 1: backed it down, gonna play. Are you freaking kid me?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 3: But there's there's as you just laid out, Like most
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  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, there are enough elements of truth to wait
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  Speaker 3: a minute, to foster the conspiracy, right, just that you.
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  Speaker 1: Can take the factoids and try to connect dots. Yah illogically.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I agree, Yes, that's what it is. But you
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  Speaker 3: may have noticed that conspiracy theories are in vogue right now.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that's like, that's we watched these guys.
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  Speaker 1: And when we say we watched these guys, you're around them,
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  Speaker 1: you see them. I mean, these guys did not stop
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  Speaker 1: coaching twenty four to seven when they were with that team,
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night, flying back, everyone's on a laptop,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's breaking down plays, everyone's saying, these guys were totally invested.
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  Speaker 2: I'll say this, If he accepted the job in a
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  Speaker 2: ballroom in the Bahamas, then West Virginia still got more
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  Speaker 2: work out of him, then pick fifty random employees at
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  Speaker 2: this university. There was still more work being done for
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  Speaker 2: this program than forty fifteen points. So I mean we
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  Speaker 2: can move on something else.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just my point. My point is and I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: And again I'll say all of that by saying this,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to change anyone's mind. Like if you
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  Speaker 1: believe in that, just like the Kennedy thing, whatever you
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  Speaker 1: want to believe in, totally good and never going to
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  Speaker 1: change your mind. But I'm just giving you my opinion
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  Speaker 1: that that is absolute, not true my thought on that.
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  Speaker 1: All right, searches on, who do you go get? Is
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  Speaker 1: this a good job?
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  Speaker 3: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: It is a good job.
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  Speaker 1: It is a good it is a good job. It is.
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  Speaker 2: I say this too, I'll reiterate what I said yesterday.
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  Speaker 2: It's better than a good job. It's a really good job.
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  Speaker 2: It's a really good job as defined by me. My
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  Speaker 2: definition of that is as I said yesterday. Can can
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  Speaker 2: multiple people come in and have success? And West Virginia
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  Speaker 2: has shown that over a long, extended period of time
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  Speaker 2: that different coaches, different styles, els can come in and
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  Speaker 2: win and be very successful here. That defines a really
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  Speaker 2: good program.
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  Speaker 3: This is it.
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  Speaker 2: You've got resources, you've got an administrative administration committed to winning,
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  Speaker 2: you've got people that care, and you've got multiple coaches
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  Speaker 2: that have done it at a really high level with
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  Speaker 2: different styles.
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  Speaker 3: You can win here. Really good job period.
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  Speaker 1: And I mean you take a look at the guys
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  Speaker 1: that have been here, right, You've got two Hall of
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  Speaker 1: Fame coaches in Bob Huggins and John Bline, and you've
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  Speaker 1: had some really super really super good coaches. It's got
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  Speaker 1: a great backbone and a great tradition. And you will
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  Speaker 1: be successful here again. There's no question in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: you will be successful here again. All Right, we'll talk
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  Speaker 3: Got to stay hydrated.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 3: Is there good for your skin too?
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  Speaker 1: It is? Yeah absolutely. Is there a profile that West
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Virginia needs to have, a characteristic that West Virginia needs
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to have in its new basketball coach because we are
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: in an unprecedented era of roster construction, right, this is
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: this is different than building a team the old way. Right.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Just think about this for a second. If this would
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  Speaker 1: have happened, this would have happened six years ago, four
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: years ago West Virginia's program. We know what we'd be
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: saying on this program. Well, it's going to take about
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a minimum two, probably three years before you can see
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: results of building this team together, because we would be
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: under the assumption that the newcomers would come in, they'd
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: have to grow. If they're freshmen, they got to get bigger,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: they got to get stronger. Now, this is absolutely instant coffee.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Find the water, put the grounds in, stirred up, and
• 19:10
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• 19:13
  Speaker 1: here this year, nineteen wins after returning zero points from
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: last season's team. You're going to see Louisville in the
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: NCAA Tournament. They did the same exact thing. It can
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: be done. It's a little bit scary to do it,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: but it can be done. So now when you hire
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: a coach, it's so much more than the x's and
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: the o's. It's as much as Okay, talk to me
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: about your philosophy of roster management. How and where and
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: why are you going to get what you're going to
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: get when you go to shop. You're seeing more and
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: more teams hire professional based coaches. You saw it at Utah,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: you saw it at BYU. You're seeing teams go pro
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: model when it comes to roster construction. Because at the
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: end of the day, that is the single most important thing.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: You can have the greatest X and O tactician in
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: the world, but if it's hoppy running that offense, you
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: got no shot. You need to have a gazelle type
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: athlete like Brad that can run that office and then
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: you're gonna offense. Then you're gonna have success. So that's
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: as big a part of it as anything. You got
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: to convince Ren Baker, I know how to put a
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: roster together really super quick.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: Bread, Sorry, doing work here, doing work?
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Figure it out?
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Rosters? He's working on the rosters' getting goes, Hey, you
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: know what's interesting about the search? Well, it's a lot
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: of things interesting about search. But in reading the the
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: Iowa media, Beth as it gets you say your name
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: the a d Raya, Beth gets that she's under pressure
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: because there's a feeling that she missed.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Their fan base might be more mad than West Virginia's
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: fan base really about Darren Devreese. Yeah, I don't think
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: they just missed. I don't think they way he did.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: They weren't ever that they never I don't know if
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: they had a chance.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: But the feeling, but the perception is that, like you
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: read the stories and go, wow, now that gets missed
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: on Devrees. What are you going to do now? So
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: she's under the under the microscope.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no question they're under some pressure. But that's
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: why you don't read Hawk fan nine to twelve that
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: said Darren Davrees was going to be the next coach.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Don't read that one.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Move on all due respect the Hawk fans.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: And I will say this here and might as well
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: mention that there's an obvious crossover candidate right there and
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Ben McCollum, who is ironically from the state of Iowa
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: and coaching at Drake. And you start to look at
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: some profiles and you asked about what the profile is
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of the next coach. You had it in Darren Devrees.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: You try and replicate what you had there. You had
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: a guy that was a really good culture builder, and
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: we watched him up close. I thought that might be
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Of all the things about him, his building of the
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: culture and getting those guys to buy in and stay
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: connected was number one on that list. You've got a
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: guy that was really heavily invested in defensive principles and toughness.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: But then you had a guy and listen the numbers
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: didn't back up what was there philosophically in terms of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: the offensive acumen. And I kept saying that all year,
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: the stuff that Darren and that staff was drawing up
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: and implementing game by game was.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Really elite stuff.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Now, you had a bunch of guys that were either
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: playing too early or playing at this level for the
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: first time, and the shots didn't always fall. That was
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: coming in the next year's You got a guy that
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: was really balanced in terms of offense and defense, and
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: I think you look for that again, is somebody that
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: can do all of that particular stuff. Reason I bring
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: up Ben McCollum is there's an obvious tide to the
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: University of Iowa, there's an obvious tie to West Virginia,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: and that he was at Northwest Missouri State with RN
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Baker while he was winning his four national titles. So
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I think you can fairly assume that Ben McCollum is
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: going to be near or at the top shorst of
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: calls that you make. I'll go through some Drake numbers
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: in a minute. They're pretty similar. But guys, let's talk
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: profile here for another second. This is what I was
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: calculating when we came on as you watched this league,
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Tony throughout the season, would you consider the Big Twelve
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: more of a defensive heavy league or an offensive heavy league,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: because my immediate knee jerk would be defensive.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: I score on a lot of teams, Houston.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: You talk about West Virginia, there was a top fifteen defense.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were some really good defenses, five of
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: them in the top twenty two nationally. So you better
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: have some toughness and defense to you. But here's what
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: surprised me as I'm looking down this. Six of the
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: top twenty one offenses nationally were in the Big Twelve.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: That kind of surprised me, and I thought one thing
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: jumped here as I was doing this is real quick.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: This is in the last couple of minutes. Teams that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: we have been traditionally as hard nosed defensively as you
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: can get, Houston and Iowa State made a clear and
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: noticeable switch this year to become more offensive based. Still
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: really good defense. Houston's number two nationally and defensive rating,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: and that's still where they hang their hat. Iowa State
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: tenth nationally defensively, still.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Hang their hat.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Both of those teams have added extreme shooters in the
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: last couple of years to get really good offensively, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's a reaction to you can be good
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in the Big twelve. You want to win a national title,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: You've got to have guys that can score and shoot,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: and so maybe you can't get all the way in
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: year one under this, next two, next coach. So again,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I think the Darren model is right. Build it defensively first,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: and stay competitive while you get it going, and then
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: you start to layer in and mix in offensive threats
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and scorers slash shooters on top of that. But I
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: think the models set what Ren was looking for last year,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: and Ren knows this. That's why you ended up with
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: a Darren DeVries. You're looking for the same thing as
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: you go into the Searts this year.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Here's another element to this which is less statistical and
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: more more macro, and that is when he hired Darren Devrees,
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: which I was to argue was a great hire. That's
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: a great hire. Too bad he's leaving and need to
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: argue it. Yeah, great high. One of the things talked about,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and one of the things we mentioned was he was
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: not a job jumper, which makes the jump stunning. So
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: you didn't think he was going to leave after year one,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: but he did, and so you've had you know, you're
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: going to go into four coaches in four years. So
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: the next hire and I don't know how you do it,
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: whether you do it have some assurance or in a
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: contract you cannot let have that person leave after one year.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But but you also you're not in control of that.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I thought that's something Wren said that was interesting. He
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: just said, I'm at peace that knowing I don't make
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that decision. Darren made the decision to go to Indiana,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and what you do is exactly what he and the
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: university did. There's a severe monetary penalty for that coach
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: doing that, and if Indiana has enough money they want
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: to pay that for him, Okay, so be it, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: you go to your search. You can't do anything about that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: And I think you've got to be careful to go
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: into it with that as a mindset. I think you
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: go into it hiring the very best basketball coach you
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: can right now. And if we're sitting here a year
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: from now, then we're sitting here a year from now.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, what can you do to control or not control?
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: What can you do to stop that? You can't that's
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: the decision of somebody else. So I understand what you're saying,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: and I understand the knee jerk reaction to say, you
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: got to get somebody that's going to stay. I don't
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: know how you control that. Go get a great basketball coach.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: And if you get a great basketball coach, guess what,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: there's going to be calls coming in constantly. You can't
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: stop somebody from leaving. You put monetary penalties in there
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: so that it benefits you, and you go get a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: great coach, and then you do.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: It again history. Even though the perception seems that because
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: you now are going to be on your fourth coach
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: in four years, that this has become a stepping stone,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I think that's a misperception. I think you just got
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: into a very atypical rash of departures. Obviously, one was
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a forced departure, which led to an intrum, which led
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: to Darren, which led to a stunning surprise. However, however,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: keep this in mind. West Virginia had three basketball coaches
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy nine to two thy twenty three. Three coaches,
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: But it was a different time. It was a different time.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: But this is not to say that this is going
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: to become the norm. I mean there was some I mean,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: you had an intrum coach, so it was going to
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: change over. You knew that it was going to change over.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: That was uncharacteristic. So my point is that this job
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: history says people stay at this. I gave it to
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: you yesterday. This is the first time in eighty years
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: that a coach went one and out. Coaches don't go
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: one and out. I mean West Virginia unfortunately has had
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: has had it happen to it twice. But that is
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the exception rather than the rule. The Dawn Plitzewhite and
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: the Darren DeVries departures are atypical in comparison. And as
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Brad said, they're paying a heavy dollar amount six million
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: plus six over six million dollars to leave. That's a
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: football buyout, which is even high. Like if you saw
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: that in the football where you go, Damn, they're paying
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: six million dollars. That's unusual.
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: In fact, in the Indiana press it was like, wow,
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: you must really want this guy. They're gonna pay six
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: million dollars.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Correct, And Wren said that, he said, I haven't heard
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: of one that is larger than what this one was
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: that's what you do. That's how you air quotes, protect yourself.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: That's all you can do. Go make a great hire
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: of a good coach, and you need to do it
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: well enough that other people want you. And you have
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: a buyout in there and you go hire another.
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: Count I think you found a solution to this fundraising issue.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: What is that every year you hire a great coach
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: and you have this enormous buyout, Yeah, and guarantee on
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: the six million dollars and.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: You walk them.
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you shop him.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: It's not funny.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: It was kind of funny.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a little bit fun a little bit fun.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Textual healings coming up were doing nice spreadsdent stats.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Well I just kind of did it. Okay, that's it.
• 29:06
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• 29:09
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• 29:11
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  Speaker 1: know of that doesn't get nervous on April fifteenth, they
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  Speaker 1: just go bring it in. Fact, I think Conley Cpiegrow goes,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what's that buyout? Let me tell you how much tax
• 29:22
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  Speaker 3: little profile. I don't know how I stumbled across. I
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  Speaker 3: Just what?
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  Speaker 1: What?
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  Speaker 3: Again?
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: When you talked about profile, I was just kind of
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: thinking about that a little bit more. The if you
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: go back into West Virginia's numbers this year, it is
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: interesting to look at it. If you want to try
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: and find a formula to win right away in.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: A big boy league.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: With a lot of talent, it really was last year
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: was a good model. So think about what you did
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: with team construction. You put some guys in there that
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: you felt were good character guys and would buy into
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: what you're preaching and would be very coachable and have
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: a good locker room and a good work ethic, check
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: and checks. Got all of that, then you mix in
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a superstar. Now I think I think everybody associated with
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: that program knw Javon Small was an outstanding basketball player.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure you could have predicted he would have
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: a Player of the Year type of year. And again
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: some of that was by necessity. Right after Tucker's injury,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: he was forced into, hey, you're going to have to
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: do more than we would have normally asked, and man,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: he rose to the occasions. That's one of the all
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: time great single seasons in the last however many years
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: you want to go back, that truly was an all
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: American type of season. But if you look at it
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: from an overall team perspective, the defense, what do they
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: always say? It was very cliche, but work defense, defense
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: travels right. It's easier to implement defense right out of
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the gate. West Virginia within the Big Twelve fourth in
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: defensive efficiency overall, fourth and opponent effective field goal percentage,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: fifth in turnover percentage, fourth in three point field goal defense,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: fourth in steel percentage. Really elite defensive numbers, and it
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: shows how far defense can take you, guys, because if
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you look at this offense. It really struggled on the
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: whole throughout the year. Thirteenth in overall offensive efficiency within
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: the league, thirteenth in effective field goal percentage, sixteenth in
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: offensive rebounding, which we know, fifteenth in free throw rate,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: so a lot of those free points we talked about
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: all year. You weren't able to get Thirteenth in free
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: throw percentage, which is surprising because they had some games
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: where they were really good shooting the basketball. Fifteenth in tempo,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: really slow paced because you were trying to shorten game.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So the formula is there early can you go out
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: And we always say this about basketball. The challenge for
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: rich is he can't go just get two elite guys.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: He's a bunch of really good players basketball. Go fill
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: it with guys that will play in your system, will
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: be coachable, and will be tough and get after it.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: This last year's team had that. And sprinkle in as
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: many good offensive players as you can, but at least
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: have one really talented dude offensively and build around that,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: and off you go.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: If you do take your swings. If you just cited
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: those offensive stats, know what the defensive stats were, you said,
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: you would have said this team won ten games, yeah,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: oh year, and.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: So it had to be a lead on the defensive end,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: and it was.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: It was.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: It was a top fifteen national defensive So you're saying
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: it's easier to rebuild. Are are you then looking for
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: a guy I mean, given that you have resources but
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: there's somewhat limited, are you looking for a guy who
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: starts with defense and has that same mentality.
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: I think you have to. I think you have to.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: But again, based on what I just said, with what
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Kelvin Sampson's switch was and what tj Otzlberger's philosophical switch was,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: I think they have just again read the tea leaves
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: come to the realization that you can't probably win at
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: all with just defense. And we saw that here with Hugs.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, those defensive teams were as good as any
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: in the country. And what would happen at times late.
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you'd be like, I gotta get a shot. I
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: can't make a shot here, can't get offense going.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: So if you're going to rise to the very highest level,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: you have to have both. And that's evidence by and
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: I don't have the number right in front of me,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: but it's twenty four of the last twenty five years,
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: twenty five of the last twenty.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: Six you've you've ended the regular.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Season in the top twenty in offense and defensive efficiency
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: in Ken Palm. If you're going to win a national title,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: so you've got to find both. I'm just illustrating here.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: If you're looking for the quick, immediate rebuild, it can
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: be done with defense and an offense that isn't quite
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: there yet, got it?
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a guard, absolutely, gotta guard.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Ready to do some.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Healing, Yes, we need it, need some healing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: All right, that's the case. Let's do some healing.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Although you can move on pretty quickly. Excuse me, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: mean again, we're going through the stages right right. And
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: it was you know, denial, anger, et cetera. But now
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: what are we talking about? You turn the page talking
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: about getting a new coach? Sure, talking about that? I
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: mean that's.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: Absolutely you in town next week? Yeah you are. Yeah,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it'll be nice and be nice if you could go
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: over to the introductory press conference whenever that happens. What
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: do you think, Brad? Get him over there? Sure you
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: haven't been on one of those in a long time?
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Well, I did they come up all the time, So
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: I just like I'll.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Pick one, I'll go to next week.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: So the next week's Yeah, three.
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  Speaker 1: uh ready for some healing? Yeah again, these are just
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: basically an overview general theme of what we received. Three guys,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I know now what it feels like is to be
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: part sugar. Let me go three two one, Three guys,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I know what it feels like to be beat up
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: behind the dumpster out back, only to run into the
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: adjacent alley and get beat up again. Wow, I'm pretty bummed.
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: Not only am I not invited to the big dance,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: but my girlfriend runs off with my best friend.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Ouch.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Three guys, plea, make it stop. Say the doctor is
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: in textual healing. Help me? John and Cape Canaveral, Florida.
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: Hey, Tony. I wrote about this and talked about this
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: yesterday that fans have devoted. Fans have a strong emotional
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: connection to the university, to the sports programs, and then
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: tangentially to the coaches and the players, even if they
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: don't know them or haven't met him. So it hurts.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: It hurts because it is very personal. But you know,
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: in today's environment, it's you're you're taking your walking on
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: an emotional razor's edge by doing that.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Hut a percent, Yeah, hut a percent. It's the business
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: that we've chosen in our investment. Next one. Three guys,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Hello from Iowa.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Everything comes out of Iowa now and leaves.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: From Iowa too.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: This is John our Ah our guy.
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: I just want Mountaineer nation to know. So this is
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Jake Our's dad, Jake the unbelievable shooter.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I just want a mountain youer nation to know what
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: an amazing experience this past year has been for Jake
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: and our family. We met some of the most genuine
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: people and passionate fans and we were instantly welcomed. Like family.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: We were raised as Hawkeyes, but we will always cheer
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: for the Mountaineers and for the record, Jake is the
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: best shooter to ever come out of wester Moines Valley
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: High School. Thank you all.
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, well done, John, Wait a minute, we
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: know another pretty good shooter of wester de Moines. Jake
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: was awesome. Bring Jake back. He's doc, would love to
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: have it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Eligibility and he's done.
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: He's got a creticous what do you mean eligibility? I
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: will say it's done. He's fIF five years, he's done.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: You can't play anymore.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Who says personally that was awesome having Jake here?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: Now he can come out and admit.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: Jake's whole family.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: It was great seeing then they were at a lot
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: of events, so we we appreciate John and the family.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: And Jake was Jake was awesome, great mountaineer.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Now they can clearly.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: The best shooter from Valley High School ever to play
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: at West Virginia.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, there was a qualifier in there. They were the best,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: both of you don't know books. John Brad played there
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: and scored two thousand points. No, not that many, three thousand,
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: not that many.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: I think he should come out now and admit I
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: guess I was just pretending I actually did make more
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: than eight threes in a game. I did break your record.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Great if you did that, now, Texter, it's been a
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: rough twenty two months for us, especially the last seventy
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: two hours. What did we do to deserve this? Just
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: when we thought the future was looking right, Bam, another
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: kick in the teeth. Looking on the bright side, I
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: firmly believe we've got the best athletics director in the country,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: baseball team winning come fall, rich Rod going to have
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: the football team rolling like it's two thousand and five.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Here's the better days ahead.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: How about old Steve Sabans in that baseball team, they
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: just keep winning.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Lined up, lined up, beat him.
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, watch that last night.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, yeah, you were there.
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: I went two nights ago. I watched last night. Yeah
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: beat the jm Ewers. Uh Texter to all the young
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: Mountaineer fans out there, welcome to the club. A great
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: season capped off by getting screwed by the committee, followed
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: by the coach leaving. Bring on, tex healing and football season.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Adam from Shady Spring.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: You know what though, it just again I'm in the
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: acceptance move on mode. I mean it just the university
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: Tony is always here. It's going to be here. It's
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: never going to go away. The athletic programs, brat aren't
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: going to go away. It's a continuum, so it'll be around.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: You're good to go, Texter. This is just me needing
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: to vent. I'm fifty four years old, have a WV
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: fan my entire life. I went from listening to every
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: game on the radio growing up, being a season ticket holder.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Donor. I know, I am a homer and it means
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: more to me than most, and it shouldn't let it
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: affect me so much. It's bad when your moods, you're sleep.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Your overall well being is based on people you've never
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: even had a conversation with I know that I'll get
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: over it, but this shift, oh he didn't say shift
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: what I did say?
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Thank god, you butchered the reading of that.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: But this shift is getting old. No loyalty anywhere. This
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: is turned into such a me me me world. I
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: laid in bed last night actually thinking for the first
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: time ever, that it would be smarter to quit being
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: so involved, become a casual fan, save my money and
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: time for something else. I love the mountaineers, but it's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: like an abusive relationship. You put everything into it and
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: then continue to break your heart and hurt you. I
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: don't know, just wanted to vent. Sorry for the long
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: really nothing text. Just wanted to be heard. If really
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: is a long if really is a long drive? It
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: really is a long it really is a long drive,
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: It really is a long drive, instead of if it
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: really is a long drive? A lot of investment for
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: people who don't even know your name.
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: But you're struggling today, Tony, I mean, is there is
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: there a typo there?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: I said, if? Would that be my fault? Because I
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: said if really along this is my fault because the
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: guy had a type.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: My goodness, he went, I mean, there wasn't a typo
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: when you misspoke the word up top, which.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: Violation.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: It's a podcast. You probably could have said it.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: Don't. We don't do that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: We're not, Well he did, we didn't do it. He's
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: just reading what the guy said. Well, that is true,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: he didn't do it.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Hello again, in light of all the talk, that was
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: a pretty good text, though, No, I understand what we
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: need to spend some time.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: That's the essence of of fandom, right, that's a of fandom.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I said yesterday? What did I say yesterday? Yeah, that
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: was exactly I think he said.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: I think he said it better.
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: Well, I would agree with that because he's living it. Yes, okay,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: that that's a testimonial.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know I was thinking about this too because
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I once said this to a class I was speaking
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: to about the profession of being in athletics. And I
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: use the example. I've told this story before. How down
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: in Miami the Kellen Winslow catch game Quincy Wilson, see
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: it should see I even did it. It should be
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the Quincy Wilson run game. But you lose the game,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: So what do you remember? You default to the negative,
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: and you remember the Kellen wins Low ridiculous catch. And
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: I've told the story how I was not on the
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: air at that time. I was working in the athletic department,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: but I'd always go up and stand by the radio stuff.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: And that was on the roof of the old Orangeble.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: So we're standing there and before the fourth down play,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: and I got nothing to do with it, right, I'm
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: not calling any plays, I'm not down on the field,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: I'm not even on the radio having to talk about it.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: I had to go to the edge of the Orange Bowl.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I thought I was gonna throw up. I went to
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: the edge of the Orange I did not, but I
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: went to the edge because I think I'm gonna throw
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: up here because it was such a massively important game
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: where you were just starting hoping Rich could ramp the
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: thing up. It would have been a monumental signature win.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: And my point to all of that was as a
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: career choice, as tough as that moment was, and that
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: was a tough moment professionally. Now it's going to affect
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: my job when I go out to sell. It would
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: have been a lot easier to sell had we won
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: that game. So all those things and I just said,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: you know what, though, that's part of the deal. Yes,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: that's part of the deal to be in, my opinion,
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: was to be in a profession that gave you that feeling,
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: even though it was on the bad end of the spectrum,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: but it gave you that feeling. It's kind of the
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: same thing with Fani. The highs are higher when you're
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: totally invested, but the lows are no doubt lower.
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really well said, right exactly, it's well said.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, uh, Texter. In light of all of
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: the talk about the cubbler Ross's stages of grief, I
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: thought i'd share with you all what I believe to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: be a more accurate representation. It can get ugly. Take
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: a look at this graphic there you go, hop.
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: That's pretty good. That's good too.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: You mean it doesn't follow a nice it's not real.
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: The second, the one on the right's actually more represented.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: It is, absolutely because you can go back, you can
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: go in a lot of different directions. That's good, Telly you.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: He added, ps, thanks for keeping us all up to
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: date on the madness that's Mountain Air Sports. Truly appreciate it.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: That was Kim save that we need to keep that
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: for the next time it.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Has good Texter, first time long time WVU coaching is
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: like the great Schmidt's saloon. You'll see some amazing talent
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: either on its way up or on the way down,
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: but never in their prime. College athletics is becoming exhausting.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: Texter Amy and New Martinsville, West Virginians are super nice,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: welcoming people. We treat you as our own. We welcome
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: you to our table like an Italian grandmother. But we
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: can also hold a grudge like a Hatfield or a McCoy.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: True steal our pig, our money, our players, and we're
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: going to fight. I think we're all feeling like Hatfield's
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: and McCoy's right about now.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Did MacAfee go off? He went off?
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Didn't he? I saw several things yesterday, but I didn't.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: I don't want on de freeze.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I thought he went off personally, I don't know.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Did he Buruh? Did you see anything? I didn't see it, Texter.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Mike from Salem checks in, does anyone know what Andy
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: kotal Nikki's philosophy is? Handling on a one three one zone?
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: Very good? Also, also the phrase freaking Thurston should be
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: on a t shirt, just trying to keep everyone laughing
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: instead of crying.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Well done, excellent text.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I'll put a smile on your face. Remember that our
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: friends at Tutor's Biscuit World right now going on right now.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: You buy one biscuit regular price, you get another biscuit
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: for just a dollar. That's right. You can buy sausage biscuit,
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: you can get the dotty, you can get the peppy,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: hash brown, whatever it is. You buy one and you
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: get another for one dollar.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: What about the three guys biscuit?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: That is really good.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you get cheese on it or not.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Don't go sending people there asking for the three guys
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: biscus because then they'll get inundated, and then we'll get
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: a call from corporate going, hey guys, we don't have
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: a three guys biscuits.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: No, the call from corporate should be then, hey guys,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: we've got a three guys biscuit, right, is what the
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: call would be.
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: And on the menu it just has a question mark,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: so it's not just the cheese.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Just tell them you're not sure what biscuit it will be.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: You're not sure what you're gonna get on this show.
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: That's just walk in order of business. Three guys, Like
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: three guys, biscuit. Okay, what are you getting back?
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to save people money, that's all. It's
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: all I mean. Like again, the greatest deal in the
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: world is over a goal mart on that gas thing
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: off the app. Oh yeah, Like all you gotta do
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: is play a silly game on the app. Just play
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: a silly game on the app. Just play the game
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: on the app, and then you get twenty cents off
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a gallant a gas. Like, how good of a deal
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: is that you don't have that Gomart app? Go get
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: the go mart app, because all that does is get
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: your money. So you play a game on there, and
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: they got these those silly games like put a put
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: a tail on hoppy something like that on there and
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: then put it tell on happy you played the game,
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: and I get twenty cents off a gallon when you
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: play it. It's a heck of a deal. Plus all
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: the other great savings that they have going on. Now
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: use your Gomark card, roll them up and save money
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: all of the time.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Domino Dreams you were talking about, right, that's the game
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: you play.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: Domin that is not pin the tael On hoppy, No,
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Think that's up yet. Well, Domino Dreams, I think.
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: It is right now.
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I go there right now, twenty cents off a gallon.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you do that? Because the folks at Gomart gentlemen,
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: Like the rest of mountaineer Nation, I've been going through
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: my own stages of grief after the historic snubbing and
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the devastation of the departure. Where I have arrived is
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: at the acceptance stage of a hard truth. When the
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: top fifty to sixty programs in the big money sports
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: inevitably split off to form their own league in the
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: next five to ten years, West Virginia will not be
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: among them. Any question of that has been answered over
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the last seventy two hours. Our market is too small,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Our history and culture aren't valued enough outside of West
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Virginia to me the price of admission in twenty twenty five.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: The only question is how are we going to prepare
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: for what's staring us in the face. I would love
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: to hear your guys' thoughts on where we go from here,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: chairs ac from Logan.
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  Speaker 3: Here's mine, and that is what WVU has done and
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  Speaker 3: what it continues to do as a very small state
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  Speaker 3: without going population in bred in multiple sports is nothing
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  Speaker 3: short of miraculous. Number one. Number two is back to
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  Speaker 3: the small state. And I hear this when I talk
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  Speaker 3: to people about this. There are simply not that many
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: people in the state who have that much money in
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: that many deep pockets or just aren't. And you have
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: all kinds of entities at Westford and people loyal university,
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: whether it's a specific school, whether it's the foundation, whether
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: it's alumni, whether it's sports, whether it's whatever asking for money.
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  Speaker 3: Got the day of giving coming up, So there are
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of hands out looking for contributions. This is
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  Speaker 3: not the I think people in West Virginia are generous
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  Speaker 3: and alumni are generous, but it simply is not the
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  Speaker 3: easiest place to raise giant amounts of money.
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  Speaker 2: It's not, but it never has been. We've said this
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  Speaker 2: all the time. It's more in your face now what
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: different schools are paying. But that's always been the case.
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  Speaker 2: There's always been schools that have been paying even though
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: they shouldn't have been. Sometimes I'll say what I've said
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  Speaker 2: for a long time. When I started here thirty years ago,
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: the athletic department budget was less than twenty million dollars
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: per year, it's grown to one hundred million. Has the
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: state significantly increased in population or size since then? Have
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: massive fortune five hundred companies flooded in. It's in essence,
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  Speaker 2: the same group of people and the same markets that
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: have generated this dollar. So I don't know that I
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: share that belief yet that West Virginia's on the outside
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: looking in. If it further consolidates, I like to think
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: West Virginia is in the table, and I think throughout again,
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  Speaker 2: it's history. The basketball program is one with different coaches.
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  Speaker 2: This athletic program has survived over all the different eras
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  Speaker 2: of change college.
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  Speaker 3: Athletics, different conference. Once you have to do.
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  Speaker 2: Though, You've got to win on the field, in the court,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: and you've got to keep that going and you've got
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: to do it in football and basketball at a high
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: level asap. That's what keeps you relevant in these changing times.
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  Speaker 2: You have got to win, and you've got to win now.
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  Speaker 1: That was going to be my entire comment. The only
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: thing West Virginia control can control right now as we
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: move toward if you want to put it in a
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: five to ten year window, is exactly what Brad just said.
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: You have got to be unbelievably good right now. Historically,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: think back rich Rod's first run, the Big East imploding
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: and West Virginia wins the Sugar Bowl. Right that was
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: beholden by the Big East Conference. It was massive. It
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: was a massive thing at that moment because it helped.
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  Speaker 1: So you've got to be really really good right now.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: And all of these other sports that are doing really well,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: women's back basketball and baseball and everything else that's going well,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: that's all good. But your two big daddies, your football
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: and your men's basketball, you have got to have a
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: success right now so that when that time comes, if
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: there is a separation, you've got to be well, yeah,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: they've got to come in if you're struggling. If you're
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: struggling here now and you do just become an afterthought,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: it could be it could be very very bad for
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: you in the program. So Ren said this yesterday during
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: his press are like, you've got to be really really
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: good right now. I remember back to the days of
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Shane Lions, Like he says, I'm building stuff here and
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: we're building this and we're building that because we need
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: to be the best representation of ourselves. So the next
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: time someone comes around and goes, Okay, who we're going
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: to take, Who we're gonna take, Who we're gonna take.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: You better be attractive, right. You can't go out with
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: a T shirt and your jeans on. You better be
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: always looking spiffy. And that's what you need to do
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: as a department.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Win in support. Those are the two things. Win Because
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: think how you watch games, you always see all those
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: people win and support and those are linked together. Right,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: Your people are coming in their support, and Western has
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: been good about that. But win and support those are
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: the two things, and you'll have a seat at the table.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, Texter, it's not always a bad thing
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: for a coach to leave after one year who clearly
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: did not want to be here. Example, coach leaves, coach
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: goes to a new school. She has a thirteen and
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: twenty three conference record, never ranked, does not make the
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: NCUBLEA tournament. In two years, new coach will be Mark
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: Kellogg goes twenty five and eleven in the conference, ranked
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: in every poll since December twenty five of twenty three,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: back to the NCUBLEA tournament appearance. This may be a
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: blessing for us.
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  Speaker 3: In the long run that puts a way to struggle.
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's away.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: She's thirteen and twenty three and in the in the league. Texter,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: three guys, and this is sad this next Texas said,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: because we know her. Three guys, this is my final tech.
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I don't have the heart to care anymore. West Virginia
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: got screwed by the NCAA. A few days later got
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: screwed again. Darren spoke with a forked tongue regarding his
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: commitment to the people of West Virginia University and the players.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: I have no further interest in college sports between gambling
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: and il lack of dedication to commit to work to
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: improve your team. I'm out. Will continue to listen to
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: your show because I love the connectedness that comes from listening.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you, MJ and Savannah remember her hop you ever
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: met her?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah yeah right.
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: Sorry to hear him, Joy, Absolutely, I'm sorry to hear
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: that from MJA.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: Texter. Can we use some of the money that Indiana
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: is going to pay us to repave Cheat Lake Road
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  Speaker 1: one nineteen killed my car when we came up for
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: the UCF game.
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  Speaker 3: Lastly, hey, I have good news about that.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we should have led with that. That's the most
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: important thing being discussed. They should have led with that.
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  Speaker 3: Go that is that one nineteen or eight fifty that's
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: actually are you talking.
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  Speaker 1: About by the I don't know. I didn't write the text.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, but do you have a road update, because i'd
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: love a road update.
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: Well, we're talking about the section of the four way,
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: your way.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: You can pick any roads you want in Mortgantown. I
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: don't care what you're talking about. If you've got a
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: good road update, that something's getting paid, I'd like to
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: hear this.
• 56:17
  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think it's eight fifty seven there that
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: goes by the by the exit to the story, Hey,
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: weren't you big somebody? I fixed the damn roads. I
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: fixed it that list then he quit fix Yeah he
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: fixed the damn roads. Yeah, he fixed it out.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Then he walked out on the people in the state
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: of West where he said, I'm gonna fix the roads.
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: Fix the damn roads ft D.
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: And then you walked away.
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: And now we go outside, and it's like walking on
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: the moon.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: If any road is getting fixed in Morgantown, I'd love
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: to hear this. Stop yelling at him. I'm yelling at
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: him too.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: But please go ahead eight fifty seven from the old
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: Cheat Lake Road. When you come up, what is the name?
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Honest to God, you've said eight fifty seven now six times.
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: Something is something getting paid? Yes, that section of road.
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: But they're not paving, They're just they're patching the holes.
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  Speaker 3: It's the worst.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: Update in the history of updates. Ridiculous move on.
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: It was a bad update. It was did not do
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: did not do a good.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Job on that seems us retirement, seems you have lost
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: your flare, lost your fur to communicate.
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: Seven scoreless minutes there was not good.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Well you're not there. Eight fifty says fifty seven. Come
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: across one nineteen old Cheat Lake Iron Bridge, the old
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: iron bridge that where they're tired.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Iron the road in front of where you turn in
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: to go to Low's Hell.
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: You were just about a second away from a Ruby's
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: and catches reference there.
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  Speaker 3: Wrap it up, Wrap it up.
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: We've got to come back in at nine o'clock to
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: night and do our next twelve hour update.
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: I've coverage continue last text just said honorable mention my
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: ass regarding Javon Small getting honorable mention.
• 58:10
  Speaker 3: All America agree, not agree? Yeah, I agree, should have
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: been much higher on the ladder than that.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, Ding and Dong are going down to Charleston for
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: the state tournament, So if you're going to state tournament,
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: you'll be able to see him. Try to get a map,
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: bringing out the hoppy, show them where the roads are,
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: and he'll be more than happy fix fix the roads.
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: You need to work on that.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: He's a he's a human GPS.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: In regard to our I'm like, I've got well, never mind,
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: it's not didn't do well.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: So the NCAA tournament begins today, we're recording Thursday morning.
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: We're not talking about that, well we are. You might
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: want to some potential coaches.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's okay, all right, you've got You've got Ben
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: McCullum playing against Missouri tonight. You've got this is a
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: this pretty intriguing matchup. Jared cal Hoon against UCLA.
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Utah State against UCLA.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: Jared and Cronin know each other from their days at
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: Cincinnata when they were both there with Bob Huggins, among others.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Nico Medved, the Colorado State coach, in all likelihood coaching
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: his final games. The belief is that he's on his
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: way to Minnesota. So you're going to see a ton
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: of guys coaching. High Point coach also coaching.
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, high Point got in Hi points in.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: And that's that's another name that that's on list.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: Barely highly thought of in the basketball world. Yeah, offensive
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: mind there.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely so just among others, take a look at it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: Our plan is to come back here and do a
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: show Monday. I don't think you'd have anything as far
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: as a higher any quicker, but if it happens, I mean,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: if it busts, what's today Thursday. Like, if all of
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: a sudden something comes down, like Saturday, Hey, it's done, Sunday,
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: it's done, we probably come back in right on Saturday.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's Saturday, because these guys are down there. But like,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: if we need to be here in an emergency, we'll
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: be here in an emergency.
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  Speaker 3: It's uh, it's one nineteen between. It's one nineteen between
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  Speaker 3: sixty eight and the mile ground. They've done a lot
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: of good work there patching the road one nineteen betweens.
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  Speaker 1: That's great, hop, Yeah, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: There used to be orange groves there as far as
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: the eye can see. Used to ride the trolley to
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  Speaker 3: take a ferry about across there with a big rope across, had.
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