Latest / The Right Time with Bomani Jones / Foxworth Friday: Travis Hunter's potential, Jalen Hurts growth, Micah Parsons vs. Jerry Jones

Transcript

Foxworth Friday: Travis Hunter's potential, Jalen Hurts growth, Micah Parsons vs. Jerry Jones · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like,
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: a hater. It is Foxworth Friday. Dominique Foxworth, what's going on, man?
• 0:25
  Speaker 2: Not much, man. We're getting closer and closer to football
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: season when everybody's life gets a little easier.
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Yo, everybody's life gets easier, and what amazes me, there's
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: nothing quite like the people on Twitter who are like, yo,
• 0:36
  Speaker 1: football's back. And I'm like, baby, it's the preseason kind.
• 0:40
  Speaker 1: And they still out there. They still here for that
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: near beer football.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was about to say that nobody actually, like,
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: watches past the first few minutes, but I'm pretty sure
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: last time I checked, like, the preseason be out here
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: doing numbers. It's insane. Now, to be.
• 0:59
  Speaker 1: Fair, the competition is weak, right? But at the same.
• 1:04
  Speaker 3: Time, you put any football on television... and people are
• 1:11
  Speaker 3: lapping it up. It doesn't matter what kind.
• 1:14
  Speaker 4: Of football it is. People watch the Pro Bowl, right?
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: Like, in fact, the reason they had to change the
• 1:20
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl to flag football, it really wasn't because people
• 1:23
  Speaker 1: didn't watch it. It's because they was watching it, and
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: people was getting embarrassed.
• 1:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we was watering down a product, right? When you
• 1:30
  Speaker 2: walk around, like, every time you watch football, you leave happy.
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: We can't have you watching football and leaving disappointed.
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: No, every time somebody would be like, yo, man, they
• 1:37
  Speaker 1: need to just get rid of the football, and they like.
• 1:39
  Speaker 4: brother, let me, let me, let me hand you this spreadsheet.
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: We need to get rid of the pro balls. Like, sir,
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: the pro ball is doing season finale numbers, my friends.
• 1:51
  Speaker 2: You know what the network's like? They like them numbers.
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: So we're going to keep something on here. I don't know.
• 1:55
  Speaker 2: Y'all can play. Y'all can not play. I don't know.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: We play dodgeball. We're going to do something.
• 2:00
  Speaker 4: I feel like the thing.
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: So one thing I think that is often forgotten about
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: preseason football is the The NFL season is 20 weeks,
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: counting preseason and regular season. It has been that way
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: for a very long time. And when I say it's
• 2:15
  Speaker 1: been that way for a very long time, when it
• 2:17
  Speaker 1: was a 16-game season, there were four preseason games. But
• 2:21
  Speaker 1: when it was a 14-game season, there were six preseason games.
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: Six.
• 2:32
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine, man. I mean, I guess... Football requires
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: some acclimation. So, like, that's kind of why we... Well,
• 2:41
  Speaker 2: they don't even do it in college anymore where they
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: have the cupcakes at the front of the schedule. They
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: kicking that season off with something serious. And your teammates
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: your team yet? Like, we ain't real at this point.
• 2:52
  Speaker 1: Man, those August football games are so bad. And pretty soon,
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: they gonna have to start playing them motherfuckers at 7
• 3:00
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, man.
• 3:01
  Speaker 4: It's 100 degrees outside.
• 3:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that... I had that conversation when we were talking
• 3:07
  Speaker 2: about Travis Hunter playing both ways, and Greeny was making
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: the argument that he did it at elevation. I was like, eh,
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: I get you. He was like, he did it at elevation,
• 3:18
  Speaker 2: so it's going to be easier down at sea level.
• 3:21
  Speaker 2: I was like, eh, you know what happens at sea level? Humidity.
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: You know what happens in Florida? Heat. I'd rather have
• 3:27
  Speaker 2: a hard time getting oxygen than be down there trying
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: to do 150 snaps In a hundred degree weather.
• 3:34
  Speaker 1: Yo, I do think this though about Travis Hunter.
• 3:36
  Speaker 4: When Travis Hunter's time on this.
• 3:38
  Speaker 1: Earth is up, it's going to be like Secretariat where
• 3:42
  Speaker 1: he's going to die and they're going to cut him
• 3:44
  Speaker 1: open and they're going to find out his heart.
• 3:46
  Speaker 4: Was like the size of a watermelon, right?
• 3:49
  Speaker 1: Like we are just going to find out that he
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: had something inside him that is completely different. He also
• 3:53
  Speaker 1: appears to have one of these young people things.
• 3:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I like, it.
• 3:59
  Speaker 1: May probably could be diagnosed. That boy don't never be still.
• 4:03
  Speaker 1: Anytime you see a clip of Travis Hunter, he is
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: always moving. That would drive me insane.
• 4:09
  Speaker 2: I don't say it to suggest that he can't do it.
• 4:14
  Speaker 2: Just saying like, it actually ain't easier. And you're right.
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: There are some people that I think just are different.
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: And we had this conversation about like me trying to
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: copy what Champ did when I first got there. It
• 4:25
  Speaker 2: took me three days to realize that. I can't. No,
• 4:30
  Speaker 2: I just can't. You're right. I think that's true about
• 4:33
  Speaker 2: Travis Hunter. But I'm just saying it ain't going to
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: be easier than it was in college. That's just the
• 4:38
  Speaker 2: crazy part to me.
• 4:39
  Speaker 4: No, but I am intrigued.
• 4:40
  Speaker 1: You are far more optimistic about the idea of him
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: playing on both sides than I am. Now, I think
• 4:46
  Speaker 1: when I've seen you talk about it, you made the
• 4:48
  Speaker 1: point that you think like 80-80, right? Like not playing
• 4:53
  Speaker 1: every snap of the game. I still think it's positively
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: insane that they're even going for this. But I think
• 4:59
  Speaker 1: the part that people need to remember is if you
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: look at how much Jacksonville gave up to trade up
• 5:05
  Speaker 1: to take him, it only makes sense. It can't just
• 5:10
  Speaker 1: be we're going to see if he can do both.
• 5:13
  Speaker 1: The plan must be that he could do both. The
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: difference between him and Shohei Ohtani is he only pitch
• 5:19
  Speaker 1: every five days.
• 5:21
  Speaker 4: And when you pitch, you don't have to play in
• 5:23
  Speaker 4: the field. He's going to do all of this apparently.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: And like, I, I mean, no disrespect to baseball players,
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: but I assume that they would agree that like the
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: tax on your body is a little different. And he's like,
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: to your point, he's not playing both. He's not doing
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: both things at a high level at the same time,
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: but it's still just a different asking for different things.
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: There is playing corner and receiver and, it's going to
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: be tearing up the same muscles and body parts for
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: the course of an entire game. And so, like, I
• 5:58
  Speaker 2: don't think it's not insane. I just also think that
• 6:02
  Speaker 2: sometimes insane shit happens. To the point that you were making,
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: they might just do some sort of analysis of his
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: blood and find out that he just was born with
• 6:13
  Speaker 2: a lot more white blood cells or red blood cells
• 6:15
  Speaker 2: than anybody else. I don't know. It certainly seems like
• 6:18
  Speaker 2: what he's done so far suggests that if nothing else
• 6:20
  Speaker 2: is possible, But you said the thing about compensation from
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: one side. It only makes sense for the team. There's
• 6:27
  Speaker 2: the compensation question from the other side. You don't want
• 6:30
  Speaker 2: to get in the habit of doing two jobs for
• 6:33
  Speaker 2: the price of one.
• 6:35
  Speaker 1: Some people got mad at me about this when he
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: was at Colorado where I'm like, y'all keep acting like
• 6:40
  Speaker 1: y'all doing this boy a favor by letting him work
• 6:42
  Speaker 1: two jobs, by letting him work a double shift.
• 6:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, what are you talking about? This is insane.
• 6:48
  Speaker 1: In the way NFL works, salaries are set up there's
• 6:52
  Speaker 1: no way at least on the rookie wage scale for
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: you to account for what we're talking about now maybe
• 6:58
  Speaker 1: he could wind up getting into that overage pool that
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: they have you know based on all the stuff he's doing.
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: But that don't work because that is uh the formula
• 7:08
  Speaker 2: includes where you were drafted oh yeah i i made
• 7:12
  Speaker 2: more my rookie year from that overage pool than i
• 7:15
  Speaker 2: did for my actual salaries because I was damn near
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: a fourth round draft pick. And so I was not
• 7:21
  Speaker 2: expected to play more than half of the defensive snaps.
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: It's different for him. I mean, I guess maybe he'll
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: break the formula if he plays on both sides of
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: the ball.
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 7:31
  Speaker 4: Here's my question. Does the formula even have accounting?
• 7:36
  Speaker 2: No, no. It goes by percentages, percentage of snaps on
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: your side of the ball. Or even if you combine them,
• 7:45
  Speaker 2: it's still going by percentage of snaps. It fucking around
• 7:48
  Speaker 2: and hurt him.
• 7:52
  Speaker 1: I think for me, and I just have eyeball scoutability, okay?
• 7:57
  Speaker 1: He looks like an all-pro caliber corner to me. And
• 8:04
  Speaker 1: like a very good receiver.
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: Like, I don't know.
• 8:07
  Speaker 1: Or maybe it's because I never really entertained the I
• 8:09
  Speaker 1: always thought him play a receiver was a bit more
• 8:11
  Speaker 1: toward like gimmick territory. Like, oh, let's throw him out here.
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: So I don't think when he was at Colorado, I
• 8:16
  Speaker 1: didn't give a lot of thought to him as a
• 8:17
  Speaker 1: receiver that I looked up and they said he had
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: 15 touchdown catches. And I was like, whoa, okay, this
• 8:22
  Speaker 1: is this is something now, you know, in the Big 12.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: But still, it was like, oh, okay, I guess that's
• 8:28
  Speaker 1: what's going on here. But he out here working these doubles,
• 8:31
  Speaker 1: and think he the one coming out on top.
• 8:35
  Speaker 4: That's tough, man.
• 8:36
  Speaker 2: That is tough. You pointed out the rookie wage situation.
• 8:40
  Speaker 2: There's a cap limitation. There's also, when you get to
• 8:43
  Speaker 2: your contract, it's like we always base these contracts off
• 8:47
  Speaker 2: of precedent at your position. And so since he has
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: potentially an unprecedented contract position like we see this time
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: and time again where guys are abnormally impactful for the
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: position that they play and then they're caught in this
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: trick bag where they're trying to convince everyone else to
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: treat me treat me a tight end like a receiver
• 9:09
  Speaker 2: that's the way the yeah because that's the way this
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: offense is using me and treating me or treat me
• 9:15
  Speaker 2: like a defensive end even though I'm a tackle but
• 9:18
  Speaker 2: I'm having this type of impact so That aside, even
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: a franchise tag is a steal for him. The point
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: of the franchise tag is kind of to force both
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: sides to make a deal because of the cap implications.
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: It makes it pretty hard. But then if you go
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: into the actual open market, make me the highest paid corner,
• 9:37
  Speaker 2: make me the highest paid receiver. Yeah, sure. Even if
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not great at both, if I'm average at one
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: and good at the other, I deserve a lot more
• 9:47
  Speaker 2: than anybody else playing this game short of Patrick Mahomes,
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Joe Burrow. Everybody else, get behind me.
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: And that's just not going to work as a negotiation tactic. No,
• 9:57
  Speaker 2: it's not.
• 9:58
  Speaker 4: By the way, speaking of Lamar.
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: Jackson, Josh Allen, and I just thought about this because
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: you mentioned their names.
• 10:05
  Speaker 4: You know, we do on our list over here, right?
• 10:09
  Speaker 2: We got our.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: Top 25 athletes of the top 25 years. And sometimes
• 10:13
  Speaker 1: we take out clips from those things and we put
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: them on the Internet and but people don't understand that
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: the clips are coming from a list, right? They just
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: don't get that. And so in making my case for
• 10:26
  Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson in the context of the 25 and 25 years,
• 10:31
  Speaker 1: discuss the fact that he's a two-time MVP who would
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: be a three-time MVP, except they felt like giving Josh
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: Allen an MVP, which I think is incontrovertibly true. You
• 10:40
  Speaker 1: can't make the argument that you thought that Lamar was
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: first team. This is like that offensive player of the
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: year award. that is always there just so somebody else
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: can get some love, right? You can't make the guy
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: first team all pro at quarterback and then not vote
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: for him at MVP, right?
• 10:56
  Speaker 4: That seems very Solomonic. You're splitting the baby, dog, right?
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: Acting like Solomon out here.
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there we go, right? Like that's what we're doing.
• 11:06
  Speaker 1: You better call Saul so he say you're going to
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: cut the baby in half. And rather than somebody saying, no, no, no,
• 11:12
  Speaker 1: don't cut the baby in half, people are like, who,
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: half of you?
• 11:15
  Speaker 4: You cut, I choose. Right? They went with that part.
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: Brother, there is a fictional Lamar Jackson-Josh Allen rivalry that
• 11:25
  Speaker 1: only exists.
• 11:26
  Speaker 4: On the internet and really exists in Buffalo.
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: Because they think me and you still hate Josh Allen.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: And first of all, we never hated him in the
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: first place.
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, you clearly don't listen to anything that
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: we say about Josh Allen.
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: It ain't. I mean, it ain't. I think you did
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: the Hulk Hogan thing, which I thought you did a
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: good job talking about that. And I think that all
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: of this stuff is sports entertainment, and some of it
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: is more sports than entertainment. Obviously, the wrestling is more
• 12:00
  Speaker 2: entertainment than sports, but I think some of the fan
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: behavior and some of the analysis of sports is heavily entertainment.
• 12:10
  Speaker 2: And I think that what you need in entertainment is
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: you need a good guy and you need a bad guy. Yes.
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: And all of us in sports media gave them enough
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: to make us the bad guy, and they ain't going
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: to let it go, which is fine. They ain't going
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: to let it go. I'm still experiencing the... I was
• 12:28
  Speaker 2: talking about the Jalen Hurts stuff. I still got that
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: going on. Whereas I say only positive things about Jalen
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: Hurts before and after the Pretty Privileged joke. And now
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: this man making money. I can't even get it in commercial. Jalen,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: give me a call, man. I would have reset the
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: shit for the Sprite commercial for a couple bucks.
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: I forgot that they were saying that your woman wanted
• 12:54
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts more than you.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: I completely forgot that.
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: So for those who don't remember what had happened, Dominique
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: got on television and said something that I thought was funny.
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: Let me not say that you thought was funny because
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: that sounds like passive-aggressive shade.
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: It's fine.
• 13:11
  Speaker 2: It obviously wasn't funny enough.
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: But I can't remember exactly what he said, something that
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: didn't make no sense. Like, I remember that very clearly
• 13:19
  Speaker 1: being the issue. Whatever he said didn't add up. And
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: Dominique was like, look, he only getting away with this.
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: This pretty privilege. People think he good looking and therefore
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: he could get away with saying this. And then it
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: got aggregated. And they're like, oh, you know, you know,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: Fosworth girl must be all up on him. You know,
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: he can't get no doubt. And I'm like, boy, you guys.
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: have a serious misunderstanding of the confidence level of Dominique Foxworth,
• 13:38
  Speaker 1: number one.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: Like, it was so wild as I'm hearing this, and
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: I hope.
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: That people feel like this about me when some stuff happens,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: where they pop up and they're like, oh yeah, I
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: don't really know this dude at all, right? And so
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: they was coming at Dominique from every corner, and you're
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: obviously joking, you're laughing the whole nine, but you was
• 13:55
  Speaker 1: the cat that everybody was mad at for that day
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: because everybody need to find somebody that they go wind
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: up being mad at and they was mad at you
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: about Jalen Hurts and let me tell you something man
• 14:07
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts gonna be an interesting one for me because
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: I still have not seen any reason for me to
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: change my opinion of him yeah right like I still
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: think that he is a good quarterback I still think
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: that well it may be different this year because they
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: had a lot of changes in personnel but last year
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: their weakest position group was quarterback. Now, if you think
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: that he is a top four or five quarterback in
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: the league, that still fits because every position group they
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: had was higher than top four, right? From offensive line,
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: running back, wide receivers, defensive line, linebackers, DBs.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: They was all the way up there.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: And if Jalen Hurts was the fifth best quarterback in
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: the league, which I think we all agree is the
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: highest that you could reasonably put him, then that was
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: still their weakest position group, right? But we've made it
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: in this world such that the quarterback is the answer
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: for everything, in spite of if we see it here.
• 15:10
  Speaker 4: And, you know, people like him, right? He is a
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: well-liked player.
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: It's going to take more for me to change where
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: I come from on Jalen Hurts than it did for
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: me to change where I came from on Josh Allen. Now, granted,
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I never thought he was terrible like I thought Josh
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: Allen was terrible. But I'm not, I don't think I
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: can get there to top five, or at least I
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: am not there yet. If he shows that he, like
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: a leap, not even a leap, but a jump in
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: his play, I might be able to ride out with you,
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: but they still don't seem like they really want to
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: throw the ball unless they got to.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and if any other situation you could survive, or
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: not even survive, thrive the way they thrived without throwing
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: the ball, of course you don't. Because you know what's
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: high risk, high reward is throwing a deep pass. You
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: know what's low risk and high reward? Running that thing
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: for 55 yards. So they had a unique situation, and
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: he played well in important moments. The conversation about Jalen
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: that I find more interesting, rather than making these comparisons,
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: it's just like how astonishing his career has been.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Amazing.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: Like the track record. And the thing that I marvel
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: at for him is how every situation there are major
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: setbacks that would be like, oh, ain't nobody coming back
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: from this. And somehow he comes back. And jumps over it.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: That's why I kind of feel like the people, especially
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: since Jalen doesn't seem to care that much, the people
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: who constantly want us to compare him to Patrick Mahomes
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: and the likes of them are doing him a disservice.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: It kind of feels like I ran... a marathon and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: you like, but what about them ultras though? I just
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: ran damn near 25 miles. Can we, like that to
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: me is what's so impressive about, we can go through
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: the whole history of his career, but he obviously, he
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: kind of failed to some degree at Alabama, then went
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: on and won the Heisman somewhere else. Well, hold on.
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: This is where it's interesting, right?
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: It's major setbacks while also being wildly successful.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: So freshman year at Alabama, he was the offensive player
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: of the year. He was first team, all SEC. And
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, he was a Heisman Trophy finalist, right?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Like he was way up there. And then they were, oh, see,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: remember they got mad at me because I said every
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: team Jalen Hurts has been on has ultimately been held
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: back by his shortcomings as a passer, which by the way,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: when I said that was absolutely true. He gets to Alabama,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, Oklahoma. And if I'm not mistaken, he was
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy runner up first team, all big 12, third team.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: All American as I'm looking at it. Not that good
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: a passer.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: But again, everything I'm saying, yeah, but look at the
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: wild success that we're talking about at the top level
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: of it. His second year as an NFL starter. They
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: made it to the Super Bowl where he played a
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: better game than Patrick Mahomes.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: That's the crazy part, man.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: But then the next year it was like, bro, I
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: don't know about your meds. Like it's it's we say
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: we keep talking setbacks.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: But there's so many highs that if that's all you
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: ever did, would it be great?
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: It just feels so unfair as soon as he does these.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: And it's not even that they're setbacks. They feel like
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: falls that would be almost impossible to come back from.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: It's like on the highest stage at Alabama, they benched
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: him and the other guy took his spot. It's hard
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: to bounce back from that. And then you're a second
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: round pick behind a guy who's a damn near wins
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the MVP. It's hard to come in there and take
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: that spot. Then you go to Super Bowl play well
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: and have a really like a bad season the following
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: year in your second pick. It's hard to come back
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: from that. He then comes back and balls out in
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl again and wins one and gets a
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl MVP. It's that all the Jalen Hurts supporters,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: if you really cared about him, that's what we need
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: to be focusing on. Stop pushing him out here to
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: go fight these other bullies. Let's celebrate what he's done
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: so far.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say, though, the one thing that I
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: don't think was as hard as you pointed to was
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: unseating Carson Wentz.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I have two rationale.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: Number one, for whatever reason, the people around him don't
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: seem to like him that much. I don't know why.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: But number two, second round picks unseated. are intended to
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: be starters. Somebody took him with the thought of, you know,
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: maybe we can get.
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: This other cat out of here and do it for
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: the cheap. But you're right.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: He has pulled it off. And now this year is
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: going to be interesting because they don't have all the
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: same guys, right? Like, Mekhi Becton not playing left guard
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: or whichever guard he played for you. They didn't dare
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: put him on the same side as Lane, did they?
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: He was on the right.
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: Oh, God.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: I think he was on the right.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: The eclipse. They just had an eclipse on the right
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: side of the line. I can't imagine.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: You imagine you play over there and it's Lane on
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: the other side.
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: And you're like, no, let me get the light work.
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: The 375-pound guy next to him.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: First round pick.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I told you, I posted up with Lane at Super
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Bowl in Vegas and I just couldn't believe it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Lane, I remember, I think it was at the
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: same party we saw where he was walking around with
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: a diamond chain.
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: Big old chain.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I was like, man, I didn't even know how to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: feel or think. It just, yeah, sometimes it's just different
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: species of humans and Lane fits in that category.
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Ryan says that Lane Johnson used to be a quarterback.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard that.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I don't understand what that means. Like, what are you
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: talking about? Quarterback where and how? Like, I'm hearing this
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm suspended.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: He was a quarterback in Juco. Hold up, hold up.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: So we're not even talking about like seventh grade.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, not in high school. He played quarterback
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: in tight end at Juco.
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: What fucking offense were they running?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Would Lane Johnson show up and say, I'm a quarterback?
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, yo, let me tell you this.
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: I just thought of something that could... I mean, maybe
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: it would mess the party up.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: You know what I just thought about, didn't you?
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Just pushing Lane Johnson as quarterback.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: I just thought about it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: Would you.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Would you lose with like with losing Lane Johnson as
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: the tackle mess it up or would it make the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: touch push absolutely more unstoppable?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would make it. I mean, that should be
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: first down play. We get four at least. We get
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: four at least. And that reminds me of like the
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Trent Williams when the 49ers had that man running in motion.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: To kick out.
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: Oh, me and you both were like, hey, y'all can't
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: allow this.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Rules committee. Hey, I need to send y'all this video.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: That's like that in all the plays that Big Brain
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Ben used to run for Sewell.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. I think so. My son is probably going
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: to play tackle for the first time this year. And
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: they're like certain rules to keep like the bigger kids
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: in certain leagues away. Like you can't be like 220
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: and running the ball because nobody can't tackle you. Yeah,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: we need to institute some of that around here, around
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this with Sewell. And just before
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I say this, I need y'all to understand. I'm not
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the one being racist. How soon is Vince McMahon at
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Sewell's door the second he says he don't want to
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: play football no more? Like, I'm actually surprised that Vince
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: McMahon wasn't in the parking lot at Oregon every day
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out how to get Sewell to be
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: a wrestler.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, wouldn't The history of wrestling is not even
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: with you being in your nationality. If we can trick them,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: we gonna trick them.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, him as a Polynesian is a long
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: line of big old athletic Polynesians. Other than The Rock,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: when's the last time we had a really good Polynesian wrestler?
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I ain't been paying attention because the problem was all
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: the portrayals of the Polynesian wrestlers were Over the top racist.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: Like it always seemed like Jimmy Superfly Schnooker was ready
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to drink out of somebody's head. Like crack it open.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: They always had him out there. Like they was about
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to eat Captain Cook. Oh, I forgot Roman Reigns. He
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Apollo Nietzsche.
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: Oh, is he?
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. I don't follow it like I
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: used to, obviously.
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: But I do remember that they just had to cheat code.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: They're like, look, we, we, you know how we can
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: tell stories. is if we show you something and we
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: know exactly what you're thinking, we gonna reinforce it. We
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: don't gotta drive it home anymore than we already have.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: That's correct.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: But I still think that Panay Sewell, like, they would've,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he got a brother, but Vince
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: would've made them a tag team. They'd have been out
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: there doing some incredible moves.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: You know the thing where you give him, throw him,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: what they call it, the Irish whip, and then you
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: throw him in the ropes, and then when they run
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: at you, you jump up like spread eagle over him.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: I bet you Sewell can do that.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I would be afraid for him to try that trick
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: on my watch, but I bet you Sewell could do that.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: There was just like a random D-line in that, and
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: when I was in Denver, that could just hit backflips.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I was just like, I couldn't do a backflip. I
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: was 200 pounds lighter than him. And faster, more explosive.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: It's just like the level. Who was the guy? It
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: was Tristan Wirfs, right? That man did a vertical leap
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: out of a pool. Go try it. Google it. Look
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: it up. Watch him do it. Then go goddamn try it.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Do you know how hard that is? It's absurd.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: You know how much strength you have to have and power?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: It's not just strength and power. exposed because he's also big.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: You throw your body out of a pool.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: I believe is that also when it works, worse went
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: to Iowa.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Iowa.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Okay.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: That Iowa strength program, man, that Iowa strength program is
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: a whole nother thing. I'd also want to say this
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: while I'm thinking about it with the Polynesians. Don't the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Polynesians break all of our binary race-based assumptions of athletic
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: ability and Like, where do the Polynesians fall in on this?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't paid. I mean, outside of football, it's and.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I seem to be the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: only sport that we really done got them into. But
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: they be out there running. They be out there jumping.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: They be doing all that stuff. And all I'm saying
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: is like that boy Tua, if we didn't know that
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: Polynesia existed. Where he get his hair cut at, you
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: feel me?
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Like they would be saying that's us.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, his brother went to Maryland and was a quarterback
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: there for a while. And yeah, that's us.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they out there trying to explain to the cops. No, no, no.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: No, no, no.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Why you going through my shit, man? Like, no, come on, man. Oh,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: it happened.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Y'all think, Reed, Reed, don't you see all these letters?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: That ain't African. You know what I'm saying?
• 26:44
  Speaker 4: They out here trying to get out of the, get
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: out of the trick bag. Cause they've been discriminated against
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: in that moment.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I can't get past the jumping out of a pool.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: It's summertime. So y'all, y'all are y'all probably in pools
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: every now and then just try it.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: The other thing is, it's not just the fact that
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: you could jump out the pool and make it is
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that you got to have the confidence to know you got,
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: you got to make that clearly because otherwise this could
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: turn into a catastrophe.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. at that size like what are you doing man
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: there's only there's only one way to get out of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: pools it's a climb out that's the only way anyone's
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: ever gotten out of pools sometimes with a ladder sometimes
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: on the ledge no one's ever gotten out of a
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: pool in any other way there's many ways to get
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: in the pool but there's only one way to get
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: out unless your name is tristan works i ain't never
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: seen nobody else do.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: That well i also think the other thing that people
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: lose sight of generally speaking about the athleticism of offensive
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: linemen is they're not faster than you but they're faster
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: than me They're faster than 95% of the people who
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: are listening to this podcast.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Like, oh, man, he ran a 5.2 in the 40.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: You go do it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Go do it right now, and I bet you're not
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: going to put up no 5.2.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: That is always funny how people just assume, yeah, that
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: they can run a certain time. Like, it happens every year.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: No one gets out of it. Like, yeah, y'all listening,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: y'all running 7.6s. Like, it's a long, long way, unless
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: you're a college athlete or something. It's a long way
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: to run.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, most of y'all ain't getting no 40-yard. And them
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: big boys be out there getting it. Like when Andre
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Smith that year, when he was out there with them
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: thangs swanging left and right and we had all them jokes,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: his big ass was running faster than you could.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, gosh. I'm sorry. I got sidetracked. I was just
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: watching this man explode out of a pool.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: I tell you, man, that sizzle reel that the Iowa
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: strength program, you know, they had to get rid of
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: that one strength coach, you know, because all that sizzle.
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: In fact, we need to go look at the roster, man,
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: see if they got any more of the new phenomenon
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: coming out of there. Because they had our boy Coop,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Riley Moss. They be trying the new phenomenon out there.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: Shout out to the OG new phenomenon from Iowa, Tim Dwight.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Riley Moss is underappreciated. Coop got a lot of love
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: because of his basketball tape and because his team was
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: really good and he played in big-time moments and made plays.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: I don't mean this to be judgmental of him, but
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: I think we got to be honest. He's a hell
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: of a white nickel. Nickel.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Nickel.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Emphasize that. Yeah. My bad. Oh, no, no.
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: You did just fine. I just need you to know
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: who your real friends are. You know what I'm saying?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to leave you out there.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. And I know that Cooper DeGene, you
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: and I were on this early. I know he has
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: the ability to play on the outside. and does sometimes.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: But we underappreciate Riley Moss because that man play on
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the outside all the time. And he plays opposite Patrick Sertan.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: And that's not even it. On a defense, on a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: defense that only plays man-to-man coverage. Every snap just about.
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Milk check every down.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I had not considered the fact that he is the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: other corner. And you as someone who has lived a
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: life as being the other corner on the other side
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: of that guy.
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: You getting a workout today, buddy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I've been the other corner on the other side of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: one of the best in the league and in the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: history of the league. And I also... have a complexion
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: that will make you think twice and put up a
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: 40 time that might make you run some short routes.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Riley Moss is out there. And again, I played in
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: a defense that we mixed some zone in. We did
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of zero blitzes and some man coverage, but
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: we mixed in some fours and twos. That ain't really
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: what they doing. I ain't looked up the percentage, but
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: they have to lead the league in man coverage percentage.
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: And he just out there manned up all game long.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: I think part of why Coop gets the attention is,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I remember where Riley Moss was going through draft process.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I think he was a second or third round pick,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: somewhere in there. But, you know, the projections were that
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: he would be there. You'd see people talking about it,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: but they didn't really, like, get into the conversation. And
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: I think he walked so that Coop could run. Like,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: once it became clear that Riley Moss was an actual, like,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: NFL player, now we... But even then, they were still
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: real skeptical on our guy Coop, right? I think they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: started looking at him a little closer, like, huh, look
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: at that nose.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: I think he might be able to.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I think he might be able to get it done.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Trying to claim my man.
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: That's right.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: That's right, man. Oh, goodness, man.
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: Coming up next. Coming up next. We're going to talk
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: about Jerry Jones being all something a little bit cuckoo.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: We are back with Dominique Foxworth. And I was sitting
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: here minding my own business, getting ready for the show.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Coming up with stuff.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: And I look up on the television and you up
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: there with Adam Schefter and you were there with Ryan Clark.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And Adam Schefter was explaining how the Michael Parsons deal
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: is not imminent because Michael Parsons just at practice looking
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: sad every day, right?
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Just looking bummed out.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: But he got to come so they don't find him,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: you know, take his money away from him. And Adam
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: Schefter told us the reason that apparently a deal has
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: not been done with Michael Parsons.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: And if you haven't heard this, this is pretty amazing.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: So apparently, Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons had worked out
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: the framework of a deal. Notice I say Jerry Jones
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: and Micah Parsons. I don't mean Jerry Jones and Micah
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Parsons camp. I mean Jerry Jones and Micah Parsons had
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: worked this deal out. And at some point, Micah Parsons' agent,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: David Mulgeda, was like, what?
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: You lost your mind.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: And so now he's coming in and trying to undo
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: some of what had been discussed, right?
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: But Jerry Jones is like, hey, deal's a deal. Well,
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: you already worked that part out. And that is a
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: significant part of why we're still here. The way Adam
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Schefter talked about it is the idea of the deal
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: is foregone conclusion is not there.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: That they've got to undo and redo in order to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: make this happen.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: And Dominique, how did they make this so difficult?
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, you don't give Michael Parsons exactly what he
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: asked for, but you kind of do.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I was going to say that I don't want to
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: repeat the stuff that I said on Get Up, but
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: I imagine that. excuse me, not everybody is watching.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Hold on, you're not required to make up new answers
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: when the answer is the answer.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying? Just so you know. We
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: can't let these motherfuckers have this because I've been seeing
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: this happen too. We were like, man, you said the
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: same thing over. Sometimes you do that.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I just have a hard time because I understand when
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: there are situations, I understand why some negotiations get difficult
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: and contentious. Like, While I rarely and probably never as
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: fair end up on the side of management, I understand.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I pipe down a little bit if that argument has happened.
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I just might avoid that topic because I don't feel
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: like caping for them. This one don't make no sense. Like,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: this is a simple situation, and there are negotiations in this.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: This should not be a negotiation. I think this is
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: tantamount to a max salary in basketball. Like, it's time.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: This is what he get. Pay him. This is not
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: someone you should negotiate with. He was a first round
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: pick who performed better than you, who performed like on
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame track. What are we doing? You
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: pay him $ 1 more than the person who got paid
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: at that position prior to him. You make him the
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: highest paid non-quarterback in the league. The sooner you can
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: do it, the better off you can be. That's what
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I don't understand is you have to understand that There
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: are some car dealerships you can go into and haggle.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: There are some that the price is the price because
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: it's so rare and valuable. Tell me somebody who got
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: a good deal on a brand new Lamborghini. Never happened.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Not never. Not never. Just go in there and pay.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That's what doesn't make sense to me. It's just not
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: how it works. It's how it's ever worked. I don't
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: know what they're doing from the cowboy side.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: He is.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this He is probably the greatest
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: non-terp defensive player in the history of the Dallas Cowboys.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Only that one terp I can think of. DeMarcus Ware
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: is maybe in the conversation also, right?
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: But if we're not talking about Randy White, I can't
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: think of a Cowboy. Oh, Diaz Adams.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: But you can make an argument.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Given the thing that gets lost because they don't ask
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: him to do it anymore is that Michael Parsons would
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: be maybe the best off-ball linebacker too, right? Because the
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: plan was not for him to be an edge rusher
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: when he got there. Otherwise, he does not go number
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: 12 or whatever it was in the draft.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: Then they're like, oh, he could do that too? Okay, cool.
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: He's that guy. There's no way around it. I can't believe...
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: I could understand why it might take you a while
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: to come to a consensus with C.D. Lamb.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: I could understand how it is that you don't want
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: to have to make yourself pay Dak Prescott all that money.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: You should be excited about giving that money to Michael Parsons.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: You can't wait. Like, there's no way that it helps you. So, like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: if you pay him sooner, the price is lower. If
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: you pay him sooner, your cap hit is lower. If
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: you pay him sooner, then you have him extended through
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the period where he is most impactful. You pay him sooner,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: you have money to negotiate, to add other people to
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: this roster. And when there are players, like there are
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: some deals that are easy to do. And I don't
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: understand why you want to expend so much of this capital. Like,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know. And the fact that David Mugeta is a,
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: like a long time, really successful, like one of the
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: best agents in football. The fact that he is the
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: agent makes it even easier. You ain't pulling the fast
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: one on him, man. He know the game. And he also, like,
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: he ain't trying to do nothing tricky. I don't know
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: what he's asking for, but he ain't trying to make
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: a name for himself. You know what the deal is.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Sign the deal.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And they got a good team. Yeah. I think it is...
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: Because they.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: Are such an understandable object of ridicule, it's easy to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: lose sight of the fact they won.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: Seven games last year with a very hurt Dak Prescott, right? Now,
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: they gave up. Holy shit. Do you know how many
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: points they gave up last year?
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Do you know the exact number?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: I don't. 468.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: To put this in context, the Eagles.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: Scored 463 that's not right right so it was like
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: the eagles gave.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Up 303 the cowboys gave up 468 even better context
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: the giants gave up 450 oh i mean that's awful
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: awful awful.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: Awful, but they still have a chance to be pretty good.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: My expectation is that this Washington thing is not going to.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: Go for people the way that they expect it to.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: I think I always, my assumption with young quarterback in
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: year two is not, and it's only up from here.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: That's People tend to catch on to whatever it is
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: Cliff has been doing. You know, you got that situation. Oh,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: and they ain't giving Terry McLaurin his money, which is
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: another confusing one. But all right, whatever y'all think, right?
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: The Cowboys got a good chance to be second in
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: that division, which can be a Super Bowl contender, to
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: be honest.
• 39:04
  Speaker 4: You know, you get the right draw. You can make
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: this happen. This the guy you just got to get
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: a bread to, man.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: But Jerry, my thing with Jerry now is, And I've
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: long thought that Jerry gets a bit of a bad rap.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I think Jerry's a better football man than he has
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: gotten credit for. I met Jerry in person for the
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: first time.
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: In fact, you were with me. I believe it was 2022.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: We did a Bob Costas show back on the record
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: with Bob Costas.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: And Jerry was there.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And when you're around Jerry, you can see oh this
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: is how this is how he traffics this is why
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: he gets where he is he feels old now and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: he never felt old before but he feels old but
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: is still always at the microphone I love.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: Loves it.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: But every day you get a whole, and look, it's
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: tough for cats getting older, man. Every day they know
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: that they not as sharp as they was the day before,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: you know, but Jerry is on the mic every day
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: and we're seeing it.
• 39:59
  Speaker 4: We're seeing it and it is not helpful.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: And he also like still has the power and influence
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: that he had before. So I suspect that he allow,
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: I hope, I mean, I've heard to be fair that,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Some of the football scouting and those decisions are delegated
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to younger, more qualified people. Not necessarily more qualified, more
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: active people. And he still wants to make these bigger
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: decisions and talk about these bigger decisions, which makes everyone
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: else's job and life more difficult. But that's the situation.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know any way around it. You started to
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: go to the Terry McLaurin thing. And this was the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: big sticking point for me on Terry McLaurin is, I
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: understand the position of the commanders where they're like, all right, well,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: you ain't better than Justin Jefferson, so we can't pay you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: You're 30 and receivers go down at that point, so
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: we can't pay you. I get it logically. But you
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: know who you can't get? Justin Jefferson. You know who
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: else you can't get? Some receiver under 30. This is
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: the situation you're in and you believe yourself to be
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: in some sort of championship window. You have a quarterback
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: who specializes in throwing the deep ball. You know who
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: caught most of those? Terry McLaurin. Like, it's about your options.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: You don't have any other options unless you want to
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: take a step back this year, which they may have
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: to anyway because, I mean, it's just hard in football.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: And a lot of their one-score wins, they had a
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Hail Mary win. They were like 100% on fourth down
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: conversions last year. Like, that stuff could change. But you certainly–
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: not going to be any better without him. So I
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: really don't get the rationale, especially while you have a
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: quarterback who's playing MVP-level football for rookie money.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: A young guy, man. Like, again, I'm telling you, it's
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: ups and downs with that. You still need to keep
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: everything else around the young guy cracking. You still need everything. Man,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: you live there, man. I can only imagine how.
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: Excited they are.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: They team good, and it look like they might start
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: being racist again. Boy, I can't imagine how gassed up
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: people are down there. For those of you who ain't
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: seen this, Trump trying to get them to go back
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: to calling the team the R's.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: He wants to get back there.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: When you talk about the Washington football team could go
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: back to being racist, you got to be specific. Because
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: if they go back to their true racist roots- they're
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: going to be looking for a quarterback again.
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: That is true. That is true.
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: That is true.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Yo, the Rs are my greatest example of every time
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: somebody like the fans won't tolerate progress, what you think
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: they was giving back that Doug Williams, you, you, you, you,
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Doug Williams still ain't paying for nothing around those parts.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: You think, you think they was like, nah, I'd rather the,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: the way that Dallas fans would rather not win than
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: do it without me. They would rather lose a look
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: at Dodgers than win with Anthony Davis.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: That is not how they treated that Doug Williams super.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Love it. Love that Doug Williams Super Bowl. Even though
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: there's a last team in pro football to have black
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: people on it. Like that Doug Williams Super Bowl.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Dude, I told you, man, you go look at what
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: their record was before Joe Gibbs.
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: They the Cardinals.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: Like they, they just, they were just like, nah, we'd
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: rather be sorry.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: The Cardinals. Like, I don't know when it was. It
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: was a few, like 10 years ago or so or
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: something like that where I realized that how historic a
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: franchise the Cardinals are. They're the oldest. Right. And we
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: don't think of them that way because they don't got
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: no glory days. It's crazy. Like, the Cardinals feel like
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: an expansion team from the 90s a little bit. But
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals... been to multiple cities and they've been around
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: since this shit started and they just ain't had nothing
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: that we can look to and be like, oh, remember
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: when they had that dynasty?
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Well, because think about it, right?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: The Bears, you can talk about the dick of years,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: but the Bears, honestly, since like the 1940s, have been sorry.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: They won a championship, I want to say, in 1963.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: They won the one in 1985. Otherwise they've been cheats,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: but they're the bears. We can point at least to
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: those points.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: We got some names.
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: The Cardinals ain't got no coach that we think like,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: you know, Bruce Arians and like the things they've done,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: but you're right. They ain't had no run, but I
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: believe that of the active franchises, I believe.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: They are the oldest and we don't, you're right. We
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: don't think of them that way at all.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: And it's like those old franchises, like their logos mean something.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: And it like, it resonates for you. Like that bird
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: don't do nothing for me, man. That little bird head. Like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like that, like the bear. See, like, I
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: see that. I, that Packers emblem. I see that. I'm like, football.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I see that Cardinals bird. I'm like, okay.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Cool somebody looks like a three and a half point
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: uh underdog like that is.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: The steelers man i see that little steelers thing i
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: think about yeah yo.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: And the steelers by the way are another team that
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: was sorry until they weren't they were the worst team
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: in the league until the 70s came and they were
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: like okay got two ideas i hear those black people
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: colleges have good players and um shall we say, the training.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: The prayers, and the vitamins.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: They got all the training, the prayers, and the vitamins,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: and then they was unreal. But if you took that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: six-year period out where they won those four Super Bowls, ooh,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that's another one that's.
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: A shaky situation.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean, since then, though. Yes.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: They had, but yeah, that's like the history of it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: And like the, I mean, the Cowboys are kind of
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: the ultimate example, but they've had some good runs. The
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: fair thing about the Cowboys, they haven't won championship, but
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: they had some like meaningful runs since then, including Romo
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: to Dak.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I mean the whole Tom Landry era was like amazing.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: He was only sorry for like a couple of years.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, the Jerry like.
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: Got him out of here.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: But with the Steelers, the reason I bring that up
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: and I think often gets lost is Tomlin has the line,
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: the standard is the standard, right? And it is caught
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: because Mike Tomlin is like the Jay-Z of football, right?
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: He got that bar for you that you'll remember.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: But take away the four championships in six years. They're
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: just like everybody else when it comes to Super Bowls, right?
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: They have won two Super Bowls since 1979.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Two. So, I mean....
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: To be fair, though, who are you talking about that
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: does not? Because I know how we got here, so
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: it doesn't sound crazy, but in isolation, take away the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: four Super Bowls in six years.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: It does.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: But given that that was now 50 years ago, I
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: think we could look at this a little bit. The
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: argument that, yes, Tomlin has not won a playoff game
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: since the Obama administration, which feels somewhat poetic, but neither
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: here nor there, right? I understand the criticism of them
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: not winning those playoff games, right? It's kind of a
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Marvin Lewis sort of argument. I get where people come.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: From on that. The idea that since they're the Steelers,
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: they're supposed to be competing.
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: For Super Bowls every year, that is not supported by
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: the last 45 years of history.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: It's not.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: They're like everybody else. If they get to it, it'll
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: be great.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The 49ers in that time period have been to, I
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: want to say, seven Super Bowls where the Steelers have
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: been there four.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Like, it's not the same. It's just not.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Nobody talks about the 49ers like, well, you ain't won
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: no Super Bowls in this time.
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: 49ers ain't won no Super Bowl since 1994.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: And nobody's like, the standard is the standard.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: They've been close. That's fair. Yeah, I'm just looking around at,
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: I think the Dolphins are another team that I feel
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: like should, they had, they should be more respected, but
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel that way. And they were like the
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: winningest team for a long time. And they had that
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Shula run and Marino. But I'm just looking at these logos, honestly,
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: right now and like trying to see which ones when
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: I look at them, I'll be like, oh, and it
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: ain't the Dolphins, which is unfair to them, I guess.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, they they went to five Super Bowls
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: between the 1970s and 1980s. And they got Don Shula
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: out of there after a winning season because the standard
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: was the standard. And the way that people older than
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: me view the Dolphins is so completely different than people
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: around our age view them because they were a historically
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: great franchise and they just been kind of booty ever since,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like the Denver Broncos are a historically great
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: franchise that we don't think of as a historically great franchise.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: For example, then, you know, well, the Raiders used to be.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: How many runs do you need? Or like, how do
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: you determine that? Is it over multiple coaches over different eras?
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: over multiple quarterbacks like how do you that's a good
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: question because a lot of these teams they had a
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: really great run at a good time because i feel
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: like most of the teams that we think of as
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: these great historic teams are teams that had dynasties before
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: free agency or around the onset of free agency and
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: we're like they're just such a well-run organization like nah
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: they were just taking advantage of the players better than
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: everyone else.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Or like you have your burst to run at the
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: right time.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, the New England Patriots non-Belichick version.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Cheeks.
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: Even with two Super Bowls. to appearances at least, right?
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: We're talking about cheeks here. Nobody, like, nobody's like North
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Carolina men's basketball, right? Or Alabama football, where we just
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: be good for a real long time. Yeah, it may
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: be a little low, but then we gonna pop back
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: up and get a crack at it. That's not really
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: how the NFL works. Everybody has had, like, you know,
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the Browns had their run again before other people really
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: got on the black people thing.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: They had a, they had themselves a nice run. The Bengals,
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: you know, until this Brown took over, you know, they've been,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: they had a couple of super bowls that they had
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: gone to. Honestly, the only team that's been like super
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: consistently good like that for their entire existence has been
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: your boys, the Baltimore Ravens.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: They, I mean, what they've done has been really impressive
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: and amazing, but they came in. Yeah. And they didn't even,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: they didn't come in in a good situation, but they
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: were pretty good right away. And it was that draft man.
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: The draft that you and I talked about. That man,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: that man might have, that man, Ozzie Newsome, that man
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: might have, his first draft as actual general manager of
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: the Baltimore Ravens, that man messed around and got two
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: of the best players in the history of their position
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: and just kicked this thing off right. It ain't turned
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: back since.
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: Two guys who have an argument for being the greatest
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: of all time at their positions. I am about to
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: read off for you in order a run of Baltimore
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Ravens first round picks. I am going to stop at.
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: The year 2006.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: So this is from 1996 to 2006. It's 10 drafts
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: over 11 years, okay? Jonathan Ogden, Ray Lewis. Now I'm
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: about to hit him with the sleeper that one of
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the boys be forgetting about.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Peter Boulware.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Ooh! Another super edge rusher who also could play off
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the ball, right?
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: Mm-hmm.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: Dwayne Starks.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: No.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Very good. A very good player. Chris McAllister. Yeah. Jamal Lewis.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: Travis Taylor. Todd Heap. Ed Reed. Terrell Suggs.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Kyle Bowler.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Mark Clayton. And Haloti Nada.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Lord.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's three guys who are in the Hall
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: of Fame right now. Two more who I think will
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: go in. Not I think is a no-brainer Hall of Famer.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Suggs I don't feel as enthusiastic about, but I still
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: think he's going to be a Hall of Famer.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: He's going to get in, yeah.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: Because I'm the kind of guy who would do this.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: I would put Jabal Lewis in the Hall of Fame. Right?
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: Chris McAllister was a monster.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: That's a hell of a run of picks, old boy.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? I mean... The bottom of
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the barrel there, like, if we cut out the complete misses,
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: we talk about, like, all pro-level, pro-bowl-level guys. Like, Ozzy,
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: he wasn't missing. I was going to say it's a
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: high streak, but that ain't a streak, man. It's so long.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: This is what I do.
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: How you get that many Hall of Famers? That's insanity, man.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: And it also reminds me of one of my favorite
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: football pictures of all time. Oh.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: Jonathan Ogden, player for St. Albans. And you have to understand, guys, St.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: Albans is like a place where very rich people send
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: their kids in D.C. Jonathan Ogden, 6'9. Okay, I'll put
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it this way. You know who played offensive line for St.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Albans?
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Not all of you will know this, but if you
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: are a viewer of the Dominique Foxworth show, Charlie Kravitz.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Played offensive line at St. Albans.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: And if Charlie Kravitz had been in that picture of
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Ogden playing, he would have been the second biggest
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: person in that picture. I just can't believe that those
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: rich dorks had the nerve to have to run up
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: on Jonathan Ogden at any point.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: The reason why that picture is so impressive is because
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Jonathan is surrounded by a bunch of dudes named Charlie.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: That's why it's so amazing. And Jonathan, I mean, he
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: was on their team, so I'm sure they didn't mind it.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: But I guarantee you, There was some other private schools
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: in that league that was not happy about Jonathan Ogden
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: coming downhill on their future president.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: No, brother, you had to treat that like they treated
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Orlando Pace at Ohio State. We're just not even going
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: to put nobody over there.
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why not? We're not going to subject nobody to that.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: By the way, the 1997 draft, you want to talk
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: about a sneaky draft, Orlando Pace, Walter.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Jones, and Tony Gonzalez in the top 13.
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: Hmm.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: That's impressive.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: With Shaw Springs, Peter Boulware, James Farrier, and my man
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: Warwick Dunn thrown in there.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Peter Boulware, like that name, Florida State. He was from,
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: he's from Baltimore too.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: No, he is from, no.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: I'm thinking about Darnell Dockett, the Baltimore Dunbar.
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: Boulware is from South Carolina.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: He was a monster, man.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the African-Americans would not be fond of his politics,
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I don't think.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: Like, he run for office on it. Like, it ain't enough.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying?
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: Getting his Herschel Walker on?
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, hopefully not that far, but yes. Okay. Yes,
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: they be in the same rooms.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Y'all call them the same name.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what? Nobody's concerned about that when he's
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: getting after the passer. That's right. That's right. You can
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: talk about all the bootstraps you want to talk about.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Show me your self-hatred, brother.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Go out here and.
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: Put it out there.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: If you do possess any, by the way.
• 55:18
  Speaker 4: I'm throwing it up as a hypothetical.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: The last thing I would say for people, just because
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I mentioned Warwick Dunn, Warwick Dunn is like the nicest
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: man in the world. And Warwick Dunn is the least
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: assuming football player that you will ever see in person.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: And I will tell you an example of this. I'm
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: in Vegas for the Super Bowl last year and I'm
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: outside of Circa, the joint down off the strip. And
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to Warwick Dunn and we say what's up
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And we get done with the conversation because
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: my friends walk past me. And I was like, yep,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: that was Warwick Dunn. They're like, damn, that was Warwick Dunn?
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: Who were these friends? Charlie Kravitz and Dominique Foxwood. Like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: because why would you think Warwick Dunn was a football player?
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Nothing indicates football player about Warwick Dunn unless he's out
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: there playing football.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Before that incident, I'd interview Warwick. I've been
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: around a bunch of times. But, yeah, you know, it's not, yeah,
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: nothing about him suggests that. And then you see his quickness, athleticism,
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: it changed your mind.
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: I be with Warwick Dunn like, damn, I'm feeling a
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: little tall.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Definitely not big. I never feel big, but I definitely
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: stand with Warwick Dunn. They gonna be like, damn, do
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: you hoop?
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: Are you his agent, perhaps?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: We were at a flag football tournament last weekend, and
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I ran into Vince Carter at the tournament, whose son
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: was there. Vince Carter is very into his kid's sports.
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: He's talking about all his kid's sports and how he's
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: doing all that stuff. And his son, I think, was
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: like seven or something. He was younger than my son,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: so I didn't see him play. But I could only
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: imagine the type of athletes that Vince Carter is producing.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: He walked over and he was like, yeah, he playing
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: flag football at like seven, eight years old. Yeah, go
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: ahead and get it. I don't know who's paying attention.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: If you are a general manager for one of these colleges,
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure you can go ahead and send
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: an offer over there immediately.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: Like Vince Carter did not possess anything What made Michael
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Jordan athleticism so crazy was the grace of it, right?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Like the idea that it's like this dude is floating.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: It's like he's walking on air. Vince Carter athleticism, just
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: powerful explosion, like a smaller version of Dominique Wilkins that
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: could jump higher. Because I did that alt cast with
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Vince last year. And so I got to kick it
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: with him a bit there. He's not a small man
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: by any chance, but it's not.
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: You don't really get it. Me and my brother, and
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: I told.
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Vince this, me and my brother thought that Vince Carter
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: was 6'10.
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: For years just from watching him tip-dunk when he was
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: a freshman at Carolina. We're like, what is this?
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Like, my man, I got a partner who played pickup
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: with him at Woolen when he was at Carolina, and
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: he described it only one way, humbling. Like, it was
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: at that point where he still thought that he had
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: a chance to make the hoop thing happen, and then
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: he'd get out there hooping with Vince. Oh, God.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Humbling, guys. Humbling.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean... I don't know if his son possesses
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: the ability or any of his kids possess the ability
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: to shoot. But no, we're not going to find out.
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is the difference between Vince Carter is 6'6.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: So if his son is 6'3, 6'2, that's big for football.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And you know, you know what you don't need to
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: play football. Like it's nice if you have grace or
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: you have the fine motor coordination or hand out coordination
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: to repeat the jump shot at like a golfer. That
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: would be fantastic. We don't need that over here. We
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: don't need that over here. You got some explosive athleticism?
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: We're going to find a spot, man. There's a spot
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: for a 6'2 dude who has explosive, violent athleticism.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Brother, I'm telling you, whatever sport we out here playing,
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: if Vince Sun say he want to play.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: He on deck.
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: You got a chance, right? You're going to get some reps.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: You're going to have the opportunity to show us what
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you can or cannot do.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: We can't.
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: Like, it's still so crazy to me. that Virginia Tech
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: did not offer Steph Curry or Seth A scholarship? Hey, man,
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: we're going to find out. We're going to find out.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: I like Seth Greenberg a lot. That's two balls that
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: you dropped. Every year, Seth Greenberg would be out here
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: talking about expanding the tournament to 96 games. You wouldn't
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: have had 96 teams. You wouldn't have had to do
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: that if you had just let... I know what people
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: are going to say when they hear me say this.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: If you would just engage in a little nepotism, your
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: whole career might have gone.
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: And look, that's the thing about it.
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I ain't think the idea of doing the Brody James
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: thing in the NBA, in the way that the Lakers
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: did it, I ain't think that was cool. But for USC,
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't have cared if he averaged half a point
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: a game in high school.
• 59:55
  Speaker 4: We'll give you a year. Yeah.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even think there's a conversation to
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: be had right there. Can he walk and chew gum?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: All right. There's something in there. Maybe we'll tap into it.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe not, but there's something in there that's worth trying.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: And that is Dominique Fosworth. Check him out on the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Dominique Fosworth show available.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: We're all fine. Podcast a given away for free. My brother.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: I appreciate you.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Appreciate you, sir.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: All right, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: us here on The Right Time. We do this three
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: times a week. Brian Brumley handles everything behind the scenes.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: Thank you, sir.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Remember, follow The Right Time. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us,
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: give us five stars. You only give us four stars.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And we'll
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: talk to you guys in a couple of days, and
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: we will resume our countdown on Monday.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 4: Take it easy.