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How the Qin Empire Really Fell: The Deadly Trap That Created Imperial China | Silk and Steel · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Silk and Steel podcast
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Speaker 1: Chinese history series, where we talk about Chinese history from
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Speaker 1: the deepest antiquity to what we optimistically hope will be
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Speaker 1: the present day thereabouts. We hope that the audience is
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Speaker 1: all you know, off the bender from watching World Cup
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Speaker 1: recently and watching the you know, divine victory of Spain
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Speaker 1: over perfidious Argentina. But once now we move back to
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Speaker 1: the ancient Chinese history where we are also talking about
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Speaker 1: the dramatic events as of the death throes of the
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Speaker 1: Chin Empire. I am the perpetual guest, the JJ once again,
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Speaker 1: and we coming as back is Karl from Bali.
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Speaker 2: HEYJJ, it's funny like almost the entire Latin America is
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Speaker 2: rooting for Spain. But anyway, so we are back in
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Speaker 2: ancient China three O seven BC. So this is a
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Speaker 2: momentous year. The rebellion against the Qing dynasty have is
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Speaker 2: entering its almost third year. You know, it's been two
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Speaker 2: years since the Tencent first raised a flag of rebellion
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Speaker 2: in three O nine BC, and the Qing general Zanghan
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Speaker 2: has been campaigning for two years now trying to put
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Speaker 2: down this rebellion. He had great success. He killed the
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Speaker 2: first rebel leader, Tensen, and then he killed his successor,
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Speaker 2: Shang Yiang. But now he just met his greatest setback
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Speaker 2: at the Battle of chi Lu in the hands of Chang,
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Speaker 2: a twenty five year old rising star of the rebellion.
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Speaker 2: But not all is lost at this point, you know,
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Speaker 2: despite all the shenanigans in the Qing court. You know,
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Speaker 2: as long as the Qin army triumph in the field,
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Speaker 2: the Qin dynasty is still still safe. But now in
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Speaker 2: the aftermath of the Great Battle of Julu, everything is
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Speaker 2: I'm shaky ground. But Danghan's main force is not defeated yet. Sanghan,
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Speaker 2: at this point he's still commanded two hundred thousand men
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Speaker 2: and he is in a standoff against a rebel alliance
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Speaker 2: led by Shanri. Both both have about equal number of men. Shanri,
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Speaker 2: together with all the rebels now gathering underneath him, also
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Speaker 2: about has about two hundred thousand and two sides are
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Speaker 2: sitting across the river uh Some. Khani is in a
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Speaker 2: very entrenched position. His main army camp sits at a
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Speaker 2: caulder sect that is like a cauld de sect of
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Speaker 2: the Taihan mountain range, and in front of him are
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Speaker 2: two rivers acting as moll and he he was also supplied.
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Speaker 2: He could be supplied by the river. He did originally
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Speaker 2: dug a canal connecting those river to the Yellow River,
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Speaker 2: so the Chink and ship grain from its main granary
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Speaker 2: in Shinyang, the city that Wugong was never able to take,
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Speaker 2: and to ship via Yellow River through those canals to
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Speaker 2: supply some kids shoop. So Somehan thought this. You know,
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Speaker 2: he was in a pretty secure position, and he was
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Speaker 2: playing the same game that he did before when he
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Speaker 2: was defeated by Shangri's uncle Shiang Yang. His entrenched himself
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Speaker 2: waiting for the other side to make a mistake so
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Speaker 2: he could counter attack. At the same time, he's sending
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Speaker 2: letters after letters back to the Chin cord asking for
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Speaker 2: reinforcement both in man and supplies. However, Shang is okay.
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Speaker 2: On the other side, the rebels on their show, you're
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Speaker 2: facing their own problem. They their morale is very high.
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Speaker 2: They just scored a great victory crush the most elite
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Speaker 2: division of Chin Imperial troops at the Battle of Chiulu. However,
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Speaker 2: they they have a lot of mouth to feed. They
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Speaker 2: also have two hundred thousand men their original plan was
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Speaker 2: when they come to the relief of the Tao state,
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Speaker 2: they will be able to live off the whatever uh
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Speaker 2: you know, grainage store that Zao has to offer. But
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Speaker 2: the problem is that the forces of Dao had been
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Speaker 2: besieged in Chilulu for like three to four months. There's
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Speaker 2: you know, their store, their food store is also running low.
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Speaker 2: Uh that was that was the Chin commander down. Kin's
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Speaker 2: plan is just to like fight a war of attrition. Wait,
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Speaker 2: wait until the other side run out of supplies and
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Speaker 2: exploit their weakness, maybe when they're only retreat the punks.
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Speaker 2: But then Somehimes started running into his own problems. You know.
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Speaker 2: One is his repeatedly repeated plea for more supplies than
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Speaker 2: man when unanswered by the Chin Imperial court. And two
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Speaker 2: Seang you had sent another force. That's all Commander Sima
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Speaker 2: to send a Zau force to go around and tack
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Speaker 2: the uh Sunheim's back is cap this area, this piece
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Speaker 2: of land between the Yellow River and the and the
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Speaker 2: Taihan Mountain called Lane that was kind of the the
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Speaker 2: back supply base for Sanghang. And in addition, there are
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Speaker 2: several rebel forces, which included a new bounced force that
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Speaker 2: has been you know, attacking somehimes. All the Chin held
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Speaker 2: territory in the rear UH, like the Chin Main Granary
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Speaker 2: in Xinyang still held. I mean theoretically the food can
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Speaker 2: still shipped via waterways through Yellow River to Zanhan, but
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Speaker 2: all the land in between are being captured by rebels.
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Speaker 2: At this time, we already mentioned the Ubank has already
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Speaker 2: helped we installed restore the Han state, and then the
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Speaker 2: similarly the former Way the former Uh Waye King's younger
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Speaker 2: brother you know, left to the True court to ask
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Speaker 2: for help to restore the waste state, and he was
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Speaker 2: given a couple of thousand men and wait about in
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Speaker 2: the aftermath of the chain's great defeat, he was able
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Speaker 2: to exploit the vacuum in the behind the enemy lines,
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Speaker 2: and he was also able to capture Tony's cities reinstall
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Speaker 2: the waste state. So now Zamhan is increasingly trapped. He's
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Speaker 2: been cut up UH, his supplies are getting threatened. Like
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Speaker 2: right now, the only UH supply line he can count
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Speaker 2: down is the waterway through from from Uh ships from
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Speaker 2: Shinyang traveling to his camp, but all the landing between
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Speaker 2: has been occupied by by the rebels, So his situation
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Speaker 2: is also very dicey. And this is also this is
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Speaker 2: the the two side have been in a standoff for
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Speaker 2: about six months right in Neither side wanted to make
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Speaker 2: a move because you know, Don Hug there's no advantage. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 2: because they're they're comfortable size, and Zang Khan is quite
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Speaker 2: entrenched in his position, so they're the both sides are
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Speaker 2: trying to weigh each other out. The problem is that
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Speaker 2: Don Han is also having a problem with the Chain
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Speaker 2: Imperial Core because for the for the one reason all
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Speaker 2: his plea for supplies, when answer is because the Chin
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Speaker 2: Cord could not spare any right they have They have
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Speaker 2: previously reinforce send him reinforcement after Zannhain's defeat. I don't
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Speaker 2: by Chang uncle Shang Nyang, but by now the manpower
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Speaker 2: of Chin has been exhausted. They don't have any more
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Speaker 2: man to send. And at the same time, Nyubang is
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Speaker 2: leading an army numbering tens of thousands that's been marching
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Speaker 2: on Qin capital. So the Chin Cord, which is at
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Speaker 2: this time controlled by Tzau Gal, is requesting Sun him
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Speaker 2: to wrap up the battle with Shang you quickly, you
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Speaker 2: know you're taking too long, we want you to just
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Speaker 2: have a decisive battle, wrap up the battle, and then
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Speaker 2: pull your troops come back to defend the Chin harland. Right,
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Speaker 2: the twos might have very incompatible demands. Uh. Now, Somehimes thought, okay,
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Speaker 2: what if I just send my clothes this confidant Smashing
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Speaker 2: to the capital to require quest a personal audience with
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Speaker 2: the Chain imperor to explain our situation. Right like like
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Speaker 2: maybe maybe because my letters weren't clear on the the
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Speaker 2: to describe the circumstance we're in. So he sent Smashing
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Speaker 2: to the Chain capital, and Smashing waited for audience with
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Speaker 2: the imperor, and he waited three days, still no Stummach,
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Speaker 2: and Smashing started to have a bad feeling about this.
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Speaker 2: But you know, first of all, the situation in the
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Speaker 2: front is a critical right and Shan is the last
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Speaker 2: hope for the Chain dynasty at the moment. And yet
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Speaker 2: some Han's personal envoy to the imperial core has been
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Speaker 2: ignored for three days. Right, So Smashing decide to find
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Speaker 2: out what the heck is going on? So what what? What? What?
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Speaker 2: What is going on? Is that after execution of the
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Speaker 2: Chiam Prime Minister, lease Go has taken over that position
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Speaker 2: as a prime minister, and he increasingly he is uh
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of issuing all the decrease on the
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Speaker 2: behalf of the Imperor Hi who just wanted to enjoy himself,
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Speaker 2: didn't really care about governing. And there is a famous
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Speaker 2: instance when uh, you know, it's how God wanted to
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Speaker 2: ensure that he has a compliance and loyalty. So he
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Speaker 2: one day he had a deer brought up to the
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Speaker 2: court and told the Imperor, your majesty, look at I
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Speaker 2: just acquired a beautiful horse. And who I look at
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Speaker 2: this like, oh, Prime Minister, you must be joking. That's
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Speaker 2: a deer, Like why are you following a deer a horse?
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Speaker 2: And then he turns around to the to the officials,
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Speaker 2: and the officials they knew what's going on, and they
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Speaker 2: knew it's a loyalty test by it's out God and
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Speaker 2: they say, oh, yeah, that's a fine horse. But there
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Speaker 2: are some who said, no, that's that's really that's clearly
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Speaker 2: a deer. You know, how can you call it a
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Speaker 2: horse now? So gou quietly took note of who agreed
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Speaker 2: with him and who disagree with him, and later he
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Speaker 2: you know, made a list of all the guys who
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Speaker 2: said that's a that's a that's a that's a deer,
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Speaker 2: not a horse, and have them and their family purged.
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Speaker 2: So after that, nobody dared to oppose Sougau anymore.
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Speaker 1: And during this instance even the Emperor himself said, hey,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's like a deer, right and then
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Speaker 1: but not many officials were willing to echo him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they know it's you know, what's how is
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Speaker 2: doing you know, this is a loyalty test. This is
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Speaker 2: this is a famous origin of Chinese idiots Lou Weimar
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Speaker 2: pointing to a deer and calling a horse. This is
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Speaker 2: equivalent of saying like, you know, calling black and white,
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Speaker 2: you know, like turning truth on its head. Yeah, and
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Speaker 2: and because so so now he have all the power,
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Speaker 2: but he also inherited all the responsibilities of running the
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Speaker 2: Chin state. You know, Initially he's you know, he's sending
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Speaker 2: all the reinforcement that Zanghang was requiring. But at this point,
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Speaker 2: really he can't. There's no more man to say, there's
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Speaker 2: the land of Chin is exhausted. And so he so
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Speaker 2: he decided, you know, well how about ill just but
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Speaker 2: he cannot he had completely block out the information from
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Speaker 2: the emperor himself, Hi did not know there was a
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Speaker 2: great defeat of the Chin forces at Juli Lu right
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Speaker 2: he because as I mentioned before, who Hai hates bad
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Speaker 2: news the very if the first time went Tensen and
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Speaker 2: Wun raise the banner rebellion and and send the large
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Speaker 2: rebel force to tax the Ching heartland. And and the
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Speaker 2: envoy who brought the news to the to the import
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Speaker 2: who I got the blame. He blamed the messenger. You know,
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Speaker 2: I had the messengers thrown into jail. And then you
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Speaker 2: have Susan Tones said, oh, those are just ordinary bandits.
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Speaker 2: There's nothing to worry about. All the Chin governors will
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Speaker 2: take care of them. And then WHOI was very happy
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Speaker 2: to hear that. So after that, nobody wanted to bring
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Speaker 2: the bad news to w Hi. And you know it's
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Speaker 2: a goal being you know, master manipulator. Of course, also
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Speaker 2: created informational bubble around who. All the information, all the
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Speaker 2: report have to go through him. So for who Hi
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Speaker 2: is concerned, everything is honky dory, right like, like the
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Speaker 2: rebels are being suppressed, are being taken care of by
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Speaker 2: the local Chin commanders. So God knows the truth and
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Speaker 2: he cannot let the truth leak through to the emperor.
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Speaker 2: So so that's why he cannot allow sometimes right hand
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Speaker 2: man Smashing to have that audience with the emperor. Right.
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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, you know he can he
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Speaker 2: can't also satisfy sometimes requests for supply. So he decided,
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Speaker 2: you know what, let's just play the delay tag and
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Speaker 2: it just kicks the ball down the road. Let's just
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Speaker 2: just like not just just leave Smashing holding up in
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Speaker 2: the government hostel, right like and not I just have
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Speaker 2: him like in a holding pattern. But Smashing now he knows,
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Speaker 2: you know, what's going on at the court. He's start
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Speaker 2: panicking because he's not This a very dangerous signal, like
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Speaker 2: I can representing General Sunghan, yet I'm not being allowed
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Speaker 2: to have the audience who is the imperor. This is
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Speaker 2: a sign that my general commander has lost the trust
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Speaker 2: of the emper. That's really really bad news. So Smashing,
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Speaker 2: after a while, he decided to sneak away. But he
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Speaker 2: also you know, didn't trust so he did instead of
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Speaker 2: traveling a normal road, you know, like the national Highway
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Speaker 2: that was built by the first emperor, he decided to
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Speaker 2: take a take a take the back roads and and
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Speaker 2: and then he also had people to watch what's going
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Speaker 2: on in the main road. And just as he suspects suspected.
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Speaker 2: So Gou when he heard the news as Smashing has
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Speaker 2: left the capital unauthorized, he sent people to go after him,
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Speaker 2: you know, go after Smashing. So this confirms smashing suspicion
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Speaker 2: that we're in trouble. So he went back to the
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Speaker 2: army camp to to see his commander, Zanhunt. He said,
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Speaker 2: he told what happened, and then he said, look, we
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Speaker 2: are you have you have a choice to make commander,
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Speaker 2: but you have to know the consequences. You know, if
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Speaker 2: we win here, if we somehow we manage to overcome
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Speaker 2: all the odds and win and defeat the rebels. So
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Speaker 2: Gout is gonna be jealous of your achievement because you
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Speaker 2: single handedly save the Jin dynasty from collapse right by
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Speaker 2: your streams of victories against the rebels. So if you,
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Speaker 2: if you, if you succeed, you are gonna be on
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Speaker 2: Gou's target list, who right now control all the power
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Speaker 2: at the court. On the other hand, if you lose,
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Speaker 2: then it's came over, you know, like our life, our
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Speaker 2: life is on the line, you know. So so we're
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Speaker 2: we're basically literally between a rock and hard place, and
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Speaker 2: you have to consider this long and hard. How how
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Speaker 2: we should proceed?
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Speaker 1: Now, these options are basically, if he loses, he will die. Right.
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Speaker 1: If he wins and he doesn't rebel, he's going to
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Speaker 1: die as well, So he'll have to rebel to save
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Speaker 1: his own life. If he wins, winning is kind of
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Speaker 1: a difficult proposition. It's not impossible, but it's risky. So
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Speaker 1: you know, Changhan is this kind of cautious, calculating person.
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Speaker 1: If he goes over to the rebel's side, you know,
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Speaker 1: this maximizes his own at least chances of survival.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so at this critical juncture, a letter arrived to
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Speaker 2: Zanghan's death from the rebel leader, now Tenui. The last
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Speaker 2: time we saw him, he was having an argument with
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Speaker 2: his one time best buddy seller Been, the commander of
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Speaker 2: the Tzao forces. He was camped out of the city
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Speaker 2: ji Lu with several tens of thousands of troops, but
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Speaker 2: he was scared to engage the main Chin forces led
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Speaker 2: by one Lee because you know, one Lee had more
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Speaker 2: man you know, they're they're more better, you equip, better fed,
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Speaker 2: better train, and uh hey, we felt like he's he
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Speaker 2: didn't have enough manpower to overcome the chain siege of
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Speaker 2: but and the king were trapped inside the city, and
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Speaker 2: they keep on asking him to do something, and and
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Speaker 2: in the end, Sunger send a final ultimatums like, look,
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Speaker 2: we are the friends that supposedly you know, we're the
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Speaker 2: friends who would die for each other. Now it's your
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Speaker 2: chance to put me a loyalty. There's time for us
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Speaker 2: to die together. And then you said like.
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Speaker 3: No, we're like, if I die, I would have died
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Speaker 3: for nothing. You know, it's like throwing the throw, you know,
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Speaker 3: throwing me to the tiger. That's that's that's what happened.
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Speaker 3: If I let attack on the chain forces right now.
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Speaker 2: But if I stay alive, there's still a chance I
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Speaker 2: might take revenge for you. You know, if you got killed,
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Speaker 2: I can still take revenge for you. You know I
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Speaker 2: would not I would only you know, I would not careless.
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Speaker 2: I'm not afraid of dying, but I don't want to
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Speaker 2: careless to throw my life away without accomplishing anything. So
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Speaker 2: but because of this, uh, you know, when the Battle
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Speaker 2: of Julu was finally over, dung Are blamed Tenvy and
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Speaker 2: and and furthermore, Zunger had sent his unvo personal envoy
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Speaker 2: to Tenvy before to blame him, to ask him, you know,
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Speaker 2: why why don't you die together? Why don't you attack?
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Speaker 2: And then you said, okayay, I'll give you five thousand men.
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Speaker 2: Why don't you try to attack the chain yourself. You'll
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Speaker 2: find out how hard it is. And those two led
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Speaker 2: the five thousand men and got wiped out by the
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Speaker 2: by the chain forces. So when Zungar asked Henry about, oh,
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Speaker 2: what happened to my confid down, I said, send you?
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Speaker 2: Did you kill them? Said no, no, no, no, I give
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Speaker 2: them five thousand men and they got killed. But Tunger
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Speaker 2: will believe him. Sungler things ten you sickly executed his
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Speaker 2: own voice. So these two might had a split, and
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Speaker 2: and Tenu was very angry. He he throwed down his
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Speaker 2: ceo of command and say, you think I just treasure power?
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Speaker 2: You think I care about this? Here you can't have it.
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Speaker 2: And then he went to bathroom. And then Summer's rete
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Speaker 2: followers at, oh, this is heaven given chance. Don't spurn
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Speaker 2: Heaven's offer, you know, like if you respern Evin's gift,
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Speaker 2: you will be punished by the heaven. So Sungar took
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Speaker 2: the command of Chenu's army and left or So by
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Speaker 2: the time sen You got out of that, he only
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Speaker 2: had a couple hundred followers left. So so Senu at
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Speaker 2: this point he also wanted to get back into the
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Speaker 2: good graces of the rebel leader Changri by Uh, so
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Speaker 2: that his way to get back to power is he
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Speaker 2: wrote a personal letter to Zanghan to convince some hunter
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Speaker 2: surrender and the letter then you you said, look right now, General,
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Speaker 2: you have accomplished a lot, but you should look at
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Speaker 2: the example how the Qin dynasty Imperial court treat its
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Speaker 2: most accomplished generals. You know, how can you compare yourself
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Speaker 2: to the famous Chin general Baishi. You know, Bi led
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Speaker 2: only fifty thousand tubes strike deep into the true hard land,
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Speaker 2: capturing the two capital I mean he won. He won
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Speaker 2: over states after state, defeated hundreds of thousands of Chin's enemies.
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Speaker 2: In the end, what happened to him, he was ordered
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Speaker 2: to commit suicide by the Chin king. And look at
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Speaker 2: more recent example, look at what happened to Monk Tian.
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Speaker 2: Munk Tian was the one who vanquished, you know, force
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Speaker 2: the last state of the last six states, the state
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Speaker 2: of chief to surrender. And he also led three hundred
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Speaker 2: thousand men to defeat Shungu, the nomadic Chu and push
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Speaker 2: out them north of the Yellow River, you know, to
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Speaker 2: recover all the land that was occupied by the nomads
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Speaker 2: south of the Yellow River. And how was he rewarded?
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Speaker 2: He was asked to commit suicide? Those are your examples,
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Speaker 2: you know, Like, so you you right now you are
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Speaker 2: if you win, you know that that's that's you're going
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Speaker 2: to follow their example. Well, if you lose, you will die.
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Speaker 2: So why don't you join the forces with the rebellion.
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Speaker 2: Then we all can march into the Chin capital together
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Speaker 2: and we can divide up the Chin heart land and
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Speaker 2: we can all be made kings. Yeah, wouldn't that be better?
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Speaker 2: And that's a very persuasive art human and uh and
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Speaker 2: you know, somehow was probably waiting for something like this
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Speaker 2: because Henui obviously has a has a quite high reputation
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Speaker 2: among the rebel alliance. And so sometimes then sent envoid
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Speaker 2: Uh to negotiate with negotiate turns with Shangi. But he
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Speaker 2: wanted like not an unconditional surrender. He his offering to
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Speaker 2: join the rebels, join the rebellion, so they will be equals,
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Speaker 2: they will be part of But while the negotiating, so
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Speaker 2: Chang you agree to the negotiation. But while the negotiation
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Speaker 2: is going on, or Shang, we decide to attack. He
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Speaker 2: sent U jiang Jun, who is one of the general
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Speaker 2: with Zimbu that originally was sent to cut the supply
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Speaker 2: corridor between Zanghan and Wang. In the battle, he sent
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Speaker 2: to launch a surprise attack across the river, capture the
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Speaker 2: river crossing and and and pushed the Chin Uh broke
24:06
Speaker 2: broke through the first layer of Chin defenses. So before
24:09
Speaker 2: I said, Shane is a very cautious commander. He had
24:12
Speaker 2: a very layered defense and a multi layer defense. So
24:16
Speaker 2: so Joan Juns vanguard broke through the first layer of
24:20
Speaker 2: the Chin defense, and Shang you pressed his advantage and
24:25
Speaker 2: crossed the river the other river from the other side,
24:28
Speaker 2: and again the Chin forces fell back. But but soon Shang,
24:34
Speaker 2: we realize, okay, you know some honey is a real,
24:41
Speaker 2: real strategic like a tactical commander. He laid his army
24:46
Speaker 2: camp in such a way it's like a trap, you know,
24:50
Speaker 2: funneling the true army to come in. Because his main
24:54
Speaker 2: army is very well entrench inside fortified position. And now
25:01
Speaker 2: the true army have crossed the river, their own retreat
25:06
Speaker 2: is getting cut off by the river. And also it
25:10
Speaker 2: made the.
25:11
Speaker 1: Supply the tuami has crossed the river in force. Now
25:14
Speaker 1: it's not like a probing attack against the against the
25:18
Speaker 1: chain force.
25:19
Speaker 2: Yeah. And and it also stretched the true army's own
25:22
Speaker 2: supply lines. And now they have to carry supply across
25:26
Speaker 2: the river. Whereas you know, Sunghan can just sit at
25:31
Speaker 2: pretty in his army camp, you know, on his own
25:34
Speaker 2: store of grains and wait for him. And and so
25:39
Speaker 2: finally they negotiation begin again again. You know, Sanghang offered
25:46
Speaker 2: to join the rebellion, and this time Chang You decide
25:52
Speaker 2: to accept it because he because like I said, the
25:55
Speaker 2: rebel forces position is also very tenuous, because Shang You
26:00
Speaker 2: has two hundred thousand men who are running out low
26:03
Speaker 2: on supplies, and if they cannot defeat the Chin army quickly,
26:10
Speaker 2: you know, they will be run into the trouble of
26:13
Speaker 2: running out supplies. And whereas sometimes because sometimes sit behind
26:17
Speaker 2: very wild defense defensible positions, you know, sometimes can afford
26:22
Speaker 2: to hold out in a long siege. So in the end,
26:27
Speaker 2: Uh Shang You told his commander, look, our our supplies
26:31
Speaker 2: are running out, so it's it's better that we have
26:35
Speaker 2: seek a speedy conclusion to this this campaign, so he
26:39
Speaker 2: decided to accept sometimes surrender. The two sides met in
26:44
Speaker 2: the front line and they swear an oath. Uh sealed
26:48
Speaker 2: a pack where somehinw was officially inducted into the ranks
26:54
Speaker 2: of rebellion and m and It and Shang you give
27:01
Speaker 2: Zanghan the title of king King of Yung. Yung is
27:06
Speaker 2: another name for the land of Qing. And then he
27:12
Speaker 2: also Uh granted the Zanghans right hand man Smashing as
27:17
Speaker 2: a sung juang Jun the grand commander. Now, now some
27:25
Speaker 2: historian things like Smashing played Uh may have played like
27:31
Speaker 2: a more decisive role in this because Smashing actually he
27:38
Speaker 2: was a old acquaintances of Shang Wi's family. Because as
27:42
Speaker 2: we call Shang Wi's uncle, Shang Dyang at one point
27:46
Speaker 2: had a rest warrant after him, and to get out
27:49
Speaker 2: of that, Shang Dyan had his friend Uh, a Chin official,
27:56
Speaker 2: write a letter to Smashing. Smashing. Smashing at that time
28:02
Speaker 2: was in charge of the prison in the in the
28:06
Speaker 2: county that issued the arrest warrant for Shang Yang. And
28:10
Speaker 2: because of that letter, Smashing you know, got his his
28:16
Speaker 2: warrant was taken off taken off the records so Smashing already,
28:22
Speaker 2: so so there's so. And later Smashing was made kings
28:26
Speaker 2: alongside uh Zanghan. So I mean they was given same rank,
28:32
Speaker 2: same status. So so there's a suspicion that Smash she
28:36
Speaker 2: may have colluded with Shangi to convince Ahan to surrender,
28:41
Speaker 2: you know, you know, for personal reasons, because you know,
28:45
Speaker 2: they already know each other, they already had a connection.
28:49
Speaker 2: And plus that that the word the Chin forces was
28:53
Speaker 2: already in dire straight But in any case, this news
28:58
Speaker 2: uh quickly and shock waves uh uh but but but
29:04
Speaker 2: the shockwaves did not reach the emperor whay who I
29:08
Speaker 2: still did not know about this. Uh. But that allowed
29:13
Speaker 2: the all the rebels, other rebel forces uh to kind
29:17
Speaker 2: of start to mop up all the all the remaining
29:20
Speaker 2: Chin cities. Now, now the Ubung is already on his
29:24
Speaker 2: way to attack through the one or the past, which
29:31
Speaker 2: guards the approach to the Qin capital. And he he's
29:37
Speaker 2: met when he so when he approached one the you know,
29:45
Speaker 2: like he he at this time, he already had tens
29:51
Speaker 2: of thousands of men uh and on the way he
29:54
Speaker 2: was joined by even more rebel forces. He was joined
29:57
Speaker 2: by three additional rebel forces. So he has several tens
30:01
Speaker 2: of thousands of men. He was prepared to take this
30:04
Speaker 2: pass by force, but Sangdian, his friend slash Advisor, said,
30:12
Speaker 2: wait a minute, the Chin forces are still pretty strong.
30:16
Speaker 2: You know, we shouldn't we shouldn't be careless. But what
30:20
Speaker 2: I heard is a commander. It was originally the son
30:24
Speaker 2: of a butcher. People like that can be easily tempted
30:29
Speaker 2: by profit. So I respectfulfully, respectfully request that you lord
30:37
Speaker 2: pay to remain in the army camp for the time
30:40
Speaker 2: being and send the man ahead. Instead sending the man,
30:44
Speaker 2: I had to prepare for food for fifty thousand soldiers. Additionally,
30:50
Speaker 2: we will place banners all around the mountains in the
30:53
Speaker 2: surrounding hills to look like we have a much much
30:58
Speaker 2: larger force, you know, to imitate the chain defenders. And
31:02
Speaker 2: then after putting this show, you send uh that old
31:09
Speaker 2: man Uh the li g to acting as your envoy
31:16
Speaker 2: to convince the Chin commander to surrender for people. LII
31:22
Speaker 2: is the one who joined UH the obey and then
31:25
Speaker 2: he UH managed to kill the governor of tendil Uh
31:32
Speaker 2: and and and but LIGI have apparently have very good
31:36
Speaker 2: oratory skills because he always sent us the envoy to
31:39
Speaker 2: convince the other side to surrender. So so Igi went
31:43
Speaker 2: to see the Chin commander with a lot of treasure
31:46
Speaker 2: as a bribe, and the Chin commander agreed to defect
31:50
Speaker 2: and agree to join the rebellion to attack Uh, to
31:53
Speaker 2: lead the attack on the Chain capital together Uh. And
31:57
Speaker 2: the Upah was about to agree, but then Young now
32:02
Speaker 2: have another advice. He said, wait a minute, wait a minute.
32:06
Speaker 2: Right now, the only the general has agreed to defect,
32:10
Speaker 2: but we're not sure about his soldiers. You know, this
32:13
Speaker 2: could be dangerous if his soldiers do not agree to
32:17
Speaker 2: to the defection. So why don't we attack them while
32:22
Speaker 2: their guards are down? Well, when the general himself he
32:25
Speaker 2: had a deal, and now we attack them while their
32:28
Speaker 2: guards are down. You know, this is kind of like
32:29
Speaker 2: the Trump type of negotiation. Right first you negotiating, and
32:35
Speaker 2: then you attacked them while you're negotiating. But this, this works,
32:40
Speaker 2: This works. So Nubung was able to forces was able
32:45
Speaker 2: to catch the Chain defender by surprise, and they overcame
32:49
Speaker 2: and took the pass and now they're inside the Chin heartland.
32:55
Speaker 2: And now now this neozze Uh, it's it's it's really
33:01
Speaker 2: hot hard. They have now they met the Chin forces
33:08
Speaker 2: at nine ten Uh and engaging another battle. By the way,
33:13
Speaker 2: nine ten is a place where state of two maybe
33:18
Speaker 2: like one hundred years ago. Also they they when they
33:23
Speaker 2: broke through the past, also fought like a last ditch,
33:28
Speaker 2: like a hail Mary offensive against the State of Chin
33:31
Speaker 2: and Lantien. The Battle of Lantien is where they got stopped.
33:35
Speaker 2: And the reason they got stopped is really the because
33:38
Speaker 2: state of who got stabbed in the back by the
33:40
Speaker 2: Chin allies the way and hun the state by this
33:44
Speaker 2: time Milbun's true forces was able to overcome the Chin defenders.
33:50
Speaker 2: And now they're within one hundred kilometers of the capitol,
33:55
Speaker 2: and now it's going to be very difficult for it's
34:00
Speaker 2: out goal to hide that news. I mean, the impert
34:04
Speaker 2: who I might be stupid, might be you know, deceived,
34:07
Speaker 2: but when a big army is approaching the calf of
34:12
Speaker 2: the only one hundred meters away, it's really hard to
34:15
Speaker 2: hide that news. So now it's all Gau is start
34:18
Speaker 2: to worry about his own position because now the news
34:24
Speaker 2: started filtering through and the Imperor Whi is starting to
34:28
Speaker 2: ask him questions. It's like, what what do you mean?
34:32
Speaker 2: The rebels are approaching our capital again, it's have a
34:38
Speaker 2: decision to make, right. I mean, he can only disguise
34:42
Speaker 2: information from the improv for so long. If the improv
34:47
Speaker 2: he's going to get blamed for it, right, and you
34:50
Speaker 2: know he's going to be he's the one that holds
34:53
Speaker 2: ultimate responsibility. Of course, he doesn't want to do that.
34:57
Speaker 2: So his solution is, let's remove the emperor. Let's let's
35:03
Speaker 2: let's take power. So what happened was uh at this time?
35:13
Speaker 2: So uh the emperor he he after that incident with
35:21
Speaker 2: the deer and the horse. You know, the emperor was
35:24
Speaker 2: pretty startled, like what what do you mean that? Like
35:27
Speaker 2: that that deer was a horse. So he asked his
35:30
Speaker 2: Grand governor. And because Grand Governor said, your magic neglected
35:35
Speaker 2: the spring and autumn sacrifices at the altar of the
35:40
Speaker 2: land and the grain, and you failed to properly under
35:43
Speaker 2: ancetual temple and deities, and your uh, your fasting and
35:47
Speaker 2: purification rights are not sincere. This is why such confusion occurred.
35:52
Speaker 2: So you'd be appropriate for your majesty to observe a
35:56
Speaker 2: strict fast and purification in order in according with the
36:01
Speaker 2: virtue of the sage kings. So so Imperor Huai he
36:06
Speaker 2: went to the Imperial Hunting Park to observe the fasting
36:10
Speaker 2: and purification rituals. And every day he will, you know,
36:14
Speaker 2: he has nothing better to do. Every day he will
36:16
Speaker 2: roam the park and hunting. And this time a combiner
36:21
Speaker 2: somehow stumbled into the Imperial Park hunting park, and the
36:26
Speaker 2: Imperor who Hai just shot and killed him personally. Now,
36:31
Speaker 2: so Gau, he instructed his son in law, Yeah, the
36:35
Speaker 2: the match straight the mayor of the capitol to report
36:40
Speaker 2: that an unknown uh bandit has uh two, report that
36:48
Speaker 2: unknown bandit has killed a man and and moved the
36:55
Speaker 2: body into the imperial uh imperial hunting ground, uh, you know,
37:01
Speaker 2: to cover up for what the import did. And then
37:04
Speaker 2: he advised the emperor says, you know, for emperor to
37:08
Speaker 2: kill an innocent person with a cause is forbidden by heaven.
37:12
Speaker 2: The gods and those spirits will not accept offering, and
37:15
Speaker 2: calamity will descend from the heaven. You should move away
37:19
Speaker 2: from the palace to avert this disaster. And so the
37:23
Speaker 2: Emperor who he moved from the main imperial palace into
37:28
Speaker 2: a like like the kind of a different palace. The
37:33
Speaker 2: one Yi Palace is which is outside of the Imperial city.
37:37
Speaker 2: And and then after staying there for three days, the
37:44
Speaker 2: he forged the imperial decree to the palace guards and
37:48
Speaker 2: order them to wear plain clothes but hold weapons and
37:52
Speaker 2: face face inward toward the palace. Then he entered the
37:56
Speaker 2: palace and tell the import who hides this, the both
38:00
Speaker 2: forces from the east of the mountain are approaching great numbers.
38:04
Speaker 2: And the the Emperor wise look out from the from
38:09
Speaker 2: the walls and saw the number of imperial soldiers now
38:14
Speaker 2: dressing the plane clothes and holding weapons, and and looked
38:17
Speaker 2: like marching toward him. And so he was terrified. So so, uh,
38:24
Speaker 2: there is one account, so there are different account of this,
38:27
Speaker 2: uh of this this coop you know. Another account was
38:33
Speaker 2: the emperor had a dream and in in this in
38:37
Speaker 2: this uh in in the dream that he was when
38:43
Speaker 2: the Emperor was in the one one ye palace, and
38:46
Speaker 2: he dreamed that a white tiger had attacked his carriage,
38:52
Speaker 2: his horse and killed his horse. And so when he
38:55
Speaker 2: wake up, he asked the diverner, and Divernor says, all,
38:59
Speaker 2: because this is the this is the gods of the river.
39:03
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's that's that's creating this disturbance, and so
39:07
Speaker 2: as the emperor to fast in the one palace and
39:15
Speaker 2: then uh sau at that time he h he one second,
39:25
Speaker 2: I need to read this. Uh okay uh. So so
39:32
Speaker 2: so the emperor he actually sent the envoy to to
39:36
Speaker 2: reprimid men him for his failure of dealing with the rebels.
39:42
Speaker 2: So now now was terrified. So he conspired with his
39:47
Speaker 2: younger brother thou Tan and his son in law Yen
39:51
Speaker 2: lu Uh. Yen Lu is the he is a made
39:57
Speaker 2: magistrate of the capitol. He actually control all the capital garrison,
40:03
Speaker 2: and his younger brother Daltan controls the imperial guard guarding
40:08
Speaker 2: the palace. So he controlled all the armed forces. And
40:14
Speaker 2: now the question is, wasn't supposed to be a eunuch?
40:18
Speaker 2: How does he have a daughter have a son in law? Right?
40:23
Speaker 2: Some I read some explanation is that that that the
40:28
Speaker 2: idea that is a eunuch is actually mistranslation during the
40:32
Speaker 2: Eastern Han dynasty because in the in the record of
40:37
Speaker 2: Grand Historian, it only says is a huanzen. You know,
40:45
Speaker 2: in Chinese, the later the eunuch is called usually means yeah,
40:50
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. But but in the early time, Juan then
40:54
Speaker 2: just means the people who serve who who are close
40:59
Speaker 2: servants of the ruler, you know, and it it. But
41:04
Speaker 2: when they say eunich specifically say Juan Yen, you know,
41:09
Speaker 2: the cats trated Juan. But but in the early records,
41:14
Speaker 2: there's nothing talking about being a castrated person. You know,
41:19
Speaker 2: in the old times, Juan's just those people who can
41:22
Speaker 2: inter the inner palace into the impresson residents. So tag
41:29
Speaker 2: might not even be a eunuch. Uh, and he was.
41:34
Speaker 2: And also his name is Thao. You know, there's a
41:37
Speaker 2: suspicion that he might be from like the the branch
41:43
Speaker 2: of the Tsau ruling family of the Tao state. Traditionally
41:47
Speaker 2: it was common to send hostage prince to the other states,
41:52
Speaker 2: like the first Impresson own father, you know, was serving
41:56
Speaker 2: as a hostage in the Tau state. But you know,
41:59
Speaker 2: if if IF's was from like a lineage of of
42:04
Speaker 2: a Tau prince that was serving hostage in the chain stay,
42:09
Speaker 2: you know, after a couple of generations, usually like they
42:13
Speaker 2: they became so insignificant, right like they're they're they're not
42:16
Speaker 2: that important, but happened to have uh, he he was
42:23
Speaker 2: sentenced at one point for whatever reason. He was sentenced
42:27
Speaker 2: to uh to to some certain punishment. Uh, he was
42:34
Speaker 2: sentenced but but he was uh. Him and his brother
42:40
Speaker 2: or maybe their father was was working in a place
42:43
Speaker 2: called uh and and later that it's became a typo,
42:51
Speaker 2: it became go and people thought as in the shin
42:55
Speaker 2: as in like castrations. That's why I thought he was
42:57
Speaker 2: castrated unique. But actually that means there are former criminals
43:03
Speaker 2: or former prisoners uh who are assigned to work like
43:09
Speaker 2: they're all or gathering one place to work for the
43:12
Speaker 2: government and so so so for what. So one time
43:18
Speaker 2: committed some kind of offense and his case was judged
43:22
Speaker 2: by first Imprese confidant Monge, the younger brother of Monkeyn
43:27
Speaker 2: and Monkey is sentenced Saugau to death. But because but
43:32
Speaker 2: but money had to get the first improt to sign
43:35
Speaker 2: off on the execution order. But when so, the first
43:41
Speaker 2: improt had the audience without Gau, he was very impressed.
43:45
Speaker 2: Without Gaul's knowledge with legal matters, comparently is a bit
43:50
Speaker 2: of a legal scholar. He can resigne all the chain laws.
43:53
Speaker 2: So that's how first Improt not only spared Algau's life,
43:58
Speaker 2: but you know, recruited him to work as his personal secretary.
44:02
Speaker 2: And this is why it's had carried a grudge for
44:05
Speaker 2: the monk brothers, you know that eventually got came and
44:09
Speaker 2: monk he killed. So anyway, so so it may not
44:13
Speaker 2: be a eunuch all along. That's why he had a daughter,
44:15
Speaker 2: and he had a son in law, and so he
44:19
Speaker 2: plotted with his son in law, who controlled the garrison
44:22
Speaker 2: in this capitol, and his younger brother who controls the
44:26
Speaker 2: imperial guard in the palace, on how to do this coup.
44:30
Speaker 2: So what they did is they first hide the Uh.
44:36
Speaker 2: They have his son in law, Yendla, to lead the garrison,
44:42
Speaker 2: the capital garrison, to in search of bandit. And this
44:47
Speaker 2: bandit's crime is supposedly have kidnapped Yendles's elderly mother. Right,
44:53
Speaker 2: so Jenla is leading troops to looking for the bandit
44:56
Speaker 2: who kidnapped his mom, but actually yendless mom was being
45:01
Speaker 2: kept insides out Gal's own household. Hide inside Out's household.
45:06
Speaker 2: But I think this is also South is basically holding
45:09
Speaker 2: his his song in lost Mama's a hostage just in
45:14
Speaker 2: case Yendler doesn't go along with this plan. And and
45:19
Speaker 2: so Yenla let us Uh led the troops to rush
45:22
Speaker 2: the palace and the guard who were guarding the palace like, wait, wait,
45:28
Speaker 2: what what are you doing? Why are you leading the
45:29
Speaker 2: troop to the palace. He said, oh, you know, the
45:32
Speaker 2: band has kidnapped my mother and they people have saw
45:35
Speaker 2: them entering the palace, and the captain of the guards
45:39
Speaker 2: they're like, that's ridiculous. Our palace is sealed tight. It's
45:43
Speaker 2: impossible for someone to like a bandit, to enter without
45:47
Speaker 2: us knowing. At this time, Yendler just chew his sword,
45:50
Speaker 2: cut down the captain of the guard, and led his
45:53
Speaker 2: troop to rush into the palace. And along the way
45:57
Speaker 2: he was help by's younger brother who control the rest
46:03
Speaker 2: of the Imperial guard inside the palace, and then made
46:06
Speaker 2: b line towards the residents of the chain Imperor who
46:10
Speaker 2: hi and and when they when they uh? When? Who?
46:15
Speaker 2: I finally realized what's going on. All his uh closest,
46:19
Speaker 2: all his eunuch, and all his servants all fled except
46:23
Speaker 2: for one you know who stayed with him and he
46:27
Speaker 2: who I turned on to this last remaining eunuch. Why
46:30
Speaker 2: didn't you tell me about and his intentions? And the
46:35
Speaker 2: guys like well the reason, I mean, I'm alive, right,
46:38
Speaker 2: now I'm still alive is because I didn't tell you.
46:43
Speaker 2: I had told you I haven't been killed a long
46:44
Speaker 2: time ago, because I kept my mouth shut. That's why
46:48
Speaker 2: I'm still alive. So finally Jendler found found the imperor
46:53
Speaker 2: and and ordered the emperor to commit suicide. But the
46:58
Speaker 2: imper is like, whoa wa, wait a minute, wait a minute,
47:00
Speaker 2: how about how about you know, I don't ask to
47:03
Speaker 2: be the import anymore? How about just just give me
47:05
Speaker 2: one commandery and make me the king yeend less like
47:09
Speaker 2: I don't think you understand the situation and the imports
47:14
Speaker 2: like okay, how about how about a marquee give me
47:17
Speaker 2: give me ten of thousands of household as my thief.
47:19
Speaker 2: I'll be happy with that, yendless like, no, and and
47:23
Speaker 2: the first import? How about how like not first import?
47:25
Speaker 2: This is the second impert? Who how about just allow
47:29
Speaker 2: me and my wife to be commoners, you know, will
47:32
Speaker 2: live and exile us, yendless like Now I have a
47:37
Speaker 2: splift order from the Prime Minister. We're here to kill
47:42
Speaker 2: you because you are tyrant. We're here to overthrow you
47:46
Speaker 2: as a tyrant of chin. So here's a choice. You're
47:49
Speaker 2: do it yourself. Oh, we'll do it for you. So
47:53
Speaker 2: in the end, who I had no choice but commit
47:55
Speaker 2: suicide and now hold work? He said? He said, well, uh, well,
48:04
Speaker 2: according to the record of Grand Historian, he said, initially
48:08
Speaker 2: it's out God wanted to be king himself. When he
48:12
Speaker 2: realized he doesn't have the support, he decided to install
48:16
Speaker 2: a new ruler, prince.
48:19
Speaker 1: Now is this when he tries to He also sends
48:23
Speaker 1: the envoy to Leopong and offers that we will each
48:28
Speaker 1: be kings and we will split the realm?
48:31
Speaker 2: Right?
48:32
Speaker 1: The is this when he's still trying to be like
48:35
Speaker 1: king himself.
48:37
Speaker 2: So that's that's yeah, that's good question. This is why
48:41
Speaker 2: I think the smutch and might be mistaken, because I mean,
48:45
Speaker 2: why would who had killed the emperor? If you think
48:48
Speaker 2: about it, we're just why, I mean, we're does God's
48:52
Speaker 2: power come from all his power come from the import
48:56
Speaker 2: Because he's a spokesperson for the imperort. Everybody knows he
49:00
Speaker 2: expressed the will of the emperor, right, so he and
49:05
Speaker 2: himself have no legitimacy whatsoever to any claim to the throne.
49:10
Speaker 2: That's one. Two. Why would you want to be king
49:13
Speaker 2: at this one? If you are, if you're the king,
49:16
Speaker 2: you're dead for sure because the rebel was approaching you.
49:20
Speaker 2: Your your survivability is zero. So at this time, the
49:24
Speaker 2: best approach is actually make another guy to be the
49:27
Speaker 2: fall guide if he's a sacrificial king and then you know,
49:32
Speaker 2: because the king always get the acts and but you
49:35
Speaker 2: will be not the king can actually survive and negotiate
49:38
Speaker 2: with the rebels. Right. So yes, at this time, Uh
49:45
Speaker 2: was already in negotiation with Nyupang, who is fastly approaching
49:49
Speaker 2: the Chin capital, which they had the deal like offered.
49:53
Speaker 2: So like, how about you know, I will welcome you
49:56
Speaker 2: and then we divide up the Chen heartland we'll all
49:59
Speaker 2: be king. Right. But for this before that to happen, though,
50:06
Speaker 2: you know, somebody needs to sit on the throne and
50:09
Speaker 2: he cannot be its just that would work, right, So
50:13
Speaker 2: it was like, okay, let's make Prince Lean the new ruler. Uh.
50:19
Speaker 2: Now there's a lot of debate on original princely and
50:23
Speaker 2: you know, like the the most commonly held view was.
50:26
Speaker 1: That he was because who had his siblings killed? Right?
50:30
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, yes, because common view Zen is who high
50:36
Speaker 2: the former crown prince Fusu's song, right, and but that
50:42
Speaker 2: that seemed unlikely because who had all his brothers and
50:47
Speaker 2: sister killed because he was worried about the threat to
50:51
Speaker 2: his throne. Why would he allowed the the heir of
50:55
Speaker 2: the only the one legitimate cleaning the throne alive, right
51:02
Speaker 2: and and so so a lot of people think Zim
51:05
Speaker 2: might be like a younger brother of the first emperor,
51:09
Speaker 2: so like uncle, to which age wise made more sense,
51:13
Speaker 2: because crown prince, who should die when he was in
51:18
Speaker 2: his early thirties, you know, his his son wouldn't have
51:22
Speaker 2: been more than a teenager at this time. And and
51:27
Speaker 2: as we know that that that's not the case, because
51:29
Speaker 2: Zing had two grown sons. Uh. Because uh, so God
51:38
Speaker 2: first said, okay, we cannot have the emperor title anymore
51:42
Speaker 2: because the empire is no more, but we still we
51:47
Speaker 2: can still be king within the realm of the old
51:51
Speaker 2: Chin state. So you know, we claim that the title
51:56
Speaker 2: of import, that's just going to draw a target on
51:58
Speaker 2: our back. You know, all the other states will want
52:00
Speaker 2: to overthrow us. So so he restored the title of
52:03
Speaker 2: King of Chin, and he mates in the new King
52:07
Speaker 2: of Chin. And and the next step is to have
52:09
Speaker 2: zein to actually uh to attend the crown crowning ceremony.
52:15
Speaker 2: Right to officially enthrone as a king. Now, Zeen had
52:21
Speaker 2: his two sons together. So this is why Zim probably
52:25
Speaker 2: is not the son of Prince Usu, because, like he said,
52:28
Speaker 2: Ushul died in his thirties. Zin would have if he
52:32
Speaker 2: was the son of Fusu, he would only be like
52:34
Speaker 2: fifteen sixteen years old, right, yeah, But but at this
52:37
Speaker 2: time Zin had two grown sons. So he call his
52:40
Speaker 2: two sons together. He's like, look, Saugau is want a
52:44
Speaker 2: puppet to sit on his throne, to be his fall guy,
52:47
Speaker 2: you know, so he can, he can, he can sell
52:51
Speaker 2: me out, uh and and and and and he will
52:54
Speaker 2: probably uses crowning ceremony to to to kill to have
52:59
Speaker 2: me killed. Uh So, so instead Zleen, he pretend he's sick, right,
53:06
Speaker 2: he said, he doesn't want to attend the ceremony. But
53:08
Speaker 2: now now why I needed the ceremony. So he ceremony.
53:15
Speaker 2: So he had to personally go to visit to pay
53:19
Speaker 2: a visit to Leen to convince him to go to
53:23
Speaker 2: the ceremony and be crown the king of Chin and
53:25
Speaker 2: so wow who While tau Gau was in the chamber
53:31
Speaker 2: of bed chamber of Cleen, Leen and his sons had
53:36
Speaker 2: stabbed him and had him killed. And then Seen had
53:39
Speaker 2: had all the entire family of uh Taugau, including his
53:44
Speaker 2: younger brother and he's sung in law, all executed for
53:47
Speaker 2: the crying of treason. So this this now, now Leen
53:54
Speaker 2: became the king of Chin. But but it's a little
53:58
Speaker 2: bit too late. You know, Normally, by all accounts, Len
54:01
Speaker 2: is usually said Uh described as a capable, wise person.
54:05
Speaker 1: But it it's just too late to save the chain,
54:08
Speaker 1: because n has already surrendered, right, the timing was off.
54:12
Speaker 2: Zan Khan has surrendered. The Bang is already you know,
54:16
Speaker 2: at the wall, at the at the gate, at the
54:19
Speaker 2: gate of the capitol. Uh, you know, Leen's you know,
54:23
Speaker 2: he's sent out He tried to send out Uh for
54:27
Speaker 2: mobilize a force to meet the Niobang and they were defeated.
54:32
Speaker 2: And then Zin had no choice but to surrender, to
54:38
Speaker 2: negotiate for a surrender. And this ends the Qin dynasty
54:45
Speaker 2: in this year three o seven BC. And and I
54:51
Speaker 2: think seven yeah, I keep on saying three seven yeah,
54:54
Speaker 2: two seven BC. The Qing dynasty officially ends when the
54:59
Speaker 2: King of Chins, after only like several tens of days
55:03
Speaker 2: on the throne, had to surrender to the army of
55:06
Speaker 2: the Ubang approaching the capital and the But the Qin
55:13
Speaker 2: the legacy of the Qin dynasty, even though it was
55:17
Speaker 2: short lived, is it did give rise to the name
55:22
Speaker 2: of China, at least outside of China. And I think
55:26
Speaker 2: there's the reason for that is because even though the
55:29
Speaker 2: Qing dynasty only lasted like what fifteen years.
55:34
Speaker 1: The chain Empire on the last thirteen, but the state
55:37
Speaker 1: lasted hundreds of years. Lay one from the west, from
55:40
Speaker 1: the west would encounter this state first. Yes, yes, the
55:44
Speaker 1: state of Qin lasted five over five hundred years, right,
55:48
Speaker 1: and it was the west's most Chinese states. So for
55:52
Speaker 1: the people to the west of Chin, for them that
55:56
Speaker 1: is China.
55:56
Speaker 2: Chin is China. So this is why Chin gave its
56:00
Speaker 2: Uh a name. So today in Arabic and Persian Uh,
56:06
Speaker 2: China is still known as Chin. It's still called China Chin.
56:10
Speaker 2: Right so, but but but but here it it ends.
56:15
Speaker 2: You know. The the next time we come back, we
56:22
Speaker 2: will talk about the beginning of a new chapter. Now
56:26
Speaker 2: it's aftermath after the end of the Qin dynasty. Now
56:31
Speaker 2: it's how they divide up the spoils Uh. Because while
56:35
Speaker 2: the Ubang occupies the Chin cap enters the Chin capital
56:39
Speaker 2: with Ratpak rebel forces. There's a much much larger rebel
56:44
Speaker 2: forces that's also approaching under the combined forces Shan and Zanghan,
56:50
Speaker 2: you know, numbering over four hundred thousand men. You know,
56:55
Speaker 2: It's true. Back in the days, the King of two
56:58
Speaker 2: did promise, who ever enters the land of Qin first
57:02
Speaker 2: and whoever overthrows the Qing dynasty first will be made
57:06
Speaker 2: the king of Qing. Right but but but.
57:11
Speaker 1: But but uh after he made that promise, Shan When
57:17
Speaker 1: he made that promise, shan Yi was just one commander
57:20
Speaker 1: among several commanders. And now shan Yi is basically like
57:24
Speaker 1: General Lissimo yea of all of the rebels.
57:27
Speaker 2: Right, so yeah, and and and and also Chiang, you
57:30
Speaker 2: already promised the land of Qin to Zanghan, right hm,
57:35
Speaker 2: and and so so the the the the yeah so
57:39
Speaker 2: so so that's that's what's gonna happen. Uh. The next
57:44
Speaker 2: is going to be the confrontation of the two rebel
57:47
Speaker 2: forces between shang Yu and Ubang, which will uh decide
57:53
Speaker 2: the fate of the country. Any any questions or comments,
57:57
Speaker 2: mm hmm.
57:58
Speaker 1: I guess we will have to see, you know how
58:01
Speaker 1: this uh how it is that the unified Empire gets maintained.
58:06
Speaker 1: There is in the spoiler alert, the Hand dynasty that
58:08
Speaker 1: follows large encompasses and then expands upon the territory of
58:14
Speaker 1: the Chin Empire. But at this time in the story,
58:17
Speaker 1: there is no one claiming. No one is fighting for
58:20
Speaker 1: this imperial title, right everyone, it is all the elite
58:24
Speaker 1: elites from the defeated states have come out of the
58:28
Speaker 1: woodwork trying to restore their own states, and the currents like,
58:33
Speaker 1: right now you have a dominant position of the revived
58:38
Speaker 1: True State, which for a long time was the dominant
58:40
Speaker 1: was the dominant state during the spring and autumn and
58:45
Speaker 1: even the warring state period. Right it was geographically the
58:48
Speaker 1: largest of these contenting states. And it looks like that
58:54
Speaker 1: it's going to become the dominant power again over a
58:59
Speaker 1: kind of you know, federal system of a bunch of
59:02
Speaker 1: subordinate states with the Chin State, you know, cut down
59:05
Speaker 1: the size to some extent. But because of assorted shenanigans
59:09
Speaker 1: that will follow, you know, we'll see, that's not why
59:11
Speaker 1: quite what happens.
59:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, another thing, a prophecy has been fulfilled.
59:18
Speaker 2: You know, there's a famous prophecy by a two divener
59:22
Speaker 2: Uh a duke nine of two who said two Sui
59:27
Speaker 2: san who lang chimpi two? Like even if two has
59:30
Speaker 2: three only fat three families, it will be the state
59:34
Speaker 2: or two that vanquished the chain state. Now it's done
59:38
Speaker 2: because both both Shang You and Yubam nominally are leading
59:43
Speaker 2: the forces of two right, and both of the arts
59:47
Speaker 2: people from from the two from the two state.
59:50
Speaker 1: Uh.
59:50
Speaker 2: You know, the Ubam may have self identified more as
59:53
Speaker 2: a person of the way, but the place that he
59:57
Speaker 2: grew up pay uh as a former true territory. And
1:00:01
Speaker 2: his title pay Gong Uh he is literally a true
1:00:05
Speaker 2: title for for governor. Gong is a true title for governor.
1:00:09
Speaker 2: You know, he's his his title Lord of pay is
1:00:12
Speaker 2: a true title. So he's so he's uh this so
1:00:16
Speaker 2: this is literally the true vanquishing the state a chain,
1:00:20
Speaker 2: as the prophecy had prophesied. Uh, the prophecy has come through,
1:00:25
Speaker 2: and now we by the way. Another thing I forgot
1:00:28
Speaker 2: to mention is that uh, like you know, one of
1:00:34
Speaker 2: the problems with theban early you know that he lost
1:00:39
Speaker 2: his headquarters at Fun. But Fun is a place where
1:00:43
Speaker 2: his brother you know, So Fun and pay are two
1:00:47
Speaker 2: different places, two different cities. Fun is where Thebang was
1:00:52
Speaker 2: born and spent his early childhood. But later he moved
1:00:56
Speaker 2: his family moved to Pay and he spent mostly adulthood
1:01:00
Speaker 2: in Pay. And and you know, people from Pay are
1:01:03
Speaker 2: most of the people who followed him, you know, later
1:01:06
Speaker 2: become hisself, you know, followers, but Fun for some reason,
1:01:11
Speaker 2: the people in Fun didn't see eye to eye with
1:01:14
Speaker 2: him because you know, like when Yung's one of his
1:01:18
Speaker 2: followers defected to the Way Stay, Jubuan couldn't take the
1:01:21
Speaker 2: Fun back, you know after three tries, uh and and
1:01:25
Speaker 2: the reason is because the Fund has been the Way
1:01:29
Speaker 2: territory for the longest time. And the only time that
1:01:34
Speaker 2: Funk was found under true control was when Nilubaum's grandfather
1:01:39
Speaker 2: defected take defected to the True State, and that's where
1:01:43
Speaker 2: he got in fief by the True King as a
1:01:46
Speaker 2: lord of Fun. But but but he lost that land
1:01:50
Speaker 2: and title when the Way Stayed under Lord Shindi took
1:01:54
Speaker 2: that territory back. So so the Lubum's family become commoners.
1:01:59
Speaker 2: So maybe in I and and it makes sense when
1:02:03
Speaker 2: Young got approached by the Way newly reinstored Waste State
1:02:08
Speaker 2: to join them, that he would because the people of
1:02:11
Speaker 2: Funks still identify, you know, as Way subjects and and
1:02:16
Speaker 2: and and and so it's just natural for them to
1:02:19
Speaker 2: go with the Way state rather than go with Nilubang.
1:02:22
Speaker 2: And they probably still remember the Ubang as his grandson
1:02:26
Speaker 2: of the trader, you know, of the trader was their
1:02:29
Speaker 2: their their land to the True State, whereas Nubang enjoy
1:02:33
Speaker 2: a quite different level of support in Pay, you know where.
1:02:37
Speaker 2: It's more like Pay has stayed inside the True territory
1:02:42
Speaker 2: the whole time, right, the local culture, everything is already
1:02:46
Speaker 2: uh uh. You know, both fun and Pay used to
1:02:50
Speaker 2: be part of the Song state, but the Song State
1:02:53
Speaker 2: got dived up between the Way and the True State.
1:02:56
Speaker 2: And and so a lot of the follower of the
1:02:59
Speaker 2: Obang uh there from Pay. And and this is why
1:03:04
Speaker 2: the Han dynasty a lot of fashion. You know, if
1:03:08
Speaker 2: you look at the archaeological diggings from the True royal
1:03:12
Speaker 2: tomb versus you know, the the Han dynasty tomb, they're
1:03:16
Speaker 2: very similar. There's a continuity from like the true fashion
1:03:22
Speaker 2: uh the traditional dress to to the Han dynasty. So anyway,
1:03:27
Speaker 2: so that's that's just throwing out there. Uh, any other questions.
1:03:34
Speaker 1: I suppose since you know, this is just like amusing observation.
1:03:38
Speaker 1: But there was already one like potent, like likely descendant
1:03:45
Speaker 1: of charle royal family who made it big. You know,
1:03:48
Speaker 1: child Talk who was sent by the first emperor to
1:03:51
Speaker 1: become to conquer the Bayev and uh what was later
1:03:55
Speaker 1: North Vietnam. Right, and then he kind of breaks off
1:03:58
Speaker 1: and becomes his own like rulers. I guess it would
1:04:01
Speaker 1: it might be excessive if another child managed to hold
1:04:03
Speaker 1: on to the Chin state through some time some sulla
1:04:07
Speaker 1: as well. So I guess it's only fair that, you know,
1:04:10
Speaker 1: child God does not make it.
1:04:13
Speaker 2: Well. I mean, it's so cool its far Bye is
1:04:15
Speaker 2: so far removed from any kind of dission line. I
1:04:18
Speaker 2: mean there were back in those days, a noble family
1:04:21
Speaker 2: have a lot of kids, right, like after several generations,
1:04:25
Speaker 2: you are like you're just You're just a commander. You know,
1:04:28
Speaker 2: you're not anyone special. It's like the you know, the
1:04:32
Speaker 2: obey he always in three kingdoms. You always tell people,
1:04:35
Speaker 2: you know, I'm descended from Soong san Jingue, you know,
1:04:39
Speaker 2: the king of Zoon sign Uh. But but but if
1:04:42
Speaker 2: you look at when was his ancestor Soon San ching Wo,
1:04:45
Speaker 2: that was like three hundred years ago the words kids
1:04:50
Speaker 2: just like no, that's why he was when he started
1:04:53
Speaker 2: the Three Kingdoms story started, him and his mother were
1:04:58
Speaker 2: relying on making straws sandals to survive, right because because
1:05:04
Speaker 2: his answerstir Don San jing Wang is like also known
1:05:06
Speaker 2: as like the most prolific uh a prince. You know,
1:05:11
Speaker 2: he had like he had like fifty kids or something
1:05:15
Speaker 2: like that. Like so like after three hundred years, you're
1:05:19
Speaker 2: like nobody. Yeah.
1:05:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you didn't manage to inherit the bulk of
1:05:24
Speaker 1: the land, then you eventually, yeah, you would fall into
1:05:27
Speaker 1: like common status.
1:05:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay, well if no more questions, will will wait
1:05:35
Speaker 2: until next week when we returned to for a new
1:05:39
Speaker 2: chapter in the Chinese history series, the rivalry between Nubang
1:05:44
Speaker 2: and Chiang. He officially begins, Uh, you'll okay, let's fall
1:05:48
Speaker 2: to it, and you'll begin with a famous banquet banquet
1:05:53
Speaker 2: homeman homeman and uh you know the homeman. Yeah, now
1:05:58
Speaker 2: became not an idiom, but by It's an expression to
1:06:03
Speaker 2: describe as something. It's like a setup. It's a trap.
1:06:07
Speaker 2: It's a trap.
1:06:10
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny how the In English, the equivalent
1:06:14
Speaker 1: concept is represented by like a fictional story from recent
1:06:19
Speaker 1: like fantasy novel and the TV mostly from this TV
1:06:23
Speaker 1: adaptation of the fantasy novel right red wedding, and but
1:06:28
Speaker 1: in Chinese the same concept is represented by the actual
1:06:32
Speaker 1: event from like two thousand years ago. Now there were
1:06:35
Speaker 1: no red wedding in English. In Game of Thrones is
1:06:37
Speaker 1: based somewhat on events from the like medieval English history,
1:06:41
Speaker 1: but no one knows about that stuff except for like
1:06:43
Speaker 1: the enthusiasts of that period. But it only became becomes
1:06:48
Speaker 1: used in the common language because of a Game of Thrones.
1:06:52
Speaker 1: Really yeah and so yeah, so now English now has
1:06:57
Speaker 1: a concept, has a has an idiom similar or concept
1:07:01
Speaker 1: A few words to represent homan yes, yes.
1:07:04
Speaker 2: Yes, very good. That's a very good confronseration. Okay, thanks
1:07:08
Speaker 2: everyone until next time, Bye bye, by bye