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'COOL MOM' Has Teens DRINK, PERFORM SEX ACTS; MORE DISTURBING COMPUTER SEARCHES · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Wow, talk about a cool mom.
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Speaker 2: Oh this woman, a California mom, accused of hosting highly
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Speaker 2: inappropriate Well, okay, you say tomato, I say tomato. You
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Speaker 2: say inappropriate gatherings. I say felony child mistreatment, felony child abuse.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I call it.
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Speaker 2: A California mom accused of hosting inappropriate gatherings for her
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Speaker 2: fifteen year old son and his friends, including lots of alcohol,
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Speaker 2: luring fourteen year old girls to her four points seven
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Speaker 2: million dollar Los Gatto's residents, and encouraging sex between the teens.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I would call that a cool mom.
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Speaker 2: I mean, is he Grace? This is Crime Stories. Thanks
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Speaker 2: for being with us here at sirius XM one eleven. Wow,
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Speaker 2: cool mom. You know when I think of cool mom,
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Speaker 2: I think of the Lindsay Lohan movie, one of her
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Speaker 2: great Mean Girls, that was the name of it. And
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Speaker 2: you have the cool mom who tried to be one
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Speaker 2: of the teens and encouraged them to misbehave.
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Speaker 1: Well, this is so much more than that.
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Speaker 2: This woman, Shannon O'Connor, accused of luring fourteen to fifteen
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Speaker 2: year olds to her multimillion dollar home in Los Gatos
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Speaker 2: has now been busted, reportedly with her internet searches. Why
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Speaker 2: the people still make incriminating internet searches? What's incriminating? Quote
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Speaker 2: good books with young sex? Okay, I don't like that
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Speaker 2: right there? Quote hot sixteen year old teenage girls?
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Speaker 1: Don't like that? Quote prettiest sixteen year old girl.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, would any raunchy list be complete without
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Speaker 2: quote tits and ass? I mean, really people are still
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Speaker 2: saying that Seriously anyway, it takes on a whole new
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Speaker 2: meaning when you know it's a mom of a teen
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Speaker 2: boy who hosts parties at her home constantly for teens.
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Speaker 2: That serge would have me disturbed, but I'm sure the
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Speaker 2: other moms and dads didn't know about it. Her phone
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Speaker 2: allegedly also contained videos that have been downloaded from various
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Speaker 2: media platform social media, including TikTok, depicting young girls in
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Speaker 2: skimpy clothing. Okay, also young girls appearing to be underage
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Speaker 2: dressed in revealing clothing. Now, I don't know that any
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Speaker 2: of these girls were actually known by the so called
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Speaker 2: cool mom, but I know that.
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Speaker 1: In legal documents quote when.
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Speaker 2: Defendant was the rest that her phone was recovered and
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Speaker 2: searched the following. Google's searches relevant to her charges of
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Speaker 2: annoying or molesting a.
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Speaker 1: Child were found on her phone.
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Speaker 2: Good books with young sex, hot sixteen year old teenage girls,
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Speaker 2: prettiest sixteen year old girl, and of course titsnas. Gosh,
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Speaker 2: this woman. Can you imagine looking on your mom's iPad
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Speaker 2: and seeing those searches?
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Speaker 1: Okay, what more.
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Speaker 3: Do we know?
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Speaker 2: The so called party mom facing thirty nine criminal accounts
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Speaker 2: of felony, child endangerment and sex battery, some of the
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Speaker 2: victims as young as thirteen. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: friends at NBC.
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Speaker 4: The first complaint about Shannon O'Connor to Los Gato's High
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Speaker 4: School came from a parent in December twenty twenty. According
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Speaker 4: to internal school emails obtained exclusively by the Investigative Unit,
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Speaker 4: Shannon Bruga or O'Connor buys alcohol for teenagers. My daughter
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Speaker 4: overdosed on edibles then entering. Principal Paul Robinson responded the
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Speaker 4: same day, we will follow up on this and inform
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Speaker 4: the police. Two months later, February seventeenth, a different parent
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Speaker 4: sent an assistant principal a detailed, multi page email saying
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Speaker 4: she had just filed the police report alleging criminal contact
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Speaker 4: by O'Connor with her child and at least five other
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Speaker 4: fourteen year old girls, as well as at least one
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Speaker 4: Fisher middle school student, a.
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Speaker 2: Middle school student, fourteen year old girls going to sex
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Speaker 2: and booze stoked parties, and criminal contact by the cool
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Speaker 2: mom with a girl student age fourteen? What in the
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Speaker 2: hey with me at all Star panel? It makes sense
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Speaker 2: of what we know right now, But first I want
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Speaker 2: to go to Drew Penner, investigative reporter with the losgotten newspaper.
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Speaker 3: Drew, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Who is this quote?
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Speaker 3: Cool mom?
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Speaker 2: Doesn't sound cool to me, it sounds criminal. Does she
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Speaker 2: have a child?
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, definitely. This is Shannon O'Connor. And she has
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Speaker 5: other names that she's gone by in the past, Shannon Bruga,
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Speaker 5: Shannon Amarol. But she is a local woman here from
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Speaker 5: the Los Gatos area and that's in Silicon Valley, and
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Speaker 5: she gained a reputation over the months for being, as
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Speaker 5: you said, someone that would have parties and someone who
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Speaker 5: would invite folks over to her house that we're younger
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Speaker 5: than maybe you would invite over to your host And
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Speaker 5: that's putting it lightly.
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Speaker 2: And she does have children. She's got two teen sons,
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Speaker 2: thirteen and fifteen. And you know to doctor Angie Arnold,
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Speaker 2: psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can
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Speaker 2: find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. You heard
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Speaker 2: what Drew Pinner just told us that everybody in the
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Speaker 2: neighborhood knew rumor gossip.
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Speaker 3: They knew what was going on, but did.
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Speaker 2: Anybody stop it, not until things got even more out
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Speaker 2: of hand. In addition to what Drew Pinner told us, Angie,
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Speaker 2: how many times have I told the children, starting at
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Speaker 2: a very young age, about drugs and alcohol.
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Speaker 1: All the time?
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Speaker 3: What it does to you?
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Speaker 2: Cases I've seen in court specifically, I remember when I
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Speaker 2: was a brand new assistant district attorney. I was taking
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Speaker 2: a guilty plea and she was taking a plea duy HV.
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Speaker 2: Habitual violator, And I looked around for her family. There
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Speaker 2: was no family, but I knew she was married with
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Speaker 2: three children. Alcohol cost her her stockbroker's license. That she
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Speaker 2: worked so hard forehand, worked her way up the ladder
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Speaker 2: in that business. She had a horrible car crash when drunk.
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Speaker 2: Her husband divorced her and he got custody of three
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Speaker 2: children because of alcohol. And I remember she just stood
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Speaker 2: there in court just like she was numb, Like she
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Speaker 2: didn't even cry. You know, like when you take the
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Speaker 2: dog to the vet and they have to get a
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Speaker 2: shot and they sit on the table. They know something
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Speaker 2: bad it's about to happen, but they just sit there stoically.
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Speaker 2: That's what she looked like. Alcohol And this is a
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Speaker 2: mom with teens throwing this kind of party, not just alcohol,
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Speaker 2: but drugs and sex.
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Speaker 6: So Niki would why would no one have said anything?
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Speaker 6: Because look at all of the other people that can
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Speaker 6: be hurt by not saying anything, starting with the offender.
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Speaker 6: She needed help, But okay.
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Speaker 2: You know why did I ask you a question? She
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Speaker 2: does not need help. She needs jail because these aren't
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Speaker 2: just wild parties. This is sex, assault, child moless, station felony,
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Speaker 2: child endangerment.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know what you're talking about. She needs help, well,
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Speaker 3: she needs a nice long.
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Speaker 2: Vacation in the pen in the big dollhouse so she
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Speaker 2: can think about her actions.
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Speaker 6: But Nancy, at the very least, if the neighbors knew
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Speaker 6: what was going on, and they didn't know the extent
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Speaker 6: to what was going on, Oh.
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Speaker 3: Please, have you ever seen Bewitched? Yes? No, have you?
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Speaker 2: And you're familiar with Gladys Kravitz, right, the nosy neighbor
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Speaker 2: who knows everything you want to tell me. These neighbors
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Speaker 2: didn't know exactly what was happening, hearing teens screaming and
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Speaker 2: cavorting in the backyard around the keg. Oh they knew,
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Speaker 2: But this is my question, Drew Penner back to Loscota newspaper,
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Speaker 2: T I understand that the first compliants from May to
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Speaker 2: the school.
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Speaker 3: Principle, and they had an assistant principle. Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, this has been an interesting case in
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Speaker 5: our town because it's it's sparked off a whole discussion
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Speaker 5: around what we do, you know, when people are having
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Speaker 5: parties in their own private home. But then it's you know,
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Speaker 5: these the ramifications can spill out into the public sphere,
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Speaker 5: including as you mentioned, at the high school. And you
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Speaker 5: know there's stories that we're hearing and that have come
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Speaker 5: out through the you know, throughout the various discussions that
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Speaker 5: we've been hearing. Is that basically, you know, Shan O'Connor
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Speaker 5: had a really good way of manipulating the whole situation basically,
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Speaker 5: you know, being able to spin things one way and
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Speaker 5: in fact enlisting the children that she was inviting and
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Speaker 5: many say manipulating over to her house into kind of
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Speaker 5: going on the forefront and helping her spread false stories
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Speaker 5: in order to continue her behavior. And you know, that's
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Speaker 5: something that we hear time and time again, and you know,
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Speaker 5: the extent to which perhaps the authorities at the school
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Speaker 5: should have done more. That's been a hot gun issue,
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Speaker 5: so that over into even the local councils come up
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Speaker 5: indirectly as well, and yeah, it's been the talk of
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Speaker 5: the town.
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Speaker 3: You know, that's a really good point.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Annisinota, a child grooming expert,
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Speaker 2: but first let me just swing to Sam do'ordulian. He
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Speaker 2: is a renowned attorney, former La County prosecutor, and founder
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Speaker 2: of the Dordulian Law Group.
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Speaker 3: You can find him at d lawgroup dot com.
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Speaker 2: Sam, thanks for being with us, just thinking through what
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Speaker 2: Drew Pinner told us from the Losgotten. You know, Sam,
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Speaker 2: here's the rub, here's the fly in the ointment. So
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Speaker 2: you have the parents, they are speaking out to the
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Speaker 2: wrong person. They contact the school principle and the assistant principle,
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Speaker 2: So do they get the idea they're doing the right thing,
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Speaker 2: And how much can a school really control what students
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Speaker 2: or quote cool moms are doing off school premises, Sam Doordulian, Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, And actually that's that's a good question. Why didn't
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Speaker 7: they call the police? And I think it's a lot
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Speaker 7: to do with who this person is. If this was
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Speaker 7: a male, if this was a male, if this is
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Speaker 7: a teacher, if this was a coach, a male coach,
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Speaker 7: I think people would react differently because she's a woman,
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Speaker 7: because she's a mom. In particular, I think they're treating
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Speaker 7: it differently. They're contacting the school instead of contacting the police.
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Speaker 7: I mean, you brought up the word grooming. This is
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Speaker 7: the definition of grooming. It doesn't have to be a
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Speaker 7: male teacher or a coach or a priest. She was
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Speaker 7: grooming not just the children, but the other parents, the
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Speaker 7: whole community with her conduct. So I think that a
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Speaker 7: lot has to do with who she is as a
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Speaker 7: woman and as a mom.
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Speaker 2: You know, you just shruck me to the core as
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Speaker 2: a mom, because you know, Anna Sonoda going from Sam Dordoulian,
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Speaker 2: doctor Angie Arnold, Andrew Panner, let me.
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Speaker 3: Tell you who.
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Speaker 2: Anna Sonoda is child grooming expert, clinical social worker, author
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Speaker 2: of dut dut Groom Understanding How a child becomes a target,
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Speaker 2: and you can find her at Annasinoda dot com. Anna,
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Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to our friend
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Speaker 2: Amanda del Castillo.
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Speaker 8: Shannon O'Connor, the Los Catus mother, was accused of throwing
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Speaker 8: drunken parties where she encouraged young teens to participate in
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Speaker 8: sex acts, sometimes non consensual and sometimes while she watched.
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Speaker 8: The teens, mostly fourteen and fifteen years old, included her
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Speaker 8: own son. O'Connor would use Snapchat or text to invite
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Speaker 8: them to her home, warning the teens to keep silent
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Speaker 8: or she could go to jail.
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Speaker 2: It's not exactly your classic grooming, but it has all
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Speaker 2: the elements of a classic grooming, luring, desensitizing the victim,
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Speaker 2: where this little fourteen year old girl says, well.
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Speaker 3: Everybody else is doing it.
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Speaker 2: The mom was sitting there watching me having a sex
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Speaker 2: act with her son, so maybe it's not as bad
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Speaker 2: as I thought because a mom thinks it's okay, and
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Speaker 2: then getting them getting a vow of silence warning them
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Speaker 2: not to speak out.
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Speaker 9: Nancy This is a gruesome, gruesome example of grooming. And
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Speaker 9: just so that everybody's on the same page, grooming is
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Speaker 9: the intentional and selective process of using assumed trust to
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Speaker 9: gain access and space with an identified prey. And it
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Speaker 9: is a process of entrapping a child. So we've got
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Speaker 9: to set the trap with compliments. These children were selected.
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Speaker 9: She was pre vetting the girls who were attending these parties.
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Speaker 9: Then you've got to bait the trap with favors, so
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Speaker 9: giving the kids things they want, like access to free
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Speaker 9: food out. Then you've essentially rigged the trap with guilt.
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Speaker 9: Here are these kids who are breaking rules that their
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Speaker 9: parents have for them. And then you've got to keep
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Speaker 9: that trap shut with threats. You can't tell anybody, keep
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Speaker 9: this a secret. So worse than being a cool mom,
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Speaker 9: she was perceived and the community defaulted to her being
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Speaker 9: a safe mom. And she was the one who was
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Speaker 9: communicating with other parents to confirm that she would be
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Speaker 9: in attendance and she would be supervising. And this is
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Speaker 9: why parents need to keep a keen eye to show
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Speaker 9: up at places where their kids are going and when
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Speaker 9: in doubt, verify even if it means showing up.
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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to drink in everything that you just said.
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Speaker 2: Whenever the twins have anybody over throughout the evening or
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Speaker 2: the afternoon, or whatever it may be, I like to
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Speaker 2: take pictures of them and send to the mom because
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Speaker 2: that's what I like.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if the other moms even want.
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Speaker 2: That, but I like that to see what the twins
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Speaker 2: are doing when they're not at home and make sure
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Speaker 2: they're safe and alive. I haven't even thought about an
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Speaker 2: adult flying them with alcohol and drugs and having sex
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Speaker 2: with them. Time Stories with Nancy Grace, the so called
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Speaker 2: cool Mom aka party Mom, has pled not guilty to
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Speaker 2: all the charges filed by the Santa Clara County District
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Speaker 2: Attorney's Office. You know what, when you leave a Google
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Speaker 2: trail mile a mile wide, you got problems. Because if
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Speaker 2: it's just eyewitness testimony by one or even two witnesses,
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Speaker 2: you might have a chance. But when you start getting
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Speaker 2: more and more eyewitness testimony, testimony from neighbors, what they saw,
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Speaker 2: what they heard, what they observed. Now with Google searches
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Speaker 2: to back it up, O'Connor hosting the parties inside her
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Speaker 2: five thousand plus square footlets got those home which listed
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Speaker 2: earlier this year for nearly five million dollars.
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Speaker 1: It's a two acre property. It's got a pool, a spa, a.
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Speaker 2: Sports court, nanny quarters in five bedrooms, wow, five on
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Speaker 2: suite bedrooms. The victims in this case include The alleged
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Speaker 2: victims include.
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Speaker 1: Male and female male.
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Speaker 2: Loscato's high school students, including her own two sons. Now,
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Speaker 2: according to prosecutors, she would lure the youngsters to her
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Speaker 2: home and quote facilitated sexual encounters between minors important, both
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Speaker 2: consensual and non consensual. Some victims reporting the cool mom
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Speaker 2: watched as they were sex assaulted. Okay, what more do
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Speaker 2: we know? Michael Boughton joining me, former NYPD detective squad supervisor,
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Speaker 2: a special Victims unit owner, a first rate investigations and
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Speaker 2: that specializes an adult and child survivor civil cases at
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Speaker 2: first Rate Investigations, and consulting dot com. That is the mouthful,
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Speaker 2: Michael Bock. I want you to change that website immediately. Hey, Michael,
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Speaker 2: I know you've dealt with a lot of cases where
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Speaker 2: adults molested children. I rarely see I don't know that
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Speaker 2: I've ever seen. I got to think this thing through.
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Speaker 2: I've seen female sex predators on children, but for a mom,
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Speaker 2: a cool mom, and I'm talking about Amy Pohlar, who
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Speaker 2: I adore, Amy Polar who played the cool mom June.
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Speaker 3: George in Mean Girls. Hilarious. But this is not funny
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Speaker 3: in the least, Michael Bock, have.
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Speaker 2: You ever seeing the case where the mom lures in
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Speaker 2: the child victims to have sex with tea boys while
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Speaker 2: she sits there and watches.
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Speaker 10: It's not a frequent occurrence, especially inside the city.
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Speaker 3: I'd say this.
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Speaker 10: Is probably more of a suburban issue than it would
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Speaker 10: be inside the city with apartments and stuff, So it's
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Speaker 10: not a common case that we would come across in
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Speaker 10: the city.
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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever come across anything quite like it.
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Speaker 2: And these people, Michael Bock, I mean, this is Silicon
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Speaker 2: Valley with all of that tech money just rolling around.
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Speaker 2: The median income in this area is one one hundred
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Speaker 2: and sixty seven thousand dollars.
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Speaker 3: That's the median.
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Speaker 10: That's big money.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've got a lot of money to roll around
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Speaker 2: in and a lot of money to throw parties.
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Speaker 3: With for children.
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Speaker 2: I mean, doctor Angie, you hear Michael Buck speaking, what
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Speaker 2: frame of mind is that we're a grown woman and
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Speaker 2: get sex gratification off of watching little girls and teen
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Speaker 2: boys have sex in her home.
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Speaker 6: Oh, Nancy, this is such a horrible subject, isn't it.
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Speaker 3: Yes?
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Speaker 2: But I was expecting a little something a little more
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Speaker 2: clinical from you than this is horrible.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know it's horrible.
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Speaker 2: I can ask anybody on the street that, doctor Angie,
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Speaker 2: I know it's horrible. But what is what kind of
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Speaker 2: a criminal mind?
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Speaker 6: Is that these kind of people can suffer from a
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Speaker 6: very low self esteem?
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Speaker 3: Oh, dear Lord in Heaven, low self esteem?
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Speaker 6: Well, I mean, Nancy, this is you ask for a definition.
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Speaker 3: She's a child molester.
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Speaker 6: Well, okay, but we have to kind of look at
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Speaker 6: all of the things that can. First of all, female
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Speaker 6: child predators are on the rare side.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 6: They can have antisocial personality disorder, they can have very
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Speaker 6: poor social skills. They can have PTSD from something or another.
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Speaker 2: Don't even try to make me feel badly for her
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Speaker 2: injection low self esteem? I am about child molester. Here is
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Speaker 2: doctor Jackie, and you're waving a sign saying voyeurism.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you know what that is?
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Speaker 2: Right, Doctor and Jamming, you are the strange to be
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Speaker 2: a psychiatrist, don't you have to be a medical doctor
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Speaker 2: and a psychiatrist.
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Speaker 6: I'm a medical doctor, okay.
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Speaker 3: And I'm having to tell you the word voyeurism and.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, I've had to treat women who were female sexual predators.
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Speaker 6: I've treated only a very few, because only a very
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Speaker 6: few exempts.
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Speaker 2: What is wrong with them? Not that the state has
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Speaker 2: to prove the motive or kick around inside the mind
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Speaker 2: of a perpetrator. But it's very hard for me to
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Speaker 2: take in. I know it exists, but it's hard for
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Speaker 2: me to take in.
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Speaker 6: But doesn't it also sound like this woman, this particular
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Speaker 6: criminal was was exerting a lot of control over her victims.
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Speaker 6: They were very young, forty seven, they're thirteen and fourteen
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Speaker 6: years old. You know, she's got to she's got to
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Speaker 6: be getting some sort of sexual pleasure out of this
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Speaker 6: at the very baseline.
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Speaker 3: I've already said that. That was my question that I
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Speaker 3: formed for you.
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Speaker 2: What grown woman enjoys watching little children have forced sex?
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Speaker 6: A very thick grown woman.
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Speaker 2: Once again, I knew that myself, and I am not
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Speaker 2: an MD.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, she may have been abused in her past.
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Speaker 2: Oh dear great, you know what, Just go ahead and
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Speaker 2: cut her mic because all you're doing is wine, wine
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Speaker 2: wine about how badly this one?
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Speaker 3: Will I still hear her?
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Speaker 6: Hello, the women, the woman that I'm going.
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Speaker 2: To give you a moment to reconsider your opinion, Doctor
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Speaker 2: Angela Arnold, What more do we know? Take a listen
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Speaker 2: to our forensict kr N four.
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Speaker 11: O'Connor has two sons, ages thirteen and fifteen, the same
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Speaker 11: age range that the victims are in this case. Deputies
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Speaker 11: in Idaho determined her sons were in imminent danger and
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Speaker 11: placed them under the custody of the Idaho Department of
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Speaker 11: Health and Welfare. Law enforcement first began to investigate O'Connor
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Speaker 11: after a boy was injured when he fell from her
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Speaker 11: SUV in the Los Gattos High School parking lot. The
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Speaker 11: district attorneys said O'Connor went to great lengths to keep
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Speaker 11: the parties secret from other parents, law enforcement, and her
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Speaker 11: own husband. She would only invite teens over to the
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Speaker 11: house for a wild night of drinking when she knew
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Speaker 11: her husband would not be home. She communicated with students
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Speaker 11: using Snapchat.
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Speaker 2: So I didn't realize, is drey Pinner She was married
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Speaker 2: and the husband knew nothing about what was going on.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's kind of an open question. You know, there's
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Speaker 5: some evidence that shows that she had, you know, seemed
22:44
Speaker 5: to be hiding the beer cans or whatnot from her
22:49
Speaker 5: husband prior to him getting home, so he didn't find
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Speaker 5: out about these parties that were going on. On the
22:55
Speaker 5: other hand, there does seem to be you know, a
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Speaker 5: close connection between them. They are codefendants in a previous
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Speaker 5: action and you know, so that is something that is
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Speaker 5: still coming out.
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Speaker 2: Surely learned for me to believe that he had no
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Speaker 2: idea what was going on. Guys, I want you to
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Speaker 2: listen to the Samdordulian sex assault lawyer, former LA County
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Speaker 2: sex crimes prosecutor. Now, this is going down in Los Gatos,
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Speaker 2: California and a very prestigious community. Parties also took place
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Speaker 2: in Santa Cruz and Lake Tahoe, where the cool mom
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Speaker 2: Shannon O'Connor would ply fourteen to fifteen year olds with
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Speaker 2: vodka and then hand out condoms, encourages, encouraging miners to
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Speaker 2: have sex, and laughing.
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Speaker 3: When the teams would engage in sex acts, many of.
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Speaker 2: Which allegedly were non consens You all take a listen
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Speaker 2: to our cut four kg.
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Speaker 8: O investigators say the party spanned from June twenty twenty
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Speaker 8: to May twenty twenty one, and often involved O'Connor pushing
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Speaker 8: the teens to drink until they became sick or blacked out.
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Speaker 8: The DA's office as some of the assaults against the
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Speaker 8: young victims happened while they were drunk. Document show teens
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Speaker 8: also told authorities drinking led to heavy vomiting, a broken finger,
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Speaker 8: and a girl reporting show almost drowned in a hot tub.
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Speaker 8: In a release, DA Jeff Roseen said it took a
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Speaker 8: lot of brave children to come forward and to untangle
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Speaker 8: this deeply disturbing case. In another case, the DA's office
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Speaker 8: says O'Connor let a team drive her SUV in the
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Speaker 8: lost Attus High parking lot while two other teens held
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Speaker 8: onto the back, one fell off knocked unconscious.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
24:46
Speaker 2: Also take a listen to Amy Larson Kron, a.
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Speaker 11: Forty seven year old mom, is accused of throwing sex
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Speaker 11: parties at her Los Gattos mansion. She pressured underage teenagers
24:57
Speaker 11: to binge, drink, and encourage boys to consensual and non
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Speaker 11: consensual sex with girls. According to the Santa Clara County
25:06
Speaker 11: District Attorney's Office, investigators said dozens of Los Gatto's high
25:10
Speaker 11: school students went to Shannon O'Connor's disturbing parties between June
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Speaker 11: of twenty twenty and May of this year. The mom
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Speaker 11: recently moved to Adda County in Idaho, where she continued
25:22
Speaker 11: to invite teens over to her new house. Detectives told
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Speaker 11: me that when they went to the house to arrest
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Speaker 11: her last weekend, there were twelve underage teenagers with her,
25:32
Speaker 11: most of whom had spent the night.
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Speaker 2: So let me understand this, Drew Pinner. The students would
25:37
Speaker 2: actually spend the night in the home.
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Speaker 5: Well, some of these parties would go on for an
25:41
Speaker 5: awful long time. And you know, I at one point
25:45
Speaker 5: I tried knocking on the doors of some of the
25:47
Speaker 5: neighbors homes, and I didn't really want to say too
25:50
Speaker 5: much to me about what they had seen or hadn't seen.
25:53
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, if people felt it's
25:56
Speaker 5: guilty for not saying things sooner, or you know, maybe
25:59
Speaker 5: they did keep and things under wrap. But you know,
26:02
Speaker 5: there's definitely a lot of questioning, even by Shannon O'Connor,
26:07
Speaker 5: who was you know, googling, as we have reported, you know,
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Speaker 5: things like what to do with the concussion and a
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Speaker 5: teenager and you know kind of concussion cause eye problems,
26:17
Speaker 5: and you know, investigating people and investigators seem to think
26:20
Speaker 5: that that may be related to that car incident exactly
26:24
Speaker 5: you had just heard about there on that news report.
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Speaker 2: According to court documents we've just obtained, quote evidence admitted
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Speaker 2: at preliminary hearing will show offenses alleged were committed by
26:36
Speaker 2: defendant as a result of a sexual compulsion and for
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Speaker 2: the purpose of sexual gratification.
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Speaker 1: The deputy district attorney.
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Speaker 2: Wrote, Okay, she had a consistent approach involving helping minors
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Speaker 2: sneak out of their own homes, arranging transportation for them
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Speaker 2: via Snapchat or texting, getting them drunk to the point
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Speaker 2: of vomiting, losing consciousness, and then foisting sex activity upon them.
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Speaker 1: What is this woman.
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Speaker 2: Thinking, Sam Orduley and joining a sex assault lawyer, former
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Speaker 2: LA County sex crimes prosecutor, naked twister with a bunch
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Speaker 2: of teen girls and boys in your home.
27:23
Speaker 3: I mean, I cringed when.
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Speaker 2: I heard doctor Angela Arnold talking about, Oh, she's got
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Speaker 2: low self esteem, she's probably been rejected, don't care.
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Speaker 1: This is child molestation.
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Speaker 3: I mean Dordlian. Do you have any children.
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Speaker 7: I have two children, in fact, wondering about the same
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Speaker 7: age as these kids.
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Speaker 2: At thirteen going to the mom's house down the street,
27:50
Speaker 2: and then to find out later she was egged into
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Speaker 2: sex acts and given drugs and alcohol by the so
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Speaker 2: called cool mom.
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Speaker 3: I would do a backflip.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, even imagine it and look, Nancy. In twenty five
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Speaker 7: plus years I've been doing sex crimes, I haven't heard
28:05
Speaker 7: a story like this. And again we I think a
28:07
Speaker 7: lot has to do The reason why this continued and
28:10
Speaker 7: it was allowed to fester and she was allowed to
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Speaker 7: do all these things is because of her status as
28:14
Speaker 7: a mom, as a woman. I've prosecuted a lot of
28:18
Speaker 7: these cases. I've tried in civil court, a lot of
28:20
Speaker 7: these cases. You don't see a lot of sexual predators
28:24
Speaker 7: who are women. I do have them, I've had them before,
28:27
Speaker 7: nothing like this. And we have an inherent trust of mothers,
28:30
Speaker 7: don't we. You know, you believe, you want to believe,
28:33
Speaker 7: especially since she's a mom of someone a child of
28:35
Speaker 7: your child's age, She's not going to hurt them. She's
28:38
Speaker 7: going to protect them. That's what we all want to believe.
28:41
Speaker 7: And I think that belief allowed this to continue, and
28:45
Speaker 7: the reason why, you know, parents are going to the
28:47
Speaker 7: school instead of the police. We have a different impression
28:50
Speaker 7: of female sexual offenders, but they're just as dangerous as
28:53
Speaker 7: we see in this particular case.
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Speaker 2: Well, you know an interesting point a Sander Julian Fa
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Speaker 2: dad was throwing a party.
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Speaker 3: I don't know how many teen girls parents would even
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Speaker 3: let them go.
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Speaker 7: I wouldn't. I certainly wouldn't let my daughter go. I
29:10
Speaker 7: have a distrust of milk.
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Speaker 2: O h E double Lno. I say you're not going
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Speaker 2: to a party at some pervy dad's house. That's not happening.
29:18
Speaker 2: Ooh okay, cringe. You know I want to go back
29:22
Speaker 2: to doctor Angeley Arnold. I guess we can turn our
29:26
Speaker 2: mic back on. You know, you've given me just enough
29:29
Speaker 2: information over the years to throw something back at you.
29:33
Speaker 2: You're talking about how she has low self esteem and
29:36
Speaker 2: low self worth and was probably rejected in her life.
29:41
Speaker 2: I assume the next thing you're going to say is
29:43
Speaker 2: this is a desperate cry for help. How about a
29:45
Speaker 2: manipulative narcissist with no conscience?
29:50
Speaker 3: Would that se fit?
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Speaker 6: Yes? It would, Yes, it would, Nancy, And I'll tell
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Speaker 6: you something else. The reason nobody's calling and reporting her
29:59
Speaker 6: is because research has shown that if you report that
30:03
Speaker 6: you have done abused by as female more times than not,
30:10
Speaker 6: you are not believed.
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Speaker 3: I didn't think of that. You're absolutely correct.
30:14
Speaker 2: And guess what else gave her the en disha of
30:19
Speaker 2: responsibility and her mom's status secured. She's living in a
30:25
Speaker 2: four point seven million dollar mansion. I bet they've got
30:30
Speaker 2: a pool. I know they've got a hot to because
30:32
Speaker 2: one girl almost drowned in their hot tob drunk four
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Speaker 2: point seven million dollars home up there in Los Gato's
30:39
Speaker 2: a quote tech savvy predator who taught the teens to
30:44
Speaker 2: lie using gifts in order to bait the girls. WHOA wait,
30:50
Speaker 2: we haven't even touched on that, Drew Pinner. Drew Pinner,
30:53
Speaker 2: investigative reporter at the Losgotten What kind of gifts did
30:57
Speaker 2: she use to bait the tan girls?
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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if you know the Bay area at all,
31:04
Speaker 5: you know that you know just over the hill, you
31:07
Speaker 5: know you've got Santa Cruz and that's a pretty pretty
31:09
Speaker 5: awesome destination to go to, and people like going on
31:12
Speaker 5: trips there, same with Tahoe. So if you get invited
31:15
Speaker 5: along to trip to one of those places. I mean,
31:17
Speaker 5: who wouldn't want to go. Keep in mind, these are
31:20
Speaker 5: kids that don't have access to just head on on
31:22
Speaker 5: a weekend trip on their own, you know, and you know,
31:25
Speaker 5: so that's that's one thing, you know, getting these the
31:28
Speaker 5: alcohol is supplied. I mean, that's not exactly easy when
31:31
Speaker 5: you're near a kid, and you know. I just I
31:34
Speaker 5: think that there's a lot of this affection that's been
31:37
Speaker 5: showered on them as well by miss O'Connor, as we
31:41
Speaker 5: hear and from some of the stories that we've been
31:44
Speaker 5: reporting on, including you know that that may have been
31:47
Speaker 5: a technique, this flattery in order to build trust in
31:52
Speaker 5: bonds classic panner. Well, one other thing I wanted to say,
31:56
Speaker 5: I wanted to say too, was was just that if
31:59
Speaker 5: you don't mind, was just that I think that we
32:02
Speaker 5: have to keep in mind that this is this is
32:05
Speaker 5: someone that you know, she had on her phone. It
32:08
Speaker 5: turns out, as we've now reported, like a video of
32:13
Speaker 5: a girl saying that, you know, talking about her own
32:16
Speaker 5: body image, and we don't know if this is someone
32:18
Speaker 5: she knew or is something she downaged from TikTok, But
32:21
Speaker 5: this is pointing to the fact that you know, she
32:23
Speaker 5: had not just a desire to help her own child
32:28
Speaker 5: perhaps hook up, but you know, there's some question around
32:32
Speaker 5: was she maybe looking for having, let's say, a bad
32:36
Speaker 5: interest in sixteen year olds. For example, one of her
32:39
Speaker 5: the searches on her phone was hot sixteen year old
32:44
Speaker 5: teenage girls and prettiest sixteen year old girl Good books
32:47
Speaker 5: with young sex. That's something that just came out recently.
32:50
Speaker 2: One young girl, who is going only by the name
32:53
Speaker 2: Jane Doe eight, says that cool mom O'Connor quote tore
32:57
Speaker 2: my life apart. I've suffered and had to deal with
33:00
Speaker 2: the reputation of being quote the girl that got raped.
33:04
Speaker 2: I will live my high school years with this cloud
33:06
Speaker 2: over me. Victims say that O'Connor befriended them through her
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Speaker 2: children and social media when they were just freshmen at
33:15
Speaker 2: Los Gato's High This Jane do eight says, Shannon does
33:20
Speaker 2: not have a conscience.
33:21
Speaker 3: She's a Connor artist.
33:22
Speaker 2: I will never have the life I once had, and
33:24
Speaker 2: neither should she. She says that O'Connor would have boys
33:30
Speaker 2: get drunk and then drunkenly sex assault the girls while
33:36
Speaker 2: O'Connor watched One of these girls, Jane Doe nine actually
33:41
Speaker 2: had to take out a protection order against O'Connor after
33:45
Speaker 2: she realized O'Connor had been following her around with no
33:49
Speaker 2: headlights on. The girl still has nightmares today. One girl
33:56
Speaker 2: says that O'Connor moved into her town, and the Little
33:59
Speaker 2: Girl twenty seven calls with no caller ID, but with
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Speaker 2: Shannon O'Connor on the other end breathing into the phone.
34:07
Speaker 2: Does anybody have a concern about what took so long
34:12
Speaker 2: to bring this woman to justice?
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Speaker 3: Here's another theory.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Drew Pitter's theory that she was sexually
34:19
Speaker 2: interested in young teen girls and boys, did she actually
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Speaker 2: want to be a child?
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Speaker 3: Again?
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 3: Welcome Back.
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Speaker 2: We learn more about the so called cool mom, apparently
34:54
Speaker 2: very selective about the young girls she allowed to come
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Speaker 2: to the parties, rejecting them if they did not meet
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Speaker 2: her particular cool mom standards. Oh my stars, seriously, seriously,
35:08
Speaker 2: she's a mean girl that grew up. She rejects girls
35:12
Speaker 2: listen to this as guests by saying they weren't quote
35:15
Speaker 2: pretty enough or didn't quote put out.
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Speaker 3: I don't believe.
35:20
Speaker 2: I've heard that phrase, so somebody said it in high school.
35:25
Speaker 2: She rejected girls because they quote weren't pretty enough or
35:28
Speaker 2: quote didn't put out Oh my stars, man, I would
35:33
Speaker 2: pack that jury with a bunch of parents, moms and
35:37
Speaker 2: dads of teen girls and teen boys.
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Speaker 1: Oh girl, you're in trouble now.
35:44
Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: We also learned that as soon as she learned about
35:47
Speaker 2: the police investigation, she fled reportedly to Idaho.
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Speaker 3: Is that correct?
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Speaker 5: Three Pinter, So it is true that what happened is
35:55
Speaker 5: that as the investigation was progressing into the conduct of
36:01
Speaker 5: Shannon O'Connor, she leaves, she goes to Idaho. And you know,
36:07
Speaker 5: you might say, Okay, maybe that's a nice coincidence or
36:09
Speaker 5: whatever for her, but you know, the truth is is
36:11
Speaker 5: that we're starting to see that she's very aware of
36:16
Speaker 5: the fact that you know that it's there's different rules
36:20
Speaker 5: when you have authority, local authorities investigating here, it's harder
36:24
Speaker 5: for them to reach across state lines. And in fact,
36:28
Speaker 5: at one point, she's Internet searching Idaho statue, Idaho's Statute
36:33
Speaker 5: of Limitations criminal She's going, hey, can I get prosecuted
36:37
Speaker 5: in California if I live in Idaho?
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Speaker 1: For instance.
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Speaker 2: The searches include things about arrest warrants, statutes of limitations,
36:44
Speaker 2: and legal consequences.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that does it? So guilty conscious at all?
36:49
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that to come in front of
36:51
Speaker 2: a jury. Can I get prosecuted in California?
36:54
Speaker 1: If I live in Idaho?
36:56
Speaker 2: You know, I've never searched that before. How do I
36:59
Speaker 2: know if there's a warrant for my arrest supplying alcohol
37:02
Speaker 2: to minors in a private home and statute of limitations California?
37:07
Speaker 1: Now this is all according to court documents.
37:10
Speaker 2: What about it, Sam Doordulian, she's looking for statute limitations?
37:15
Speaker 2: How long can they prosecute me in another jurisdiction for this?
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Speaker 7: She's incredibly manipulative and it's just terrifying. The other parts
37:22
Speaker 7: that you mentioned about the whole stalking part of it,
37:24
Speaker 7: I worked the stocking unit as well, and I can
37:26
Speaker 7: tell you I'm working with the DA's office prosecute all
37:29
Speaker 7: sorts of criminals. There's only two that I was really
37:32
Speaker 7: truly frightened of hardcore game members and stalkers. And she
37:36
Speaker 7: seems to not only just be a sexual predator, but
37:38
Speaker 7: it has to go stalking elements on top, and it's
37:41
Speaker 7: just terrifying that she would move to a different state
37:44
Speaker 7: be so manipulative, and there's some reference to her moving
37:47
Speaker 7: to another state where there's one of the victims actually lived.
37:51
Speaker 7: Terrifying what this woman was doing. And to suggest that
37:54
Speaker 7: the husband had no idea about all of this, I
37:56
Speaker 7: think it's just foolish, absolutely foolish.
37:58
Speaker 2: Well, we do know that he has recently filed for
38:01
Speaker 2: divorce and do you blame him?
38:04
Speaker 3: What about it?
38:04
Speaker 2: Doctor Angie Arnold, psychiatrist out of Atlanta. Is that some
38:08
Speaker 2: sort of a designated ailment?
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Speaker 6: You know, Nancy, I don't that ailment doesn't necessarily have
38:14
Speaker 6: a name. It all goes under the it's all under
38:17
Speaker 6: the guise of sexual predators, and it's just another way
38:20
Speaker 6: that they manipulate the system. I mean, Nancy, I have
38:22
Speaker 6: to wonder. I mean, there's so many things that are
38:25
Speaker 6: going on in our world right now that are predatory
38:29
Speaker 6: to children that we have to keep an eye out
38:31
Speaker 6: for all of those things.
38:33
Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: I want to follow up with Anna Sonoda, child grooming
38:36
Speaker 2: expert and author of Duck Duck Groom. We're talking about
38:41
Speaker 2: various motives. Did this so called cool mom o Connor
38:45
Speaker 2: actually want to be a teen again? Take a listen
38:48
Speaker 2: to this and Sonoda our cut nine from KGO.
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Speaker 12: The DIA's office believe an early motive for O'Connor's alleged
38:54
Speaker 12: actions is sexual gratification. Court documents say she would use
38:58
Speaker 12: social media to lord mind to her home, give them alcohol, condoms,
39:02
Speaker 12: and private rooms to commit sexual acts that sometimes we're
39:05
Speaker 12: not consensual.
39:06
Speaker 13: One of the crimes that we have charged involves committing
39:10
Speaker 13: a crime for sexual gratification, so we can certainly say
39:14
Speaker 13: that sexual gratification is one of the motives in this case.
39:17
Speaker 3: What about Anna Sineta.
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, I think we have to back up a
39:21
Speaker 9: second and say that all sex, all sexual acts with
39:25
Speaker 9: anyone under the age of eighteen in California aslong with Idaho,
39:31
Speaker 9: is always non consensual. These children don't even have the
39:34
Speaker 9: ability to consent to sex. So let's get that on
39:38
Speaker 9: the table. First of all. I think one of the
39:40
Speaker 9: things we have to keep in mind, sixty six percent
39:44
Speaker 9: of child sex abuse victims are between the ages of
39:47
Speaker 9: twelve and seventeen. This is a ripe atmosphere. This woman
39:51
Speaker 9: took her position. It's easy to impress teens. She was likable,
39:58
Speaker 9: she was powerful, and she was popular. She was providing money, alcohol,
40:04
Speaker 9: everything was free to these kids. We don't know the
40:07
Speaker 9: socioeconomics of the children who are in that position, and
40:10
Speaker 9: we know that there were no other authority figures. She
40:13
Speaker 9: always set it up so that she was the sole adult,
40:16
Speaker 9: and she convinced other adults to trust her to supervise,
40:20
Speaker 9: protect and prevent any damage, and she did nothing of
40:24
Speaker 9: the sort. Instead, she was pretending that she was forever
40:27
Speaker 9: twenty one, if you will, and disregarding any sort of
40:31
Speaker 9: obligation as an adult or as an authority figure.
40:34
Speaker 2: So would you say, Anna Sonoda that she has some
40:40
Speaker 2: sort of an age regression, mental ailment or as the
40:48
Speaker 2: motive here, or do you believe it's for her pure
40:51
Speaker 2: sex gratification or so somehow she can be the quote cool.
40:55
Speaker 9: Mom, I actually don't think it matters.
40:58
Speaker 1: Why.
40:58
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't matter.
40:59
Speaker 9: Why we're so fixated on why somebody would do something.
41:04
Speaker 9: The message that listeners need to get out of this
41:08
Speaker 9: example is that people who are entrusted with your child,
41:13
Speaker 9: as long as you send them into environments in which
41:16
Speaker 9: they have space and access away from proper supervision, the
41:21
Speaker 9: highest risk environment your child can ever be in is
41:24
Speaker 9: your home or someone else's home. So if these parents
41:28
Speaker 9: had just eliminated the house parties. This wasn't happening at school,
41:32
Speaker 9: This wasn't happening at church, This wasn't happening in the
41:36
Speaker 9: local playground. This was happening at her home. Let's all
41:39
Speaker 9: wake up to the reality that our homes, and when
41:43
Speaker 9: we allow our children to go to other people's homes,
41:46
Speaker 9: that is the highest risk environment. So honestly, I don't
41:50
Speaker 9: care what reason she had for acting like a teen
41:53
Speaker 9: other than grooming and looking cool and having access and
41:58
Speaker 9: then suddenly being the one, almost like a big sister
42:01
Speaker 9: with a proper id. Here are these kids who are
42:04
Speaker 9: trying to test the boundaries because that is the appropriate
42:07
Speaker 9: developmental stage that they are going through in their own adolescents.
42:11
Speaker 2: Jane dough two did not want to testify, claiming she
42:16
Speaker 2: wants to quote forget this ever happened, but her mother
42:18
Speaker 2: spoke out, saying she's not here because she doesn't want
42:21
Speaker 2: Shannon O'Connor to own one more minute of her life.
42:25
Speaker 2: My daughter is not here because she's busy doing what
42:27
Speaker 2: kids their junior years should be doing, studying for AP tests, SATs,
42:32
Speaker 2: prom dressing, dreaming about colleges. Her life will never be
42:37
Speaker 2: the same, and I can think of five women who
42:43
Speaker 2: agree with the victims mothers. Take Allison to our cut
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Speaker 2: nineteen kron.
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Speaker 14: Five female inmates are scheduled to be arraigned in court
42:53
Speaker 14: this week after an attack on another inmate at a
42:56
Speaker 14: jail in Milpitis. Court records show the five inmates beat
42:59
Speaker 14: the Loscattos woman, Shannon O'Connor. It happened at the Elmwood
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Speaker 14: Correctional Facility. O'Connor is accused of throwing secret alcohol fueled
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Speaker 14: parties for underage boys and girls and pressuring those teenagers into.
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Speaker 3: Having sex with each other.
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Speaker 14: Prosecutors said O'Connor lured victims to her Loscattos mansion through
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Speaker 14: social media and her sons who attended Los Gatos High School.
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Speaker 14: The attack on her happened in October of last year.
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Speaker 14: Court documents show deputies broke up the fight and took
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Speaker 14: O'Connor to a hospital.
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Speaker 2: Michael Blot, former NYPD sergeant, Have you ever seen anything
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Speaker 2: like it to this extent?
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Speaker 10: No, it's crazy, and she knew exactly what she was
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Speaker 10: doing was illegal, you know, by keeping it from the
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Speaker 10: parents and conspiring with the kids to make sure they
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Speaker 10: kept it from the parents, so she knew exactly what
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Speaker 10: she was doing. And I do agree with your other
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Speaker 10: caller that none of the acts are consentual due to age,
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Speaker 10: and she's basically an accessory to a sexual assault. She's
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Speaker 10: a faitator and she encouraged the behavior. She's just as
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Speaker 10: bad as the person committing the sexual assault, and she
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Speaker 10: must be getting gratification out of it.
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Speaker 2: So much from being a cool mom not so cool
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Speaker 2: behind bars. Drew Panter, what is a status of O'Connor's case.
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Speaker 5: Oh, man, So, this is one of those cases that
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Speaker 5: just keeps going on and on. There's been many steps
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Speaker 5: and we're not even really even into the preliminary inquiry yet.
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Speaker 5: It was about to start the preliminary inquiry, and then
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Speaker 5: there was a legal maneuver that I personally wasn't familiar
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Speaker 5: with until now, which is basically going to the judge
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Speaker 5: and saying, Hey, if I plead to all the charges,
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Speaker 5: what would you give me. So that's basically the step
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Speaker 5: that we are in now, where I just spoke with
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Speaker 5: a parent yesterday and one of the parents told me that,
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Speaker 5: you know, Shannon O'Connor has now been offered a seventeen
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Speaker 5: year and four month sentence. Of course, this has not
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Speaker 5: been put on the record yet. There is a chance
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Speaker 5: that could change before you know, before I hear next. However,
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Speaker 5: that's what if she decides to plead to everything. We're
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Speaker 5: told that she could go away for seventeen years. It
45:11
Speaker 5: could have been as much as twenty, but who knows.
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Speaker 5: Maybe this is just a legal maneuver to draw things
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Speaker 5: out and basically start the process all over again of
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Speaker 5: the preliminary inquiry, and then if that goes forward, of course,
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Speaker 5: there could be a trial later on. And this is
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Speaker 5: all going after an earlier process to try to get
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Speaker 5: out on bail. She's currently in pre trial custody as
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Speaker 5: you heard there at the Elmwood facility there in Santa
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Speaker 5: Clara County, and basically her lawyer took that all the
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Speaker 5: way to the California Supreme Court. So a lot of
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Speaker 5: these kids, as you'd heard earlier, they're saying, you know,
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Speaker 5: I want my life back, and in fact they're saying, geez,
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Speaker 5: I want to at least be able to get through college,
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Speaker 5: you know, and be free from you know, any tormenting
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Speaker 5: from her. Of course, this is all now, Shannon O'Connor,
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Speaker 5: we have to say has not had a full chance
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Speaker 5: to amount to defense. Of course she could have, but
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Speaker 5: this is this has not gone to trial. However, from
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Speaker 5: a lot of the evidence that has come out so far,
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Speaker 5: there are justices in California and judges in the California
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Speaker 5: system that have pointed to the strong evidence as they
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Speaker 5: see it about some of the stuff that has happened.
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Speaker 5: So be careful. But at the same time, we have
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Speaker 5: to say, hey, this is one of those cases where
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Speaker 5: there is this seems to be at least some pretty
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Speaker 5: strong evidence of a lot of this behavior occurring. I
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Speaker 5: want to say one more thing really quickly, and that
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Speaker 5: is clarifying one of the comments that was meant that
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Speaker 5: was made earlier, and I believe one of the victims
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Speaker 5: had said, you know, I'm known as the girl who
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Speaker 5: was raped. I believe that's the same person that followed
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Speaker 5: that statement up by saying, hey, that's not even my allegation.
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Speaker 5: Now that's not to say that she believes that didn't
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Speaker 5: happen to other girls or possibly boys, we don't know.
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Speaker 10: But what the point.
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Speaker 5: Is is that we also have a responsibility as a
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Speaker 5: community in a society to be careful with how we
47:10
Speaker 5: look at how these situations play out because you know
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Speaker 5: and how you know, we don't want a victim shame either.
47:17
Speaker 5: You know, if these are victims, they need to be
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Speaker 5: seen as victims for what happened to them and they
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Speaker 5: shouldn't be tarnished with any kind of negative reputation when
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Speaker 5: if they truly are victims, that's what they are. They're victims.
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Speaker 2: As in so many other cases, the computer searches are
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Speaker 2: doing cool mom aka party mom, given name Shannon O'Connor,
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Speaker 2: they're going to do hurry in mark my words, guys,
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Speaker 2: if you know or think you know anything about this
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Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,