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134: Jay & Jaydee Azavari - Living in Rhythm: Family Sovereignty & The Cycles of Nature · The Reverse Aging Club with Meredith Oke

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Meredith Oke: Welcome, J. And J. Diaz Vari. I'm really
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delighted to have you on the QVC podcast.
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Jay Azavari: Thank you.
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Jaydee Azavari: Thanks for having us.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, so there's. So there are so many things
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that we could talk about. You both bring, like,
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just a wealth of wisdom and experience in so many
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different areas, from music to health and
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healing, to running nature schools to
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homeschooling. So let's start with an area that,
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you know, our audience is familiar with, which is
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applied Quantum biology. Putting these principles
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into practice. So you've both been digging into
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this. J.D. you just got certified in Applied
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Quantum biology. So tell us, how did you end up
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there on your long and winding road?
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Jaydee Azavari: Well, I think both of us have always been the
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type of person that's looking for more, like,
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continuing to see what's behind the curtain, or.
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I know that there's other aspects to the story
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that aren't being revealed to me front and
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center. And through that, it's really, like,
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shaped an incredible, unique journey throughout
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our entire lives. And it's also what brought us
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together. I mean, I was working with what. What
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was language is quantum midwifery, which I do
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think is a little bit different than quantum
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biology now in relation to, like, looking back
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over the last couple decades. But it was quantum
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midwifery and then the quantum aspects of music
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that we were bridging into a homeschool
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curriculum. That's how we found out we liked each
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other and that we were like, hey, let's do things
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together. But it's been, you know, becoming more
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and more refined. And I do think that going
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through the course this past semester or season
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has really brought a lot of clarification to what
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quantum biology is for us and also, like, a new
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way to language and integrate what we've been
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doing with nature, mostly in children.
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Jay Azavari: Yeah, I mean, I see the quantum biology as a
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framework to ground a lot of these concepts.
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There's been a large mystical component to my
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worldview for a long time that's been shaped by
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music, vibration, spirituality, you know,
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shamanic explorations, altered states of
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consciousness. And it does link back to a lot of
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ancient wisdom. But what's really great about
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when JD Started to get more information and
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really dive into the quantum biology, it was a
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landing place for a lot of these things to really
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be articulated in a new language. And, you know,
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it ties everything together. And so there's a lot
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of things that we've been doing with the school
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and with both of our own pursuits and how we've
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been raising our children and how we've been
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living close to the land and you know, as a
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family that really tie together with a lot of the
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quantum biological principles. So it's, it's
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really cool to see how that has showed up in our
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lives.
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Meredith Oke: I love this. I'm like getting body chills because
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that was, that's like exactly how I see it. It's
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like a bridge the scientific language and that
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being able to explain mechanisms of action on a
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quantum level inside living systems is like a
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bridge into everything in a mystical world that
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is so difficult to articulate in a materialist
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society.
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Jaydee Azavari: The outdoor nature based program that we were
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running has closed and we've been working in the
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last several months to design and develop what
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we're going to be launching into and offering
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next. And I have these moments, oh, if I would
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have been able to articulate some of these
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quantum biological principles and components
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during our school time, it would have been like
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so much more impactful for parents truly to get
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into more of what happens at night with light
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versus just having your child out in the sunshine
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in the day. That's one example. But yeah, through
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looking at our next steps, it's really incredible
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to just know that we can continue to share this
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information and, and yeah, it's been exciting in
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that process developing what's coming next. But I
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mean personally, quantum biology was a key
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component for my own health journey. And that's
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how I found your program and the website and all
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the information and things that you do was
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looking through how to continue to build my
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resilience and health after having five babies
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and living a pretty like go go type, a type
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lifestyle for a woman for you know, most of my
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adult life. So that also continued to really help
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our lives, I guess, like help us, help me have
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even just like energy again. And it was so, you
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know, it's so simple, but it's so profound at the
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same time.
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Meredith Oke: Yes. And I think that that's worth digging into a
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little because I know.
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Jaydee Azavari: So.
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Meredith Oke: Many of us men and women, we come to new
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realizations about light and other things and we
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integrate all of the things and we're doing all
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of the things. But that component you mentioned
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of the go, go, go, right, the pushing, pushing,
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pushing. And Sarah Kleiner's written about this
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recently on her blog. It's like if our life is
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like feeling that feeling of push, of stressful
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pushing, it will knock us out of balance even if
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we're doing all of the things, quote unquote
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correctly. So I think it's, it's good that you
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Brought that up and like had the two of you
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running a school where everyone was bringing
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their children to your property and you were, you
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know, like, that's full on.
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Jaydee Azavari: It never stopped. And you throw like three or
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four horses into the mix and nine to 12 goats
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depending on the day, and a whole gaggle of
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chickens. And, you know, it's even a little bit
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more exciting.
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Meredith Oke: Tell us how you ended up doing that. So just to
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set the stage, the two of you were homeschooling
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parents. And then you decide you created like a
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curriculum or created a. I don't know, created a
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place for parents to bring their children for a
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nature based aspect to their education. And you
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ran. The two of you ran that we did with all the
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kids every day. Tell us about that.
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Jay Azavari: I would say just to start. Is that so six kids
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ranging right. Currently, right now from six up
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to 22 or almost 22.
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Meredith Oke: Okay, so you have six children. The youngest is
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six. The oldest is 22. Yeah, love it.
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Jay Azavari: So over the years that we've been together, we've
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been involved in a lot of different schooling
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layouts. We've done homeschooling, we've done
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Waldorf, we've done unschooling, wilderness
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schooling, a little bit of charter public school,
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a little bit of private school. We've tried a lot
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of different things. And so in 2020, everybody
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went virtual. Things went haywire for our family
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because we had all these kids doing computer
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stuff.
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Jaydee Azavari: We didn't have enough rooms or enough computers.
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Jay Azavari: We didn't.
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Meredith Oke: Yeah, right. Yeah.
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Jaydee Azavari: Bathroom. Like for real. Taking a test one day
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because we had to, like, close the door and you
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know.
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Meredith Oke: Oh, my God.
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Jaydee Azavari: Just many people.
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Meredith Oke: Yes.
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Jaydee Azavari: Yeah.
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Meredith Oke: And you couldn't even. I remember, like, trying
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to order an extra desk.
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Jaydee Azavari: Yeah. Online.
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Meredith Oke: And there were none. Yeah, right there. There
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were no desks to be had when shoving them into
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different corners.
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Jay Azavari: So, yeah, real state of flux with exploring what
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needed for many years. And so it was. It was
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subject to change every semester or every year or
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sometimes midstream. And so at the time we, most
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of our kids were in actual school programs.
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Jaydee Azavari: Our oldest was dual enrolled at the community
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college. Then we had two middle school private
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school kids and then two kids who had been going
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to the Waldorf school. And the. Well, the oldest
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went virtual right away, like through the
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community college. The private school took a
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little bit longer, and then the Waldorf school
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just kind of stopped everything for a while. And
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they're like, oh, this isn't changing. There was
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like about a month where they were doing Waldorf
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school online, which is one of the things I've
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ever.
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Meredith Oke: But that is. It's completely antithetical to the
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whole thing. Yeah, we had. My youngest was in
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kindergarten and it was a public school, but I
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picked it because they had just a really
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beautiful nature based kindergarten program with
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a teacher who spent most of the time taking the
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kids on walks to look at birds. And yeah, when it
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went virtual, he couldn't function. Right. Like
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there were. It would just for people who are so
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used to experiential nature based learning,
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switching to zoom must have just been like. I
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mean, I felt so bad for him. It was because.
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Yeah, like that doesn't translate to the virtual
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world.
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Jay Azavari: No, it doesn't.
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Jaydee Azavari: And so, you know, time went on and another school
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year began after that initial like, okay.
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Meredith Oke: And so did the Waldorf just. They just kind of
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were like, we're gonna close till this is over.
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Or they tried. Or they tried to do virtual, but.
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Jaydee Azavari: It'S like they did virtual and this.
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Meredith Oke: The opposite of what they're good at.
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Jaydee Azavari: Yeah, yeah, for about a month. And then summer
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vacation occurred and then it was about 2021. In
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the fall.
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Jay Azavari: No, it was 2020. It was the fall of 2020. And so
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they actually came and set up classrooms here on
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our land.
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Jaydee Azavari: This was before our school because they were to
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work outside of some of the regulations in North
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Carolina, literally by putting tents outdoors
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because then they wouldn't have to have the same
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indoor type regulations. But that only lasted for
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a few months until another mandate came that said
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you had to do certain things even if you were
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outdoors. And at that point there were several
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more months left in that school year. But. And
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then we were like, we're not going to do this
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anymore. And many of the families were like, no,
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this is, this is not aligned for us. And that's
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what propelled our program to start.
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Jay Azavari: Yeah, it really revealed the kind of dividing
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lines within the different parents in the
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community here and wanting to continue to push
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towards doing in person schooling despite what
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any of the mandates said and others didn't want
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to go in that direction. So that was really what
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laid the ground for us to then start ATA. And so
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in the leading up to 2021 was when we were
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building a lot of momentum towards the beginning
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of the Appalachian Academy of Therapeutic Arts,
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which was ada. And so that was JD and I
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responding to what seemed like there was no
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schools left anymore that would work for our
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family. And then meeting other families, having
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in depth conversations over several months of
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what can we do? And so it began this really wild
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cascade of people coming together. And also a
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real, like, crash course in education for us
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around this idea of sovereignty and operating
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privately versus being beholden to some of the
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public systems and overseeing bodies. So it
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really sped things up for us to try and figure
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stuff out as quickly as possible. But ultimately
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it was really just responding to the external
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circumstance of having the space and the
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willingness to say, yes, let's do this. And so we
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kind of figured it out along the way.
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Jaydee Azavari: And used the head.
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Meredith Oke: I love this. And I, like, this is, I mean, this
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is, to me, a story of innovation in action.
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There's like a major disruptive event or force,
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and it's like, how are we going to respond? Are
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we going to crumble and fold? Are we going to
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pretend that it's a good thing and go along with
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it, or are we going to allow it to spark up our
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creativity and create an option that we wouldn't
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have thought of if this hadn't happened? And you
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guys did that third thing by starting your own
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school. And this whole conversation is like such
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a. Like, I think I blocked out how, how deeply
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controlling and intrusive the policies were in
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20, 20 and 21. Like, when what you're saying is
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like reminding me. And if people didn't have
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school age children, it might not have seemed
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like a really big deal, but it was really, really
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bad. And I. And we, we chose to. We moved to
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Louisiana for a year so our kids could go to
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school. We had been relocated to the Midwest when
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this all went down. So, yeah, it was definitely a
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defining moment of, you know, like a major choice
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point of how to move forward. Okay, so. So you
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guys were like, all right, so all of the schools
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have basically been imploded or erased or
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regulated within an inch of their lives to the
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point that we don't want our children involved.
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So we're gonna make our own school on our own
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property. Like, what happened next?
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Jaydee Azavari: Well, we had to make big decisions around
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logistics. I mean, that took a lot, like, how
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long does our day go? How many kids do we have?
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What curriculum do we use? So it was fun in that
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sense where we kind of got to create exactly what
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we'd always wanted, maybe for our children. And
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first and foremost, it was being outdoors and not
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just like indoor school outside, but, like, be on
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the land, cold, wind in your face, regardless of
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if you wanted to be in it or not. Rain, heat, all
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the things that can challenge our, like, really
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tiny bubble of an ecosystem that we so often live
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inside of. And it does it challenges you. It
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still challenges me to want to be like, no, you
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have to go out today. And I'm like, oh my God,
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it's cold. But really helping to again, take it
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back to this element of resiliency. What really
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helps us be healthy, the simplest things, yet
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maybe the harder things because of how we've
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developed into this, like, very interesting
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society at this point. But yeah, so we had a lot
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of land and we just said, okay, we're going to
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start with everybody being outdoors. We on
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building some timber frame, pavilion type
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structures for a bit of shelter, milling a lot of
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wood from our land. Those, I mean, those are
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still even today with where we're at being built
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to some degree. We didn't have a lot of money to
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make this thing happen. It was very much boots on
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the ground. So then we chose curriculum based
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within the Waldorf construct. And also a lot of
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our children have done nature programs that were
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based on like the eight shields model. So we
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brought in some primitive skills and things like
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that, and then foundational academics, very.
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Which, you know, that ties into how Waldorf
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approaches academics, but really like basics of
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math and reading and how to apply those things on
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a daily basis and in the way that you live in the
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world. And then we had this aspect that we called
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therapeutic arts, which was bringing in different
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types of modalities to help develop the character
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of the person. And also it's like the opposite of
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developing character. It's like allowing that
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human who's here to always be the human they're
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supposed to be and foster that rather than
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shaping them into what an outside idea of them
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should be.
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Jay Azavari: I mean, I feel like we had this idea that we
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wanted to incorporate some of the aspects of the
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nature immersion wilderness skills programs, but
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we didn't want to not do any academics. We wanted
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to do reading. We wanted to do science and math
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and intellectual type things. And so marrying
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together a lot of these ideas. But we had this
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technical, which was nature, basically like JD
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was saying, it's, you know, getting out into the
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elements. We wanted to create a situation where
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we had the ability to have shelter so we could do
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things. But oftentimes when I was facilitating, I
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ended up facilitating a lot of classes, a lot of
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the groups of kids. It became a highly
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improvisational endeavor. You know, I really like
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to try and get the kids into their bodies and
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where that interface is between us and the world
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around us. And so we would do, we would do
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embodiment exercises. I used a lot of qigong in
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my, in my Teaching and we would do
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improvisational, nature based interaction type
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things. Like we just kind of on a whim, we
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started doing Cloudbus. And it kind of was born
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out of this idea where we would be doing
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exercises. Rub our hands together, feel the
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energy between your hands, create a ball, toss it
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back and forth between the different members of
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the class. And then we, one day I was just like,
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well, let's bring it all together into one big
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thing. And we're going to throw it up in the air
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and we're going to aim at that cloud. And it was
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just kind of an off the cuff thing. And then we
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did and we observed what happened to the cloud.
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And over the next like 10 minutes, it dissipated
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and dissolved. And it was like, oh, wait a.
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Jaydee Azavari: Minute, we can all the kids.
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Meredith Oke: Wow, that is so cool.
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Jaydee Azavari: Later that day he'd be teaching music theory to
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them. So it's like we had a really lovely ability
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to shape what we were offering and also to
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interact with families and parents in the
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community to do our best to see what they wanted
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too, for their children. I got to teach
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holographic blood to them for a little while, you
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know.
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Meredith Oke: Oh my gosh. Okay, teach us holographic blood.
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J.D. tell us.
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Jaydee Azavari: Yeah, we have a lovely relationship with the
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Bagelson brothers and holographic blood. So
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that's fun.
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Meredith Oke: Tell us what that is.
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Jaydee Azavari: So the live blood microscopy and dark field
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microscopy, right. Has kind of hit the scene
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again. It was pretty, pretty, pretty well known,
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the earlier health food type health nature like
25:06
80s naturopath world. And as Covid hit and people
25:13
were trying to make sense of it and what was
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going on, us included, looking for new ways to
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determine how our bodies are managing things that
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are being put into them or around them. And so
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here we were with live blood analysis and as I
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was researching that, I found two brothers who
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worked with from their father's meth into
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Bagelson method. And it's a very different way of
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looking at live blood where you use microscopes
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that have very specific lenses in them and they
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actually use not LED lights. So now I'm
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incandescent or halogen light because of how it
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views the blood. And you can't even get these
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microscopes right now. It's a whole big thing.
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But the way that, that moves through the
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microscope and how you view the blood, you're
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actually looking at as, at it as a holographic
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version of yourself. From this perspective of we
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live in a holographic universe. Right. So it's,
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it's really cool.
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Jay Azavari: Well, they would be.
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Jaydee Azavari: I'm still learning.
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Jay Azavari: So they would be. They would be viewing and
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interpreting things in the blood that would be
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sort of like opening up a dialogue where an image
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would come to them. And they would be
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interpreting this image as, let's say, like a
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broken femur. And that would lead them to then
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dialogue with the. With the person's blood that
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they were talking to. And it turns out that, oh,
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right, I did have this accident that happened
26:44
when I was a child. And it's something that's
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been in their field and showed up in a way that
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Adam and Josh are able to interpret. And they've
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used these. They've used this method to uncover
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and excavate some things that are going on with
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people's stories and people's health and stuff
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going on in different systems, being communicated
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to them and interpreted through the blood of the
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individual. And so they're doing some really wild
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and amazing work. And it's a much different spin
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on things than that is a lot of people.
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Jaydee Azavari: Yeah, that's really amazing. And one of the
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things that really drew it to me was the aspect
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of light and its interaction with our blood, like
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the matrix of our human essence. And also that
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they don't necessarily look at. How do I describe
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it? I guess my experience of a lot of the new
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liveblood analysis is coming from the really doom
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and gloom kind of end game. Like, look at all the
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terrible things that have happened to our blood,
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right? You can have a litany of what those things
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are. And now the world's really, really bad
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because they did these things to us and how do we
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get out of it? Whereas the Bigglestons, they're
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like, no, it's not really bad. Like, we've always
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had these aspects of who we are, why we're on the
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planet, things that we bump up against that
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cause, like, a glitch in our system, which is
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essentially what life is, right. We have some
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type of hero's journey that we go through and
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come back out of again. And they have a way of
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encapsulating that through looking at the blood
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and working with you in, like, this sort of
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nurturing perspective. Teaching. Teaching it.
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Meredith Oke: That is so cool. I'm thinking now of, like, all
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the different people I've talked to, like Eileen
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McKusick in the Biofield and just how. Yeah,
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like, from the holographic perspective, you can
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deduce so much about a person, history and
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trajectory, life trajectory, perhaps, you know,
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spiritual and emotional elements, trauma,
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whatever, by looking at, like, everything is
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encoded. I think I'm just thinking this through
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as I talk. So, like, Eileen would see it all in
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the biofield, and the Bigglesons are seeing it in
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the blood. They're literally, like, talking to
29:11
the blood.
29:12
Jaydee Azavari: Yeah, yeah. And having it respond. But then, you
29:16
know, you'd have an experience of getting an
29:18
analysis with them, and then there would be some,
29:22
you know, offering of remedy. And often it would
29:25
be something structural, maybe something
29:28
psychosocial or, you know, psycho emotional, not
29:31
just like this bad thing happened to you, try to
29:34
get it out and get rid of it type of way of
29:36
approach. They also would work more from. And I
29:41
don't, you know, want to, like, completely
29:43
describe what they're doing and maybe not do it
29:45
quite accurately, but it's not from the version
29:49
of life where we're contagious with one another
29:51
and everything, again, is, like, bad and out to
29:53
get us. It's like, well, the parasites are there
29:56
to help clean up the thing that was there before
29:58
the parasites, and the mold is there to help
30:00
clean up the heavy metals. And it's not
30:02
necessarily that all these things are just there,
30:06
you know, needing to be removed or killed. But
30:09
how do we bring ourselves back into balance? And
30:11
truly, everything is just designed to keep us in
30:14
balance. Like homeostasis rules. Right. That's
30:17
what we're aiming towards and how we can create a
30:20
relationship with that and work together with our
30:23
bodies and whatever might also be in our bodies.
30:28
Meredith Oke: I love that, that every. Everything is there for
30:31
a reason, and maybe it's gotten out of balance
30:34
and it's causing symptoms that we don't want. But
30:39
I love this idea and like, that. It's not doom
30:43
and gloom. I'm very much in that camp. I just
30:47
don't see the point of coming to that conclusion,
30:49
really, about anything. As we were just saying,
30:54
we had the government intruding into our lives
30:57
and shutting down schools and telling everyone
30:59
how they had to do it. And it's like instead of
31:02
reacting to that, you both responded and created
31:06
this amazing alternative. But we could do that
31:08
with every single thing that ever happens to us,
31:11
or for us, as I prefer to think of it, what
31:15
happens for us. And so amazing that that is
31:19
coming through. So you. You taught the kids the
31:23
holographic blood?
31:24
Jaydee Azavari: I did.
31:25
Meredith Oke: For children.
31:27
Jaydee Azavari: Six weeks. We went through the book, and the
31:30
Bigglestons have courses. You can learn this. And
31:34
I was given the ability to teach them from one of
31:37
their courses. Yeah.
31:39
Meredith Oke: Amazing. So doing things, okay, like, from music
31:44
theory to cloud besting to holographic blood. I
31:49
mean, You. You both chose to believe that
31:53
children could easily engage with these topics.
31:56
What happened. What did. What happened with the
31:59
children when you did. Did this with them?
32:04
Jaydee Azavari: Amazing things.
32:05
Meredith Oke: Yeah.
32:06
Jaydee Azavari: There were children who. I mean, a lot of kids
32:10
either came to us from. Well, with COVID Right.
32:13
They had most all been in some other environment
32:16
and through the process of finding their way to
32:19
us, there had often been some kind of
32:22
traumatizing event that they had to work out once
32:25
they got here. And there were a number of
32:27
children that I can think of where they would be
32:30
here for a week or so, and then they would just
32:32
break down and your parents would, like, parents
32:34
would be hugging and crying in the parking lot,
32:36
like, oh, my gosh, like, I can touch you or I can
32:39
see you, or my child was, you know, so far from
32:43
who I thought they. They were truly or who they
32:46
used to be. And now I'm seeing them again. And
32:49
the kids, like, you got into this one book with
32:52
them that might have been a little beyond their
32:55
league for a while.
32:58
Jay Azavari: I can. I can give a little bit of. A little bit
33:01
of context. So there's a guy named Dylan, and he
33:04
wrote a series of books that are called Spirit
33:07
World. W H I R L E D. So. And it has a lot to do
33:11
with etymology and language and breaking apart
33:16
the language that we use, how this idea of, you
33:19
know, words are spelled because we're speaking
33:21
with a particular frequency and vibration and
33:24
breath and consciousness. When we. When we utter
33:26
something and we're casting spells, we're
33:28
influencing our reality. And so I would use lot
33:33
of the material from his book. I had to pick and
33:36
choose because some of it was a little bit not
33:39
age appropriate. But what. What happened was
33:43
really interesting because it would open up these
33:46
kids. These kids that I was working with at the
33:49
time were between 9 and 11, and it would open
33:53
them up to start to question the assumptions
33:57
about our. Not only our thoughts, but, like,
34:00
reality, social constructs, all of these things.
34:03
So we. These were things that a lot of the
34:05
families had been grappling with and then, you
34:08
know, maybe trying to assess how much they can
34:11
talk to their kids about it. Or there's the
34:13
natural resistance of the kids to hear what the
34:15
parents are saying. So we created, or within the
34:19
group of the context of this group, created a
34:21
context for these kids to explore within a peer
34:25
level, some of these concepts, some of these
34:27
ideas of what happens when we start to really
34:31
question what we're thinking, what we're saying.
34:34
Why did we say that? Why was that? My response,
34:37
My Automated response that came out without me
34:40
really thinking about it. And what responsibility
34:43
do I have? What power do I have to change that?
34:45
So there was all of these ideas and concepts that
34:48
we were playing with and it became a really
34:52
interesting exploration.
34:54
Meredith Oke: And.
34:56
Jay Azavari: Yeah, there's some really, really profound and
34:59
powerful experiences with these kids and with the
35:02
families.
35:05
Meredith Oke: Can you share some one of them that comes to mind?
35:09
Jay Azavari: I mean, we started to, you know, this is a
35:13
little. I'll just share this. We started to get
35:16
into some of these ideas of questioning where our
35:21
thoughts are coming from, where our ideas are
35:23
coming from and why we're saying things that
35:25
we're saying. And a little bit of crunchiness
35:27
would come out between certain members of the
35:30
class. And so I would just kind of use that as an
35:34
opportunity to explore a little bit. And so I
35:37
started talking about this idea of essentially,
35:42
you know, social mind manipulate, you know, large
35:46
scale social manipulation and thoughts, ideas,
35:51
attitudes and, and how we're able to use our
35:54
words and thoughts to influence one another,
35:57
influence ourselves both positively and
35:59
negatively. And so as we were having this
36:01
conversation, it was getting a little bit edgy
36:04
for some kids. And then we start hearing
36:07
helicopters, we start hearing military
36:09
helicopters. And so I start saying to them, I
36:13
said, okay guys, so like we've been out here for
36:16
six months and we've been having conversations
36:18
about all kinds of different things. And like
36:20
here we are now, we're talking about this idea of
36:23
this seemingly dark and mysterious nefarious
36:27
control system that's like infiltrating our
36:30
thoughts and influencing our behavior. And then
36:32
suddenly we're like faced with a, you know,
36:35
conspiratorial cliche of like black helicopters
36:39
flying around and like potentially failing our
36:41
thoughts. And you know, it's all within, within
36:46
somewhat of a, you know, potential hypothetical.
36:50
Not saying that this is actually the, the
36:53
hardened, fast way this is going every time. But
36:57
you know, we would play with these ideas and just
37:00
this idea of coincidence or how, you know, did
37:03
that, did that cloud dissolve because we threw
37:06
the, the ball of energy at it or.
37:10
Jaydee Azavari: What are the wind patterns today?
37:11
Jay Azavari: Yeah, so I mean, right. Exploring some of these
37:14
ideas and that not everything is fixed and that
37:19
we have a opportunity and a power to get together
37:25
and explore how we're wanting to interface with
37:29
these ideas of whatever we call reality. So yeah,
37:33
that's, that's my little.
37:36
Meredith Oke: That's. So that is like. That is deeply profound.
37:41
That is a deeply profound teaching for children
37:44
to absorb early in life. Because I think a lot of
37:48
us spend time trying to unlearn you know, the. We
37:52
were told that reality is fixed and solid and
37:56
static and impermeable. And it's so funny. I just
38:00
this morning saw a post, read a tweet from this
38:04
woman, she's an. Another executive coach that I
38:06
follow, and she said, in order. It was like, in
38:09
order to break through walls, you can't believe
38:12
that the wall is there. You have to just go. And
38:17
I left a comment saying, like, maybe that's why
38:21
so many new things, new contributions are made by
38:27
outsiders or really young people, because they
38:30
haven't learned enough to build up the wall and
38:34
inside and then live as though they can't go
38:39
through it for the rest of their lives. So you
38:45
are planting that seed. It's amazing. I mean,
38:51
even this, like, what we're all doing right now,
38:54
right? Like, we're all sort of outsiders to a
38:58
certain extent. And there's a reason why applied
39:01
quantum biology is not being championed by people
39:04
deep inside the scientific institutions, because
39:08
they know too much. They're like, no, no, we. We
39:12
have to study this in a way that will result in a
39:15
medical device that is patentable or a drug that
39:20
is patentable, and any other application is just
39:24
playing around. And. Right. And so then those of
39:29
us on the outside are like, why can't we just
39:34
learn this science ourselves and see what it
39:36
means in our lives?
39:38
Jaydee Azavari: I think a big part of how we've raised our
39:41
children and then ultimately led us into how we
39:44
want to educate our children is coming from that
39:46
place of, how difficult really is this? Why can't
39:49
we do it on our own, similar to what you were
39:51
just speaking to? And then what are the walls
39:54
that we've put up throughout our lifetimes that
39:56
are causing us to think we can't? And so majority
40:00
of my work before this was based in women's
40:02
health and midwifery, home birth, midwifery. And
40:05
when I started to learn that, I mean, it was.
40:09
There was many different ways and things that I
40:13
was diving into to try to find what was right for
40:15
me, which led ultimately to unassisted birth. And
40:18
then I was like, well, how do I integrate that
40:20
back into midwifery? How do these two things seem
40:23
kind of opposite, kind of the same? And it
40:26
really, like, culminated in this idea of quantum
40:28
midwifery and a person that taught that. And then
40:31
I worked with her school for a number of years,
40:33
but there were moments where I was like, well,
40:35
why can't I resuscitate my baby? As I'm learning
40:38
this from this perspective of a midwife, right?
40:40
I'm like, this is so simple. But it's these, at
40:42
these acts of, in that moment, like health care,
40:46
that are kept away from, you know, away from the
40:49
layperson to think that they can't do it and to
40:52
then like outsource our power or all. I mean, you
40:55
can talk about all that stuff. And many, most
40:57
people who probably listen to this already are,
41:00
but we really have these abilities to find our
41:04
way, right? And to bring that back to how we want
41:07
to raise our children, how we want to birth our
41:09
children, how we want to heal ourselves and
41:11
ultimately working towards a world where we can
41:14
have everything available, where we can choose.
41:17
Well, if I need to go and have surgery because I
41:20
broke my arm snowboarding, which, you know, one
41:22
of our children did, we will do that without
41:25
question because that is here on the planet right
41:27
now and can work. And do I need to get surgery
41:31
for my knee that is just had like a torn ligament
41:34
where I could use PRP and red light therapy and
41:37
work on my exclusion zone water and all these
41:39
things to heal myself, then yes, let's do that.
41:41
But if we don't have the, you know, the
41:45
development of how we analyze things, right, or
41:49
move through the world, how do we even know to
41:51
ask those questions? How do we. How do we know to
41:54
even ask, like, well, could I resuscitate my
41:56
baby? Or, you know, who's really in charge of
41:59
this birth? And there was a moment after, I think
42:03
my second was born, it's like, well, who was in
42:06
charge of my birth? Like, was it the midwife? Was
42:08
the home birth or the midwife completely
42:10
straightforward? But it felt very confused using
42:12
afterwards. And at that point, as like a
42:15
midwifery student, but also a mother, I realized
42:18
as a midwife, I could never know more about a
42:20
woman's birth than she does. And then if the next
42:23
person that's going to know more, it's going to
42:25
be, you know, whoever. If it's her partner, her
42:27
husband, the person that's like, next removed
42:30
from her. So then you get into this idea, well,
42:32
what is my role, right, as a healthcare provider
42:35
or a midwife or a teacher? And it gets really
42:39
tricky. But there's that aspect of like, the one
42:42
who's holding the space, the one who's keeping
42:44
the container for everybody, with the knowledge
42:47
that then can, you know, focus that knowledge in
42:51
or allow the experience of the person going
42:53
through the process to find their way. And so all
42:56
of that really was brought into this version of
42:59
our school. And, you know, as we've kind of
43:02
Pointed out a lot of it was explained
43:04
experimental. And I often would feel or say to
43:07
people that if I had a model to follow, I would
43:11
like, I don't just need to experiment always or
43:13
to do this on my own, but I can't find it. So I
43:16
guess we got to do it. We got it. We got to bring
43:18
the world right, you know.
43:22
Jay Azavari: This little bit of a point, of a pivot point for
43:26
us. And initially, when we started ada, it was,
43:30
was. There was a lot of. It was, A lot of it was
43:33
a reaction to the circumstances and not.
43:36
Jaydee Azavari: Not wanting this, you know, whatever that is out
43:39
there.
43:40
Jay Azavari: But what we noticed over time was that as we got
43:44
further along in the process and began to do this
43:47
day in and day out, it was, it became important
43:51
for us to intentionally shift our focus to what
43:54
do we want to create? And really what that became
43:58
was what we always had wanted to see. Because,
44:01
like, like we mentioned earlier, we've been
44:03
through so many different versions of school and
44:06
education. I mean, I, I, we both grew up in
44:09
public school, but with our kids, we went through
44:12
dozens of iterations of different things. And so
44:16
what, it became a shift point from, like, okay,
44:19
we're reacting to everything's falling apart
44:21
there. There had always been this settling kind
44:25
of sense where, like, oh, we're gonna do this
44:27
with this kid, because this is the closest thing
44:29
that we can find that would suit their needs. So.
44:32
But what became revealed is we shifted from the
44:35
reactivity to the place of more internal,
44:39
following an internal compass. Was that, like,
44:42
we're creating what we've always wanted to see,
44:44
and it's possible to do that. And, yeah, I mean,
44:49
and I wanted to add one thing to what you said
44:50
earlier, was like, our daughter was maybe, I
44:53
don't know, 11, 12. And she had gone to the
44:57
doctor, she had some stitches, like, a few
44:59
stitches in her arm. And, you know, the protocol
45:02
was, okay, well, when, you know, this touch time
45:04
passes, you come back and we'll remove the
45:06
stitches. And JD was like, no, you can take those
45:08
out yourself. And she was like, I can. She's
45:12
like, yeah, yeah, you can, or.
45:14
Jaydee Azavari: I can do it.
45:14
Jay Azavari: But I'm like, we can do that here. And we'll just
45:17
keep an eye, make.
45:18
Jaydee Azavari: Sure everything's clean, you know, back to the
45:20
doctor. You really think that that's what would,
45:22
you know, help you feel safe in this situation?
45:26
Then she came out with having removed them
45:28
herself.
45:29
Jay Azavari: Right. But sometimes there's these minor, you
45:35
know, changes in perspective where, you know,
45:38
we've been, we've been programmed and thought
45:40
that the appropriate protocol is to go back to
45:43
the doctor and have them do the things for you.
45:45
And so just like with, with education or
45:48
parenting or, you know, some medical things, I
45:51
mean, obviously, within reason, but you can make
45:55
some of these decisions and take the power into
45:58
your own hands and make, you know, make the
46:00
choice for yourself. It's your, it's your, your
46:03
driving and it's, it can be really challenging to
46:09
remember that in so many different scenarios. So
46:13
trying to move the needle a little bit for the
46:16
people that we're involved in and influence and,
46:18
you know, ourselves, our children, and then by
46:21
extension, the other families and children that
46:23
we've worked with.
46:26
Meredith Oke: So good. I love it. And it's, you know, it's so
46:30
interesting because, like, I spend a lot of time
46:32
in the, in the coaching world, right? And
46:34
everyone talks about having high agency and being
46:37
proud, proactive. And like I was saying, that
46:40
woman posting about, like, you can't even see the
46:42
walls. There can be no walls for you if you want
46:43
to go through them. And yet so much of our
46:47
society is designed to take that away and to make
46:51
us think that we, that we don't have choice. We
46:55
have to do it this one way, particularly public
46:59
health. But anyway, that's a whole podcast on
47:03
that. It's. And it really matters. I mean, I
47:08
think what you're saying really matters. Even
47:10
just a small example, like, oh, I can keep my eye
47:14
on this. Like, I get appropriate medical care,
47:17
and then I can keep my eye on it, make sure it
47:21
doesn't get infected and take, you know, and deal
47:23
with it the way, you know, in a, in a way that's
47:28
going to work out fine. And I could make that
47:30
choice. And it's a small thing, but every time
47:35
we're given the opportunity to do that, I think
47:38
it builds a different type of reality than every
47:42
time we feel like we've had to comply with
47:45
something external that was decided for us.
47:49
Jaydee Azavari: And I mean, that is one thing that I absolutely
47:52
love with quantum biology and really getting into
47:54
circadian principles, because it's. I can wake up
47:58
when the sun rises. Yeah, I might not want to,
48:01
but I can. And it's really not that hard. Get out
48:05
of bed, right? And I can go eat my lunch outside,
48:08
and I can turn the lights off when the sun goes
48:11
down, and I can model that to my children, and
48:15
they can start watching me do that. And I can
48:18
say, hey, look at these red light glasses. I
48:20
mean, it's something that I worked really hard,
48:25
especially because then you have teenagers who at
48:28
some point in time they're gonna get a screen. We
48:31
live in digital world. And again, that's another
48:33
whole books written on topic on how we like bring
48:38
and bridge nature with technology in relation to
48:42
kids. But having them understand that some of
48:46
these tools are easy and accessible and they can
48:49
bring them in and they will feel and see results.
48:52
Like, my daughter started wearing red light
48:54
glasses at night and she's like, I'm sleeping
48:56
better. And I'm like, yeah, you might be. Tell me
49:00
more about that. And like, we all eat breakfast
49:05
outside on the porch now. And the porch has been
49:07
there and we used to eat breakfast once in a
49:09
while on the porch. Right. But now we eat
49:11
breakfast every day on the porch because I'm
49:13
like, we're gonna do this thing. And it's. We
49:16
look forward to it. So it's these very simple,
49:19
accessible, like, acts of righteous power that we
49:24
can like, integrate or reclaim or just remember
49:27
that it's always been there and it's still
49:29
waiting for us.
49:30
Meredith Oke: Right.
49:32
Jaydee Azavari: And I, I really, I've really, really appreciated
49:36
that and I'm excited to be able to share it more
49:39
with families. Like, we touched upon a little bit
49:43
already. Yeah.
49:46
Meredith Oke: Yeah. There is something, you know. Yeah. Quite
49:51
profound about aligning with the light cycles and
49:56
the darkness cycles that even if it just starts
49:59
out as, oh, I'm going to do this so I sleep
50:01
better, There is a shift that happens when we
50:04
have developed that awareness of ourselves in
50:07
time and space. And I'm much more aware of the
50:12
directions and which. Which way is east and which
50:17
way is west. And I just feel more like a living
50:24
part of the world as opposed to a disconnected
50:30
entity that is somehow trying to make its way
50:34
through something it doesn't really belong in. If
50:36
that makes sense.
50:37
Jaydee Azavari: Yeah, I mean, that seems like a key foundation,
50:39
Right. To being able to access all of these
50:42
bigger choice points that we've been talking
50:44
about. Like, how do we know that we can. I know,
50:48
I'll use birth references. How do we know we can
50:50
resuscitate our baby or trust ourselves? That's a
50:53
big question. But if we can get, you know, keep
50:56
going further and further back into the
50:57
foundational pieces that allow us to connect to
51:00
the earth, to connect to rhythms, to connect with
51:02
who we really are. To know which way is east and
51:04
west. Right. That's going to layer on our ability
51:08
to trust ourselves and to know that we have these
51:11
inherent, like, aspects and ways to, to navigate
51:15
situations that arise.
51:19
Meredith Oke: Yeah, it's. It's interesting. You're Bringing up
51:22
the birth. I do remember. So I have three
51:25
children, and from. From my middle child, I was
51:28
able to have a home birth. And I remember because
51:33
the first birth had. Had been in a hospital. And,
51:37
you know, it was like your typical thing was
51:39
progressing fine at home, was in the bath with
51:41
candles. I went to the hospital, everything
51:43
stopped. 10, 12 hours later, they're like, oh,
51:45
you gotta start with this drip and that, and
51:47
you're strapped down, and they're all in charge
51:48
of everything forever. And so the next one, I was
51:52
at home with the midwives. And I remember at one
51:54
point, like, the labor changed, and I looked at
51:57
the midwives, and I was like, now what do I do?
52:00
And they were like, I don't know. I'm like, what
52:04
do you mean? They're like, what do you want to
52:05
do? And then this contraction came, and I was
52:07
like. They were like, there you go.
52:12
Jaydee Azavari: And I was.
52:13
Meredith Oke: And I'm like, oh, my gosh, These natural birth
52:16
people are right. Like, that was one of the most
52:19
empowering moments of my life was this freaking
52:21
contraction.
52:22
Jaydee Azavari: Yep.
52:25
Meredith Oke: And, yeah, there was. There was also, for legal
52:29
reasons, they needed a, like, an extra person in
52:32
the room because one of the midwives was still in
52:34
training or something. And that woman had just
52:36
got off a flight from India. She was, like,
52:37
sitting in the corner of my bedroom, like,
52:39
napping. I remember thinking, like, how the hell
52:43
is she sleeping through this?
52:45
Jay Azavari: Oh, my God.
52:46
Meredith Oke: Then I thought, well, clearly everything's going
52:49
well if she. She feels like she can be napping.
52:52
So it's just all these little cues from having.
52:56
Being surrounded by people who are tapped into
52:58
that, what you're saying. So you're giving me
53:03
some remembrance to that experience and how
53:06
different it is. And I. Yeah, I think I wanted
53:10
the natural birth more, as, you know, for health
53:13
reasons and to not have drugs in my body and that
53:16
kind of thing. But that was my first realization
53:20
that there's so much more emotional,
53:24
psychological, spiritual overlay to these kind of
53:29
health proceedings as we're trained to accept
53:33
them. Okay, one more thing I want to talk about
53:38
is music. So, Jay, you were talking at the
53:46
beginning. You said some really interesting
53:47
things about music and frequency in this
53:49
discussion. And quantum say more stuff.
53:53
Jay Azavari: So. Yeah, and I talked a little bit about this
53:57
when we were recently going over just our
54:00
backstory. And, you know, we. We've been talking
54:05
some of these things through. And so, you know,
54:07
like, with. When I grew up, I was really
54:11
disengaged from school. I was dissociated. I was
54:14
date. I was a daydreamer. And you know, I looked
54:16
back at.
54:18
Jaydee Azavari: What did your mom say about you?
54:19
Jay Azavari: Well, okay, so my mom took me to get, when I was
54:22
in maybe third or fourth grade, she took me to
54:24
get like, evaluated by a professional evaluator
54:29
of children. So her sentiment she shared with me
54:36
was that she was trying to figure out whether I
54:38
was stupid or conducting concertos in the school
54:42
guy. So apparently her, her question was
54:50
satisfactory.
54:51
Jaydee Azavari: It all makes sense now.
54:55
Jay Azavari: Apparently her question was satisfactorily
54:57
answered about that I wasn't stupid. And I
55:01
shared, I shared with JD also that, you know, I
55:04
found at some point later all of these report
55:06
cards from elementary school and like they all
55:08
said the same single resulting. He's such a
55:10
bright kid, but he's just not engaged or, you
55:12
know, he's not paying attention, he's
55:14
daydreaming. And so I don't know, when I was
55:17
maybe 13, 14, I started playing music, started
55:21
playing guitar. My dad, my dad and my dad's side
55:24
of the family had always played. So I had seen it
55:27
going on at different gatherings, the hours of
55:30
the night, with my aunts and uncles and my
55:33
grandparents and my dad. And so, so I started
55:36
playing and then I connected with some other kids
55:39
that also were interested in playing. And so it
55:42
became a real solace place where I could find
55:48
some meaning and some purpose. And it was almost
55:51
like the dissociative yearning and traveling
55:56
suddenly had like a soundtrack and some kind of a
55:58
grounding to it. And so things started to make
56:01
sense. And you know, I'd say from there I started
56:05
to explore improvisational music and some, you
56:11
know, mind altering substances and things like
56:13
that. And it opened up this world of frequency
56:17
and vibration that to me really connects with a
56:20
lot of the age old mysticism that most of the
56:26
spiritual cultures and religions all speak about.
56:30
And there was a book that I was introduced to at
56:34
some point in my late teens, the Tao of Physics.
56:39
And it was this really brilliant idea that a lot
56:45
of, like we spoke about earlier that a lot of the
56:48
modern and cutting edge ideas around particles
56:53
and quantum physics and just basically the, the
56:59
fabric of reality is made up of this, these
57:04
harmonic relationships. And so that is reflected
57:09
in a lot of the way that our biology is, is laid
57:14
out. Like if you look at the ratio of the
57:17
individual digits in your fingers and then your
57:20
hand and then your arm and then your body,
57:23
there's relationships in the distances of those
57:26
and how they relate to one another that are also
57:29
reflected in the harmonic principles of overtones
57:32
and Harmonies and what we experience as
57:35
dissonances and consonances. And so it's
57:40
something that is embedded in us and then
57:44
extrapolated outward and inward on a scale that
57:48
is, you know, beyond. It's infinite. So there's
57:52
the whole idea of like, when you look up the
57:54
spheres, it goes back to like, sort of like a
57:57
Renaissance idea of the different planets and how
58:03
they relate within the context of our system and
58:06
how those relate to the harmonies and then the
58:09
particles and the, the atoms and things in our
58:12
body and the spin, the electron spin, resonance
58:16
that happens. It's creating a inter woven
58:23
collection of overtones and harmonies and
58:27
distances. And I would, I would use some of these
58:28
ideas with, when I would teach music because, you
58:31
know, we have these things built into our
58:33
language. Like you get a vibe off of somebody or,
58:38
you know, these, these principles are also at
58:42
play, you know, within our own psyche, but also
58:45
within our relationships with others and the
58:47
world around us. And so we would explore some of
58:52
this, both theoretically, philosophically,
58:56
mystically, but then also we would incorporate
58:59
some of these basic principles into studying. I
59:02
mean, I use the baritone ukulele as a, you know,
59:07
kind of a place to explore some of this. And so
59:10
we would, we would talk about music theory and
59:13
how that overlaps with some of these other
59:17
concepts and give the, give the kids an
59:23
opportunity to explore some of these things. And
59:26
I always would, I always would make sure that I
59:28
would reiterate that, you know, all of the rules,
59:30
all of the theory that we have is really just
59:34
humanity's attempt to make sense of something
59:37
that is really far more mysterious and
59:40
unexplainable than we can ever imagine. So it's,
59:43
it's sort of like a simplification and a
59:46
distilling down and really like, you know, you
59:50
hold the keys to the understanding of this
59:53
because it is what you are. The vibratory and the
59:57
frequency expression of you is really the
1:00:02
deciding factor in all of this. And what do you,
1:00:05
how do you want to, how do you want to relate to
1:00:07
it? What do you want your song to sound like? And
1:00:13
so, yeah, that's. I hope that answers the
1:00:16
question.
1:00:17
Meredith Oke: So, yeah, it's beautiful and it's. I feel like
1:00:22
we're circling back to the holographic idea. Like
1:00:24
whether you're looking at the body or you're
1:00:26
looking, looking at music, it's like there's all
1:00:28
of. It's like all one thing almost. So I'm super
1:00:40
excited to announce that J and JD Are about to
1:00:45
launch their own podcast. And you all need to go
1:00:50
and subscribe to it right now. It's called Rising
1:00:56
Sovereign. So tell us about the concept of Rising
1:01:01
Sovereign, what that means to you and, you know,
1:01:04
sort of where you're going with it.
1:01:06
Jaydee Azavari: Well, when we entered into this, like, the
1:01:10
beginning of last school year, so the fall of
1:01:14
last year, which we did a couple semesters of
1:01:17
before, like, ultimately Hurricane Helene was
1:01:20
like a big. That caused our school to stop for a
1:01:24
little while. But we were going through some soul
1:01:28
searching even before that around. Is this really
1:01:32
the best way for us to meet the most people?
1:01:36
Because we have all this inside of us and
1:01:38
experiences and stories that we can't not want to
1:01:41
share. We just know that it needs to be shared
1:01:44
and it can help, help people and then people can
1:01:46
help us. And the cycle continues. And with. With
1:01:51
those questions already percolating, it continued
1:01:54
to evolve into, well, what is. What is an avenue
1:01:56
that we can really begin to put together the
1:01:59
huge. This huge, like, puzzle that is our lives
1:02:04
that includes midwifery and holistic health and
1:02:07
motherhood and music and nature and what else do
1:02:14
you got?
1:02:15
Jay Azavari: Being a father.
1:02:16
Jaydee Azavari: Being a father. Quantum biology. All of the new
1:02:21
things that came into our world through quantum
1:02:23
biology after we thought we'd learned it all
1:02:25
right, so, like, there's always more and creating
1:02:28
a platform where that can be offered and feedback
1:02:31
can be given to just continue to like, I mean,
1:02:34
truly offer the best. The best environment to
1:02:39
raise the continuation of humanity.
1:02:41
Meredith Oke: Right.
1:02:43
Jay Azavari: And I would always say that, you know, we, within
1:02:46
the time period where we were running ada, we
1:02:50
were attending a lot of events and conferences
1:02:53
and really trying to support and promote people.
1:02:59
Doing something like that wouldn't be exactly the
1:03:03
same because it would be them and it would be
1:03:06
where they are. But I would oftentimes reflect on
1:03:09
that. No matter how much we did with Ada, it was
1:03:13
maximum. We could reach maybe 50 to 70 kids. And
1:03:16
that would be us working ourselves to the bone.
1:03:20
And so how can we then take that same inspiration
1:03:26
and that energy and these concepts and then sort
1:03:30
of like cultivate that in remote locations and
1:03:34
share this and sort of like scatter seeds for
1:03:39
this type of thing to happen all over the place?
1:03:41
Because it really needs to be explored all over
1:03:48
the place for, you know, people to be able to
1:03:52
create something that's going to be outside of
1:03:54
the.
1:03:55
Jaydee Azavari: It's a place the idea will become a place where
1:03:58
people can gain inspiration and empowerment to do
1:04:02
whatever it might be that they are being called
1:04:04
to do. Like it was. It's like you can start a
1:04:07
school Like Gada. And you're like, what really?
1:04:09
Like, you can have your baby at home, most
1:04:11
likely. Like, let's talk about this. Like, what?
1:04:12
Really? Yes. And I mean, that's kind of the
1:04:15
undercurrent of everything we've been talking
1:04:18
about is there is way more to the story around
1:04:21
what, what you have access to and the ability to
1:04:23
accomplish within yourself. And most often, we
1:04:27
just need somebody, like, encouraging us or a
1:04:29
place to, like a soundboard to move through our
1:04:33
questioning and then like an applause after we.
1:04:36
We accomplish the task. And that's, that's really
1:04:40
like a big driving force behind why we wanted to
1:04:43
create a podcast.
1:04:46
Meredith Oke: Yeah. You know, that it. It's so needed and it's
1:04:49
so important as you're talking, what's coming to
1:04:53
me is this idea of mentorship and that we, so
1:04:57
many of us have this idea like we were talking
1:05:02
about earlier, the contrast. Okay, well, that's
1:05:05
what I don't want. But I don't also want to live
1:05:08
in reaction just against what I do want. I want
1:05:10
it now that I know what I don't want, what can I
1:05:14
create? And it's very challenging to take that
1:05:18
path without some kind of mentor who gets what
1:05:24
you're trying to do and who's been through some
1:05:26
version of it themselves and has gained that
1:05:29
wisdom and is not going to think you're weird or
1:05:32
crazy and is going to support you and bring you
1:05:36
through it. And I think in addition to some of
1:05:38
the other challenges we've already talked about,
1:05:40
that is a huge missing piece for creating this
1:05:45
alternate dimension that we'd prefer to live in.
1:05:49
So I'm really, really happy that you're both
1:05:52
doing that. And I think it's also worth
1:05:54
mentioning, it's like having a mentor and coming
1:05:58
to a place like the Rising Sovereign Podcast and
1:06:00
learning from you. It's like you might have. My
1:06:05
children are at the moment all in public school,
1:06:08
but I could still learn so much just for my
1:06:11
parenting, for the hours that they're at home,
1:06:14
for the way that I interact with the school.
1:06:15
Like, you don't have to be on a certain specific
1:06:18
path to gain the wisdom that the two of you have
1:06:22
gained, have accrued through your wonderful
1:06:27
adventures, through this dimension to you and
1:06:32
being.
1:06:32
Jaydee Azavari: Empowered in that it doesn't have to look any
1:06:34
particular way. And that's something that is, you
1:06:37
know, a big message. And what we want to bring
1:06:40
and what we want to model is, no, maybe you want
1:06:42
to have a hospital birth, and that's the most.
1:06:44
Again, sorry, birth references. But the most
1:06:46
empowered way to have your baby. And I went
1:06:49
through, like, several hours one day with this
1:06:53
woman who was just so conflicted because she's
1:06:55
like, everybody wants me to have a home birth,
1:06:57
and I don't want to have a home birth. I'm like,
1:06:59
well, tell me about that. And she went on to
1:07:01
explain how she was raised in hospitals and her
1:07:03
parents were doctors and all these things. She's
1:07:06
like, wait, I really want to have a hospital
1:07:07
birth, but I can't say it in my yoga class. And
1:07:10
I'm like, there you go. Right? So it's not just
1:07:15
coming at it with, like, particular, like, even
1:07:18
dogmatic answers to all the questions. Like,
1:07:21
really? It's about questioning. And that might
1:07:23
look like you make some choice this year and a
1:07:25
different one next year. That is our children in
1:07:28
many different schooling environments. And
1:07:29
knowing that within, you know, this idea of
1:07:34
community or what we want to continue to promote,
1:07:36
it's like, that's also okay. It's okay to make a
1:07:40
different choice than maybe someone else, and we
1:07:42
want to get it like, well, what's really, like,
1:07:45
under that? What are you looking to achieve and
1:07:47
why are you making your choices and how are they
1:07:49
aligned with you or not? And.
1:07:53
Jay Azavari: It reminds me of the thing that you always say,
1:07:56
say, where you said, no, no one can know more
1:07:59
about a woman's birth than her. Right? And so,
1:08:02
like, applying that to some of these other
1:08:05
things, like someone's family, for instance, like
1:08:08
me coming from the outside, like, I can't really
1:08:10
begin to grasp the totality of what the inner
1:08:14
workings of this person's family is. I can share
1:08:17
my perspective and be witness to them, and
1:08:21
hopefully I can show up in a way that's non
1:08:25
dogmatic, dogmatic, or judgmental. And like you
1:08:28
said with that woman, find the source of where
1:08:31
this thing is coming from. Help them arrive at
1:08:34
their decision and have it be their decision.
1:08:36
Jaydee Azavari: And there's things also that we like to talk
1:08:40
about that a lot of people might still not want
1:08:43
to talk about, but we think should be talked
1:08:45
about, and they could be considered
1:08:48
controversial. And I'm still searching for people
1:08:51
on podcasts talking about these things,
1:08:53
especially in relation to raising children or
1:08:56
health with children or within the context of the
1:08:58
family. Like, Jay's been listening to crazy
1:09:01
conspiratorial podcasts for decades, but I'm
1:09:04
like, where is that in relation to motherhood?
1:09:06
Like, who's talking about some topics right now
1:09:09
that are really up that you can't even
1:09:11
potentially say out loud without just being
1:09:15
highly judged? So Little teaser about some of
1:09:18
that to come also.
1:09:20
Meredith Oke: Yes, and also, yeah, that's also a really good
1:09:25
point because so much of this does spin out into
1:09:29
the kind of conspiracy theory media, which does
1:09:34
really well. It gets a lot of views. People are
1:09:38
like, this is, they're doing this to us and
1:09:41
they're doing that to us. And it's like, I don't
1:09:44
disagree, you know, but to your point, JD and
1:09:48
Jay, like, what you guys are doing, it's like,
1:09:50
okay, maybe, probably. And so what does that mean
1:09:56
for us personally? Where is the connection?
1:10:03
Where's the podcast, the media, the people
1:10:06
talking about who are just sort of like, yeah,
1:10:08
that's true. Like, let's put it to the side and
1:10:10
operate out of knowing that information but not
1:10:14
being dictated to. Like be in reaction to it all
1:10:18
the time and be freaking out about it all the
1:10:19
time. Because it's still winning when we do that,
1:10:23
I think.
1:10:24
Jay Azavari: Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's just another
1:10:26
version of your choices not being your choices
1:10:30
kind of in this, in this obscured or shrouded
1:10:35
way. But you end up like, like you said, you're
1:10:37
not, you're not winning in that scenario either.
1:10:40
Jaydee Azavari: And it can feel really like paradoxical at times
1:10:43
and like letting that be okay because I, I mean,
1:10:46
I'm talking about Biggles, the Biggleson, like,
1:10:48
approach to holographic blood where there really
1:10:51
isn't like a doom and gloom thing out to get you.
1:10:53
But then I'm like, well, but we also might need
1:10:55
to make a choice about X, Y and Z. That does feel
1:10:58
like really, to say the word that you use,
1:11:01
curious in this moment. And I always felt like I
1:11:05
was more of like this middle ground type of
1:11:08
person for a good amount of my life. And I look
1:11:10
back, I'm like, well, maybe I really wasn't. But
1:11:14
more where, you know, I would be more non
1:11:17
confrontational or try to make everybody happy
1:11:20
kind of version of a woman. And once, you know, a
1:11:25
lot of the things have gone on in the last four
1:11:27
years, someone was like, well, I'm just going to
1:11:28
take like the middle road. I'm not going to
1:11:30
choose this side or that side. And someone was
1:11:32
like, well, the middle of the road is where you
1:11:34
get run over. Yeah, you know, that's another way
1:11:38
to look at this, right? I think. Yeah. So again,
1:11:43
it's like that idea of which is very cliche, but
1:11:46
like, if you don't make a choice, you're still
1:11:48
making a choice. And how we can just like, okay,
1:11:51
well, let's lean into that even more.
1:11:55
Meredith Oke: Absolutely. This has been wonderful. Thank you
1:12:00
both for being here. I've learned so much, and I
1:12:03
really want to congratulate you on the podcast.
1:12:08
And I do feel like this is where all of us
1:12:11
together, everyone listening, everyone doing
1:12:13
stuff, creating stuff, we're ushering in a new
1:12:17
era of media that is super individual and hopeful
1:12:23
and not afraid to say whatever we want, but also
1:12:28
not falling into any of the traditional traps of
1:12:33
media communication and going after big numbers.
1:12:38
It's like. No, we're going after honesty, real
1:12:42
experience, real wisdom, wherever that leads us.
1:12:47
Thank you both so much.
1:12:49
Jaydee Azavari: Thank you so much for the opportunity.
1:12:54
Meredith Oke: All right, we will put the links to everything in
1:12:57
the show notes. In the meantime, please go
1:13:01
subscribe to Rising Sovereign wherever you get
1:13:04
your podcasts. All right, thanks, guys.
1:13:08
Jay Azavari: Thank you.