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'Strange things happen in Test cricket - Harsha Bhogle analyses India's dominant victory over Australia in the 1st Test · The Follow-On

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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to another episode of Fox Sports Cricket
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Speaker 1: podcast The follow On. I'm coming to you from Perth
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Speaker 1: and today I'm delighted to be joined by renowned in
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Speaker 1: Indian journalist and broadcast to Hush and Bagley, a member
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Speaker 1: of the Fox Cricket family for a number of years
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Speaker 1: and no doubt an exceptionally happy man after what we've.
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Speaker 2: Witnessed in Perth over the last four days.
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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us today.
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Speaker 3: Who'd have thought that you'd be in Birth and I'd
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Speaker 3: be in Berth and we'd be doing this podcast at
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Speaker 3: the end of a Test match like that.
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Speaker 2: I left the left.
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Speaker 1: Perth Stadium last night, Hasha, and there were Indian fans
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Speaker 1: dancing outside with what is a fabulous stadium across the
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Speaker 1: Swan River. And I started walking up Adelaide Terrace and
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Speaker 1: women were weeping, men were hiding their face, Australian fans
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Speaker 1: demoralized by what we'd seen. Und followed over the four
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Speaker 1: days with just a fabulous performers from the Indian captain
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Speaker 1: leading from the front, Jasper Boom with eight wickets, and
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Speaker 1: we see a young starr in Giles while making a
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Speaker 1: fabulous century and the King rising again with another fabulous one.
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Speaker 2: Hundred in Australia.
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Speaker 1: What were your assisments of what unfolded over the four
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Speaker 1: days of Perth Sadium.
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Speaker 3: I must admit that all Indian fans were scarred by
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Speaker 3: what happened against New Zealand. We were aware, though, that
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Speaker 3: strange things happen in Test match cricket. Most times in
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Speaker 3: Test match cricket, if the conditions are normal, the better
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Speaker 3: side tends to win. But we're seeing unusual results. I
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Speaker 3: don't know if this is the manifestation of lesser patients,
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Speaker 3: more white ball influence on Test match cricket. We've been
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Speaker 3: talking about it for a while, but we're seeing some
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Speaker 3: results that are running contrary to form, and not just
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Speaker 3: the odd match here and there, three zero there. So
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Speaker 3: I thought, look, India will probably back better in Australia
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Speaker 3: than they would on those turners there. But I didn't
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Speaker 3: budget for the fact that Australia's top order would be
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Speaker 3: fragile too. I mean, the numbers were suggesting that the
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Speaker 3: top order was fragile, but in these conditions I didn't
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Speaker 3: expect it to be that much, I thought. But what
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Speaker 3: I loved was old fashioned Test match batting well as
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Speaker 3: Boomra board and I think Boomra opened the game evening
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Speaker 3: of day one. I thought the game really went away
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Speaker 3: from Australia with a combination of leave and defend leave
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Speaker 3: and defend knock a single, leave, defend knock a single
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Speaker 3: if you get a ball, let a four leave. Defend
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Speaker 3: that partnership of two hundred and one between yessb Jaswell
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Speaker 3: and gay Raul, I think that's what made the difference.
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Speaker 3: And ye look look on it's five Test matches, so
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Speaker 3: I don't think we can take a call on which
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Speaker 3: is the better team till we are headed to Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: At least.
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Speaker 1: We seen him score big, big hundreds at home and
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Speaker 1: obviously against that we see these as well on debut.
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Speaker 1: To produce that effort against what a lot of people
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Speaker 1: have said is preps the finest quarter head of Australian
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Speaker 1: bowlers in Cummons, Stark, Hazelwood, who I thought was particularly good.
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Speaker 1: He was certainly nicely even in the second inning, so
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Speaker 1: I wasn't leaking with it runs and Nathan Lyon took
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Speaker 1: a couple of wickets as the second and each went on.
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Speaker 1: But to produce that kind of effort when he walked
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Speaker 1: off the celebrations were wonderful, but you also saw the
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Speaker 1: admiration from the Perth crowd.
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Speaker 2: Husher. It's typically a.
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Speaker 1: Pretty tough crowd in Perth for domestic football for example,
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Speaker 1: but they love a winner and they love someone who
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Speaker 1: can bat like you know, can stand up to the Australians,
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Speaker 1: and he certainly did that.
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Speaker 3: Hey, what I've learned in all my many visits to
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Speaker 3: Australia is if you stand up to Australia and play
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Speaker 3: well against Australia, they don't resent it. They learn to
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Speaker 3: respect you. And so if you want Ozzie's to respect you,
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Speaker 3: then you stand up and do well on their turf.
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Speaker 3: And I could see the excitement they had towards seeing
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Speaker 3: this young kid, but there was just a little bit
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Speaker 3: of weight and see court and a little bit of
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Speaker 3: wait and see because for two reasons. One a lot
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Speaker 3: of his runs that come in India and it come
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Speaker 3: up from T twenty cricket. This is going to be
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Speaker 3: the future. You know, if you start to wait for
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Speaker 3: people to come from Shield cricket off and Bradjatra cricket
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Speaker 3: into international cricket, you'll wait a long time. The best
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Speaker 3: talent and you see how they're hitting a ball or
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Speaker 3: how largely for batters more than for bowlers. You'll see
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Speaker 3: them coming from T twenty and jess Well is a
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Speaker 3: ferocious T twenty player. He struggled in South Africa, so
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Speaker 3: I was a little care of little skeptical and then
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Speaker 3: you know that edge in the first innings. But I loved,
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Speaker 3: just love the way he adapted even in the home
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Speaker 3: series when the tracks were a little tricky, he was
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Speaker 3: showing great patience. So that that is what I enjoyed.
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Speaker 3: And when you see someone who who sort of shifts
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Speaker 3: or drift drifts really across formats and is able to
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Speaker 3: adapt to both, then you think you've got a special
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Speaker 3: player in your midst. I think we've got a special
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Speaker 3: player in young Yessbach as well.
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Speaker 2: Having a chat to Carry. Ok, if your on a
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Speaker 2: colleague yesterday.
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Speaker 3: You can't have a chat with Carry. You listen.
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Speaker 2: He's a man. He's very well researched as well. Is
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Speaker 2: he craized research man.
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Speaker 3: You look at Gerry and you think, oh, he knows
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Speaker 3: a game. Is a funny man. I'll tell you of
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Speaker 3: all the people I've worked with in these years, very
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Speaker 3: very few sittent research a game and watch a game
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Speaker 3: as closely as Kerry does. He gets he gets excited
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Speaker 3: watching India Under twelve's Junior Division West Wing City Suburbs
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Speaker 3: playing playing a cricket match. So he's fabulous company. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: sorry to interrupt, but when you say Kerry, there's so
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Speaker 3: many thoughts coming.
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Speaker 1: And he's fabulous company without a doubt. But he was
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Speaker 1: also very entertained watching the two openings. Who better than
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Speaker 1: exceptionally We'll have him watched at the NCJ. I'm thinking,
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Speaker 1: I cannot believe this is the same player as I
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Speaker 1: saw three weeks ago in Melbourne when he looked a
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Speaker 1: little confused, but he was saying he was sort of
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Speaker 1: watching Cole in occasion, trying to get a glimpse of
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Speaker 1: Colie and he thought the line would be licking.
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Speaker 2: His lips at what he saw unfold.
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Speaker 1: Knowing that this is a pitch with the Straim bowlers
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Speaker 1: starting to fatake, I might be faced on so prude,
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Speaker 1: How is that you means for safe make in India?
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Speaker 3: Very well? Everything that Coley does is showbiz. Everything that
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Speaker 3: Coley does is news. And the reason isn't just that
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Speaker 3: he's Instagram or he's whatever. When Coley is batting, well
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Speaker 3: and look, he's one of the great players of our generation.
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Speaker 3: When he is batting well, suddenly there's a feel good
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Speaker 3: factor around it. Everyone's thinking, oh wow, let me watch
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Speaker 3: what we'ret is up to. If we're not struggling, everyone's
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Speaker 3: watching to say, oh my god, we'll really come back
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Speaker 3: into form. So's he's like he's an eye magnet. Every
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Speaker 3: time Verreart comes and you watch and there was just
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Speaker 3: people starting to think, oh my god, is he coming
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Speaker 3: to the end. A lot will depend on this term,
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Speaker 3: but you know what it is we'reat comes to Australia
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Speaker 3: and it's almost as if he just sheds what he's
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Speaker 3: wearing and puts on what he likes and he enjoys
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Speaker 3: playing on these pitches. He would be the first though,
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Speaker 3: to go up to care Raoul and yes, yes, we
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Speaker 3: j as well, because they set it up for him.
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Speaker 3: And when the ball got a little softer, when they
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Speaker 3: tired a little bit. I know he came in around
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Speaker 3: the second new ball. He was around there too, but
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Speaker 3: by then the bowlers were tired, so his start was okay.
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Speaker 3: There After he had to do everything himself, and I
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Speaker 3: thought the last sixty seventy runs were just vintage s Coalie.
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Speaker 3: He looked in command. The single was there at his
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Speaker 3: at his beck and call, and he just seemed to
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Speaker 3: control things looking on the field. Okay, one year, two year, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I'll hit one there. This was Coally in command again.
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Speaker 3: And if you don't nick him off early's he showed
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Speaker 3: today that he's still still a major, major force.
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Speaker 1: Chapians, you don't like to see star players struggling, necessarily
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Speaker 1: because it was a very competitive sport and the price
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Speaker 1: of the state the body gave Scotch Trophy is one
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Speaker 1: of the sport's greatest trophies.
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Speaker 2: Indians watching minus.
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Speaker 1: Lavishane, both the fans and the actual side that's here
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Speaker 1: on our shores and leading one, how do you think
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Speaker 1: that'd be assessing Marnus's struggles and what do you think
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Speaker 1: happens with the talented number three who really is and
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Speaker 1: run about? I think every team thirtyteen from his last
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Speaker 1: ten test in East and that includes a ninety against
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Speaker 1: a New Zealand.
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Speaker 3: With very good players. You give them a long rope,
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Speaker 3: and there's enough from what we've seen in Marnus' career
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Speaker 3: to suggest that he's a very good player. So my
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Speaker 3: feeling is they'll probably stay with him till Brisbane and
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Speaker 3: they'll tell him we're giving you three tests. I know
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Speaker 3: it's a very good attack, but we're giving you three
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Speaker 3: Test matches and we'll see how you go from there,
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Speaker 3: and then maybe we'll take a call if you haven't
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Speaker 3: got runs for Melbourne off of Sydney. The interesting thing
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Speaker 3: with Australia, and this is something I didn't think I
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Speaker 3: would see when I first started coming here so many
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Speaker 3: years ago, is you always ask yourself the question, if
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Speaker 3: not X, then who. And I think Australian crickets grappling
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Speaker 3: with this issue at the moment. If not Smith, who,
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Speaker 3: if not Labusha and who? And we just tried playing
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Speaker 3: a game the other day and said, okay, take away
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Speaker 3: these eleven and form an Australian eleven and Australian eleven
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Speaker 3: of people who did not play this test matches but
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Speaker 3: test match. But who could challenge? And you could find
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Speaker 3: replacements with fast ballers. You could go Michael Nessa, you
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Speaker 3: could go Scott Poland, you could go Spencer Johnson. Maybe
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Speaker 3: you could go Todd Murphy. Maybe, so you had you
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Speaker 3: had some options that you've got Josh Inglisz, But who
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Speaker 3: are your top six batters. And I think that's another
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Speaker 3: reason why this set of Australian batters will get a
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Speaker 3: slightly longer rope, because there's no one there who's who's
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Speaker 3: knocking the door down. He's there, I mean, you know better,
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Speaker 3: But he says, someone who's knocking the door down? You
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Speaker 3: thought of Sam Constance, maybe Cameron Bancroft, maybe Marcus Harris maybe,
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Speaker 3: but is it a Steve Smith knocking the door down there?
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Speaker 1: Well, it's an interesting cha chat having discuss it with
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Speaker 1: some idea on an experts MA Mike Cassi is a
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Speaker 1: view that and understandably thirty one thirty two is not
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Speaker 1: too old. Hence Khim, you know, we think it's possible.
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Speaker 1: In line for Sri Lanka and his thirty three. He's
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Speaker 1: made quite a few run now.
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Speaker 3: You know. I saw I saw Peter Hanscomb bless beIN
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Speaker 3: in India and I thought he pleaded as well as anybody.
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Speaker 3: And then I think he had a very decent county
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Speaker 3: season in England. It was he playing at Leicester. I
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Speaker 3: think he might have been playing at Leicester? Was it
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Speaker 3: because I was I was following the scores? I don't
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Speaker 3: know exactly where and he seemed to be getting runs,
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Speaker 3: so Peter Hanscomb definitely could be an option, but I
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Speaker 3: don't know how he's doing in shield cricket.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting one.
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Speaker 1: The top ten and you look at the top ten
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Speaker 1: and that features McSweeney, English and Alex care at the
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Speaker 1: top who are in the Australian squad, and then the
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Speaker 1: next sort of three or so include Harris and Hanscomb
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Speaker 1: and Hilton Cartwright who has played Test a couple.
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Speaker 2: Of Tests back in twenty seventy eight.
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Speaker 1: So they tried and trud players who have had their
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Speaker 1: chances in the past and haven't quite cemented. We saw
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Speaker 1: Cameron Bancroft find some form, thankfully for him. We have
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Speaker 1: been having a horror run overnight. But we look to
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Speaker 1: the supposed to the Adelaie Test next the pink ball,
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Speaker 1: the challenges that presents day night, and it seems remarkable
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Speaker 1: to consider that it's possible that the Indian team may
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Speaker 1: have more changes having come off a record win on
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Speaker 1: Australian soil. In the Australian team, it is something that
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Speaker 1: India does like the horses for courses and picks teams
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Speaker 1: that can excel in conditions is that what you is
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Speaker 1: that how you assess this one coming up?
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Speaker 3: They have a lot of choices, this Indian team and
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Speaker 3: this selection panel has about thirty five forty players to
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Speaker 3: choose from. And you'd imagine that not just with the population,
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Speaker 3: but with the amount of young talented IPO is throwing
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Speaker 3: up and you look at the iPad. Jurel has spared
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Speaker 3: a lot of first class cricket, but he got the
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Speaker 3: eye in the IPL just well. Spared a lot of
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Speaker 3: first class cricket, scored a lot of runs, but suddenly
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Speaker 3: you enter the public consciousness with the IPL. So there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of players coming from there. And the two
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Speaker 3: new ones Knittish Reddy and Harshetrana I haven't played a
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Speaker 3: lot of first class cricket, but that is where they've
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Speaker 3: come from. So yes, they'd like to go horses for courses.
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Speaker 3: I think they were impressed with the with Nitish rending.
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Speaker 3: But once they go there, Royd Sharma will come back
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Speaker 3: and I see ker Raoul slotting back to what he
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Speaker 3: was told a year ago. I think he was told
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Speaker 3: a year ago restart life at this level at number
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Speaker 3: five or six, So he'll probably go back to six
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Speaker 3: slotting in just after the left handed punt, and Rowick
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Speaker 3: will come and join you. Jess Well, I think it
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Speaker 3: depends thereafter on whether uh schupman Gill's finger is healed.
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Speaker 3: If his finger is healed, and if he's had enough nets,
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Speaker 3: if he's had enough knocks, then he can come in.
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Speaker 3: So I see, unfortunately they have the particle and Drew
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Speaker 3: Durell going out over there. Then then have to take
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Speaker 3: a call on on Washington soon there decide. I mean,
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Speaker 3: I thought Hashetrana was impressive? Uh, maybe just those two,
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Speaker 3: Maybe just those two. If they think that it's nice
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Speaker 3: and hot, it's fairly dry, then maybe ushwin for Washington.
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Speaker 3: But that that's something they'll have to decide.
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Speaker 1: Both the Australian touch and Captain Andrew McDonald and Pat Cummins,
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Speaker 1: who quiz in the last couple of days sys to
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Speaker 1: whether or not someone like a Manas should go back
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Speaker 1: and play great cricket or should they consider featuring in
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Speaker 1: the game coming up in Canberra, the Australia a versus
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Speaker 1: India game. They both ruled that out. They said the
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Speaker 1: break will be great, they'll get into it a later
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Speaker 1: day earlier. But what about from an Indian perspective. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the n r A team we hear in McKay last month.
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Speaker 1: They were at the MCG for a four to a game.
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Speaker 1: They've excelled in Perth at the Whacker in training clearly
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Speaker 1: behind closed soores, but then produced a phenomenal performance at
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Speaker 1: Perth Stadium. What does Canberra offer. It's quite a little
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Speaker 1: fixture in between a tests. What what do do you
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Speaker 1: look for there?
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Speaker 3: He merily. India will look to see if routs Cherma
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Speaker 3: can get among the runs, if rout Cherma can bat
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Speaker 3: one hundred balls, one hundred and twenty balls, maybe so
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Speaker 3: that that would be objective number one. Objective number two
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Speaker 3: I don't know what the situation that how much. I
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Speaker 3: don't think he'll be arriving in time for that. But
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Speaker 3: objective number two will be to get the backup seemas
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Speaker 3: to tell the selectors I should be playing. And maybe
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Speaker 3: a long ball for Ushwin, a longish ball for Ushwan
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Speaker 3: because all the other batters have done all right, all
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Speaker 3: the other batters have come in the squad runs. Maybe
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a head for the shop bunt
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Speaker 3: as well, but primarily to see if Royd Chama is betting.
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Speaker 2: In you've been a busy man. In fact, I don't
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Speaker 2: think there's been a busier man.
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Speaker 1: And not only were you covering the test in Perth,
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Speaker 1: which provides us challenges when you've come from India and
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Speaker 1: timelines etc. But then to have the IPL auction over
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Speaker 1: the last two nights, last two nights, this meant some
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Speaker 1: talk from the Israelan camp. Daniel Vitty, the bowling coach,
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Speaker 1: was you know, based had to be part of that action,
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Speaker 1: understandably giving his role in India, but also you look,
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Speaker 1: you see teenagers go, thirteen year olds are picked up,
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Speaker 1: a couple of Australians and a record even in or
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Speaker 1: a record price for pay. It seemed like you had
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Speaker 1: everything happening in the IPO option.
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Speaker 3: It is, and I think we've slowly start to come
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Speaker 3: to terms with the capitalist nature of our sport. We
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Speaker 3: look at sport as we enjoy the amateur nature of
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Speaker 3: our sport. We like simple, hard working, struggling people playing sport,
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Speaker 3: and yet we are okay with English footballers, for example,
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Speaker 3: making a lot of money. We're okay with people in
15:27
Speaker 3: the movies making a lot of money. And I think
15:29
Speaker 3: we slowly start to understand that cricketers too are providing
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Speaker 3: entertainment and they're drawing in a lot of money the
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Speaker 3: IPL over two months, and Australia doesn't know a lot
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Speaker 3: about the IPL because it slipped through the middle of
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Speaker 3: the night. So I can understand why you look upon
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Speaker 3: it as as a big money tournament. It is an
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Speaker 3: astonishingly high quality of cricket. But also once you go
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Speaker 3: to the IPL, you're with the best coaches, You're surrounded
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Speaker 3: by the best players. So for example that there's just
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Speaker 3: to take a couple of Ozzie names, there's a Michael
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Speaker 3: Hussey who's with the staff at Chennai Super Kings. Now
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Speaker 3: I imagine there's a young kid, sixteen seventeen, eighteen year
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Speaker 3: old kid who's on the staff, not getting a game.
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Speaker 3: He's just watching Michaels, He's just watching all the others.
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Speaker 3: He's saying, can I spend half an hour with you?
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Speaker 3: Can you watch me bad? Brian Lara was there recently.
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Speaker 3: Ricky Ponting and Justin Langer are coaching. There were also
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Speaker 3: great coaches from all around the world, not just Australia,
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Speaker 3: and so it becomes a wonderful learning environment and that
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Speaker 3: is what makes the IPL big. The spectacle is something
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Speaker 3: else for two months every evening, India does nothing but
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Speaker 3: watch cricket and as a result, the television rights and
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Speaker 3: go for a lot of money. A lot of brands
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Speaker 3: believe that if we have to have a launch anytime
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Speaker 3: in March April May, we have to be on the IPL.
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Speaker 3: It's like the Super Bowl. Do you release your best
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Speaker 3: advertising on the Super Bowl? Yes, you do. You release
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Speaker 3: your best campaigns on the iples. So people actually create
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Speaker 3: advertising campaigns, marketing strategies all around the IPL. And so
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Speaker 3: the television rights is huge. I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 3: how many people in Australia followed that, but the current
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Speaker 3: television right cycle is six point two billion US dollars
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Speaker 3: over five years, and so there's a lot of money
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Speaker 3: going to the franchises. So the purses are getting bigger.
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Speaker 3: And if the purse gets bigger than the bunny you
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Speaker 3: have available to play to the players becomes bigger. So
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Speaker 3: I think, in our minds slowly and I'm having to
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Speaker 3: do it myself. We have to recalibrate what is a
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Speaker 3: good income for players?
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Speaker 1: What were you personal highlights and were there are a
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Speaker 1: couple of surprises for you from that option?
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Speaker 3: Yet there always are surprises because there are ten teams,
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Speaker 3: there's a limited amount of money. Everyone's done a lot
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Speaker 3: of research. A lot of us think they just sit
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Speaker 3: there and pick names out of I had. There's a
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Speaker 3: lot of research, a lot of simulation. They play out
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Speaker 3: garthsm They say, if I pick this guy, what's the
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Speaker 3: other guy likely to do? So, in spite of that,
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Speaker 3: with the dynamics of the auction, they will always be surprises.
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Speaker 3: I thought both Rischarp and Schurfs would go for a
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Speaker 3: lot of for a high price, did not expect that
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Speaker 3: it would go that high. So that was one surprise.
18:05
Speaker 3: Veggattishire heard hitting batter bowls a little bit even for
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Speaker 3: at least twice of what I thought he would, And
18:12
Speaker 3: that happens to one or two players every year. When
18:14
Speaker 3: that happens. You just called him up and said, enjoy,
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Speaker 3: enjoy this the fact that fate has smiled on you.
18:21
Speaker 3: I among the overseas players, because a lot of the
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Speaker 3: Indian players went for a lot of money. There wasn't
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Speaker 3: enough available on day two in the purse to be
18:30
Speaker 3: able to buy overseas players, so a lot of very
18:34
Speaker 3: good overseas players went for bargain prices. The one that
18:37
Speaker 3: surprised me was Jake frasermcgerg and I think it's a
18:42
Speaker 3: big punt on a young kid. If he does well,
18:45
Speaker 3: then you've got him for three years. But also he'd
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Speaker 3: have a lot of good coaches around him as soon
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Speaker 3: as he's picked. I can assure you right now the
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Speaker 3: team management and Deli would be in touch with him
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Speaker 3: saying what are you going to do over the next
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Speaker 3: three months. How can we make if you're a better
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Speaker 3: radio player when you come to India to play the IPO.
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Speaker 2: He's a young man in his prime.
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow is a November twenty seven is a day of
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Speaker 1: I suppose remembrance for Australian cricket and also and also
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Speaker 1: for cricket around the world. And it's it's the ten
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Speaker 1: year anniversary of the of the death of Philip Hughes,
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Speaker 1: who played twenty six Tests for Australia three centuries seven fifties.
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Speaker 1: There's mean lots of lovely words I suppose spoken and
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Speaker 1: written in the last couple of weeks in Australia because
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Speaker 1: he meant I think so much, but just in doing
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Speaker 1: a lot of reading. It was also the links to
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Speaker 1: some of the Indian champions and we talked about for
19:41
Speaker 1: at Kohli before and we know that he was there.
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Speaker 1: Ravi Shastri, who you're on air with Fox Cricket. He
19:47
Speaker 1: was also in attendancy in Maxville for Phillip's funeral. It
19:52
Speaker 1: was quite an extraordinary scene leading into the Bordagaviscar trophy.
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Speaker 3: Hair.
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Speaker 1: Philip was received in India and US by some of
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Speaker 1: the regulations there. If you're said that he made him
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and night and he had great respect,
20:05
Speaker 1: that they got on very well at a camp.
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Speaker 2: As young men.
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Speaker 1: How do you think this sort of anniversary will be
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Speaker 1: remembered in India or by the Indian.
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Speaker 3: Team or by anybody around the world. Courtney remembered with sadness,
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Speaker 3: remembered with the awareness of what can happen tomorrow, of
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Speaker 3: how life is just so fleeting. I think it changed
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Speaker 3: a lot of people. It changed, for example, the view
20:29
Speaker 3: of someone like Brendan McCallum who was playing a Test
20:31
Speaker 3: match far away in Charger and he said, what is
20:35
Speaker 3: life about? What is pressure? I think we play cricket
20:37
Speaker 3: to enjoy ourselves. I think it affected a lot of people.
20:40
Speaker 3: I can imagine it probably affected people here more. But
20:43
Speaker 3: you know our cricket community, for all the divisions within
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Speaker 3: our ranks and for all the fandom where we stand
20:50
Speaker 3: arried against each other, we are actually one giant community.
20:55
Speaker 3: And when something happens, everybody is there for everybody else.
20:58
Speaker 3: The outpouring of grief and then affection and love was
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Speaker 3: all over the world, and it wasn't just in our
21:05
Speaker 3: traditional cricket playing countries. Do you remember the photographs coding
21:08
Speaker 3: if people putting their bats out and they were unconnected,
21:11
Speaker 3: people just feeling like saying, one of us has moved on,
21:16
Speaker 3: and we want to show our affection for one of us,
21:18
Speaker 3: and so it's a beautiful thing. In grief, we saw
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Speaker 3: beauty and we realized that we are actually shown of
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Speaker 3: everything else. We are one giant community. It was I mean,
21:30
Speaker 3: it should not happen. It just cannot happen. But in
21:34
Speaker 3: India we tend to be a little more fatalistic and
21:38
Speaker 3: we say, if it's in your stars, what a pity,
21:41
Speaker 3: what a pity? I mean, I don't know where his
21:43
Speaker 3: career would have gone, but that is completely irrelevant. He
21:47
Speaker 3: was a young kid, happy in the private life. What
21:50
Speaker 3: did he want to do more than anything else, apart
21:52
Speaker 3: from maybe building a farm was to play cricket.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I appreciate your refling on that harsher just before
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Speaker 1: we let you Let you go and enjoy the rest
22:04
Speaker 1: of the fine day. In Western Australia, there's another series
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Speaker 1: about to start and you talked about Brendan mcallum there
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Speaker 1: the New Zealand sorry, the New Zealanders and the English coach.
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Speaker 1: And there's been a lot discussed about tactics and employees
22:18
Speaker 1: from England over the last couple of years in Test cricket.
22:21
Speaker 1: As India were being surprised at home not too far away,
22:26
Speaker 1: England was getting a great shock as well, or perhaps
22:29
Speaker 1: a reality checking in Test cricket. Now they head to
22:32
Speaker 1: New Zealand to play a series. How do you think
22:36
Speaker 1: that will unfold? Michael Vaughan, you your co commentator and
22:39
Speaker 1: other Fox from Get Expert, has said that he worries
22:41
Speaker 1: about their ability to adapt to games, that the baseball
22:45
Speaker 1: situation is too too far. You know, they need to
22:49
Speaker 1: be able to temper the tone, perhaps take the foot
22:51
Speaker 1: off the accele ot of times. What's your assessment of
22:53
Speaker 1: a this series just gone, but also what's to come
22:56
Speaker 1: for England in New Zealand and obviously with ramifications potentially
22:59
Speaker 1: for the World Tests shaping shit funnel.
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Speaker 3: There is one place England should adapt to seamlessly. You'd
23:06
Speaker 3: believe it is New Zealand because it'd be a little
23:10
Speaker 3: it won't be as hot as anywhere else. There'd be
23:13
Speaker 3: a little bit of seam nip swinging around in the wickets.
23:16
Speaker 3: So you'd imagine if there was, if you had, if
23:19
Speaker 3: you had to replicate England, far far far away from home,
23:22
Speaker 3: the closest you would come is New Zealand. I can
23:26
Speaker 3: see what Brendan McCollum is doing, and I can see
23:28
Speaker 3: why cricket has become so I catching in the manner
23:31
Speaker 3: they're playing it. But eventually you play cricket match to win.
23:34
Speaker 3: And one of the great things about Test match cricket,
23:37
Speaker 3: and that's the reason we're all we're all pilgrims almost
23:41
Speaker 3: we all go out and search for the temple that
23:42
Speaker 3: our Test cricket is, is that you learn to play
23:45
Speaker 3: in different situations. Some days life throws a curveball at you.
23:50
Speaker 3: You don't just back up and go and jump off
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Speaker 3: a cliff. You say, right, the life's thrown a curveball
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Speaker 3: at me, What do I do now? Cricket is about
23:56
Speaker 3: that all the time. Oh, the conditions are favoring the bowlders,
23:58
Speaker 3: what do I do now? Because if eventually I've scored
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Speaker 3: enough runs to win, if the approach is I will
24:04
Speaker 3: take the aggressive approach and throw the bowlers off, so
24:06
Speaker 3: be it. But Test cricket is all about adapting to
24:10
Speaker 3: the conditions, exactly what we saw at Perth with Jay
24:12
Speaker 3: swallen Raul and what we saw with Boomera with the
24:15
Speaker 3: lens that he was bowling. So I'd like to see
24:17
Speaker 3: that because I think I think England are exciting, but
24:21
Speaker 3: I think they let themselves down sometimes in their sheer
24:24
Speaker 3: urge to be aggressive. It's a very thin line between
24:27
Speaker 3: being aggressive and reckless. Sometimes. I got the feeling in
24:30
Speaker 3: India when they came across that maybe they were just
24:33
Speaker 3: being carried away by the approach rather than by the
24:38
Speaker 3: eventual endeavor, which is to win a game. So but
24:41
Speaker 3: haank on. They're making cricket wonderful to watch, so you
24:44
Speaker 3: never know. I would like to see them adapt. I'd
24:46
Speaker 3: like to see them grind sometimes because that is what
24:49
Speaker 3: Test cricket is is really about eventually, and.
24:53
Speaker 1: You see on the show the two Test series East
24:55
Speaker 1: Australia in late February March that were exceptionally competitive, that
24:58
Speaker 1: were very very tight, and that we're very tough in
25:02
Speaker 1: India as well. Good cricket can be just watching tough
25:06
Speaker 1: teams test great opposition.
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Speaker 3: I have nothing but the highest admiration for the way
25:13
Speaker 3: New Zealand plays sport play cricket. I don't follow rugby
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Speaker 3: as much, but I've loved the way they play cricket
25:19
Speaker 3: because they are a team with very few resources. How
25:22
Speaker 3: many players are available to play for New Zealand and
25:24
Speaker 3: so at all times they must make the most of
25:26
Speaker 3: what they have. And I look at them and I
25:28
Speaker 3: see simple, humble, hardworking people trying to give off their
25:32
Speaker 3: best and that is an admirable way to live life.
25:35
Speaker 3: And that's why I have enormous admiration for the way
25:37
Speaker 3: New Zealand play cricket. They just hang in there. They
25:40
Speaker 3: won't give you an easy game. I mean, at the
25:43
Speaker 3: end of the game, they show you a lot of respect.
25:45
Speaker 3: They seem to be good, decent, hardworking people. So they're
25:50
Speaker 3: always liked New Zealand players. How that translates into how
25:53
Speaker 3: they play I don't know what I think it should
25:56
Speaker 3: be a close series. I think England should genuinely believe
25:59
Speaker 3: that they can go there a minute.
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Speaker 1: Look, I have to say thank you so much Asha
26:03
Speaker 1: for joining us today on the follow on. Your insights
26:06
Speaker 1: have been invaluable. It's been fascinated to listen to you
26:09
Speaker 1: through the first Test in Perth to provide us great
26:12
Speaker 1: insights into what's going on in Indian cricket. A lot
26:15
Speaker 1: more to come this summer, four more Tests, an Australia game.
26:18
Speaker 1: We have the Indian women arriving for a one day
26:20
Speaker 1: series against the Australian Women early in December as well.
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Speaker 2: So much look forward to. But thanks so much for
26:26
Speaker 2: your time.
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Speaker 3: As always, Jes goodly