Latest / You're Overqualified Podcast - Career and Leadership Strategies for Women / 96. How to Make Career Moves Without Second-Guessing Everything
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- 0:08Hi, I'm Danny Tan and if you are here, you are in the right
- 0:11place. Welcome to the Pivot and
- 0:13Promotion podcast where we say forget the rules because they
- 0:16weren't written for us. I'm Danny Tan, I'm your host as
- 0:19well as career and leadership coach and a proud advocate for
- 0:21redefining what success and leadership looks like.
- 0:24And here's what I know. You can lead at any level, you
- 0:27can pivot at any age, and you can make moves that feel right
- 0:30for you, whether you're climbing the perfect ladder, starting
- 0:33something completely new, or just figuring out your next
- 0:35step. I've got you covered with
- 0:36strategies, stories and straight up inspiration.
- 0:39So let's make some moves. Hello.
- 0:47So today we're going to be talking about how to make a
- 0:50career move or any move without second guessing every little
- 0:53bit. So a lot of us will get stuck in
- 0:55the overwhelm or spinning out or in a loop when it comes to
- 0:59making a decision that may feel really big to us.
- 1:03Whether that may sound big or not, it just feels big to us in
- 1:06general. And it could be a career move,
- 1:08it could be a life change. And so how can we kind of do
- 1:11that without constantly living in the wondering of the what
- 1:14ifs? And so I'm going to take you
- 1:16through a framework that I use with my clients.
- 1:17I call it the ABC framework. It's very simple ABC framework
- 1:22and we'll break down what they each mean, but it really is to
- 1:25help you start to build confidence, build evidence and
- 1:28be able to make a strategic decision without constantly
- 1:31living in the fear and the overthinking that may show up.
- 1:34So each phase is going to have a very clear step, an example from
- 1:38one of my clients with a result as well as a reflection to help
- 1:41support it. So let's go ahead and get
- 1:44started. So for the first part, for part
- 1:47A of the ABC plan is plan A. So I always say like go big.
- 1:52And this could be something that you have been like dreaming into
- 1:55thinking of or had a goal for. And So what it is, it's I want
- 1:59you to clarify what it is that you actually want that you want
- 2:02to go after like big time, not what feels safe, not what feels
- 2:07like achievable, not what feels practical, not what feels
- 2:10doable. I don't want any of those like
- 2:12things in this part. I want your plan A to be like,
- 2:15if I could dream a really, really big, what is it that I
- 2:18ideally want? And so for you, this could be
- 2:20something career specific, it could be something personally or
- 2:24life specific. What could it be for you?
- 2:27And so some examples of folks that I've had who have had the
- 2:31dream big version for themselves have been to quit their
- 2:34corporate job and to build a Wellness business, to quit their
- 2:37corporate job and to build a marketing consulting business.
- 2:41It has been to be able to become a speaker on a bigger level
- 2:45while it was still at their corporate job.
- 2:47It's been able to go for that big promotion.
- 2:50It's been to go for that bigger salary.
- 2:52So it's been able just to be comfortable with visibility and
- 2:55presenting. There's so many like a big
- 2:58things that folks have really been dreaming into, whether it's
- 3:02been moving across the country from like the East Coast to the
- 3:05West Coast or vice versa, being able to make a big career pivot.
- 3:09So just thinking about not what's practical, not what is
- 3:13like safe, but what is it that you really want to go after?
- 3:15Because a lot of the times from a, from a good place, we are
- 3:20thought conditioned or kind of told or believe that in order
- 3:25for us to go after something, we have to make sure that it's
- 3:28achievable. And so sometimes when that
- 3:31happens, even though it's for the safety of our minds to
- 3:34protect us, to go after what feels safe, it actually hinders
- 3:37us in a way because we take that step for something that is safe
- 3:41and then we're in it. And then we're not happy still.
- 3:44So we sometimes will say, oh, you know, if I make this change,
- 3:46if I make this jump, I'll be happier.
- 3:49But when the change in the jump are not truly in alignment with
- 3:51what you want, then you find yourself doing the exercise all
- 3:54over again. So it's not to say that we can't
- 3:58constantly change and evolve, but sometimes we're like taking
- 4:01these little mini steps towards what we want versus actually
- 4:04going after what we really want. So why this matters?
- 4:06Because you can't build something towards what you
- 4:09really, really want if you have not named it and have truly been
- 4:12honest about it with yourself. And so how do you start?
- 4:16You need to remove the pressure of the practical and start with
- 4:20desire of what you truly, truly want.
- 4:22And then we're going to go ahead and reverse engineer it of how
- 4:25it can be, how it can come to be.
- 4:27And so, for example, I had a client who really wanted to make
- 4:32this big jump of leaving her corporate job and building her
- 4:35own business. And so for her, it was always
- 4:37like, well, what will be practical?
- 4:39What would be safe? You know, what, if I can't do
- 4:42that, I can't make it happen. But the biggest thing was like,
- 4:44hey, versus shutting all that down, why can't we make the big
- 4:49dream of what it is that you want to go into and start to
- 4:52take and reverse engineer and map out the steps that it takes
- 4:55when we're to get there without feeling like you are throwing
- 4:58everything out the window. I think that's that's really
- 5:00important. So how to make that happen?
- 5:02And so we were able to make that happen.
- 5:03She went from the moment we started working together to
- 5:06being really scared of being able to get certain marketing
- 5:08credentials in line to getting certain credentials for herself
- 5:11in line to literally a year later on the date having her
- 5:14business done with like hours that she had put into it that it
- 5:17is she has go ahead and gotten clients, everything like that.
- 5:20So it's just like so crazy what time can really do when you have
- 5:24a commitment to it and you're really working towards your
- 5:27goal. I've had clients also who wanted
- 5:29to pivot and it's like, Oh my gosh, I don't know.
- 5:31I don't have the certificate, I don't have this education.
- 5:33But it always comes back to the core thing of like, what is it
- 5:36that you really want to do? Because here's the thing, when
- 5:40you keep taking these sidesteps towards what you want to do, you
- 5:42start saying, well, it's not working.
- 5:43It's not, it's not happening. Because if you are doing things
- 5:47that are not truly in alignment with what you want, your energy
- 5:49is not there, you're not excited about it.
- 5:51And so you're kind of like half doing it and you're not really
- 5:54into it. So the biggest thing I would say
- 5:56is go big. So part of this ABC framework is
- 6:00Plan A, go big, think big, what is it that you really, really
- 6:04want? And then we start to reverse
- 6:05engineer to how to make it happen and break it down.
- 6:07That is our whole job within coaching.
- 6:09And so the reflection that I have for you is what would you
- 6:13pursue if you didn't have to justify it to anyone, if you
- 6:18didn't have to rationalize it, given any reasons, given any
- 6:21explanations, what would you go after?
- 6:23What would you go big on and do if you didn't have to justify it
- 6:26to a single person? I'm super curious.
- 6:29Please, if you can share it with me, go ahead, drop it in
- 6:33LinkedIn, reply to one of the emails in the e-mail list and I
- 6:37will definitely respond. So go ahead and and share it.
- 6:39I'm curious now #2 is, you know, Plan B.
- 6:43So what do you do in Plan B for the framework?
- 6:47Plan B is for when it gets hard, OK?
- 6:49Because going after what you want and doing something big is
- 6:52not easy, and it's not for the faint of heart.
- 6:55So what Plan B is about? It's a strategy for when things
- 6:58don't go smoothly because they won't.
- 7:00That's a given. It's a given when you're doing
- 7:02something new. And so why this is important is
- 7:05because big moves come with challenges and that's when
- 7:09people want to quit, they want to give up, they want to say
- 7:12it's not working, but that is par for the course.
- 7:15If it was easy, it wouldn't be a goal and you wouldn't be doing
- 7:17it. So being able to plan for these
- 7:21challenges, these mishaps, these setbacks, that's what keeps you
- 7:26from quitting. So I always think Plan B is
- 7:28really important for like, what are you going to do when it gets
- 7:30hard and it's not easy. How do you identify a couple of
- 7:33things? So how to start and create this
- 7:35plan? How do you identify your stress
- 7:38points? So when do you get stressed?
- 7:40When do you get overwhelmed? When does your energy start to
- 7:43get like sucked up? So you can start to notice when
- 7:46that's happening and who or what do you need to to help you keep
- 7:49grounded when that happens? Do you think you need to slow
- 7:53down? What happens when things get
- 7:55messy? What happened when things get
- 7:56unclear? What happens when you get
- 7:58stressed out? Identify when these emotions and
- 8:01feelings are coming up and then create a safety plan.
- 8:05So what is your support plan for yourself to support you when
- 8:08these emotions and thoughts and feelings come up?
- 8:10Is it journaling? Is it collecting the receipts of
- 8:14all the things that you have done well for yourself and that
- 8:17you are able to do and accomplish to help remind you?
- 8:20Is it being able to slow down for a week and support yourself
- 8:23or whatever that may be of like movement or talking to a friend
- 8:26or taking a break from what it is you're going after?
- 8:28But just making sure that knowing, knowing that going into
- 8:32any kind of goal or thing you were trying to achieve will get
- 8:36hard. That comes with it.
- 8:38So what are you going to do when it's hard?
- 8:39What are you going to do when those challenges go come up?
- 8:42What are you going to do when you think you want to quit or
- 8:44things aren't working? How will you support yourself?
- 8:46And you have to be able to identify when these emotions are
- 8:50coming up and how to support yourself.
- 8:52No one is saying that you should not feel these feelings.
- 8:55And no one is saying that you never will feel these feelings.
- 8:57I'm saying that they're going to happen.
- 8:59And so be able to have this Plan B to support yourself is so
- 9:02important. I constantly talk to my clients
- 9:04about we need to create a support plan.
- 9:06The support plan has to be to help you if you are feeling
- 9:10overwhelmed, if you're feeling burnt out, if you're feeling
- 9:12like you want to quit, if you're feeling like nothing is working.
- 9:15This is so important because things will happen.
- 9:19It comes with it every single time I have.
- 9:21There is no client who's ever told me it's not working.
- 9:24They're always going to tell. There's always at some point
- 9:26we're in coaching like it's not working.
- 9:27I'm stuck. I don't know if I can do it.
- 9:29I want to quit. That's always going to happen.
- 9:30That's why you hire a coach, right?
- 9:32You hire a coach because if you're left to your own devices,
- 9:35you're like, I don't know if I would do it because it's tough.
- 9:37It's tough and you're looking for the guidance.
- 9:38So for example, I have a client who we always call it the messy
- 9:43middle. My good friend Lo created the
- 9:46term the messy middle, at least in my friend group, she did.
- 9:49And it's so true. Is that like there is going to
- 9:52be the messy middle where you feel like nothing is working?
- 9:55I always use this example for my clients, which I had read in a
- 9:57book somewhere of a study that was done, that when you're a
- 10:00marathon runner at the beginning of the race, you're excited,
- 10:02you're exhilarated because you just started.
- 10:04So you were like full of energy, you were going.
- 10:06Then you get to the middle of the marathon and you start to
- 10:08slow down. You start to lose your energy.
- 10:11Your mindset is starting to to get tested because you can't see
- 10:13the finish line. Then at the end of the race,
- 10:16they said that they see in the study that the the runners will
- 10:19start to pick up pace again because they can see the finish
- 10:22line. So since they can see it
- 10:23visually, it makes it easier. So when you're in the middle and
- 10:26you don't see the finish line and it feels really daunting and
- 10:29far away and like it's, if it doesn't exist, you are going to
- 10:32want to quit. And so it's super important to
- 10:34kind of figure out what can you do to create that, the
- 10:37consistency, those little steps forward, forward, forward, even
- 10:40when you feel like you can't see the end.
- 10:42And so I don't even like there, there's endless client examples
- 10:47about this because almost every single client has faces.
- 10:49I have faces too. Because anytime you're trying to
- 10:52achieve something or go after something that feels
- 10:54uncomfortable, it feels like it's not possible.
- 10:57And it feels like it's not possible.
- 10:59We almost want to like give up of like, is it going to ever
- 11:01happen? And so the client that I'm going
- 11:03to, I'm going to think of here would be one of my clients was
- 11:08applying for a job. She was living in California and
- 11:11she wanted to get a job in New York.
- 11:13And she was worried that she wasn't able to get a job in New
- 11:15York. And she was up for a promotion
- 11:17in California that would move her to LA, which she did not
- 11:21want to move to. And so she's like, I have until
- 11:24the end of the month to get a job in New York because I need
- 11:27to do it before I'm up for this promotion.
- 11:29I have to move to another city within California.
- 11:32So she was applying for jobs, She was networking, she was
- 11:34doing everything. And she was like, I don't think
- 11:35it's gonna happen. I don't think it's gonna happen.
- 11:37And I was like, let's look at the data, right?
- 11:39Like you have, how many people have you talked to?
- 11:43How many calls have you had for referrals?
- 11:46How many interviews have you done?
- 11:47How many applications have you done?
- 11:48We had a look at the facts and be like, OK, so like, this
- 11:51output yielded this return for you, right?
- 11:53So if you're trying to get to the end of the month, this is
- 11:55what you're gonna have to do numbers wise.
- 11:56And so for her, she just like was grounding her in that piece,
- 12:00but then also being like, how are you going to support
- 12:02yourself, right? Like in the sense of like the
- 12:04emotions that are coming up of the fears we have to think
- 12:07about, you know, mindset wise is telling yourself it's never
- 12:12going to happen. How does that help support you?
- 12:14I asked this to everybody here saying to yourself, there are no
- 12:18jobs out there. How does that support you
- 12:21saying, oh, it's never going to happen?
- 12:24How does that support you? And I'm super curious because
- 12:27when we are in that energy, we're in that space and we're
- 12:29telling ourselves that there are no jobs out there, that it's
- 12:33never going to happen. Well, then why are you here?
- 12:35You know, like that's that's not the take to take.
- 12:38And so knowing that for her, she was like, you're right.
- 12:41I'm sitting in this energy that is not going to be helpful for
- 12:43me. I have and she had made a career
- 12:45pivot before. She's like, I've made a pivot
- 12:47before. I know how to get a job.
- 12:48I've gotten a job before. I have the skills like to go
- 12:51into route back into her why and her skills and her expertise and
- 12:54her experience was her support plan as well as looking at the
- 12:58data and the numbers of what she's done before.
- 13:00And that's what got her out of that emotionally of like, I'm
- 13:03just going to give it my all. I'm just going to keep trying.
- 13:06And that is what moved her. And guess what, y'all, she got a
- 13:10new job, she new to New York City where she wanted to go.
- 13:13She got the job that she was really, really excited about and
- 13:15she got a 50K salary increase. So you know, one minute she's
- 13:19like nothing's ever going to happen, the next minute she made
- 13:21everything happen and more. And it's not that everyone gets
- 13:25a guarantee that's going to happen.
- 13:26But here is The thing is that when you have unhelpful thoughts
- 13:29coming up or unhelpful emotions coming up, it's not to squash
- 13:33them, it's to understand why they are coming up and what they
- 13:36mean. If it's a fear, if it is an
- 13:38insecurity, whatever it may be. And then to help support that
- 13:42thought or that emotion or that unhelpful thing.
- 13:44And then how can you help yourself move forward to what is
- 13:47you want to move forward to? Because those uncomfortable
- 13:49emotions, those uncomfortable thoughts are there for a reason.
- 13:53And so we need to acknowledge them and see what that is.
- 13:57But then also, how do we help support ourselves to then move
- 13:59through them, to go after what it is that we want and not let
- 14:01them stop us? They're supposed to be signals,
- 14:04not stop signs. And if they are stop signs,
- 14:07that's something for us to kind of stay with and kind of figure
- 14:09out. So Plan B is for when it gets
- 14:12hard. How are you going to support
- 14:13yourself? And so my reflection prompt for
- 14:17you will be, what support will you lean on when the process
- 14:21doesn't go as planned? So what support will you lean on
- 14:24when the process is not go as planned?
- 14:26I'm very curious, you know, let me know.
- 14:29Again, you can go through this reflection prompts any point in
- 14:31time. So then to be on LinkedIn and
- 14:32say, hey, I listened to this episode here, my reflection
- 14:35prompts for my AB plan of what you mentioned.
- 14:38I'm so curious to hear. Then plan C is the safety net.
- 14:43OK, so the safety net is the realistic fall back plan to keep
- 14:47you out of panic mode. So for example, when we have our
- 14:50plan A, which is like our big pie in the sky ideal dream
- 14:53without any restrictions, that is like our dreamiest of dreams,
- 14:57right? Then we have our Plan B, which
- 14:59is what do we do when it gets hard trying to achieve that?
- 15:02And then we have our plan C Plan C is the safety net.
- 15:04That's for our brains. That's a great security and
- 15:06safety because if we have had life past experiences when it
- 15:12comes to finances, when it comes to difficult challenges, when it
- 15:15comes to things that have let us down, it can feel very
- 15:18uncomfortable to our system to go after something so big and
- 15:23lofty. And when things get hard, we may
- 15:25panic or our brains may get scared.
- 15:28And so the plan C is to just help know that you have a backup
- 15:32plan if things don't go the way you want them to.
- 15:35And this is really so you can create safety for your brain so
- 15:39it knows that if things don't pan out, you have your backup
- 15:42plan. This matters so much.
- 15:46So when you have it, it keeps you out of the panic.
- 15:50It keeps you out of scarcity. And why it matters is because it
- 15:53helps you take risks and be able to take a risk to make a big
- 15:59jump because you know that you're going to be fine no
- 16:01matter what. And that's what's important.
- 16:02That's how you take a calculated risk.
- 16:05I'm very notoriously known about taking calculated risks and
- 16:09being able to, you know, be a risk taker, but it's because I
- 16:12do have in a very calculated strategic way for myself.
- 16:15So I feel safe with doing them. Hi, I'm Danny and I grew up in a
- 16:19life that was very much financially up and down on so
- 16:23many different levels. I did not grow up in financial
- 16:25abundance personally. And so for me, it's always
- 16:29important to have this piece because it's just how I am.
- 16:31It doesn't matter if you're somebody who's making hundreds
- 16:35of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars, millions of
- 16:37dollars now, if you came from a place of financial insecurity
- 16:40and then now you're you've created financial stability for
- 16:43yourself. If you try to take some kind of
- 16:45risk, that stuff will still pop up.
- 16:47You can go ahead and have all the healing and all the coaching
- 16:50and all the training by the end of the day, those emotions will
- 16:52come up in some way. And so my biggest thing,
- 16:54especially for women, especially for women of color, especially
- 16:57if you're first or second Gen., is how to create safety and the
- 17:00risk that you want to take so you're not holding yourself
- 17:03back. And so Plan C is all about that.
- 17:06It's how can you go ahead and create a plan that makes it
- 17:10safer to take risk. So how do you start depending on
- 17:14what you're doing, whether you're building a business, we
- 17:16are going after a new job, whether you're trying to make
- 17:19solo travel happen for you, I will always ask you like, hey,
- 17:24what is your real runway? So for example, if you're
- 17:26looking for a new job, like what is the runway of time that you
- 17:29have? What is the runway of finances
- 17:32that you have? So it's like time, money,
- 17:35energy, connections, like what support you may need in order to
- 17:38make these things happen. So for example, let's say you're
- 17:40trading a business and you want to go all in on your business.
- 17:44I'll ask you questions like, OK, like how long is your runway in
- 17:46the sense of like, how much money do you have before the
- 17:49money runs out? If you didn't hire a new client
- 17:51for six months, or are you able to take a part time job while
- 17:56you're building your business? Or are you able to stay in your
- 17:58corporate job while you're building your business?
- 18:00So you always have some kind of fall back plan.
- 18:02Or if you're going all in your business and you have three
- 18:05months of runway, what would be your your next backup if that
- 18:08money ran out? So always understanding that you
- 18:11have that safety plan, that backup plan to help create
- 18:14safety within your brain for the risk that you want to take.
- 18:17It's the same thing when it comes to the connections that
- 18:19you have, the energy that you have when you're trying to get a
- 18:22career pivot of like what step are you you're willing to take
- 18:24before you get to the job that you want?
- 18:26These are all really important things.
- 18:28So for example, I have a client who I have two different
- 18:33clients. I have one client who wanted to
- 18:35build her business and leave. I had another client who wanted
- 18:37to go ahead and build her business and stay.
- 18:40So for my client who wanted to build her business and quit her
- 18:43job, I let her know it's really important to have some kind of
- 18:47safety network that's like savings so you have some runway
- 18:50or a part time job or just staying in your corporate job.
- 18:53She was dead set on leaving. Nothing wrong with that
- 18:55whatsoever. She left her corporate job and
- 18:59she didn't have anything else financially to back her up.
- 19:02So a lot of stuff came up financial, these financial
- 19:05insecurities came up of like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to be in
- 19:08debt. I have to take out loans.
- 19:10What if I don't get any money coming in?
- 19:12Like a lot of fears came up. Now did we work through it and
- 19:15coach through it and support 100%.
- 19:17But The thing is that comes up is that all these emotions start
- 19:21coming up and you start to question like yourself worth and
- 19:23your value if it's tied to your work, you're starting to
- 19:25question if you can make your business happen.
- 19:27Like all these things come up versus what I typically try to
- 19:30recommend is my client who was building her business.
- 19:33I said to keep your corporate job and let's create an action
- 19:36plan of how to start to build your side business while you're
- 19:40in your corporate job and to get it to a certain point where it
- 19:43feels like it's sustainable, your side business that you
- 19:46could go into a full time. And so she's going showing up to
- 19:49each coaching call like not stressed out about money because
- 19:52she knows that she has money coming in from her corporate
- 19:54job. She's coming in every single
- 19:56coaching call, just taking the takeaways and the auction items
- 19:58to help support what her plan will be.
- 20:00And she's having opportunities come.
- 20:02It's a very, very different. Energy that shows up to your
- 20:05plan because you're not in this like need of like scarcity.
- 20:08I have to make things happen right now.
- 20:10It's the same thing with my job seekers.
- 20:12When I have somebody who comes in from a job who has either
- 20:15been laid off or they quit their job because it was really toxic
- 20:18and they have nothing else lined up.
- 20:20Every single time they're trying to apply for a job or they're
- 20:23trying to have a informational interview or network, there's a
- 20:28different energy that just shows up because they are in dire need
- 20:30of getting a new job. Maybe they don't have that much
- 20:32money saved or they only have a three or six month window and
- 20:36they're panicking to try to get something as quickly as
- 20:38possible. And then they start to feel like
- 20:40things are not working. And when you when you start to
- 20:41question the process, you show up differently versus my folks
- 20:45who have maybe more of a safety net, maybe they did get laid off
- 20:48or leave their job, but they have more saved or they don't
- 20:51feel as stressed, or maybe there's somebody who's at their
- 20:54current job and they're just exploring other options.
- 20:57They show up differently because every single application, every
- 21:00single interview doesn't feel like it's holding the keys to
- 21:03the world. You know, they can just show up
- 21:06to them so much differently and they have like this different
- 21:08level of confidence and energy that shows up to them where they
- 21:11continue to be like, you know what, I'm fine other way.
- 21:13And so being able to have the plan C, the safety net is so
- 21:17important to practice detachment in a healthy way.
- 21:20So if we continually attach to our goals, our value or like our
- 21:25livelihood, we show up so differently to the experience
- 21:29versus when we detach and say, that's my goal.
- 21:32I'm gonna do everything that I can and whatever happens,
- 21:34happens. That has been the biggest theme
- 21:36for it does not matter who it is that I'm coaching.
- 21:39It could be for a career pivot, it could be for a promotion, it
- 21:41could be for a salary increase. It could be for building a
- 21:44business, it could be for becoming nomadic.
- 21:47It always comes down to the fact of the people who are showing up
- 21:50with this energy of like everything matters and there's
- 21:53so much pressure on this. It's just it ends up taking them
- 21:56longer to get the result versus those who are like, I'm going to
- 21:59show up. I'm detached to it.
- 22:00I just know that I'm going to put my effort in that I can.
- 22:03And so that that's why I always like to create the safety plan
- 22:05of people so that way they can start to detach from this one
- 22:07outcome and know that no matter what, they have their back.
- 22:10That's something that's super important.
- 22:12And so my prompt for you in this one is if your first choice does
- 22:17not work out, how will you take care of yourself and stay in
- 22:20motion? This is all about knowing that
- 22:22you've got your own back and that you can take care of
- 22:24yourself no matter what. So hopefully this ABC framework
- 22:29can help you when it comes to second guessing, worrying about
- 22:33making a big decision, whether it is a career move or a life
- 22:36move in general. And when that fear, that
- 22:38overthinking starts to show up, being able to have this action
- 22:41plan for yourself of like, what is it that I really want, what
- 22:44I'm going to do when it gets hard and how can I back myself
- 22:46up no matter what can help kind of ease the fears, the
- 22:50insecurities, the thoughts that may come up for you.
- 22:52So hopefully you found this helpful and I will be here again
- 22:56and next week. And if you have any questions
- 22:58when it comes to coaching, working together or any more of
- 23:01these frameworks or strategies, I recommend that you join the
- 23:03e-mail list, which is in the link of this podcast episode or
- 23:06go to mywebsite@dannytan.com. That's DANITA n.com and I will
- 23:12talk to you soon. All right, have a good.