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We owe WWE creative an apology | The Still Real to Us Show | Episode #696 – 6/15/23 · Real. Guy. Pods.

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It's stud up. Well. Welcome everybody. Welcome to this week's This in
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a snow Reel to show episode number six hundred ninety six for June a,
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teen to two thousand three. Welcome to this week's Ssion of ass are the
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team years. I am one after the show, I am Jeff Pack joined
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every single week. My cow song, my doctor right, thank doctor Trey.
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What is up? My friend? I think I am like NWA Country
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right now or TNA Country. I'm in Nashville, well, Murphy's Borough,
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but I'm Nashville at Jason so, like, uh, I mean the home
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of the third place wrestling companies. I don't. I don't really know what
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you call this thing, but I'm here. It's music city and we're some
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wrestlings pretty excited. Do you do you still watch Impact on occasion? Like
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I can't. I have a hard time finding it on because I have we
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have switched from Direct TV to Hulu Live, so it's difficult for me to
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track it down. Yes, So I just kind of like find clips and
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videos and YouTube stuff and kind of watch you out there. Plus Josh Alexander's
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out injured, and everybody knows my love for Josh Alexander, So I really
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haven't watched Impact in like two years. It was it was like the wrestling
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promotion I needed cut from the pandemic when the pandemic was going on, Like
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everybody that listened to the show back then, I was watching Impact every single
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week really enjoyed it. Was one of my favorite shows during the pandemic was
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Impact Wrestling. I thought they did some great stuff. Don't follow it all
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that much, but they have a lot of good things going for them right
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now. They're doing the stuff with the New Japan for like the Metaverse,
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they're tour in Australia. They just seem to be doing really well and they're
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pretty much under the radar for company that used to be number two that was
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you know at times I think people forget, but they were similar to like
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what AW is now. Probably AW is more popular from a national perspective and
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then obviously fell off the face of the earth, but from like a very
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solid wrestling promotion. They're doing a good job and I think they need to
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be applauded for the stuff they putting out there each and every week. So
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I forgot they were having a pay per view and I'm on Facebook and they're
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like Alex Shelley New Impact World Chaman, I'm like, I didn't know.
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Alex Shelley was like, like they just put the belt on Steve Macklin and
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then switched it right back on to Alex Shelley is like, all right,
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but I mean for having you know, the former Naomi there, the women's
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divisions always been good. Tag Tea and divisions always been good. You got
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Sammy callahan and Jake Chris back together for me, you know there, Oh
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I four K type pig, so Rich Schwan's a part of it. I
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mean, they got some good stuff going on. It's just you know,
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they just don't have that draw. They don't have that person that's going to
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change the ratings, you know, And well they have to draw. Sam
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mccallahan, Yes, yes, so, but he's not you know, the
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demo guy. True, he gives people to pay money to come to see
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him wrestle, but Jericho gives him to gun watch for free. Yeah.
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Yeah, it's it's uh, they're doing good. They're doing good. I
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agree with you. They don't have that like big name value that I see
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that can bring everybody in. But yeah, they've got some very solid workers.
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People that you are are very entertaining, and I'm happy for him.
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They seem to be in a much better place than they were six years ago,
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and I think they've kind of realized what their niche is at this point,
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that this is probably how they will be as arresting promotion going forward is
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like this very small, middle of the road, mid tier arrested promotion,
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and they're okay with that. Now. The TNA days are behind them.
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The chance of running at w is way behind them. And running third in
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a world where there's a lot of amazing wrest in promotions the United States is
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not a bad thing. So props the Impact Wrestling. An unsolicited conversation to
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kick off this week's This to the podcast Switching Gears, Doctor Trey, You
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know, I mentioned this recently and I figured we should bring it up for
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conversation now. But I believe I don't necessarily know if you believe, but
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I believe that we owe the Cody Rhodes and Brock Lesner feud an apology.
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Night after WrestleMania, everybody was not happy. I mean literally everybody was not
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happy with the way that that raw was ran. People didn't understand the Cody
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feud to begin with, and then they had a match at Backlash and it
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was pretty good match, and then build heading into that match was pretty good.
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And then they had a match at Night of Champions and that match was
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pretty good and it made sense, and the build for that was pretty good.
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It made sense. And here we are in this weird time period where
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they're obviously angling for Cody versus Broad at SummerSlam, and there's some rumors right
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now that that may be a bull Row match, which would be awesome because
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that is in line with Dusty Rhodes. But here we are this time period
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where Cody's getting ready for Dominic and I just took a step back with everything.
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And Cody mentioned in his promo and Raw that you know, maybe Brock
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accepts his challenge or what have you, comes out and accepts it, And
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I'm like, man, this feud is is pretty darn good. I don't
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know if it's knocking on the door a feud of the year at all.
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I think it maybe knocked on the door of at least a candidate for few
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to the year, but ultimately Doctor Trey, I feel like we as wrestling
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fans, oh this feud in apology because they've done a pretty damn good job
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so far. Yeah, I mean, like you said, you know,
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after wrestle Mania, the weird turn out of Nowhere, which then you know
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you read the stories about, well, actually we dropped hints there was some
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foreshadowing of who the Brock was going back to. But yeah, it's actually
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been pretty good, and it's accomplishing something that we talked about heading in the
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wrestle Mate, which was where Cody didn't have them any obstacles overcoming. Now
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in the past, you know, three months, he's had a ton he
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has to had to overcome now, so it's been really good. If they
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do the bull rope match, I mean, not only is it you know,
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Nomasa Dusty, but it kind of fits the characters as well, because
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you got still cowboy Brock and you know, Cody being the grandson of a
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plumber. I mean, it's Americana. It kind of fits all those things
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together. And I mean I'm sure now, I'm like, really, you
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go back and watch a lot of Champions. That was a really good match,
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and it's actually one of Brock's better matches he's had in a while.
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And even uh, you know at Backlash, it was still one of Brock's
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better performances. So and those are the times you can tell Brock's actually really
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into the story as well, is when you feel like he's trying and he's
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also helping elevate somebody else. So to me, that's also shy a sign
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that you know Cody has a Brock's respect, which well, ten years ago,
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there's no way in hell if I ever thought that would have. And
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not only that, but we loved Babyface Brock. We loved everything that he
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was doing, and a heel turn like this soon kind of didn't make any
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sense at all. Peculiar booking for Bobby Lashley Versus Brockett Elimination Chamber in February,
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and come to find out that that was starting to plant the seeds of
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a heel turn. Peculiar build with Omas heading into Wrestlemanian again, that was
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then planting seeds for a heel turn. You know, sometimes we as wrestling
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fans don't give credit to things that we don't snuff out or find out right
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away. And you can make a case that w Creative did stuff that we
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weren't realizing, but afterwards maybe we were too pissed off. About the way
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that that raw after WrestleMania took place to fully understand, like, wait,
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that was really good what w WE did, And I think that's something for
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me as a wrestling fan, and like I feel like I'm at wrestling fan
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anonymous now even though everybody knows me. Let's listen to the podcast, like
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hand up that you know moment in February's Elimination Chamber, that Easter Egg was
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pretty brilliant. The build heading into wrestum Anting with Omas was pretty brilliant because
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what we're seeing right now, like it makes sense and that's our biggest gripe
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right at the time. In February, Marshall like this doesn't make any sense,
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and then here we are in June, it's like ah. And that's
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what wrestlers, wrestling promoters, creative writers, producers in wrestling tell us nowadays,
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is like, don't initially react to things. And that's tough for two
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guys to do a podcast, but don't initially react, Absorb what's going on,
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Enjoy what's going on, enjoy the ride, and just let it take
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you to that point and when it happens, you realize it. And I
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think that's the epiphany in this hall, the Tiffany Epiphany, Tiffany Stratton epiphany,
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doctor training. This entire thing is like, man, w Creative did
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a pretty damn good job, and we were shifting on it pretty hard.
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It's probably the most we've crapped on w programming in twenty twenty three was that
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night after WrestleMania and specifically that Brock Lesser Cody Rhodes feud kickoff. Yeah,
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like, I mean, I still remember, like the Rods that was bad,
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but I remember seeing You're going, yeah, I don't understand why they
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did it. It was kind of weird, but you know, codium Brock,
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I mean, hell, that's it's a good opportunity for Cody, and
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now you've seen him take advantage of that opportunity. And then I think the
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other thing is is over the last nine months and almost a year now,
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because I think it's almost been a year since Triple Agis kind of took over
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WW for the most part, We're so used to kind of seamless transitions from
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storyline is storyline, and this was so knee jerk, you know. It
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was like it was a stop to the Roman race thing and then boom right
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into Brock and we're just kinta of carpet. You you look at like Kevin
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and Sammy and the bloodline, those are like kind of seamlessly transitioned into alternate
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rivalries as well, and you know, those are things that we like.
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And you know, plus out of this whole thing, we get a little
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bit of Cody and Dom, Like I'm kind of on board for this because
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Dom's a great heel and they both have these lineages and legacies, Like I'm
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looking forward to money in the bank right now just because there's a little mini
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feud in between the Brock feud. So it's it's really good across all boards
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of getting cross over, getting guys elevated, getting guys more TV time.
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It's been fantastic. And a couple of weeks we'll look at some of the
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candidates for our twenty twenty three SRT Award show at the halfway point of twenty
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twenty three, which is mind blowing to say out loud, where is this
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feud starting to enter that candidacy, Doctor Trey, Because I think a lot
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of people want to point too, well, you know, look at Sammy
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and the bloodline, or maybe the stuff with the USOS and the Bloodline,
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and I think those are definitely considered feuds. Those are more like storylines.
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It feels like to me, the Cody Brock thing is more of a feud.
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And when you look at the w W perspective, this is possibly top
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three five and definitely right now. Maybe Ray and Dom as a few is
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much better than this one, but this has some potential if this goes all
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the way towards SummerSlam. Yeah, I mean, I'm I probably got it
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in the top four or five for the year at least, you know,
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And a lot of it is where do you position stuff as far as like
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if we're going straight from the beginning of the year to now, like uh,
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Ray and Dom you know kind of started before the year changed over,
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but then uh, you know obviously only through Wrestleman and even a little bit
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lingering over now. Um, I had another one. I mean Sammy in
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the Blood Life. You just look at Sammy saying versus the Bloodline. You
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know, that's obviously gonna be like right up the very top. Um,
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even the Elite versus the you know, the Blackpool Combat Club right now,
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it's got to be up there too, because that's been very compelling television as
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well. So it's up and probably the top five, especially if they go
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away the summer slamming. It's just been I mean seeing Brock get busted open
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a backlash and seeing the broken you know, the supposed broken arbango. I
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mean, this is some intensity in this rivalry that we typically don't get within
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the first two matches of a feud. But so for the Dance was Kennedy
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helped rush the elevation to be appreciated that for Cody Rhodes, this is a
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damn brutal rivalry. And it's not Cody just kind of going out of his
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way to be brutal. It's literally it's in the confines of your storytelling.
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Yeah, and if they do a bull rope match, and I expect it
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to be a great match, this could this could this could be knock on
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the door of a few of the year. Can it pretty hard? Which
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is insane because again mind boggling wise, um, we were not in favor
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of it. So I stand here today, doctor Trey. I apologize to
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w Creative as a wrestling fan for the Cody and Brock feud. My initial
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thoughts on it. We owe it an apology. Are you co signing this
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apology with me? I am with one one caveat do we get the old
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school ball roll match or do we get the four corners bull row match?
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But I always thought the four corners was old school? Am I wrong?
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No? No, Like back back in the Texas days, the bull rope
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matches were like Texas death matches. Basically you had the bull rope and like
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knock them out at all and you basically beat a guy until you pinned them.
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But I think they do the lights. I think they do the lights.
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I'm just wondering if it's if it's Brock, is this it's Brock and
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Cody, Like can they use like a little bit of like creatively away with
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this, because I mean, really it's getting to point now like those four
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corn matches is kind of hard to do something creative for the finish to satisfy
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the audience. And we've we've almost seen everything when it comes up to it,
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and they've done some pretty creative finishes so far with the Kamara lockpin to
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the passing out, Like, yeah, I think they can, I'm hope.
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So like we did one one year Rocket City and as the Heel did
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the baby Face goes around hits all three cords that the heels behind him,
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hitting all three baby Face goes at the fourth quarter as the manager, I
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jumped in the ring and pounced on the turnbuckle so he couldn't touch it,
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and he gave the bad guy time to knock him down. I got away
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from the corner and the bad guy touched the fourth corner and one. So
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there are there are some ways out there to pull it off and actually be
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creative, but I kind of missed the old school like NWA, you know,
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Georgia Championship Wrestling stalages like Brutal Fish's matches where like you have to you
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know, walk around the ring to win. Do you join in on the
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apology for this feud? Hit us up on Twitter? Yeah, you are
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joining in on a doctor Trey. Yeah, I'm in on it. I
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just you know, I want a good match at the end, but yeah,
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I'm signing off on it. Um. It's it's been really good in
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entertending, so I can't I can't complain either. I fully expect it will
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be good. I feel like lessner, I mean obviously more Cody and Triple
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h R students of the Game but Lessner doesn't get a lot of credit for
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it. You know, there's some old school minds there with Cody and Triple
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H, and Lesner has a good creative mind as well. So I think
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this summer Slam stuff is going to be pretty awesome, speaking with things that
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are going on creative right could relatively right now with the last couple of weeks,
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there's been some teasing right now of a potential breakup in the Judgment Day.
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The Judgment Day to me is this is I think a little bit of
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polarizing because the Bloodline is so damn good, But the Judgment Day to me
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is the hottest stable in all professional wrestling right now. No disrespect to the
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elite Blackpool Combat Club the Bloodline. I'm loving what's going on with the Judgment
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Day and it just feels special. And I would say, as a longtime
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wrestling fan that if it looked like they were all going to remain together,
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that maybe a baby face turn could be coming, which would be very difficult
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because of Dom's healheat. But nonetheless, when you look at the individuals right
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now, Damian Priests coming out of Backlash, he seems to be ascending.
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This seems like, where were you when you saw the beginning of the rise
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that was Damien Priests And I feel like that is going on right now.
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He's every Money in the Bank, which we'll talk about here momentarily as well,
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but he seems to be ascending. Ria Ripley is getting cheered and is
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super over, maybe one of the highest cheered wrestlers in the entire company right
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now, of like Kevin Owen, Sammy Cody Rode, Seth Rollins, and
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Ria Ripley, Like people are going nuts and doing mommy chants. Dominic Mysteria
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is one of the biggest heat magnets in all of wrestling right now, and
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it's super over as that heel. People love to boo him. He's doing
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amazing in his role. Finn Balor has a Money in the Bank World Heavyweight
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title match now against Seth Freakin Rollins in a couple of weeks, and he
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had some interesting interactions with Damien Priest lay. Plus he was seen talking to
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PROTEJJD McDonough on this past week's edition of Raw. So to me, there's
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maybe some tensions between Damian and Finn, and could this be the beginning cracks
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of a breakup for Judgment Day as a group, or could we see that
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maybe the group is kicking out Damian Priest in the future to help with that
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ascension that seems to be organically taking place right now? Where do you stand
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on this creative booking right now with the Judgment Day, Doctor Trey? Is
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it time to break up the Judgment Day? Do we see a Damien Priests
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kick out and exit, maybe he gets replaced with the JD mcdonnah or do
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you just keep the good times rolling and let them continue to do their thing
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each and every week? Un raw, I mean personally, I'm you know,
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I'm a big stable guy, and you know, to me, bringing
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mcdonnah in and kind of still letting them do their thing right now would be
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good. The biggest thing if you go kick somebody out is you're helping to
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elevate them and make them a bigger star. And it's hard. Like I
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think when you look up paper, you're like, Okay, Rie is a
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big star. Don's becoming a big star. Damien's position to be a big
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star worse fit? Like do we think Finns any better now than he was
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in NXT? Do we think Finns any higher up the food Charee because Finn
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takes most of the losses when Judgment Day loses, and although he does have
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a world title match, and they did a good job of referencing the first
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you know, universal title match to kind of give him some credibility. Like
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them kicking Damien out and Damien to few with Finn, does that really do
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anything for Damien at that point? So I think you got it, Like
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they haven't had that big singles title. When for the men's side of it,
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to help elevate one of the guys that they kick kick him out,
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there's no chase other than revenge. They've done it with Ria, But I
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think in w'siris, the star of the group and the guys of their support
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her, So I would just kind of help. I would kind of keep
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it as as is, maybe at him mcdonnaugh and then if somebody else catches
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fire that maybe you end up kicking out to help them catch fires a baby
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face and that's the way you go. Yeah, it's interesting right now.
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It's just it feels like that something is bubbling up with the Judgment Day.
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I feel like the stock is rising for the entire group. I feel like
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as individuals, their stock is rising as well, and it I just get
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good vibes watching creatively what's going on with the Judgment Day right now. I
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feel like they're part of the mussy television that you see on w programming each
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week. Love what I'm seeing from Raw and I like the current storylines that
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are involved with It's it's great to see and again creatively for something that started
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out post restimating with edge and had a lot of different stumbling blocks along the
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way. I mean, I think there was one point they were off television
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for a little bit and I think Finn and Damian priests did like a main
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event match a tag team, and it was just like this big question mark
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of what was going on. And then Triple H gets evolved and you just
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see the group move forward very proactively and become over as heels and and that's
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part of my concern is a long time wrestling fan, I watched them.
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There's there's some d xish to them, their anti authority, anti establishment,
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and as time goes on their anti heroes, fans genuinely start to adapt to
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that. And I would have a tough time seeing that right now with Dom
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and the group, but I think fans would still share on the group,
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but boo Dom because they enjoy doing that. It's it just seems like that
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this current time frame that we're seeing, I just feel like that there's something
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special going on with the judgment day, and I think creatively it's a very
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important time for them and their future as a group moving forward. Yeah,
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you're absolutely right, Like then there's a lot of ways. I mean Dom's
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I don't know. I think you could eventually pull the trigger on making it.
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Like if they all turned on Dom and threw doma. I think the
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crowd would pop her that too, because at first they'd be like, oh
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right, Don's getting beat up. But as long as the rest of groups
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stays heal, Like if if Rhya decides, they just beat up Dom because
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she's now in love with JD mcgunna, you know, or something like that.
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But it gives you options, and that's one of the great things about
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stables is that you can kind of go, hey, who do we think
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catch fire if we move somebody? So, I mean that's what the Horsemen
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did for years. The nWo did that for years. You know, DX
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didn't really kick guys out, but they were so edgy as a heel that
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you can flit back and look at the nation when they kicked Farruca and Rock
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went on top. So there's there's all gives you options across the board to
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kind of play with and figure out the what chess pieces you want to move
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around the board to get the maximum results. Speaking about the ascension of Damian
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Priest, it appears as it stands right now, the Men's Money in Bank
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ladder match is cemented, and when you look at the participants in that Men's
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Money in Bank match, there are no former world champions and that as people
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pretty excited and I am here for it. Those participants include Santos Escobar,
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Butch, Damian Priests, La Night, Ricochet, and Chinsky Nakamura. It
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certainly feels to me that's a lot of, if not all, Triple H
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guys are getting showcased in this match. So I saw this on Twitter recently,
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Doctor Trey, and it was pointing out and I was like, Wow,
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that's really really cool, because we're gonna have a fresh new name involved
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in some sort of world championship title picture, whether it be the Universal Title
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or Undisputed University Tite or whatever they call on that belt. Now that Roman
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has the World Everyweight Championship, or if for some ungodly known reason they decide
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that the money brank briefcase winners got to cash in on an XT champion,
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which is right now Carmelo Hayes. No disrespect to Carmelo, but I feel
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like, if you're going to do this, let up be what we're seeing
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on Ron SmackDown right now, since especially NXT kind of went back more towards
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the developmental brand than a legit footed brand like we thought it was back in
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twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen. So with that said, fresh competitors, fresh
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new competitors, Doctor Trey, I am here for it. What are your
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thoughts about this? Like, I love that this field is taking place,
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and it has a lot of people excited for the Men's Money to Break match,
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more excitement that we've seen in some time. Yeah, I'm excited about
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it. Just once again, it's also about elevating, you know, talent
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up the ladder so to speaks and you know, as we've seen over the
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last few months, we see people move up and then you see like the
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Baron Corbyn's, the Dana Brooks as peopill drop down to kind of help out
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at NXT, so it gives you know, a fresh coat of paint for
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some of these guys. And when you're looking at at the guys in this
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money in the Bank match, you're like, man, like, any one
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of these guys could win, but they would also have to work on building
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them up to not just win, but actually be credible in the way we
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don't want to jack swigger anybody, so to speak. So, um,
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I don't know, but you like, I feel like La nice the odds
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on Favorite though, but I mean out of everybody else in there, I
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can make a case for just about anybody hid in the match, but just
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once again, like form my perspective of always like I always like when the
23:48
eel win because they can be sneaky when they cash in. Like right now,
23:51
my odds on Favorite La Night, Well, you know, I think
23:56
I think it's Damien Priest right now, but I couldn't make a case so
23:59
I can make it for Damian Priest, l and I and shins K.
24:03
I love Santos Butch and Ricochet as well, but I think to me those
24:07
three are the favorites. Yeah. I once again, I always kind of
24:11
look at like who looks like a world champion in addition to being just a
24:17
great wrestler. But who looks at the park And as much as we love
24:21
Shinsk, can you put Shinsky? You know on well used to be Regions
24:25
and Kelly. I don't know who the hell does the morning shows anymore,
24:27
but you know we you know it was it's Kelly and the guy for American
24:34
Idol. Last it was I believe it's her husband. Now it's what I'm
24:37
seeing. Mark. Oh, Kelly and Mark. That's the name of the
24:41
show. That's all okay, So Kelly and Mark, that's it sounds like
24:47
that, It sounds like it just it sounds like a gospel group in the
24:49
nineteen seventy two. Um. But yeah, it's really you know, if
24:53
Damian Priest wins, Damian Priest could actually be a great promo guy. We've
24:56
seen that elevation with like I don't know, Damian Priests in some ways reminds
25:02
me like a blend of Dwayne, Like he's got an it factored to him
25:08
that you just can't teach and then La Night of course to get maybe one
25:12
of the best talkers in the business right now. So like either one of
25:17
those guys can carry a title belt, look good at a suit and tie
25:19
and go out there and parade around in front of people to get them to
25:22
come by into watching the wrestling show. So I mean, yeah, I
25:26
would say Elie for me, Elie Night one priest too, And you're probably
25:29
in reverse. So question in regards to this match, right, you and
25:33
I two three weeks ago, you know, would would give aw grief for
25:41
the four Pillars match that they did, and that was pushing four new stars
25:45
that we knew basically nothing about five years ago. Here we are now and
25:49
de wie Uee is doing a similar approach where they're pushing six stars now.
25:53
Granted we everybody kind of knew who some of these folks were. Damian Priests
25:59
punish him, our teams, La Night and Schinsk. Ricochet was out there
26:03
as well. Santos Escobar had a run butch had a run over in the
26:07
UK, Like these were names that were known, but on a national level
26:11
we're not well known. Why are we more excited about this match from WWE
26:18
than we were for the a w four Pillars match for the World Championship.
26:23
I think for me, it's the style of the match, Like this money
26:29
the bank always kind of also has an element of luck involved into it.
26:33
So if you lose, if you don't win money in the bank, it
26:36
doesn't hurt your career. Where the four pillars match a I was worried that
26:41
whoever took the pinfall was going to take a hit. Secondly, at that
26:48
point, I didn't see the upside because in a way, if MJF one,
26:51
he was beating three of his youngest rivals, and you know, what
26:55
do you do coming out of that, and really they just almost I don't
26:59
want to say they ignored them match, is just that the all four guys
27:00
went in different directions with money of the bank. Like I said, it's
27:06
an element of luck. It's not like one guy who's going to Japan one
27:10
of their guys to win, so nobody gets hurt and the loss and I
27:11
think that's one reason. Two, we've seen how it's worked in the past
27:17
to help elevate guys up. Let the see Him Punks, that Daniel Bryan,
27:19
the Jeff Hardy's, you know, the edge golf stickler. We've seen
27:23
it help guys where in that situation. The only comparison I had to was
27:30
the WrestleMania that we had to had a Big Show Rock? Was it Mankind
27:33
and Stonehold usual about WrestleMania, Yeah, the four Corners was Triple H Rock
27:41
mc foley, Big Show. Yeah, so that was my only comparison,
27:45
And I mean, how when he came out of that match, Yeah,
27:48
it kind of pushed Big Show down a little bit, but those guys are
27:52
also on a different level. I like that was also part of the bill,
27:55
was your Buildings. That was a main event match, and really three
27:57
of the guys in that match have not been main event players. So I
28:02
don't know if Money in the Bank is the main of his name. Paper
28:06
is named after it, but I don't know if you because they're the Money
28:07
in the Bank match the main event of Money in the Bank when you have
28:12
other stuff going on around it, like Cody and Brock and Seth and Fin
28:17
and whatever we do with Roman and the Bloodline and stuff like that, Like,
28:19
I don't know what Mighty the Bank might be the fifth best match on
28:25
Money in the Bank. So I was giving thought to my own question here
28:30
right, like why are we more excited about this one? And I think
28:32
anybody who was a true aw homer would be like, let's because you guys
28:34
always saw it with DVD WW and you hate AW, which is completely not
28:40
true at all. Love AW as well, But when you look at the
28:45
AW Four Pillars match, we felt like, creatively, some of those guys
28:48
did not deserve to be in that match. When you look at money in
28:52
the bank, none of those guys are main eventures right now. But the
28:57
belief that one of them will be a main event or coming out of that
29:00
match has us as wresting fans excited, And I think that's probably the different
29:04
there is, Like the Four Pillars was forced on us, This was organically
29:11
produced, and once the realization came in, like hey, these are people
29:15
that are upper mid carters maybe mid carter or upper mid carters, and one
29:18
of them will come out of this with a potential chance to become a world
29:21
champion, that has as excited. And these are six people that we genuinely
29:25
like and want to see build rather than being pushed down our throats. Four
29:30
pillars that maybe the fans just cannot relate to. Overall, if Sammy or
29:37
Jungle Boy or Darby had won that match, would we feel different about it
29:41
because wouldn't that person be a main eventer? I feel like if Sammy won
29:45
the match. I would be happy Darby won the match. I'd be happy
29:49
jungle Boy would be the one that I wasn't. So if Sammy or Darby
29:55
won, would we feel differently about that match? Like you and I went
29:57
to that match, it's fully believing that it was MJF. Nobody else really
30:00
had shot Ye if Sammy or Darby had won the match and we were in
30:06
that match was actually it was good match, very good And if Dammy Darby
30:08
had won, like we'd probably be like, man, that was actually a
30:11
fantastic match, and put it would now Sammy's a main inventor. No MJF
30:15
has to chase Sammy down to get his belt back, maybe we'd feel different
30:18
about it. But I think the way it was put together and the way
30:22
it was booked leading into it, where you didn't really have that belief that
30:27
three of the guys in that match deserve to be in the main event match.
30:30
That's where the hold up was. But you know, Sammy has shocked
30:34
the world or Darby has shocked the world. That won the match, would
30:37
like dear God, that was great and aw surprised us so so looking more
30:41
than anything else, Like with that match, right, MJF made sense why
30:45
it was there. Darby felt like a main event player. The thing with
30:48
Sammy during the beginning that feud felt like he was out of place, but
30:52
that feud actually helped to build him up. And like I've said recently,
30:56
like you can make a case and I think he's a baby face again,
31:00
jungle Boy was the one that never like made any movement. Like for me,
31:04
I think jungle Boy comes off more helish than anything and more unlikable coming
31:11
out of it because his characters kind of boring, his personality is kind of
31:15
boring. I feel like this is creatively pushing him to become a heel.
31:19
I feel like that is ultimately what pays off. Just you know, we're
31:23
recording this during Dynamites, so maybe he's turned heal tonight for all I know
31:26
by the time this is downloaded. But that's the expectation for me, is
31:30
that he is creatively being pushed heal organically we pushed Heal with And that's how
31:37
it felt about that match, where by the end of it, like three
31:40
people felt like they belonged, one didn't, Mund the bank all six of
31:45
these people don't feel like they belong in the world. Title picture presently,
31:48
but you know, some of them, most of them, all of them.
31:52
Rustling fans could be like, I would love to see Santo Seskabar in
31:56
a main event, few and Butching a main event, few, Damian prec
31:57
in a main event, feud, et cetera. But now once you see
32:00
it out there and there's that like, Okay, wow, who's going to
32:04
get that choice by creative to be in that next echelon, that's pretty exciting
32:08
And that was great matches was that this match was supposed to help push the
32:19
next echelon up. Yeah. Absolutely, That's why I was. You know,
32:22
when you reference from the past title winners, I mean, of course
32:24
you had your your brock Lesner at Anomaliesy they haven't looked seth Rawlins was money
32:30
in the bank and cashed in and it was one of the hudd of the
32:32
century. You know. Yeah, there's been a couple other guys that have
32:35
won and you're like, damn that happened, But I mean, hell,
32:37
Rob van dam getting the shot against John Cena one of the most memorable matches
32:43
in WW history. You know, Brian danil Due Daniel, Brian cashing In
32:46
and Jackson Judd super Dolph's sicular cashing in. No, you said, Jack
32:50
Swiger, that made sense too, Yeah, but I mean his run was
32:53
pretty bad. But I mean, yeah, we've had Kane win and some
32:57
other guys win, but really that was always the shot for guys to get
33:01
elevated into main events status and prove or whether or not they get belong So
33:06
I think that's why we also make cut some slack, you know, just
33:12
because of the history of this match into what it's done as well. To
33:15
me, the purpose of the money Bank briefcase match, whether it be for
33:17
men or women, is to push a new star and put them up at
33:22
that echelon and give them an opportunity and run with a championship. And that's
33:25
always been very exciting, whether it be Cmpunk, whether it be Dolf Sickler,
33:30
whether it be the Miz. Like, that's the purpose of this live
33:34
Morgan Carmela, Like, you want to see somebody that you least expect to
33:37
become a world champion have that opportunity, and it's been kind of lost a
33:42
little bit here and there over the years, but now you're stilling with this
33:44
match, like six fresh faces never been in a World championship feud never been
33:49
a world champion. I know people are probably screaming, well, what about
33:52
Shin's case runs NXC champion. I get it, but this is we were
33:55
talking about. They don't acknowledge that this World championship. So I'm excited about
34:00
it and I love to see that there are no formal world champions in that
34:04
match. I'm looking forward in the Monday Bank in just a couple of weeks.
34:07
And then, lastly, speaking of excitement, Doctor Trey, it hit
34:10
me this past Saturday. I was like, Wow, this is the last
34:14
Saturday Night where there is no professional wrestling on television for maybe the rest of
34:17
my life. This upcoming Saturday AW Saturdaynight Collision TNT the return of cmpunk.
34:25
He'll be teaming with FTR to take on Bullet Club Gold and Samoa Jail.
34:30
That's j White and Juice Robinson. I simply ask you, are you excited
34:35
for AW Saturday Night Collision? Are you excited for another night out of your
34:38
week to sit down and watch professional wrestling? Well, first of all,
34:42
I'm not gonna be able to watch it because I am in the business and
34:45
so I have a show I have to do so and it's also my anniversary.
34:49
So there really the worst night they could have picked. But I'm intrigued.
34:59
They have my mouth watering a little bit to see what they do.
35:01
I don't know if I'm excited, but I'm I'm oh god, what's the
35:06
most overused phrase that we use here, I'm cautiously optimistic about what this collision
35:12
brings to us because it is, Look, we may get on this guy's
35:15
case and we have this weird love hate relationship with but like see him.
35:19
Punk's good for wrestling. He always creates something that makes people talk. So
35:23
and the more eyes that you get coming to AW is better for everybody involved.
35:29
So and then you know, getting FDR in the main event. Jeff's
35:34
excited, is ja White's in the main event? I mean, all these
35:36
things are coming together for this first show, and so it's kind of a
35:39
mini perfect storm for anyw just with this match alone. So yeah, I'm
35:45
I don't know if I'm saying exciting. I'm not giddy, you know,
35:47
but uh, I'm feeling pretty good. Jeff feeling pretty good. Yeah,
35:52
I'm gonna be honest, I wouldn't say I'm I'm I'm not excited. I
35:57
think there's an oversaturation Professional Round right now on the market. Docs Tray,
36:01
I don't like knowing that on Saturday Night there's going to be a show and
36:07
it's gonna be a DVR show basically for a lot of folks, including myself.
36:10
And while I love the sport that is professional wrestling, it's another night
36:15
of the week where another show is on, and um, you know there's
36:20
a possibility that one out of every four shows is really good. I just
36:25
I just think that there's so much oversaturation Mondays with Raw, Tuesdays with NXT,
36:30
Wednesdays with Dynamite, Thursday with if you watch it Impact Wrestling or New
36:35
Japan, Fridays with SmackDown and Rampage, and now Saturday with Collision, and
36:39
then if you watch Sundays Superstar Sundays in A and E, there's in depth
36:45
of wrestling stuff going on. Dutch Tray, I don't. I don't.
36:52
I don't think we need this added layer to it. I gotta be honest
36:53
with you. As a wrestling fan, if I was just an AW fan,
36:58
this makes total sense. But as a've sen fan that watches everything,
37:00
I think this is too much. Well, it's a little bit like we've
37:04
talked about in the past. Is it's a little bit of the all you
37:07
can eat buffet right now era pro wrestling, where it just kind of depends
37:09
what your flavor of choice is, like what you're going to watch, and
37:15
you know, some of us are conditioned to always watch Raw and Monday nights,
37:17
and you know, watching anything else is kind of like, okay,
37:21
where's the priority list? And but for the for the show itself or for
37:24
fans of AW like, I think it's great because now they get an extra
37:29
couple of hours of television time, they can do some storytelling, elevate some
37:32
people that haven't been on TV. I mean, we're probably getting Mirror back
37:36
and I love missa Mirro, you know on drawd as me back at some
37:38
point, like Collision might be a little bit more WWE than what you know
37:45
Dynamite is. And for those fans who have been conditioned for an eight or
37:47
for a WW product, hey, this might be the right show for them
37:51
as well. Yeah. I mean again, let me split this up.
37:53
As a wrestling fan that watches a lot of wrestling, this is it's this
37:59
is a little bit of a gott to be totally honest. As an ae
38:02
W fan, this makes a ton of sense. They needed to do this
38:07
with the way that the roster was. If I was just a standalone aw
38:09
fan, they watched Dynamite and Rampage and now added a collision. It's like,
38:15
Okay, this is great because now, like doctor Trey said Miro Andreid
38:17
Alida Low thunder Rose, Scorpio, Sky, Samoa, Joe, Cmpunk,
38:22
whoever Powerhouse ops Like, now they're getting an opportunity to shine more than the
38:28
three hour window that they have with two hours of Dynamite in the one hour
38:31
of Rampage, which has kind of been a throwaway show. So I look
38:35
at it in two different ways. Wrestling fan who does a wrestling podcast,
38:38
It's like, oh my god, another two hours. Aw fan love it
38:43
so split personality. I feel like I'm two faced from Batman. Doctor Trey,
38:47
Well, his last name was Harvey Dent and that's actually the last name
38:50
is my birth name. So they go, it's just all full circle at
38:53
the end of the day. Somehow we always get back to one another.
38:55
Unfortunately, there are no comic book book character that are PG that were had
39:00
the last name pack So or at least pack in it. That's for other
39:05
adult type Marvel comments, I guess so, no, there there's the great
39:09
Gregory Peck. So you know, great Pat. That's true. He great
39:13
actor. And didn't the writer of Moby Dick. Wasn't that Peck? I
39:19
don't know. Now we're talking about literature, which is that's for literature casts
39:22
that we do. Dude, I live in Jeff, I live in Alabama.
39:24
You know I can't read true? That is true. He actually the
39:27
book is upside down and you gotta turn at this point, doctor Trey,
39:30
and there we go, my friend. So there you go, Saturday Collision.
39:34
We will talk about that on next week's show. And speaking of the
39:37
upcoming schedule, next week June twenty second, we will preview and predict AW
39:42
and New Japan Pro Wrestlings Prevents Presents Fourbidendoor twenty twenty three. Two weeks from
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now, we will preview and predictivity Were Mine in the Bank two thousand and
39:50
twenty three, and we'll look at the two thy twenty three SRTU Award Show
39:52
candidates at the halfway point of the year. And then three weeks from now
39:57
July the sixth, we recap and review with aw New Japan Forben and Door
40:01
and ww Money in the Bank twenty twenty three. Now you may be asking
40:05
yourself, wait, why are they recapping Foreben and Door two weeks after it
40:08
airs? Yours truly is getting married. That's me on the week of that
40:15
June twenty ninth, So we're going to be in a pre recording mode.
40:19
We will do the best we can to bring you normal programming here for SRTU,
40:23
but it just won't be timely enough where we could sit down and preview
40:27
and predict Forben and Door and Money the Bank for you. So sometimes life
40:30
gets in the way. This is obviously something that I think all married men
40:35
can relate to. I just cannot get away and go, hey, I'm
40:37
going to record a podcast the week that we're married. That's just not going
40:43
to work. So bear with me, folks, and we'll get it all
40:45
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40:51
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40:52
seven hundred, seven hundredth episode. Isn't that mind boggling? We're in the
40:59
seven hundred club almost, Yeah, this is this is six ninety six.
41:04
What's the seven hundred club? There's the old religious show with Pat Robertson back
41:08
in the day called the seven hundred Club. Was it seven hundred or eight
41:10
hundred? Yeah, that was seven hundred Club. Yeah. Okay, well
41:14
there you go. So for the next hundred episodes, we just get religious.
41:19
Uh, we just go straight into a seven mode from a way back
41:22
in the idea was it wasn't that the character's name that the aply anti Hundertaker
41:27
Dustin Rhodes character. No, no, no, Uh, Kevin Thorne's character,
41:31
Mordecai Mordecaiven seven was Dustin Rhodes. And yeah, so Mordica, we
41:37
go straight. Mordecai, we go straight. Uh, Ministry of Darkness.
41:42
That's all we do is just recap any religious gimmick and wrestling history for one
41:45
hundred shows. Yeah, top one hundred religious characters. So I guess we'll
41:51
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41:53
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