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Talks to John Bensalhia about his choice of The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe. · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Welcome back to. I have silver blunt.
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  Penknife the Doctor Who comedy podcast back by popular demand.
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  And I can say this with some Authority.
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  Jon Benson Alia. Say hello.
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  Good morning. Hello.
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  How are you doing today? And I'm very well, thank you.
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  How are you? Well, I have a question for you.
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  Yes, far away in the words of Mula from the pirate Planet.
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  Why? I why, why, why are we watching
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  what we're watching today? Why are we watching this?
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  Well, the story that I had chosen, is called the doctor,
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  the Widow, and the Wardrobe. And I kind of wanted a polar
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  opposite from the last fund these days, which was sitting
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  there and because there were so many positives in that, you
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  know, I mean, there's literally nothing to criticize whereas
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  Doctor the Widow wardrobe is kind of a mirror image of that.
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  Indeed, there's so yeah maybe it's a challenge to root out any
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  positives today but it should be quite a considerable challenge
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  are aching. I watch this yesterday.
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  Okay I couldn't finish it. It's famously my least favorite
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  Doctor. Who story of all time?
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  Forget the dominators. Forget underworld.
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  This is my least favorite Doctor.
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  Who story. In fact it took me.
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  Five years to review it on my blog because I refuse to go back
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  and watch it again. I fell asleep when it was first
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  aired on Christmas day, and I just didn't want to watch it
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  again. Yeah.
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  Oh my God. I mean, it's just not one of
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  those stories that I would readily.
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  You know, saw watching a heartbeat, you know, it's not
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  the sort of, you know. Oh, right.
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  I'm gonna go to the DVD show. Take that was not all I do.
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  Yeah, let's pick the pot to the Widow and the Wardrobe.
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  Anybody I watched it a few days ago and I haven't seen it.
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  Like remember when the last time it was I think about two years
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  but see also it's just not one of those stories that, you know,
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  I don't see. But yeah it's totally on board
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  with what you're saying. There's, there's plenty to
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  criticize. I was rather hoping that you
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  would have more positives to say them be just, so there were some
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  positives in there. I'm hoping you have at least one
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  because I couldn't find one. So, Might be that might have to
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  wait to sleep. So yeah, that well interested.
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  And this is like, I think this is the first time I've got into
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  this ready to criticize with somebody where because I usually
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  don't even like, revenge of the Cybermen even, which is a story.
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  I've struggled, even the silver Nemesis, I found massive
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  positives in those stories and things to enjoy.
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  That's great. You know, that there are some,
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  there are plenty of good things, you know, dotted about you.
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  No, you know the lead axons and you know you know Tom Baker is
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  Slade in the Amar. So you've already got three
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  positives. Yeah.
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  Sylvester McCoy inside the order.
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  You know you've got two more steps they already.
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  Yeah. So now this is Remington in
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  episode three who are just think, is delightful?
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  That's the way we surely do. Honey, we shall I do my God.
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  She needed like, I needed her backstory and I got it in that
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  in that commentary. Our you do so?
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  Yes. But before we start, so I have
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  spent many an hour over the last couple of years reading, some
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  things that you have written. And I know it'll be this last
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  time, but if you could very quickly, again, tell us about
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  the books that you have out there, okay?
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  All right. Well, I have written half
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  thousand reviews and guides to the doctors from the other
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  color. Here, all that's big.
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  Perpetual Outsider, they're available 40 pounds each and
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  Amazon eBooks. Those shocking job.
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  That is a shocking price. I'm sorry, bump that up.
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  I'm not good at doing that, I'm not good at doing, but I've
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  never been one to my mind Champion.
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  Is, if you like Doctor Who and you interested in, you know, job
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  hurts me to Peter, cordero's, give it a go.
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  You might like them, or if you want a good sleep, good also
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  good. Well, you know, if you'll
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  forgive the double entendre, I'm gonna blow your trumpet now.
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  How do you add? I want to say that.
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  I mean you you offer a phenomenal take on the Matt
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  Smith era which I. Yeah.
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  But in a form of confirmation bias, I was just reading it.
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  Like this is half this and this man is literally actualizing how
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  I think, however you're not a complete more fit a sir, you
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  really like the couple years that that use that.
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  So that's a like it's Matt Smith and No, no.
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  It's Capaldi is no matter their own volume, aren't they?
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  No. No.
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  Excuse all the news stories that they just reviews?
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  Because, you know, a lot of them, you know, don't really
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  have kind of like extras and climbing trees and but a lot of
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  them aren't you know, in book form.
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  So I just thought the next you know by Wolves reviews in one
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  book for the new era which is from Christopher Eccleston to be
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  scauldy and yeah that's that's the abilities for you.
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  But she's, they want to bounce or we never been shot at last.
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  I've actually, and I love that that you talk about the extras
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  and you offer, like, sometimes many reviews on the extras and
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  the commentaries as well. No one else does that as far as
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  I'm aware? Because I've not read anywhere
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  else much, I'm sure there must be wants be on Doctor.
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  Who magazine that? Just loves everything they say.
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  Everything's amazing because of course they hear ya.
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  Yeah, pretty soon uses that you know, he's all everything so
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  great, you know, that they're being paid to do that, you know,
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  that they can, you know, that they got to toe the party line
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  and but what is what is not hideous, buy your books.
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  So I'm telling you now go out there and read them, okay.
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  Thank you for like 20 pounds each.
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  So II was a tenor last time if we keep doing this That's
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  probably my inside bank account cleared out.
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  Okay, that's probably my bank account doubled.
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  So okay, I'm avoiding pressing play.
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  Are we good? Do this is going to be done.
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  These, it's like ripping a blastula, you know, just going
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  to be done. Okay, I'll count as in, in the
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  style of Matt Smith, Go For It Go, but I can't even voice.
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  Five out of full-on afraid and a 2 and a 1.
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  Let's go. Amy.
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  Hey we go. Here we go.
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  Right planet Earth. That's not a bad start.
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  Yeah, I don't normally like pretty, a special environment
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  and a Star Wars ask opening as we pass a spaceship pans over
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  the camera. I think he's actually quite a
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  good opening but the problem is it's completely irrelevant to
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  what comes next. There's a lot of this going on
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  though, you know, Time of the Doctor opens like this.
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  So does the commands go to war over these unseen?
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  Teachers that we've, we can little glimpses of which are
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  tantalizing more interesting than what we get.
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  I mean this, I mean, this is good start.
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  I mean, it's blow directing, there's not an action in slow
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  motion. But can I say, okay, this
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  exemplifies, this story for me, it's, I say it's the same way I
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  described at Stones writing. It's 22.
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  It's too fast. It's too slow mo.
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  It's too wacky. It's extreme.
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  Yeah, it's extreme seasonal. Yeah, there we go.
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  See you summed up in the word. Yeah.
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  Thank you. Yeah.
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  Never trust any cash. Never trust gimmicky, who never
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  trust you, you know. So I mean what exactly is Matt
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  Smith trying to bring? Well, he's not going on is a
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  space or isn't it? What he's open space right now.
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  So technically he should be sucked out.
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  Surely he should either be Exploded or yeah.
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  Oh, here we go, guys. But this is but that is some
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  okay. I'm always very praiseworthy.
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  Knew who-who some dodgy CS over there.
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  It's not great. Yeah I mean you can tell like
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  the queen sleeping around and he kind of looks like a bull's eye
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  mask. Fucking.
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  We opening titles really like oh you're terrible.
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  I don't mind it really. I love the security.
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  One, the call T 1. Where is that?
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  Yeah, that sounds like so many. It's like it's like that song,
• 10:16
  Crazy, Horse's by the Ottomans and the in it, there's it does,
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  you know what they say? Don't you.
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  It's like Charlie says song. Okay, this is his name, you
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  know, it's basically dressed in a plane crash Skinner.
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  Again, this is everything I've seen Chris kinery praised the
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  exact same roll out numbers. She's in marble chips and pero
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  Midsomer Murders, and she can handle this by exactly the same
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  parents of this kind of prissy, sort of, you know,
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  upper-middle-class you know, Do you good suppose I didn't
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  replace gonna well. It's but she never liked saying,
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  if any other kind of role, you know, like a do an Axe Murderer,
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  you know, you know, drunk push her away.
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  You know, we are now we're literally advocating for Claire
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  Skinner to play an Ax Murderer. Yes, yes.
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  Okay, so the the backwards spacesuit, there's of my heart's
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  already thinking with this, okay, it's not that, okay, it's
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  not that, I don't like funny Doctor Who I think my way into
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  Doctor Who is he I don't like obvious.
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  You are, I don't like you this issues.
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  It talks down to kids this for humor.
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  Yeah, I think, you know, for me, good humor is, is subtle, you
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  know, and not always. So, obviously, signposting.
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  And my God, that kid's glasses at all.
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  Well, okay, okay, so these kids. Yeah.
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  Right. They're not giving Dreadful
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  performers, it's okay. I think they're pretty dream and
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  some dirty dreary characterized, but why did they make him so
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  speccy Yeah. And I say this as somebody who
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  is blind as a fact, you know, I mean I used to have really bad
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  bosses but they were kind of the opposite because my eyes.
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  So my I say so poor that you know, when he used to lie, got a
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  literally, shrink my eyes right in the glass because, you know,
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  they were kind of like my disgusting thoughts because the
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  lens is safe and thick but he's got the opposite problem.
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  They kind of you know something magnify and it is just such a
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  thoughtful Garcia Okay, my friend, Sunny State wearing
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  glasses. I just hate them.
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  Both the I got glasses as well. I refuse to wear them, not
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  because I mean I'm vain but it's not for vanity reasons.
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  It's just I just hate wearing. I hate having that lens between
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  the hero comes in casting you know, Gotham face is just dark.
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  See, there are some people that would say this is all very
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  amusing that's me if in the backward spaceship, you know,
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  waddling about we watched But you're deaf last time.
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  There was a lot of humor in that it was really sophisticated.
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  It was really clever, really clever humans, you know,
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  it's, you know, like, And I think I laughed, but I didn't
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  laugh because that was funny. I laugh, because
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  for me, I think I probably my favorite of a new doctors.
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  Wow, okay. I'm going to offer you an
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  opposing, professional opinion, an opposing, Viewpoint, the
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  other state where he had. I was never convinced that Smith
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  was the doctor, not one, but you're not throughout.
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  And I think that was my biggest problem in his era is I just saw
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  this wacky kid and I don't think he ever had the gravitas that
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  other people. See.
• 14:21
  I don't think he did anger very well.
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  And I think as he was as the series went on, Five, six and
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  seven. He became a series of Comedy
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  quirks. Yeah.
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  And they just got very tired. Yeah.
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  But I think it's kind of sometimes cereal, but they
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  given, I think it's not really worthy of what they can do, you
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  know? And I think these County see
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  something that, you know, to the degree as well, you know, the
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  doctor, these scones, and He's probably the best actor to have
• 14:59
  ever played the dog. Yeah, I agree.
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  I think you know, if I could pick you know,
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  it's great. This is I've got a question for
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  you in a bit then I hate to do this to you, it's not Final
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  thing to do, I want you to remember, I want you to do a
• 15:31
  list. I want you to rank the new Who
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  doctors best to. All right.
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  Okay, okay right. So awesome.
• 15:42
  So I'm going to get so much sleeping.
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  I know you are, that's gone. Yeah which I don't think is
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  explicitly by think it's mainly. The scripting I think he's
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  calling. I think she's just you know
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  partly because you know, she doesn't Really get so much to
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  do. She's kind of like this kind of
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  passive present which is like I'll be out on the outskirts and
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  you would have thought, you know, giving this first female
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  doctor, they given they should have given a more proactive
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  things to do and instead they just kind of reducer character
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  to this kind of bumbling simpleton and it's watch only
• 16:17
  been struggling for that. I've got an opposing viewpoints
• 16:19
  of that as well, but go on no not yet.
• 16:22
  No you go first. Oh well I was going to say so I
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  think Jody whiskey is absolutely the perfect doctor.
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  For now I adore her and I think because we're in a very angry
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  cynical time at the moment, you only have to look on social
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  media to see that. And here's a ray of sunshine of
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  positivity of optimism. And you know what?
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  I watch her, I feel really happy like, and so it's great.
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  I'll look at social media and I'm miserable and then I'll go
• 16:49
  and watch dr. Who and I'm really happy.
• 16:52
  So, but that's, that's great. Doing that.
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  But yeah, I mean you know in stuff like that.
• 17:54
  You know, a couple of Seasons I think I'll probably be probably
• 17:56
  more be more higher up, least something I've got a Porsche
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  list just for one second because I have soaked about something in
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  earlier on. I said to you, there was a
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  moment where Steven Moffat is basically, is the doctor
• 18:08
  talking. But it's Steven Moffat talking,
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  I spits here where he says, I know, I know.
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  So what he's actually saying is, I'm so clever.
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  Oh, my creative. This magic, this is just costly
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  stuff. It's actually reminds me about
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  when I was a kid, you know, they used to have movies like Mary
• 19:05
  Poppins and Bedknobs & broomsticks and all of that.
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  And this is kind of like dr. Than attempting to do that but
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  without without the charm, the weight, you know, the
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  likeability know. It seems don't know he's not a
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  jumped into like the pain. Thing in Mary Poppins that's
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  really imaginative. I'm really great it here.
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  Yeah. It's whack a prison in front of
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  the tree. Crawl into it and end up in a
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  forest and it's just like I know a couple of proxy ham looks.
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  I mean you can't sleep in a bloody hand.
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  Oh well actually job, I love her.
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  I really love before and I just you know I ended up looking like
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  looking like one of the money's here in me to Mars because it
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  got so wrapped up. Because every time I see that
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  speccy kid, I want to slap it around the face with a wet fish,
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  even when he's not saying anything, he's just say like
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  looking a bit, a bit simple. Again, it goes back to one of
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  the annoying things about Well, why see some people like things
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  about what era is that? They would seem them Keys.
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  Oh, that's kind of rude of the Damned.
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  Yeah, because I mean, you've gotta be kidding.
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  The Beast below. Nightmare until you've got Angie
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  novelty, you got the kids in this, you skipped over lows you
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  skipped over that kid from night, terrors.
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  Okay, get an icy River song. Yeah, yeah.
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  Yeah. You remember that between
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  Russell T? Davies, Russell, T Davies, but
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  he writes them as young adults. He was starting on their own,
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  you know, starting on their own Journey, where are the keys?
• 21:24
  I swear Warren. Sarah, Jane Adventures.
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  You know that it's literally how to write children.
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  They're smart. Yeah.
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  That's smart. You know?
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  And they're, you know, very talented that that is what
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  pizza. I mean, you know, my eldest, I
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  mean, she's five and she's smart as a button.
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  So, you know, and you know my, you know, youngest always, you
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  know, already showing great signs of talent, you know,
• 21:47
  enjoying salty, and all of That they are young adults.
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  Do you remember talking to be actualized in the forest of the
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  light where soil is complete diversion where the doctor tells
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  that kid not to take her medication.
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  Like oh, you don't know how this medication like that is the most
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  irresponsible saying I've ever seen in doctor.
• 22:08
  Yeah, yeah, it's just what the are they feeling better?
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  These are okay at least these joint president.
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  I got a big question for you. Now that's it.
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  So yeah, all TD Christmas tended to go for like big spectactors
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  in the Voyager, the dams, The Runaway Bride like Christmas
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  Invasion. Independence Day, he did like
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  riffs on movies. Basically Moffat goes for books,
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  doesn't it? Christmas Carol you think about
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  that? You think riffing off because
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  you know the title of this tells you what?
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  This is absolutely. Uh yeah I mean he's you know
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  bargain-basement nine years, I mean it's yeah I mean it's not a
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  new thing though. I mean, you know I mean it's
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  especially in like the mid seventies and the late
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  seventies. You know, when they Riff on you
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  know like a hammer or mmm, it's on the old, some baked stories
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  and then they kind of going through like more, you know,
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  more literally things in the drain Williams.
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  You know, you've got like a prisoner of saying that you've
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  kind of got, you know, sort of a Establish a lasting the Creature
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  from the peg. You know, it's kind of like a
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  little bit like Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
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  She's like the evil queen as and she'll address these queries.
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  And she the band is kind of like the warmth, and I suppose you've
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  got the same parallel coming around here, but I think we can
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  offer. I think he more, he goes more,
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  obviously, Christmas presently, whereas kind of the rusty.
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  They just kind of, we'd spent all his neck.
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  It's just kind of berries battle.
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  So, so we had a little bit of feedback.
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  On on Twitter before we even did this because I put out a picture
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  saying I'm wearing this in preparation for tomorrow and all
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  right. Okay.
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  A few people come at me saying this is their favorite and fair
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  enough. I'm really, I'm glad you love
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  this. I wish I could see it through
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  your eyes. But one person said, like they
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  love the aesthetic of it. I love how this looks, but I
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  think this is too gaudy. It's to Christmas.
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  It's like it's literally okay. It's looks like me grabbing some
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  Missions a bull balls and shove them down your throat and saying
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  yes. Yeah.
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  Whitening Fates this is gonna be the most Christmas Christmas
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  ever you know like yeah. Oh my God.
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  You know, I've got to say, I mean, I hate Christmas.
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  You know what? See, I'm a scrooge hate
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  Christmas. Are you all of his key?
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  Now I don't know. I just don't.
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  You have a child? How can you hate?
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  Once a false Choice? Like I mean now.
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  I like because of what see kids. You know, and I can, you know, I
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  can really Christmas through their eyes, you know, less
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  cynical eyes, but you know, before they were bored, I'm just
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  like, oh no Christmas. Again, least, most challenging
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  of it. I don't like being told when and
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  how to enjoy themselves, because I will enjoy myself on my own
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  terms, okay? Christmas.
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  I get a chance to be as Jolly as I want to be, you know?
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  Yeah, fair enough. People to like Christmas, you
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  know? Because get my wife runs
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  Christmas. You know she loves her daughter
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  was out. Come on till later.
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  What's your opinion of Doctor Who Christmas insofar as should
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  it be like all about Christmas? Should it be an episode with
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  elements of Christmas? Because the rtt kind of did that
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  big knee in Voyage of the Damned?
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  I think there's a few, you know, it's a Carol when a few weeks
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  but essentially it's a story in its own right?
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  Where were you for me? I mean, it's like the only thing
• 26:25
  that's not all of them revolve around Christians.
• 26:30
  You know, there's one with a go to Miami.
• 26:32
  The my am twice named counted, they'll stop going over.
• 26:35
  Yes, and there's the one we would be great.
• 26:38
  Sondra is that the one with the ceiling in the lives that we're
• 26:46
  dealt with breaks to lift? Its our That breaks my holiday
• 26:50
  episode. Oh no.
• 26:51
  That's the, that's the last. But he's never coming out.
• 26:54
  Yeah, it's down. Yeah, they become really Nets
• 26:56
  that. That is excellent.
• 26:58
  Yeah, we are talking about Only Fools and Horses because this is
• 27:01
  so bad. Oh, yeah.
• 27:04
  What, what these great big burden that was What are those?
• 27:12
  I mean, it's just Of course, you know the Specky git as to, you
• 27:17
  know, leave a rogue child, isn't it?
• 27:20
  You know, after all right, you know, don't go in the Box, well,
• 27:23
  go in the box and encounter a CGI Boerboel which grows at its
• 27:27
  own dilution. You know, have we come across
• 27:29
  today any of moffatt's gender politics yet because we will, by
• 27:33
  the end of this, I am a mother and I will, you know, figuring
• 27:38
  it is very obvious, isn't it? I know, I mean, don't get me
• 27:43
  wrong. I'm Pro mother, you know?
• 27:46
  Yeah. I mean, I'm, you know, I mean, I
• 27:49
  have to be, I mean, I mean, you know, I've got, you know, my
• 27:53
  wife and I've got two daughters around, the only went there.
• 27:55
  So, you'll have you are outnumbered job.
• 27:58
  I don't remember Peaks on. Yeah, they have the power.
• 28:01
  Every time you do, you do your little girls little girls going
• 28:05
  to be a big girl, one day and then you'll be really around,
• 28:08
  but I know. The difference between saying
• 28:18
  you know like between having a strong Mother character and
• 28:22
  having someone say mother earth you know?
• 28:24
  And like yeah I don't feel like it's almost that thing of like
• 28:28
  if you have to shove that in people's faces, then you're
• 28:33
  saying that that you're not representing this woman
• 28:37
  struggling after here, she's doing.
• 28:40
  Whereas if you are, you know, Austin Strong, you know, female
• 28:44
  Character. And that is, that is lot more as
• 28:47
  a lot more effective. But again, it all comes back to
• 28:50
  the left, the lack of subtlety, isn't it?
• 28:52
  You know, there is nothing subtle about this.
• 28:54
  This episode. Jackie Tyler, please?
• 28:56
  About Jackie, Tyler your turkey. Turner is a great example.
• 29:00
  You know, she's funny. And she's feisty and but she
• 29:03
  also get some really good moments like no one wants to
• 29:06
  inspire, you know, when she can defend ourselves and I think
• 29:08
  that is great in right. But I break that, I don't
• 29:11
  remember the scene where she, you know is like I I am a mother
• 29:15
  and I will protect my brood. You know, the, you didn't need
• 29:18
  to do that with those characters.
• 29:21
  Yeah. Yeah, but she's, you know, she's
• 29:23
  naturally, you know, funny by spirit.
• 29:25
  I think that's that's, you know, that is far more positive.
• 29:29
  Then you know what? We get in there.
• 29:30
  So But this girl here, I think she's okay.
• 29:35
  I'm going to say A+ now. Hang on to your hat.
• 29:38
  I think she's given her a good performance but she's yeah, I
• 29:42
  agree. I think.
• 29:43
  Yeah. Is it son named Holly something?
• 29:47
  That, which is so a memorable, that's the trouble writing is
• 29:50
  unmemorable. So what?
• 29:52
  Yeah, but they see. This is a big problem that I
• 29:56
  encountered when we review the maximum there is that the
• 29:59
  character the expense of character, Is so unmemorable?
• 30:03
  They just kind of like spoken, you know, so can, you know,
• 30:07
  carrots and stages for the hell of it?
• 30:09
  Whereas, you know, I mean like, you know, I'm just, you know,
• 30:13
  it's of them are pyramids of Mars.
• 30:15
  You know that doctor will look. This is not for long.
• 30:17
  Ibrahim that mean there's not four, not even calling stiffened
• 30:20
  last month but he kind of you get more verb.
• 30:23
  Yes. Getting the impression that
• 30:24
  their ration will be people that actually, you know, live real
• 30:26
  lives and they've got, you know, lines are said what they do in
• 30:29
  the story, but we've here. I just saw a, you know?
• 30:34
  Yeah for whatever reason Moffat choice to make the doctor like
• 30:38
  the most in like the trouble is, yeah.
• 30:41
  Is that the incidental characters of the mafia era?
• 30:43
  They always stress how important they are but remember that Lorna
• 30:48
  bucket in a good man? Goes to war and they all like
• 30:51
  yeah. Oh my God, your lawn a bucket
• 30:54
  and she doesn't do anything, you know.
• 30:58
  I mean Who the hell's gonna back you?
• 31:00
  I mean she could be the The cleaning and sealing these great
• 31:06
  big important characters, but there's no substance, there's no
• 31:10
  kind of real depth or, you know, backgrounds think in stories
• 31:15
  like that. You know, we're going to come
• 31:16
  onto the plate again was, and obviously of this note, right?
• 31:25
  I mean, there's there's just nothing to these characters that
• 31:28
  we suggest that, you know, they're living breathing people.
• 31:31
  Go outside of this story. What?
• 31:34
  And their try a tries to add that emotional element?
• 31:37
  I either dad's not coming home for Christmas and she's putting
• 31:41
  on a brave face for her kids. Yeah I'll tell you what go and
• 31:45
  watch Love, Actually, go and watch the scene where, oh my
• 31:48
  God, I can't be actress's name, she plays it, Alan rickman's
• 31:51
  wife. Thank you wherever times you
• 31:55
  realize is that Alan rickman's have having some form of an
• 31:58
  affair and then has to go and put a brave face in front of her
• 32:02
  kids at Christmas, that is a master class of how to write an
• 32:06
  act that. Yeah, this is the same thing but
• 32:10
  whilst Moffitt is literally feeding you spoonfuls of syrup
• 32:13
  at the same time. Yeah, it's just so much passion.
• 32:17
  You know, I'm not on a more serious note.
• 32:18
  I mean Christmas you know some people, you know, it's really
• 32:22
  traumatic time. They lost a loved one or, you
• 32:25
  know, a family member orko strains and you know, to suggest
• 32:29
  that, you know, you can just bring them back to life for you.
• 32:31
  Remember, he's also okay, because my mom passed on
• 32:38
  December the 15th. So Christmas is always is always
• 32:42
  like a really kind of its touched with sadness.
• 32:45
  I love Christmas but it's now touch with me on this but I
• 32:48
  never thought about that. That's another reason to hate
• 32:50
  this now but yeah. So I'm gonna I'm going to think
• 32:54
  really hard. Every every 50 and mate.
• 32:57
  Yeah, yeah. It's one of my pet hates the
• 33:01
  year in which they just bring counties back to life because
• 33:05
  he's just lazy Rising. It's you know is crap.
• 33:09
  You know that that is not how dramaworks you can't just.
• 33:12
  Suddenly remember somebody back to life will bring them.
• 33:15
  That's like through here's or you know emotions or whatever
• 33:21
  what sort of the basics. What is your little
• 33:24
  five-year-old girl? Said to you while that?
• 33:26
  Yeah, if I lose somebody, but if I think so.
• 33:29
  Yeah, you're my imaginary friends and I'm telling you to
• 33:31
  be at my wedding, you know, can I actually make that happen?
• 33:36
  Yeah, exactly, yeah. Oh, I'm going to remember you
• 33:38
  back to like, yeah. And kids watching that.
• 33:41
  He's not a positive, message to send out to kids.
• 33:44
  Unfortunately, you know, Do You Remember Loving Monsters, Love a
• 33:49
  Monster, which is universally panned and ends with The the
• 33:54
  knowledge that the doctor was there on the day when Elders,
• 33:56
  mom died, and she stays dead and its really sad.
• 34:00
  And you know what that? That is a, that is a message to
• 34:02
  Children. This does happen.
• 34:05
  Yeah, exactly, yeah. It's like it or not, you know,
• 34:07
  it's terrible. He's the worst thing in the
• 34:09
  world, but unfortunately, that's how life works.
• 34:14
  And, you know, it's just I got, this is, this is, this is
• 34:21
  another big issue. Ooh, with the era though.
• 34:24
  And that is wasting incredible guest actors.
• 34:27
  Or I know you've got a mean, you've got Bill Bailey, you've
• 34:30
  got Arabella. We're all basically a fink was
• 34:34
  in. Benidorm?
• 34:35
  Yeah. There is and that they just do
• 34:38
  nothing, they disciples. I mean, there's no character
• 34:42
  here is that there's just nothing for them that to even
• 34:44
  get their teeth into no very science.
• 34:47
  Again, you know what? Ivan christ-like theme Beal.
• 34:49
  I mean by that lied about having money issues.
• 34:52
  Oh, Oh my God, it's so obvious, you know?
• 34:59
  He's a comedy right up. There are ways of disguising
• 35:02
  that without saying, who good will be issues, you know, like,
• 35:07
  what did he did, he decide don't throw you out the book of crap
• 35:10
  jokes and some, you know, he's just he's painful.
• 35:14
  Yes, for six seasons. Sorry, you know, that looks
• 35:20
  strikingly like the shaft, they go up in Planet of the Daleks.
• 35:24
  Oh yeah. Yes.
• 36:08
  Of the is completely forgettable as an idea of race.
• 36:12
  Look, fantastic. I don't know girls, I did it.
• 36:16
  You did it, you know, there you go.
• 36:18
  I take something positive because I wouldn't mind like one
• 36:22
  of those in my house. I mean, that's really creepy.
• 36:25
  That's pretty cool. I mean, I mean I mean the BCD
• 36:29
  bring up these figurines, I'm amazed they haven't kind of
• 36:32
  brought out a, you know, massive, you know, life-sized
• 36:36
  version of that. I think that means to treat
• 36:38
  their You know, if you use that in the comments, the sense of
• 36:40
  I'm surprisingly Doctor Who, right?
• 36:43
  It's not afraid of having phallic Creations on display.
• 36:49
  I'm talking of the vervoids and Creature from the pit.
• 36:52
  And, you know, things like that, those Towers, we just saw they
• 36:56
  erect with an enormous head. That is one of the most phallic
• 36:59
  things I've ever seen in Doctor. Who I know you would have
• 37:03
  fought. You, who would have learned,
• 37:08
  Even though the hell is that about the possibilities are
• 37:13
  endless, what were, you know? I was like rubbing his hands
• 37:22
  together. Hahahaha.
• 37:27
  OK. John, he's not averse to putting
• 37:28
  a penis or two of the screen, right?
• 37:30
  So there he was just like eight in one go.
• 37:33
  Also I'm strong it was just wrong.
• 37:37
  Just one please. These are.
• 37:41
  Yeah, I mean you should still be interrogated by these and
• 37:46
  rezoning artists. I think it's a big mistake to
• 37:49
  actually oguri really sides cry. Now, It's not little boys named
• 37:54
  Cyril. He's gone.
• 37:56
  Several. Yeah.
• 37:57
  I mean, how do you think of a more Specky name for a kid as
• 38:00
  well? I'm so sorry.
• 38:08
  Sorry. Sorry Sue.
• 38:10
  What do you think about the answers?
• 38:11
  Only costumes, don't look nothing.
• 38:14
  Like what they wearing the case of Andrews on.
• 38:16
  I mean, we just want my standard spacing timely and they usually
• 38:20
  good at that sort of thing. All day about continuity from.
• 38:23
  Classic Series. Yeah.
• 38:25
  Do something doesn't mean it's just like a mofo, you know.
• 38:27
  He could whole load of classic story names that have hit one
• 38:32
  out of random. Alright, case Avengers ID?
• 38:34
  I know I'll use that. Yeah.
• 38:37
  You know, core we got to do, we do more drink.
• 38:39
  Have you ever seen Black Books? Have I ever won?
• 38:44
  Seen Black Books known everything.
• 38:46
  Oh, I guess they're Bill Bailey is Sublime in that.
• 38:48
  Have you seen two doors down? No, okay Arabella we're is
• 38:52
  Sublime in that. Why aren't they Supply with
• 38:55
  this? I know.
• 38:56
  I know it's because they they are not given the right hat and
• 39:00
  ization and it just you know, I think he could have picked a
• 39:03
  worse story than the case of and resigning because the
• 39:05
  characterization that is just top.
• 39:08
  Draw, absolutely brilliant. Nuance that clever.
• 39:12
  We see, which is none of these. And there is none of that in
• 39:17
  this. And he's going to start crying
• 39:21
  again. Isn't the other Bill, Bailey's
• 39:23
  just like going, why the hell did I agree to this?
• 39:25
  You know, it's going to be even worse than Strictly.
• 39:27
  Come Dancing with the many years.
• 39:32
  But do you think this is like the most telling is the worst
• 39:36
  example of that. In this era I'm trying to think
• 39:39
  of like a worst bit of stunt casting where some oh no Olivia
• 39:42
  Colman in the 11th hour. Yeah I mean she was doing it.
• 39:47
  She barks like a dog. Question time, I mean it's easy
• 39:50
  money. I mean, maybe that's why the
• 39:54
  answers actually agree to do it, you know, because they don't
• 39:56
  really get to do anything in substance, but it would be like
• 39:59
  getting Derek Jacobi in Utopia and giving them giving him the
• 40:03
  part of one of the refugees, you know.
• 40:06
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 40:07
  Exactly. You know, where, as Russell T
• 40:09
  Davies had the good sense to actually cross them in the
• 40:12
  people to wall of of yarn and here.
• 40:15
  It's just really only very so many exams.
• 40:17
  I mean, you've got Tessa P Jones robbed jobs in Time of the
• 40:21
  Doctor. They get like some lines of
• 40:23
  Peace. Oh my God from Only Fools and
• 40:25
  Horses. Yeah, he's here.
• 40:29
  Welcome to Christmas, you know, in a in a phone booth and you
• 40:41
  think he could be the main body before I had even, okay, I'll
• 40:45
  leave even the say that like someone like Richard E Grotto,
• 40:48
  he's like, okay, I He's bragging, but he's a big name.
• 40:52
  He's sweet, he's wasted. And I'm very memorable.
• 40:55
  Sorry, I'm memorable roles the great intelligence.
• 40:58
  Yeah, he just stops around looking like this.
• 41:00
  You know, he's just, you know, done a pool to see you in ring.
• 41:04
  See you in Murray. See the ring ring.
• 41:06
  Yeah, not another one. Yeah.
• 41:08
  Absolutely. You know, these big name actors
• 41:12
  about if I just don't do it and yet and yet people like the
• 41:14
  actress who plays what other what her name is whoever plays
• 41:17
  and you have Angie and Artie. She's spotlighted amazingly like
• 41:21
  what, what's going on? And you know maybe we should
• 41:29
  have picked nightmare in silver. We're going to do that one day.
• 41:32
  What is it? You're a time traveler.
• 41:34
  We've seen you in the books and if you don't take as with you,
• 41:37
  I'm going to tell you.
• 42:02
  What's that kid in Kill the Moon?
• 42:06
  Kourtney always, she's like orcas.
• 42:09
  I'm gonna put it all on Pinterest.
• 42:11
  You are on the freaking moon like look around you, enjoy the
• 42:18
  experience, get off your phone. What happened to these kids
• 42:31
  statue? I've no idea what's going on
• 42:39
  there. You can't touch that.
• 42:56
  Yeah, Like, and I think some of these
• 43:19
  performances in his first season, I think erection.
• 43:22
  Yeah, I agree. I agree.
• 43:23
  But he's just given material vibe that.
• 43:26
  I dated he's worthy of him. I like incredible.
• 43:35
  Like he's given an incredible performance in that.
• 43:38
  So I actually I said he's a very good actor.
• 43:42
  I don't think he's given adequate material really apart
• 43:47
  from a few times in Israel. Yeah, which is fair enough.
• 43:52
  And I you coming back to the original count downloads, it
• 43:57
  would be best thing. David said I'm working on the
• 43:59
  3DO maximum and they beat on me. He's all yours are.
• 44:03
  Okay. So I'll do mine in Reverse.
• 44:07
  It's not over Jodie. Whittaker.
• 44:13
  Second, third and fourth and Matt Smith right?
• 44:19
  At the bottom of all the classics as well.
• 44:26
  Just doesn't convince me. Yeah, but I think a lot of these
• 44:31
  things that, you know, the stories that he was given, he
• 44:34
  was giving so many, you know, he's gonna, you know, I mean,
• 44:36
  it's appropriate. It's a Christian story, is he
• 44:38
  was getting so many Turtle. I mean, it's not like going
• 44:41
  family fortune. So, you know, you just, you
• 44:43
  know, thinking totally certain time, you know, it's like that.
• 44:46
  Why is a rat snake story? So good.
• 44:56
  Precious, I think at the beginning and that is is two
• 44:58
  times that kind of like we all, remember where with my say like
• 45:03
  that low tone and then it's like em, you know, we really wobbly
• 45:07
  timey. What is that?
• 45:08
  That is always hope and there's very little in between, there's
• 45:11
  no ambiguity in between and people people round, David
• 45:15
  Tennant, but David Tennant, have range.
• 45:17
  He did have range, he don't sound right, I found the David
• 45:21
  Tennant. I think I don't get me wrong if
• 45:23
  he's, he's better than studies. Brilliant.
• 45:26
  But I could keep the problem I have is that he takes so long to
• 45:29
  get there. I think that you know, yes
• 45:31
  Seasons. He kind of these between the
• 45:34
  brilliant and being really annoying you know.
• 45:37
  So I can be tedious Lang's I think is best summed up in
• 45:40
  Garlic's Manhattan. An evolution of the Daleks, he's
• 45:42
  brilliant in Daleks in Manhattan.
• 45:44
  Evolution of the Daleks not civilians.
• 45:47
  Like, yeah, I could and I can see that my feet would save
• 45:50
  assemblies is when he's all, like, for the entirety of series
• 45:53
  for, he is, yeah, like yeah, is beautiful.
• 45:56
  What was the most? He's taking so long to get
• 46:00
  there, but he's really about people, people criticize those
• 46:03
  specials, but Wars last, that's one of the best doctor
• 46:05
  performance. Most amount of days.
• 46:08
  I think that's what, when our youth when he's good, he's
• 46:10
  brilliant. You know, midnight Waters of
• 46:13
  Mars. They saw the end of time of
• 46:16
  these great. But really, I cut you off when
• 46:18
  you were talking about Christmas specials and what you like, yes,
• 46:21
  because you went, you talk about Only Fools and Horses not being
• 46:24
  about Christmas. So yeah.
• 46:26
  Do you? I think that's the same for
• 46:27
  Doctor Who it shouldn't be about Christmas.
• 46:29
  It should always be about Christmas, you know, I mean, why
• 46:32
  don't they go, you know, you know, so, you know, like the
• 46:35
  Bahamas or something, where it's Christmas, you know, do that,
• 46:38
  you know, something a bit different or, you know, all I
• 46:42
  could have one of those old-fashioned, rather than this
• 46:44
  Union. You know, what they call the
• 46:46
  things, you know, thing that, you know, or a treasure hunt,
• 46:49
  you know, do you think, you know, movies, they show on
• 46:52
  Christmas day but on exclusively about these things, but they can
• 46:56
  Thank, but it's Star Wars that every do you think there's a
• 47:01
  very Christmassy Christmas special?
• 47:03
  But works though, Nice Christmas.
• 47:06
  I think he's good last thing. Last Christmas is great.
• 47:09
  It's you know I mean it's very crispy and it's got that extra
• 47:13
  Edge it's got a little bit of darkness and also is that it's
• 47:16
  actually quite funny. I learned in super clever last
• 47:20
  Christmas. He's but yeah, it's pretty
• 47:21
  clever. And that is, you know, I think I
• 47:25
  think for me I think 2011 the end of 2011 to 2013.
• 47:29
  I think the me's office low point of any Sunny comes back
• 47:33
  fighting again in the first thing to go.
• 47:35
  At least he's alive. I think he comes up with some
• 47:37
  real real. Good stories that.
• 47:38
  But he famously says, that's really that serious 7 was where
• 47:42
  he was juggling. These massive like, Sherlock and
• 47:45
  Doctor Who his workers too much. He was essentially having
• 47:48
  something of a breakdown behind the scenes.
• 47:50
  Yeah. Because and it kind of is there
• 47:52
  on screen unfortunately. It's yeah, it's just too bad.
• 47:56
  A lot of excuses were in 50th anniversary year, you know,
• 48:00
  because you know, that's when you should be really, you know
• 48:02
  him Jaqueline gold, you know, and it's just hitting, you know,
• 48:07
  the bottom of the barrel, I can't help.
• 48:09
  But notice that we have spent the least amount of time talking
• 48:12
  about the doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe as we possibly can.
• 48:15
  But you know why that is there's no substance here, very sorry?
• 48:19
  I mean this stupid giant ants that room.
• 48:22
  I mean, What is that old? Our Helia is the Mark worth?
• 48:27
  Yeah, nice. Not very good.
• 48:30
  But I mean, like storage in symmetry going on here.
• 48:32
  Like, she's about to attack this phallic-shaped Tower.
• 48:36
  Yes, probably know, anymore. How is she driving that low?
• 48:41
  Like, okay, plausibly. How she driving that aren't?
• 48:45
  No idea. I mean, she's not really, maybe
• 48:47
  she drives, you know, Hearts fine.
• 48:50
  With that with our smelly. What about what he's got.
• 48:52
  One of those know that guy Don, Ho.
• 49:00
  And it's very, you know, it's raining acid.
• 49:02
  So shouldn't I can't be like fighting Kris.
• 49:06
  Okay, help me out here because I really don't know what was going
• 49:09
  on with the plot. I turned off by this point
• 49:11
  yesterday, so the acid rains coming down, the light is
• 49:16
  leaving the trees. Oh, I remember the trees are
• 49:21
  like fuel. They use them for fuel and and
• 49:24
  resolve this apparent. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:26
  For energy fuel. Yeah, that's right.
• 49:28
  And they have to have to try and make their way out and go go
• 49:32
  faster. Only way back home or something.
• 49:36
  You know what's a better trees, stroke?
• 49:38
  Environmental message, silence, library and Foresters are dead.
• 49:42
  Don't cut down the trees, although the shadows will get
• 49:45
  you. Yeah.
• 49:47
  Which is actually one of my favorite stories of you, who I
• 49:51
  think that is. You know, there are some
• 49:54
  annoying things about that. Like the ending where everything
• 49:56
  comes back to life, but often that I think is absolutely
• 49:59
  better. That is more folks.
• 50:01
  All of these a game, it's astonishing how it's a royal.
• 50:04
  Oh, is it like this is where I say?
• 50:06
  Like mafias, like the Chris Carter, from the X-Files of the
• 50:08
  Doctor Who Universe, because he can be terrific and Dreadful,
• 50:12
  you know? Yeah.
• 50:14
  It's, you know, I mean that, you know, these children trees,
• 50:18
  green dots. We don't walk, we coming onto
• 50:21
  this, all falls. what about like a canary, it And Sean's.
• 50:31
  See, but I can tell you and you could tell me every plot point
• 50:36
  from sit, your death inside out and back.
• 50:38
  Yeah, and that is an intricate plot.
• 50:40
  This is a simple plot a we don't have a bloody clue.
• 50:44
  I know, I know, he's just he's just random elements.
• 50:47
  Just kind of piece night. Making a really an appetizer.
• 50:50
  It's like making the most heavily used Christmas pudding.
• 50:53
  You just throw every random thing in the mix and hoping
• 50:56
  Instinct and he doesn't need to stay.
• 50:59
  Gee, you know, you do enjoy it. And it's just did you, did you
• 51:03
  hear what she just said? No, I didn't know what so he was
• 51:06
  like, do you dance? A really clever and she went, I
• 51:09
  know. Oh.
• 52:16
  In the right order I think Batman's Gold version of the
• 52:20
  theme is like, it sounds nothing.
• 52:22
  Like I thought you were comparing the doctor, the Widow,
• 52:25
  and the Wardrobe to the Morgan and wife's pitch there, and I
• 52:28
  was like, no, no, no, I can't wait to see how he makes this
• 52:32
  link. No, absolutely not.
• 52:35
  I mean genius. I mean I suppose is a good
• 52:40
  comparison though because you're looking at Peak television
• 52:42
  versus the trashiest for television possible.
• 52:45
  Yeah, absolutely. The yeah but the thing is you
• 52:48
  know you got big-name guests sizing both but unfortunately,
• 52:51
  they don't really get the opportunity to shine in this.
• 52:53
  They just you know say I know you need to feel it mad he's
• 53:00
  talking to the audience now you need some feel guys, it's
• 53:03
  Christmas and we want you to feel sad and happy.
• 53:07
  I know he's got a but I feel like he should have like, you
• 53:09
  know, a net tenaciously should not something about feeling than
• 53:13
  feeling is real kind of one of those kind of like CD values for
• 53:20
  that bit where the doctor kind of reaches out ourselves.
• 53:23
  So, out your environmental issues, it's happening all the
• 53:27
  time here. Oh no.
• 53:32
  This is where the dad comes back.
• 53:33
  Isn't it now? Yeah, that's some exotic runs
• 53:37
  from these little points. It's mr.
• 53:39
  Smith, this program quite well. Pointless, stick to pointless
• 53:54
  like well, he's mr. Smith as well.
• 53:56
  And I'll tell you what. In those things where he's
• 53:58
  bitching with canine, he's great.
• 54:01
  Yeah, again, he's completely wasted in about, you know, you
• 54:06
  don't get any sense of background to his character, you
• 54:08
  know, you just seem in an airplane and, you know, he's
• 54:11
  upset, you know, it's just, I think I absolutely know that was
• 54:17
  well, I think Mafia has his, like, idealized version of a
• 54:20
  family, like, being happier as a unit.
• 54:23
  That's that's not my life. That's not my family, my family
• 54:26
  are flawed dysfunctional. I've got a rusty Davis here of
• 54:31
  Of late. I don't think that's why I can't
• 54:33
  buy into any of these lovey-dovey shave off.
• 54:37
  It is to idealize the mean you know and not if not every
• 54:42
  family's is like that, you know, I mean, you need to be of any
• 54:47
  difference, you know, be, you know, rather than this, you
• 54:50
  know, this one, say, idealized family, it's just even.
• 54:55
  Like, even in Disney even Disney now is push.
• 55:01
  Pushing like dysfunctional families and you know that there
• 55:04
  are lots of different types of families, whereas this is just
• 55:08
  so sweet. This is another thing about the
• 55:18
  mafia arrow that these things Spitfires in bizarre, science
• 55:22
  fiction section of the victory of the Daleks.
• 55:24
  We're, and that was for another one going for a Vortex to kind
• 55:28
  of default. Period, dramas, you are they
• 55:32
  going to the, you know, both of the world wars or you going to
• 55:35
  be touring on alone? Yeah.
• 55:37
  And if either one of those things about another kind of,
• 55:40
  I'd like, you know, say what you will.
• 55:47
  It is, you know, definitely, you know that there are, there is a,
• 55:53
  you know, willingness to actually explore other
• 55:55
  historical Buick. Start World War, 1 2 and
• 55:58
  victoriana lung, you know, it's kind of like they took
• 56:00
  inspiration from all turns when change brilliant asparagus.
• 56:04
  Brilliant. So let alone seen better, kind
• 56:07
  of like going T but, you know, there are a voice in history and
• 56:12
  I know these this is literally operating.
• 56:14
  This is the yeah this is the love conquers all ending.
• 56:17
  Which is hard so much in this era.
• 56:20
  Now, I think what? But wait, wait.
• 56:22
  I think once once they could get away with it and it could be
• 56:26
  like, okay, that's fine, it's a bit.
• 56:29
  Oh Tweety. But the thing is, at the end of
• 56:31
  Night, Terrors at the end of closing time at the end of the
• 56:34
  launcher at the end of this and I'm just like, oh my god.
• 56:39
  Oh yeah. In the forest of the night, he
• 56:41
  got back pandorica, opens, big bang.
• 56:44
  You know, they're remembering back to life.
• 56:46
  I try and forget about In the forest of the night as much as I
• 56:49
  can do, you know, right? When I watched that episode, I
• 56:52
  text my partner at the time and the pre-title sequence and when
• 56:56
  this is gonna be amazing, like the whole of London's our forest
• 57:01
  and then at the end, I messaged him and I can't really repeat
• 57:04
  what I wrote on that message. But you know what?
• 57:11
  We haven't even got to the TV yet.
• 57:14
  If we don't, they don't know that the dad survived yet.
• 57:18
  Yeah. And I'm not a cynic John, I like
• 57:21
  a happy ending but this is too much, is too much.
• 57:26
  Yeah, I mean I am obviously, you know, I mean it's you know I
• 57:30
  mean I do the Christmas specials like you know, Voyage of the
• 57:33
  Damned, not everybody makes it, you prefer me.
• 57:36
  You prefer a massacre at Christmas.
• 57:38
  I because yeah, yeah, small sounds When a guy and the unit
• 57:51
  man, think it's a five cigarettes or there's almost a
• 57:54
  mass suicide. Maybe I'll hang out with Steven,
• 58:21
  Moffat Christmas. Tree verbalize, the prosecution
• 58:32
  against are I feel as if he will?
• 58:33
  Probably Erase Me from Doctor Who forever?
• 58:36
  Who raised you? But we both said in this
• 58:44
  commentary, several stories of his.
• 58:46
  The we adore, you know. So it's it's like Great ones
• 58:50
  have been saying, it's probably my all-time favorite new.
• 58:53
  Who also got the empty child. You've got silence in the
• 59:02
  library link. I'd Leslie.
• 59:07
  Why do you must question? I think that's the 11th hour.
• 59:11
  Yeah, I mean, there are many many great Steven other stories
• 59:13
  to be interested in my favorite episode of new who is Russell,
• 59:19
  T, Davies has heaven-sent which I think is midnight, which is
• 59:23
  not as, as experimental, you know, in a very different way.
• 59:27
  Yes, yeah. And it's both writers stripped
• 59:30
  back and contains and forced to just write not be smart about it
• 59:35
  just right. Eric, this is why I'm being in
• 59:37
  this, you know, he's this prostrated surround me and just
• 59:40
  make the best of it and they turn up absolutely gone.
• 59:44
  And it's brilliant. Unlike this, you know, alive
• 59:47
  again and he's it's like, you know, in a horrifying rough.
• 59:50
  You know, all the characters came back to life.
• 59:52
  Did you hear what he said on Christmas Day?
• 59:55
  How kill me. It's just exhausting drums for
• 1:00:06
  Miss. Probably take a Skinner.
• 1:00:07
  Probably thinking, what the hell did we sign up now?
• 1:00:10
  They're thinking quick. Let's get the paycheck and rum.
• 1:00:13
  Yeah, Take the Money and Run. Happy crying.
• 1:00:19
  John, happy, crying crying. Happy crying.
• 1:00:23
  Oh, very easy. Yeah.
• 1:00:27
  Can you happy fries? Eating happy cry.
• 1:00:29
  I like if I watch something equally, yeah, aren't terrible.
• 1:00:33
  A find the older. I get, you know, especially when
• 1:00:36
  using you never added some salt, just reduce me to a, you feel,
• 1:00:39
  you know, I was actually being in Doctor Who you should eat
• 1:00:47
  shit. Excuse me, he has been in
• 1:00:49
  doctor, he was mentioned in Dimensions In Time.
• 1:00:52
  I've yet, no, I in 2013. Well, I mean there will be drama
• 1:01:05
  Channel and every time I said Hills comes up, I think.
• 1:01:09
  Oh, it's Travis or, you know, all from the robots there and
• 1:01:13
  it's just like I keep expecting. So, we're were young too old
• 1:01:17
  baby. Boo.
• 1:01:18
  We've right. But did they do that a lot in
• 1:01:25
  Dimensions In Time? Some way and that you know, you
• 1:01:29
  should Probably should. Okay, I'm going to say another
• 1:01:32
  positive thing now. Yes.
• 1:01:35
  And this is a positive thing about new who against classic
• 1:01:38
  Who. Well I don't do this very often
• 1:01:42
  is I do like the fact that they very often have a coder and they
• 1:01:45
  wrap up the journey because he knew who there's a lot of just
• 1:01:48
  running off at the end and everything, like always but the
• 1:01:51
  some makers are just run off. They've tossed someone over a
• 1:01:54
  building and there's like, yeah, all right, bye.
• 1:01:58
  And it's like, okay, well, I don't Think that's going to be
• 1:02:00
  that he's got left back in a good place, whereas they bother
• 1:02:04
  to wrap up the emotional story lines here.
• 1:02:07
  Yeah, I think that's about a point.
• 1:02:09
  Yeah. I'm very very well.
• 1:02:11
  Like you say, a PIN to their credit.
• 1:02:13
  They actually do actually see, you know, right?
• 1:02:16
  Tighten the bow of the rapid, you know?
• 1:02:18
  And they and you don't want that whereas You know, we did some of
• 1:02:23
  the students. I just got all quite you saying
• 1:02:24
  something. You know, you know, you have to
• 1:02:27
  question whether doctors let them, you know, the rebels or is
• 1:02:32
  it a better place for them around having fun?
• 1:02:35
  I always think that about vengers are vowels because I
• 1:02:39
  don't think he's left them in to go dance.
• 1:02:41
  The governor is not particularly nice for out that.
• 1:02:44
  No no he's not no no. Okay.
• 1:02:51
  Oh yeah. And I think, I actually think
• 1:02:57
  they should have had Karen Gillan and Arthur darvill in
• 1:03:00
  these as companions. I think, actually supplements
• 1:03:03
  without their presence because, you know, imagine the key.
• 1:03:06
  So, just not really, not really enough.
• 1:03:10
  Really? I never thought I would say this
• 1:03:13
  because I really low, they me poems and I agree with you.
• 1:03:21
  Oh my God. No, I changed my mind.
• 1:03:23
  She's already ranting and she could be quiet, you know, over
• 1:03:32
  annoying and unlikable, but I think as time goes on, I think
• 1:03:36
  she actually has a lot better. My of the Karen Gillan face is
• 1:03:39
  really my objection to a new Pond.
• 1:03:41
  Is the Karen Gillan in interviews, is the most Charming
• 1:03:45
  likeable person. And for much of her run, a Amy
• 1:03:48
  Pond is not charming and likable.
• 1:03:50
  And I'm How could you take an actress who's naturally charming
• 1:03:54
  and make her not Charming? It's kind of like, you know,
• 1:03:56
  cop-calling bacon. So you know, he comes across
• 1:03:59
  very well with interviews. You know, he's likable charming
• 1:04:02
  and they stopped, making these stocks are quite unlike.
• 1:04:06
  So you think, well, they must be really good actors to actually,
• 1:04:10
  you know, so, you know, play something that's not that like
• 1:04:14
  to see how I quite like the restrainer this scene, because
• 1:04:17
  it's more restrained than some of the story, but it's still
• 1:04:20
  over. Here.
• 1:04:21
  Say they're not looking too much.
• 1:04:22
  I will be. So it's like yeah.
• 1:04:25
  You know, it's like really like in the in the Christmas Invasion
• 1:04:29
  where you just goes for Christmas dinner and they're
• 1:04:31
  seeing having a laugh and it's Lively.
• 1:04:33
  Yeah, yeah, and it's great for this again.
• 1:04:36
  So obvious, isn't it? I would have for the current
• 1:04:40
  getting would have been horrendous because she was in
• 1:04:42
  this hideous advert. It's time for BBC Christmas.
• 1:04:48
  I had all these very Speedy See Stars doing that awful song from
• 1:04:53
  Oliver it's a hard knock life for us.
• 1:05:08
  Extremely smog annoying. But yeah, they were they were
• 1:05:15
  just shopping about looking very uncomfortable and I would have
• 1:05:19
  thought they'd, you know, Karen get a little lenient.
• 1:05:21
  That's because, all right. Yeah, but look, it's is
• 1:05:24
  lingering on him touching the tear and looking at it.
• 1:05:28
  It's, it's obvious. Let him remember when you and it
• 1:05:35
  was really, it was really poignant.
• 1:05:38
  Yeah, the tears spoke for itself without him having to wipe it
• 1:05:42
  off and like shoving her face. How do you compare that to the
• 1:05:46
  end of the green deck? When we got some research, you
• 1:05:48
  know, Joe's party, you know, he doesn't have to stop crying, you
• 1:05:51
  know where his, you know, if I did that now you stop crying,
• 1:05:54
  you know, but it's, you know, they just had the coast of these
• 1:05:57
  face and it's so something done in His Brilliant and that, I
• 1:06:01
  find that genuine moving. I don't find that movie.
• 1:06:04
  So I find that just, you know, because it's been forced, you
• 1:06:07
  know, You were forced to cry. You know it's like your pry
• 1:06:12
  you're right. It doesn't work for me.
• 1:06:14
  Your wipe it away. Your look at it longingly like
• 1:06:19
  you all. Look at it forever.
• 1:06:32
  Did that movie? That was a Hollywood
• 1:06:34
  Blockbuster. I'll bet you read that scripture
• 1:06:36
  when this is really subtle compared to I've been doing on
• 1:06:39
  Doctor Who you know sorry please he's not the is not watch both
• 1:06:47
  of us who we do in the water it's just I think that's the
• 1:06:50
  main problem is just not something I'm going to I'm going
• 1:06:54
  to ask you two questions before we sign up for it.
• 1:06:58
  My first question is and I this is what I'm doing at the end of
• 1:07:02
  these and I need you to try and give me an answer.
• 1:07:05
  Okay, why should on the back of listening to this comment?
• 1:07:08
  SRI someone, go to their shelf and watch the doctor, the Widow
• 1:07:12
  and the Wardrobe. Oh my God.
• 1:07:24
  Why would anybody want to watch them?
• 1:07:26
  Well I mean obviously the guy on sweeter you know he found
• 1:07:31
  obviously he likes it. Is that your argument one person
• 1:07:36
  likes it so that one person should go and get it.
• 1:07:38
  Now that shelf yeah Brendan he likes this is for you.
• 1:07:43
  I think the idea I think the ideas There.
• 1:07:46
  But unfortunately they just don't come together.
• 1:07:48
  But if you're looking for something, you know, maybe Maybe
• 1:07:53
  kids might like you, I mean, if you're looking for a story that,
• 1:07:57
  you know, you youngsters would actually enjoy Christmas, then
• 1:08:00
  that would probably be a more severe because he's very kind of
• 1:08:03
  know, sort of, is pitch more towards, you know, young kids
• 1:08:07
  isn't it? Rather than, you know, a family
• 1:08:09
  audience. I don't see.
• 1:08:10
  Actually the inside of me. Oh God, I know, I need to
• 1:08:13
  rephrase that emotionally. Yeah, I am still a, an
• 1:08:20
  eight-year-old child. Yeah.
• 1:08:22
  Yeah. And he's not, he's not impressed
• 1:08:24
  with this. Okay, he's not impressed.
• 1:08:27
  So I don't know that welcoming help.
• 1:08:29
  Yeah, I mean a year old me would have wanted to see pyramid.
• 1:08:36
  I mean when I was eight years old East, go, you know, that's
• 1:08:38
  when I used to borrow books from the library and then, you know,
• 1:08:43
  the P dates there was on that was, you know, that was right up
• 1:08:45
  my street. They've always had story.
• 1:08:48
  I did that. You're definitely last time now.
• 1:08:50
  There's talk of you being a man, Listen cynic, you love the
• 1:08:56
  comedy. You like, you know, you were
• 1:08:58
  laughing. It's not like, you don't like,
• 1:09:00
  I'm like, yeah, exactly, yeah, it's got to be done.
• 1:09:05
  Well, you know, it's, you know, it's tough like, you know, it's
• 1:09:09
  quite a bit, you know, it's not obviously, on the play.
• 1:09:11
  It's not obviously over baby. You know, it's actually quite
• 1:09:14
  subtle and funny and there is genuinely, you know,
• 1:09:18
  laugh-out-loud funny, whereas, this is trying too hard and it
• 1:09:21
  doesn't impress me into At all, it's just very obvious sight
• 1:09:25
  gags. Like the I know that Titian when
• 1:09:27
  you have to repeat a gag over and over again, that is not
• 1:09:31
  good. I think it has the worst example
• 1:09:34
  of your more Rusty than said look, is there is what we're not
• 1:09:37
  going off to alien planets. We're not going to Planet Zog
• 1:09:40
  because it's just boring and no one's going to be investigating.
• 1:09:43
  This is like the ultimate Planet Zog.
• 1:09:46
  It is the ultimate Journey song, isn't it?
• 1:09:47
  And it's just, it's not memorable, you know, always a
• 1:09:50
  Christmas world for the right way trees.
• 1:09:53
  And, you know, you know, you know, back at least skies and
• 1:09:57
  all the back when it's our last year in Christmas Carol, and
• 1:10:00
  we're going to do it again and actually, all it Christmas in
• 1:10:03
  Time of the Doctor. I'm surprised that we didn't
• 1:10:17
  like by the end of his era. We didn't have like the
• 1:10:19
  constellation of Christmas and it's like there's holes.
• 1:10:23
  A load of Christmas planets and that's where these are moving
• 1:10:26
  set to rip off the Vicar of Dibley
• 1:10:41
  the Great Plague. Typical Isis is ravaging the
• 1:10:45
  system. Okay?
• 1:10:48
  So my second question to you is this because we have we have
• 1:10:51
  been Okay, thing throughout this name me your top five Christmas
• 1:10:58
  specials. Like so where, where would you
• 1:11:01
  go to watch a Christmas special? Okay, well, I think my favorite
• 1:11:06
  would be, I think Christmas Invasion then Last Christmas, I
• 1:11:10
  think that's really good. I like the first game to be
• 1:11:12
  written some actual isos, we just made on laughter.
• 1:11:15
  I think that is really a really fun Christmas special about it
• 1:11:19
  being too syrupy or, you know, Central City.
• 1:11:22
  I think I get it's the balance, just right?
• 1:11:24
  And it is actually quite funny Isis.
• 1:11:26
  So I really like another one that, you know, it's not
• 1:11:31
  famillies not to the stereo because they're not doing
• 1:11:34
  something that's obviously, Christmassy.
• 1:11:36
  Okay, it's actually super hero and I think that really works.
• 1:11:40
  Is again, it's very much a point from its Li is there, but it.
• 1:11:43
  Yeah, and it's called he's very often when they lick probably
• 1:11:47
  do. Comedy is great.
• 1:11:48
  Yeah, I think, you know, he's not the greatest comedian, I
• 1:11:51
  think. So, what I got here, We've got
• 1:11:53
  Christmas Invasion. Last Christmas, dr.
• 1:11:55
  Sarah, hello. You got one more anytime
• 1:12:00
  anytime. Oh my God, I love end of time as
• 1:12:02
  well. Yeah, alright be in the time I
• 1:12:05
  think he's got explores but you know very very some really don't
• 1:12:08
  make sound thinking for Knox I think is one of the best ever
• 1:12:11
  twists in got to never. You know it's not you know, the
• 1:12:14
  master of a the it's just burning creeping in the phone.
• 1:12:18
  Oh my God, you want to do sentiments sensible.
• 1:12:23
  I've had issues about the some creative choices in the end of
• 1:12:26
  time, but in terms of emotion, I don't think I am battered and
• 1:12:30
  bruised, more than in that second half.
• 1:12:34
  Anytime it burner. Crickets Cry.
• 1:12:36
  Yeah. Like right.
• 1:12:37
  But it's when it's places. See I would, I was compared to
• 1:13:04
  this. That's understated though.
• 1:13:06
  Like some of that. It's one of those things.
• 1:13:08
  Yeah, yeah. And also all grown up actually,
• 1:13:11
  I think that's, you know, the problem is this is feature you
• 1:13:13
  kidding level, whereas the end of time is more, you know, it's
• 1:13:16
  red, upsetting Heats, you know, it's got elements.
• 1:13:19
  That all the family would enjoy. Yeah.
• 1:13:21
  You know, I don't know. It's kinda stupid.
• 1:13:23
  You know, it's stupid. It's like, no maskings because
• 1:13:26
  Sunni, I don't know. You've got other might win.
• 1:13:31
  The Masters. Depends what it's always about.
• 1:13:32
  Toby, Yeah. Yeah I think the man's thing
• 1:13:40
  very well. I actually find me in the end of
• 1:13:42
  part 1. Actually quite funny when he's
• 1:13:44
  slower for you. That's various different guys.
• 1:13:46
  It's that bit when the camera comes out and there's all those
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  different Masters and you think poor John?
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  See, we have to put on all those clothes, you know, he seems to
• 1:13:54
  have a ball doing it, you know, he's on one of them, you know,
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  he's on one of a towel books. He's, you know, he's wearing a
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  hoodie, he's got these go like that.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah. These side, you know, those are
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  those are some really good not obvious choices actually in that
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  top five because I think like the big ones people go for a
• 1:14:14
  Christmas carol Christmas Invasion.
• 1:14:17
  Yeah, sometimes like Runaway Bride because yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  and I think so well together. So what that just leaves me to
• 1:14:36
  stay and enormous. Thank you for coming on and self
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  harming yourself in this way. I hope.
• 1:14:46
  Should I be able to entice you back for our third visit?
• 1:14:50
  Absolutely. We had maybe back into the
• 1:14:53
  classic series somewhere. We like this, I agree.
• 1:14:56
  I agree. Definitely.
• 1:14:57
  Well, we'll talk about that off bike, but thank you very much.
• 1:15:01
  Is always a pleasure. So thank you earlier.
• 1:15:03
  My patient and thank you for inviting me again.
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  I hope. Should I be able to entice you
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  back for our third visit? Absolutely.
• 1:14:51
  We had maybe back into the classic series somewhere.
• 1:14:54
  We like this, I agree. I agree.
• 1:14:56
  Definitely. Well, we'll talk about that off
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  bike, but thank you very much. Is always a pleasure.
• 1:15:02
  So thank you earlier. My patient and thank you for
• 1:15:04
  inviting me again.