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Jake Reiner Makes Brave First Appearance Since Murder of Parents, Rob and Michele · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: In the Last Days, renowned director Rob Reiner and Michelle
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Speaker 2: Reiner's son, Jake Reiner reappears in public for the first
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Speaker 2: time since the murders of his beloved parents. I'm Nancy Grace,
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Speaker 2: this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. In the Last Days. Jake Reiner, the
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Speaker 2: son of Robin Michelle Reiner, made a very rare public appearance.
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Speaker 2: He showed up for a friend of his parents the
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Speaker 2: premier of Larry David's new HBO series Life Larry in
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Speaker 2: the Pursuit of Unhappiness. This was the first appearance since
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Speaker 2: the horrific death of his beloved parents, Rob and Michelle Singer.
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Speaker 2: Reiner and his sister have remained largely hidden away since
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Speaker 2: the discovery of the bodies of Michelle and Rob Reiner,
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Speaker 2: trying to put their lives back together again, but their
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Speaker 2: lives will never be the same. It's like trying to
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Speaker 2: put together a shattered mirror. It will never be the same. Yes,
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Speaker 2: you can look at it and see an image, but
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Speaker 2: not the way it was before. And this is why
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Speaker 2: Rob Reiner and his wife were murdered.
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Speaker 3: Their daughter came across the streets.
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Speaker 2: She was right across the road and then she finds
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Speaker 2: their bodies. They had multiple stab wounds.
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Speaker 4: I got totally spun out on uppers. I think it
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Speaker 4: was coke and something else, and I was up for
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Speaker 4: days on end, and I started punching out different things
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Speaker 4: in my guest.
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Speaker 2: House, like a friend like what like a stuff in
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Speaker 2: their life.
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Speaker 4: I think I started with the TV, and then I
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Speaker 4: went over to the lamp, and then progressive just everything
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Speaker 4: in the guest house got wrecked.
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Speaker 5: Our office will be filing charges against Nick Reiner, who
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Speaker 5: was accused of killing his parents, actor director Rob Reiner
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Speaker 5: and photographer producer Michelle Singer Reiner. These charges will be
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Speaker 5: two counts of first degree murder with a special circumstance
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Speaker 5: of multiple murders. He also fast is a special allegation
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Speaker 5: that he personally used a dangerous and deadly weapon, that
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Speaker 5: being a knife.
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Speaker 2: You are hearing the local district attorney, and earlier you
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Speaker 2: were hearing Rob Reiner, Michelle Reiner's son Nick Reiner, describing
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Speaker 2: how he totally got spun out on uppers. I think
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Speaker 2: I was on coke and something else. I was up
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Speaker 2: for days on end and started punching out different things
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Speaker 2: in my guest house. Let me just do a quick
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Speaker 2: little correction right there, Caleb Brantley joining us a reporter
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Speaker 2: at large dailymail dot com. It was his guest house.
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Speaker 2: He was living on the largesse of his parents, Rob
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Speaker 2: and Michelle Reiner. And this wasn't the first time he
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Speaker 2: totally destroyed the guest house. I mean, the entitlement of
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Speaker 2: this guy.
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Speaker 3: Is it true?
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Speaker 2: From what very different from what we first learned? That
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Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle Singer Reiner were found their throats slit
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Speaker 2: in their own bed, Is that true, Kiala Brantley. That's
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Speaker 2: exactly right, Nancy.
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Speaker 6: It was around a Sunday at three point thirty pm
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Speaker 6: when their bodies were discovered, And what we're now learning
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Speaker 6: is that Rob and Michelle Reiner had been dead in
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Speaker 6: their bed for some hours. So of course now the
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Speaker 6: police are putting together a timeline of when this could
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Speaker 6: have happened. We know Saturday night there was a fight
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Speaker 6: with Nick and his parents at a party at Conin
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Speaker 6: O'Brien's house at Christmas party, and by Sunday at three
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Speaker 6: thirty pm they were found dead.
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Speaker 2: Guys in the last hours, video has emerged of the
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Speaker 2: sun Nick Reiner. Now this is after he allegedly murders
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Speaker 2: both his parents in their sleep, which are going to
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Speaker 2: circle back to Phillip Dubay about I mean, talk about
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Speaker 2: stalking and predating upon someone attacking your parents in the dark,
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Speaker 2: in their sleep when they can't fight back. After that,
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Speaker 2: and after he checks into a local hotel and cleans up,
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Speaker 2: he's spotted here, let's take a look at Nick Reiner.
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Speaker 2: This is the latest happening. Now there he is. Wow,
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Speaker 2: he packed clean clothes. He has on a matching outfit.
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Speaker 2: Check it out. He's got on shoes without blood, new
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Speaker 2: pants without blood. He's got a backpack, a jacket against
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Speaker 2: the cold, a hat. Let's keep watching this because I
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Speaker 2: see him walk in fully aware of what's happening, going
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Speaker 2: straight to the drink area. He gets to drink, then
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Speaker 2: he goes and stands in line. Yeah, looks totally sane,
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Speaker 2: doesn't he. This is from CBS News. By the way,
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Speaker 2: Philip Dubay joining us a high profile lawyer out of
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Speaker 2: La County, former public defender. There's going to really be
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Speaker 2: hard for his new high profile lawyer, Alan Jackson, who
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Speaker 2: represented Karen Reid, to argue mental defect because he looks
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Speaker 2: completely sane right there. He knew to pack. Could you
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Speaker 2: take him down please? He needed to pack new clothes,
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Speaker 2: fresh clothes. What happened to the murder weapon? Has it
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Speaker 2: been hidden? Did he know enough to hide or discard
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Speaker 2: the murder weapons so it will never be found? What
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Speaker 2: knife was that? What utensil did he use to stab
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Speaker 2: his parents and slit their throats? He knows how to
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Speaker 2: go into a gas station. He goes straight to what
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Speaker 2: he wants. He gets it, closes the fridge behind him,
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Speaker 2: comes up to the line, and stands there patiently waiting
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Speaker 2: to pay, pays for his food, his drink. Wow, he
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Speaker 2: looks just like you, Debay, going into a gas station.
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Speaker 2: You don't look crazy to me.
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Speaker 7: If you killed during the throes of psychosis, or if
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Speaker 7: you kill while under the influence of some type of
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Speaker 7: meth induced situation, like a form of methane psychosis, it
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Speaker 7: cannot form the basis of a Leo de fence. The
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Speaker 7: jury can factor it in and deciding whether or not
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Speaker 7: he had the intent to kill, but you're not going
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Speaker 7: to walk away from it. And I think what the
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Speaker 7: evidence will probably show is that at some point he
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Speaker 7: was going through some type of the drug induced euphoria,
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Speaker 7: likely for meth amphetamine, and that it dissipated and he
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Speaker 7: went to what we call that meth or cocaine crash
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Speaker 7: and that's why you're seeing him so calm afterwards.
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Speaker 2: Uh huh? Did you interview Nick Reiner and I learn
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Speaker 2: all this? Or you just guessing? You're just projecting. He
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Speaker 2: was on math, he was on code. Now he's in
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Speaker 2: a uphour a downer, and he was a psychosis at
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Speaker 2: the time he murdered his parents. You're just kind of extrapolating,
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Speaker 2: Is that right?
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Speaker 7: I am telling you he is a statistic He is
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Speaker 7: the mirror image of that homeless drug addicted population out
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Speaker 7: there that goes through that meth or cokai. It dissipates
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Speaker 7: and then they crash, and during that crash stage they
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Speaker 7: are cool.
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Speaker 2: You're saying the same thing again, Or am I caught
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Speaker 2: in a demonic echo chamber? Are you making this all up?
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Speaker 2: Did anybody tell you this? Are you co counsel with
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Speaker 2: a high profile lawyer and you know this by some
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Speaker 2: interview with a diffendant? Or are you just spinning it out?
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Speaker 7: That's the one I am enriching you as to what
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Speaker 7: the likelihood is that's really what's being.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So where did you get your information? If you
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Speaker 2: could reveal that.
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Speaker 7: I'll tell you what tipped me off that that's what happened.
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Speaker 7: When he was arrested. They booked him into the Twin
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Speaker 7: Towers Correctional Facility rather than the Men's County jail. So
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Speaker 7: what that and that is the largest psych hospital in
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Speaker 7: the United States within a jail system. It tells me
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Speaker 7: that at the point of stop.
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Speaker 2: To stop, you must cut his mic because for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 2: Paris Hilton was booked in the Twin Towers. That means
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Speaker 2: nothing to me. The fact that he's in the Twins Town.
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Speaker 2: You are spinning out like rubble rubble Stielskin. You're taking
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Speaker 2: mangy looking with hay and you're turning it into gold.
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Speaker 2: But guess what that doesn't work with a veterin trial lawyer.
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Speaker 2: That would be me the live stop right here. You
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Speaker 2: know nothing about his mental state. You know nothing about
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Speaker 2: whether he was on speed, whether it's on myth, whether
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Speaker 2: it's on coke, much less a euphick downer after bottom line,
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Speaker 2: you know what, why am I asking a JD like
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Speaker 2: myself mental health questions when I've got doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: with me, renowned psycho Alice joining us out of this
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Speaker 2: jurisdiction along with Dubay, author of deal Breakers. You can
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Speaker 2: see her on Peacock now and find her at doctor
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Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany Philip Dubay is talking
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Speaker 2: about statistics, and all trial lawyers know, if they've ever
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Speaker 2: tried a case and they're not just a talking head,
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Speaker 2: that statistics are overwhelmingly disallowed as evidence at court. So
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Speaker 2: that's not happening now. It doesn't matter if Rainer, as
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Speaker 2: in the son Nick Reiner, had been on meth. It
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Speaker 2: doesn't matter if he's on coke. It doesn't matter what
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Speaker 2: he's on. Voluntary use of drugs or alcohol not a defense, Bethany,
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Speaker 2: I would like you to look at your screen. We're
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Speaker 2: going to look at this gas station video again. A
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Speaker 2: lot of you may be wondering why is this important,
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Speaker 2: because Alan Jackson has swooped in the Karen Reid lawyer.
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Speaker 2: This is from CBS News, by the way, and I
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Speaker 2: already see as Dubey said rightfully, that they're going to
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Speaker 2: try a mental defense argument. Okay, but look at this guy.
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Speaker 2: This is a couple of hours after he allegedly slits
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Speaker 2: the throats of both of his parents. You know why,
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Speaker 2: because he just couldn't take living in that multimillionaire home,
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Speaker 2: that lifestyle he was given on a silver platter on
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Speaker 2: top of a Christmas tree.
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Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, I see somebody walking casually around a
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Speaker 8: mini march getting a drink. He doesn't show signs of
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Speaker 8: drug abuse here. He's not pascing, he's not agitated.
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Speaker 9: He looks quite.
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Speaker 8: Calm to me. So instead of putting this in the
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Speaker 8: drug addiction category where somebody's on mess and there's overkill,
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Speaker 8: which I speculated to yesterday, what I'm going to say
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Speaker 8: now is that often with domestic homicide, when somebody successfully
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Speaker 8: kills a family member, there's an extraordinary relief phase afterwards.
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Speaker 8: So they will be quite calm. They will like go shopping.
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Speaker 8: They will I mean, like Casey Anthony, dance on the
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Speaker 8: stripper pole.
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Speaker 9: They will go out.
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Speaker 8: And enjoy their lives. Now, in terms of drug abuse,
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Speaker 8: I've been looking at all the interviews last night, Nancy,
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Speaker 8: and one of the things I noticed about this guy,
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Speaker 8: Rob Reiner's son is he does a lot of what
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Speaker 8: we call tongue thrusting, pushing his tongue out as he's talking,
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Speaker 8: which means that he has tart of dyskenesia, which is
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Speaker 8: a signed of antipsychotic.
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Speaker 9: Medication.
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Speaker 8: Meaning this guy was in the lap of luxury of
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Speaker 8: psychiatric care. He had the best psychiatrists, the best hospitalizations,
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Speaker 8: everything available to him. I see this as much more
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Speaker 8: psychological than something that is related to drug addiction.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to Rob Heater and join us.
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Speaker 2: A star of Naughty but Nice podcast, author of a
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Speaker 2: brand new book, It Started with a Whisper, which is
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Speaker 2: a big hit on Amazon now. You can find him
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Speaker 2: at robshooter dot substact dot com. Publicist to the stars,
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Speaker 2: you know, Rob Shooter, I'm gonna put you under the
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Speaker 2: microscope right now and do a lightning round. Isn't it true?
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Speaker 2: You know Nick Reiner? Isn't that true?
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Speaker 3: I've met Nick Rider?
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 2: So then simple answer, yes, And you have actually sat
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Speaker 2: down and had a meal with him? Yes?
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Speaker 3: No, uh, coffee with him and I maybe a crossunt.
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Speaker 2: That's not a yes, no, but whatever. When you were
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Speaker 2: with him, did he seem psychotic or just a spoiled brat?
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Speaker 11: A spoiled brat he felt entitled. Explain he turned a
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Speaker 11: plate from meeting that he he arranged. I didn't range it.
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Speaker 11: So he want to meet with me in La And
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Speaker 11: he turned up late, kind of late late enough that
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Speaker 11: you notice, not five ten minutes late late.
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Speaker 3: That bothered me. When he turned up, he was rude to.
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Speaker 11: The staff, which is always a tell when you turn
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Speaker 11: up and you're rude to people. I remember at one
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Speaker 11: point they got his order wrong and he blew off
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Speaker 11: the handle really shockingly shockingly quick, and then came back
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Speaker 11: down and sat and talked. He was arrogant, he was entitled,
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Speaker 11: and he's sort of had a sense of himself that
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Speaker 11: was way bigger than the reality. He believed that he
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Speaker 11: was a major player in Hollywood, the same way that
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Speaker 11: he believed he trashed his guest house. No, you are
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Speaker 11: not a major player in Hollywood. Your parents are, your
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Speaker 11: dad is, and that ain't your guest house.
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Speaker 2: It's your dad's rob But why did he want to
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Speaker 2: meet with you? What did he want?
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Speaker 11: He was struggling. He wanted to be a really successful screenwriter.
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Speaker 11: He wanted to be famous. I think he desperately wanted
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Speaker 11: to step out of his mom and dad and his
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Speaker 11: grandpa's shadow.
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Speaker 3: He was a lost guy, and he had access to resources.
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Speaker 11: That the rest of us people struggling in the entertainment
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Speaker 11: business would absolutely, absolutely desire. He had phone numbers, he
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Speaker 11: had emails, he had contacts. But unfortunately here he didn't
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Speaker 11: have a lot of talent, and so he had trouble
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Speaker 11: squaring that and he was looking. He was looking for
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Speaker 11: somebody to come along and turn him into the next
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Speaker 11: amazing screenwriter, which obviously I couldn't do, and nobody else
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Speaker 11: could do any he could do, and he didn't have
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Speaker 11: the gifts to do that.
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Speaker 2: Rob Shooter, you stated that he contacted you to meet
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Speaker 2: with him because he wanted to become a successful screenwriter.
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Speaker 2: What is your experience, Shooter as a screenwriter?
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Speaker 3: My experience is zero. I have never written a screenplay.
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Speaker 2: Okay, So what you're good at, what your forte is
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Speaker 2: is you are apr uru. People from all around the
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Speaker 2: world come to you for p R help, public relations help,
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Speaker 2: whether they're in a crisis or they just want to
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Speaker 2: become famous for whatever reason. You've seen it all, from
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Speaker 2: Brittany to Sean Combs so many more. So, he didn't
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Speaker 2: come to you for help to become a screenwriter. He
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Speaker 2: came to you because he wanted to be famous.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, there was no craft there. He didn't come to
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Speaker 11: me to learn the art of becoming successful. He had
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Speaker 11: no interest in learning his craft. He had no interest
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Speaker 11: in taking a screenwriting class, in learning how to do this.
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Speaker 11: He wanted to go straight from zero to one hundred.
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Speaker 11: And this is not that uncommony. It very rarely happens.
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Speaker 11: But everybody wants to be famous. Everybody wants to be successful.
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Speaker 11: Are you willing to put in the work, the hours,
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Speaker 11: the hours, the years, the years. I tell everybody that
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Speaker 11: works with me for a little bit of success, it's
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Speaker 11: going to take five to ten years of hard work.
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Speaker 11: He wasn't willing to do that. He wanted to go
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Speaker 11: straight from a zero.
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Speaker 3: To one hundred.
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Speaker 2: Well, how did he want you to make him famous?
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Speaker 2: What were you supposed to do?
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Speaker 11: He had no idea how I'd do it. He thought
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Speaker 11: I'd done it for other people. I explained to him,
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Speaker 11: very very carefully that I had worked with a lot
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Speaker 11: of lot of celebrities, but I hadn't turned anybody into
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Speaker 11: a star who didn't do the work, and that everybody
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Speaker 11: I worked with, from a Jennifer Lopez to a Jean
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Speaker 11: bon Jovi works their pailoff. There's there's this thing, this
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Speaker 11: this perception out there that you can become famous overnight
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Speaker 11: without doing the work, and it's just not true.
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Speaker 3: You have to do the work. He shows almost zero
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Speaker 3: interest in that.
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Speaker 11: I asked him if he if he had a screenplay,
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Speaker 11: show me your play, let me let me read it,
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Speaker 11: let me see.
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Speaker 3: He hadn't even put together a sentence. He sent me nothing.
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Speaker 2: Okay, does that change your opinion, doctor Bethany Marshall, what
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Speaker 2: you were learning from Rob Shooter? Now we're getting to
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Speaker 2: the very latest. We know where he's being hill right now,
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Speaker 2: we know what his lawyer is up to. We have
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Speaker 2: seen the very latest videos and evidence. We have evidence
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Speaker 2: from the hotel where he snuck into and literally blacked
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Speaker 2: out the windows with sheets hiding out, where he cleaned up,
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Speaker 2: leaving behind blood in the shower, his parents' blood. Before
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Speaker 2: I get to that, this is a real insight for me,
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall. I usually don't get to have this
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Speaker 2: when I'm looking at a target. This changes a lot
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Speaker 2: for me, this insight into Nick Reiner's mind. Bethany, Yes, it.
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Speaker 8: Changes a lot for me too. I was fascinated by
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Speaker 8: what Rob was saying, because what I'm hearing is true entitlement.
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Speaker 8: Entitlement is the expectation of reward without achievement. You want
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Speaker 8: to be at the top of Mount Everest, but you
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Speaker 8: don't want to work out, hike, get all the equipment,
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Speaker 8: try to get yourself to the top. You just want
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Speaker 8: to be magically helicoptered there. And so people who have
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Speaker 8: severe addictions, like obviously Nick did, they have to work
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Speaker 8: really hard to surmount those addictions, right. They have to
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Speaker 8: go to rehab, they have to surround themselves with a
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Speaker 8: community that will hold them responsible. But if you're drug
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Speaker 8: addicted and entitled, you are not going to put in
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Speaker 8: the work to gain sobriety. Now, if you're living in
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Speaker 8: a guest house with very rich, very talented, renowned parents,
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Speaker 8: what you're going to see is a sack of gold
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Speaker 8: on the other side of the driveway, and it's yours.
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Speaker 8: It doesn't belong to them anymore. Now, it's yours. You
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Speaker 8: should have it yourself, even though maybe you haven't done
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Speaker 8: anything to earn it, right, Maybe you haven't gone to
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Speaker 8: Conan o'bryan's Christmas party and chatted people up and been
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Speaker 8: kind and you know, taking pictures, shake hands or anything
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Speaker 8: like that, you just think that it belongs to you.
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Speaker 8: And so what I hear is somebody who thinks he
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Speaker 8: should be famous. He doesn't have the talent, he doesn't
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Speaker 8: want to put in the work. He is building up
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Speaker 8: his boiling resentment towards his parents who did put in
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Speaker 8: the work, and his grandfather who did put in the work.
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Speaker 8: And envy, that green eyed monster envy. When you want
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Speaker 8: something somebody else has and you don't feel you can
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Speaker 8: get it for yourself, it causes the wish to destroy
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Speaker 8: the object of your envy. And I think that's what
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Speaker 8: we're seeing right now, is that he just he destroyed
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Speaker 8: his parents, even though they gave him every benefit, every opportunity.
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Speaker 8: He thought he could just skate in and you know,
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Speaker 8: have lunch with our not ey but nice, you know
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Speaker 8: person here, and that all of a sudden he would
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Speaker 8: be famous. It's the offending pattern. I see it everywhere now.
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Speaker 8: As we're talking about it tonight, as we go.
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Speaker 2: To air tonight, we're learning the district attorney there in
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Speaker 2: LA has filed formal charges, including you legal eagles if
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Speaker 2: you caught this special circumstances, which means the death penalty
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Speaker 2: is on the table.
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Speaker 5: These charges carry a maximum sentence of life in prison
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Speaker 5: without the possibility parol or the death penalty. No decision
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Speaker 5: at this point has been made with respect to the
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Speaker 5: death penalty we have requested and currently Nick Reiner is
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Speaker 5: being held without bail. One of these special allegations is
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Speaker 5: that the murder was committed with a deadly weapon or
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Speaker 5: a knife. As to where and how the weapon will
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Speaker 5: be was located or will be located, that will actually
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Speaker 5: be evidence while presenting.
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Speaker 2: Court the murders of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer.
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Speaker 2: Reiner stabbed Dan multiple stab ones.
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Speaker 12: The injuries to the neck categorized as slash wings, both.
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Speaker 2: Their throats slit arterial bleed is like a water Sprinklark, I.
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Speaker 12: Can guarantee you that this is a blood time.
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Speaker 2: And in the last hours, Nick Reiner, suspect number one
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Speaker 2: in the murders of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer
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Speaker 2: Reiner appears in court looking grim, wearing shackles and a
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Speaker 2: suicide smuck as he makes his very first court appearance
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Speaker 2: in the murder cases Sidney Summer. What happened?
21:19
Speaker 1: What happened?
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Speaker 9: Nancy?
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Speaker 10: Essentially nothing. Alan Jackson tells the judge he's already spoken
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Speaker 10: with the prosecution and they agree to postpone Reiner's arrangement
21:27
Speaker 10: until the new year, so they'll be back in court
21:30
Speaker 10: on January seventh. The judge asked Reiner if he agrees
21:33
Speaker 10: to waive his right to a speedy arrangement, and Reiner
21:36
Speaker 10: meekly responds, yes, your honor. The only thing we really
21:40
Speaker 10: learned here is that Reiner is likely being held on
21:43
Speaker 10: suicide watch, evidenced by that barely visible blue.
21:46
Speaker 2: Smuck so Sidney Sumner. They spoiled Bratt turn accused double
21:51
Speaker 2: killer said very little in court. He appeared behind glass,
21:56
Speaker 2: he was shackled. He did not enter a plea.
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Speaker 10: Why Mister Jackson answered that for his client, telling the
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Speaker 10: judge it's too early to enter a plea as he
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Speaker 10: had just a few minutes with his client before this
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Speaker 10: initial appearance. It seems the court is already on holiday mode,
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Speaker 10: as both prosecutors and the judge quickly agreed to postpone
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Speaker 10: until January seventh.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Jake Rider making an extremely rare public appearance in the
22:34
Speaker 2: last days for a family friend Larry David at his
22:39
Speaker 2: brand new HBO series. It was the first time he
22:43
Speaker 2: had appeared in public since the murders of his parents,
22:46
Speaker 2: Rob and Michelle. God bless him for trying to resume life.
22:54
Speaker 1: Why why is.
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Speaker 2: It so difficult with facts like these? Can you blame
22:58
Speaker 2: him and his sister lying low? The arrest Rob Reiner
23:03
Speaker 2: and Michelle Singer, Reiner's son goes down in a public
23:06
Speaker 2: location and eyewitnesses state that Nick Reiner, the defendant in
23:11
Speaker 2: this case, seemingly was acting like a quote ordinary guy.
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Speaker 13: He was arrested in in a public area in the
23:19
Speaker 13: Exposition Park area near the University of Southern California campus.
23:23
Speaker 13: He was approached by the officers and he was arrested
23:25
Speaker 13: without incident. There were no indications that there was no
23:30
Speaker 13: indication that he was going to resist or anything like that.
23:32
Speaker 13: He didn't flee or anything like that. He was taking
23:34
Speaker 13: into custody without issue, and he was transported to our
23:39
Speaker 13: police air QUTS calab.
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Speaker 2: Brantley joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com, Kella, what happened?
23:45
Speaker 2: Tell me about how the arrest went down.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, as you can see from those pictures and as
23:49
Speaker 6: was described by the officer, Nick Reiner appeared very calm collected.
23:55
Speaker 6: He didn't put up a fight, and you can see
23:57
Speaker 6: in these pictures right here, you know, he put his
23:59
Speaker 6: arms behind his back.
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Speaker 2: He was not he was not resisting arrest.
24:03
Speaker 6: And it appears that he was in those same clothes
24:05
Speaker 6: that he was seen in that earlier surveillance footage that
24:08
Speaker 6: you showed, So he didn't have a change of clothes,
24:11
Speaker 6: and he was taken away very easily.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about what was found at the hotel.
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Speaker 6: It was a horrific scene. Now, what we've learned is
24:19
Speaker 6: that there was blood everywhere. He's obviously changed his clothes.
24:23
Speaker 6: There was no blood on him as you saw there.
24:26
Speaker 6: And what they haven't found yet, or what they haven't
24:29
Speaker 6: disclosed that they've found yet, is a murder weapon. So
24:32
Speaker 6: obviously everyone's assuming that there was a knife that was
24:35
Speaker 6: used for those lascerations to his parents' throat, but we
24:38
Speaker 6: haven't learned yet if that has been found or if
24:40
Speaker 6: it was found in the hotel or at the crime scene.
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Speaker 2: You're right, Caleb Brantley, dailymail dot com. Take a listen
24:47
Speaker 2: to the LA District Attorney.
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Speaker 5: One of these special allegations is that the murder was
24:51
Speaker 5: committed with a deadly weapon or a knife, as to
24:55
Speaker 5: wear and how the weapon will be he was located
25:01
Speaker 5: or will be located? That will actually be evidence.
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Speaker 1: While presenting court you see.
25:05
Speaker 2: The local district attorney seemingly correcting himself, pausing there about
25:10
Speaker 2: the weapon. Well, it will be located, it was located.
25:16
Speaker 2: That tells me that the weapon has been discarded. Much
25:22
Speaker 2: like in the Brian Coburger case. We found the knife
25:25
Speaker 2: hilt with the defendants DNA on it underneath one of
25:29
Speaker 2: the murder victims, but we never found the actual knife.
25:35
Speaker 2: Interesting joining me Scott Iiker, digital forensics expert, founding member
25:40
Speaker 2: of the FBI Cellular Analysis serve A Team FBI twenty
25:46
Speaker 2: two years and former homicide detective in Norfolk. Scott, thank
25:52
Speaker 2: you for being with us. I want to find that
25:55
Speaker 2: weapon and after much analysis, I think the best way
25:59
Speaker 2: to find the weapon is to track Nick Reiner's sell phone.
26:05
Speaker 2: How do we do it?
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Speaker 14: Well, there are several different ways to do that. You've
26:09
Speaker 14: got all the different applications on the cell phone and
26:12
Speaker 14: the cellular connections that the cell phone makes all the
26:17
Speaker 14: time when it's on, so you can track the towers.
26:21
Speaker 14: You can get more detailed information from distance from the towers,
26:25
Speaker 14: and you might be able to get some information from
26:27
Speaker 14: the applications like Google, of Facebook, Instagram, all those provide
26:32
Speaker 14: some locational information, so you can track him historically from
26:37
Speaker 14: the house to the hotel and maybe or to where
26:41
Speaker 14: he was arrested, which was about, you know, twelve thirteen
26:45
Speaker 14: miles away. So there's a good amount of distance between
26:48
Speaker 14: those locations. So they got their work cut out to
26:52
Speaker 14: try to figure it out. But obviously they've got this video.
26:55
Speaker 14: They've gotten to a point they're putting a timeline together
26:59
Speaker 14: and they're just going to chronologically go through each little
27:03
Speaker 14: step to see where they could figure out where he
27:05
Speaker 14: might have put that.
27:05
Speaker 2: Night Vagas station video from our friends at CBS. So
27:09
Speaker 2: I'm going to go out on a limb here and
27:11
Speaker 2: go back to Philip Dubay. He is actually a veteran
27:15
Speaker 2: trial lawyer. He's a defense attorney and he has been
27:18
Speaker 2: with the La County Public Defender's Office. What does that mean?
27:21
Speaker 2: They're on trial all the time, just like assistant district attorneys.
27:26
Speaker 2: There are thousands of cases to be handled, and you've
27:29
Speaker 2: got to go to trial or else you get fired.
27:32
Speaker 2: Very simply put Philip Dubay, this guy may have been
27:37
Speaker 2: in the movie Mayleeu. He's been around screenwriters, he's been
27:40
Speaker 2: around stars, He's been around plenty of who Done It movies.
27:44
Speaker 2: But do you really think that he thought too He's
27:49
Speaker 2: only alleged to communities crimes. But would he have thought
27:52
Speaker 2: so deeply to think, Oh, let me turn my phone
27:56
Speaker 2: off before I get rid of the murder weapon, let
27:59
Speaker 2: me put it on airplane mode. I don't think so.
28:02
Speaker 2: Remember one of our last suspects that put the phone
28:06
Speaker 2: on airplane mode?
28:08
Speaker 1: Oh?
28:08
Speaker 2: Yes, that would be very more few whose phone went
28:13
Speaker 2: on airplane mode around the time his wife was killed
28:18
Speaker 2: or went missing. So, Philip Dubai, do you really think
28:23
Speaker 2: he thought that deeply when he got rid of the weapon.
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Speaker 7: No, and I'll tell you why. I can tell by
28:29
Speaker 7: the charges. The prosecution is not alleging that this was
28:33
Speaker 7: a planned, premeditated murder. The only reason why he's rising
28:37
Speaker 7: to the level of it being a special circumstance is
28:40
Speaker 7: because there were multiple victims. They're not even alleging that
28:44
Speaker 7: he did it for a financial gain, which certainly is
28:47
Speaker 7: the classic motive, particularly in the Hollywood. So what you
28:51
Speaker 7: really have here is somebody who is out of his
28:53
Speaker 7: mind again, likely due to psychosis, drugs, or maybe even
28:58
Speaker 7: an untreated personality disorder who flew off the handle in
29:02
Speaker 7: a fit of rage for whatever reason and fled while
29:06
Speaker 7: still in that Either drug induce psychosis or some type
29:11
Speaker 7: of mental health crisis, does it excuse the behavior?
29:14
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what, Sidney Sumner, that was all my
29:16
Speaker 2: fault because you never on the stand anyway ask a
29:20
Speaker 2: witness a question that you don't already know the answer to.
29:24
Speaker 2: So I asked him, Debay, about the weapon and where
29:28
Speaker 2: it would have been discarded, and was the cell phone
29:31
Speaker 2: turned on or off at the time the weapon was discarded,
29:33
Speaker 2: and he goes back to his pretend drug psychosis theory.
29:37
Speaker 2: Sidney Sumner, let's get some facts joining me, Sidney Sumner,
29:40
Speaker 2: Lomaquila Brandley, Daily Mail, Sidney Sumner, Crime Stories, investigative reporter.
29:45
Speaker 2: What exactly are the charges against Nick Reiner? We just
29:50
Speaker 2: heard the district attorney speaking. What are the charges?
29:54
Speaker 9: Well, Nick Reiner is charged with two counts of murder
29:58
Speaker 9: with the special circuit instances of multiple murders because he
30:02
Speaker 9: killed two people at the same time, and that special
30:05
Speaker 9: circumstance of using a deadly weapon.
30:09
Speaker 2: Sydney aren't those murder charges first degree murder? Isn't that true?
30:16
Speaker 9: You're right, Nancy, they are first degree murder.
30:19
Speaker 2: And in this jurisdiction of California, murder one is murder
30:26
Speaker 2: with malice a forethought. That's what murder one is in California,
30:32
Speaker 2: Sydney exactly.
30:34
Speaker 9: So there is some assumption that this was premeditated in
30:38
Speaker 9: some degree.
30:39
Speaker 2: So when we hear Philip Dubay state that this is
30:42
Speaker 2: not uh, these are not charges that include intent, that's
30:49
Speaker 2: diametrically opposed to what the charges actually are. The charge
30:53
Speaker 2: is murder one. Again out on a limb debay. Under
30:59
Speaker 2: the law, there is no specific time required to prove
31:03
Speaker 2: malice of warthought, or as we call it, premeditation. Premeditation
31:08
Speaker 2: to commit an act can be formed in the blink
31:10
Speaker 2: of an eye, the twinkling of the moment. Isn't that true? Debate? Yes,
31:15
Speaker 2: it is, okay, So when you say the charges do
31:20
Speaker 2: not include intent, that's actually not correct. This is a
31:25
Speaker 2: murder one charge, isn't it.
31:26
Speaker 7: Yes, No, I didn't say that it was not intentional.
31:30
Speaker 7: What I'm saying is it wasn't planned in pre medi this.
31:32
Speaker 2: You did, didn't he say that? Control room. Didn't he
31:36
Speaker 2: just say that. They're saying, yes, you did just say that.
31:40
Speaker 7: Well, then I retract.
31:41
Speaker 2: We've got it on tape. Do I have to play
31:42
Speaker 2: it back for you for Pete's say, Like the gas
31:44
Speaker 2: station video.
31:46
Speaker 7: Is absolutely an intentional act, but it was not planned
31:49
Speaker 7: and premeditated. In other words, it was for the moment.
31:52
Speaker 7: There's a difference.
31:53
Speaker 2: Murder one is premeditated murder. I feel like I'm screaming
31:58
Speaker 2: at a lamppost. Yes it is murder. One is with
32:03
Speaker 2: malice a forethought.
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Speaker 7: Malice of four thoughts standing alone does not necessarily mean premeditated.
32:09
Speaker 7: It's a separate element.
32:11
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, okay, what do you think malicea four
32:14
Speaker 2: thought is? Because I'm looking at black Slaw dictionary right now,
32:17
Speaker 2: go ahead. I can't wait to hear this. What do
32:18
Speaker 2: you think malice? The fourth thought is?
32:21
Speaker 7: Malisa? Four thought is intentional killing? That's the bottom line.
32:25
Speaker 1: Either yes, that's right.
32:27
Speaker 5: In two.
32:29
Speaker 7: It is however, yes, that's right.
32:32
Speaker 2: It's intentional killing. You form intent, you have a plan.
32:39
Speaker 7: Not necessarily absolutely not.
32:45
Speaker 2: I'm wasting very valuable time arguing with you about what
32:50
Speaker 2: you just admitted these charges and correct me if I'm wrong.
32:53
Speaker 2: Killer Brantley joining us from dallymail dot com on this
32:57
Speaker 2: from the very very beginning, Kilo Brantley, he Nick Reiner
33:02
Speaker 2: is charged with premeditated malice murder. That is what first
33:07
Speaker 2: degree murder is. He is also charged with felony murder.
33:13
Speaker 2: That's an alternative count, which means you don't have intent.
33:18
Speaker 2: The state doesn't have to prove you had intent, but
33:22
Speaker 2: a death occurred very simply during the commission of a felony.
33:28
Speaker 2: In this case, that felony would clearly be aggravated assault
33:31
Speaker 2: with a knife. You don't have to have intent to
33:33
Speaker 2: prove felony murder, just that a death occurred during the
33:37
Speaker 2: commission of a felony. And a sentence for felony murder
33:42
Speaker 2: can be life without parole or death penalty. Again, tell
33:46
Speaker 2: me the charge is, Kila Brantley.
33:50
Speaker 6: It's two first degree murder charges. There's the special circumstance
33:55
Speaker 6: and the special weapon charge right there. And like you said,
33:59
Speaker 6: either life in prison without the possibility of parole or
34:03
Speaker 6: the death penalty.
34:04
Speaker 5: Nick Reiner will be then brought to court. He is
34:07
Speaker 5: going through medical clearance, something that everybody who goes who
34:11
Speaker 5: gets arrested and gets held in the Los Angeles County
34:14
Speaker 5: Sheriff's Department jail goes through. Once he is medically cleared,
34:18
Speaker 5: he will be brought to court to be arraigned on
34:20
Speaker 5: these charges. At that point, he will enter a plea
34:24
Speaker 5: of guilty or not guilty.
34:26
Speaker 2: Kila Brantley joining us dailymail dot com. Why was he
34:29
Speaker 2: a no show in court?
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Speaker 6: According to Reiner's lawyer, Alan Jackson, he wasn't medically cleared
34:35
Speaker 6: to appear in court. Now, we don't know exactly what
34:38
Speaker 6: that means, but as you heard there, that's something that's
34:40
Speaker 6: very standard. Everyone needs to get medically cleared. Now, this
34:44
Speaker 6: could be a psych evaluation, it could be a regular
34:48
Speaker 6: medical evaluation.
34:49
Speaker 2: We're still finding that out. It could be him refusing
34:52
Speaker 2: to put his clothes on. It could be him clinging
34:55
Speaker 2: to his bunk and refusing to get We don't know
34:58
Speaker 2: what it is. Debay, what is the reason that he
35:02
Speaker 2: was not quote medically cleared? Don't make something up? Okay,
35:08
Speaker 2: he missed court?
35:09
Speaker 7: Why I'm telling you. When he got booked, they brought
35:12
Speaker 7: him to the Twin Towers Correctional Facility and they put
35:16
Speaker 7: him in the medical unit. My hunch is, and it's
35:18
Speaker 7: just based on my years of doing this stuff that
35:21
Speaker 7: when they arrested him they felt he was a danger
35:23
Speaker 7: to himself or to others still, so they put him
35:26
Speaker 7: under What's my guess is they put him under what's
35:28
Speaker 7: called a fifty one to fifty status, where it's basically
35:32
Speaker 7: an involuntary hole for a minimum of seventy two hours
35:35
Speaker 7: unlessen until he is cleared by a doctor, and that
35:38
Speaker 7: includes going to court. If he is still psychotic, he
35:42
Speaker 7: cannot be brought to court. So my hunch is that
35:45
Speaker 7: they needed to medicate him to therapeutic levels, at least
35:48
Speaker 7: in the short term, so he could be brought to
35:51
Speaker 7: court for the arraignment. If they need to extend the hold,
35:54
Speaker 7: they can do it, I believe up to two weeks.
35:57
Speaker 7: Anything beyond that they have to go into court the
35:59
Speaker 7: Mental Health for an order extending the involuntary hold pending arraignment.
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Speaker 2: Jaquela Brantley, have you heard anything at all about him
36:09
Speaker 2: being in psychosis suicide watch? What do you know if
36:14
Speaker 2: anything about that?
36:16
Speaker 6: Not yet, we haven't heard anything about his current status.
36:18
Speaker 6: But what we have found out from family friends of
36:21
Speaker 6: the Rhiners, people who knew him his entire life, is
36:24
Speaker 6: that from an early age he appeared to be a
36:27
Speaker 6: difficult child through tantrums. One of the sources has heard
36:31
Speaker 6: that I say he had a finger in his eyes
36:34
Speaker 6: and at some point his father, Rob Reiner, would have
36:36
Speaker 6: to restrain him during these tantrums, and that those tantrums
36:40
Speaker 6: really progressed into adulthood.
36:42
Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall, Just because Nick Reiner has been booked
36:46
Speaker 2: into Twin Towers, that means nothing to me. Other people,
36:50
Speaker 2: other celebrities have been there Cosby, Bill Cosby, OJ Simpson,
36:57
Speaker 2: al Capone, Ted Bundy Bird out of Alcatraz, Bernie Madoff
37:02
Speaker 2: who worked the world's largest Ponzi scheme. He certainly wasn't crazy.
37:08
Speaker 2: He was brilliant, evil, but brilliant, and many many others
37:13
Speaker 2: that how Debey is extrapolating because he went to Twin
37:16
Speaker 2: Towers must mean he's on a psychiatric hold. That doesn't
37:21
Speaker 2: make sense. What do you think is happening, Doctor Bethany,
37:25
Speaker 2: Another tantrum.
37:26
Speaker 8: Another tantrum out of an abundance of caution. They're going
37:29
Speaker 8: to make sure he doesn't want to harm himself or
37:31
Speaker 8: other people. But he's not a risk there. What I'm
37:34
Speaker 8: going to say is when you diagnose people, you can
37:37
Speaker 8: diagnose them on five axes. Access one is mental disorders.
37:42
Speaker 8: Access to is personality disorders. They're treating him like he
37:46
Speaker 8: has a mental disorder, but Nancy, this is personality driven.
37:50
Speaker 8: He had tantrums from the time he was very little.
37:53
Speaker 8: According to one report, when he was eleven years old,
37:58
Speaker 8: he had such a huge tantrum than his father had
38:02
Speaker 8: to put him in a big bear hug and hold
38:05
Speaker 8: him to help him regulate down into a normal state.
38:10
Speaker 8: Could it be that.
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Speaker 2: Nick Bethany is Bethany? Can I tell you something please
38:17
Speaker 2: before you say one more word before we hear any more?
38:21
Speaker 2: Made up theories from Philip Dbay, and he wins a
38:24
Speaker 2: lot of cases on arguments just like this. By the way,
38:27
Speaker 2: Paris Hilton, who has since become quite the hero on
38:31
Speaker 2: various fronts and now is a married mom. Paris Hilton
38:36
Speaker 2: was put in the Twin Towers after violating probation from
38:41
Speaker 2: a dui. She was put there because she was quote claustrophobic.
38:47
Speaker 2: All right, So all of Dubay spinning out his theories,
38:53
Speaker 2: that's not supported by the facts we know tonight. He
38:56
Speaker 2: just happened to be booked into Twin Towers. It's in
38:58
Speaker 2: that jurisdiction, So that really means nothing to me probatively
39:04
Speaker 2: at this juncture. But I do know he's hired a
39:07
Speaker 2: very high profile lawyer, Alan Jackson.
39:11
Speaker 9: We'll be back day to day.
39:12
Speaker 3: The bailiff has indicated that the Sherif's department will take
39:14
Speaker 3: it on a day, day by day.
39:16
Speaker 5: Basis, and so hopefully will be food tomorrow that you
39:19
Speaker 5: can get.
39:20
Speaker 2: Again from our friends at Fox News Digital, Sidney Sumner.
39:23
Speaker 2: Who is paying for him?
39:27
Speaker 9: That is the million dollar question. I don't think his
39:30
Speaker 9: siblings are footing the bill, and I don't know what
39:34
Speaker 9: kind of funds he has access to that don't belong
39:36
Speaker 9: to his parents. So it's very unclear where Alan Jackson
39:40
Speaker 9: is going to get his paycheck from.
39:42
Speaker 2: Two special guests joining us now doctor Kendall Crown's renowned
39:46
Speaker 2: chief medical examiner out of Terrant County, that's Fort Worth.
39:50
Speaker 2: He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of
39:52
Speaker 2: Medicine at TCU, and he's the star of a hit
39:55
Speaker 2: view podcast, Mayhem and the Morgue. But be filled by
40:00
Speaker 2: his joviality on his podcast. He has conducted thousands and
40:05
Speaker 2: thousands of autopsies. Dodger Kendle Crowns, thank you for being
40:10
Speaker 2: with us, Doctor Crowns. There is a big difference in
40:14
Speaker 2: stab wounds and the slicing of his parents' throats. What
40:19
Speaker 2: would the stab wounds to the body, not the slicing
40:23
Speaker 2: of the throats indicate to you?
40:27
Speaker 12: So stab wound is a wound that is actually longer,
40:31
Speaker 12: longer than it or the wound itself the shorter than
40:34
Speaker 12: it is deep. So as the knife enters into the skin,
40:38
Speaker 12: it leaves a wound that is very small, but the
40:41
Speaker 12: actual wound course is very deep. The wounds they're describing
40:45
Speaker 12: on the rhiners is a slashing wound or in sized
40:49
Speaker 12: wound that is longer than it is deep. So it's
40:52
Speaker 12: kind of a shallow wound that hits multiple organs or
40:56
Speaker 12: multiple vessels, but doesn't go very deep into the tissues.
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Speaker 2: Well, let me understand something, doctor Kingdal Crowns. Even though
41:05
Speaker 2: the slicing mession you just made doesn't have to be deep,
41:09
Speaker 2: in fact, it can be quite shallow. That would likely
41:13
Speaker 2: be the mortal wound. And why.
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Speaker 12: So the vessels are the structures in your neck, prodded artery,
41:22
Speaker 12: jugular vein your trachea, they're all very close to the
41:25
Speaker 12: surface like millimeters or less than a quarter inch below
41:30
Speaker 12: your skin. You have these vital structures. You hit the
41:33
Speaker 12: croted archery, it's going to start spurting blood out, and
41:36
Speaker 12: it's going to be lots of blood coming on in
41:38
Speaker 12: a very short period of time. You'll be dead in minutes.
41:41
Speaker 12: If you just hit the jugular vein, it'll start oozing heavily,
41:45
Speaker 12: and again you'll be dead in minutes. You cut the
41:48
Speaker 12: cut the trachia, you're going to have trouble breathing. And
41:52
Speaker 12: when you cut the trachia, you'll also cut blood vessels.
41:54
Speaker 12: You'll get blood into your trachea. So when you're dying,
41:57
Speaker 12: you're sucking in blood and you're basically drowning in your
42:00
Speaker 12: own blood as you're bleeding to death.
42:02
Speaker 2: Doctor Kennel Crowns, we know that when their daughter Roamy
42:05
Speaker 2: arrived and called authorities. The fire department arrived and they
42:11
Speaker 2: stated that the writers were already in full rigor. That
42:16
Speaker 2: tells me at approximate time of death. Could you explain so.
42:20
Speaker 12: Rigor mortis is the stiffening of the joints that occurs
42:24
Speaker 12: after you die, and what happens is is your muscles
42:28
Speaker 12: continue to use these the things they use fro me
42:32
Speaker 12: metabolism even after you die, and when they run out
42:35
Speaker 12: of these substances, they go into full contraction. And this
42:39
Speaker 12: can start occurring in about a half hour to an
42:42
Speaker 12: hour after death and gets to a maximum about twelve hours.
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Speaker 12: So it starts in the small muscles first and then
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Speaker 12: goes to the larger muscles throughout your body. So if
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Speaker 12: you see full rigor, it could be about twelve hours,
42:55
Speaker 12: but it can be affected by activity, drug use, how
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Speaker 12: much blood loss you've had, a number of other factors,
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Speaker 12: how warm it is in the house. So using it
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Speaker 12: as an exact time frame for the post wornum interval
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Speaker 12: is difficult.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Attending the premiere of Life Larry in the Pursuit of
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Speaker 2: Unhappiness must have been excruciating for Jake Reiner, his brother
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Speaker 2: behind bars in the murders of their beloved parents, Nick
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Speaker 2: and Michelle Reiner, because I'm sure he tried his best
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Speaker 2: to put on a happy face, but inside he must
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Speaker 2: have been imagining how his parents should have been there
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Speaker 2: as well. What happened the night they were murdered. The
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Speaker 2: rigor breaks and the deceased limbs become limber again.
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Speaker 12: Yes, after the twelve hour interval. After the twelve hour
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Speaker 12: interval of its setting up, you'll stay in full rigor
44:09
Speaker 12: for about ten to twelve hours, and after that it
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Speaker 12: starts to subside and disappears over another twelve hours unless
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Speaker 12: someone moves it and breaks the rigor up manually, and
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Speaker 12: then it goes away completely. So you have about a
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Speaker 12: twenty four hour window of full rigor before it disappears.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Is it twelve hours or twenty four hours?
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Speaker 12: So twelve hours is set up, ten to twelve hours
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Speaker 12: after it sets up where it stays in place, and
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Speaker 12: then after that it begins to subside over another.
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Speaker 2: Twelve hours, okay. Dodger Kendall Crowns. What type of defensive
44:44
Speaker 2: wounds would you have expected to be found on the
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Speaker 2: shell and Rob Reiner's bodies. We've heard nothing about defensive
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Speaker 2: wounds such as blocking with the hands, the arms, even
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Speaker 2: curling up in a fetal position and getting defensive wounds
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Speaker 2: on the knees or the legs. I've heard nothing about that.
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Speaker 2: I've only heard about stabs we believe to the torso.
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Speaker 12: So since they were in bed and may have been
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Speaker 12: in sleep, they could have not even seen this coming
45:13
Speaker 12: and not had an opportunity to react. Since there's two individuals,
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Speaker 12: at least one individual probably was awoken by the other
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Speaker 12: individual being killed and may have had a chance to
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Speaker 12: defend themselves. They usually defensive wounds is what you see
45:26
Speaker 12: as the individual trying to grab the knife and trying
45:28
Speaker 12: not to be stabbed, and you'll see slices or in
45:31
Speaker 12: sized wounds across the fingers, across the palm of the hand.
45:35
Speaker 12: And then you'll see also in size wounds or stab
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Speaker 12: wounds of the forearms as they're trying to block the
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Speaker 12: block the knife of themselves. And again, like you said,
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Speaker 12: you may pull up your legs even and you'll see
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Speaker 12: stab wounds or in size wounds on the legs and feet.
45:51
Speaker 2: Do we able to just forget that Rob Rider was
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Speaker 2: on this list? Or what now he's dead? What the
45:58
Speaker 2: zany conspiracy theories have already started? Sidney Sumner, a Crime
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Speaker 2: Stories investigative reporter. I don't recall Rob Reiner's name being
46:05
Speaker 2: on the Epstein list, by the way, that's from at
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Speaker 2: Hunter Montross on TikTok.
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Speaker 9: Sid Well, the list that that user is standing in
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Speaker 9: front of is not real. That is a faith list
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Speaker 9: that has been circulating on social media, and Rob Reiner's
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Speaker 9: name is on that fake list and circled, but there's
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Speaker 9: no actual evidence supporting that he had any types to
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Speaker 9: Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 2: So sorry, Hunter, your Zeni conspiracy theory doesn't hold water.
46:33
Speaker 2: Rob Reiner was not on the Epstein list for Pete's sake,
46:36
Speaker 2: but there's no lack of theories. Maybe Philip Dubay can
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Speaker 2: use these as the defense listen.
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Speaker 15: Rob had been working on a series called The Spy
46:45
Speaker 15: and the Asset. The series was going to be about
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Speaker 15: Putin and Donald Trump, their upbringings, different ways they intersected,
46:51
Speaker 15: and in Rob's words, what happens to democracy as a
46:55
Speaker 15: result of this convergence. That relationship of Trump and Putin
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Speaker 15: being explored and extrapolated and navigated is going to bring
47:03
Speaker 15: a whole lot of corruption up to the surface.
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Speaker 2: Right that From at Studio A eight on TikTok to
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Speaker 2: Scott Iiker joining us, who was a founding member of
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Speaker 2: the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team, Scott, I think I'd
47:18
Speaker 2: rather rely not on zany conspiracy theories. I will leave
47:21
Speaker 2: that to our veterman trial lawyer, Phillip Debay Scott, I'd
47:26
Speaker 2: rather deal with hard facts. How difficult is it going
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Speaker 2: to be for me to trace Nick Reiner's cell phone?
47:36
Speaker 2: Where he went that night, any credit card or atm
47:41
Speaker 2: use and what was it for? I need to track
47:46
Speaker 2: not only his phone, but where there was a delay.
47:49
Speaker 2: Even in the Alex Murdog case where Murdoch murdered his
47:53
Speaker 2: wife Maggie and son Paul as he left the scene,
47:57
Speaker 2: I got from his well. Prosecutor got from his nav
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Speaker 2: system where he slowed down and the nav system showed
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Speaker 2: Scott iiker him lowering the passenger side window electronically. That's
48:11
Speaker 2: where he threw out Maggie's cell phone. Then he let
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Speaker 2: the window up, sped up and went and hit out
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Speaker 2: at his mother's house, who had dementia and really could
48:21
Speaker 2: not say what time he got there. That said, that's
48:25
Speaker 2: what I'm looking for. You know, this guy didn't think
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Speaker 2: deeply enough to turn his phone on airplane mode or
48:31
Speaker 2: turn it off when he discarded of the knife. So
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Speaker 2: how am I going to find the knife?
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Speaker 14: It sure does look like a crime of passion in
48:44
Speaker 14: those instances. A lot of times the suspects do not
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Speaker 14: turn off their phones, don't think ahead like that once
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Speaker 14: you get the identified, identifying information about the suspect, phone records,
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Speaker 14: vehicle records, credit cards. Is really interesting how you can
49:05
Speaker 14: put a timeline together and kind of piece together all
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Speaker 14: the things that happened before and after the crime.
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Speaker 2: Hey, Scott Iiker, you and I have both marveled at
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Speaker 2: the video montage put together by l E law enforcement
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Speaker 2: in the Photusdulo's case. They got him every which way
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Speaker 2: but loose on video from ring doorbell cams to stop
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Speaker 2: like cam. This is after his wife, Jennifer, the mother
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Speaker 2: of his five children, was murdered. I'm thinking that this
49:36
Speaker 2: neighborhood is blanketed in ring doorbell and stop like cam,
49:41
Speaker 2: you name it. I bet they can follow him almost
49:44
Speaker 2: everywhere he went. And if he took an uber or
49:47
Speaker 2: share a right share, there may be video in there
49:51
Speaker 2: that can help me track him and find the knife.
49:55
Speaker 2: That said, here's another zany theory. Listen up, do beey.
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Speaker 15: Nick Rayner, who is allegedly the murderer in this case,
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Speaker 15: the son of Robin Michelle, who killed both of his parents. Allegedly,
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Speaker 15: his name did not appear on Google trends really at all.
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Speaker 15: Here's it. In the United States, the United States, Nick Reiner,
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Speaker 15: nothing nothing. This is showing starting yesterday fourteenth, So that
50:18
Speaker 15: was the United States. This is what happens when you
50:19
Speaker 15: look up the exact same query and only changed the
50:22
Speaker 15: GIO location to be tel Aviv instead of the United States.
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Speaker 15: Nick Reiner, tel Aviv. Nothing nothing, nothing. Oh, look at
50:29
Speaker 15: that two bumps a couple months ago, last month. Interesting,
50:35
Speaker 15: all of a sudden bumps.
50:37
Speaker 2: I can from s Studio eight on TikTok So debate.
50:42
Speaker 2: I guess she's arguing, you may want to take notes
50:44
Speaker 2: to put this in with your drugs like coasts theory
50:48
Speaker 2: that he what is actually a spy she's mentioning tel Aviv.
50:52
Speaker 2: I don't know what that has to do with. Maybe
50:53
Speaker 2: he's an avatar, maybe he's a ghost, maybe he doesn't
50:56
Speaker 2: even exist. Then who's that sitting in the twin Tower?
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Speaker 7: I gotta tell you, I think it's genius because if
51:03
Speaker 7: we're all honest, it forms the basis of the not
51:05
Speaker 7: guilty by reason of insanity defense. If he truly thinks
51:09
Speaker 7: that he's going to be beamed up by the starship
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Speaker 7: Enterprise and he's got all kinds of wild imagining.
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Speaker 2: Nobody said that. You said that. What else would he
51:18
Speaker 2: He just didn't have a Google profile, he had no
51:19
Speaker 2: social media profile. The fact that, and now you're claiming
51:24
Speaker 2: you've got another psychosis defense because he's not a social media.
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Speaker 7: No, not because of that.
51:30
Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm happy you said that. I couldn't be
51:33
Speaker 2: more happy. I hope he used that at trial. Hey,
51:36
Speaker 2: just to throw this into your crazy pot.
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Speaker 15: To Steve Listen, Donald Trump got on True Social and
51:42
Speaker 15: said this, which is horrific and tonally and timeline wise
51:47
Speaker 15: to me, does seem like a confession. He's listed motive
51:52
Speaker 15: right there, means doesn't even need to be explained. And
51:56
Speaker 15: the funny thing is he got on camera today and
51:59
Speaker 15: doubled on it again, specifically the part with Russia. He
52:03
Speaker 15: was like, he's trying to look into this and dig
52:05
Speaker 15: all this stuff up, and as you know, it's always
52:07
Speaker 15: the opposite, where like there's nothing weird there. It's just
52:10
Speaker 15: so blatantly obvious.
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Speaker 2: At Studio eight on TikTok So, Dr Bethany Marshall, I
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Speaker 2: don't think that's going to help Alan Jackson at this juncture,
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Speaker 2: that Trump confess to a motive.
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Speaker 8: No, it is not. I mean, conspiracy theorists take something
52:32
Speaker 8: that is sort of benign. I hate to call domestic
52:35
Speaker 8: comicide benign, but it does happen, and they try to
52:39
Speaker 8: spin a whole theory out of it, to try to
52:42
Speaker 8: make it a part of a predictable universe.
52:44
Speaker 9: But it's not.
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Speaker 8: You know, people love to form patterns, and so conspiracy
52:50
Speaker 8: theorists will try to form a pattern out of an outlier,
52:54
Speaker 8: like domestic homicide, and that's all this is. They're just
52:58
Speaker 8: trying to form a pattern, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: The fact that Jake Reiner has made a very rare
53:04
Speaker 2: public appearance in No Waste signals that he and his
53:08
Speaker 2: sister have healed after the murders of their parents. I
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Speaker 2: imagine he attended the premiere of Larry David's new HBO
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Speaker 2: series on behalf of his murdered parents. I understand they
53:24
Speaker 2: were very dear friends of Larry David's. Jake Riner's parents
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Speaker 2: were stolen from him forever We wait as just as
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Speaker 2: unfals Nancy Gray's Crimes story, signing off,