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Hearts & Crafts (Recap of Bachelorette Episode from 7/19) · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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Speaker 1: with i R Radio. It's another episode of the Almost
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Speaker 1: Famous podcast. We're here to break down another episode of
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Speaker 1: Katie Thurston's season with the one and only, the pregnant
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Speaker 1: and beautiful and glowing Ashley I Connettie. Ben really needs
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Speaker 1: to stop doing this, guys. It's like kind of cruel.
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Speaker 1: Why you are no, I'm smelly. I can't smell you.
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm so far away from you right now. I'm
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Speaker 1: so pimply like, oh my god. Like it was almost
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Speaker 1: as if throughout the week I developed a rash. That's
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Speaker 1: how bad. My forehead is broken out. And my forehead
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Speaker 1: never breaks out anyway. You should be counting your lucky
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Speaker 1: stars for not being able to smell me right now. Um, Ben,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about um well, well, well let's talk about
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Speaker 1: you for a second, because we did a whole episode
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Speaker 1: talking about me. We have a party coming up. It's
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Speaker 1: a virtual event in Napa to celebrate your engagement, which
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Speaker 1: has been you know, you've been engaged for a little bit, Um,
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Speaker 1: but we're doing an official I Heart engagement party and
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Speaker 1: it's going to be on July from five to six,
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Speaker 1: specific time, and you guys can get tickets for it
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Speaker 1: at looped live dot com and it's l O p
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Speaker 1: e d live dot com. Um, and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: be on the podcast. Jared's gonna be on the podcast,
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Speaker 1: Nick Dean, Kaylin Wells. We're all toastined to Ben and
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Speaker 1: Jess and the party will be benefiting Humanity and Hope United,
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Speaker 1: that foundation that Ben works very closely with. UM, so
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Speaker 1: we're excited to do that. But then, UM, what part
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Speaker 1: are you a part of engagement? Are you in now?
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Speaker 1: Because last time we talked about your wedding planning, you
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Speaker 1: were like just as in charge of wedding planning and
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Speaker 1: I have picked out nothing. So how is it now?
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Speaker 1: I'm more involved than I was back then. Like now
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Speaker 1: it's kind of getting to like crunch time, so it's
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Speaker 1: groomsmen suits, and like I was in I'm kind of
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Speaker 1: semi in charge of like the liquor sponsor or liquor.
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Speaker 1: I guess finding that if I can find a sponsor,
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Speaker 1: that'd be great. Um, and uh, coordination of the like
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Speaker 1: rehearsal and and like, so my involvement has increased. Here
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Speaker 1: is the phase of engagement. I'm just really excited to
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Speaker 1: marry her, and I really I do think I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: miss the engagement side of this because it feels exciting.
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Speaker 1: Everybody is like like super congratulatory towards it. Um. You know,
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Speaker 1: not that that will change when you get married, but
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Speaker 1: like obviously, like it does change the dynamic of how
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Speaker 1: people like celebrate you. Like it's not like you've been
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Speaker 1: married for five years and people are just walking in
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Speaker 1: the street like, oh cool, you're married. It's like changes
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Speaker 1: a bit um. But I'm just I'm I'm very at peace.
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Speaker 1: I'm just like vary at peace now and more just
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Speaker 1: ready to get it going because I do feel like
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Speaker 1: the details of this have been more and I expected
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Speaker 1: for everybody involved, from my mom to her mom to Jess.
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Speaker 1: It's just it's so the wedding is gonna be great,
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Speaker 1: and I am really excited for it. You guys have
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Speaker 1: a wedding planner, right, We do have a wedding planner um,
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Speaker 1: and that's been really helpful, I think, from especially on
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Speaker 1: like the Jess and her mom's side, I think just
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Speaker 1: keeping things organized and keeping things moving and helping connect
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Speaker 1: the pieces and the dots, I think, especially because it
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Speaker 1: is a bigger wedding and uh, and I'm very thankful
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Speaker 1: for that, and that's something that we wanted to do.
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Speaker 1: I think it's important to have somebody helping if you can,
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Speaker 1: um along the way. But this and this engagement celebration
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Speaker 1: is really cool because we haven't really like done that
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Speaker 1: yet and I am I am excited to especially for Jess.
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Speaker 1: Like I get to talk about my engagement all the
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Speaker 1: time because I'm always on interviews, I'm always on this uh.
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Speaker 1: And I think Jesse, you know, she works really hard
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Speaker 1: and I'm sure at the office people ask her, but
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Speaker 1: she is an esthetician and I think it's similar bedside
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Speaker 1: managers to like being a musseused, where like once you
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Speaker 1: get asked the first question, you really don't want to
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Speaker 1: talk to the person the whole time they're getting a facial.
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Speaker 1: And so I'm excited for her to celebrate this. I'm
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Speaker 1: excited to be in NAPA with her. It's actually where
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Speaker 1: she wanted to do her bachelor party and it just
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Speaker 1: ended up being too expensive for like everybody involved. And
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Speaker 1: so it's gonna be good that we get to do
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Speaker 1: this UM and go out there and kind of celebrate it.
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Speaker 1: But super pumped to be there I hope all of
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Speaker 1: you listening can join us and just like have a
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Speaker 1: night of toasting up to love and to all of
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Speaker 1: our loves and all of our lives. What's like the
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Speaker 1: theme of your wedding? Like, what's the vibe? Uh? I
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Speaker 1: don't know if we have a theme, but what we're
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Speaker 1: going for. But what do you think our theme was?
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Speaker 1: It was like, I'd say, it's like Disney like fairy
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Speaker 1: tale kind of. Ours was like very like, I guess beauty,
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Speaker 1: that's kind of what I yeah, yeah, and you pulled
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Speaker 1: it off ours. What I really want with ours is
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Speaker 1: I want people to leave going. I'm really glad I
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Speaker 1: came because I know Jessica and I are going to
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Speaker 1: be so thankful that we have a wedding and that
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Speaker 1: people are there. That that's gonna Like when we talked
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Speaker 1: about it at the beginning, it was like, we just
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Speaker 1: want people to leave this going. We're so glad we're
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Speaker 1: here at this. And so it's very much set up
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Speaker 1: for like a celebration, a party, um with a really
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Speaker 1: nice ceremony, and so our theme is it's just partying down.
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Speaker 1: I think that's it, I think, and just celebrating life
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Speaker 1: and hopefully we still get to um, you know, Novembers
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Speaker 1: a little bit away. We'll see how the world change. Me. Well,
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Speaker 1: things are, things are changing quickly, and we're we're holding
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Speaker 1: on um and we're gonna keep plugging away until until
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Speaker 1: we know for certain. But that's a plan. It's a party.
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Speaker 1: We're pumped to have it. We're pumped to be there. Uh, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: we have a big podcast now. The last couple of weeks,
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Speaker 1: we've gone kind of I feel like on this roller
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Speaker 1: coaster ride through this season. Right, We've enjoyed um, the contestants.
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Speaker 1: We've really enjoyed watching Katie. Uh, We've We've liked this
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Speaker 1: season for a lot of reasons. I do though, and
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Speaker 1: I don't want to just make this a bash podcast
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Speaker 1: because it's not. I do feel like the last two episodes,
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Speaker 1: this one in the week before, I felt a little
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Speaker 1: short of the rest of the season. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: we talked about it to Lank class week. You don't
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Speaker 1: have to dive into it, but like the whole like
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Speaker 1: uh no woo wooing thing was weird. It didn't really
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Speaker 1: even get brought up this week, which was even otter
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Speaker 1: like it was a thing last week. She asked him
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Speaker 1: to do it for two weeks, but this week it
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Speaker 1: wasn't even talked about. It's kind of like just disappeared.
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Speaker 1: I still don't know what the whole thing was about
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Speaker 1: this episode. We talked a little bit before you felt
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Speaker 1: disconnected from the contestants this episode, and you felt like
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Speaker 1: the connections that we were seeing build weren't as strong
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Speaker 1: this week. I felt the same way. I think we
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Speaker 1: shall discuss this in depth after take a break. Okay,
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Speaker 1: so bad. I felt like, and I want to say,
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Speaker 1: no chemistry, but I think this is like the week
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Speaker 1: where you're supposed to be like feeling fireworks, right, you
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Speaker 1: get really excited, you like start feeling like your heart
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Speaker 1: swell and stuff when you're watching scenes. And I know
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Speaker 1: I was supposed to start feeling I know I was
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Speaker 1: supposed to feel that with Greg and Katie on that
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Speaker 1: one on one, and I didn't feel it. I didn't
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Speaker 1: feel it. Maybe I felt it first split second during
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Speaker 1: their like kissing in the rain. What do you think
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Speaker 1: that means? Because I agree with you, I am agreeing
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Speaker 1: with you that when he got invited on the one
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Speaker 1: on one, I thought this is gonna just move him
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Speaker 1: so far beyond the pack that it's going to be
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Speaker 1: so obvious that he's the one at the end. But
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Speaker 1: it felt I mean, at least, let's talk about the
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Speaker 1: first part of the date. It felt very awkward. Maybe
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Speaker 1: they're both nervous. Maybe that felt like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 1: you're the guy I had feelings for, You're the girl
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Speaker 1: I had feeling for for. We haven't to one on
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Speaker 1: one in weeks. This kind of feels like weird, um,
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Speaker 1: but it it did feel disconnected. It did feel like
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Speaker 1: they didn't have the fireworks that we were I was
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Speaker 1: expecting watching the date. I feel like we were supposed
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Speaker 1: to feel it though, like they wanted us to feel it,
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Speaker 1: but we just couldn't you think, okay, you think the
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Speaker 1: storyline of this date, like when when people watched it
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Speaker 1: and put it on air, they said, this is like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: there's an obvious chemistry here. Are we missing it? Actually?
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Speaker 1: Like our maybe we should throw it through listeners, listeners, messages, emails.
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Speaker 1: Did you miss the chemistry here? Because we did? Actually?
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Speaker 1: Are we on? Like? Are we just too crazy? Is here?
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Speaker 1: I don't know? Maybe I felt like nothing. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I and and to even lead up to this date
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is a strong move for Katie to
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Speaker 1: have Greg on this date, especially the first one on
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Speaker 1: one of the episode, because they always do that though,
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Speaker 1: they always leave one guy out of having a one
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Speaker 1: on one, and they always give the one that like
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Speaker 1: you think should have gone to the guy who never
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Speaker 1: had a one on one to the quote front runner, sure,
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Speaker 1: and I don't and I just like to feel like
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Speaker 1: he's not a front runner anymore. But like I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Sorry I keep saying I don't know, but that's a
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Speaker 1: big statement that you're making, that you feel like Greg
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Speaker 1: isn't a front runner. But we have to We have
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Speaker 1: two guys sitting there going, hey, we've never had a
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Speaker 1: one on one, and I know that the show historically
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Speaker 1: has done this, but it has to be defeating right
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Speaker 1: for the two people. Even if one gets invited onto
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Speaker 1: one on one, you know later that afternoon or the
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Speaker 1: next day. I don't know how the timeline of that
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Speaker 1: plays out. It still has to be kind of like
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Speaker 1: just like wind at like completely like away from your
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Speaker 1: sales when you hear the name of somebody's already had
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Speaker 1: one and you're pretty much being told I don't want
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Speaker 1: to spend time with you right now. Yeah, I know
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Speaker 1: it is. I kind of was there because when on
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Speaker 1: Chris Souls this season, Kelsey and I were the only
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Speaker 1: ones who had not had one on ones and then
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Speaker 1: we went on the two on one. Yeah, and and
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Speaker 1: and I mean even a two on one, I think
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Speaker 1: feels like it's more intimate than you have more of
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Speaker 1: a shot than just being rejected for the other one
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Speaker 1: on one. I totally great, right, I mean I do
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Speaker 1: feel like it's more of a more of a statement
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Speaker 1: to have the two on one right away. Now, do
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Speaker 1: you think they were tired that because if we haven't
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Speaker 1: had it for a couple of seasons now, Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: don't know. I think I love the two on one.
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Speaker 1: I thought it was controversial. I thought it always built
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Speaker 1: some drama. I thought it was always kept you on
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Speaker 1: the uh you know, the edge of your seat. I
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Speaker 1: mean during my season when I had the two on one,
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Speaker 1: not only was it one of the dates I looked
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Speaker 1: forward to the least, I do feel like though it
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Speaker 1: was one of the most talked about dates still to
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Speaker 1: this day. Yeah, with Ferguson and uh, the one you
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Speaker 1: had Okay held, I was like, were you on a No,
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Speaker 1: it's just I mean, so for the lead, it's super uncomfortable,
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Speaker 1: and so you have that that's pretty good TV because
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Speaker 1: anytime the lead feels uncomfortable, it's enjoyable to watch, I think.
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Speaker 1: And then you know every season, I mean I could
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Speaker 1: go back in time and five for the last six seasons,
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Speaker 1: and I can't remember a lot from shows. I can
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Speaker 1: tell you who's been invited on two and once just
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Speaker 1: because that episode is so intense. Yeah, so weird, so
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Speaker 1: weird that they haven't had that. Um but I guess, like,
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Speaker 1: is there anything else left to talk about with about
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Speaker 1: with Greg because that's the first one on one day
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Speaker 1: and I just felt like not much from it. Well,
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Speaker 1: you did mention that we have to give it credits,
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Speaker 1: we have to point it out. You did feel like
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Speaker 1: at the end maybe some fireworks with the kissing at
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Speaker 1: the end kind of maybe made you feel something, so
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Speaker 1: it wasn't completely lost where the episode where the date
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Speaker 1: ended and you're like, oh, yeah, there's nothing here, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: especially from her, like you could see the passion and
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Speaker 1: when she's like on top of him, when he's picking
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Speaker 1: her up, kissing her, she's she's really kissing him, She's
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Speaker 1: really going in I mean, and she wants to. I mean,
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Speaker 1: at this point, she's had a hard week before. She
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Speaker 1: probably sees Greg as comfortable to her because she does
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Speaker 1: know she's into him. She does know that he stayed
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Speaker 1: out of a lot of the drama. She's kind of
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Speaker 1: been into him since the beginning, and so I'm sure
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Speaker 1: she was wanting to feel this, uh in every way,
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Speaker 1: just to kind of give her a reminder, Yes, she
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Speaker 1: still is into somebody here. Well, we flashed from Greg
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Speaker 1: to a group date, uh where Brendan is invited on
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Speaker 1: and he's not happy about it. Ashley. I feel for
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Speaker 1: the guy. We've wondered why he's here still to this
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Speaker 1: day because nobody knows his name. He hasn't been shown.
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Speaker 1: But I think he did the right move here. I
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Speaker 1: agree with what he did where he went down to
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Speaker 1: talk to Katie one on one to say what in
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Speaker 1: the world's happening? Yeah, I don't have much to elaborate on.
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Speaker 1: I think it was the best move because I think
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Speaker 1: he was going to go into it feeling so much
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Speaker 1: like the underdog that like, his confidence wouldn't have been up,
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Speaker 1: and you're he probably wouldn't have had the time that
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Speaker 1: it would take to win her over, and I like
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Speaker 1: the way he came across when he went upstairs to
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Speaker 1: kind of like all right, I'm just ready to rip
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Speaker 1: the band aid off. Yeah, I mean, it's it's. It
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Speaker 1: probably was a hard decision for him because I think
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Speaker 1: he probably knew where it was ending, right, I mean,
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Speaker 1: he knew that that was his last to rah with Katie.
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Speaker 1: But it makes sense we haven't seen any chemistry. Maybe
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Speaker 1: they've had it without us being able to watch it,
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Speaker 1: but even when they sat down to talk, I think
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Speaker 1: Katie like has enjoyed Brendan. I think she respects Brendan,
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Speaker 1: but I don't think there was much romantic feeling for
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Speaker 1: Brendan there. Yeah, I agree. So he gets sent home,
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Speaker 1: which really puts the pressure on the guys who are left.
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Speaker 1: You're like, oh man, you're just when it comes down
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Speaker 1: to like numbers that like you could so easily count
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Speaker 1: and get scarier. Um, okay. So we go on the
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Speaker 1: group date. So it's Andrew, Michael, Justin, and Blake and
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Speaker 1: they are going they go to an art exhibit in
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Speaker 1: which the flower art looks kind of like maybe maybe
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Speaker 1: it looks like female intimate areas, and they they brush
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Speaker 1: over that subject, and then they tell them that they
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Speaker 1: need to go and create art that describes like what
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Speaker 1: the beauty and love is that they have for for Katie.
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Speaker 1: And it's just a very very weird time because there
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Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of instruction direction that guys like create
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Speaker 1: like like Michael creates like the back of a body,
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Speaker 1: and then Lake does a black picture and he's like
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Speaker 1: pretending that means something about sex, and then Andrew draws sushi?
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Speaker 1: Was there anything beyond the foodie love between them for that?
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Speaker 1: And then lastly, uh, Justin did like a trail of
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Speaker 1: their story thus far with a rose in the middle. Ben,
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Speaker 1: what were you thinking during this daytime portion of the
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Speaker 1: group date. I have a lot of thoughts, uh. One
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Speaker 1: of them is, you know, I do think this could
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Speaker 1: have been a beautiful moment because art, you know, you
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Speaker 1: can't really define it right if you just give them
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Speaker 1: the like, think, hey, what is the love of the
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Speaker 1: connection for you and Katie look like in your mind? Right?
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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair like way to start out
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Speaker 1: when people go and paint and and and create. I do, though,
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Speaker 1: feel like it to immediately think of sex feels a
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Speaker 1: little bit odd. You mean, like what how Blake took
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Speaker 1: it or how everybody took everything. Oh, I think how
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Speaker 1: Blake took it mostly is in my mind. It's like
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Speaker 1: when you think of your connection with Katie and your
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Speaker 1: immediate mind goes to, Okay, yes she is beautiful, Yes
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Speaker 1: there is a physical like intimacy there. It just feels
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Speaker 1: weird for that to be how you would express your
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Speaker 1: love for Katie or your care for me. Don't you
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Speaker 1: feel like this is just you and I just having
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Speaker 1: a little bit of a distaste every week for Blake's decisions. Well,
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Speaker 1: I do think it's well so far, there isn't a
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Speaker 1: lot I like in like super like down with uh.
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Speaker 1: And I do think it's a moment though, that could
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Speaker 1: have made Katie feel super special. I mean, if you're
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Speaker 1: if you're getting asked to do something and this can
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Speaker 1: make the person that you're expressing your care your love
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Speaker 1: for just like feel incredible. That's something I would take
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Speaker 1: pretty serious, especially if I was into that person. Like
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Speaker 1: that's a cool moment, right. I Mean That's why I'm
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Speaker 1: questioning like all the artwork that was created, because I
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Speaker 1: think it could be so easy. That was a task
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Speaker 1: that like you could interpret so many different ways because
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Speaker 1: there was a lack of direction and you can like
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Speaker 1: create whatever you want and it could be like really
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Speaker 1: pretty and it just could be like symbolic. But I
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Speaker 1: honestly seem it seemed like a simple task and they
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Speaker 1: way overthought it. Yeah, I mean some kind of went
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Speaker 1: with the humor of it, like the sushi side. Um,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe like Justin did like pull deep there,
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Speaker 1: uh and and pull out some things that were meaningful
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Speaker 1: to him. I just felt like all of them missed
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Speaker 1: at some level where Katie could have walked away from
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Speaker 1: this date being like, holy moly, like these guys went
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Speaker 1: above and beyond to make me feel special and like
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Speaker 1: for that, I am so thankful. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: she necessarily had that response from this date, or at
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Speaker 1: least if I was in her shoes and I asked
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people, hey, paint paint something that represents
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Speaker 1: our connection, and this is what was painted, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I would be feeling much for it, Like,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would maybe maybe maybe I'm
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Speaker 1: missing it, but I don't think I would. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean I would have preferred just time more time with
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Speaker 1: them at the cocktail party, so at the cocktail party,
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Speaker 1: Katie talks about um. She talks to Michael about how
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Speaker 1: she's like envisioning her life in Ohio with his child,
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Speaker 1: and she says, every time I give you a rose,
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Speaker 1: I'm also giving him a rose. And I mean, like
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Speaker 1: that is a lot. That's that's that means she's like
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Speaker 1: really considering him. I I love Michael, I want him
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Speaker 1: to be the next Bachelor, but I'm also like not
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Speaker 1: feeling like there's like this insane like this is like
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Speaker 1: the future mother of his stepmother of his child. I see.
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Speaker 1: I feel like Michael is my front runner now this week,
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Speaker 1: I do. I I think, with Andrew obviously leaving h
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Speaker 1: the Greg date not going incredibly well, at least from
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Speaker 1: my opinion. I don't know if Katie or Greg would
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Speaker 1: say that, Uh, I feel like Michael is my front runner.
19:16
Speaker 1: Michael is my front runner. As far as like who's
19:18
Speaker 1: my favorite, I don't know if it's like the favorite
19:22
Speaker 1: for Katie. I still think Blake is a front runner.
19:26
Speaker 1: So interesting it is. I mean it wouldn't shock me
19:29
Speaker 1: at this point. Maybe a few weeks ago when you
19:31
Speaker 1: said that, I was a little bit thrown off and shocked,
19:34
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't shock me. I still don't just feel like,
19:38
Speaker 1: out of all these guys, uh, Michael to me report
19:41
Speaker 1: if she's saying every week, hey, I'm here believing my
19:44
Speaker 1: husband's in this room. I look at Michael like that's
19:47
Speaker 1: a guy i'd want to date my sister. Yeah, I
19:49
Speaker 1: mean he's a husband and material he's been a husband.
19:52
Speaker 1: So that's why I lean on that. I mean, Justin
19:55
Speaker 1: is obviously still there, and Justin seems we're gonna know
19:58
Speaker 1: more about Justin as the weeks go on. But but
20:01
Speaker 1: Michael still stands out to me in that and I'm
20:03
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna put my stake in the ground with
20:05
Speaker 1: on Michael until I feel like that needs a change,
20:08
Speaker 1: because I just I think he would be great for Katie.
20:11
Speaker 1: I think Katie would be great for him. But there
20:14
Speaker 1: is that, I mean, that's a huge statement for her
20:16
Speaker 1: that every week she's considering his child in the mix
20:18
Speaker 1: of this. That's not I mean coming from a place
20:22
Speaker 1: where you know, Amanda stand was on my season, Like
20:24
Speaker 1: you do think about that and that adds some weight
20:27
Speaker 1: to it. And as long as she's keeping him around,
20:30
Speaker 1: you know that she is very interested. Do you think
20:34
Speaker 1: we meet the child next week for Hometowns. Yes, yeah,
20:37
Speaker 1: I think there's no way that doesn't happen. I mean,
20:39
Speaker 1: it's been such a storyline. We see him facetiming as
20:42
Speaker 1: child this week in the episode. I think if if
20:45
Speaker 1: his son wouldn't show up, I just feel like the
20:49
Speaker 1: audience would be so confused. We don't really have a
20:53
Speaker 1: scene to the next episode at the end of this,
20:54
Speaker 1: which is interesting. It is interesting. Well the group date
21:00
Speaker 1: as goes to Michael. That's a that's a big deal,
21:02
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is a big deal. Oh you know
21:04
Speaker 1: what else happened at that nighttime portion? Blake said, I'm
21:07
Speaker 1: not falling in love. I'm not in love with you yet.
21:10
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I didn't hate it either, I
21:12
Speaker 1: don't hate I liked that. It was very honest. It's honest.
21:16
Speaker 1: I mean he's still around, you know. So he's not
21:18
Speaker 1: like saying, hey, I don't I'm not in love with
21:20
Speaker 1: you and uh I as a result, like I want
21:24
Speaker 1: to go. No, he's saying, I'm still very interested. I
21:26
Speaker 1: still want to be here, and he hasn't been there
21:28
Speaker 1: that long. So I like the honesty because at least
21:32
Speaker 1: she knows where he's at. And that's all you want
21:35
Speaker 1: in relationships is just for each partner to be honest
21:37
Speaker 1: with each other and then you figure it out. You know.
21:40
Speaker 1: I don't hate it. I don't. I think it was
21:42
Speaker 1: played up in scenes, it was so played up, but
21:45
Speaker 1: it went over fine. Yeah. I think she understands, like, yeah,
21:49
Speaker 1: she's like, I'm not in love with you yet either. Yeah,
21:52
Speaker 1: we got that's what she's saying. Yeah, we got some
21:54
Speaker 1: time to make up for. And it doesn't mean there's
21:58
Speaker 1: still Here's a crazy thing we talked about every season, Ashley,
22:03
Speaker 1: but this is the wild thing to think about. Okay.
22:06
Speaker 1: And I don't know if the timeline has changed at all,
22:09
Speaker 1: uh with this new structure of being in one one place.
22:12
Speaker 1: But as soon as like hometown Week starts, you're only
22:16
Speaker 1: halfway through the show when it comes to filming. Isn't
22:20
Speaker 1: that wacky? I mean I know that as a fact,
22:22
Speaker 1: but it just you would never think that. But I
22:25
Speaker 1: think with this new setup not maybe not so much,
22:28
Speaker 1: because I think usually it's like you travel, travel, travel, travel,
22:32
Speaker 1: and the travel time is taking up a lot of
22:34
Speaker 1: that time. Yeah, and this setup you probably are bouncing
22:39
Speaker 1: a little bit faster. But typically and I still think
22:43
Speaker 1: I would still believe that there they have at least
22:46
Speaker 1: four three or four weeks left of filming, I hope,
22:51
Speaker 1: so after this episode, So there, and there's a lot
22:54
Speaker 1: more one on one time there. There's a lot more
22:56
Speaker 1: time to be like intimate and conversation and be loan.
23:01
Speaker 1: So there is time for Blake still uh to figure
23:05
Speaker 1: out what it is he wants and what Katie wants
23:07
Speaker 1: with Blake. But there's just that's the point I want
23:10
Speaker 1: to like drive in is for anybody watching this and
23:13
Speaker 1: they're going there's only a few weeks left, yes, but
23:15
Speaker 1: there's only been a few weeks leading up to this too,
23:17
Speaker 1: Like there, this is really where things get serious is
23:21
Speaker 1: starting with Hometowns moving into overnights and then the final
23:25
Speaker 1: uh couple of men left for the last two episodes.
23:28
Speaker 1: That's where things get get intense. Well, uh Ash walks
23:33
Speaker 1: through the end of the episode because a little bit
23:36
Speaker 1: of a shocker. I think, um on how it ended. Well,
23:40
Speaker 1: first way to talk about Mike P's day, which I
23:42
Speaker 1: think we all went into Mike pc D knowing that
23:44
Speaker 1: he was going to get eliminated, Like there was no
23:45
Speaker 1: way he was going to make it to Hometowns but like,
23:48
Speaker 1: how much do you love Mike? Be Like, how sweet
23:50
Speaker 1: and wonderful and what a great husband is he gonna
23:53
Speaker 1: make one day? He? Uh he has he hasn't, Just
23:56
Speaker 1: like a really good heart. And you can tell the
23:58
Speaker 1: way that he cared about the experience, he cares about Katie.
24:03
Speaker 1: Uh that. Yeah, I think he's gonna make a great husband.
24:07
Speaker 1: And I think this experience. I'm interested at some point
24:11
Speaker 1: to get the interview Mike, because I'm imagining I don't
24:13
Speaker 1: want to put words in it saying it was a
24:15
Speaker 1: little bit overwhelming at times because it was so new
24:19
Speaker 1: to him in every way, uh that. But but he
24:22
Speaker 1: handled it really well, and I think he was an
24:25
Speaker 1: interesting character to follow from start to finish. I didn't
24:28
Speaker 1: think he make it this far, not based on anything
24:30
Speaker 1: about him, but just kind of how he approached you know,
24:36
Speaker 1: physical intimacy, how he approached his relationship with Katie. But
24:40
Speaker 1: like Katie and him found something and it lasted quite
24:42
Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, And I like that that happened. I
24:47
Speaker 1: like that they have like such mutual respect for each other.
24:51
Speaker 1: And I love the way that he handled the breakup.
24:54
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of guys handled breakups
24:56
Speaker 1: well on the show, but like he just had such
24:59
Speaker 1: grace about it, and he just I think he was
25:02
Speaker 1: just really thinking about Katie first and foremost and not himself.
25:06
Speaker 1: He wanted didn't hurt, to do what was best for her. Yeah,
25:09
Speaker 1: I mean, I really I really left that scene hoping
25:12
Speaker 1: that he's in Paradise, But I don't. I don't know
25:14
Speaker 1: about that. Maybe next week we'll get that announcement, because
25:16
Speaker 1: we did get and we'll talk about this on Hot Topics.
25:18
Speaker 1: But we've got some more guys from Katie season that
25:20
Speaker 1: we're announced for Paradise, and he's not in that list,
25:22
Speaker 1: but I guess he wouldn't be until after tonight. I
25:25
Speaker 1: hope he is. I hope he is. I I like
25:27
Speaker 1: that guy. Um. And you know, we've seen characters in
25:31
Speaker 1: the past. Uh here, here's a good comparison that I'm
25:36
Speaker 1: gonna make. We've seen characters come on to the Bachelorette
25:40
Speaker 1: or Bachelor in the past and kind of use their
25:44
Speaker 1: faith as a weapon, um, and and their moral like
25:49
Speaker 1: stances as a weapon to bring shame or gilt or
25:53
Speaker 1: to kind of put them in a like on a
25:55
Speaker 1: pedestal in this experience. And Mike p never did that.
26:00
Speaker 1: And I have to say, like that won't get talked
26:02
Speaker 1: about a lot because we only talk about the drama,
26:04
Speaker 1: and we only talked about the people that cause controversy
26:07
Speaker 1: and that. But like Mike P, I told everybody kind
26:11
Speaker 1: of where he stands, especially when it comes to sex
26:13
Speaker 1: and where it comes to his faith, and then he
26:16
Speaker 1: played it out and he lived it out without using
26:18
Speaker 1: as a weapon against everybody else or Katie and I
26:21
Speaker 1: think that it's like it has to be talked about
26:24
Speaker 1: because it has to be celebrated at some level because
26:27
Speaker 1: other people haven't done that in the past, the extreme
26:30
Speaker 1: opposite of Luke p extreme opposite. I also like the
26:35
Speaker 1: fact that they didn't feel like he was virginity was
26:37
Speaker 1: like exploited in anyway. It was like, hey, here it is,
26:40
Speaker 1: this is me. Um. It was just very well embraced
26:43
Speaker 1: in every way. And I really like that. Um. Okay,
26:46
Speaker 1: So then let's get to that shocking spin of things.
26:49
Speaker 1: At the end, I was watching the Rose ceremony, lying
26:52
Speaker 1: here gross and being like okay, okay, and then I
26:56
Speaker 1: call it, you know, like I'm like, okay, you're gonna
26:59
Speaker 1: give him the first I you Blake was gonna get
27:00
Speaker 1: the first Rose at the ceremony and then I was like,
27:03
Speaker 1: and then he's gonna get the room. And then I
27:05
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, so now it's going to be It's
27:10
Speaker 1: gonna be Andrew, you know, like I called it in
27:13
Speaker 1: my head. I was like Andrew. I could like see
27:15
Speaker 1: her saying it. And then she said Justin, and I
27:18
Speaker 1: was like, shocker. That was so crazy. And as the
27:25
Speaker 1: episode unfolds and you see he can come back to
27:31
Speaker 1: her room and then have that talk and then her
27:34
Speaker 1: run after him, You're just like, Okay, and again, why
27:38
Speaker 1: did you pick Justin? Because this entire season we felt
27:42
Speaker 1: more between her and Andrew, and he's had way more airtime,
27:46
Speaker 1: and Justin just seems so random. It wasn't until last
27:50
Speaker 1: week that we really got to like know Justin at all.
27:54
Speaker 1: So it's just weird. Why is that? Like? Why did
27:58
Speaker 1: we watch this whole season feeling like Okay? Andrew for
28:01
Speaker 1: me has always been top three. He's always been a
28:04
Speaker 1: steady force in Katie's like experience here and then all,
28:09
Speaker 1: I mean, did their relationship just fade that quick? I
28:12
Speaker 1: mean Justin, yes, we saw one on one with him,
28:15
Speaker 1: there was there was something there. But if you would
28:18
Speaker 1: have asked me last week it wasn't anywhere close to
28:21
Speaker 1: Andrew's connection with her, Like, why is this the story
28:25
Speaker 1: that now we have to figure out? Is that, like
28:26
Speaker 1: Andrew's gone. I can only think that it's one of
28:30
Speaker 1: those situations where she like, she likes Andrew Moore. This
28:33
Speaker 1: happens all the time, guys on the show. She likes
28:36
Speaker 1: Andrew Moore, but she still knows in the end that
28:38
Speaker 1: she's not gonna pick Andrew, so she'd rather not put
28:42
Speaker 1: him through the family situation and drag him on, lead
28:48
Speaker 1: him on. Makes sense, but like, could you believe that
28:52
Speaker 1: he gives her the note It says I'll still be
28:55
Speaker 1: waiting for you if you change your mind or something
28:57
Speaker 1: like that, and then she goes and runs after him.
29:00
Speaker 1: The look on his face when he sees her one
29:04
Speaker 1: thousand percent reads, oh my god, she changed her mind.
29:08
Speaker 1: She's coming back for me. And then she's just like,
29:10
Speaker 1: I just wanted one more hug. I'm like, oh my god,
29:13
Speaker 1: now you're really leading this poor guy on. Yeah, he's crushed.
29:17
Speaker 1: Yeah that is tough. I didn't think about that, but
29:21
Speaker 1: I have probably been best just to read the note
29:23
Speaker 1: and put it aside, right and go with this. She sucks. Yeah,
29:26
Speaker 1: he did get excited again. Yeah, I mean she did
29:29
Speaker 1: ask him like, what would you say if you could
29:32
Speaker 1: stay around a little bit longer? And I think his
29:34
Speaker 1: decision to the go was appropriate because it's like, you
29:38
Speaker 1: already picked somebody over me, Like, I don't want to
29:40
Speaker 1: just go through the breakup again. Yeah. I imagine this
29:45
Speaker 1: one was hard on Katie because she probably doesn't have
29:50
Speaker 1: a ton of clarity on why she made that decision
29:53
Speaker 1: outside of hey, I just don't see him as my husband. Yeah. Uh.
29:57
Speaker 1: But then again, Ashley, and you've I've known enough leads.
30:01
Speaker 1: Do you believe that she's looking at the final four
30:04
Speaker 1: here going each one of these guys could be my husband? Like,
30:07
Speaker 1: do you think she's looking at Justin? Saying that? Do
30:09
Speaker 1: you think she's looking at Greg and Blake and Michael
30:11
Speaker 1: like going each So that's why I get confused if
30:15
Speaker 1: that was her basis, she just knew that Andrew wasn't it.
30:18
Speaker 1: Maybe that was a difference, maybe, I mean, but I
30:21
Speaker 1: think she knows that Justin is not it too. She
30:23
Speaker 1: did say during the group day that she feels like
30:25
Speaker 1: she could be one herself with him, but I don't know,
30:30
Speaker 1: there's just no way. We would never We've never known
30:32
Speaker 1: somebody so little throughout a season and then like that
30:35
Speaker 1: end up being them. Um, anything else to dissect, There
30:42
Speaker 1: is one little part for me. During the scenes to
30:45
Speaker 1: the next episode, she alludes to the guy being gone,
30:49
Speaker 1: like he left, and like, I've sense that this is coming,
30:52
Speaker 1: that there's somebody who leaves, and I still think it's
30:54
Speaker 1: gonna be Michael, because I think he has a conversation
30:57
Speaker 1: with his kid again and it's just he just can't
31:00
Speaker 1: do it. It would be it would be hard for
31:05
Speaker 1: for everybody, I think, for Katie, for the viewers, if
31:08
Speaker 1: that's how Michael exited. But he's held on and I
31:12
Speaker 1: know it can't be easy for him, but he's held
31:15
Speaker 1: on this long. I would be surprised if he couldn't
31:18
Speaker 1: hold on now to the end. That would be, you know,
31:21
Speaker 1: that would be the only thing would be he's been
31:23
Speaker 1: around this long, he sees the lights end of the tunnel.
31:26
Speaker 1: He still believes and I still believe. I think all
31:28
Speaker 1: of us still believe that he's a front runner here.
31:32
Speaker 1: Unless he just gets clarity and says, yeah, this isn't it.
31:35
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he leaves. But uh, we're gonna
31:39
Speaker 1: be keeping watch over the next week and then I'm
31:43
Speaker 1: gonna continue to dissect the sneak peek. But I feel
31:47
Speaker 1: like the more I dissect the sneak peaks Ash, the
31:51
Speaker 1: farther and farther I get from the truth. I don't
31:53
Speaker 1: think I've seen a sneak peak and going, oh, this
31:55
Speaker 1: is how it's gonna play out, and then that's how
31:56
Speaker 1: it happens. I just you know what I'm thinking of
31:59
Speaker 1: what normally in the sneak peak, don't we see like
32:02
Speaker 1: them walking to like the altar, the final ceremony with her,
32:06
Speaker 1: and like a big dress. We haven't seen any of
32:09
Speaker 1: that kind of tease. Super interesting, That's why you're the expert. Well,
32:15
Speaker 1: that's been the breakdown of this week's episode. Uh not Made.
32:18
Speaker 1: Didn't necessarily hit where we wanted it to, but still
32:21
Speaker 1: got some information out there, some really shocking exits, and
32:25
Speaker 1: some people sticking around for hometowns that we'll be watching
32:28
Speaker 1: and breaking down right here on almost from his podcast.
32:30
Speaker 1: Next week, Ash, it's time for hot topics. Let's take
32:33
Speaker 1: a break, go to glass Water. Will be back to
32:36
Speaker 1: break down all the crazy stuff happening in Bachelor Nation.
32:48
Speaker 1: It's time for Bachelor Headlines with our expert Ashley Liken
32:51
Speaker 1: Eddie here to break down every story in the way
32:54
Speaker 1: that she knows how, which is fantastically. The first headline
32:57
Speaker 1: is this Bachelor in Paradise ads for new contestants Haley
33:01
Speaker 1: from Katie Thurston's Bachelorette season. Mm hmmm, I teased this before,
33:06
Speaker 1: So Aaron, you know the guy who hates everyone, Connor
33:11
Speaker 1: who everybody loves the catman Um, Trey, and James will
33:19
Speaker 1: all be joining the summer spinoff. How do you feel
33:24
Speaker 1: about all these? Um? I mean, I guess we're all
33:27
Speaker 1: happy to see Connor there because he's such a sweet guy.
33:31
Speaker 1: Everybody else I'm kind of like neutral on Yeah, yeah,
33:35
Speaker 1: I am excited to see Connor. I bet he brings
33:37
Speaker 1: his guitar. What do you think? Oh? Yeah, one th percent.
33:39
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't overdo it, because you know, you
33:41
Speaker 1: can overdo the musical instruments on the show if you'd like,
33:46
Speaker 1: keep leading into it. Who was that person that did
33:49
Speaker 1: that all the time? J exactly. Thank you for reminding
33:54
Speaker 1: me of that. Yeah, that was rough. Uh. Next big
33:57
Speaker 1: headline is Jason Tartik slams nasty comments critiquing Caitlin Bristow's appearance.
34:02
Speaker 1: It's grotesque, he says. So Jason is standing up for
34:06
Speaker 1: his fiancee Caitlin Um, saying she's been getting so many
34:10
Speaker 1: negative comments on her looks, absolutely freaking insane and ridiculous.
34:15
Speaker 1: He says, I don't know why people think it's okay
34:19
Speaker 1: to say that they do on Twitter. There's so many
34:23
Speaker 1: things in this world we can control, and there's so
34:25
Speaker 1: many things we can't control. Our looks and things like
34:28
Speaker 1: that are the are most of the things we can't control.
34:33
Speaker 1: And the way that people make comments nasty comments about
34:36
Speaker 1: people's appearances, and obviously I'm specifically referring to Caitlin, it's grotesque,
34:41
Speaker 1: it's a joke. Um. And then Caitlin said, I'm not
34:46
Speaker 1: playing the um and then he continued to say, I'm
34:48
Speaker 1: not playing the victim card for her. And like you said,
34:52
Speaker 1: it's been a great opportunity to come on the show
34:55
Speaker 1: and all the things that have happened, But the good
34:57
Speaker 1: comes with the bad, and with some of the bad,
35:00
Speaker 1: you're just like, oh, she's age, Well yeah, we all
35:04
Speaker 1: effing age, Like what do you want to do about that?
35:07
Speaker 1: I mean, it is it's crazy that has been seven
35:10
Speaker 1: years since Caitlin and I have been partner started this journey.
35:14
Speaker 1: You know, seven years a lot does change. I look
35:17
Speaker 1: back on pictures of myself and like, I'm like, oh
35:20
Speaker 1: my gosh, the collagen and the bounce in my face.
35:22
Speaker 1: Like I look back on those seasons and I wish
35:25
Speaker 1: I had the face that I had back then. I
35:27
Speaker 1: can see myself aging and Caitlin is beautiful, stunning, it's
35:32
Speaker 1: just insane. She's beautiful, and it just I mean, he
35:35
Speaker 1: he does make a very good comment, like the good
35:37
Speaker 1: comes of the bad. Um. People just don't like this.
35:40
Speaker 1: Some people and not all. Some people don't like to
35:42
Speaker 1: see other people succeed. And she's thriving right now. It's
35:44
Speaker 1: been a huge year for her, so people are gonna,
35:47
Speaker 1: you know, chup at her and say those things. It's
35:50
Speaker 1: just even if it's not true. But good for him
35:53
Speaker 1: to stand up in the way that he did. I
35:55
Speaker 1: thought it was a great, uh, a great message that
35:58
Speaker 1: he sent out there to a lot of people. Because
35:59
Speaker 1: she's not the only one that receives hate on social media.
36:02
Speaker 1: We all know that well. Um Ali Fantotowski reveals her
36:06
Speaker 1: only horrible regret from her season of The Bachelorette. It
36:12
Speaker 1: was her hairstyle. It was a picture of like one
36:16
Speaker 1: of her promo pictures, and she said, Um, I do
36:19
Speaker 1: wish I enjoyed it more in the moment, um, but
36:22
Speaker 1: I would never regret it. It's the reason that my
36:25
Speaker 1: life turned out the way it is today. She says
36:27
Speaker 1: that about the show, But the one thing that she
36:30
Speaker 1: really can't stand is looking back on this one picture. Um,
36:36
Speaker 1: that's funny. She still looks very cute. It's I think
36:41
Speaker 1: she was one of the most beloved bachelorts of all times.
36:43
Speaker 1: So but uh, just a different time. I'm sure we
36:47
Speaker 1: all look back on the same My I makeup was
36:52
Speaker 1: so heavy, there's lots of things, but it looks just
36:55
Speaker 1: changed over the years. So I'm pretty sure back in
36:58
Speaker 1: um two thousand ten, when she was bachelor, she probably
37:01
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty cute. I think so well, Hey,
37:04
Speaker 1: final headline of the week is Matt James and Rachel
37:09
Speaker 1: Um speak out on overcoming quote difficult time in their romance,
37:13
Speaker 1: were better, they say so. They say they're in a
37:17
Speaker 1: good place where they are now, but they did work
37:20
Speaker 1: hard to get where they are today. When they were
37:22
Speaker 1: at the sp Awards on Saturday, this is what Rachel said.
37:27
Speaker 1: I will say that, you know, of course it was
37:29
Speaker 1: difficult in the moment, but just being able to step
37:32
Speaker 1: back and work on our relationship to assess, taking a
37:35
Speaker 1: moment away from the spotlight, it's been really good for us.
37:38
Speaker 1: It's been a lot better. And then um Matt said,
37:42
Speaker 1: I'm following the lead of everybody else. You know, I
37:45
Speaker 1: think that I look to people who have been where
37:48
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get to. Rachel's parents have been a
37:50
Speaker 1: relationship for a long time. They've been married for probably
37:53
Speaker 1: as long as I've been alive, and he said, so
37:56
Speaker 1: their relationships that are prospering. Um So, relationships that are
38:02
Speaker 1: prospering are what I kind of fixed my eyes on
38:05
Speaker 1: and hope to emulate. Well, they did make an appearance
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Speaker 1: at the SPS. They didn't speak out on it. They
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Speaker 1: are together, they're dating, their figuring out well. Ashley, thank
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Speaker 1: you again. I know this is a crazy season of
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Speaker 1: life for you. You are a Trooper. You're gonna be
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Speaker 1: here every week as long as the stomach allows um
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Speaker 1: hosting this podcast. We'll be back next week to break
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Speaker 1: down hometowns. Hometown is gonna be done a little differently
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Speaker 1: again this season but still get to meet the families.
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Speaker 1: I don't even know what they're calling them home towns anymore. Anyways, Hey,
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Speaker 1: i've been been, I've been Ashley. Bye, guys. Follow the
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