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Understanding the Crowdstrike Conspiracy · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Wait, I'm a check. Both get your things. Wait the adults.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy The Show. I'm Adam Todd Brown,
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  Speaker 2: I'm Olivia Heidar, and we are your hosts for the
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  Speaker 2: next two weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we recorded him out of order.
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  Speaker 2: We just we just recorded a doozy of an episode
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  Speaker 2: that's going up next week.
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  Speaker 3: True, it's like memento. You can listen to them backwards
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  Speaker 3: and get the full picture exactly. But today we're we're
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  Speaker 3: talking about some timely news. Yes, this is ripped from
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  Speaker 1: In order style.
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  Speaker 2: Hell.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, callis dick Wolf. Yeah, we are the dick Wolf
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  Speaker 1: of podcast.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking about the two conspiracy theories that are at
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  Speaker 2: the heart of Trump's impeachment trial.
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  Speaker 1: And I have in the notes. So fun. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a really good time. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of lots of very like normal things all happening
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  Speaker 3: throughout the throughout this entire us mess of everything. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's been a good run. It's been a good run
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  Speaker 3: since two k sixteen. I've just been having the time
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  Speaker 3: of my life, hasn't everyone. I mean, it's been so
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure is.
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  Speaker 4: So.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about people have been asking me to
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  Speaker 2: do some sort of impeachment episode, and it's like covering
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  Speaker 2: the actual impeachment trial. It's like how many different people
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  Speaker 2: you want to hear say the same thing? Right, There's
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  Speaker 2: really not a lot of interesting details in the impeachment trial,
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  Speaker 2: Like there's different people saying Yep, he did this.
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  Speaker 1: Also, would I don't know that.
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  Speaker 3: Would that be part of the Would that be appropriate
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  Speaker 3: for the conspiracy show?
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  Speaker 1: No, it wouldn't.
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  Speaker 2: But it also from an entertainment standpoint, wouldn't be appropriate
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  Speaker 2: for any show.
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  Speaker 1: If it would just be not super entertaining, really boring.
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  Speaker 2: But there are two conspiracy theories, if that's what you
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  Speaker 2: want to call it, that the entire thing sort of
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  Speaker 2: centers around, and we're going to talk about those and
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  Speaker 2: about whether there's any credence to either of them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: kind of the foundational right and the there's only one
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  Speaker 2: that's ever really called a conspiracy, and that's crowd Strike, okay,
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  Speaker 2: which is the one we'll talk about first. The other
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  Speaker 2: one is Barisma, but related, Yeah, they are, they are
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  Speaker 2: definitely related. Crowd Strike the basic premise is this The
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixteen hacking of the DNC was a setup perpetrated
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  Speaker 2: with help from Ukraine to fabricate computer records to frame
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  Speaker 2: Russia for the hack, which probably not.
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  Speaker 3: No, I mean that sounds like a lot of effort.
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  Speaker 3: It's a whole lot of work to lose, yes, which
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  Speaker 3: is where like so like this whole this is kind
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  Speaker 3: of one of those This is one of the items
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  Speaker 3: that is at the heart of the whole. The DNC
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  Speaker 3: colluded to hack the election in favor of Hillary Clinton.
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  Speaker 3: The thing that has always struck me about that theory
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  Speaker 3: is that Hillary Clinton lost that election, so.
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  Speaker 2: Right it it became pretty apparent that Trump was just
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  Speaker 2: going to keep that suggestion in his back pocket, right
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  Speaker 2: in case he lost.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Which I love.
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  Speaker 2: That in light of stuff like that, there are still
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  Speaker 2: people in twenty twenty who are like Trump didn't even
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  Speaker 2: want to be pressed.
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  Speaker 1: He really fucking wanted to be pressed. He wanted to win, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and that's his whole thing, and he did.
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  Speaker 2: And the fact that he wants to win again in
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty is at the heart, yeah, of what's happening here.
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  Speaker 3: I think, and I think the idea of him wanting
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  Speaker 3: to win the presidency is a separate issue from the
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  Speaker 3: idea of him wanting.
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  Speaker 1: To have the job of president. Right.
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  Speaker 3: I think he obviously is not very interested in the
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  Speaker 3: job of president, as has been evidenced by how he
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  Speaker 3: treats those jobs very casually.
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  Speaker 1: I think we could say it's one way to put it.
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  Speaker 3: But the fact that he wants he wants desperately to
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  Speaker 3: win the election though, like that is the most important
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  Speaker 3: thing to him, right, and he might yeah, he probably will.
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  Speaker 2: But so crowd Strike, it's a conspiracy that Trump has
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  Speaker 2: been tossing around since at least twenty seventeen. Yeah, that's
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  Speaker 2: when he told the Associated Press that he didn't trust
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  Speaker 2: crowd strike and that he quote heard its owned by
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  Speaker 2: a very rich Ukrainian.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which it's not. No, No.
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  Speaker 2: This story came back to life when the Trump administration
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  Speaker 2: tried to defend itself from allegations of wrongdoing, like the
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  Speaker 2: allegations at the heart of the impeachment, by releasing a
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  Speaker 2: transcript of a call Trump had with Ukrainian President Wilodimir Zelenski.
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  Speaker 2: And this move was vintage Trump for starters. The title
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  Speaker 2: of the document let me just boy, so you can
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  Speaker 2: see this live and in person. The title of the document,
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  Speaker 2: as released by the fucking White House is just the
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  Speaker 2: word transcript with three, count them, three exclamation points at
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  Speaker 2: the end.
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  Speaker 1: Our world is so stupid. That is right off the
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  Speaker 1: bat Trump as oh yeah, though absolutely this will thing
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  Speaker 1: is yeah and second, not a transcript. No.
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  Speaker 2: In the Fine prince a memo of the document itself,
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  Speaker 2: it's made clear that it's quote not a verbatim transcript
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  Speaker 2: of a discussion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so, uh, that's what a transcript is. Verbatim is
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  Speaker 3: a redundant term.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know if I'm being too sensitive here,
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  Speaker 2: but I feel like the title is a little misleading. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: the transcript, especially with the three exclamation point.
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  Speaker 3: That really sells me. Yeah, it's veracity, And unfortunately it
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  Speaker 3: did sell a bunch of people on seriousness.
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  Speaker 2: It did, which is insane because it actually kind of
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  Speaker 2: made matters worse because it's just one of a number
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  Speaker 2: of examples of either Trump or people in his administration.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to play a really great video from Oh
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  Speaker 2: my God.
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  Speaker 1: That video is so He's the We'll get to just
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  Speaker 1: like they've admitted this several times in public and in
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  Speaker 1: this memo. Is one of the places where they admitted it.
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  Speaker 1: But here's the part of the memo where things get conspiratorial.
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  Speaker 1: This is a quote.
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  Speaker 2: I would like you to find out what happened with
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  Speaker 2: this whole situation with Ukraine. They say CrowdStrike. I guess
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  Speaker 2: you have one of your wealthy people the server. They
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  Speaker 2: say Ukraine has it. That sounds like Trump to me.
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  Speaker 1: That is what he talks like. So who the fuck
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  Speaker 1: is crowd Strike?
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  Speaker 2: They are an American company hired by the DNCAH to
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  Speaker 2: find and remove the hackers responsible for the twenty sixteen
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  Speaker 2: breach of DNC.
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  Speaker 1: Servers, the whole emails right.
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  Speaker 2: They were the first to produce evidence that Russia was
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  Speaker 2: responsible for the DNC hack, And like I said, he's
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  Speaker 2: been bringing them up since twenty seventeen. Says they're owned
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  Speaker 2: by a very rich Ukrainian.
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  Speaker 1: They're not.
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  Speaker 2: It's a US firm. He's based in California.
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  Speaker 3: Well, whenever you can say that Trump said that he
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  Speaker 3: heard something, you know that that is oh obvious lie.
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  Speaker 3: That's his favorite lie cover up phrase. I heard this, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: like a two year old.
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  Speaker 2: One of my favorite details of that DNC hack is
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  Speaker 2: how it happened. Like John Podesta just replied, to an
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  Speaker 2: email that he shouldn't have because he's old and dumb
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  Speaker 2: at computers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeap, like everyone else in the government.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, man, don't give Like the government should be
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  Speaker 2: run on paper, Like there should be no computers in government.
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  Speaker 2: None of our infrastructure should be run by computers. I
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  Speaker 2: don't care if we have toddlers turning cranks. Yeah, just
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  Speaker 2: a card catalog, yeah, any of that, Yeah, perfectly fine.
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  Speaker 2: But uh, there is a theory among right wingers. They
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  Speaker 2: argue that CrowdStrike finder Dmitri Alperovich was somehow compromised by
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  Speaker 2: Ukrainian businessman Victor Pinchuk, who was a donor to the
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  Speaker 2: Atlantic Council, which is a think tank that Alperovich was
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  Speaker 2: part of in twenty sixteen. And sure, yeah, people get
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  Speaker 2: comfort all the time. But also Victor Pinchick donated one
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  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars to the Trump Foundation in
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, So the odds of him a scant few
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  Speaker 2: months later, right, deciding to frame somehow frame Trump or
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  Speaker 2: the who knows.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: It makes me feel dumber, just like contemplating it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that that's the thing. This is like people
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  Speaker 2: listening to this podcast. You know me, I'm very open
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  Speaker 2: to hearing your arguments for any conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like I'm I'm an O.
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  Speaker 2: I'm very open to the possibility that conspiracy theories happened. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: I believe I believe in several Yeah this is bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is easily proven false. It is funny.
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  Speaker 3: Like I was just thinking, like, man, every time I
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  Speaker 3: come on here, I feel like I have to talk
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  Speaker 3: about some shit that is just so blatantly not even
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  Speaker 3: plausible that I feel bad for like feeling like a
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  Speaker 3: naysayer because I you know, I also, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: not one to like trust the government. I'm not one
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  Speaker 3: to you know, put my faith in a lot of
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  Speaker 3: these institutions that are not have not earned trust. But like, also,
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  Speaker 3: you know who else hasn't earned my trust? Donald Trump?
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  Speaker 3: He is the least trustworthy person in the country.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm by no means a Joe Biden guy.
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  Speaker 1: Oh absolutely not. I don't want Joe Biden to be
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  Speaker 1: our next president.
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  Speaker 3: The fact that he is continually a front runner makes
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  Speaker 3: me so deeply, deeply sad, right, just on a pure
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  Speaker 3: like existential level.
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  Speaker 2: So we have that on the record. Yes, we are
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  Speaker 2: not Joe Biden's supporters.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 2: That said, the allegations made against Joe Biden and Hunter
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  Speaker 2: Biden and against CrowdStrike are all things that countless people
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  Speaker 2: time and time again have refere feuded in so many
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  Speaker 2: different ways. And when it comes to crowd strike, the
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  Speaker 2: idea that they somehow collaborated with Ukraine to pull off
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  Speaker 2: this Russian this hacking of the DNC servers, there's so
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  Speaker 2: much more evidence that doesn't involve crowd strike right at
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  Speaker 2: all that implicates Russia.
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  Speaker 1: So it's it's.
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  Speaker 3: It's just the thread that people with an agenda come
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  Speaker 3: in and pick as right and can find just enough
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  Speaker 3: of a gap in that they can squeeze their nefarious
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  Speaker 3: agenda in there, like you know, like can squeeze their
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  Speaker 3: own ideas of like this is what really went.
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  Speaker 2: Down, and just some of the details of this that
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  Speaker 2: have been disproven. What about that missing server, Yeah, there
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  Speaker 2: is no missing server. The country of Ukraine did not
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  Speaker 2: take one server and hide it deep within the bowels
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  Speaker 2: of their infrastructure. That's not how computers work. The DNC
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  Speaker 2: had something like one hundred servers, right, and the FBI
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  Speaker 2: has a digital image of those servers, which is all
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  Speaker 2: you need.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like it it's.
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  Speaker 3: Not like the physical server is hiding any anything. It's
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  Speaker 3: already information that's on it that you need, right.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's like implying that hacking into someone's like Google
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  Speaker 2: Drive account wouldn't be enough. You'd have to you'd have
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  Speaker 2: to have the building right where that server is.
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  Speaker 1: How is to really get to the root.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no, this is the cloud, baby, Like it's
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  Speaker 2: all like the FBI has seen what's on these servers. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and there is no evidence that Ukraine had anything to
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  Speaker 2: do with hacking the DNC.
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  Speaker 3: And like whether or not you trust the FBI is
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  Speaker 3: a separate issue. I mean, like I get it, but
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  Speaker 3: like you know, when there's enough overwhelming evidence at a
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  Speaker 3: certain point, you kind of have.
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  Speaker 4: To And.
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  Speaker 2: Even on that count, the thing about trusting the FBI,
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  Speaker 2: Like do I trust the FBI in this case where
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  Speaker 2: they're saying we've seen Hillary Clinton servers in the DNC
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  Speaker 2: servers and there's nothing that shady on them. I do
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  Speaker 2: kind of trust that because this is the same FBI
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  Speaker 2: that two fucking days before the election was like we're
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  Speaker 2: investigating Hillary Clinton again because of those emails. So like
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  Speaker 2: they've looked into it. Yeah, and it probably cost her
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  Speaker 2: the election.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, this is one of the main, one of the
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  Speaker 1: big things. But so yeah, in that case, I guess
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  Speaker 1: I in general, no, I don't trust most authority, and
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  Speaker 1: I don't trust my fucking landlord. I mean you should
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  Speaker 1: never trust your landlord.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, I mean I don't. In this case,
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  Speaker 1: I guess I'm willing to give them the benefit of
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  Speaker 1: the doubt. It seems like there's enough evidence here, right.
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  Speaker 2: The other thing that people bring up as being potentially
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  Speaker 2: shady about this is why was some company doing the investigation?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this is just people who are ignorant, just
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  Speaker 3: don't know how these things work, just pretending to be experts,
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  Speaker 3: right when there's a situation like this, what CrowdStrike is.
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  Speaker 3: CrowdStrike is what they call an incident response group, meaning
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  Speaker 3: you run a system of computers with very important information
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  Speaker 3: on them.
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  Speaker 1: Someone's hacked into your shit. They are like the ghostbusters
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  Speaker 1: of it.
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  Speaker 3: There's there, there's security personnel there. They're people who investigate
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  Speaker 3: these things for companies, right, and it's easier for the
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  Speaker 3: FBI to contract with them instead of doing that investigation themselves.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: The thing is the FBI can do an investigation like that.
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  Speaker 2: But why would they when any other almost any I
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  Speaker 2: T firm is capable of conducting an investigation like this
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  Speaker 2: and then the FBI takes it from there.
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  Speaker 1: The I T Department can't enforce.
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  Speaker 3: Them, right, they're not busting down warrants, the not collecting
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  Speaker 3: the servers, you know, they're just they are just doing
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  Speaker 3: number crunching and basically like combing through and like taking
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  Speaker 3: out the debt and copying and it's not it's all
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  Speaker 3: very technical, you know, I don't even I'm no computer expert,
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  Speaker 3: but like I know that. That's how you know. You
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  Speaker 3: you hire companies who their job is to do that
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  Speaker 3: stuff instead of the FBI dedicating time and man hours.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, if you can learn to do it at DeVry,
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  Speaker 1: the FBI doesn't need to be involved, like they can
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  Speaker 1: skip that step and then you just pass along whatever
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  Speaker 1: information you find.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what happened here. CrowdStrike did the initial investigation
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  Speaker 2: and then pass that.
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  Speaker 1: Shit off to the FBI.
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  Speaker 5: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: Why does it matter for impeachment though? Why do all
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  Speaker 2: these liberal cuts Olivia?
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  Speaker 1: I know, I am a liberal cook.
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  Speaker 2: Why do they think Trump withheld aid to Ukraine until
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  Speaker 2: they agreed to investigate this because that that is the
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  Speaker 2: allegation here.
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  Speaker 3: That's called a quid pro quo. Not cool, no bad, illegal,
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  Speaker 3: highly illegal.
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  Speaker 2: And here's the thing, why do the Libs believe this
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  Speaker 2: is what Trump did. It's for no other reason than
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  Speaker 2: because the acting White House Chief of Staff said exactly
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  Speaker 2: those words in front of a television audience. And we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna listen to that right now.
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  Speaker 3: Mick mulvaney is one of the dumbest characters in this
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  Speaker 3: entire parade.
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  Speaker 2: I'll link to this video on the website. It is shocking.
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  Speaker 2: It's stupidity is shocking. The physical performance is really important.
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  Speaker 1: He has really caught off guard when they suggest that
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  Speaker 1: what he's saying is illegal, He or in any way
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  Speaker 1: a problem.
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  Speaker 3: He looks like he was cursed to always tell the
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  Speaker 3: truth liar liar style and has just figured it out.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the first day every time that he's
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  Speaker 1: on TV. Right, let's listen to this is Mick mulvaney.
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  Speaker 6: Mention to me in the past the corruption related to
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  Speaker 6: the DNC server, Absolutely no question about that. But that's it,
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  Speaker 6: and that's why we held up the money. Now, there
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  Speaker 6: was a report string out man.
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  Speaker 4: For an investigation into the Democrats was part of the
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  Speaker 4: reason that he it was on to withhold funding to.
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  Speaker 6: The look back to what happened in twenty sixteen certainly
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  Speaker 6: was part of the thing that he was worried about
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  Speaker 6: in corruption with that nation. Then that is absolutely approble
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  Speaker 6: in the funding.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, clear, just described as a quick pro quoe. Funding
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  Speaker 4: will not flow unless the investigation.
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  Speaker 1: He looks sad funded like I've happened as well, we do.
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  Speaker 1: We do that all the time.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he says, really upset with the political influence in
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  Speaker 6: foreign policy.
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  Speaker 2: So he has sense backtracked on those words. Oh really, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's like, you got to try and take it back.
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  Speaker 1: Too bad. You were on television, Like he is one
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  Speaker 1: hundred percent admitting, yeah, that the president did what he's
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  Speaker 1: accused him. We do it all the time, all the times.
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  Speaker 1: That's what we do. We're a mob presidency.
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  Speaker 2: Which that part is so insane, like that should be
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  Speaker 2: like he should have just been impeached right then and
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  Speaker 2: there exactly, Like there should be some alternate route where
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  Speaker 2: evidence is that clear. Yeah, all right, let's say, well,
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  Speaker 2: you're you get a golden ticket to Hollywood. You're moving
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  Speaker 2: on without having to compete in the rest of the competition.
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  Speaker 1: We will see you in the finals. President Trump, he would.
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  Speaker 3: Still have a perfectly fine career if he didn't go
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  Speaker 3: to prison. Oh yeah, I die that he would go
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  Speaker 3: to prison.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably not. I I kind of hope that there's somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: It's somewhere. Ben suggested that he won't go to prison
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  Speaker 1: after he leaves office, because otherwise he's never going to
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  Speaker 1: leave office. Right, he will die in office, and then
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  Speaker 1: his kids will take up the mantle.
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  Speaker 3: We'll be dealing with God Emperor Baron Trump in a giant,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: fucking kid worm suit.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Weirdly, this was all really good for crowdstrikes stock crisis.
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Oh I love capitalism. Oh yeah.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: When Adam Schiff kicked off the impeachment hearings by referring
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: to quote the discredited twenty sixteen crowd strike conspiracy theory,
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: stock shot up eleven percent.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Great, which I guess stands to reason.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, sure, if there were people out there on
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: the fence about whether CrowdStrike was involved in all this.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I don't know that that good for them,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, I mean fuck them. Yeah, I was
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: really I was really worried that they were gonna go
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: under and you know I've been so right.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: So many jobs would strike brand that shadowy group of
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: twelve fucking hackers in.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: A room in California somewhere.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: I mean, like CrowdStrike is in the objectively sinister Yeah.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: If you don't want to wind up in conspiracy theory,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: maybe changed that name, yeah a little bit.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: How about crowd help yeah, or I.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Don't know, Internet security technologies associates like just go fucking Bland,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: fucking Tony's computers.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Anything but crowds CrowdStrike. It's the crowd strike. Like I
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: certainly want this to be some evil organization. I don't
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: want like that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: I don't want a crowd that I am in to
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: be struck true, But like like Blackwater.
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they had a scary name, a scary, scary, very
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: scary company. But CrowdStrike has the really scary name. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: then just some I T pros. I mean, I mean
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: they were hired by the d n C. Yeah, I
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: mean I don't know, so they must do something right
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: or wrong, bunch of black hats.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Probably Chris Smsworth is in there. So where did this
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: theory originate? I put that in here because the really
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: popular claim is that it started with Russia, but that's
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: not actually true. It's a little more complicated than that.
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: As pointed out by the Atlantic, the theory that Ukraine
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: interfered on behalf of Hillary Clinton started in twenty sixteen
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine with a newspaper article that was published in
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: that country. And the reason it starts there I think
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: we cover this a little more later in the episode.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: But that article mentioned this black ledger that had all
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: of these payments to Paul Manifort, right, twelve point seven
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: million dollars. And when Trump and his clan say that
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: Ukraine interfered in our election to try and get Hillary
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: Clinton elected, that's all they mean. Yeah, all they're saying is, well,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: they leaked damaging information about Paul Manifort and it might
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: have made Trump look bad, and they're interfering in our election.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: Like what I love?
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: That is not the same thing.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: I love the idea though, what a what a lovely
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: fanta sea Land that after everything that Trump has said
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: and done in public on camera, that the thing that
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: might make him look bad that he's worried about is
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: something from like one of his campaign managers, right, Like
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: who gives a ship buddy you don't care if that
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: could have come out and it.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Would have done nothing to his campaign.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: At a spy like our top fucking military guy for
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: a while, dude, Like this is kind of minor. Yeah,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: it's very I mean, like Paul Manifort went to jail, right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: But I mean no, he's a bad person, like Paul
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Manford is a bad guy.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I just don't think that I have It's just so
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: wild to me.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: To think that that ledger coming out could have negatively
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: affected Trump's campaign at all, because no fucking way, that's
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: the like, because I feel like that's a thing that
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: in his over you know, over the time of history,
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: will get lost about twenty sixteen is how it just
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: kept escalating and how nothing could stick to him. Ever,
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: it's one of the most bizarre a sents that you've
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: ever seen in politics. Like literally scandals that would have
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: ruined every.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Single other person, just people running for president, like yeah,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: just people studio executive. Yeah, scandals came out.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: Things that would ruin every single other candidate who has
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: ever run for president.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Like if Billy Bush was the one saying grab him
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: by the pussy.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah, oh my god, it would have been It would
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: have been to be homeless, right, it would have ended. Yeah, well,
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: and like and if you know, if he had said,
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: if Billy Bush had said that on a tape with
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: like Barack Obama nearby, it would have ruined Kupama's political career,
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: even if he didn't say it, like you know what
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: I mean, Like that's how nothing much nothing was sticking.
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: And just the idea that this thing, this Paul Mannaford
• 24:11
  Speaker 7: think that though that was.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That that was Ukraine being bad.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: That that could have changed everything is so funny to me.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Right, And so that's kind of like there's all these
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Russian disinformation groups out there. One of the big ones
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: is called the Internet Research Agency, and a few months
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: after that article came out, they kind of latched onto
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: the theory and started spreading it. And that's where the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: idea that it's a Russian born conspiracy comes from. But again,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: as this Atlantic article that I'll link to points out,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: the people really responsible for spreading this conspiracy.
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: Theory is the American right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like they're the ones who are crediting this the
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: most because it at least attempts to and because.
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Their brains are broken and these sorts of things just
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: appeal to them, Like, they'll believe any sort of conspiracy
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: theory as long as it fits within their Like, it
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: doesn't even have to fit within their worldview. It just
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: has to rhyme with it enough that they can latch
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: onto it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: And the Atlantic says it's the American far right, but
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: I would just argue just the.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Right like Republicans.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: No, yes, mainstream Republicanism is extremely far right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Like that has it's been brought up by like in
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the impeachment hearings. Yeah, still several times, even though it's
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: been discredited.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, over and over.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: So that's that's crowd strike. Yeah.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: The other conspiracy theory, and I put conspiracy in quotes
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: here because it's never really referred to as a conspiracy theory.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: But this is there more important of the two.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: This is the one that led to the quid pro
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: quo right phone call.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And it involves a company called Barisma Holdings. And even
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: if there's no wrongdoing on the part of the Biden's right,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: it is weird that Hunter Biden was on the board
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: of this company, the largest oil and gas extracting company
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: In twenty fourteen, Hunter Biden joins their board right, a
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: couple months after getting kicked out of the Navy for
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: doing coked Yeah, which that's fine.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I mean sure, you know.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: The thing about this whole thing is, yeah, it's weird
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: that he's on there, but it does seem like a
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: pretty standard case of Washington nepotism, right, Like the vice
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: president's kid is never going to struggle to find some
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: cushy job, right.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: And the reason it it's kind of conflict of interest,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: y is Joe Biden was the Obama administration's like point
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: person when it came to Ukraine. Right, So the fact
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: that Hunter Biden got this job in Ukraine after being
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: kicked out of the Navy, it does seem like there
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: could be like he might have pulled some strings to
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: get him absolute job. It's not great, and it could
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: have just as easily been this company in Ukraine, which,
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: as we'll talk about, was under investigation a whole bunch.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: It could have been them who was like, well maybe
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: if we hire Hunter Biden, that's going to like keep
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the heat off us as it pertains to the Obama administration.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: But either way, he gets this job at Bisma in
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, and that's kind of the that's the starting point.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I guess he gets this job. The founder of Beisma
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: is a man named Mikola Zlotyszewsky, and he has been
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: investigated multiple times over allegations, specifically allegations that he procured
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: the money to start Beisma Holdings through crime, which, if
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: that's true, do the responsible thing and record a rap
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: album as long as you document it in an entertaining way,
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: We're always very accepting of that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: I'm surprised more of these shifty big business capitalists don't
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: do that sort of thing.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be purpose out.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Just do a fucking wrap in the reps, talk about
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: how much you're.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Career, talk about how you sold drugs to start your company.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Exactly, and that would be a hit album. If the
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: beat is sick, I might like it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: The beat's gotta be sick. It's got to be that
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: corporate money, I mean exactly. They'll be able to pay
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: the best producers, right, get DJ Kuala in there.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: So the thing is, no investigation has ever turned up
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: any crimes, and that includes a massive UK investigation in
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen that concluded none of the evidence and this
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: is a quote establishes reasonable grounds for a belief that
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: his assets were unlawfully acquired as a result of misconduct
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: in public office. Again, this all happens right around the
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: time Hunter Biden joins the board, and in two August
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen, Ukraine opens their own investigation into Slovechesky. I
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: want to know what this guys, Like, Yeah, he's gotta
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: be a real fucking carrotter, Like.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Just I'm just picturing like just a real like creep
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: you just cannot trust, right, Like he might not be
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: a bad person, but like there's just something about him
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: where you're just like.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. How do you get
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: that money? No one knows. You got to investigate. Yeah,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: but Ukraine investigates. Yeah, they don't find anything.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is like still twenty fourteen basically, right,
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So all of the by all accounts, and we'll get
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: dig into it a little more later, all of the
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: investigations into Barisma. By twenty sixteen, we're pretty much dead.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: And that's very important, yeah, or it will become important later.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: But in later in twenty fourteen, going back to then,
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Ukraine passes a law establishing the National Anti Corruption Bureau,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: and both the United States and Europe require the Ukrainian
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: government to fund it in exchange for aid, which if
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: you're are sitting at home thinking, well, that sounds like
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: a quid pro quo.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Also, it's not. No, it's us saying you need to.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Crack down on corruption in a country or we're not
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: going to give you aid. Like, right, that's a standard thing,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: and so it's very.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Not specific, right, Like, that's like I think one of
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: the key differences.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Right, you're not it's not about one specific thing.
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: It's just like you've got a lot of corruption going on,
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: you should crack down on it, and we'll keep giving
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: your aid, but you have to pay for it.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's almost like a pre sanctions. It's kind
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: of diplomacy.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: When we slap sanctions on countries. A lot of times
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: it's because they're human rights abusers and we withhold funds
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: and money from them, like North Korea. Right, we don't
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: give them aid because they're bad people. And if they
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: started being good, which I'm saying no, not not the
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: pop Yeah, the people are fine. The government is kind
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: of a nightmare, Uh, just kind of yeah, And if
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: that government somehow became better.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: We probably give him more aid.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Money, you would hope if we had a reasonable government.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Right that that's not a crime, right, no, asking its diplomacy,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's avoiding war basically. And the thing is that part
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: is really important because this is still twenty fourteen and
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Biden is still VP in the United States, is pressuring
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Ukraine to crack down on corruption.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Right, which would include his son the business that his
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: sudden right is involved with.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Because the implication from the Trump administration is that Biden
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: was pressuring the government to fire this one particular prosecutor
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: to protect his son, when the truth is actually, and
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: this is a lot of people have attested to this,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the United States wanted this particular prosecutor out of office
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: because he wasn't doing enough about corruption. And one of
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the factors leading to that was that their investigation into
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Barisma failed, like after so many times they thought this
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: was going to be the guy who might uncover some
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: dirt on people, and he gets in office and he's
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: just not doing anything. So not just the United States,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: several countries in Europe also were like, you got to
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: get rid of that guy. Yeah, if we're going to
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: keep giving you AID money. But when this all really
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: kicks off, there's two things that happened. Biden in twenty
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: sixteen has two meetings with a one of the newly
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: elected presidents of Ukraine, and it's during that meeting where
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: it suggested that we're going to withhold AID if you
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: don't start cracking down on corruption, and in particular, you
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: need to fire Victor Shoken, who is your top prosecutor.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: And that's the sticking point for the Trump administration. Their
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: argument is he wanted Victor Choken fired because Victor Schoken
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: was the guy who would eventually investigate Barisma, right, and
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: that would bring up dirt on Hunter Biden. But the
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: problem with that argument is that, well, I should add
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that one thing is maybe the most important detail in
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: the Trump impeachment. Yeah, because what Trump wanted, specifically, when
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: people say quid pro quo, he wanted in return for
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: this AID money being released, he wanted the government of
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Ukraine to at least announce that they were investigating Joe
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Biden and Hunter Biden for wrongly influencing the government of
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Ukraine to fire a prosecutor to keep Hunter Biden out
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: of jail.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: And he did that almost immediately after a poll that
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: showed that Biden had the best chance of beating him
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: in an election.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Right, that's the big problem. This poll comes out in
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: That's illegal.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: And by this point, Joe Biden had gone in front
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: of I think the Council on Foreign Relations in twenty
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: eighteen also and was like, yeah, we put all of that,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Like he literally says, we withheld a billion dollars in
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: aid until they fired this guy. And sounds crazy, but
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: it was us basically requiring that they do more right,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to crack down on corruption. But Trump wanted it investigated
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: the other way and wanted the President of Ukraine to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: announce this investigation was happening because this poll had just
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: come out that said Biden had the best chance of
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: beating Trump right in twenty twenty And like you said.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Highly illegal, that's extremely illegal.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: You can't do that. Can't lean on a foreign government.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: The leader of a foreign country to spy on our people,
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: like he wanted them to spy on Hunter and Joe
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: Biden basically and dig up whatever dirt they could on
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Hunter and Joe Biden. He was asking them, you had
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: to do dirty work and like to start up an
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: investigat just to kickup shit.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Right, and their argument, like the Trump administration's counter argument,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: that Biden was actually pressuring the government for his own ends.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Here's a few different quotes. There was no pressure from
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: anyone from the US to close cases against Barisma. It
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: was shelved by Ukrainian prosecutors in twenty fourteen and through
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. That is Vitally Casco, former Deputy Prosecutor General
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: who worked under Shokun and resigned because he regularly stymied
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: corruption investigations. So there's that. There's also this quote, which
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: is from Daria Khleniak, who is a Ukrainian anti corruption
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: activist or advocate. Chokin was not investigating, he didn't want
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: to investigate Barisma, and Chokin was fired not because he
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: wanted to do that investigation, but quite to the contrary,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: because he failed that investigation. And if anyone out there
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: feels like, well, let's just here's that's what those people say.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Also consider that when the UK was investigating Barisma, Victor
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Chokin sent Barisma's lawyers a letter attesting to the fact
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: that they were not under investigation and there was no
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: case pending against them.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so basically, Joe Biden, if anything, was like put
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: pressure on Ukraine to remove the guy who was helping
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: to cover up his right any kind of putting his
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: son at Jeffes Yeah, exactly when it might be the
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: best political move that Joe Biden has ever made.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tough love, baby, I mean.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: To his name, just got kicked out of the Navy
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: for being a cocaine Now you want to go work
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: in Ukraine. He seems like a problem Hunter Biden, Yes, yeah, probably,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: I don't know much about him.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: He either get kicked out of the Navy for cocaine
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: and then is working for this company that keeps getting
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: get investigated or corruption.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Uh so, yeah, that's I mean, there's not a lot
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to the allegations against Joe and Hunter Biden, So this
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: is gonna be a shorter episode. Everything about the impeachment, though,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: stems from these two conspiracy theories, Yeah, and Trump demanding
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that the president of Ukraine investigate them in return for
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: aid highly.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Illegal, extremely and so illegal.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Everything else that happens, and like at one point it
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: came out during the impeachment trial that Devin Nunez went
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: and met with this victor choken yiss, Yeah, to try
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: and like get more dirt on Hunter and Joe Biden.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: He is Juliani met with him, that both.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Of them are so stupid, Right, Devin Nunez is such
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: a moron, just one of the dumbest people to ever
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: work in the government. Right, And Rue Giuliani, what does
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: he even do? All he does is go on TV
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: and admit to crimes. That seems to pretty much. Yeah,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: he's a terrible lawyer. He's a terrible lawyer.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: He's a terrible TV game, I mean his great TV
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: guess because you know he's gonna say something he shouldn't like,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: but it might also damage national security when he says it.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Uh, he's like the uh gg Allen of modern day
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: politics is wiping shit on himself on.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be entertaining, right, but is it? Is it
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: a little toxic? Yeah?
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: You're gonna feel good about being entertained by that bad guy?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Probably not so. Yeah, that's that's the thing. There's not
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: much too like if we were to from here go
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: into all of the allegations made against Trump, yeah, and
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Trump's administration in relation to this scandal, it would be
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: several more episodes, right, because they have done a whole
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: lot of wrong. As it pertains to Ukraine. We didn't
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: even get into how they let this Ukrainian dude just
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: kind of pressure us into fireing our ambassador to Ukraine.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: Like that's a whole other thing.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: But it really is just Trump is the kind of
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: guy who his gut reaction to any obstacle that he
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: faces is to do a crime. Like he doesn't even
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: he doesn't even think about what crime is he's gonna do.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: That's just how his brain works.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: He just turn flips immediately to all right, I gotta
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: do something illegal to fix this bullshit, right, and then
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: that's and then that's what he does.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: And it it's it's obvious that the idea that he's
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: gonna surround himself with the smartest people, like you can tell.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: From that Acting Chief of Staff.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Video where the guy's like, no, everything's fine, Yeah, well
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: we do.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: That shit all the time. What are you talking about?
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: That's just how diplomacy works. And the fucking reporters are like, no,
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it's not. Do you realize what you're saying?
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: You were admitting to several crimes And they're like, huh,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: Mick more vany what a fucking loser?
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Is he though?
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Or are we the losers. Everyone's the loser. Yeah, everyone's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: a loser.
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Every That is the theme of the last several years.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it kind of feels that way. So now you
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: understand why Trump's being in peace.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's actually a very concise summation.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: He asked Ukraine to investigate bogus allegations against the Bidens.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, in return for aid money. And that's very much illegal. Yeah,
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: don't do it. If you're ever president, don't And someone
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: listening to this will be maybe one day. Yeah, And
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: if you are, don't do that.
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: Don't do this, don't do any of the things outline.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And unless your son is on the board of some
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: shady company in Ukraine and you want to put pressure
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: on the government to investigate, yeah, your little head.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Seems amazing that Joe Biden comes out looking the best
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: out of everybody in this whole thing. Yeah, because he is. Again,
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: I am not a Joe Biden fan.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I don't want Joe Biden to be our present. I
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: really don't. I really really don't. Uh.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: And so yeah, uh, that's not what this is. It
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: is just like he just happened to be doing the
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: right thing at this in all of this, Like, yeah,
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: he just was doing normal VP shit.
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was doing what pretty much everyone on the
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: world stage was calling for it to be done at
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the time, which was for Ukraine to fire this prosecutor
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: and actually start being a less corrupt nation.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm sure that's happened.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: I I you know, I can't imagine it all on
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: the up and up. Now everything's everything's gonna be great now. Yeah,
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: now that Jump's been impeached. Yeah, we got him.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: He got him. He's being impeached. Is the p is
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: definitely gonna have long term consequences. Yeah, all positive though. Yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: so everything's gonna be great. Don't you worry at all?
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's our episode. Next week, we have a bonus
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: episode going up about the death of Nancy Spongeon.
• 42:03
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• 42:04
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• 42:11
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• 42:14
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• 42:18
  Speaker 2: that too much? I mean, I get thank you, thank
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: you for listening. Anyway, Yes, there we go. I'll go
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: back and edit the other thing out. That's fine. No,
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I'm joking.
• 42:29
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• 42:29
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• 42:31
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• 42:35
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• 42:41
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• 42:45
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• 43:02
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• 43:07
  Speaker 1: And uh, Olivia, what do you got to plug?
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: You can find me on Twitter at high their hidar Uh.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And I got a podcast.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be coming back eventually as soon as my
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: life returns to normal. Uh to you know something resembling normal?
• 43:21
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• 43:24
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• 43:26
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• 43:29
  Speaker 3: of two people being kind of annoyed at the New
• 43:33
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• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Very nice. Yeah, the New Star Wars was pretty annoying.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It was extremely annoying.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get the fuck out of here. Olivia
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: say goodbye bye, goodbye everybody.
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: We love you, a love a mother, a love another
• 44:03
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