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Mega Edition: The Virginia Roberts Deposition That Helped Expose Epstein And Maxwell (Part 10-12) (7/11/23) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
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In this episode, we're going to keep powering through the
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Virginia Roberts deposition, and to do that, we're going to
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pick up where we left off. Manager. All right, Miss Roberts,
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I want to talk to you about where you were
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living in the late nineteen nineties. Do you recall you
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testified earlier. I believe that you were living at your
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parents' house and you gave us an address at the
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time you started at mar A Lago, Virginia. Yes, Manager,
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do you remember where you lived previous to living at
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your parents' house at that time? Virginia. Like I said,
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I was a runaway, so there was a lot of
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different places that I lived. One of the places that
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I lived, like I told you earlier, with Redacted's parents,
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that was somewhere around Fort Lauderdale, I believe, maybe a
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little bit outside of it, Menager, Okay, Virginia, Redacted got
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an apartment and I lived in redacted the apartment for
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a short period. Manager. And where do you recall that being,
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Virginia somewhere in Fort Lauderdale again, Manager, okay, And then
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you were living with your parents or there was another
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place in between, Virginia. Then I live with my parents, Manager, okay.
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And then where's the next place that you moved Virginia
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an apartment that Jeffrey got for me in Royal Palm Beach, Manager, okay.
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And you don't know the address of that, Virginia. No.
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I wish I could give it to you, but I
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don't know it, Manager. And you stayed at that apartment
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until you left for Thailand in the fall later in
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the year, in two thousand and two, is that correct, Virginia, Yes, Manager, right, Virginia, yes, Manager,
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all right. And when did you first stop living with
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your parents? How old were you when you first stopped
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living with your parents to this Brad Edwards objectaform, Virginia
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the very first time? Menager? Uh huh, Virginia. I believe
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I was eleven, Menager, Okay. What caused you to stop
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living with your parents when you were eleven? Virginia. I
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just had some trouble and my parents thought it would
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be better if they sent me to California, Menager. Okay.
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What kind of trouble did you have, Virginia. It's very
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hard for me to talk about. There was stuff that
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went on in my life that you know made me
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so I couldn't live with my parents anymore? Menager, what
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went on in your life that caused you to not
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be able to live with your parents at the age
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of eleven, Virginia? Do I have to answer this? Menager? Well,
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did you talk to Sharon Churcher about being molested as
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a child, Virginia? I did, Manager, and you authorized Shannon
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Churchill to publish that in a newspaper, Correct, Virginia. I
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don't think I authorized her to do it. I think
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she I wouldn't say she did it on her own accord,
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But I talked to her about it, and I wasn't
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aware of exactly what she was going to publish and
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what she wasn't. Manager, So you were able to talk
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to a reporter for the Mail on Sunday about this, correct, Virginia.
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I did tell her a little bit about my past
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and where I came from. Manager, all right, So what
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caused you to be sent away from your parents' home
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at the age of eleven to California, Virginia? Some of
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the prior abuse which led me to be a very
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troubled teenager. I mean, I guess you wouldn't call an
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eleven year old a teenager yet, but led me to
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running away a lot, and my family just thought it
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was best to get out of the area and move
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somewhere else. Manager, Okay, you had to run away prior
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to being the age of eleven, Virginia, Yes, Manager, all right?
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Was that reported to the authorities Virginia that I ran away? Manager, Yes, Virginia, Yes. Manager.
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And where were your parents living when you were the
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age of eleven, Virginia the same address that I gave
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you earlier? Menager? Okay, so the authorities associated with Locksahatchie,
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Florida were made aware that you had run away from
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your home at the age of eleven, Virginia, Yes, menager.
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And what abuse had you suffered prior to the age
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of eleven? Virginia. There was a very close family friend
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who was a very sick man, and he took advantage Manager.
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What was his name, Virginia redacted? Menager? Redacted? What Virginia redacted? Manager?
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And where is redacted today? Virginia? I don't know where
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he is. Manager. Does your family keep in contact with him? Virginia? No? Menager.
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What did he do to you, Virginia? He touched me
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in places I shouldn't be touched. He sexually abused me.
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Menager for how long, Virginia, I don't know how long. Manager.
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Did you tell that to your parents, Virginia they know, Menager?
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How did they know, Virginia I told them. Did you
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tell them when you were under the age of eleven
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or at the age of eleven? Virginia? I told them later? Manager,
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When did you tell them, Virginia. It took me a
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long time to forget my parents for sending me away.
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I didn't feel like anybody understood me. So not until
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later in my life did I feel like I was
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able to talk to anyone about it. Menager. Okay, was
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it reported to the authorities, Virginia. No, I went too
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late to talk to anybody about it. Manager. Did the
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event of you being molested cause your parents to split up? Virginia?
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I think Sharon reported that, But I don't think that's
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the case. No. My parents split up because they were
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really messed up. Manager, Your parents split up because they're
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really messed up, Virginia. Oh, they just didn't get along.
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There were a lot of marital problems. Manager. When did
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they split up, Virginia. I don't really remember what year
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it was Manager. How old were you Virginia. I believe
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I was living with Jeffrey at the time. Manager. With
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whom did you live in California, Virginia my redacted? Manager?
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And who else? Virginia? Redacted? Manager? And who else? Virginia?
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That's it? Manager? And for how long did you live
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with them? Virginia. I don't really know how long? Maybe
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over a year, maybe two years? Manager? And then what
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caused you to not live with them anymore? Virginia. I
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kept running away from them too, Manager. And where did
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you live in California, Virginia? I'm sorry, Manager, Where did
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you live in California, Virginia? Where did they live? Manager?
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Where did you live with them, Virginia, Salinas Manager? And
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do you know the address? Virginia? No? Manager. Do they
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still live there Virginia? No? Manager. When did you stop
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living there Virginia. I don't know. I haven't kept in
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contact with them. Manager. And you believe you live with
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them for a little more than a year Virginia. Maybe
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a year, maybe two years, I'm not too sure. Manager.
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Did you go to school there? Virginia? Yes? Manager. Where
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did you go to school? Virginia? Somewhere near Selenas. I'm
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assuming Manager. What grade were you in Virginia middle school? Manager?
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Sixth grade? Seventh grade? Virginia? I think sixth grade? Manager?
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And did you go there for more than one year
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or just one year? Virginia? Maybe? I don't know. I'm sorry,
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I don't know. Manager. Were the authorities in Selenas alerted
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to the fact that you ran away from home there? Virginia? Yes? Manager?
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How long was the longest you were away from home
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in Selinas, California, Virginia two weeks? Manager? And you were
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in middle school Virginia? Yes? Manager? Yes? Or no? Virginia? Oh? Oh? Yes? Manager?
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And then when did you go back to Florida Virginia?
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I don't know, Manager. Was your younger brother living with
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your parents in Florida while you were in California Virginia? Yeah? Manager?
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And was your older brother living with your parents in
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Florida while you were in California Virginia? I don't think so, Manager.
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How much older than you is he? Virginia five years? Manager?
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And then you went back to Florida. Where did you
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go to school when you eventually got back Virginia. I
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believe I went to Crestwood Middle School. Manager. And did
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you complete your studies at Crestwood Middle School, Virginia? Did
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I get out of middle school there? Yes? Manager, Okay?
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What grades were middle school Virginia, six, seven, and eight? Manager, okay.
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And when you went back to live with your parents again,
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was that at the same address in Locksahatchie, Virginia? Yes? Manager.
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And you don't believe your older brother was it the
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home at the time, Virginia? No, he was sent to
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boarding school? Manager. Where did he go to boarding school? Virginia? Washington? Menager?
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State or city Virginia, Washington above California, Menager. When was
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the next time you stopped living with your parents Virginia?
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They sent me to a group home call Growing Together? Menager?
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Why Virginia because I kept running away? Menager? Where the
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authority is alerted when you ran away? Virginia? Yes? Manager?
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And how old were you when you went to live
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at Growing Together Virginia? I don't know. It's hard for
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me to peace back dates off the top of my head.
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I don't want to guess. I don't think I should guess.
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I don't know, Manager, But you moved directly from living
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with your parents to living at Growing Together Virginia. I
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wouldn't say directly, Manager, how Virginia interrupts her. I'd say
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stayed with my parents for like, I think I finished
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school at so I would have been in I don't know.
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I guess eighth grade, finish eighth grade, and then I
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don't know. I really don't know. Around eighth grade, Manager,
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you went to Growing Together Virginia. I think I think
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it was then. Manager. How many years did you live
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at Growing Together Virginia? Over a year? Manager? Were you
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ever in foster care Virginia? What Growing Together was was
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like a group home that sent you away to foster
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parents every night, Manager, So you lived in other people's
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homes during that period of time you were assigned to
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Growing Together Virginia. Well, you stayed at Growing Together during
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the day and that at night you get sent home
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with parents. Manager. Did you go to school while you
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were at Growing Together Virginia? Yeah? They offer education there, Manager,
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So the education was at Growing Together Virginia. Yeah, Manager,
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you did not attend Palm Beach County, Virginia. I did,
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but you had to earn your levels up to be
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able to go outside. So I don't remember what level
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you have to get up to to go out to
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another school. I think there was like seven levels or something,
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and you had to make it to like level four
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to be able to go to an outside school, Menager.
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So for some time period you were assigned to Growing Together,
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and you were going to school at Growing Together, and
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for some period of time you were going to other
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schools and coming back to Growing Together Virginia, correct, Menager.
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And then when you came back to Growing Together, you
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were sent to spend the night at a family's home Virginia. Yes, Menager,
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So you never slept at Growing Together Virginia, No, Menager.
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Did you live other than living at or staying at
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Growing Together during the day and sleeping at these other
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homes at night? Is there anywhere else that you would
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call living in the period between the ages of eighth
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grade and when you started working at Mar A Lago,
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Virginia besides the ones I told you about. You know,
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I did run away from Growing Together quite often, and
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I did end up being abused by another older guy
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who I stayed with for I don't know how long. Manager.
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How well were you then, Virginia? I don't know. I'm sorry.
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I really wish I could pinpoint dates. I don't know dates. Manager, Okay,
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what was the man's name, Virginia redacted? Manager? And how
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long were you living with redacted for? Virginia? Yes? Manager,
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And how long were you living with them? Virginia, I
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don't know, Manager, days, weeks, months, Virginia. I don't know.
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I mean it wasn't days. I don't think it was weeks.
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It would have been close to maybe a few months. Manager,
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And was redacted prosecuted by federal authorities in South Florida? Virginia. Yes, Manager,
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and you were located by the FBI, I believe, yes,
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says Virginia. Manager. And you gave an interview to the
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FBI earning your time with redacted? Correct Virginia. Yes, Manager.
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Did you ever get a victim's notification letter regarding your
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status as a victim in redacted's federal criminal prosecution? Virginia,
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I don't know. My parents handled everything. Manager. Do you
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know if your parents received such a letter? I don't know,
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says Virginia. Manager. Have you ever asked them Virginia? No,
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I've really never brought it up with them. It really
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pissed them off a lot, so I never brought it
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up with them. Manager. It pissed them off. That you
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were living with redacted Virginia. Yes. Manager. Why did it
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piss them off, you know? Virginia. Well, I think they
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were just disgusted, you know that this happened to me again,
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and they didn't want to talk about it. They didn't
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want to talk about it, but they were aware of it,
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says manager. Virginia. Yes, Manager, and your dad came and
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picked you up from the police station. Virginia. Yes, Manager,
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and your dad would not let you come home. Virginia. Well,
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I think it was more my mom didn't want me
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to come home. Manager. Did she say why? Virginia? Well,
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I asked my dad at the police station if I
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could come back home instead of going to growing together,
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and he said, my mom didn't want me to come home.
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And I told him if he didn't get me out
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within a week, I'd run away again and he'd never
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hear from me again. Manager. And how is it you
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came back to be living at their house again, Virginia.
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I ran away again and I called him up and
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I said, this is your final chance. And they came
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and picked me up and they let me live there. Manager.
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And when did you go live with redacted? Virginia? Not long?
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After that? And when did you live with Redacted's parents Virginia. Well,
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I live with Redacted's parents before I live with redacted
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in his apartment Manager, and that was the apartment that
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redacted rented, Virginia. Redacted his friend. I can't remember his
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friend's name, Mario. I think his friend's name was manager.
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When did you live with redacted as parents, Virginia. That
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was just a brief stint. I didn't really stay there
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very long, but it was I was a runaway. That's
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in between times of I don't know manager. How old
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were you, Virginia. I don't know, manager. I just want
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to be clear. Redacted rented an apartment that you moved
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into that he rented, correct Virginia, Correct manager. And that
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was after you lived with redacted and his parents, correct Virginia,
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Correct manager. And that was prior to you and Redacted
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living with your parents when you started working at mar
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A Lago. Correct Virginia, Correct manager. Do I have that
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sequence right, Virginia so far? Yes? Manager? And when did
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you stop living at your parents at the time you
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started working at mar A Lago. How long after you
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started at mar A Lago did you stop living with
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your parents? Virginia. I don't know exact dates. I was
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traveling with Jeffrey a lot, and I was making he
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was giving me lots of money for the sex that
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I had with him and Golaine, and after I would
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say a short time. I'm not too sure, Darling, I
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don't know, Menager, all right? Can you? Manager? I have
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no recollection of which number were on in terms of
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exhibit Ms. Rodriguez fifteen. Menager, okay, I'd like to mark
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as defendants Exhibit fifteen a document and see if you
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can identify it. Actually, before I do that, when do
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you recall ever getting a passport Virginia? I got my
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passport in New York. I don't know what age I was. Okay,
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says manager. And did you how did you get it?
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Did you go somewhere? What happened? Virginia? Jeffrey had me
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fill out paperwork and go to a Kodak shop or
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something similar of a Kodak shop and get my picture taken.
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I gave him my picture and my paperwork. He sent
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it away. I think a week later he said it
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got expedited. Manager, did you physically go to an office
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in New York, Virginia, Jeffrey's office manager and office associated
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with immigration or homeland security or whatever it was called
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back then. Virginia, not that I recall, Menager. And do
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you know how old you were? Virginia? No, I don't
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know how old you have to be to get a passport,
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so I'm not too sure. Exhibit fifteen marked, Manager. Okay,
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I'm going to show you defend and exhibit fifteen. Do
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you recognize this document? Virginia answers yes. All right. We're
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gonna wrap up right there, and in the next episode
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we're going to pick up where we left off. All
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of the information that goes with this episode can be
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found in the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome
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back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going
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to pick up where we left off with the Virginia
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Roberts deposition. So let's just get right back to it,
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shall we. Manager? Is it in your handwriting? Virginia? Yes? Menager?
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All right? What did you put down as your address
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at this time to mail the passport two? It's about
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the second line, third line, Virginia number thirteen. Manager. Well,
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the third line says mail passport two. What address did
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you put down Virginia. Are we talking about number thirteen
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permanent address, do not list po box or street? Manager, No,
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I'm talking about the third line in the entire thing
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that says mail passport two. Virginia. Oh, I'm sorry up here,
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the redacted manager. Alright. So you asked to have the
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passport maild to you at your parents' address, right, Virginia.
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I don't know if it was mailed to my parents' house,
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but that's the address I sent put down, yes, Manager, okay.
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And if you look a little bit further to the right,
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roughly equal with that line, do you see a date
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that stamped on there? Virginia, Yeah, January twelfth, two thousand
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and one. Menager, okay. And then if you go down
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a little bit further, as you pointed out, line number thirteen,
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you gave your permanent address as your parents' address again, correct, Virginia, correct, menager.
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And if you look at box number twelve where it
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asked for occupation, what did you write down? Virginia massus menager? Okay.
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If you look at line number eighteen, have you ever
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been issued a US passport before? What did you put down? Virginia? No, menager,
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all right. And if you go down a little bit
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further than that emergency contact. Who did you put down
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Virginia redacted? Menager? Okay, so that the fiance you were
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talking about earlier, Virginia, Yes, menager in January of two
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thousand and one, were you still his fiance, Virginia? It
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looks like it, yes, menager. And what address did you
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put down for are redacted? Virginia. It's kind of hard
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to read. I think that's redacted and redacted. I really
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can't make out the telephone number. Menager. Okay? Do you
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see relationship? Can you read that? Virginia a friend? Menager? Okay?
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Do you see just below that there's a line that
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says twenty one Virginia, do not stop sorry, do not
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sign application until requested to do so by administrating an oath. Menager? Okay,
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Virginia applicant signature age thirteen or older. Menager. Oh, it's
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by the signature line Virginia. Yeah, menager. And that's your signature, Virginia, yes, menager.
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All right. And this is the document that you recall
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filling out for your first passport, Virginia. I don't recall
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doing it, but yes, it's in my handwriting and it's
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got all of my information on it, Menager, okay. And
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online box twenty three, it's got your driver license checked
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off right, Virginia to U twenty third. Yeah. I really
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can't make out numbers and stuff though, Menager, But the
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box driver's license is checked off Virginia. Yes, Menager, okay.
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And then if you look in the lower right hand
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corner of the page, do you see what we call
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a bait stamp number. I don't know if you know
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what that means Virginia, No, Menager, just the lower right
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hand corner of the document, Virginia zero zero four seven
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two one Manager, Okay, thank you. So at January two
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thousand and one was redacted living at Redacteds, Virginia. Well,
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he would have had to have been if I put
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it down there, Meninger. Okay. Was that the apartment that
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he had rented Virginia. No, it's in Royal Palm Beach.
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The apartment he rented was in Fort Lauderdale, So this
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could have been my apartment that he lived at with me. Menager. Okay.
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So his apartment where he lived with you was in
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Royal Palm Beach, Virginia, yes, Menager, And he rented that
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apartment to this Brad Edwards objects a form and he
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says it's a mischaracterization of her testimony. Virginia. He lived
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there with me for a short period. I don't know
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how long you lived there with me for Menager. And
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who rented the apartment Virginia, Well, Jeffrey paid for the apartment.
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I was the occupant and he was an occupant. Menager.
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Did you ever see the least Virginia? Yes. I believe
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I had to sign paperwork saying that I was living there, Menager.
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So you were living at is it redacted redacted? Virginia.
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I can honestly read it. It looks like CAC but
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that doesn't make sense, Menager. So January of two thousand
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and one, you signed the document under oath putting redacted
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and redacted Virginia. Yes, Manager, And you put your permanent
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address and your mail your passport to at your parent's
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address Virginia. Yes, Menager, is that right? And it's your position?
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That is the apartment that Jeffrey paid for and you
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signed the least Virginia. Yes, Jeffrey paid for it, and
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I think I had to sign something that said I
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was going to occupy it. I don't know if James
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ever did. Menager. Okay, and you stayed at the apartment
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from at least January two thousand and one until you
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left in the fall of two thousand, right, Virginia. I
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would say before then. Yes, Like I said, I can't
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really tell you the exact date that I moved there.
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But Menager, why did you have your passport sent to
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your parents' house if you weren't living at your parents'
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house Virginia. I don't know. I guess a fail safe.
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I'm not too sure, Menager. When was the next passport
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that you got? Virginia. I think I had to reapply
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for one, and well this one expired in two thousand
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and two, so I would have had to apply for
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another one. Menager. I'm asking, do you remember when you
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go I got another passport, Virginia. This expired January tenth,
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two thousand and two. Manager. Let me have you put
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that paper down, Virginia. Yes. Manager. Do you recall applying
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for another passport? Virginia? No, Manager, Okay, do you ever
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recall applying for another passport ever? Virginia. Well, yeah, when
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I got to Australia, I had to I don't have
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it on me right now, But I could tell you
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it's I had to apply for another one because the
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other one ran out as expirey Manager, So whenever one expired,
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you applied for another one from the US. Virginia indicating manager.
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Have you ever gotten is that right? Virginia? Yeah? Manager?
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Have you ever gotten a passport from Australia? Virginia and
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Australian passport? Manager? Right, Virginia, No Manager. Have you ever
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lost a passport or had to get one replaced? Virginia.
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I don't think so. When was the first time that
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you came back from Australia Virginia October sixteenth, twenty thirteen. Manager.
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And did you come back before that? Virginia? No Manager.
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Did you ever tell Sharon Churcher or Sharon White or
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Mary Anne Strong that you were going on a trip
25:17
to New York in twenty eleven? Virginia? No Menager. Is
25:23
it your contention that Golan Maxwell sexually trafficked you to
25:26
famous people? Virginia? If you have a document in front
25:30
of you that you could show me so I could
25:32
see what you're talking about, yes, Manager, I'm asking you,
25:36
is it your contention that Glenn Maxwell sexually trafficked you
25:40
to famous people, Virginia. Could you be more specific, like,
25:44
are we talking about rock stars or royalty or menager?
25:49
Politically connected and financially powerful people, Virginia, Yes, manager, Okay?
25:55
To whom did Glean Maxwell sexually traffick you, Virginia. You
25:59
have to understand that Jeffrey and Glaine are joined hip
26:03
by hip. Okay, so they both trafficked me. Glaine brought
26:07
me in for the purpose of being trafficked. Jeffrey was
26:09
just as a part of it as she was. She
26:12
was just as a part of it as he was.
26:15
They trafficked me to many people. And to be honest,
26:18
there is people I can name, and then there's people
26:20
that are just a blur. There was so much happening. Menager. Okay,
26:24
please name a person that Glainne Maxwell directed you to
26:28
go have sex with, Virginia redacted? Manager Okay? Who else? Virginia?
26:34
As a whole, they both trafficked me to people. It
26:37
was under both of their direction, So it's not easy
26:40
just to say Glaine. When I say they, I mean
26:43
both of them. Menager. Okay, Well, I need you to
26:46
say a time when Glen Maxwell directed you to go
26:49
have sex with another person, So can you please tell
26:52
me to whom Glainne Maxwell asked you to go have
26:55
sex with another person? Brad Edwards objects to this and
26:59
the objects to the form of the question, Virginia, redacted Manager,
27:04
who else? Virginia, I'm going to continue to tell you
27:07
that they both directed me to do it. It was
27:09
part of my training. They both told me, you've got
27:12
tickets to go here, this is who you're meeting, and
27:15
this is what you're doing. So redacted is another one.
27:19
Manager Glenn Maxwell directed you to go have sex with redacted.
27:24
Edwards objects again to the form of the question and
27:27
says that it's mischaracterized or testimony. Virginia, I'm trying to
27:31
tell you that they both did. Glaine and Jeffrey both
27:35
directed me. They both paid me, and they both directed me. Menainger,
27:39
All right, when did Glenn Maxwell direct you to go
27:41
have sex with redacted? Brad Edwards objects once again to
27:46
the form same objection, Virginia, I don't know the time.
27:50
I don't you know. I could tell you the place.
27:52
I don't know the time. Menager, what words did Glenn
27:56
Maxwell use in talking to you and asking you to
27:59
go have sex with redacted, Virginia, we're sending you to
28:03
a gentleman. We want you to do exactly what you
28:08
do for Jeffrey to him keep him happy. I can't
28:11
remember her exact words, and I'm not going to put
28:13
words in my mouth to make it sound like what
28:16
she said. But it was all along those lines, Menager,
28:20
those are the words that Glen Maxwell used to you,
28:22
directing you to go have sex with redacted. Edwards again
28:27
objects to the form and says it mischaracterized the testimony
28:31
Virginia along those lines, yes, Menager. Okay, where were you
28:35
located when she used those words with you, Virginia. It
28:39
could have been Palm Beach, It could have been New York. Manager.
28:43
You don't recall, Virginia, I don't recall, Menager. Okay, how
28:48
old were you when she used those words to you?
28:50
Again to this Brad Edwards, he objects and again objecting
28:55
the form, Virginia, I don't know. I would think I
28:58
was seventeen. Men but you're not sure, Virginia. Well, it
29:02
was in the beginning, like after my training. Redacted were
29:06
the first two people I was sent out to. Manager. Okay, well,
29:11
I was asking about redacted and redacted Okay, Virginia. Right,
29:15
that's what I'm saying. If you want me to go
29:17
categorically to tell you what happened and why. I think
29:21
I was seventeen because those were the two first people
29:24
I was sent to. Manager, So you don't actually recall
29:28
the conversation regarding redacted. You don't recall where you were, right, Virginia.
29:34
I can't picture if it was New York. I know
29:36
it was either New York or Palm Beach. I don't
29:38
remember exactly which one. Manager. You don't recall exactly what
29:43
words were used by Glene Maxwell speaking to you, correct, Virginia,
29:48
I remember the tone that she used, the type of
29:50
words that she used. I can't word for word replay
29:53
what was said manager, all right, and so when in
29:58
time was redact Virginia redacted? Was months? Six months? I'm
30:03
not too sure manager, six months? What Virginia before redacted?
30:09
I don't know. I think I met Prince Andrew in
30:11
two thousand and one, and Glenn Dubin and Stephen Kaufman were,
30:15
like I said, the first people I was sent out
30:18
to after my training, So I don't know. I'm not
30:21
going to give you an exact time. If I don't know, menager.
30:25
I asked you the relative order Virginia, and I'm trying
30:28
to give it to you manager. And where does Alan
30:31
Dershowitz fit into that group of people Virginia same, I
30:35
can't tell you piece by piece Who I know Glenn
30:38
Dubin was first manager, okay, Virginia, And I know Stephen
30:43
Kaufman was one of the first I was sent to
30:46
Alan Dershowitz could have been in between there between, sorry,
30:49
between Glenn and Steven. The first time I was with
30:53
Alan Dershowitz was in New York, so I was actually
30:56
sent to him. It actually happened at one of Jeffrey's residences.
31:00
So it's very hard for me to chronologically give you
31:04
each person individually. All right, folks, We're gonna wrap up
31:07
this part here and in the next episode we'll pick
31:10
up where we left off. All of the information that
31:13
goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
31:18
What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
31:22
In this episode, we're gonna pick up where we left
31:24
off with the Virginia Roberts deposition manager Okay, name the
31:31
other politically connected and financially powerful people that Golen Maxwell
31:35
told you to go have sex with Virginia. Okay, I'm
31:39
going to tell you they because that's how it went.
31:42
They instructed me to go to George Mitchell, Jean Luke Brunel,
31:46
Bill Richardson, another prince that I don't know his name,
31:49
a guy that owns a hotel, a really large hotel chain.
31:52
I can't remember which hotel. It was, Marvin Minsky. There was,
31:56
you know, another foreign president. I can't remember his name.
31:59
He you was Spanish. There was a whole bunch of
32:01
them that I just it's hard for me to remember
32:04
all of them. You know, I was told to do
32:06
something by these people, constantly told to My whole life
32:10
revolved around just pleasing these men and keeping Golaine and
32:13
Jeffrey happy. Their whole entire lives revolved around sex. They
32:17
call massages sex, they call modeling sex they call Virginia's
32:22
interrupted here by menager who asks, I ask you the
32:26
names for people. Are you going to tell me any
32:28
other names? Or is that all of them? Virginia. I'm
32:31
trying to think. That's the answer I'm trying to give you.
32:34
It's that it's hard to just keep naming and naming
32:37
and naming. Menager all right, Virginia, A lot of the
32:41
times I would be introduced to them, I didn't know.
32:45
And Virginia's cut off in the middle of her comment
32:48
by Menager, if you're going to tell me more names,
32:50
please continue your answer, Virginia, I'm trying to think, Menager,
32:55
if you're just going to talk, Virginia, I'm sorry, I'm
32:58
trying to think. Okay, let's take a break and then
33:01
you can think it over. They get back from the
33:04
break and Menager ask Virginia you have filed a lawsuit
33:07
against Maxwell? Correct? Virginia, yes, Menager, you understand her to
33:12
be my client? Correct? Virginia, yes, Menager, you understand her
33:18
to be my client? Correct Virginia. Yes. Manager, I'm here
33:22
to talk to you about your allegations against Gallaian Maxwell.
33:25
Do you understand that, Virginia, yes. Manager. I want you
33:29
to tell me a single time that you recall Gallainn
33:32
Maxwell using words to you and directing you to go
33:35
have sex with another person. Brad Edwards objects to this,
33:39
and manager keeps going not anybody else Gallainn Maxwell. Edwards
33:45
objects again, asked an answered to the extent that she
33:48
can answer the question. I'd ask that she answered the question. Virginia,
33:53
I have answered the question. The question that you're asking
33:56
me is Glaine, and Glaine and Jeffrey work together. They
34:00
were the same person. They both directed me to do this.
34:03
They both directed me to report back to them. They
34:05
were both the same menager. You cannot recall a single
34:09
instance in which Glaine and here, Virginia interrupts, Virginia, I
34:14
have to menager, excuse me, in which Glainne Maxwell alone
34:17
directed you to have sex with another person. Virginia, I
34:21
have to menager. Correct, Virginia. Believe Edwards object Menager, I
34:27
am going to finish my question. Manager, correct, mister Edwards object.
34:32
So you finished with your question, manager, Now you may
34:35
make your objection, and then she may answer Edward's Okay, objection,
34:39
argumentative harassing for absolutely no reason, mischaracterizing the witnesses testimony.
34:45
Answer if you can, Virginia, I gave you the names
34:48
of the people that Golaine herself has told me to
34:51
go be sex trafficked to, along with Jeffrey Epstein. Okay,
34:54
she's the one who brought me to Jeffrey Epstein to
34:56
be trafficked in the fucking first place. So I've given
34:59
you as much information as I possibly can to let
35:02
you know what she was about, who she told me
35:04
to go with, what she wanted me to do. That
35:07
is what I'm stating, and that's what I previously stated
35:10
to you, menager. And these names that you have just
35:13
given are people to whom Gallain Maxwell alone told you
35:17
to go have sex with Edwards again objects characterization. Virginia,
35:23
Glaan and Jeffrey. I don't know how many times you
35:25
want me to keep answering this question both told me
35:27
to do this. Okay, they both sent me to people.
35:30
How many times do you want me to answer this, Menager?
35:33
I think you're answering a different question, So that's why
35:35
I'm going to keep asking you again. I am not
35:38
asking you anything about the time when Jeffrey and Glayne
35:41
told you together to go and do something. I'm asking
35:44
you to name a single time during which Colaine Maxwell,
35:48
acting alone directed you to go have sex with another
35:51
person Edwards again, objex asked and answered, harassing argumentative. I've
35:56
given you the names of the people Virginia says that
35:59
Golaan instruct me to go have sexual relations with I'm
36:02
not discluding the fact that Jeffrey also told me. Glaine
36:05
told me from her mouth to do these things. Jeffrey
36:08
told me from his mouth to do these things with
36:11
these people. Glaine instructed me to go do these things
36:14
that I did with Jeffrey Epstein on the very first
36:17
meeting that I had with them. She brought me there
36:20
under the preclusion that I was going to be a
36:23
trained messuse, and that she instructed me to take off
36:26
my clothes and give oral sex to Jeffrey Epstein. Menager,
36:30
excuse me, I've asked you for names, Virginia. I've just
36:34
given you a name. Jeffrey Epstein is a big name manager,
36:37
all right, Virginia. She instructed me on that one manager.
36:41
So you're saying, mister Edwards. The witness is finishing her
36:44
answer right now. She's in the process of explaining one
36:47
of the people Glaine told her to have sex with. Manager.
36:51
So you're saying, Glaine Maxwell directed you to have sex
36:54
with Epstein, Virginia. Correct, Manager, Glean Maxwell directed you to
37:00
have sex with Glenn dubin Virginia. Correct. Menager, what words
37:05
did Glenn Maxwell tell you to go have sex with
37:07
Glenn dubin Virginia? It was the same all the time.
37:11
All right, they want me to go provide these men
37:14
with a massage. And when they say massage, that means erotic. Okay,
37:18
that's their term for it. I think there are plenty
37:21
of other witnesses that can attest to what massage actually means.
37:25
And I'm telling you that Glaine told me to go
37:28
to redacted and give them a massage, which means sex. Menager. Okay,
37:34
so redacted. Glenn Maxwell told you to go give a
37:37
massage to redacted Virginia. Correct, Menager. That's your testimony, Virginia.
37:43
That is my testimony, Menager. All right, Glenn Maxwell told
37:47
you to go give a massage to redact it. Correct, Virginia. Correct, Menager,
37:53
Glenn Maxwell told you to give a massage to redact it. Correct, Virginia. Correct. Manager,
37:59
Glenn Maxwell told you to give a massage to redact it. Correct, Virginia. Correct, Menager.
38:05
When did Glenn Maxwell tell you to give a massage
38:08
to redact it, Virginia? I don't know the dates, Menager.
38:12
Where were you, Virginia when it happened? Menager? When Glenn
38:17
Maxwell used the words go give a massage to Bill Richardson,
38:20
where were you, Brad Edwards objects to the form and
38:24
says that it mischaracterizes her testimony. Virginia, I can tell
38:28
you where we were. I know where I was sent to.
38:31
I don't know where we were when she told me
38:33
to do that. Menager, were you sent to Virginia Andrew Jex,
38:39
New Mexico manager by Glenn Maxwell. Brad Edwards objects again,
38:45
and this time it's the form and it mischaracterizes her testimony.
38:48
Once again, Virginia then asked, manager, are you smiling at me?
38:53
Because to this She's cut off and manager goes, no,
38:57
I'm asking you to answer the question. Virgin I have
39:00
answered the question. I was sent to New Mexico. Menager, okay,
39:05
where were you sent from? Virginia? I already answered that
39:08
I don't know where I was sent from. Menager, Okay, Virginia,
39:12
I was flying everywhere with these people. Menager, where were
39:16
you sent by Glenn Maxwell to have sex with redacted?
39:19
Edwards again objects to the form and says that it
39:22
mischaracterizes the testimony many places. Virginia responds, Menager, Glenn Maxwell
39:28
sent you to many places to have sex with redacted.
39:32
Brad Edwards again objects to form. Virginia responds that happened
39:36
at many places. Yes, Menager, you had sex with redacted
39:40
at many places? Is that what you're saying, correct, Virginia,
39:44
I was sent to redacted at many places to have
39:46
sex with them? Menager, When did Glenn Maxwell send you
39:50
to a place to have sex with redacted? Virginia starts
39:53
to answer, you're asking, but then Edwards interjects form Virginia
39:57
me to answer the impossible, Menager, all right, when did
40:01
Glenn Maxwell sends you to have sex with the owner
40:04
of a large hotel chain? Edwards again objects to the
40:07
form and says mischaracterization, Virginia. I'm going to keep answering
40:12
the questions the same way that I keep answering them.
40:15
I don't know where it was when she said to
40:17
go do this, Menager? Okay, where were you sent to
40:20
have sex with the owner of a large hotel chain
40:23
by Glenn Maxwell? Edwards again objects to form. Virginia, I
40:27
believe it was one time in France, Menager? Which time
40:31
in France? Virginia? I believe it was around the same
40:34
time that Naomi Campbell had a birthday party, Menager, where
40:38
did you have sex with the owner of a large
40:40
hotel chain in France? Around the time of Naomi Campbell's
40:44
birthday party, Virginia in his own cabana townhouse thing. It
40:48
was part of a hotel, but I wouldn't call it
40:50
a hotel. Jeffrey was staying there. Golaine was staying there,
40:54
Emmy was staying there. I was staying there. This other
40:57
guy was staying there. I don't know his name. I
40:59
was instructed by Glaine to go and give them an
41:01
erotic massage. Menager. She used the words erotic massage, Virginia. No,
41:07
that's my word. The word massage is what they would use.
41:11
That's their code word, Menager. Was she in the room
41:15
when you gave this erotic massage to the owner of
41:17
a large hotel chain, Virginia, No, she was not in
41:21
the room. She was in another cabana, Menager. And other
41:25
than telling you to give the owner of this large
41:27
hotel chain a massage, do you remember any other words
41:30
that she used to direct you in what you should do?
41:33
Virginia not at the time, No, Menager. Where did where
41:37
were you and where was miss Maxwell when she directed
41:40
you to go have sex with Marvin Minsky Edward's objective form? Virginia,
41:45
I don't know menager. Where did you go to have
41:48
sex with Marvin Minsky? Virginia. I believe it was the
41:52
US Virgin Islands. Sorry, Jeffrey Epstein's island in the US
41:55
Virgin Islands, Menager? And when was that, Virginia? I don't know, Menager.
42:01
Do you have any time of year? Virginia? No? Menager?
42:05
Do you know how old you were? Virginia? No menager
42:09
other than Glenn Dubin, Steven Kaufman, Prince Andrew, Jean Luke Brunel,
42:13
Bill Richardson another prince, the large hotel chain owner, and
42:17
Marvin Minsky. Is there anyone else that Glenn Maxwell directed
42:21
you to go have sex with? And I hate to
42:23
interject here, folks, but really that's not enough. Oh well,
42:26
we're gonna need some more people, I mean, for real, Virginia.
42:30
I am definitely sure there is, but I can't remember
42:33
everybody's name. Manager, Okay, can you remember anything else about them? Virginia. Look,
42:39
I've given you what I know right now. I'm sorry.
42:42
This is hard for me and very frustrating to have
42:45
to go over this. I don't even recall all of
42:47
the people. There was a large amount of people that
42:49
I was sent to Manager, do you have any notes
42:52
on all these people that you were sent to? Virginia? No,
42:56
I do not, Manager. Where are your notes, Virginia? I
42:59
burned them, Menager. When did you burn them, Virginia in
43:03
a bonfire when I lived in Titusville because I was
43:06
sick of going through this shit? Menager? Did you have
43:09
lawyers who were representing you at the time you built
43:12
the bonfire and burned those notes, Virginia. I've been represented
43:16
for a long time, but it was not under the
43:18
instruction of my lawyers to do this. My husband and
43:21
I were pretty spiritual people, and we believe these memories
43:24
were worth burning. Menager. So you burn notes of the
43:27
men with whom you had sex with while you were
43:30
represented by counsel in litigation? Correct, mister Edwards objective form, Virginia.
43:36
This wasn't anything that was public document. This was my
43:39
own private journal and I didn't want it anymore, so
43:42
we burned it. Menager. When did you write that journal, Virginia?
43:46
Just over time I started writing it and probably in
43:49
I don't know. I can't speculate. Twenty twelve, twenty eleven, Menager.
43:54
So you did not write this journal at the time
43:56
It happened, Virginia. No, Menager, you started writing this journal
44:01
approximately a decade after you claimed you finished being sexually trafficked. Correct, Virginia, Yes, Manager,
44:08
And you started writing a journal after you had a lawyer, correct,
44:12
Virginia correct, Menager, including mister Edwards who is sitting right here?
44:17
Correct Virginia correct Menager. What did that journal look like,
44:22
Virginia It was green, menager? And what else? Virginia It
44:27
was just a spiral notebook, Menager. Okay? And what did
44:30
you put into a green spiral notebook, Virginia, bad memories. Things.
44:34
I've gone through, lots of things, you know. I can't
44:37
tell you. There was a lot of pages. It was
44:39
over three hundred pages in that book. Manager. Did you
44:43
ever show that book to your lawyers? Virginia, No. Manager.
44:47
Did you ever show that book to anyone Virginia my husband. Manager.
44:51
Did you show it to anyone else besides your husband? Virginia? No. Manager.
44:56
Did you tear out pages and give them to Sharon Churchier? Virginia, No.
45:00
I wrote those pages that you're talking about. I wrote
45:03
for her specifically. She wanted to know about the Prince
45:07
Andrew incident. Manager, So that's a different piece of paper, Virginia. Yeah,
45:12
that's just random paper. Manager. So you had a green
45:15
spiral notebook that you began sometime in twenty eleven or
45:18
twenty twelve in which you wrote down your recollections about
45:22
what had happened to you, and you burn that in
45:24
a bonfire in twenty thirteen. Did I get that right? Answer?
45:28
You got that right? Manager? And do you have no
45:33
other names of people to whom you claim Glenn Maxwell
45:36
directed you to have sex with, correct, Virginia at this time? No, Manager.
45:42
Is there any documentation that would refresh your recollection that
45:46
you could look at, Virginia. If you have a document
45:49
that you'd like to show me, I would be glad
45:51
to look at it and tell you if the names
45:53
I recognize off of that Menager. I'm just asking you
45:57
if there's a document you know of that has this
46:00
list of names on it, Virginia. No, not in front
46:03
of me. No. All right. We're gonna wrap up this
46:06
episode here and in the next episode we'll pick up
46:09
where we left off. All of the information that goes
46:12
with this episode can be found in the description box.