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Rick Mast Show | William Byron Over Christopher Bell: Did NASCAR Make The Right Call at Martinsville? · Kenny Wallace Media

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All right, boom, we are live the the trucking truth.
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This person named the trucking truth.
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He has been patiently waiting. I'm going to put his comments up
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right now. Rick Mass, the trucking truth.
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He says he's all by myself. He was waiting, he was patiently
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waiting for us to start the Rick Mass show.
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And now we have that's the great Rick Mass.
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I'm Charlie, Marlowe and Rick, who do we have a lot to talk
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about this morning. Buddy.
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Yes we do, babe. And hello, trucking truth.
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Now you're not by yourself any longer, dude.
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Welcome aboard. Yeah, we got the trucking truth,
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we got the booba. He's also he or she, waiting to
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break it all down. So let's get right to it at the
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end. We'll we'll do the pleasantries
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and I'll ask about your weekend. But Rick, there's, there's too
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much NASCAR to talk about. Let's just start like this.
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I'm just going to ask you a basic question.
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Did NASCAR get it right with their call, with their ruling
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that Christopher Bell rode the wall?
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And thus William Byron is in and Christopher Bell is out.
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The short answer is yeah. The long answer is, well, let's
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let's explain why. Why it's yeah, dude, the rule is
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the rule. OK, The the the the 20 car when
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he got into the wall. I mean, I understand that he ran
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in there and he got by 43 got in the wall.
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Dude, we all do what the 43 car was doing, right?
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We all know what the one in the three car was doing.
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It's it's called, you know, manipulated or whatever you want
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to call it. But anyhow, when it when when
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Bell got into the wall band and you could you could see it from
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the in car camera dude, if he just eased up a little bit,
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pulled it off the wall, got back in it wide open, you know, all
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he had to worry about was a 43 pass and the 43 was not going to
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pass him right. The 43 had already had a tire
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going down and let him go. So you know, once he got into
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the wall, if he just just turned the left and got off of it man
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and got back in the gas, it wouldn't have happened.
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But you know, NASCAR paints themselves into a corner, dude,
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with these rules, right? And when you have a rule, you've
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got to stick to it. I mean, you know, damn, he, he,
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it's like, dude, get off the wall.
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That's, that's not going to work for you.
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We all know it's a rule now, right?
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And nobody's tested that. Nobody's tested that rule since
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they, they put it in. So, you know, they that, you
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know, I think Kyle Petty said it right last night.
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Listen, they stuck. They did what the rule says, you
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know, forget about it going to going to Phoenix, but, you know,
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we're not going to forget about it.
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No, no, no, no. The fans are not letting us
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forget about it. We I kept up with that ban
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between the presidential election of NASCAR last night,
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this morning, You know, my eyes are just buzzing.
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They're just buzzing reading all this stuff.
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So yeah, to answer your question overall, generally, yeah, They
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got it right, Charlie. I think what's interesting and I
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I went and watched Elton Sawyer's press conference last
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night. It was about 12 minutes or so
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where he explained everything. And clearly it seemed like
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NASCAR only ruled on the safety issue.
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They called it the wall ride in terms of Christopher Bell.
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And I think it took 27 minutes from the end of the race for
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NASCAR's ruling to be announced, whether it was on Twitter or the
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NBC broadcast. But after watching Alton Sawyer,
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it seems like they didn't take into account at all any of the
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race manipulation, any of the team play.
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So we could still have some penalties coming out maybe on
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Wednesday for some of these cars that were setting up the
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blockade for each other. But that's what I find
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interesting too, because as I'm waiting, I'm thinking, well, OK,
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clearly it was some semblance of a wall ride, right?
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How are they going to basically take that into account?
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But also there was team play on both sides.
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Are they going to take all these things into account?
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It sounds like they just ruled on the wall ride.
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Dude, when I was sitting there and it was taking so long to me,
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to me, the wall ride was like pretty simple.
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It was a pretty cut and dry yes or no answer.
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I, you know, I thought, you know, when I, when I saw it, I'm
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like, dude, he rode the wall. Now I didn't know.
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You know, the, the thing of it is, I didn't know the wording of
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the rule. I didn't know if they said you
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can't gain positions by riding the wall.
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It's kind of like going below the yellow line at Talladega
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Daytona. To gain a position, you go below
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the yellow line, but you can't gain a position right long as
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you come back up. I didn't know how that rule
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read. Yeah, as far as getting into the
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wall, evidently it reads you can't get in the wall and just
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keep on going, right, Whether you pass somebody or not.
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So I'm sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting patiently
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like everybody. And I'm like, they must be
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reviewing the one and three card deal, right?
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They must be reviewing that. But then I'm thinking, well,
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they can review that, but that will help.
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No burn on the 24. The 24 did nothing wrong, right?
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He was the one in front of these two guys.
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They were doing their shenanigans in behind the 24.
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You know, keep that all bound up, mixed up.
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So, you know, it was very confusing to me why it took so
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long to to to come up with that rule.
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But and that's course defense. You know, this is a big time
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that's ruling. I mean, that's a big ruling,
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dude. You put a team in, you put a
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team in championship deal and you take one out.
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No matter what their rule, whichever way they rule it,
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somebody's going in and somebody's going out.
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So I understand. Probably that's the reason they
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were very, maybe they went back and read the rule two or three
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times. I don't know, right.
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Do we know if it how that rule reads, Charlie?
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Because I don't know. And here I am a professional
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trying to teach the racing fans in world how this goes and I do
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not know how that rule reads. I made a mistake.
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I should have did my homework last night.
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I'm not Larry McReynolds. Hey, I'm not either.
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I'll tell you what, next time I ask you a question, make sure
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you talk for about two to three minutes and I will look up the
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rule as you're as you're talking there.
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I think what's fascinating about it with the with the sea bell
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deal, Clearly it was a wall ride, but it was not the same as
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the hail melon with Ross Chastain.
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Ross Chastain in his brain said, I used to do this on the video
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games. Carl Edwards tried this a bunch
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of years ago. I'm going to do this because I
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have to do this to advance to Phoenix.
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And he did it two years ago. Seabel was different because it
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was a racing move, right? He goes to pass Bubba, he gets
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loose, he hits the wall. He's on the wall for a while.
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But I think everybody can agree. Then he, he hung on the wall
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longer than he needed to, right? If he did, if he did, kind of
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skated off the wall a little bit.
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I think it's all good. So to me, it's not.
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It's not exactly the same as as Ross Chastain, but I think he
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hung on the wall just long enough to look pretty clearly
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guilty. Yeah, he did.
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And that's that goes back to my original statement, Charlotte,
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all the dude had to do turn it left, get off the wall and get
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back start finished life. That's all a dude had to do.
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And I know he knows that now at this point, but he got in there.
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He he knew he passed the car. He had to keep cars behind him,
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right. So in the moment, you know, he's
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in the wall. Hell, I just keep it wide open
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now some that way nobody, nobody could get by me till we get back
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to the checkered flag. But you know, I'm sitting there
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as a fan watching, knowing what the rule is Now I'm like, dude,
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you just cost yourself you, you, you just cost yourself a shot at
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the championship. But I mean, I know that's kind
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of hard and tough. But, and again, NASCAR, you
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know, they, they, they make these rules and they plant
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themselves in a, in a place where man, it's just, it's going
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to be damn if you do and damn if you don't.
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And that's, you know, it was just, it was just man, what a
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unique circumstance yesterday. And I, you know, and they, they,
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they talk about, well, I'll let you go ahead with, with your
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questions and stuff. No, you can go ahead.
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But I also I have the I have the actual language from NASCAR.
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OK, here we go. So this is from motorsport.com.
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It's an article written January 31st, 2023.
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So here it is. I will read.
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It says it says NASCAR issued the following update to teams
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this week regarding the Chastain move quote.
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NASCAR will deem any future use of that maneuver as unsafe, per
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Section 10.5 dot 2.6 dot A of the NASCAR rule book.
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To ensure that our competitors do not employ strategies that
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may compromise the safety of themselves, other competitors or
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fans, NASCAR will issue a time penalty to any vehicle that
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attempts an unsafe maneuver such as the one performed at
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Martinsville. It says this is not a new rule.
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The safety language has existed in the rule book and following
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Martinsville we evaluated it and chose to officiate consistently
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for the final race of 2022. Since the end of the season, we
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have worked with the drivers and teams to discuss the best way to
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officiate, slash interpret the rule for 2023 and we believe
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this is the right interpretation for the safety of our
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competitors moving forward. Now I could go back and actually
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read also Rick section 10.5 dot 2.6 dot A, but I think everybody
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got got the drill there. You can't do the wall ride.
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You just can't do the wall. I doesn't do it.
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So there there's no language about advancing or not advancing
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your position. OK, that was my big question.
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Because if you advance the position, then like the yellow
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line rule that it shouldn't come into effect, but it's it's
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solely based on safety and getting into the wall and doing
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that. And they're very specific.
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You can't do that. So, you know, you know, it's
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controversial, Charlie, but you know, it's there is there it is.
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There's a rule. I mean, and and and you know, I
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bashed NASCAR just like the rest of them when they're wrong.
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But on this one, the rule states that.
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And you know, I'm so sure of it that when I was watching the
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race, during the race, I'm thinking, dude, get off the
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wall, get off the wall. Then it was over.
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I'm like, dude, you just cost, you just cost yourself, right?
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You just did it. You just knocked yourself out of
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the championship deal by doing that.
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And you know, that's just that's just the way it is that doubt
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that you you change the rule, but.
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OK, so I actually have I have the rule.
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So basically it's kind of a a different interpretation of the
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actual rule. This isn't too long though, but
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I think it's interesting. So the wording of 10 dot 5.2 dot
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6.8 is as follows. Quote safety is a top priority
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for NASCAR and NEM NASCAR event management.
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Therefore, any violations deemed to compromise the safety of an
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event or otherwise pose a dangerous risk to the safety of
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competitors, officials, spectators or others are treated
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with the highest degree of seriousness.
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Safety violations will be handled on a case by case basis.
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So at the end there the old case by case basis.
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Now look, I, I, I, in my opinion, fairly criticized
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NASCAR when they deserve it. Also, I think, I think they
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ruled correctly on the wall ride, but that's all they ruled
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on, right? And there was a lot of other
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high jinks going on. And how about this, you can make
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the case that the only reason Sea Bell rode the Wall is
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because the Chevy's were were blocking, right?
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And so Sea Bell had to pull that move out because if Austin
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Dillon and if, who else was it, Ross Cheston and hell, maybe
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even Brad Keselowski ends up passing William Byron, well then
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Sea Bell doesn't have to make that move.
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So I agree with NASCAR's interpretation of the Wall ride,
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but there was a whole hell of a lot more going on.
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Yeah, and we go back to manipulation, right.
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And I think back so much of that Richmond race when they come out
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from manipulation rule. I didn't understand the
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manipulation rule, OK, when they came out with it.
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We've had it for some number of years now, you know.
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But we, what is what does it mean to manipulate the race?
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Well, hell, you're always manipulating the race.
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I'm not sure how well they can do that, you know, and what all
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that. Listen, dude, listen, dude, I've
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been confused about the manipulation rule ever since
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NASCAR Institute. You know, they did it after the
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Michael Walter fiasco at Richmond years ago and it's
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always been in play. But you go to any race,
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especially Talladega or Daytona, we held that the manufacturers
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are working together all the time, right?
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They're they'll work together to keep another competitor from
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doing because he's at a different deal.
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I mean, I remember somebody pushing a guy at Talladega years
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ago, the last lap when the when his fellow competitor had run
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out of gas and he had his teammate bumping him a few times
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the last lap or two to get him across the start finish line.
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And that was before the manipulation rule.
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I'm pretty sure that that would have fallen into on the ends of
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the manipulation rule, right? And then Daryl would be happy
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and me and Harry would not be happy.
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But anyhow, you know that and it was obvious, Charlie, it was
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obvious to me anyhow, what the one and the three were doing.
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OK, in the poor 6 car, he was hung up right in behind him. 24
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couldn't get out of his own way. But those guys that's got side
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by side. I mean, there's some people
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saying, you know, Earnhardt did it the last lap at Talladega,
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right? But we lost Dale, you know,
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whether he was or not, hell, I don't know.
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I couldn't figure that one out, to be honest with you.
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I don't think he really was at that point when the wreck
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happened with Dale, but before that, maybe a little bit of it,
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but golly, man, it was obvious what was going on.
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But here's the deal, Charlie. So So what if they were, if they
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were doing that, if the one and the three were purposely rotted
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side to side and not going to pass the 24, All right, then who
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do you penalize? You can't penalize the 24.
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He's not doing anything wrong. He he's sitting there riding,
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running his deal. Guys are behind him.
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He has no control over what those guys behind him are doing.
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So he's doing his deal. If you're going to penalize,
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you're going to have to penalize the three in the one.
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But then that's going to go into the language of the manipulation
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rule, right? And I'm not sure what, you know,
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what everybody's pissed off about here about that thing.
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You know, it's just it's very excited.
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It was excited at the end. The one thing I didn't like was
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some of the stuff afterwards and then one of the TVTV
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commentators said this is stupid and what a shame and all that.
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But you know, it's part of our sport right now, I think.
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OK, I'm going to. I'm going to look up the race
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manipulation. Rule.
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Also, as I ask you this question, because you brought up
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the Michael Waltrip situation, this is something that I didn't
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really remember. So I see people on on X slash
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Twitter saying, look, Michael Waltrip got all these penalties
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and essentially his company was ruined for for less than what
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happened last night. This was somebody else's opinion
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on that. So I'm asking you, first of all,
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explain to to myself and all the people watching.
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but explain the Michael Waltrip controversy.
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And do you think was that similar to last night?
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Was it worse? Was it not the same?
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What do you think? They needed a call.
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The team needed a caution. Gosh, I can't remember who the
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driver was dude. Was it Clint Boyer?
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I believe it was Clint, yeah. And Brian Vickers, maybe, yeah.
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And, well, not Mark Truex, right?
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Yes, yes. So anyhow, team orders come down
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for the driver to make to spend the car out, right?
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So I guess he he spun the car out to bring out a caution on
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purpose and they had it, they had it recorded and NASCAR heard
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the spotter telling the guy basically he had to spin the car
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out to bring the need to bring a caution out.
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So the driver spun the car out, right, brought a caution out and
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then that put their teammate in the chase or in the point steal,
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right. But when NASCAR was done with
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him, man, it was such a bad deal, you know, and, and, and,
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and MWR had already, they already had a bad mark on them
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because of the very first race out when they started that deal.
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They got caught at Daytona with, with nitrous, you know, and
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qualifying and all that. So that was a black, it was a
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cloud hanging over Michael's deal for a good while.
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And then when that happened, that particular race, man, that
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ended it. I mean, Napa, I think Napa was
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embarrassed. The sponsor was embarrassed.
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And you know the I'm saying it ended their their, their team
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because not because NASCAR shot them down, but because the
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sponsors got embarrassed. That said, we ain't going to be
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a part of this. So they lost a sponsor and the
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team that shut down was that was that simple.
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And. And from that became the
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manipulation rule. Yeah.
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OK. And I've been Googling and I
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still haven't found it, so I will continue.
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I'll tell you what somebody in the chat, if you can find the
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language for the race manipulation because I want to
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read that as well. So much to talk about.
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I think the fact that you had 27 minutes to process all this and
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I'm not a big conspiracy. Theorist.
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But you do have, look, if if Seabel gets in, then you only
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have two Toyotas and you have two Penske Fords getting in,
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right? No Chevys.
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You know, in a perfect world, NASCAR would like for all the
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manufacturers to be in. You also have a driver from
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Hendrick Motorsports right there.
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There's people always talking about, oh, Hendrick Motorsports,
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they're in bed with NASCAR and all that.
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And oh, by the way, I know there was a penalty, but Hendrick
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already got screwed a couple weeks ago with Alex Bowen.
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I'm not saying they shouldn't have been, but there was just
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there was so many little angles to think about as we're waiting
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to see when this ruling dropped. But again, they didn't look
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from, from what I interpreted from Elton Sawyer, they didn't
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look at the team play. And so I think there's going to
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be penalties off the team play, but it's not going to be any
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type of penalties that's going to knock drivers out of the
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championship. I'm sure they'll be fines and
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all that. Don't you think, Rick?
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They have to find these guys a lot like to get rid of this, to
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really get rid of the team play, the egregious manipulation,
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there has to be really severe penalties, I think.
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Yeah, it would be and I don't know.
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Yeah, but but Charlie, then it clouds everything or all right,
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I get it at Martinsville, what was going on, But then, you
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know, another race tracks, the guys are always helping during
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the race stuff. When it comes down to the end,
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it kind of goes away. But during the race the guys are
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always helping teammates and or manufacturers that OEM, OEM
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manufacturer partners, they're always doing it and it's just
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it's more it goes on every week. It's just more pronounced at
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Daytona. Talladega it's right there in
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front of you, Betty, and you can see how really plays out big
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time. So, you know, I'm not sure what
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NASCAR says or what you know, how they you know, because right
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now in our sport, everything has to be so black and white, right?
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And if it's not black and white, we get criticized or NASCAR gets
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criticized for it. So I'm not sure where where you
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draw that line as far as you know, you can't do this or we're
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going we're going to find you 50 grand and we're going to take 50
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points away from you or we're going to suspend you for a race.
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I don't know, man, where they come up with that.
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And to address the other part, to address the other part,
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Charlie, about you talking about the fans talking about the, you
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know, doing this to get a Chevrolet in, Dude, I'm telling
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you, you know, we have listened to this stuff since I've
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listened to it since I've been in NASCAR.
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Kenny Schrader made the best quote on this years ago, Bad
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when we were racing with it was this thing called, he got the
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call. He got the call, right.
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That means that Daytona, Talladega, you got a little
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NASCAR give you a little bit bigger spacer plate.
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So, so you could win. So he got the call right and,
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and Schrader or other things with rules and Schrader put the
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comment, I said, listen man, he said I've got 3 phone numbers.
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He said, I gave them to Bill France.
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I give them to bike Hilton, I give them to Gary.
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I gave everybody my phone numbers and I never got a call.
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I never got the call right. And just making a joke about it,
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making just talking about, you know, it's really silly for for
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that to even be thought that could go on.
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You know, if this manipulation stuff of NASCAR, if it was true,
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Dale Earnhardt junior would be a eight time champion right now.
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Charlie, right, our most popular driver for years and years and
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years. And he was not and you know, he
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didn't win the championship. And you know that right there
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should be proof and point to everybody that NASCAR just
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doesn't do this. They they just don't do it.
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I've never seen, especially in the modern era, the modern era.
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Let's let's talk about the modern area.
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I've never seen anything like that with proof that they that
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they've done that. It's just the way this shit
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plays out. You know, I was sitting in the
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truck in Atlanta with with NASCAR hierarchy, right?
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And I forget what we were talking about.
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It was some rule or somebody who's getting penalized or
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something. And the guys were agonized.
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There's a couple of them talking about and they were agonizing a
21:29
lot over, well, you know, you're going to do this role that
21:32
always down. We're going to be pulling for so
21:34
and so right. And and it's like they were
21:36
agonizing over knowing what the they know what the ramifications
21:40
going to be when they make a ruling, right?
21:43
And they're agonizing over like we know what's coming by doing
21:45
this. They're going to accuse us of
21:47
this or favoritism or whatever, but, you know, we got to stick
21:51
to our guns and just, you know, the way it is.
21:55
Yeah, Robert McElroy quotes Mark Martin from Twitter last night.
22:00
We have a shit show here that's from Mark the kid, Martin.
22:04
Bill Goodwin says the one so Chastain, the three Austin
22:10
Dillon and the 23 Bubba Wallace are all guilty of race
22:13
manipulation. I agree.
22:16
And that's where it's also I. Agree.
22:18
Look, they were. Caught red handed because it's
22:20
on the radio communications now. I'm sure everybody heard this
22:23
because again, NBC had 27 minutes.
22:26
They played all this. You heard, you heard, you know
22:30
Bubba got the info and then he said something about he had a
22:33
bad tire. He had a tire going down.
22:35
Which didn't seem true. And clearly NASCAR can check to
22:39
see if that's true. Now I have this article from
22:42
Auto Week just because we can't play the the audio right here.
22:46
But here's here's Austin Dillon's radio communications.
22:49
This is some quotes from Auto Week.
22:52
Dylan says, quote, does he know the deal?
22:54
His team member? I'm trying to find him to tell
22:57
him. Does the one Chastain crew chief
23:00
know the deal? Another team member?
23:02
Yeah, he should. Here's Chastain's radio
23:04
communications, nice and smart with the 24.
23:08
Of course, Byron 24 is 1 to the good, one point to the good.
23:12
They're even the six. Kozlowski is lined up to the
23:16
three. So I mean, right there, it's
23:19
obvious they're saying, look, because Kozlowski is obviously a
23:23
Ford. They're saying you got help.
23:26
Austin Dillon, Ross Chastain, you can set up the blockade.
23:29
Brad Kozlowski is probably not going to play ball, but if you
23:32
block him out, all of a sudden you set up the convoy for Willie
23:35
B to win. So it's like, I mean, you're
23:38
caught red handed. Everybody heard this this audio.
23:42
Yeah, Bill Goodwin. You're right, buddy.
23:44
You're right. The one, the three to 23 are
23:45
guilty of race manipulation. What, what, what, you know, we
23:49
got to find, we got to figure out what the rule is on the race
23:52
manipulation because that'll well, we'll know by Election Day
23:55
or Tuesday or whoever the president is by Wednesday.
23:58
Same time we find all that stuff out about the national election.
24:01
We should find out what's this manipulation rule means because
24:05
I don't know. I don't know what it is.
24:07
I mean, I, there's definitely, you know, I'm watching that.
24:10
And again, Charlie, I'm sitting here thinking, as we talked
24:13
about before, we're 27 minutes waiting for the decision to come
24:16
down from NASCAR in my mind and there's no decision on the guy
24:19
riding the wall. That should be a three second,
24:22
you know, answer. Yeah, he can't do that.
24:25
You know, I'm thinking, all right, they're talking about
24:27
they're thinking about all this other stuff they said they did,
24:29
Nelson. So you said no, we were just we
24:30
weren't talking about that. So that stuff's going to be
24:33
talked about again, you know, where do you draw the line on
24:37
the manipulation? I mean, it's all obvious to us,
24:39
right? And fans and you and me and
24:41
everybody, what we watched yesterday, Yep, they
24:44
manipulated. There's no doubt about it.
24:46
So what does NASCAR do about it? Hell, I don't know.
24:49
I don't know. As it turned out, right, if they
24:52
would have let, if the 24, if those cars are went by the 24,
24:58
he wouldn't be in it, right, Charlie?
25:00
No, if if the 23 had to let the 20 by would he have been in it?
25:07
And I'm not sure how the points works that work there, but I
25:09
mean they're both sides are manipulating for both teams.
25:13
Yeah, I'm still trying to find this race manipulation rule.
25:17
So everybody bear with me here while I try to because I want to
25:20
find the the exact language. But just because we have the
25:25
four here, we have the four drivers in.
25:27
What do you think about this? I know we're not supposed to
25:30
call it the Final Four, but look, I understand it's the
25:34
playoffs, the playoffs in any sport.
25:36
It's not always fair to the best teams, drivers, whatever you
25:40
want to say. In the regular season, we've
25:42
seen, we've seen what? The Patriots went undefeated in
25:45
the regular season in football. They lost to the Giants.
25:48
Yeah. I just feel like, and I said
25:50
this last night, we did a live stream with with Kenny Wallace
25:52
and it just feels wrong to me in 2024.
25:56
I'm not. I'm not saying that it's unfair,
25:59
but it just kind of feels wrong that Kyle Larson is not in the
26:02
championship for. I just feel like the whole
26:05
season was about Kyle Larson winning stages and leading laps
26:09
and winning six races. All the controversy about the
26:12
double and all that. It just felt like the year of
26:15
Kyle Larson and for him to not even be able to compete for a
26:18
championship, it just it leaves me wanting more.
26:24
Charlie, there is no doubt that this championship thing, the
26:28
chase, all this stuff, there's no doubt, no doubt it brings
26:32
excitement to our sport. You know, we can't, you know,
26:36
even the old time purists like myself, we cannot deny that it
26:40
brings excitement. It does big time, big time.
26:43
And we wouldn't be talking about this today, right?
26:46
But, but, but on the other side of it, it has its flaws.
26:51
There's no doubt that it's got some flaws in it.
26:54
Now, do we want to be a stick and ball sport with our playoff
27:00
if our playoff format, is that what we want?
27:03
If that's what we want, then that what we're doing right now
27:06
is the way it is in, in in sticking ball sports.
27:10
You know, just because you won all the all the all the games
27:12
all year doesn't mean you're going to get in the final four.
27:15
You're going to get in the World Series.
27:17
It it doesn't work like it sticking ball.
27:19
And ours is the same way, you know, Now I will say this,
27:24
Charlie, here's the thing that struck me probably much as
27:26
anything did of everything I've read.
27:30
Brad Keselowski. All right, now, here's the deal.
27:34
And I, I, if you, it's like if you go into the red truck every
27:38
week, raise the hell about something that gets to where the
27:41
red truck won't listen to you as a driver.
27:43
You know, if you go in there once every two years or once
27:46
every every 18 months, you got something on your mind, they're
27:49
going to listen to you, right? It's the same way I feel like
27:53
with Brad Keselowski in our sport, you know, Brad, he'll
27:56
talk some stuff every now and then, but you don't really hear
27:58
a whole lot. Denny, every week's on there,
28:00
right? So Denny and I love Denny and I
28:03
love what he does, you know, But it gets a little repetitive and
28:05
just on and on and on. But when Brad came out last
28:08
night and stated this is the camel or this is a straw baby
28:12
that broke the camel's neck, Yep, the last straw in the
28:16
camel's back for the playoffs, that's what he said.
28:18
So basically, I'll read it real quick.
28:21
Auto racing analytics say this is a disaster.
28:24
The key partner system is really the culprit of all of it.
28:28
How do we get it back to everyone racing for themselves?
28:31
Brad Keselowski quote tweets that and says, Rick, like you
28:34
said, this should be the last straw on the Camel's back for
28:39
the playoffs. Yeah, yeah.
28:40
That carries to me to Rick Mast and it should to DASCAR and the
28:45
fans, that should carry a lot of weight because you know, Brad's
28:49
one of those guys, man, when he speaks, right?
28:51
He didn't speak a lot about this stuff, but when he does, you've
28:54
got to pay attention to it. You know, Brad's very, he, he's
28:58
very intellectual dude, right? He's very analytical with all
29:00
his decisions and stuff he makes and what he does his life.
29:04
And when he comes up the statement like that, that's what
29:06
it struck me do that's what it struck me.
29:08
So what do we do? I, I, you know, I don't know,
29:10
you know, do we go with 10 races left?
29:12
All right, the top ten guys are the points we're going to run.
29:15
We're going to run A10 race season for the 10 guys, right?
29:19
That that's that that would to me get rid of some of the flaws
29:24
we've got now. Would that make it as exciting?
29:27
You know, you're not going to have the cut off deals or maybe
29:30
you could do not knock them out or something.
29:32
But that that's a, you know, I don't know what the answer is to
29:35
that. I do know this.
29:37
I do know that it's been great for a sport, I think to make it
29:40
excited. I also know that it's flawed.
29:42
It has its flaws and we're we're not talking about going back to
29:47
the old format. I don't need that.
29:48
We can't go back to the old format.
29:50
It's just like this the Gen. 6 car people fussing about that.
29:53
We're not going we're not getting rid of this car.
29:56
OK, everybody needs quit fussing about this car.
29:58
We're not going to get rid of this car.
30:00
We're going to keep this car we're going to keep improving it
30:02
right and it's the same way for championship deal.
30:04
We're going to have this we're going to have this type of
30:07
championship some form or another.
30:08
I don't know what the hell it ended up being right, but with
30:10
Brad making that statement and the controversy and the the
30:14
position that it puts NASCAR in all the time, NASCAR don't want
30:18
to be in this stuff, right? It they just want to be it and
30:21
they don't want to be in this stuff, but they are.
30:23
So, you know, I don't want to be.
30:25
It's going to be interesting this this week to see if
30:27
anything comes down or if not and then what goes on during the
30:31
winter talking about all this stuff.
30:32
I don't know. Yeah, and I'm not even
30:35
complaining as I'm discussing this.
30:38
I think it's super interesting. I think now people might
30:41
disagree with me. I think it's great for the sport
30:44
in the sense that I, I think NASCAR is a sport where any
30:48
publicity is good publicity because it's not the NFL, right?
30:51
It's not where you can just roll out the footballs and
30:54
everybody's going to watch. I, I do think whether it's
30:56
positive or negative, I know people disagree with me because
30:59
I got a bunch of comments when I said this last night, but I, I
31:02
think people talking about the sport is always good for NASCAR
31:06
and this is not a a perfect playoff system, although I think
31:09
it drums up a ton of interest. I just think you can make little
31:12
tweaks right each year. You can see what happens.
31:15
You can try to make it more fair.
31:17
And I, I put this comment up from Sammy Carroll because I
31:20
thought about this when, when Brad Keselowski made his
31:23
comment. Now, I don't think you should
31:26
always govern your sport based on, on gambling at all.
31:30
But like, let's, let's acknowledge how big gambling is
31:33
in sports. Sammy Carroll says, what if you
31:36
had money on Brad Kay for a top five?
31:38
You got screwed. There's all these ways that you
31:41
can gamble on NASCAR. You can bet.
31:43
Hey, Brad Kozlowski, I'm going to bet he gets the top 10.
31:46
I'm going to bet he gets the top five.
31:47
Well, if you put 50 bucks or 100 bucks on Brad Kay getting the
31:51
top five, you're feeling like you got screwed.
31:54
Because there was a very good chance Brad Kozlowski could have
31:56
passed Chastain, Dylan and William Byron and got a top
32:01
five. And by the way, Tony Stewart
32:03
talked about this on the Kenny conversation over a year ago.
32:07
He said NASCAR, and you know this, he said NASCAR used to
32:10
govern the garage. If you said something NASCAR
32:12
didn't like, the next week, they're going to give you a pit
32:14
Rd. speeding penalty, right? He said NASCAR can't do that
32:18
anymore because of the gambling and it's just part of the
32:21
equation. But I do think we should think
32:23
about the gambling because people are putting money on
32:26
these things and you don't want people to feel cheated.
32:28
And again, if you put money on Brad Kay top five, you're
32:32
walking away last night feeling cheated.
32:34
It's a new world. It's a new world win, Charlie.
32:37
NASCAR's in a new world right now.
32:38
It's a it's a world that's different.
32:39
You know, the, the whole world's in a new world.
32:42
But the social media and all this, the electronics and
32:45
communications and everything we can do, everything's instant in
32:48
their world. Everything's instant with
32:49
NASCAR. Everything's going on right now.
32:51
If that's car, the betting thing, all the tangents, right?
32:55
I hadn't even thought about. I remembered that when you said
32:58
that, but I had completely forgot about Tony making that
33:02
comment, right. And he's exactly right.
33:05
And Sammy Carroll's exactly right, right.
33:07
I'm, I'm mad today because I'm out 100 bucks or 500 bucks
33:11
because of that. I don't, I don't know the you
33:14
know, I don't know, I don't know.
33:16
We're just in a different world right now.
33:19
And here's here's the, this was a a super thing, so thank you.
33:23
Matthew Brown. People can actually tip us.
33:25
They love our content so much they give us tips.
33:27
Rick Mass, how about that? Here's here's Steven Nevin on
33:31
the other side. This is, and it is funny, I got
33:34
200 bucks on Byron winning the championship so I'm happy lol.
33:37
That's the thing with gambling. Half the people are pissed, but
33:41
the other half are always happy with the outcome because
33:44
somebody's always betting either side of it.
33:46
And other point, to your point a while ago, Bill Frantz junior,
33:49
Bill Frantz senior really beloved this.
33:52
That was Bill Frantz senior's deal, man, I don't care about
33:55
publicity as long as I get it. I don't care if it's good or
33:58
bad, but give me publicity, right?
34:00
And that was a different era. I mean, that's when nobody knew
34:03
about our sport, but it was kind of the same concept.
34:05
And Bill Frantz junior, the same way he did what he did tonight.
34:08
1979 or 8 CBS flag to flag first time coverage of Daytona 500.
34:13
That was his big deal get it out there get it out there and and
34:16
and and it worked and you know but in in today's age you know
34:23
we go into the negativity of every little thing that goes
34:26
wrong but I I what I've noticed in Charlie I've noticed is some
34:30
of these guys some of the negativity and I.
34:32
I've been keeping up with a little bit.
34:34
I've noticed now for a while, I'll say the same names pop up,
34:39
just negative for the last four or five years talking about our
34:43
sport. Every time something happens,
34:45
they're they're the 1st to jump on there and talk about NASCAR's
34:48
going to hell, it's going away, they're not being no more, I
34:51
don't watch it anymore and on and on and on.
34:53
There is a certain percentage of people that continue to do that
34:58
right? And they're still out here every
35:00
day talking about the sport and still watching it because they
35:04
say they're going to quit watching it and they're done
35:06
with it. But, you know, you look up six
35:08
months later and they're the same person is commenting again
35:11
with the same gripe. But hell, they're still
35:13
watching. They're still watching it.
35:15
So I, you know, I don't know what kind of percentage we're
35:18
talking about with that. I don't know.
35:21
Yeah, we've, we've talked to us for 35 minutes and I think we
35:24
could go on. Honestly, it's really
35:26
interesting and I think that people are interested.
35:27
We got almost 500 people watching right now live.
35:30
So thank you y'all. We already have almost 2400
35:34
people that have been watching for the last 35 minutes or so.
35:37
But how about it? It's kind of like other than
35:40
that, Miss Lincoln, how was the play?
35:42
But but what do you think about, I mean the race?
35:45
Ryan Blaney, these Penske cars are, are big race drivers.
35:51
You got 2 Penske cars in. Ryan Blaney just picked apart
35:56
the field. He, he passes Chase Elliott at
35:59
the end. And, and here's a guy I think
36:01
in, in the last two years, it's an obvious statement because he
36:04
won the championship last year. But Ryan Blaney, I think in a
36:06
lot of people's minds went from like a a a pretty good, pretty
36:10
decent driver to like a big dog. I mean, he's now back-to-back
36:15
final fours reigning champ has has a chance to win again.
36:19
This guy is just he's elevating his status each and every week.
36:22
He's the man, dude, you know, you asked other people asked
36:26
earlier about who's, you know, who's your prediction, who's
36:29
prediction? And I told you all alone, you
36:31
know, my deals about the Bartonsville race.
36:33
That was exciting race for me. When you get to Phoenix, it's
36:36
just one race. Whoever hits the setup that day,
36:38
and I said this before, if, if, if Pete Penske's out out there,
36:42
they're going to win the championship.
36:43
Now let me talk about my prediction.
36:46
Excuse me, You got 2 Penske cars, right?
36:49
You got Reddick, right? And you got a Chevrolet, All
36:52
right? Here's the way I look at this
36:55
thing next week. Here's here's my prediction.
36:58
And it's not based off Martinsville, maybe just a
37:00
little bit of Martinsville, but I look at I look at the last
37:03
couple years at at Phoenix, right?
37:05
For whatever reason, the 12 car and the 22, they've had a very,
37:09
very good setup for that racetrack with this Gen. 6 car,
37:14
right? And the year before was more
37:17
dominant than last year. Last year he won the
37:20
championship. But here's here's here's the
37:22
caveat, here's the kicker, C2 kickers to this number one, the
37:27
45 car ran good there the spring.
37:30
I think it was like they had a pretty good setup, but they they
37:33
did pretty well. So maybe could pick up on that,
37:37
I don't know, and have something work for him.
37:41
But here's the big kicker for me.
37:42
The one car outran the 12 last year at Phoenix in the
37:47
championship race, the one car was faster than the 12.
37:51
The one car won the race. He had a little better, little
37:55
better set up going for him now. Just sets up the question.
37:58
Charlie, talk about manipulation.
38:02
Does the one car share with Hendrick, the 24 car, what they
38:08
did last year at at Phoenix to outrun the 12th?
38:14
If they do and it's all that still holds if we're still on
38:18
the same tire because see tires change setups too.
38:21
If you go with a different tire, that racetrack, you know that
38:24
that changes a lot with this Gen. 6 car.
38:26
If you're keeping the same tire from track to track or whatever,
38:29
then things don't change like they used to with the setups.
38:32
It'll it'll be, you know, more the same.
38:34
So to me, the 45 by just running good there the spring, OK, he's
38:38
got a shot, but I just I don't I don't see that happening right
38:41
now. It's going to be one of the
38:44
Blaney car. I mean, it's going to be one of
38:45
the pesky cars to me. And and and probably it could be
38:48
Lagano or or or or or blade flip a coin.
38:51
Who knows with either one of those two, But they'll go back
38:53
with they'll go back with the setup they had last year and
38:57
maybe tweaked a little bit. Remember this the one car
38:59
outrunning 12. So he was beating him somewhere
39:02
there, There's there there are no that have been written down
39:05
by the crew chief saying this is where the one car beat us.
39:09
Here's what we're going to try to try to make up that deficit
39:12
or that area. All right, So maybe they'd be a
39:14
little bit better or the same. But again, the, the, the, the
39:19
interesting part to me is does the one car share with the 24
39:25
what to do to their car to outrun those Penske cars?
39:29
And I guarantee you OEM, the manufacturers are already
39:34
talking about that. Chevrolet is already on top of
39:38
that stuff, dude. They're all over that stuff.
39:40
So I know they will. So now if they do do that, then
39:44
where we at? Who's going to win?
39:46
Hell, I don't know, but I'm going to go with one of the Team
39:49
Penske cars. We got a 50% chance.
39:52
See, it's, it's funny too, because when you bring that up,
39:56
you bring up the fact that Chastain's team could, would
40:00
probably should share the set up with the fellow Chevy with
40:03
Hendrick, with Byron. And then I, I, I think, you
40:07
know, we're talking obviously about race manipulation for
40:10
whatever reason. I just don't look at that as
40:12
being as bad or as egregious as what happened last night.
40:15
I would I would almost assume that always happens.
40:19
With the manufacturers that that's going to happen to me,
40:22
that's kind of like, you know, we we had this discussion a
40:25
while back when there was the scandal of somebody sharing
40:30
setup info for money. And you said, well, back in the
40:33
day, you just get the guy drunk at the bar, right And get him
40:36
talking to me. That's a little more old school
40:38
NASCAR. That's kind of like the way
40:40
NASCAR has always been. But what happened on the track
40:43
last night, because it was so obvious and because we had the
40:46
radio communications, right? Like I think most people with
40:50
NASCAR, they kind of like the fact that NASCAR was built on
40:55
illegal cars running moonshine, right?
40:57
There's always a little bit of that, like just kind of working
41:00
the rules here and there, get your edge, get your advantage.
41:04
But when it's so egregious, like like yesterday, last night,
41:08
that's different. To me that feels worse than what
41:10
you described of the one car sharing info with the 24.
41:14
Yeah, it is. There's no doubt about that.
41:17
And the other thought the the big part of that, Charlie, is
41:20
it's out there for everybody to see.
41:23
And here. And here and what I'm talking
41:24
what I just talked about with OEMs change it or sharing or the
41:28
manufacturer sharing information that's not out there for us to
41:31
know about or to hear or to see. But what we can see, boy,
41:35
everybody jumps on and raises hell about it.
41:36
So. And gosh, I love it.
41:41
It's it's so funny to me too. It's all about your degree,
41:45
right? It's like in the court of law.
41:47
I mean, you have murder, you have first degree, second
41:50
degree, third degree, you have manslaughter, right?
41:53
Like like see belt and I that's a bad analogy.
41:56
I shouldn't compare these things to to those things.
41:58
But see, Bel, he just he hung on the wall a little too long.
42:03
And the same deal with the blocking.
42:05
If they blocked for two laps, Rick, you know, two laps doesn't
42:10
look as bad. It felt like freaking 15 laps,
42:12
right. And then it's like, come on,
42:14
come on now. So there's a matter of degree
42:17
with all of this. And last night it was just very
42:20
obvious. But I think, I think, you know,
42:24
that's what that's what triggered Brad Keselowski.
42:28
That's what made him make that statement.
42:30
He got out of that race car, man madder in a wet in.
42:33
He was bad because he was jammed up behind these two dudes,
42:37
right? He couldn't go anywhere and
42:39
there's a guy beside him. He couldn't do anything other
42:42
other than wrecking the guy in front of him.
42:44
It would have been the three car.
42:45
I guess he's the one that he had to wreck and he was jammed up
42:48
there for 15 laps, not being able to move, not being able to
42:51
do a damn thing, can't pass anybody right, Because these two
42:56
guys were sitting there riding side to side holding the line
43:00
up. So the drop of checkered flag
43:02
that he's madder and hell, right and he gets out of the car and
43:06
he and what what about the playoff system is what comes
43:10
out? You know, and I think that's
43:13
what triggered it within. But I was I was glad and happy
43:16
that he did it because I'm like, to me, that's a big statement
43:19
that that really means something.
43:21
So and Tyler Birbeck. Writes Bell.
43:26
And Joe Gibbs can't challenge it because NASCAR deemed Bell as a
43:29
safety violation. Elton Sawyer did say that last
43:32
night. It's not an appealable offense.
43:36
He he basically said it's similar to if a, if a guy goes
43:40
over the wall too quickly or a loose tire, it's not something
43:43
the teams can appeal, right? Yeah.
43:45
Any safety violations? Donna I've in fact in my dumb
43:48
self. I already knew that right.
43:50
I knew that safety violations, safety violations are not
43:53
available. They're not available.
43:54
Keep you know, go back on it. So and then did you see the
43:58
dejection of coach man? They showed the coach walking
44:01
down pit Rd. from from the red truck go back to his holler.
44:05
Golly you talk about the ejection.
44:07
I I'm watching him and the porters trying to talk to him
44:09
and he just walked along doing his thing.
44:11
I'm like damn coach is dejected, right?
44:14
You just you you hate that for the I mean, I really felt bad
44:18
for him at the moment. But golly, you know the problem
44:22
with racing, man, it can't be. But so many winners in in in
44:25
that. That's that's that's that's
44:27
that's the problem. You know, and it was this close
44:30
to that being Rick Hendrick walking down through there with
44:32
that right, or you can look up if you'd have found Chase
44:36
Elliot, you'd have found him walking down through there with
44:39
that. You know, there's so many of
44:40
those stories like that, right, that there's there's so much
44:44
dejection at these race tracks when these races are over a lot
44:47
of times and the end yet and the fans don't see it because
44:50
everybody gets out the car or whatever they get.
44:53
They go at home, right, and their their guts just riched.
44:56
You know, we just missed the playoffs.
44:58
We just missed the championship run.
45:00
We just missed a chance of winning this race.
45:02
And you don't see those motions very often played out because
45:06
they're just you know that the TV's interviewing the guys at
45:08
one and everything's that's happy.
45:10
But the fans got believe me, fans, y'all got a little
45:14
glimpse. When you watch Coach Gibbs
45:16
walking down the pit Rd. you've got a you got a small glimpse of
45:21
so many of the competitors after every one of these races.
45:25
That's their attitude and yeah, but it but you don't see it,
45:28
right? You you don't know that goes on.
45:31
I know it because I did it many years and I watched other people
45:34
do it and it's not a good thing, but that that's that's part of
45:37
the competitiveness competitiveness of our sport in
45:40
the drive. And man, if you if you something
45:43
like that happens and you're just happy everything's fine.
45:46
Yeah, you don't need to believe this sport, but but anyhow,
45:49
yeah. And I know this gets.
45:51
Back to race manipulation, you, you can't manipulate this.
45:55
But I do think the sport is usually better if that final
45:58
four, if each year, if each year you have a Hendrick car, a Gibbs
46:03
car, a Penske car and maybe one other one.
46:05
Now, again, the storylines with 2311 racing because they're
46:09
suing NASCAR and you can just imagine a situation where NASCAR
46:13
has to present if it's Steve Phelps has to present the trophy
46:17
to Tyler Reddick in 2311 as they're suing.
46:20
And again, I'm going for storylines.
46:23
It it does seem again, unfair is not the right word because all's
46:27
fair and love and war and these are all sports.
46:30
It's a these little battles. It's almost like war.
46:32
I'm not trying to compare it to people losing their lives in
46:34
war. But yeah, Kyle Larson's not in a
46:38
Joe Gibbs car is not in. I will say this, though, you
46:41
mentioned Joe Gibbs being dejected.
46:44
It was pretty obvious. You have you have kids, Rick.
46:47
I have a couple young kids. You know when you catch your
46:50
kid, the old saying you catch your kid with their hand in the
46:53
candy jar, whatever it is like when you know your kid did
46:56
something wrong and you, you call him on it and you look at
46:59
their face and they're guilty as hell.
47:02
That's how Christopher Bell looked.
47:03
He did when he was being interviewed.
47:06
He was not cheering. He was, he was basically
47:09
praying. He was praying.
47:11
Please. Uphold this because I know, I
47:14
know I kind of broke the rule, but let it slide.
47:17
Yeah, I, I. Man, I think I would.
47:19
I would, I would have handled that differently if I'd have
47:20
been him, right. He was sitting there just like a
47:23
whip up, you know, caught child. You're exactly right.
47:25
That's a very Charlie. I'm proud of you.
47:27
There's a very good analogy that was very good of you.
47:30
Very astute in your part man pick up on that.
47:33
But you're exactly right. I believe I'd have been jumping
47:36
up down and fussing raised I've been I think I would have even
47:39
if I'd have known I didn't screwed up I'd have been
47:41
pleading my case. Listen yeah, there's a rule of
47:44
getting to the wall, but I'm going to hit the ball and I got
47:46
off of it. I do and they can't do this and
47:48
I think that you know, Bob they can't they can't do this.
47:51
No, I'm I'm I'm in the championship.
47:52
No, they can't take it away from it.
47:54
Just just really played it up. He didn't do it that way.
47:56
He just looked like a the kid that got caught with his hand in
48:00
the candy jar, like you say. So I don't know.
48:04
All right, I think, I think you. Said one of the Penske cars is
48:08
going to win. Let's just so we have it, so we
48:10
have it here for everyone to say hey, we were right or we were
48:14
wrong. I'll give my prediction first,
48:16
OK? I think I.
48:18
See, I think I agree. With you and I'm going to go, I
48:23
actually want, first of all, I'll tell people I want Tyler
48:27
Reddick to win because I think it would be say you're a
48:29
headster, you're AI. Am no I am I?
48:32
Am No, I admit it. I I 100% admit I think that's
48:36
the best story. If Tyler Reddick wins, oh,
48:39
without a doubt. But if?
48:41
I had to put money on. It I'm going to bet Blaney, what
48:44
about you? Yeah, that's the one I put on.
48:46
And. That's it.
48:47
You know that that you just and not because right now, just
48:50
because of the past couple years there and a little bit right
48:54
now, because some of the stuff that works at Martinsville, it's
48:57
a short track car has to turn. You got to be able to put the
48:59
throttle down hard. You know, same thing at Phoenix.
49:03
I mean, yeah, same thing out there.
49:04
The car has to do some of the same characteristics.
49:07
So, you know, maybe that stuff passes over because dude, I mean
49:11
the last part of that race, whose class of the field.
49:13
I thought the nine car was the best car, right, But no, he
49:16
wasn't the best car. Once the track got greased up
49:19
and rub it up a little bit, 12 car was car to beat and you
49:22
know, so you carry that over a little bit.
49:24
Momentum. The old minimum is momentum.
49:26
That's bullcrap. It's about what's in your car.
49:28
What what your chassis is, what you doing with your your setup,
49:31
aerodynamics, geometry, how you making your car work.
49:34
Turn in the middle, put the fuel to put the gas down hard, get
49:37
off the corner. That's what it's all about and
49:39
the they, we've had the best set up there for a couple years at
49:42
Phoenix. They're still on it at
49:44
Martinsville. I think it carries over to
49:46
Phoenix and Charlie. If the can we go down fantasy
49:50
lane for just maybe 30 seconds, the 45 car with the 45 car wins
49:55
the championship. We go to the Wards banquet,
50:00
right? How much fodder, how much
50:03
thought, how much how could describes our, our our reporters
50:08
in our sport? Could they be in a bigger
50:10
heaven, right? I mean the the people that cover
50:15
our sport and they just couldn't be in a bigger heaven if the 45
50:20
wins the championship and we go to the wards bank with the suit
50:24
going on against NASCAR. I don't know.
50:26
And then setting up there as NASCAR have to give the award to
50:29
those guys and and and they're fine.
50:31
They want those guys that are sport.
50:32
I shouldn't say that. You know, they would be happy
50:34
for them from that standpoint, because you got to separate, you
50:37
know, in in any business, you separate things, right, Separate
50:41
personal from business and all that.
50:42
But golly, bum Lord, I might. I might.
50:47
I think I would. I would become a reporter for
50:49
one week if that went on. And I don't even know how to out
50:52
of write, but I could talk. But you're a reporter.
50:55
I mean, well, I. Guess I am but.
50:58
Golly bum that would be so that would be so much fun, but I
51:02
don't think I really don't think that's going to happen.
51:05
Stranger things have happened, but they just the Toyota's is a
51:08
group. I doubt, you know, like
51:09
yesterday as a group the Toyota's had just, you know, it
51:12
wasn't there. They did, they, whatever setup
51:14
they were used or whatever was going on, it wasn't there.
51:17
Like again, some of the stuff they use it that at, at at at
51:20
Martinsville carries over to, to Phoenix.
51:22
So, you know, a lot of reasons. I don't have the 45 top of the
51:25
list. I have the 22.
51:27
I got the 12/22 and the 24 in that order.
51:30
That's the way I've got it figured right now.
51:32
All right. Well, in terms of.
51:34
Story time, we're going to have ton, we're going to have three
51:36
months to tell stories in the offseason in terms of what's
51:40
pissing off Rick Mass, if there's something.
51:43
And also, I mean, this election tomorrow, I'm sure we're going
51:45
to have a lot to talk about next week, not just the NASCAR
51:49
championship. So maybe, I mean, you tell me,
51:51
but maybe we can also end on a positive note because Dodgers
51:56
win World Series. Your guy Freddie Freeman just
52:00
goes off and wins. The MVPI wanted more games.
52:03
I wanted that game to go back to LA for a Game 6.
52:07
But man, the Yankees just kicked the hell out of the ball in that
52:09
inning in the loud five runs. Yeah, Freddie.
52:13
Man, you know Freddie's, Freddie's our man, right?
52:16
Freddie was our man. In Atlanta.
52:18
They bought Freddie. Freddie, you know, we couldn't
52:21
afford him. Although we made, I'm going to
52:24
bring this up, Charlie, we made we the Atlanta Braves made an
52:27
offer, right? Freddie's agent did not tell him
52:31
about that latest offer at the, at the at the 12th hour or
52:35
whatever you call it. And he signed with the Dodgers.
52:40
After that. It came out that Freddie didn't
52:43
know about that offer. So he in turn fires his manager.
52:47
So you know, when you look at it like that, we could have kept
52:49
Freddie. But I'm happy.
52:51
I'm happy that he went there and he did what he did.
52:54
He's doing what he's doing. I'm happy for that guy.
52:57
I wish you'd have been with the Braves.
52:59
But you take somebody like Freddie, dude just such a good
53:01
dude, man. He's just, I mean, he's one of
53:03
those athletes. Like, dude, you cannot not pull
53:07
for. You can't not pull for this guy,
53:08
right? His values, his family deal the
53:11
way, way. And you know what, Charlie?
53:13
It's like racing. It's like competitors walking
53:15
through the garage area, you know this like what what your
53:19
competitors, the way they feel about you, That's a pretty good
53:23
sign of what kind of person you are.
53:25
And you'll not find anybody in MLB of my understanding that has
53:29
one bad word to say about Freddie Freeman, right?
53:35
Unlike Carson Hosovar, you know, in the cup garage right now.
53:39
And they they brought that up on TV yesterday, said that guy's
53:42
got some work to do by the way. But anyhow, we're all happy for
53:45
Freddie, real happy for Freddie. It is funny how.
53:48
Hosovar kind of flew under the radar for about half the season,
53:52
and then the last several weeks we're talking about him a lot
53:54
more, and not for good reasons. Yeah, yeah.
53:57
And that, that's the deal. What they were talking about on
53:59
TV, sure, I've seen this so many times with drivers, you'll have
54:02
talented drivers, very good talented drivers and they come
54:05
up and they're making their way through and they're causing
54:08
problems. Ross taught Ross Chastain been a
54:11
prime example. They're causing problems,
54:13
They're wrecking. All right.
54:14
At some point, at some point he has to rein it back if he's
54:18
going to make it in the in the top league, if he's going to
54:20
make it in Cup racing. You know, you, I'm talking about
54:23
the steps, getting up there and getting into Cup.
54:25
If you're going to make it, you can't be wrecking people all the
54:29
time. You just can't do it.
54:30
So what you have to do as a driver is you have to reign back
54:34
from wrecking people. And I had to talk with Tom
54:37
Morris, Ty Norris about this, about his driver at the time,
54:40
Ross Chastity. And I've seen this.
54:43
It's it's probably, I don't know the percentage, but I'm going to
54:46
say 8 out of 10 times, Charlie, when that driver reigns back to
54:51
stop wrecking, he loses his edge.
54:54
That that edge is so fine. It's finer than the hair on a
54:58
frog's ass man. That's a very fine edge.
55:01
When you pull that, when you take that away from that driver,
55:05
he loses that edge. He's not competitive anymore or
55:07
he doesn't have the same deal. Now about two out of 10 will
55:12
keep it. Ross Charles, Ross Chastain is
55:15
one of those guys. He brought it back and he's
55:19
still very, very competitive. I'm going to tell you, somebody
55:21
else is like that and you don't realize it.
55:23
Somebody else is it fit that bill And that's Jimmy Johnson.
55:28
Jimmy Johnson was like. It when he first.
55:29
Started and his biggest deal was Daytona.
55:31
Talladega. He could not run one of those
55:34
races without causing a frigging wreck, right?
55:38
I mean, it was a couple of three years.
55:40
Jimmy was doing good on other race tracks, bringing it back
55:43
and not really getting in trouble.
55:45
But you go to Talladega Daytona, you know, and he was just his
55:49
deal of what what he wanted to do and make it happen.
55:52
It wasn't working. He was wrecking every, every
55:55
time he turned around and there was talks about it that he'd
55:57
been talked to and they talked about it.
56:00
Jimmy pulled it back at Talladega.
56:01
Daytona did not lose his edge. He didn't lose that frog's hair.
56:06
His ass size lit edge, right? And, and, and, you know, so
56:12
anyhow, that's where that's where Larson is right now.
56:15
That's where we're going to figure out next year, right?
56:18
Because you can't keep, you can't keep doing what he's
56:20
doing. You can't, you just can't keep
56:21
running over people like Harvick.
56:23
You know, when Ross Chastain was getting all this advice from
56:26
everybody, he said one of the best he got was from Harvick.
56:29
Harvick just walked up to him and says quit wrecking shit and
56:32
walked away. You know, Chastain is like, OK,
56:37
it's that simple. Just quit wrecking shit, right?
56:41
Excuse me? So anyhow.
56:43
Anyhow, I love it I think. You know, I saw the other day
56:46
what your daughter Katie said. You have the other rictionary
56:49
and I think I'm going to tease. I'm going to tease this.
56:52
Show I wrote it down. 2 great old school country sayings, 1
56:56
was madder than a wet hen, and then you said something about
57:00
something about a hair on a frog's ass.
57:01
So I'm going to, I'm going to put that together to tease this
57:04
podcast. How about that that?
57:07
'D be great. All right, Rick, great.
57:10
Great fun as always. Can't wait to do it next week as
57:13
we're breaking down, we won't really break down the election.
57:16
Maybe we'll give our thoughts a little bit, but mostly the
57:19
championship and everything else going on and then we'll pivot to
57:23
the offseason. But thank you everybody for
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watching. Please hit that, like hit that
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We already have 3600 people watching this.
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So good show. People are into it and we'll see
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