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Luxury Skincare Meets Immunology through the Innovations of VERDILAB · Skin Anarchy

• 0:02
  SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Skincare Anarchy.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_00: This is your host, Decta, and I am really excited to introduce to you guys the brand that we're hosting today.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of you know I'm a huge fan of anything that has to do with science-backed skincare options.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so for me, I'm always looking for the new technologies, the new innovations.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: And right now, immunology is really at the forefront in the skincare space.
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  SPEAKER_00: So it's a field that's very difficult to understand overall in medicine, but especially when we look at skin health, it's extremely important for us to not only understand it, but then also seek out the options out there that are really utilizing it and applying it to their approach for topical products.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_00: So without further ado, I want to introduce you guys to the CEO and founder of Verdi Lab Switzerland, Dr.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_00: Victoria Nayman.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to the show, Victoria.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_00: I'm so excited to host you.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, hello, Ecta.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you so much for inviting me to this uh conversation.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I'm really thrilled to have this chat with you because as I said, you know, I'm I'm a huge believer in the application of um immunology into you know topical products.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that we, as all of us know, you know, the inflammation has really been at the forefront, especially recently in the last couple of years, you know, when it comes to overall aging and just a lot of the different pathologies that we see with skin.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I think what you guys are doing is very unique, you know, and it's very, very um novel.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I'd love to learn more about it.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_00: But if you could tell us a little bit about yourself and your background and what led to the creation of Verdi Lab.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure, of course.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm a medical doctor uh in the third generation, and uh I'm coming from the medical family.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, everyone in my family wasn't is the doctor or the scientist, so except maybe my mother who is a pioneer.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_01: So from the very early ages, I was growing up being immersed uh in, you know, into this uh scientific uh environment.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh both my grandfather and my father were professors of immunology.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: So I at my dinner table, it was all the time this, you know, scientific conversation and strange terms for me uh from the very beginning.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, I knew from my early ages that uh I would become a doctor, but I didn't know that my life would uh make the different turn, and I uh found myself uh later in the industry.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: And first I spent eight years in pharma industry, and then I um jumped into the beauty industry where I spent more than 15 years, so more than 20 years in total.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um I was lucky enough because um the pharma industry in pharma uh I worked for the company that was producing the the herbal remedies, so basically the hermal medicine, herbal medicine that were curing diseases based on the natural active ingredients, and uh it was a long time ago, but I believe that you know that was the time when I basically understood for the first time how powerful the nature could be, uh, how effective the natural origin remedies and medicine can be, and I basically fall in love with that.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_01: I really enjoyed what I was doing, but then I uh found myself in the beauty industry, and I was excited even more because uh I could participate in the creation of uh great concepts and really great products, but uh spending more years in in the beauty industry, I started to feel that a lot of things I should do differently, and it came not in one day, it was you know the process, and it was the process with also continuous learning on the ingredients, on the compounds that we do not um that we should not use in the cosmetics that we all in the in the industry know and understand.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I was very much against some of the ingredients you know that that were applied at that time.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, sometimes your decisions are coming from from different angles, right?
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it's sort of the mission and the dream, sometimes it's sort of frustration that you couldn't do things in the way you would like to do.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: And uh finally I said myself, okay, if I would like to be in line with you know with myself, with my beliefs, with my philosophy, I simply have to do things my way.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_01: And uh that was the the major trigger to you know create my my own brand.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, you know, for me there were important few things, and I believe that I could utilize these things by creating my my brand.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, uh I always was uh focused on the skin health, and that's why I wanted you know to apply the clean beauty approach.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: We can call it whatever uh we call, right?
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: Clean beauty or differently, but the main idea is to exclude and avoid a number of the ingredients that have any scientific scientific proof to be harmful or not safe or not neutral for the entire body, for the skin, but also for the environment in my case.
• 5:09
  SPEAKER_01: So it was one uh big trigger that I wanted to do.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: Then I also, of course, I wanted to be focused on the skin health, and I wanted to, you know, to implement this novel approach uh to skin care, which is skin immunity.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: And basically the immunology itself is quite new uh science because it was founded, it appeared like uh in the middle of last century, and the skin immunology is really younger, and the first mentioning of this term was in the 1980s, more or less, and then starting from 2000s, there was started to appear a lot of research on skin immunity, skin immunology, and different triggers um on the skin uh immune processes.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to implement this knowledge and also the scientific discovery of my father uh in the field of immunology, shifting it into the beauty.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it was like the the second big how.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: And the the last one was, of course, my dream also to utilize some knowledge of the on the natural substances and natural ingredients, again being being focused on the skin health, because you know, as like Hippocrates rule primum non nocere.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: So we do not uh first of all, we do not uh harm, first of all, we work on the health, first of all, we work on well-being.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_01: Then in in our case, it's skin well-being.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this is the major part of how we approach to formulating and also to skincare science.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: That makes sense.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, it's very fascinating to me that you chose to go, although it's it's you know, rooted in very hard science, immunology is, I think, one of the most intricate, you know, medical sciences, as you know.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, I find it to be very interesting that you went the 100% natural route with very, very clean ingredients, because a lot of people, you know, when we look at immunology, when we look at immune responses in the body, I think a lot of times we are we see them as consumers, like for example, redness, itching, some sort of a rash, you know, that's how we are introduced to immunology is these allergic reactions.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the things that never is spoken about is that our body reacts to anything that it finds to be foreign, you know, and so when we look at something that is being formulated to be used on the skin, the skin's immune response is going to r it's gonna respond to whatever it considers to be separate from itself, you know, what it's used to seeing.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times synthetic ingredients are probably theoretically more inclined to create a more gr, I mean, what we would call a more robust response and a more, you know, negative response for us.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times people might experience that.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: For example, a lot of you out there, if you're like used to, you know, if you're if you think you have sensitive skin and you use a new uh, you know, like a new detergent to wash your laundry, you might notice, oh gosh, I'm breaking out in the rash.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of times that's because these chemicals that are put into beauty products and and wellness products, they're synthesized in the lab and they're not taking into consideration the thousands of years that it takes nature to create compatible chemicals that can be utilized by you know other organisms.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: So that's something that I find to be very fascinating about immunology and the intersection of immunology with with natural beauty, because you know, it's very important to understand that as well, that component.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I think a lot of times, you know, we discuss things like the inflammation, we discuss inflammate aging, but we're never really getting to the root cause of it.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I guess what one of my big questions for you is what made you want to go in this route of you know, clean, natural, but still focused on the science?
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh basically I wanted, you know, it was my idea behind the you know, the Verdi Lab, the my brand, because I wanted to, you know, to combine two big things that I believe are very important for today's consumers and for myself as well.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_01: First of all, of course, we are looking for the results and the effectiveness in the cosmetic products, and we would like to, you know, to improve the skin condition and also the appearance of our skin.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_01: And my approach is like to work with the skin, not against the skin.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: But this is, you know, the effectiveness is the first major thing and first major reason we we use the cosmetics.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: Second, and it is important in my opinion, because it's it's really a global trend.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's something that appears that will not disappear very soon.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is like the the direction of consumers of uh of us towards green beauty solutions, meaning that we all understand that you know that not all the ingredients are safe.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm not telling that all the synthetic ingredients are bad or all natural ingredients are good, because in our formulas we also avoid a number of natural ingredients, but we all understand that consumers really deserve transparency and knowledge.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_01: They deserve to know what they put on their face in order to make uh you know informed decisions later on.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: And people are looking, you know, green solutions, they're looking on natural ingredients, and there is a lot of consumer data that confirms that.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_01: And what I wanted to do is just to make this unique combination of two big features, first of all, delivering results that are provided by the technology, first of all, that reinforces the immunity of the skin, it calls immunaturna, it is pattern pending right now in our case, and then also implementing a number of biotechnological ingredients first of all, but not only, all of natural origin into our formulas, making them highly concentrated and super effective.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe that this approach where we combine like medical precision with 100% basically natural composition is really setting Verdilap apart today in the industry.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm very keen, believe me, to see more and more brands that are really truly clean, meaning that they avoid a number of the ingredients that we all know based on the scientific evidence, not good for the skin or for the body, but also implementing more and more natural active uh molecules and compounds in their formulas.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, that makes sense.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I want to learn more about your proprietary technology that's at play.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's called immuna auto RNA, I believe.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_01: We call it we call it immuna turna, and uh this is a simple composition of three words because you know I hate these names like uh one X that no one understands pretending to be very scientific and unique because I believe, as I said, that we all deserve uh you know sort of transparency.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: So in our case, we it's the of course it's the name of the technology because it's a combination of three words, actually.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: If you have a look on the you know, on this name, it's immune because it works in the with the immune cells and non-immune cells, it's nature because as everything in uh Vergelab, it is 100% natural origin, and RNA is the last part, is the major part of this technology, this RNA molecule that we obtained from yeast.
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  SPEAKER_01: So basically the composition of these three three three words.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's interesting.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_00: So so why did you go the RNA route?
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, RNA, like it's a very uh emerging field, you know, and biomedical sciences is using RNA for multiple reasons.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know I see it in a lot of disease and a lot of therapeutics, but why did you decide to incorporate the RNA that was isolated from yeast?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: This uh idea basically came from uh over 50 years of the scientific research made by my father, the professor in the field of immunology, because he you know investigated different types of RNA molecules and also RNA molecules that he obtained from yeasts, the form that we use in our technology.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he combined the scientific but also deep clinical investigation on RNA molecules.
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  SPEAKER_01: So basically, he proved that these RNA molecules can activate all types of the immunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: They work as a metabolic normalizer that stimulates the synthesis of proteins and also nucleic acid in the body.
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  SPEAKER_01: They also activate different enzymes to free radicals, that they also enhance the uh mitochondrial enzymes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh they work uh on different surfaces, I would say, in different ways to enhance also cooperation with immunocompetent cells to facilitate the immune response.
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  SPEAKER_01: And he checked this uh data basically within long, long time of his scientific activity on more than 10,000 patients with different diseases, including severe skin disorders.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to use utilize this knowledge, shifting it to the beauty.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: And based on this knowledge, we have created the active uh molecular complex of uh some substances together with RNA molecules obtained from yeasts that uh works on a cellular level.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: And basically, to understand how it works, first of all, let's uh go deeper a little bit, maybe into the skin immunity, right?
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Because it is important.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because for for a very long time, of course, we all know that skin is the biggest organ, and for a very long time it was considered like the you know protective shield, the organ that protects us against external um environment.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: But today we know that skin is an active organ that uh plays an active role in the immune response, and this is because in skin we can find immune cells uh and in epidermis, but also in dermis itself, but also non-immune cells, and these cells uh cooperate together uh and take part in the immune response.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: And when it comes to immune cells, for example, we we know that there are Langerhass cells that are uh located mostly in the epidermis, and they have the specific abilities to you know to capture first and then the process different antigens uh from bacteria or or viruses through different types of phagocytosis or endocytosis, and later on they are migrating to the lymphatic nodes, and then they stimulate and activate different types of T cells and also differentiation of T cells into T killers, for example, then start to kill these uh pathogens.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: In dermis, apparently we can find different types of um other immune cells like microphages, but also different types of uh T lymphocytes.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: But what is very important also that in the skin, the well-known cells that we know very well, like fibroblasts and keratinocytes, which we call non-immune cells, they take part actively in the in the immune response by different uh mechanisms.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_01: For example, uh keratinocytes as well as fibroblasts can produce directly antimicrobial peptides like defencines, for example.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_01: And defencines can have the ability to kill the viruses and microbes, right?
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Then they also produce by themselves different types of cytokines and chemokines.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: And these are very important signaling proteins that are involved in the innate immunity.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: And some of them are pro-inflammatory, some of them are anti-inflammatory, like uh intervalikins 8, for example, or tumor necrosis, tumor necrosis factor sulpha are pro-inflammatory cytokines that are activated during the you know, uh pro-inflammatory response, or you know, uh protecting our cells against external pathogens, or anti-inflammatory cytokines that work to facilitate the wound healing, for example, and tissue repair.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: And there are different types of transforming growth better factor and also different types of enterolychins, IL, right?
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: So uh, and uh in this case, we even working with or stimulating in different ways keratinocytes and fibroblasts, we also facilitate the immune response uh of the skin, which is uh very important in our case.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, uh our technology uh is uh the composition of uh active molecules of RNA, as we discussed already, that we obtain from uh from yeast, but we also enrich this uh composition with uh marine exopolysaccharides because marine exopolysaccharides, this is also the biotechnological ingredient that is obtained from uh marine plankton, and it um has a synergistic effect, acting on both the innate immunity and also inflammatory mediators.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: On top of that, we combined our technology with isotonic seawater.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: Seawater is coming from the Atlantic Ocean and it provides uh 62 different types of minerals, salts, and also trade trace elements to the skin, like feeding the skin.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And on top of that, we use also molecules of hyaluronic acid naturally obtained by biotechnology from uh lactic bacteria.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they also have synergistic effects, enhancing the proliferation of the skin.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And uh basically, all that is packed with uh transdermal delivery system.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_01: We use liposomal capsules uh with B layers, biomimetic capsules that uh help us to you know prevent the integrity of fragile molecules of our complex, but also to go deeper into the deeper layers of the of the skin.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, we we provide a lot of research on how our technology works.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: So we did uh we we did research on in vitro models, uh, we also use extivo and in vivo, and we proved that it reinforces the the response of the skin, but also the major functions of the skin on a cellular level.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: This is really, really interesting stuff, and I I find it to be very fascinating that you've taken such a multifaceted approach to this because one of my big questions was that you know, you had brought up the balancing aspect, right, of the skin.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: And um, with any kind of technology, I think a lot of times what I've seen is we often use things that kind of uh strip our skin in a way.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, whether we think it is or not, sometimes things end up really killing off like our microbiome or they start damaging the skin barrier.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: And a lot of that is mitigated by utilizing more nourishing ingredients.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm glad I'm glad that you've also incorporated that aspect where you've balanced the system out, you know, in this in the sense that it's not just one component that you're working with.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_00: You know, a lot of times, you know, a lot of times brands are like so focused on one technology that they forget that the skin is a balanced organ like any other organ, you know, but especially the skin, it's very, very dynamic.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: It needs nourishment, it needs protection, but at the same time, you're right, it needs real targeted solutions.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is very cool, you know, how you're doing this because RNA technology is always going to be at the forefront, in my opinion.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we've just now started tapping into it for multiple therapeutic reasons.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: I work with cancers like Leoblastoma, and we're looking at, you know, RNA technology even there, you know, so it's a very cutting-edge field, and to see it being applied in skincare and skin health products is very, very novel.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but one of my big questions is what are some of the top performing products?
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: If you could give our listeners kind of an understanding, so when they're shopping Verdi Lab, they can go right to the products that are the top performing ones.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: I absolutely agree with you.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, the combination of actives is is very important.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Before we're coming to this most performing products, I just wanted to comment what you said because I'm completely agree.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the combination of actives and treating our our skin in a complex way is really something that uh you know works.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_01: And on RNA molecules, I believe that we don't know yet everything.
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_01: And in in Verdilla, for example, we we have in still in the you know projected for the future some further uh investigations and scientific research that will uh help us to understand the pathophysiology, how how it works, because at the moment we know exactly how it reinforces the, for example, for proliferation of fibroblasts in the skin, how it prolongs the longevity of uh fibroblasts, keratinocytes, and uh other immune cells also in the skin.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: We know that wood healing processes and regeneration of the skin is increased almost twice.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: We know that um production of glucosaminoglycans in the skin that are very important as well because they it keeps the skin.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: In moisture whey uh is also increased, but we don't know and and we we don't understand yet everything, so that's why it's an ongoing process on the further in investigation.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: So when it comes to our products, first of all, what I would like to say that uh in addition to immunaturna technology, as I said, we use only natural origin uh compounds, and of course, it's also a tricky term because you know there is no any unified definition.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_01: What does it mean natural origin, right?
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: But we have the rules, for example, established by ICO 16128 norm or uh by uh Cosmos Natural.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_01: So they explicitly say what kind of the ingredients we can treat at as natural ingredients.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_01: That first of all, the molecules should not be modified, and also synthetic enzymes and other uh you know uh chemicals should not be used during the production of these ingredients.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_01: So we are acting according to these norms.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: And on top of that, what I would say, we of course we will do not use any synthetic emulsifiers or preservatives, we use uh all uh you know biomimetic equivalents of uh natural origin, but anyhow, we still uh are able to you know to ensure at least uh three years of the shelf life and stability of our products, which is very important, I believe, especially when it comes to natural formulas.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: We do not use uh the regular water as a solvent because you know that we we need to use any solvent for active ingredients, but in Verdelab, instead of water, we use the organic algae serum.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: And this serum we source from the um ecological region uh in the north of France, and this serum is extremely rich also in nutrients, and it's sourced basically as a technical solvent, but also sort of the active ingredients in our formulas.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: So this is like our uh green uh green uh chemistry uh approach.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_01: What is also important, we use uh fragrances because I believe that moments for myself when I use my cosmetics on my body or on my face, but the point is that all the fragrances that we use are of natural origin and they're free from allergens.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_01: In Europe, we have the obligation right now to list all 26 allergens, uh fragrance allergens, and in case of Verde Lab, we have we have none of them in our formulas that makes products suitable for sensitive skin, which is, I believe, also important because you know sensitivity unfortunately is increasing in the world.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, according to the data from World Health Organization, it's more than 60% of the entire population that declare that they have sensitive skin or some allergic moments or or even exam on the skin.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_01: So it's really scaring.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe this is because we use or people use a number of the ingredients and cosmetics that unfortunately are harsh, as you said.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: For example, different uh types of washing agents like cleansers that can unfortunately hurt the skin and uh and later on we have some sensitivity.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: So for me, it also was uh very important to maintain the health of the skin and to produce or to create the formulas that are safe for sensitive skin.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: When it comes to our portfolio, where we have just 14 products at the moment that are uh divided into five derma protocols, and each derma protocol is addressing the specific skin needs.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: So we have the natural cleansers that are do not contain sulfates, of course, and they have very uh physiological pH, which is around 5, 5.5.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_01: Then we have the uh hydrating and cellular pollution protection dermal protocol, and here we have uh products with symbiotic complexes.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, this is the combination of pre-pro and postbiotics, which is very important.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with you because the microbiome is also altered.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: It is very, especially after, you know, because it is exposed to different types of pollution pollution, but also um radiation, but even after different types of aesthetic treatments, like laser treatments, it is altered as well.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: So we need to, you know, maintain the healthy balance of microbiome and also defeat good bacteria and to increase the level of good bacteria, decreasing the level of bad bacteria, and that we do with two hour products.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_01: And uh one of them is really bestseller.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this is the probiotic full name of the product is natural moisturizer probiotic cream.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: So this cream contains uh this synbiotic complex, but also uh pro-repair complex that is uh the composition of microalga, uh full uh rich in fetal peptides, but also silvander, organic alloy, and the green tea extract that we use.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: And what is important also using natural extracts, it is very important to use extracts that are standardized because uh the natural ingredients can vary very much depending on the on the weather that you have or or you know different uh sun exposure, etc.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh when we use standardized ingredients, we exactly know the level of active molecules that we have, so we can really make uh our formulas working uh very well.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: So this uh I didn't know if you already tried this product, but uh it's a really very good solution for especially for summer days and hot days because it increases uh the moisturization of the skin in one hour, more than 100%, and it keeps the moisture level more than 100% comparing to control within the the next 12 hours.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: So it's really very very strong result.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_01: And on top of that, it also brings the antioxidant activity to the to the skin cells.
• 27:39
  SPEAKER_01: We measure this in each and every product in our in vitro research, and in case of this product, it is uh 98% of the oxidant properties uh of this product.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, yeah, this sounds really, really fascinating.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, everything I've tried from the collection is phenomenal.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I I think that for me, I'm always looking for a hydration boost in general, but um also I personally noticed, like, you know, just from my own use of the products, my skin just feels like it feels stronger, you know.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: For me, I try a lot of products, so over time I I find myself that I've either stripped my skin or I've done some damage, right?
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: At some point because I'm always testing things, but I really love I know what the I love your product because I remember I used um you know the the overnight mask, one of the overnight masks is the very it's the nourishing one, the one that nourishes.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it is amazing, it's an amazing product, and it's literally overnight.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: My skin felt like not only renewed and rejuvenated.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: I woke up obviously with that beautiful glow that we want, you know, just but it just felt stronger, you know, it felt like it's repairing itself, it felt like it's finally healing, you know, and I rarely feel that with many products.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, I can I try a lot of things and I think some things are great, you know, and and you can tell when things are great, but it's rare to find a product that immediately shows you that it's really working, you know, on that cellular level to strengthen your barriers, strengthen your skin overall, and also restore integrity of your skin.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: And that product for me was just it's phenomenal.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: You know, another one for me was your cleanser, the balm, the rich uh cleansing balm.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Cleansing balm, yes.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of the best uh cleansing balms I've ever used.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's really, really good.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't do a lot of like double cleansing, but what I like what I really love is a really great like lipid-based cleanser that's going to get everything off, you know?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_00: And so when I can use just one and then maybe a gentle cleanser later, it's great for me because at the at night when we're doing our skincare, I mean, I don't know about the rest of you listening, but I do most of my skincare at night.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_00: So I want my face to feel not only clean, but like really balanced after I cleanse it.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: And this balm is just it's beautiful.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's a really, really great option.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Whether you wear makeup, whether you like sunscreen, whatever you want to get off, it's gonna get it off, and you're not gonna strip your skin.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: So I really encourage our listeners to definitely check out those two products that I listed because I I really love them.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you so much.
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's my lovely product.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_01: I love this product as well, the balm, because I have the combination skin, and of course, I have the specific uh treatment of my skin.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: I use, for example, our acid power concentrate that I apply on our T zone.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: My T zone uh it contains three different types of uh three generation basically of acids.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_01: But when it comes to bonds, that is more essential, it's still not oily, right?
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Because we formulate it not based on just the oils, but we use also uh sugar ester base and a lot of green extracts like of uh sica.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: This is um uh you know the calming extract, right?
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_01: The calming uh plant, but also aloe and green tea uh that works uh synergistically.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: And we have also the uh some the clinical data on this balm, and we see how you know we increase the smoothness of the skin just after the few views of this uh of this product, which is amazing.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: That's so cool.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I love it, and I think it it definitely speaks for itself.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_00: You know, once you once you use it, you're gonna see that it like immediately that it's one of the best cleansing bombs out there, like hands down.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_00: So I really encourage everybody to check it out and check out the whole line, you guys.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: Honestly, it's a beautiful line, it's very well crafted.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's very rare these days to see true like luxury meets science in this industry, I think.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: Very rarely do I find the true quality that I'm looking for, you know, because for me as a consumer, I never want to compromise on that feeling of I'm using luxury products that really make me feel like my self-care time is worth it.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_00: But at the same time, the science is there, you know, so I can like geek out over the science.
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: And this is a beautiful, beautiful combination of both aspects.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: And I really, really encourage your listeners to check out Verdi Lab.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: I will be linking everything in the show notes uh for this episode, so definitely check them out.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: But it has been such an honor chatting with you today and learning from you.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much for coming.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 32:00
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