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The DiCecco Daily Postgame Show: Insights, Takeaways From Eagles Loss To Cowboys On MNF · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on, everybody? Welcome in to another episode
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: of DiCecco Daily. It's Andrew DiCecco, Eagles beat reporter for InsideTheBirds.com.
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: And the Eagles fall to the Dallas Cowboys 38-21 on.
• 0:22
  Speaker 2: Monday Night Football.
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: They sit in a really difficult spot right now because
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: it's hard to configure what you do in an NFC
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: that's not great. But the Philadelphia Eagles have not done
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: a lot this season to instill confidence that they can
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: get this ship righted. And when you look at this game,
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys had 416 yards of total offense, 204 rushing,
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: 212 passing. And the Eagles had 121 rushing, 200 passing,
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: 321 passing. total yards, and then the turnover, which happened
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: late in the game, where Tanner McKee threw an interception
• 1:06
  Speaker 1: to linebacker DeMarvian Overshone, who made a tremendously athletic play
• 1:10
  Speaker 1: to take it away, and the air just got sucked
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: out of Lincoln Financial Field, and for me, that felt like,
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: not to be dramatic, that the season was drawing to
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: a close. They have a game against the Commanders coming up, and...
• 1:28
  Speaker 1: It's really tough to see some silver lining here. Now,
• 1:32
  Speaker 1: if you're looking at it from an optimistic standpoint, the offense,
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: I thought, did a nice job. There was more condensed sets.
• 1:41
  Speaker 1: There were tight formations. There was quicker dropbacks with Tanner McKee,
• 1:47
  Speaker 1: and you noticed that early in the game where they
• 1:50
  Speaker 1: opened in 13 personnel. The third tight end in this
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: case was Grant Calcaterra, who, by the way, was activated
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: from injured reserve. So you have Grant Calcaterra, Dallas Goddard,
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: Johnny Munt, and Tanner McKee gets the ball out quickly
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: to Saquon Barkley for a 12-yard pickup. Then Saquon gets
• 2:11
  Speaker 1: a 29-yard run running off the left side with Jordan
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  Speaker 1: Mailata and Landon Dickerson paving the way. And you get
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: the sense that, okay, this might be their night offensively.
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: But the defense, and I did not see this coming,
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  Speaker 1: were not able to hold up their end of the bargain.
• 2:27
  Speaker 1: So the Eagles have yet to play complementary football at
• 2:31
  Speaker 1: this stage of the season. They're now 2-5, and through
• 2:36
  Speaker 1: seven games, you have yet to see them play complementary football,
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: and that's a problem. So finally, the offense gets on track.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: I thought Sean Mannion called a good game. There was
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of variation. I like the formations. I like
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  Speaker 1: the overall game plan. that he had for McKee, where
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: it was getting the ball out quickly. I thought that
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: they did a much better job running the football with
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  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley and Damian Pierce. They also had Elijah Mitchell
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  Speaker 1: as the third running back who they elevated from the
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: practice squad.
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  Speaker 2: We'll get to him in a moment.
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  Speaker 1: But I thought the Eagles did a nice job with
• 3:09
  Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley and Damian Pierce being the one-two punch early.
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  Speaker 1: And then Saquon Barkley clearly wasn't 100%. He was gutting
• 3:17
  Speaker 1: it out. He was later ruled questionable with a back injury.
• 3:21
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of points in the game where
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: he was coming in for a snap and then coming off,
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  Speaker 1: and Damian Pierce was handling the rest of the workload,
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  Speaker 1: and at some point, it was really hard to decipher
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  Speaker 1: a rhythm or any sort of rhyme or reason to
• 3:39
  Speaker 1: how they were deploying Saquon Barkley, and at some point,
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: you have to protect the player from themselves, and It
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: was evident early that Saquon just wasn't right. And I
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: thought he was really productive when he was out there.
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  Speaker 1: But then Damian Pierce gets hurt later in the game.
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  Speaker 1: And Damian Pierce and Saquon, by the way, both scored
• 3:56
  Speaker 1: touchdowns in this game. And Damian Pierce got hurt. He
• 4:01
  Speaker 1: never returned. So by the end of the game, it
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: was only Elijah Mitchell, who's played a lot in this league,
• 4:06
  Speaker 1: but not necessarily meaningful snaps in quite some time. So
• 4:13
  Speaker 1: he had a couple of receptions for 23 yards. He
• 4:16
  Speaker 1: just had to fill in his kick returner. Britton Covey
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  Speaker 1: left this game with a knee injury. So Makai Lemon
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: had to step in at punt returner. Elijah Mitchell had
• 4:26
  Speaker 1: to step in at kick returner. But I thought, like,
• 4:30
  Speaker 1: for example, Makai Lemon really came alive in this game.
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  Speaker 1: He scored his first NFL touchdown. on a really well-designed play,
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  Speaker 1: 10 McKee throws a dart. He takes a hit at
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  Speaker 1: the goal line, four yard touchdown. He was, he's playing
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  Speaker 1: with a lot more confidence and the way that the
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: Eagles are using him right now, I think is way
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  Speaker 1: more conducive. They also ran a successful screenplay in this
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  Speaker 1: game and it was not behind the line of scrimmage,
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  Speaker 1: but they got the ball into the hands of Darius
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  Speaker 1: Cooper and he was able to take advantage of some
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  Speaker 1: yards after the catch. He had nothing but open, you know,
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  Speaker 1: open field in front of him. And Darius, Dallas Goddard
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  Speaker 1: caught some passes over the middle. Hollywood Brown had a
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  Speaker 1: couple of receptions in this game. So they did a
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  Speaker 1: really nice job of working in the different players that
• 5:12
  Speaker 1: they were working with. And they played well enough for
• 5:15
  Speaker 1: the Eagles to win if the defense was playing as
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  Speaker 1: they normally do.
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  Speaker 2: But they were.
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  Speaker 1: Very leaky in run defense. I just gave you the
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: rushing numbers. When you're paying these defensive tackles in Jalen
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: Carter and Jordan Davis, you're paying them top-of-the-market money, especially
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: with Jalen Carter. You need them to be able to
• 5:34
  Speaker 1: plug the holes there in the run game and shore
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  Speaker 1: things up. They're not doing a great job setting the edge,
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  Speaker 1: and they missed Nolan Smith in this game. Nolan Smith,
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: as I've outlined many times, is their best edge setter.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought that they were really susceptible on the corners.
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  Speaker 1: Javante Williams was running like a man possessed and was
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  Speaker 1: really finishing his runs and making the Eagles defenders wrap
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  Speaker 1: them up. Uh, Rick Wollin did not have a particularly
• 6:00
  Speaker 1: strong game and he declined interviews politely after the game. Um,
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: he said he respects what we do. He's, you know,
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  Speaker 1: get home safely type of thing, but he wasn't, you know,
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  Speaker 1: really in a mood to talk. Jalen Carter, uh, as
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  Speaker 1: I understand it, didn't really fill up the talking. And
• 6:19
  Speaker 1: that's kind of the mood when your defense and you've
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  Speaker 1: done so much of the heavy lifting for much of
• 6:25
  Speaker 1: the season to this point.
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  Speaker 2: And when you.
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  Speaker 1: Finally have a game in which you need the offense
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  Speaker 1: to help you, and I think the offense, to be clear,
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  Speaker 1: did a nice job, you know, all things considered, the
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: defense wasn't able to meet the moment. And you can
• 6:41
  Speaker 1: look across the board. I thought that There were some
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  Speaker 1: really good throws from Dak Prescott. The touchdown to George
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  Speaker 1: Pickens before the half where Drew McCuba had good coverage
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  Speaker 1: in the right corner of the end zone and George
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  Speaker 1: Pickens did a nice job of the body control, keeping
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  Speaker 1: his feet in. There wasn't much more that Drew could
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  Speaker 1: do in that situation. And Reek gets beat by CeeDee
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  Speaker 1: Lamb after that for a touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: And before all that, the first touchdown, I believe it.
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  Speaker 1: Was Cooper DeGene who really just didn't see the football.
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  Speaker 1: And he was pretty close, you know, tightly covering them,
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  Speaker 1: but he didn't find the football. And Dak Prescott put
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  Speaker 1: it where only CeeDee Lamb could get it.
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  Speaker 2: So sometimes you have to tip your cap to the
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  Speaker 2: other team.
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  Speaker 1: I think they did a really good job of countering
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  Speaker 1: what the Eagles like to do and being aggressive when needed.
• 7:34
  Speaker 1: The running game, they can certainly hang their hat on it.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Goodson was another player who I thought did a
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: nice job working in tandem with Javante Williams. The offensive
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  Speaker 1: line for the Cowboys, whether or not it was just
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: an off night for the Eagles defensive line or whether
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  Speaker 1: or not they're starting to round into form, they played
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  Speaker 1: a lot better than what I've seen on tape this year.
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  Speaker 1: And they were really handling the line of scrimmage with
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  Speaker 1: authority and violence. The Eagles defensive line was not generating
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  Speaker 1: a lot of penetration. And let's talk about the pass
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  Speaker 1: rush or lack.
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  Speaker 2: Thereof, because.
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  Speaker 1: The Eagles were not able to to generate pressure off
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  Speaker 1: the edge, whether it was J. Lux Hunt, Jonathan Grenard.
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  Speaker 1: You know, take your pick. Arnold Abacate.
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  Speaker 2: It's just A.J. Epinesa.
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  Speaker 1: There just wasn't any pressure at all. And Dak Prescott
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  Speaker 1: was allowed to stand back there and work through his
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  Speaker 1: progressions and do whatever he wanted. And when you aren't
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  Speaker 1: able to get home, and this has been a prevailing
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  Speaker 1: theme all season, you know, you're not doing your secondary
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: any favors. And there were a lot of times in
• 8:44
  Speaker 1: this game where, yes, Rick Wolin had a couple of
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: pass breakups, but I thought that he was beaten. They
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: went after him a little bit in this game. At
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: least that's how it felt watching it initially. And then
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: you get to just watching, you know, some of the
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  Speaker 1: safety play I thought was okay. Makuba was active. He
• 9:04
  Speaker 1: was getting after it early. But, you know, there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of questions that I have about the Eagles defense
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  Speaker 1: coming off that game, particularly as it pertains to stopping
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  Speaker 1: the run.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't do a good job in doing that. They
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: weren't shedding blocks. They weren't being the enforcer. And when
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: you are a defense that has grown accustomed to doing it,
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself why.
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: Could they potentially be wearing down? Well, it's week seven.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of young guys on there. The Eagles
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: rotated quite a bit.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know that I buy that. So we're looking
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: for answers. They did not have a good showing on
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. And when the Eagles really needed them
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: to do so, they weren't able to answer the bell.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: But I do think that it's encouraging to see those
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: signs from the offense where you haven't had a lot
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: of optimism.
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  Speaker 2: And you didn't really know what their direction was going
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is just a small sample size, but
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: what you saw was an offense that came out with
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: a much more creative game plan. They seemed to tailor
• 13:24
  Speaker 1: it around the strengths of Tanner McKee and put him
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: in a position where he wasn't dropping back.
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: They weren't having these extensive dropbacks.
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  Speaker 1: He was getting the ball out quickly and facilitating it
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: to a number of receivers and not really thinking. He
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: seemed to have a little bit more confidence in this
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: game and I liked a lot of what I saw
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: from Saquon Barkley and Damian Pierce in the running game,
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: where it had been such tough sledding to this point.
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  Speaker 1: When you go out there and you're seeing them be
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: able to run downhill, or in the case of Saquon
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  Speaker 1: with the 29 yarder, find the crease to the left
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  Speaker 1: and break out there. That is what the Eagles want
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  Speaker 1: to do philosophically, and they haven't been able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: So I also would say there's another layer to this
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  Speaker 1: that we're That really, in the grand scheme of things,
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  Speaker 1: is probably going to get overlooked because of everything else
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  Speaker 1: that happened. But they also gave up a 91-yard kick
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: return touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: That was called back.
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  Speaker 1: But it speaks to the point that I've been talking
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  Speaker 1: about for a while now because the Eagles have lost
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: so many players on their kick coverage unit. Will Shipley,
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: Trotter's playing more snaps on defense. Darius Cooper's playing more
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: snaps on offense. You don't have Sidney Brown. You don't
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: have Kylan Granson. You don't have.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: E.J.
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  Speaker 1: Jenkins, who had the second most snaps this season. So
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: you're missing all of these guys, and you're patching in
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: whoever you can find. Mack McWilliams, A.K. Ebikady, Keyshawn James-Lubioff,
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: the practice squad. They have Ty Robinson on kickoff. Pretty
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: much anyone who is available, they're throwing out there, and
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: I feel for Michael Clay because he doesn't have... When
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: it comes down to special teams, you have to be
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: really special or have, you know, multi-value to be able
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: to stay on the roster. And sometimes those guys who
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: are on the fringes are most expendable. So you don't
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: necessarily have the say. And, oh, I should also mention
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: Cameron Latu was waived as well, who was a core
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: member for him. And... It really puts Michael Clay, and
• 15:32
  Speaker 1: he was never going to make an excuse. He never does.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: It puts him in a bind because what do you
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: do as a special teams coordinator?
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: You don't make excuses. You work with who you have.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: But when you have players who aren't accustomed to playing that,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: you're going to be more susceptible to giving up plays
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: and having a little bit more leaky susceptibility in the
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: return game. And while we talk about the offense and
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: the defense in this game, That 91-yard kickoff return for
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: a touchdown didn't count, but it could have. And that's
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: another layer of something that I've been kind of talking
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: about over the last few weeks. And no one seems
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: to care about special teams until it comes back and
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: gets you. And another thing I want to mention, because
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: I already saw somebody, you know, for some reason was
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: angry at me for, you know, talking about how Jay
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Lux Hunt was having a really good training camp. And
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: how he's not having a good season or not getting
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure.
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  Speaker 2: One, he's playing injured.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: The other part of it is that what he did
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: in training camp, that happened. He made plays.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: He was active. He was an impactful player every day.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: That wasn't an embellishment by any stretch. For whatever reason,
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: it hasn't carried over into the regular season. But that
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: doesn't take away from the summer that he had.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: And so....
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: It's not working for him this season. It's not working
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: for really anyone of the edge rusher group. Grenard is
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: a player that we're going to be having a lot
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: of conversations about over the next few weeks and probably
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: for the rest of the season. He played in this game,
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: and he was a game-time decision, but you'd have to
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: look and see how many snaps he played because it
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: didn't feel like he was on the field for an
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: awful lot of time. The Eagles traded a decent... They
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: didn't just You know, they didn't get him for a flyer.
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  Speaker 1: They really believed that he was going to be someone
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: that could help their pass rush.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: He hasn't done that.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And therefore, he hasn't opened things up for the other players,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: which is a big part of my analysis when I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: was talking about the edge rushers and why I was
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: so bullish on Jaleks is because when you have Jonathan
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Grenard opposite him, I look at what Jalen Phillips provided,
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: it elevates the play and unlocks the players around them,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: around him. And the pass rush for me is a
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: big thing because it hasn't.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Come to life.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: And we're now seven games into this thing. You have
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: premier defensive tackles. You have a well compensated edge rusher
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: room in the sense that I'm looking at Grenard, uh,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: J looks hunt.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: It will be eventually, but they just haven't, they haven't performed.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Um, they haven't performed and it's now putting a lot
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: of pressure on the secondary. And what you saw is
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: some leakiness there and, That's what's going to happen.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But I thought Dallas really took it to them.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: When you leave a secondary with too much time to
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: cover and you're facing a George Pickens and a CeeDee
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Lamb and Ryan Flanoy, who I think is a really
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: underrated third receiver, this is what happens. So where do
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: the Eagles go from here? Well, they have another NFC
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: East game coming up this weekend against the Washington Commanders.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: Is the season over? I mean, it's not looking great.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: And so that's kind of where I'm at with everything
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: right now, and we'll see where things go. But that's
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: going to do it for this episode of the Checo Daily.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: I'm Andrew DiCecco, and I'll catch you all on the
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: next one.