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History of the Military Remote Viewing Programs · Ryder Lee

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and that's usually why I'm not always in the chat for those of you
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who don't know. Anyway, as we approach the eclipse, as we approach
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Easter, as we approach the burning season of April and Meltane, I want
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to go back to something we discussed earlier in March, something that we discussed
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on March eighth, something we haven't discussed before that for probably about five or
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six years, and that is the subject of remote viewing. And the reason
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I brought this subject up in early March was because the Future Forecasting Group or
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Remote Viewing Group remote viewed something that they termed the rapture, like the Chris
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Rapture, and that same future forecasting group also forecasted also remote viewed some sort
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of economic financial destruction, some sort of apocalyptic like Armageddon like event. Last
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year. Of course that didn't happen. And what they remote viewed just a
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few weeks ago regarding the Rapture, well, I don't think that's going to
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happen either, because if you read what these remote viewers are actually seen last
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year in twenty twenty three, they witnessed stuff falling from the sky, They
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saw small particles in the air, explosions, and for the Rapture, which
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is a second remote viewing session, they saw sort of similar type things,
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stuff falling down from the sky, some big e whatever that's supposed to mean.
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Everything is a big event. You know, what happened in Moscow recently
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is a big event. Everything's a big event. And so during this Rapture
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remote viewing session, they basically saw some of the same stuff they saw during
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the twenty twenty three remote viewing session where they remote viewed some financial collapse or
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something like that. And I couldn't help but think that when stuff comes down
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from the sky, for hundreds, for thousands of years, we've seen that
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as either the rays of sunlight, or we've seen that as the morning do.
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Alchemists see the morning do as a form of alchemical gold. It's something
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that is a byproduct of the workings of the unconscious and subconscious while we sleep.
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That morning dew is said to fall from the beard or the head of
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the Grand Architect. So those are all chemical terms. If you read Carl
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Jung, he talks about euphology and UFOs and people having dreams of UFOs and
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people having interactions with UFOs, and of course UFOs fall down from the heavens
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in the same way that Raw in Egypt, his sunboat, his sun disc,
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his flying disc quite literally moves across the sky and then in the evening
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it crashes, like nineteen forty seven Roswell, and we don't know where the
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sun goes. It's this mysterious unknown object that disappears. So later we get
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the idea of the black sun. The black sun is sort of the explanation
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for where the sun goes. It goes into the underworld. So the sun
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falls out of the sky each evening the sky becomes blackened or darkened. This
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is something you can read in the Bible as well the end times, both
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of each day, of each month, of each season, of each larger
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and larger cycle. So when those things come down from the sky, they
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could be blessed. They could be the warmth and light and nurturing essence of
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the Sun. They could be the personified Sun and the personified chariot of the
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Sun god raw which falls to the earth, or as Carl Jung talks about
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in his Uphology essays, he discusses people having dreams of these tear drop shapes
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which fall down to the earth. And those tear drops are again they're like
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water, right, They're like water, They're like rays of sun light.
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The water is nurturing and necessary for life. So there's a lot of archetypical
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things here. And when you look at something like the rapture without remote viewing,
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the idea of the rapture, the idea of armageddon, the idea of
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apocalypse, these are things that have far more to do provably, far more
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to do with the changing of the seasons, far more to do with the
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changing of human realization of what we are and what life is. It has
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a lot more to do with the dark knight of the soul than it does
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with some futuristic dystopian end of Days where Jesus literally comes down on a physical
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cloud and says, how you Dawn, I'm here to save you, and
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then takes you up to heaven. And I mean, that's the modern euphological
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lore is basically the same thing. Right. The aliens are going to come
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save us from this total destruction of the earth, especially during the end the
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end times armageddon, big global nuclear war. People believe that's going to be
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the fire that engulfs the Earth. So I was thinking when I was reading
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this about the rapture remote viewing, how is it you can remote view something
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that is a metaphor. Now they don't know they're remote viewing the rapture,
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but how can you remote view something that's a metaphor? The answer is you
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can't. And if you are remote viewing something that's in the collective conscious or
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the collective unconscious, you're probably going to see very archtypical things, which is
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why whether the Future Forecasting group is looking at a financial collapse or they're looking
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at the rapture, in both cases last year and this year. More recently,
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they were looking at things falling from the sky and things exploding and things
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coming apart. Those are all symbols of heavenly influences or fire raining down from
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the heavens, like in Egypt. They're all examples of things coming to party
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and coming back together. That's nature, that's everything, that's life. We
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die, we resurrect it, like the dying God myths all over the world.
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So I don't find that remote viewing is hardly ever. I don't know
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if I've ever heard anybody talk about remote viewing from the standpoint of arctypical symbolism.
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That's my assessment. I think that's what a lot of remote viewing is,
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because they're seeing the same things. Now, however it is that they're
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seeing the same things, it's probably because again artypically, we all tend to
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think and see the world in a very different way, but also fundamentally in
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a very very symbolic way. And I don't know. In my viewpoint,
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I think that that's where a lot of this stuff comes from. But there's
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also there's also people that quote unquote remote view who I don't know if they're
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actually remote viewing so much as they are engaging in some form of almost like
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automatic writing. Because listen, I know of at least one woman who I
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saw her. She's a very famous woman. I won't say her name right
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now, but she read a book on remote viewing, literally read a book
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on remote viewing. I saw her reading the book and remote viewing at a
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conference, and then the next year she was a remote viewing expert, and
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I thought, is it really that simple? You read a book on remote
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viewing and then you suddenly developed that ability. Now, some people would argue
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everybody has the ability to remote view I'd say, okay, possibly, maybe
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that's the case. Maybe everybody has that ability, but I think everybody also
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has a different definition of remote viewing is what it is, because I have
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a different definition of what remote viewing is when I learn about how people are
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doing the remote viewing. So we know that there is a governmental military intelligence
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connection to remote viewing, and we are going to discuss that tonight with our
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guest Rider Lee, a good friend of mine. He is the host of
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Raised by Giants on YouTube, and that is Raised by Giants, Raised by
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Giants on YouTube. He has me on his show quite frequently, and we
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like to get him on the secret Teachings, or I should say I like
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to get him on the Secret Teachings as often as possible. Rider, Lee,
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my good friend, how are you? Thank you for coming on the
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show. Thanks so much for having me on. Ryan really appreciate it,
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and I'm looking forward to diving deep into this Army intelligence DA Stargate removed viewing
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Psychic Spy program with you. But it's interesting. It almost sounds like why
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two K wasn't everything that you just explained what people thought was going to happen
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during Y two K? Like things falling from the sky, electronics plans falling
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out of the sky, electronics failing. Yes, it's the times are always
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the same, everything fault. That's basically the sky falls. It's chicken little.
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But you brought up a really good point in there, is that can
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you remote view something like that that is not verified to even It's like a
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lady that we know, you know, remote viewing the Mall aliens one.
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There's no proof that there was even extraterrestrial aliens at the mall in Miami,
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but she's remote viewing it. So is that like her perception of the event.
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And another thing is that people don't realize the way the remote viewing actually
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works. You can't know what you're remote viewing in order to get accurate details
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about it. Right. You can't say, oh, I want to remote
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view the Miami Mall and I'll see what's going on there. That's not the
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way the remote viewing works. It's blind. You have to be blind.
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You can't know the target. The person that is giving you the information more
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than likely shouldn't know target. It's a double blind test. That's what SRI,
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That's what Ingo Swan started. That's the scientific method of getting accurate information.
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They give you a number, right, but really the number doesn't actually
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technically mean anything. It's uh. They give you a coordinate and then you
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remove you that coordinate. It's uh. You just can't be like, Okay,
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well I want to remove you where you are right now, Ryan,
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Like, I'm sitting here in my house. You're sitting at your house.
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I'm going to remote view you while I'm seeing you and see all your surroundings
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and tell you what your house looks like. That's not the way that it
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works, and it's it's unbelievable that people think that that is the way that
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it works. And they obviously have no idea what remote vieing is or how
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remove youing works and that's a big reason why. And I'm glad that you
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brought me on today because I've done like a huge history of remote viewing in
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the history of the Stargate Project and the DIA and Army Intelligence psych expY program
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which started in nineteen seventy eight. And I've interviewed and spoken with several verified
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official personnel that were in the Stargate project, right, and it wasn't called
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Stargate in the beginning, it was called Gondola Wish. And see, there's
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so many people that claim to be a part of these programs, like a
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bunch of want to be people that and they can't even tell you what the
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original name of the program was. You know. I've spoken with doctor David
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Morehouse, Angela Ford, doctor Paul Smith, Lim Buchanan, and the director
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of the Stargate Project itself who actually coined the term Stargate project, well,
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Stargate, Dale Graft, and they're all very in the Stargate Project unit.
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And you can look into each one of their backgrounds and see that they were
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all in the unit, which actually I have a list here that I'm actually
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going to bring up. I know that this is going to be audio,
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but I just want to show it so you get to see it. Right.
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Here's a list of all the people that were in the Stargate DIA Army
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Intelligence Unit, and there's only twenty of them. First one is Trent,
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second one is Kent Bell, third is Joe mcmonagle, Paul Ah Smith,
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Meliley, Lim Buchanan, Charlene Cavanaugh, Brett call Ward, Robin d David
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Morehouse, Greg SF Holmes Atwater, Linda A. Gene Lessman, Tom m
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Fern, Gavin, Angela de Gabriel, Patent Gal Ed Dames, and Bill
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Ray. So those are the people that were in the original program. Well,
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we're going to going to get into that because there's a lot of name
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changes and a lot of different name changes of the program and it switches back
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and forth between different agencies. You can look here when it first started.
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For the first it has the dates of the people that are just listening to
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this on audio. It has the dates of when they came in. So
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January nineteen seventy nine is when Army Intelligence officially opened this program. So the
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people that started in seventy nine were a part of the original crew. So
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you only have two people that started in nineteen seventy nine. Now they started
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it. They actually just started doing things for the program in seventy eight,
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which we're going to get into that, but there wasn't any personnel in it
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that actually remove viewing psychics until seventy nine. And what was what was this
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Army intelligence? Who began this? What agency? What group? What branch?
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That's the that's the whole, that's the whole thing, And it gets
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very convoluted, and really where it all starts is uh. And this might
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not seem important to some people that may be listening to this, but it's
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very important to me, you know, because it's you know, it's really
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understanding how all of this became a thing in the history and the name changes
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and the funding and really the apparatus of the entire thing. So really quickly,
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I just want to comment on a little bit more on the people that
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claim to be a part of this program that isn't. So in order to
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be a part of the Stargate Remove Viewing Psychic Spy Unit, for me,
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you would have to have a military record of your involvement because it was a
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military program. So not only are these people that are claiming to be a
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part of the program. If you're the name was not on that list and
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the names of the people that I just read out, you were not a
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part of this program, And you're also committing a crime. You're committing a
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crime of stolen valor, right, claiming things that can absolutely be verified that
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you were never a part of Right, you're pretending to be in the military.
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That's the first misstep of these people. And there's a lot of them.
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Would they use this name Stargate as a way to bolster themselves up and
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claim that they were a part of this program when they weren't, right,
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Would some of those people in your experience that you've talked to in relation to
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remote viewers that aren't in really weren't in those programs. Have anybody anybody ever
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talked to said, well I was in the program, but they wiped my
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record. That seems to be a very hot topic in these types of discussions.
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Well I was in the program, but they wipe my record. They
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don't want anybody to know that I was in the program. Well, see,
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people, some people that claim that are really hard headed about it.
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I've confronted a lot of them, and they normally back down. Whenever I
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send them that list that I just showed, the only twenty people were ever
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in this program. So how were you ever in this program? They,
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some of them, the hard headed people, will say well there was a
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program underneath this program that was experimenting on children or whatever. Like they'll say
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that. They'll be like, oh, well, it's really strange because whenever
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I was younger, they took me out of school, there was a weird
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military official or a CIA agent, and they would take me out of school
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and they would go to this other school and there we would be remove viewing
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blah blah blah blah blah, be teaching us all these psychic abilities. Sounds
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like montak a little bit. That's right, and it's it's lore and it's
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uh in its fairy tales. There's I've asked almost every single one of the
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official people that I just named, Limbu Cannon, Dell Grav, doctor David
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Moorehouse, doctor Paul Smith, Angela Ford. I've asked all of them personally
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on my show if kids were ever involved in these programs, and they said,
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absolutely not, because it's illegal. They can't do it. Military can't
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do it, you know, And so what I really want to get into
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here, and it's just important to give a reminder that really everything that I'm
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going to be talking about is verified in a document titled Defense Intelligence Agency Sunstreak
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Unclassified Briefing Document, and I'll also kind of be referencing a declassified SRI Syndicate
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document from nineteen seventy three. So can I ask you a question before you
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go into the details. I want to clarify something for myself, for the
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audience, and then just in general for this conversation. So when we talk
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about something like remote viewing and you're telling me that, well, they can't
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use children because it's illegal, and some people might claim, well, there
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were subprojects and that's what I was in, I want to clarify my stance
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and I want you to respond to this please. My viewpoint is it's not
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so much that I trust the military to tell me the truth, or I
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trust the DiiA to tell me the truth, or whatever the agency is or
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the group. My issue is in regard to remote viewing, people treat this
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like it's some sort of skill that you can pick up, like playing an
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instrument, Like it's something that you can just go down to a store and
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buy it like it's an item, or people treat this like without without having
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any evidence whatsoever, they treat it as if it's some kind of superpower that
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they can just tap into and like Superman and fly around. So my issue
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is not so much that I trust the government, It's that I distrust a
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majority of the people in the euphological New Age, et cetera, communities that
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everybody seems to have superpowers and magical abilities but never has the ability to actually
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prove any of those things. So does that make sense. I'd like you
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to kind of maybe respond to that before we go into the details. Well,
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if you read through the documents that I have, which I got them
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from a former retired DoD Asset intelligence officer that sent them all to me on
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a disk, and there's something very real about it now, regardless if you
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believe it or not believe it. There's detailed descriptions of how this works.
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There's detailed drawings that these people have, mostly pop Price and Ingo Swan.
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There's detaileds like areas that they have remote viewed and wind speed and altitude and
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like the surrounding area what it looks like very great detail that they possibly could
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not have known. So there's something to the remote viewer, but the remote
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viewing aspect in these psanchic abilities. But I do not believe that everybody that
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claims that they can do it can't actually do it. That's why I brought
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on all of the remote viewers that would possibly come on my show that was
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officially a part of this program. Now that's not saying that they may not
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at some point try and blow a little smoke up your butt every once in
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a while, But for the most part, I know for a fact that
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they were in the program, they did what they said that they did,
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and that they can and did remote view things. I mean, the program
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lasted from seventy eight to ninety five. So my only question is if nothing
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was ever, nothing ever came of remote viewing, then why did the military
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keep that program open from seventy eight to ninety five. That is a long
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long time to keep a program open if it's not viable. Exactly, if
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they weren't getting any good intelligence data out of it, if it wasn't working
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the way that they wanted it to work, then why would they keep it
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open that long. It doesn't make any sense. If even didn't work,
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they would have shut it down within a couple of years, right, or
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even if it did, they might have shut it down and changed the name
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of it and kept it under wraps, if you know, just as even
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if it was shut down within a year or two, they could have just
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changed the name and kept it under wraps. But you know, so,
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the reason I wanted to pause you and prevent you from going into the explicit
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details first is because they're just a few things I wanted to clean up because
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I know that people are going to say, well, I don't necessarily trust
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the government. I don't necessarily trust people in the midile terry. And that's
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fine, Okay, I get that. What I'm saying is I would I
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would trust people like mister Morehouse far more than I would people like lily Nova,
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because Lily Nova says that she remote viewed aliens at the Mall in Miami.
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I don't trust lily Nova. I don't know mister Morehouse. I had
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his book, and I read a little bit of this book. I haven't
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had time to finish it, but I trust him a lot more than I
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trust lily Nova. That's what I'm getting at here. Yeah, that's exactly
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right, And That's why I'm not ever going to bring any on any remote
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viewers that just self proclaimed that they can remote view these things, because one
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they haven't been trained to do it. Like this was an official military program.
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Ingo Swan made a pretty much a guideline on how to remote you and
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he taught a lot of these army intelligence, well army personnel on the correct
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way to do it. So you know where did these people learn how to
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do it? You know, did they just read a remote viewing book like
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you were mentioning earlier, and then all of a sudden, magically they're able
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to remove you and they're super accurate, and they're experts on it. They're
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experts. So we're going to skip the two breaks at the midpoint of the
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hours here tonight, you're listening to the secret Teachings. I'm Ryan Gable.
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We have writer Lee with as a good friend of mine. He's also the
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host of Raised by Giants on YouTube. So as you go into the details
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here, I'll pass the mic to you. I wanted to ask you one
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last question just to kind of clean clean up the details and get some context
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and perspective. Is there a similarity, Is there a relationship in your knowledge
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between remote viewing and something like biolocation. Do you know anything about that?
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Yeah, biolocation is like a it was like a meditative practice. I mean,
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it goes under a bunch of different names, and some people would call
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that a projection. But I think you mean like biolocation as in you're actually
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able, because there's a bunch of different terms of terminology. But I think
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what you're meaning is like biolocation, as in, you can actually manifest a
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physical body outside of the one that you're already in, right, Like that,
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you can project and create a physical body outside of your own. Yes,
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it might be etheroric because I've heard in remote viewing practices people say that
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they've remote viewed a group of people, or let's say aliens, and those
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aliens were very aware that there was someone remote viewing them, almost as if
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they had looked right at them and saw them standing there. So that's what
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made me think that there's some sort of connection between biolocation and remote viewing.
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But yes, to answer your question, that's what I mean. I would
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think that that would be the next step in the next application for a past
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just being there psychically, because this is an old not really not so much,
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maybe a myth kind of within the Native American tribes. And it's said
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that some of these Native Americans were able to do that, but they weren't
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able to actually manifest a human body outside of themselves, but they were able
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to take on the appearance of an animal. That's where you get the thoughts
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and the ideas and the origin of the skin walker. It's supposedly really just
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a human being taking on a physical animal form from being in a super deep
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meditation. So you go into a super deep meditation, you're able to physically
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manifest another physical being, whether that be an animal or another human being,
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to go out and be able to interact with the environment and do things.
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That's a really interesting question, really interesting rabbit hole to go down. But
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I who knows it could be possible. Well, we could ask, we
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could ask Lily Nova. Maybe she can help us out. So rider Lely
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is our guest this evening and from well, we're about at the halfway point
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of the first of two hours tonight on the Secret Teaching. So writer,
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why don't you go ahead and take the mic. I'll ask questions, but
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give us the rundown of those documents that you received from I believe you said
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the DoD. Yeah, it was from a DoD secretary. Actually, so
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pretty much all of the military services have been all one time or another been
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involved with this remove ing in psycho energetics. And now that doesn't mean that
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they all ran their own programs, because this is another common misconception that we're
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going to get into here a little later on as well. But what I
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mean is that they were all involved, is that they would give tasking to
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Army Intelligence and DIA, does not mean that they all ran separate programs.
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Because this is a very misconstrued and misrepresented thing because people when they talk about
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the Stargate project, they they the CIA. There was a CIA that did
29:21
it. No, they didn't. It had nothing to do with the CIA.
29:22
Now, the CIA may have given tasking to Army Intelligence and DIA to
29:30
use their psychics or their remote viewers to whatever they needed them to do,
29:36
to find something, to scan an area for foreign intelligence, collect information on
29:41
blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Right, but the CIA never had
29:47
a remote viewing program. That's important to throw right out the gate because everyone
29:53
anytime that people that have no idea what they're talking about always lumped the CIA
30:00
in with this program when it was never a CIA program. So where all
30:06
this starts is with SRI Stanford Research Institute. But the government was also doing
30:11
studies on parapsychology much earlier than SRI as well. They did it with Duke
30:19
University in the thirties, they did it with a Parapsychology Foundation in New York
30:25
in the fifties, they did it with Mind Science Foundation in the sixties,
30:29
and other research foundations and centers earlier than SRI. But the thing they kicked
30:36
it off was SRI in the early seventies. So it's important to get a
30:41
little background on SRI here because it's important. So SRI's first project was an
30:51
investigation project to see whether a plant could be used as a source of natural
30:56
rubbert, so from nineteen forty two to nineteen forty six. That funding was
31:03
cut by Congress after World War II ended, and SRI's first economic study was
31:11
for the United States Air Force. So this is important to establish because it's
31:17
establishing that SRI is a private government contractor. So they were looking for maybe
31:22
some sort of organic or maybe synthetic or a derivative of both rubber because we
31:27
were lacking that during World War Two. When the war ends, they lose
31:32
their funding because we don't need all that rubber anymore. And then they go
31:36
into another area of investigation as a basically as a contracted or private group.
31:41
Exactly correct, that's right. So when forty seven, the Air Force wanted
31:45
the contracted SRI to determine the expansion potential of of the US aircraft industry.
31:55
So SRI found that it would take too long to escale this production in some
32:01
form of in an emergency. So then in nineteen forty eight, SRI began
32:07
research and consultation with Chevron Corporation to develop an artificial substitute for coconut oil and
32:15
soap production, which is really interesting as well. So again the reason for
32:22
mentioning all this is to establish that SRI is a government contractor, and most
32:29
government contractors we know are a front for the intelligence community. And is also
32:36
establishing that SRI worked for the Air Force prior, which is very important when
32:40
we get into things here later on. So SRI formerly separated from Stanford University
32:50
in nineteen seventy and then well it didn't it formerly separated in nineteen seventy,
32:57
but didn't become known as SRI International until nineteen seventy seven, so they were
33:02
separated, but the name hadn't changed. The name didn't change until nineteen seventy
33:07
seven. So in nineteen seventy two, the US Army Surgeon General through the
33:15
Medical Intelligence Information Agency, together with the DA, they published these studies on
33:23
Soviet Bloc work in psycho energetics, and also in that same year SRI Stanford
33:31
Research Institute started their research on psycho energetics. In nineteen seventy two, with
33:38
how put Off and Russell Tark they did a series of investigations of the psychic
33:46
phenomena which was sponsored and funded by the CIA and had consciousness researchers such as
33:57
Ingo Swan and Pat Price. So so let me ask you this then,
34:00
to clarify something here for listeners, I think I know what you're saying.
34:05
But when people talk about how it was a CIA program, that would be
34:08
like saying, if you watch an NHL hockey game because they're sponsored by let's
34:14
say, you know, a rental car company, that the rental car company
34:16
is in control of the NHL, It's like now they're a sponsor of the
34:21
NHL. That's exactly right. But SRI didn't really have anything to do with
34:25
Army Intelligence or DIA, though there's two separate things. SRI was the research
34:32
arm of the of Remote view in a psycho energetics, and the CIA did
34:39
fund it, and you're one completely grant because people have tried to come at
34:45
me with that. They're like, oh, well the CI I have funded
34:47
SRI, and I was like, well, just because of CIA funded it
34:50
doesn't mean that they're that they ran the program, right. That's like saying
34:55
that how many funders and investors does Netflix have? Do all of those funders
35:01
and all those people run Netflix? Yeah? That can We can get into
35:06
a sticky situation there with politics too, because people would say, well,
35:10
you know, ex politician received you know, a donation from whatever this group
35:15
is, and the donation could have been thirty dollars. Doesn't mean that they
35:19
control the politician because they gave them thirty dollars, you know what I mean?
35:22
That's right. So in nineteen seventy to a research project known as Syndicate,
35:30
which the document is dated nineteen seventy three. Syndicate was a SRI project
35:39
to determine if remote viewing psycho energetic phenomenon was real because if it was possible
35:46
that these test subjects at SRI could be using their mind and psychic powers to
35:54
collect information, could they be getting that information subliminally be getting that information on
36:00
a target from memory? Right, So they started running a bunch of tests,
36:07
and during the testing INGOs Swan was given a coordinate and he described some
36:14
kind of military base in the woods. The coordinate was then given to a
36:20
gentleman and businessman that was just referred to as Pat in the official documents,
36:28
but we now know his name is Pat Price. So when Pat Price got
36:31
the coordinate to verify Ingo Swan's remote viewing of this supposed military base, he
36:39
described the exact same thing, but in large detail. He described wind speed,
36:49
altitudes, surrounding areas, that it was an underground military base in West
36:54
Virginia. So how put off and Russell and all these sketches of the things
37:00
that he drew is in this SRI syndicate document. So how put off Russell
37:06
Tagg asked him to view this location again and see if he could get inside
37:10
the facility and look for documents to try and obtain code word information with his
37:20
mind with the psychic abilities, and he did right. He saw at the
37:25
at the on the top of the desk within the military base, he saw
37:31
papers labeled fly trap, mine run, and on a foul cabinet on the
37:37
north wall labeled Operation Pool, folders on the inside of the cabinet labeled q
37:44
ball, fourteen ball, four ball eight ball, and rack up, which
37:49
all he has to do is all code words for the game of pool.
37:52
But it's an intelligence freaking military base, you know, they use code words
37:57
for everything. And he said that the site vaguely seemed like it was named
38:02
Hayfork or Haystack, and he even got the names of the generals at the
38:07
facility. It was unbelievable. I'm reading this document, I'm like, holy
38:14
shit, this guy. I think one of them was named R. J.
38:17
Hamlin, Major General George Nash, Major John C. Calhoun. So
38:25
these are explicit details that are not derived from some unconscious memory or some archetype
38:32
or something to that effect. These are details that seem very explicit, and
38:37
it seems as if nobody who is engaged in that sort of remote viewing would
38:40
have any knowledge of those things beforehand. There's no ability for them to have
38:45
access to that information. They are accessing it remotely, that's exactly right.
38:50
And this got the attention of the DIA and Army intelligence and really all of
38:55
the intelligence and military community. They got interested in this phenomenon because it probably
39:01
scared the crap out of them, I personally believe, because if someone can
39:06
get access to a secretive, top secret military installation and get classified information with
39:15
just their minds, you know, then could our enemies do the same thing,
39:22
the same thing to us? Yeah, and how can we fast track
39:24
that so that we can do it to them quicker? Yes, So in
39:29
nineteen seventy six, the Missile Intelligence Agency informally expressed interest in the United States
39:38
replication of claimed Soviet experiments in psycho energetics because this is another supposed way that
39:46
the intelligence community got involved was they received intel that the Soviets were doing this
39:53
research as well. And this is at the height of the Cold War,
39:57
so initially they had to play. But I couldn't find any official documentation supporting
40:06
that Russia was using psychics and remote viewers. But that doesn't I mean,
40:13
there's mention of it, and I do have a Russian document, but the
40:20
Russian document, you know, talking about the study of remote viewing, but
40:24
nothing concrete claiming that the Soviets were using remote viewers to collect intelligence data on
40:32
other countries. But see, I've always heard that, and I've always heard
40:36
the US was very active and trying to access information remotely about what was going
40:42
on inside the Soviet Union. I would imagine it would be very difficult,
40:45
though, to get any of those records, no matter, no matter what
40:47
people believe about what the Soviets were doing. I would assume it's kind of
40:51
like trying to get stuff out of communist China. It's very difficult to get
40:54
access to it. Even if you're a citizen of that country. It's probably
40:58
almost impossible to get access to that kind of stuff. Go ahead, Yeah,
41:01
I almost kind of see it as a little bit of an excuse.
41:05
I mean, they could have been doing it. They might not have been
41:07
doing it, but it's a good excuse to start a program, because you
41:13
know, why would you do it if no other country was doing it.
41:16
So it seems like it was like, okay, well, let's take this
41:20
to our superiors. Let's take that that that Russia is, you know,
41:23
using psychics to spy on us. So before we got to do another program.
41:29
And what what year was this? This was in uh seventy six.
41:32
Okay, we'll see, that's still Cold War era. So anything about Russia
41:37
was based on fear and panic and paranoia. So of course if you took
41:43
that to your superiors and said, hey, the Russians are doing this,
41:45
well, we got to do it before them. Yeah, I mean there
41:50
is mention of it in the documents, and like I said, I do
41:52
have a Russian document that is that's a study document. I'd have to go
41:58
back and read through it again, but I don't leave that it mentions that
42:00
they're using remote viewers or psychics to spy on other countries. But I mean,
42:07
that's what everyone says. That's what all the remove viewers that I then
42:13
I brought on my show that was officially a part of the Stargate program say.
42:15
They say that the Army intelligence got into it and they opened up the
42:20
official program because the Soviets were doing it during the Cold War and they got
42:24
that intelligence data and brought it to the military and was like, oh,
42:29
well, we got to play catch up in this scenario. But it's a
42:31
really interesting thing. If you watch the men who stare at Goats movie.
42:36
I was going to ask you about that. Yeah, the which is based
42:39
on Lim Buchanan, which I've had on my show. The main character in
42:44
Minister at Goats is named Lynn. But they there's this funny clip in there.
42:51
I wish I could play it because it's really funny. But they're like
42:54
one of the generals goes in and talks to one of his superiors and was
42:58
like, oh, yeah, the the Russians are doing this. But it
43:00
turns out the Russians aren't doing this, and then the superior is like,
43:04
oh, so we got to do it because we thought that the Russians were
43:06
doing it, but they're not really doing it, so we got to make
43:08
our own. It was just really funny. This is a really funny exchange,
43:13
and that kind of seems like what was going on. But anyway,
43:16
SRI developed a small program for the Missile Intelligence Agency and they ended up awarding
43:23
SRI one year research and development contract. During that time, the Army Army
43:31
Material Systems Analysis Agency was involved in the investigation of remote viewing concepts with SRI
43:38
because their contract contracted with sr SO. In nineteen seventy seven, US Army
43:45
Intelligence and Security Command developed a project team under the Assistant Deputy Chief of Staff
43:54
for Human Intelligence and implemented the Gondola Wish program and Fort Meade. In nineteen
44:00
seventy eight, the Army Intelligence concluded that there was sufficient evidence to warrant the
44:08
program to explore the intelligence collection of psycho energetics. The Army then canceled that
44:15
Gondola Wish program and then placed a security envelope over the Army's interest in psycho
44:23
energetics, but then implemented a new program directed toward the intelligence collection using remote
44:31
viewing and psycho energetics, and that project was called grill Flame to use remote
44:37
viewing as a data collection or intelligence collection method on foreign targets. That's the
44:45
first thing I ever learned about. I remember reading that from what was that
44:50
Jim Mars's I think it was an alien agenda. He talked about grill Frame,
44:54
grill Flame. That was the first program I ever read about. So
44:57
that is a legitimate program. So by nineteen seventy eight INSCOM, which is
45:02
the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command, at this point they had had
45:07
the personnel that they wanted in the program, and the training was initiated and
45:13
the person that trained those army personnel would be Ingo Swann from SRI was training
45:19
the army personnel on how to remote view. That's what I was mentioning earlier
45:22
about him creating a guideline book on how to on how to the steps that
45:30
are needed to remote view. Now, when I've talked to the people from
45:37
the remote viewing program that were officially a part of the program, they said
45:40
that SRI never walked through the doors in Maryland. So that's another really iffy
45:49
thing that I'm trying to figure out. If he trained them, then I'm
45:52
guessing that he probably trained them at SRI International, probably at Palo Alto.
45:59
So me Intel did have a contract with SRI, and Ingo Swan was a
46:04
test subject at SRI, and you know, so that's really what's going on.
46:08
They said that SRI I never walked through the doors of Army Intelligence,
46:14
but somehow Ingo Swan trained them, so I'm guessing they all went to SRI.
46:19
So now the issue they ran into was would the information obtain from these
46:27
remote viewers and these psychics be reasonable and accurate, and if so, would
46:34
it be accepted and used by the intelligence community. So on September fourth,
46:39
nineteen seventy nine, Army ACSI tasked INSCOM to locate a missing Navy aircraft.
46:49
This was the first grill Flame operational remote viewing session and the remote viewer located
46:55
the missing aircraft within fifteen miles of where it was down and based on those
47:01
results, INSCOM was tasked to work on additional targets and this forced the hand
47:07
of ACSI to head into full swing operation and skip over a lot of the
47:13
training phases of the unit from Ingo Swamp. And this came directly out of
47:19
the DIA unclassified documents of nineteen seventy nine. Now this correlates with what President
47:24
Jimmy Carter was saying. I have a I had a video clip somewhere of
47:31
him talking about talking about about Carter, of Jimmy Carter. He's talking about
47:39
how they the director of the CIA at the time got a hold of a
47:49
psychic. He said that it was in California, but obviously they don't want
47:52
to say he doesn't want to say that they had a program because it was
47:55
like a top secret program. So he said that the head of the CIA
47:59
got contact with a remote viewer from California and she was the one that helped
48:05
helped find this missing aircraft. He's stated on record talking about this several times,
48:12
and because he was asked if anything strange or weird or like paranormal happened
48:19
while he was president, that's whenever he explained the psychic finding the missing plane.
48:24
But what President Jimmy Carter said was half true. It was a lady.
48:29
It wasn't a lady in California. That was the misdirection, right,
48:32
It was Dell Graf's small RV unit activity at Wright Patterson Air Force Base,
48:39
specifically a Air Force enlisted woman named Rosemary Smith. So it was a woman
48:47
wasn't from California, but it was from an actual sanctioned Air Force remote viewing
48:53
unit that Dell Graph was in charge of named Rosemary Smith, and also from
49:00
assistance from a gentleman named Gary Langford. S or I helped as well.
49:05
So you're telling true, but not how Jimmy Carter tells me. So what
49:09
you're telling me is because it was at right Patterson, we got this technology
49:14
from the aliens at Roswell. That's right. Yeah, that's what I thought.
49:17
I wanted to clarify that for everybody, but yeah, go ahead.
49:22
So this is where things get really convoluted and it takes on a whole other
49:25
thing and is very kind of difficult to follow. I hope people will take
49:30
you. We have like six minutes before the break, so if you want
49:32
to, if you need to clarify anything before you go into something larger,
49:37
just letting you know you have about six minutes. Okay, yeah, let
49:40
me let me actually try and find this Jimmy Carter clip really quickly because it's
49:49
actually on my YouTube channel. Hold on. Okay. So overall, basically,
49:53
what Rider is saying and correct me if I'm wrong, is that,
49:58
first of all, SRI is a private contracted group. The intelligence community did
50:05
finance or fund or sponsor some of these programs. That doesn't mean that they
50:09
were solely behind it and running them. And that goes for I think any
50:15
government project or any government program and whoever the financing for whatever it might be
50:22
comes from. And some of these original legitimate remote viewing sessions really triggered some
50:30
probably anxiety and fear because if the Russians are doing this, they could get
50:37
access remotely to our top secret information and know what we're doing, and we
50:42
need to regardless of that, also use these programs to or use this technique
50:45
to get access to what the Russians are doing. So the Cold War certainly
50:50
fueled and financed, if you will, the remote viewing programs, and then
50:55
a lot of the stuff that we see today, not all of it,
50:58
but I would say huge majority of it is nonsensical, asinine, and just
51:05
utterly ridiculous. Does all that kind of summarize the last thirty minutes or so,
51:09
Yes, it definitely does. In let me know if you can hear
51:13
those really quickly. As as President Jimmy Carter, sure go ahead, speaking
51:17
in nineteen ninety five about the using psychics to find this missing down aircraft.
51:23
The only strange and inexplicable event that has been discussed publicly is a one time
51:30
we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa. We needed very much
51:37
to find out where that plane had crashed, and we were not able to
51:40
find it by surveillance from our satellites. So the director of the CIA,
51:47
he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in
51:53
California that was a medium, and he contacted her and she gave him the
52:02
latitude and longitude of the plane's whereabouts and the next time, one of our
52:08
space satellites went over that area relocated the plane where she said it was.
52:15
I've never heard that before. That's really interesting. Was Jimmy Carter President,
52:19
Jimmy Carter talking about using a medium, the intelligence agency's using a medium to
52:24
find this downed plane in Africa, yep. And he was told he told
52:30
the truth, but not exactly the way that it went down. He said
52:36
that it was a woman in California. That wasn't true. It was actual
52:44
an official investigation by Army intelligence and involved the lady named Rosemary Smith from Ry
52:54
Patterson Air Force Base, which dell Graph had a small remote viewing unit at
53:02
Ry Patterson Air Force Base that he was basically involved in some of the research.
53:07
And I've had Dellgraph on my show several times. I even did a
53:12
Stargate roundtable discussion. I had Lim Buchanan on dell Graph and Angela Ford.
53:19
That was the first time that they had been together in like a really really
53:22
long time, so it was really special. So people can find that on
53:27
your YouTube page. Raised by giants. Yes, that's really cool. I
53:30
see I saw that I remote viewed it when it was happening. Oh yeah,
53:35
I was right there in the room with you. That's exactly how it
53:37
works, dude. Yeah, Rider. Lee is our guest Tonight Rider,
53:39
Thank you so much the first hour. I'm going to come back with the
53:43
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53:45
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be there at Contact in the Desert I hope we don't get kicked out for
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asking hard questions. But it should be a fun time. What do you
56:53
think? No, I want to bring the new the new A tip?
57:00
No, it's not a tip? Well what errow? Arrow? Yeah?
57:04
Ship? A tip wasn't a real program. It was all made up garbage.
57:07
Why did I think a tip arrow? So many of them, so
57:10
many abbreviations. An arrow has a tip and you know maybe yeah, you
57:14
got you got the tip. They're touching tips and then it's the tip.
57:16
Yeah, that's how the UFO myth stuff starts. They just just the tip
57:21
and then it's just a tip, and then you ascend it to the fifth
57:23
dimension. And soon are you gonna bring the air report? Yeah? I'm
57:28
gonna. I think I'm gonna print it out and read to it, read
57:30
out of it. Whenever I go up and ask questions, do you know
57:34
some of the speakers? I might I might print out the I might print
57:37
out that report as well, just in case you forget yours or lose it
57:40
or something. So what you have one? And I might print out that
57:43
Shank or Patrick article and laminate it. You should have like a laminated folder
57:46
of these documents and bring those. Yeah, that would be great. But
57:50
yeah, come and see us at Contacting the Desert. We're both going to
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be there and support support Ryan and uh send him the funds that he needs
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to make it to this event because it's going to be a lot of fun
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I'm really looking forward to it. It's gonna be really fun, and I
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have to remind people. Hopefully it's an incentive to support us. I was
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able to get that, uh, that Emory Smith audio that broke a lot
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behind the scenes and Jordan's say there and all the all the dock scene,
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and then I was also able to get well that that let's call it a
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brief interaction with Jordan sayor that made him so mad that he actually attacked the
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58:43
So I'm not planning to cause a scene, but if I see someone
58:46
that I feel like needs to be asked a question and That's that's why I'm
58:51
there, just like I got kicked out of the conference in Las Vegas because
58:53
I asked Jimmy Church about why he still supports the Wilcock Corey Goods story or
58:59
why he doesn't talk about it anymore. So that's what that's what I do.
59:00
I'm not just going to have a good time. I'm going to ask
59:05
questions to people that other people won't ask. I know writer will ask those
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questions too, So it's a it's a it's gonna be a one two punch
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with both of us there and then with a double double baby. It's gonna
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be a lot of fun. I'm really looking forward to it. Got it,
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got everything in order, so it's gonna be great talking with people and
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you know, networking. That's the I'm not even really there so much for
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the I like to hear people talk and speak because it's the same regurgitated nonsense
59:31
that it is every year. It's it's about communicating with people and and talking
59:37
with people outside of the speaker room. So yes, it is about networking.
59:42
Yeah, well I'm gonna I'm gonna, uh, I think we're both
59:46
going to go inside of the lawn chairs with the sun reflector box, get
59:52
our blood healed or whatever that does. Oh yeah, we have to.
59:54
That is a must. If you're going to contact in the desert, you
59:58
got to get inside of the song reflectors, mad bad chair, lawn chair
1:00:02
and get your get your chakras cleansed. I'm planning to get my chakras cleansed.
1:00:07
I'm planning to get my blood cleansed. I want to do a whole
1:00:09
dialysis thing with a sun reflector and a lawn chair. That's not not a
1:00:14
joke that that's a real thing that you can go sit on a lawn chair
1:00:16
with one of those car windows shields wrapped around you. But anyway, and
1:00:23
if you don't, if you can't make it to the event, maybe you
1:00:25
can remote view the event. Yeah, just just think, just pull up
1:00:30
a picture of Contacting the desert of the hotel and then you can just remove
1:00:37
you it right there. You don't even have to pay. It's free.
1:00:40
Yeah, Captain Ron's not gonna like that, but people might be able to
1:00:44
remote view it for free. So I think they have remote viewing tickets.
1:00:46
Actually, you can buy a remote viewing ticket. I'm selling those. It's
1:00:50
they're nine fifty dollars. I just need to sell one. It will be
1:00:54
good. This classic people paying all this money, dude, remote remote the
1:01:05
event. Yeah, I didn't realize it was that simple. I wouldn't have
1:01:07
paid to go all those years if I'd have known it was that easy.
1:01:12
Speaking of remote viewing, I had mentioned this at the beginning of the show
1:01:15
tonight. I was wondering what Carl Jung would have said about remote viewing.
1:01:20
And there's actually a book written by David Shaver with an introduction by Lynn Buchanan,
1:01:25
who was in the program that writer was talking about. And basically the
1:01:30
book is about how Carl Jung breaks down the unconscious archetypes, which is what
1:01:36
I was trying to explain earlier, and how those unconscious archetypes make sensory and
1:01:40
extra sensory perception possible, which is again where we get a lot of the
1:01:45
UFO lore from the Flying Disc and the Quinte Essentia, the World's Soul and
1:01:51
all of that. It also applies I think a lot of his UFO commentary
1:01:54
also applies to remote viewing. So it's an interesting book. I might get
1:01:58
a copy of that and read that has an intro by Lynd Buchanan. Yeah,
1:02:02
you send me the link to that. I'm going to check it out
1:02:05
as well. Might grab a little copy of it as well and check it
1:02:07
out. Because Young's work is really parallel to none. You know, I
1:02:14
think he knows exactly what he's talking about, and all of his conclusions make
1:02:20
so much more sense than what anybody else has come up with before or since.
1:02:24
Yeah, with the exception maybe of a Joseph Campbell and when you you
1:02:28
know, when I read Carl Jung's UFO assessment, and I think even Jock
1:02:30
pall to his book Passport to Magonia was amazing, and he kind of does
1:02:36
something similar to what Young does. I've noticed the people that really seem to
1:02:38
have the answers, both Young and Jack Vault and even Joseph Campbell, they're
1:02:44
not really saying this is something that you need to believe. Carl Jung says
1:02:50
there he even allows for a percentage of UFO sidings to rest outside of his
1:02:54
analysis. They says, I don't know what it is. So you have
1:03:00
that kind of, in my opinion, kind of objective analysis from a from
1:03:05
a super ultra intellectual like a Carl Jung, that that objective analysis is a
1:03:09
hell of a lot closer to the truth than the one. You know,
1:03:14
you must believe this, or you're you're you're a government agent trying to censor
1:03:19
the truth. I'm going to trust Carl Jung's assessment before I'm going to listen
1:03:22
to some of these people in the Remote Viewing New Age UFO community. Well,
1:03:28
the only reason that I put Carl Jung above Jacques Valet is because Jacques
1:03:32
Valet Carl Jung started out, I think because he was always on this from
1:03:39
the very beginning. Jacque val A not so much. Jacques Vali didn't really
1:03:43
get in to the you know, the that it's the perception of the individual
1:03:47
that's really creating this phenomenon until later on. Yes, so Jacques val At
1:03:52
was kind of in the camp that everyone is in right now in the beginning.
1:03:58
Then he later transitioned out of it. But Young was in it from
1:04:01
the very jump. So that's why I kind of put Young above Valuable.
1:04:06
Well, that's I don't think anybody would disagree with that assessment. I totally
1:04:12
agree with that. Go ahead, Yeah, so I want to finish up
1:04:16
this remote viewing things because it gets really very complicated and convoluted here and so
1:04:26
we were finishing up in the last hour there that the issue that they ran
1:04:30
into was that would the information that they were getting from these remote viewing psychics
1:04:36
be accurate and if so, you know, it was Army Intelligence and other
1:04:43
intelligence community going to accept that information that these remote viewers were getting. And
1:04:49
ACSI tasked inscome to locate the missing Navy aircraft and was that operation was the
1:04:57
very first growth Flame operational remote viewing session. And we just listened to the
1:05:02
Jimmy Carter President, Jimmy Carter talking about the psychic that found the missing aircraft.
1:05:09
Right. So what happened was is in nineteen eighty this memorandum came out
1:05:17
which cut funding for psycho energetic activity that didn't include intelligence application efforts. So
1:05:28
in nineteen eighty one, a few months later, ACSI transferred the project Grill
1:05:33
Flame management to INSCOM, which is the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command.
1:05:41
They combined their efforts, but they basically combined their programs and this isn't
1:05:47
the only time that the units have been transferred or combined. THEDIA and Army
1:05:54
Intelligence. ACSI signed a joint Grill Flame to implement a three year long program.
1:06:03
So this combined the DIA and Army intelligence programs rolled into a joint operation
1:06:12
of threat analysis countermeasures. They would use the established psychics, primarily some of
1:06:21
them were through SRI contracts because remember they'd been working with SRI. They'd had
1:06:27
a contract with SRI since seventy eight. So the US Army's role. Inscom's
1:06:33
role was to apply the remote viewing program and use the sign personnel and contracts
1:06:41
to enhance capability. Now a lot of remember how I staid in the beginning
1:06:47
of the episode here that everyone's hands was in the pot on this, that
1:06:56
the CIA, n SA, and all these people were all involved, but
1:07:00
that didn't mean that they all ran their own program. Well, once this
1:07:04
merging of the DA and Army Intelligence into one joint grow Flame operation also came
1:07:13
along with two groups the Secretary of the Army General Council Assistant A Surgeon General
1:07:24
Medical R and D, the Vice Chief of Staff of the Army, the
1:07:28
NSA, the CIA, and the Navy. But all of those people weren't
1:07:34
a part of the program. They would give tasking and remote viewing targets for
1:07:41
the psychics to remote view for them. They were like customers for the DA
1:07:45
and Army Intelligence. So NSA would contact d I A Army Intelligence to have
1:07:51
their remote viewers remote view something that they needed that they needed to collect more
1:07:57
information out right, So until nineteen eighty two when the Budget committee cut the
1:08:03
funding to grow Flame. They cut it in nineteen eighty two because they thought
1:08:09
that the project had been double budgeted, but it wasn't. The funding was
1:08:15
just coming from two different organizations and there were it was a joint operation,
1:08:19
so one funding coming from or Intelligence and another coming from the DIA, and
1:08:25
when they were just working on it together, but they let the DA complete
1:08:31
their third year. So at the end of nineteen eighty two, Inscom Army
1:08:36
Intelligence terminated that former contract with DA with the Girl Flame, and Army Intelligence
1:08:45
opened up a new program. They opened up a special access program called center
1:08:53
Lane, Center Lane, Center lane. Okay, bowling alley, center lane.
1:08:59
You want to throw throw it down the center lane of the bawling alley.
1:09:02
So in nineteen eighty three, a gentleman signed a memorandum allowing the resources
1:09:11
to be used to maintain and support the Army Center Lane programming, which revised
1:09:18
the Perry Memorandum in nineteen eighty that cut the funding. So with the funding
1:09:25
by the Security and Investigative Activities. In nineteen eighty three, the Army Remote
1:09:30
Viewing SAP program special Access program called Center Lane was decided that it should be
1:09:38
continued and should be under the overall management of the DIA. So again we
1:09:45
get another merging of these programs. So the funding was cut to the program
1:09:51
Growth Lame, Army intelligence dropped off, they opened up a new program.
1:09:57
Then they decided that that program should be merged again with the IA, right,
1:10:02
so it is very convoluted. Yes, So the SAP program that was
1:10:06
ran by the Army called Center Lane, it was said that they should merge
1:10:11
their unit with thedia's grow Flame unit again for the second time. So by
1:10:15
nineteen eighty five, the transfer from the Army's Center Lane project the DIA's Grow
1:10:21
Flame program was finalized and it became a d D Special Access program and the
1:10:30
funding was restored because it was a pure intelligence and data collection program, not
1:10:34
a R and D type of program. Was this was the sole purpose of
1:10:38
it to remote view or was that simply a technique that went alongside of other
1:10:44
data collection You know that it was to solely remove, view and collect intelligence
1:10:49
data on foreign targets. Okay, And and like I said earlier, this
1:10:57
is you know there, well this program, this new joint program. So
1:11:02
whenever the Center Lane merged back with grow Flame, they renamed it and they
1:11:10
called a Sunstreak. And the operational and the details of Sunstreak was in operational
1:11:19
intelligence application using an aspect of psycho energetics known as remote viewing to collect and
1:11:27
foreign intelligence data. Yeah, did you do you know if it was mostly
1:11:33
Russia or were there other countries that were targeted for intelligence gathering. That's what
1:11:39
I've tried to figure out, and I've asked some of the But that's the
1:11:43
thing though, is that the remote viewers that were a part of the unit
1:11:46
didn't really know. They didn't know what they were viewing, right, They
1:11:51
were just giving they were tasks to view something. They would give that remote
1:11:57
viewing data to their superiors. Superiors would take it and then they wouldn't give
1:12:01
any kind of feedback on if what they were getting. Well, we know
1:12:05
that they'd used something like remote viewing or remote viewing itself to find that plane
1:12:12
in Africa, so they used it for other things that were maybe unrelated to
1:12:16
basic or more complex data or intelligence gathering from another country it might have been
1:12:21
used for. I wonder just a thought. I mean, these people seem
1:12:26
much more professional, but I wonder if there were remote viewers, any of
1:12:30
the original remote viewers, or anybody else that participated. If it was kind
1:12:33
of like when we learned about the end what we knew, but the people
1:12:39
that didn't know about the NSA spy program on Americans, the warrantless spine wiretapping
1:12:43
and all that we found it. A lot of people in those programs were
1:12:46
using the technology to spy on their girlfriends, boyfriends, family members. I
1:12:51
wonder if there were remote viewers that were maybe I don't know, some sort
1:12:56
of thing like that was going on. I know it's a little bit harder
1:12:59
because you have to have target and not know what the target is. But
1:13:00
I wonder if there was any kind of corruption like that in the remote viewing
1:13:03
programs. Well, I think that there was some sort of thing like that.
1:13:09
It was kind of like a It has been told to me that Ad
1:13:13
Dames he would just bring in random coordinate locations for some of the remote viewers
1:13:20
to view. And this is one of the ones that came out of JRSS.
1:13:29
We talk about this, how Ingo Swan and Pap Price had apparently remote
1:13:34
viewed the Mars and the Moon. Oh I remember that, Yes, I
1:13:41
remember reading that in Mars's book. Yeah. And also that pat Price and
1:13:45
INGOs Swan had remote viewed for extraterrestrial basis on Earth, like and one of
1:13:54
them was in like the Philippines is up in some mountains. I would have
1:13:58
to go back and figure that one back out again and exactly what he said.
1:14:03
But then I questioned the remote viewers. I questioned doctor David moore House
1:14:10
about it. He said that that they never remote viewed the Moon or Marrow.
1:14:16
Well, he said that sometimes they would get those weird things from like
1:14:21
Dames and they would have him remote viewing the Mars and the Moon and stuff.
1:14:28
But David Morehouse doesn't really He's a grounded individual. So he's like,
1:14:32
well, you know, there's no way to verify if any of what you're
1:14:38
remote viewing on any other planet is actually real, right, right? So
1:14:45
then when the Future Forecasting Group last year and then this year, last year
1:14:48
they remote view to financial collapse, which was supposed to take place at the
1:14:53
end of the year, which never happened, because it was supposed to involve
1:14:57
all these things falling out of the sky and stuff up that could be metaphoric
1:15:01
because you know, I guess some people's wallets have blown up and some people,
1:15:05
you know, the prices have blown up. I mean, the idea
1:15:09
of things falling from the sky again is very archetypical. But then they remote
1:15:12
viewed this year the Rapture, and it's like hard, I don't know how
1:15:15
you can remote view something that is metaphor and allegory and symbolism and things that
1:15:20
even consciously we don't understand fully what it is. So I don't know how
1:15:25
you can remote view it unconsciously and see these things. Yeah, I don't
1:15:29
really understand either. But limb Buchanan claim that he did remote view another planet
1:15:35
and that there was beans on the other planet, and he had like a
1:15:42
what is that called whenever, like a directory or something where if you go
1:15:45
to another country, it tells you all about their civilization and it tells you
1:15:49
about their culture and all that. What are those called? Not an atlas,
1:15:55
but it's some kind of like like a director He had like written out
1:15:59
in like made pictures and like drawings of like all these other beings and what
1:16:04
these civilizations and what these beings are called on this far distant planet, and
1:16:11
you had like all the you showed it to me on my show, and
1:16:15
I thought that was really interesting. But again, like you things like that,
1:16:19
you just can't you can't verify, you can't clarify it. It's not
1:16:24
something that you know, you're remote viewing in this reality. Like if you're
1:16:29
remote viewing things that are happening like now, then that is verifiable, right,
1:16:33
Like if you were to go out and you know, walk down the
1:16:36
street and then I were to like somehow remove you the area that you're in,
1:16:43
and then I'm talking to you on the phone and I'm like, oh,
1:16:45
yeah, there's a red truck that's passing you right now, And there's
1:16:48
a red truck. That's verifiable, Like you can verify that absolutely because it's
1:16:53
happening right now. But things in the future, things that are not on
1:16:58
the earth, like, there's no veryrifying it. So yes, David Morehouse
1:17:01
thinks that it's like a sort of like a holographic projection that's being inserted into
1:17:10
our consciousness on some level, like you like your mind is creating it.
1:17:16
And that's another problem with remote viewing things that you know that you're remote viewing,
1:17:24
because the expectation your mind is creating the expectation of what the mind things
1:17:30
that you're supposed to be seeing. Yes, well, that's kind of what
1:17:33
I was alluding to earlier. I mean, I think I did that show
1:17:36
back in early March where I talked about that where you have, well,
1:17:41
you have memories, you have your brain that fills in the blank in conscious
1:17:45
waking reality. When you're remote viewing something, your brain's going to fill in
1:17:48
the blanks for that too. Whatever it is that you're perceiving, and the
1:17:55
fact that other people might be seeing something similar, you know, sure that
1:18:00
they draw a lot of stuff, and they have a lot of you know,
1:18:02
extrasensory perception. I would imagine that there's more than one piece of paper
1:18:08
that they use, and that if you put them all together, a portion
1:18:12
of it's not going to be the same, and then the things that are
1:18:15
the same are going to be used as probably evidence that they are remote viewing
1:18:18
this thing and this is legitimately what they're seeing, despite the fact that they're
1:18:21
also drawing thirty or forty or one hundred other things that you know individually that
1:18:26
nobody else saw. So that can be an easy way to sort of manipulate
1:18:30
the public's perception of what like the future Forecasting group is getting. Does that
1:18:34
make sense or do you have a thought on that? Yeah, that's right,
1:18:39
And you know, again, like how can you verify something that's going
1:18:44
to happen in the future. Yes, like it's a good way to make
1:18:48
yourself look like you're special. You say that you remove viewed a financial collapse
1:18:56
or some kind of like rapture. You know. But again, like I've
1:19:00
been seeing this entire like on my show and other people that I talked to,
1:19:04
Like, by the time that that happens, people have already forgotten about
1:19:10
it, and it's probably not going to happen, you know. So really,
1:19:14
anything that you can think about that's going to happen in the future is
1:19:16
never going to go down that way. It's just not like no one is
1:19:20
ever right. They're they're always wrong. Now they can have like little tidbits
1:19:25
of things, but if any prediction or anything that you can come up with,
1:19:32
I can almost say for certain that it's not going to happen. Well,
1:19:36
I saw this report that was on Info Wars about the remote viewing of
1:19:42
the rapture, and when I watched the video, I thought, wait a
1:19:46
minute, hold in a second. This is the same group that remote viewed
1:19:49
the financial collapse last year, and there was a big story on info wars
1:19:54
about that. And I understand reporting is reporting, whether you believe it or
1:19:58
not, but you can really dry of clicks. You can really drive attention
1:20:03
because you're saying that this is some remote viewing group that remote viewed and saw
1:20:08
that there's going to be some big event and then nothing happens. And then
1:20:11
the next year, well, they remote viewed something else and this is what's
1:20:13
going to happen this year, but it didn't happen last year either, exactly.
1:20:16
And that's perfect the way that you just summarize that. There's clickbait,
1:20:20
you know, and info Wars is notorious clickbaitters, and they'll use anything to
1:20:28
you know, fear longer and you know, support their own ideology. So
1:20:35
regardless if they actually believe it or not, they're still going to post about
1:20:41
it, you know, because rapture things get the Christians all hooked in,
1:20:45
you know, remote viewing gets the new age community and the people that are
1:20:50
interested in psychic abilities roped in, you know, so they're trying to get
1:20:56
several things all once. They're trying to blanket all of it. So they're
1:21:00
they're placating to their base, the base of people that support them and that
1:21:04
buy their products, and and you know, and clickbait it. You know,
1:21:10
if you put rapture in the title of things, then people are going
1:21:14
to click on it because they're one, they're automatically curious. Yes, they
1:21:17
want to know what other people are saying too. They're probably you know,
1:21:20
even if you're not a Christian, you probably still click on it if you're
1:21:26
really into info wars. So it's like, you know, that's really what
1:21:30
it is. That's that's what's going on. And they use those kind of
1:21:35
tactics all the time. And it does. It does drive clicks. It
1:21:41
does drive traffic to your to your website, to your videos, to all
1:21:46
of your things. Regardless if it's real or regardless if it's honest, regardless
1:21:53
if you know there's anything to it or not, people are still going to
1:21:55
click on it. Well, that's what Lily Nova did with the Miami Mall
1:21:59
Aliens I remote view, the Miami Mollylliens. You know when I texted her
1:22:02
on Facebook, I said, you know what, I also remote viewed them
1:22:05
and they told me you were full of shit. How do you respond to
1:22:10
that? Right, Yeah, it's my delusion versus your delusion. That's exactly
1:22:15
right. It's like someone claiming to be, you know, Jesus or Buddha
1:22:19
or whatever, and then you walk up to them and you're like, oh,
1:22:21
hey, guess what, I'm also Jesus. It's like that Spider Man
1:22:27
meme. You don't know which one's real. Yeah, that's the best way
1:22:32
to combat this kind of stuff. And look, I genuinely am not trying
1:22:36
to be a I'm not trying to be a bully, but I think that
1:22:40
it's necessary to call people out like Lily Nova who make those kinds of claims,
1:22:44
Like that girl that claims she's a Nazi general reincarnated and then when she's
1:22:48
asked what was the name of the person that you're reincarnated as, she had
1:22:53
no name Because you're not a reincarnated Nazi general or SS officer. That's nonsense.
1:22:59
You're a footcam model on OnlyFans. Literally, I forge, what's that
1:23:03
girl's name? I forget. I don't even have space in my head for
1:23:05
her Charene Marine Charne or something like that. Oh yeah, Marina Marina sen
1:23:12
Marine or Serene. Yeah. She It literally says that on their Instagram page
1:23:16
she gives foot foot video fetish things or something. And I mean, Jesus
1:23:21
christ Man, when you're hot, Ryan, you can get away with anything
1:23:26
and do whatever you want. Bro, give me a Nazi foot princess.
1:23:31
Take a lot of money. I got a lot of money off that.
1:23:34
Maybe I'll shave the hair off my foot and I'll just become a foot model.
1:23:38
My foot looked like a woman's foot. That's right, I'll do it.
1:23:42
So the program here ran from the sun Street program, which was another
1:23:48
combining of DIA an army intelligence program, just like what they did earlier with
1:23:54
a Girl Flame, and it was shot down and an Army intelligence created another
1:23:58
program called Center Leane, and then it was stated that that program also needed
1:24:01
to combine with the IA, and then they changed the name of Sunstreet and
1:24:05
sun Street ran until ninety one. Then it was changed to Stargate by Dell
1:24:12
Graph, which I've had on my show. He was also I've had him
1:24:15
on twice, just him, and then I had him on again with a
1:24:19
Stargate roundtable with Limby Kinnan and Angela Ford, and he changed the name out
1:24:28
of his own words because he felt it described what they were doing better with
1:24:31
the human potential aspect of the program. It wasn't called stargate because they were
1:24:40
opening up actual portals and stargate portals for you to time travel or go to
1:24:45
other planets and do other things. It was called Stargate because Dell Graph essentially
1:24:50
liked the name stargate. Okay, so that was it. That was it,
1:24:56
that's all. And so then in ninety five the program, excuse me,
1:25:05
ninety five, the program was to be transferred to the CIA from the
1:25:12
DoD and the DIA CIA got their hands on it in ninety five they shut
1:25:18
the program down and they said that no intelligence data had ever been collected from
1:25:24
the program, and they closed it. Now that's where people will say,
1:25:30
oh, well, the documents all have the CIA's name on it. Well,
1:25:35
yeah, it does all have the CIA's name on it, because it
1:25:38
was in their hands when it closed. But they were not the original organizers
1:25:46
or even funders necessarily that they did finance some of the original programs, but
1:25:50
they didn't start it. They didn't directly finance it the entire time, but
1:25:56
it was in their hands when the program closed. Officially, yes, CIA
1:26:01
took it over. There was only like two people left in the program at
1:26:06
that time, Robin d and Angela Ford. When the CIA had it,
1:26:13
And is there any they immediately shut it down. The ass for all of
1:26:16
the documents from the DA in Army Intelligence, they gave them all, they
1:26:21
went through them and then shut the program down. So is there any evidence
1:26:27
that because we know that this happens in the military, we know that this
1:26:30
happens at corporations, We know that this happens just the way that basic marketing
1:26:33
and advertising works where they say, hey, look there's no high fertos corncerp
1:26:38
in this product, But really there is. It's just called something different.
1:26:40
It's called HFCs, which just abbreviated hyphertost corncerp. There's no MSG, it's
1:26:45
autolized yeast extract, which is the same thing. So is there any evidence
1:26:48
that the programs continued under other names that they still are ongoing today. There's
1:26:53
no remote viewing program, like there's no UFOs, but there's a UAP program.
1:26:59
Yes, that is in the speculation and what I personally believe happened,
1:27:08
and the speculation is that they did they shut down the program either, Well,
1:27:16
this is from my personal and then I'll tell you what I think what
1:27:19
other people are seeing. So my personal opinion is that they already had a
1:27:26
remote viewing program like the CIA already had one that was never disclosed, or
1:27:31
they shut down that program to create their own and they found a different application
1:27:36
for it, and then they started up a new program. Now nothing official,
1:27:45
there's no documentation. It's all speculation and theory. So anybody that says
1:27:49
that there is still a remote viewing program should be taken with a grain of
1:27:56
salt because there's zero proof. There's a zero documentation on it. But from
1:28:00
talking with Lim Buchanan, and he's telling me that he was approached I believe
1:28:10
in the early two thousands, and I think he was approached before that during
1:28:18
the Cold War in Cuba, I believe, and he was asked if he
1:28:26
could outright kill somebody with his mind like the men who stare goats. Yep,
1:28:35
he was asked if he could do it, if he could, I
1:28:40
think it was the Sama bin Laden. In the early two thousands, he
1:28:43
was asked if he could kill Asama bin Laden with his mind. And he
1:28:49
said that he refused to do it. And then I asked him, well,
1:28:56
you refuse to do it, but does that mean that you can't do
1:28:59
it, you won't do it, or you won't do it. He says,
1:29:03
well, I won't do it. And I was like, well,
1:29:05
can you do it? And he said yeah, I can do it.
1:29:10
And I was like, wow, that makes a lot of sense. And
1:29:12
if you had that much power to do that, to literally raise someone's blood
1:29:20
pressure remotely to cause a heart attack or an aneurysm or a stroke and kill
1:29:28
someone outright like that, then that would make sense that they would want to
1:29:33
use a completely different application and shut down this existing program that all it was
1:29:39
being used for was to collect intelligence data on foreign targets. You couldn't take
1:29:45
just regular intelligence data collection people and put it into a new program. Now,
1:29:54
this is interesting what you're saying here, writer, because I had Michael
1:29:57
Jaco on my show. He had a conversation and it was it was cordial,
1:30:02
and I pushed back on many of the things that he said, and
1:30:05
he didn't get upset or anything. He had a respond well, it kind
1:30:09
of had a response to most of them. And he told me that he
1:30:13
was part of the team that got Osama bin Laden and he described a lot
1:30:19
of his interactions in the military having to do with psychic abilities and that they
1:30:28
could fly through the air. And when I said, do you mean physically
1:30:30
fly through the air or do you mean that as more of like a metaphor,
1:30:34
like you flew like a bird very quickly, you know, and very
1:30:38
swiftly through the air and took out your target. And he said, well,
1:30:40
that's a good point. I'm glad you bring that up, because we
1:30:43
didn't physically fly. And I thought, well, when you say I flew
1:30:46
through the air, what are most people here, and what are most people
1:30:50
in the UFO and psychic and all these communities here, They think, well,
1:30:55
Michael Jacob has superpowers. Well when you ask them, are you actually
1:31:00
having superpowers? And no, no, no, no, no, it's
1:31:01
just we moved swiftly to kill the target. So a part of it's just
1:31:06
the way that you speak. But he referred to because he has he has
1:31:10
a book out about psychic soldiers. And there's a lot of people who make
1:31:16
those claims all the time. A lot of people that make those claims all
1:31:20
the time when it's usually just a it's like the creating of a narrative.
1:31:27
It's not based on anything real. It's like it's a fictional account of maybe
1:31:31
one thing that may have actually happened. And that's kind of like how the
1:31:38
clip of the President What President was that again? That you played Jimmy Carter.
1:31:43
It's kind of like the clip of Jimmy Carter where Jimmy Carter says half
1:31:46
truth and half not truth. In the same way that the Robertson panel in
1:31:51
the nineteen fifties suggested, that's what we should do to the UFO community.
1:31:56
We should fill them with half truths and things that are half false so that
1:32:00
nobody knows what's real or not. I don't think people like Michael Jacob are
1:32:03
doing that intentionally. I think that it's just an easy way to get people
1:32:08
to click on your videos when you tell people you have these psychic superpowers,
1:32:13
and I feel like the whole field everything we do is so overrun with this
1:32:16
garbage that when you provide this presentation tonight Rider, I just know that from
1:32:25
a clickbait perspective, most people don't want to listen to. I mean,
1:32:28
our audience is a little different. But most people don't want to listen to
1:32:31
two our presentation on what all of this stuff means and where it all came
1:32:35
from. They want to hear how Michael Jacob can fly through the air and
1:32:39
Carroll kill some bin Laden. You know what I mean. That's exactly right.
1:32:43
That's why I mentioned in the beginning of the show. I was like,
1:32:45
this might not be interesting to you, but it's super interesting to me
1:32:49
because it shows how all this stuff happened and the direct evidence of it happening,
1:32:57
and with one that I've gotten from official documentation. Lynn Buchanan also mentioned
1:33:04
to me about this technique that he calls remote influencing. I've heard of that
1:33:12
before too. Yeah, what is that? And it's a real thing.
1:33:15
There's a document that I have written by what is his name? He was
1:33:25
a part of the program. Hold on, I'll pull it up really quickly.
1:33:30
This is for remote influencing. Yeah, there's a Well, I don't
1:33:34
have the document on my computer, but I have the screenshots from it from
1:33:41
that I just recently ed may So. It was SAIICE Science Applications International Corporation,
1:33:51
Cognitive Science Laboratory. It's a memorandum the date is fourteenth of February nineteen
1:33:58
ninety four from Miss l Faith and doctor ed May and it's called UH.
1:34:03
It's a remote Influencing document and it shows you how to remote influence people and
1:34:12
it gives you a step by step UH training manual on how to remote influence.
1:34:20
And then Buchanan is talking about this and I'm like, oh, well,
1:34:25
this seems something like what they would want to evolve the program into as
1:34:30
well, you know, you evolve it out of because there's so many different
1:34:32
ways to remote view We just talked about the biolocation aspect of it. There's
1:34:38
CRV, there's er V, there's a Coordinate remote viewing, there's extended remote
1:34:44
viewing, there's just like all these different remote viewing. There's definitely made up
1:34:48
of remote viewing. And he's talking about remote influencing. And then don't quote
1:34:55
me because I'm just getting it from memory here, but I do mention remember
1:35:00
olymp you canon mentioning him remote influencing Fidel Castro during the Cold War as well.
1:35:11
So I'm like, okay, well, you know this would be the
1:35:15
next step of remote viewing. Right then I'm like, okay, well instead
1:35:20
of just you know, outright killing someone with your mind. Wouldn't you want
1:35:30
to remote influence somebody else to kill that person for you? If you can
1:35:39
get into somebody's head, plant thoughts, ideas and believes into their head,
1:35:45
make them go do something that they ordinarily wouldn't do, would that not be
1:35:51
an amazing intelligence apparatus? Would you not want to have that in your intelligence
1:35:57
arsenal? And then you think of all of the assassinations, all of the
1:36:03
shootings, all of these things that are like going on in the world right
1:36:10
all these beliefs that you know that people have. People don't think, oh,
1:36:15
well, maybe this is coming from another human being that is influencing me
1:36:21
to believe these kinds of things. You know, you think, oh,
1:36:27
well it's my own thoughts. Well, what if it's not? And then
1:36:30
what if they completely took humans out of the equation. What if they turned
1:36:38
this into a technology and they had the technology doing it all the time.
1:36:45
Because with humans there becomes a liability at some point. You know, there's
1:36:50
people that can you know, be a whistleblower and say, oh, yeah,
1:36:55
guess what we're we're remotely influencing these politicians, We're remotely influencing foreign presidents,
1:37:02
we're you know, influencing people to assassinat and kill other people, you
1:37:09
know. But if it's just a technology, it's just been turned into some
1:37:14
sort of technological apparatus, then it makes it way easier and you can completely
1:37:20
cut humans out of the equation. So if there is not a current remote
1:37:28
viewing program then which again there's no evidence for there's no documentation for anybody that's
1:37:34
claiming that there is or just talking out of their ass But people can theorize
1:37:41
and speculate, and that was one of the first things that I theorized and
1:37:44
speculated on after reading all this documentation talking to all the people that were officially
1:37:47
a part of the Stargate remote viewing the IA Army Intelligence program, I was
1:37:53
like, hey, remote influencing, you know, remote assassination, influencing somebody
1:38:01
else to commit the assassination for you would be the easiest way to do it
1:38:05
because that creates political upheaval. Right. If this is just an example,
1:38:13
if Osama bin bin Laden just died in a cave, who cares, right,
1:38:19
Nah, we got to have we got to give the perception of Seal
1:38:25
Team six and taking them out so we can be America yeah, America.
1:38:30
You know, it's all about the optics. It's all about how it looks
1:38:32
from the outside, which is really a lot I mean funny thing that we
1:38:38
kind of get into that here at the end of the show. That's pretty
1:38:40
much what the whole youthological community is. It's all about optics. It's all
1:38:44
about the image. Because I've had all sorts of bizarre experiences that I cannot
1:38:48
quantify, I cannot reconcile with base conscious reality, and if I were to
1:38:54
tell those stories, people might find them interesting or spooky. You've told me
1:38:58
some of your experiences. Because we don't craft them as part of a narrative
1:39:02
and package them and sell them, nobody cares. So it's about the optics
1:39:08
of how something looks. It's about the visuals. You're selling a product,
1:39:13
and you're also selling Depending on who you are, you're also usually selling yourself.
1:39:16
Whether you're a man like Billy Carson who dresses up real nice, but
1:39:21
he has nothing interesting to say as far as I'm concerned, and is I
1:39:25
think he's a profaner of the sacred, or you're someone with your boobs hanging
1:39:29
out at a conference telling people that you're you're a psychic healer. And of
1:39:32
course most of the creepy men there want some girl with big tits to touch
1:39:35
them on their body and heal them. So it's all about the It's all
1:39:40
about the image. Meanwhile, they're real. I was stunned when I found
1:39:45
the Carl Young assessment of UFOs. I have never heard anybody in ufology ever
1:39:48
refer to that, and it was one of the best books I've ever read.
1:39:53
Those are and now we see that happening a lot. This is my
1:39:56
concern. I know we probably discussed this before Off Air Rider, is that
1:39:59
as more and more people like Jim Mars have passed away. And although I
1:40:04
have issues with you know some people, I mean, I think at one
1:40:08
point Linda Malton how was probably in some capacity a good journalist research. I
1:40:12
think I would still trust Linda Malton now before I would trust David Wilcock,
1:40:15
you know what I mean. But as more and more of those people pass
1:40:17
away, what is this field of the paranormal and eufology and all this,
1:40:24
what is this filled with It's filled with grifters, which are small times swindlers,
1:40:28
and it's filled with big time swindlers, and it's filled with people that
1:40:30
give themselves awards. It's filled with narcissism and ego. It's filled with psychosis,
1:40:36
it's filled with drugs and sex, and it's basically debauchery. And so
1:40:44
rather than having real good journalists and real good investigators, like, who's going
1:40:48
to replace people like Graham Hancock eventually? What's going to come after that?
1:40:54
Total garbage and nonsense is already? You know, in those fields of ancient
1:40:58
history and archaeology, what do you got? You got some guy who claims
1:41:00
he was choked out in prison because he went to prison. I forget why
1:41:04
they said the guy went to prison, but he turns out he like raped
1:41:08
a young girl, but he's got all the maps of Tataria and he read
1:41:12
all these books in prison, The Phoenix event guy. You get people like
1:41:15
that, And I'm thinking, like, I just I started read another one
1:41:19
of Graham Hancock's books. It's like, it's some of the best stuff I've
1:41:23
ever read. And what's going to replace that? Eventually? In twenty thirty
1:41:26
forty years. People that make stuff up about raping little girls in prison.
1:41:30
I just I don't know what to feel or what to think about this.
1:41:33
It disturbs me. I mean, that's why we're here, and that's why
1:41:40
our work is really important, because we're going to be the next generation of
1:41:45
people that has to have common sense and critical thinking around these topics where I
1:41:51
feel like that we're going to be leading the way because you're right, a
1:41:55
lot of these people have passed away and are getting close to yeah in next
1:42:04
ten to fifteen years, you know, and I think we are going to
1:42:10
have to be the purveyors of that knowledge and the critical thinking and the thought
1:42:16
and the real research. You know, a lot of these people they don't
1:42:19
they don't do real research. They watch a YouTube video and they're like,
1:42:24
oh, well, so and so always said this, and oh, I
1:42:27
can't listen to you because so No, it's just an argument and a susspool
1:42:31
of nonsense garbage. Yes, and that's where you know, that's really where
1:42:38
we come in. We're going to be that next that next generation of people.
1:42:44
I don't have all the answers. I know, you don't have all
1:42:45
the answers. But this also applies to the audience too, that we should
1:42:49
be or we should try to be more discerning. And I don't care what
1:42:54
it is about the discerning about what writer is saying, I mean, go
1:42:58
look up the stuff that he's mentioned tonight. Go look up anything that I
1:43:02
mentioned. I had someone message me two weeks ago and they said they said
1:43:05
they heard a show I talked about rabbis on and they said, I really
1:43:10
got angry when I heard you talk about the rabbis and the pedophilia within the
1:43:14
synagogues. And I said, in response to them, I asked them,
1:43:18
you know what their feelings were, and they said, but I went and
1:43:20
looked up the articles and the stories that you were talking about, and it
1:43:24
turns out you were right. And I kind of have to apologize that I
1:43:28
got angry because you were just basically reading what was mainstream news and what's very
1:43:31
well known in the rabbinical community that could be about rabbis or could be about
1:43:35
anything. But yes, go research it. That doesn't mean go to YouTube.
1:43:40
I mean just go Not that YouTube's bad. You have a YouTube show.
1:43:44
What I'm saying is you have to go to the source of the information,
1:43:46
and when someone says something, try to verify it. Whether it's writer
1:43:50
me or it's somebody else. You can't really verify anything, Billy Carson says,
1:43:55
but you can try well That's the whole thing is while like, I'm
1:44:01
never going to say anything that doesn't have any factual evidence to back it up.
1:44:09
I know that about you for sure. Yet unless I say, this
1:44:13
is theory and this is speculation, right, just like I do all the
1:44:16
time on every show. If I'm going to talk about theory, theosophy or
1:44:20
speculation, which I really like to do because it's fun and it's interesting to
1:44:25
do, I'm going to tell you this is theory, this is speculation,
1:44:30
this is theosophy, this theology. You know, there's not any evidence backing
1:44:34
anything that I'm about to say, you know, and that gives the audience
1:44:39
a a buffer between factual information and theory and speculation, which is what people
1:44:46
should be doing. And I've always done that. And uh, because people
1:44:53
like to wrap in again a bunch of factual things in with theory in speculation,
1:44:59
and that's where the confusion happens. And then pretty soon people don't know
1:45:02
what to believe because it's all wrapped up into what I call a conspiracy burrito.
1:45:08
You know, just throw in every little thing that they heart from over
1:45:12
here and hurt from over there, and all that blah blah blah, blah
1:45:15
and everything. And if I'm doing a show like the entire show is going
1:45:18
to be on theosophy and theory and speculation, in the beginning of the show,
1:45:23
I'll be like, oh, yeah, I'm really excited to talk with
1:45:26
you today, Ryan about theory and uh, theosophy and theology, you know.
1:45:33
So then that lets people know that this is my personal opinion or something
1:45:38
that I heard from somebody else that I think is interesting, that there isn't
1:45:42
any factual or evidence information backing it. So you don't have a remote viewing
1:45:46
superpower, then I wish I did, dude. You know much more money
1:45:51
I could make if I had a remote viewing the superpower and doing well.
1:45:56
I've remote viewed the future where you're a millionaire viewer. Now that's not to
1:46:00
say that manifestation doesn't work, because I one hundred percent believe that manifestation works,
1:46:04
like visualization, like breath work, meditation, visualization like that works,
1:46:12
dude. That's the history of ceremonial magic too. It's all psychology and meditation
1:46:15
and visualization. Yeah, just because I like, there's certain spiritual principles that
1:46:23
that do work and that are very valuable for you to be able to do.
1:46:29
It's just a lot of the gurus and the people that are claiming that
1:46:33
they can teach you how to do this stuff is full of crap. They
1:46:38
have no idea what they're talking about. It's a it's an experience that there
1:46:42
is no shortcuts in anything, especially when it comes to spiritual practices or meditation
1:46:47
or breath work. You see people think that, oh, well, if
1:46:50
I just pay thirty three, three hundred and thirty three dollars to this person,
1:46:55
then then I'm going to be the I can manifest whatever I want.
1:46:59
I can manifest my brand new home. Man, I'll send it into the
1:47:02
fifth dimension. They'll be saving me a seat on the intergalactic spaceship, and
1:47:05
I'll go to whenever the catastrophe happens, I'll be safe. That sounds like
1:47:10
a deal. That's not the way that any of that works. On my
1:47:15
mic screwed up. That's not the way that any of that works. It's
1:47:17
it's practice, and and uh, it takes a lot of work and a
1:47:21
lot of time and a lot of effort, you know. And that's what
1:47:25
I've realized is whenever I started doing these things right, whenever I started doing
1:47:30
manifestation and trying to manifest like little small things. And I started doing meditation
1:47:35
and I started doing breathwork. Once I got into that practice, that's when
1:47:41
I realized that all these people are full of crap and they have no idea
1:47:45
what they're talking about. It's completely different than people think. It's just this
1:47:48
huge, gigantic aha moment and the ets come down and communicate with you and
1:47:55
like all this stuff, And that's like the fantastical, fairytale version of what
1:48:00
it really is. You know, it's about ner peace, it's about having
1:48:03
you know, being honorable, being a good individual, and you know,
1:48:10
you can naturally release natural d MT in your brain. You can have psychedelic
1:48:16
experiences without using a substances as possible, but it does take work. It
1:48:21
takes practice, patience, persistence, the three p's right, Practice, patients,
1:48:27
persistence. You know. That's what I try and explain to people,
1:48:30
and me being critical of certain things doesn't mean that I'm not a spiritual person.
1:48:38
It doesn't mean that I don't practice spiritual activities because they have helped my
1:48:44
life and they do help me achieve things in my life. It's just it's
1:48:49
just wrapped up with so much garbage and junk, and it's difficult to sift
1:48:55
through all the garbage in the junk. And again, people want to just
1:49:00
they just want the solution, right, They just want that instant gratification,
1:49:03
when that's not the way that it works. It takes time and effort.
1:49:06
A part of it's also the I think it's a fallacy. It's the appeal
1:49:10
to authority. If someone dresses a certain way and projects themselves a certain way
1:49:15
and speaks with confidence, it doesn't matter what they say. People are more
1:49:17
inclined to believe it. And so if you are honest and say, like
1:49:23
I do on many of my shows, you know, here are facts,
1:49:26
here are opinions, here's my perspective. And sometimes when I'm quite certain of
1:49:30
something, I still might say but that's just the way that I view it.
1:49:34
And although this is the way I view it, and the way maybe
1:49:36
many ancient cultures viewed it, and maybe the way psychologists view it, you
1:49:41
have a different opinion. That's great. What is your opinion? Because your
1:49:44
opinion is valid, I'm not saying it's right, but you as an audience,
1:49:47
as a listener, you might have a viewpoint that's totally different than mine,
1:49:50
and it might give me a completely different perspective. In fact, a
1:49:55
few people brought things up at the talk I did at Nexus the other day,
1:50:00
and we had had a good conversation. Nobody got upset with some of
1:50:02
the things I brought up. And if people have brought up ideas or opinions
1:50:08
of certain symbols that I never even thought of, so that's good and we
1:50:13
should be doing that, but we shouldn't be listening to in my view,
1:50:15
we shouldn't be listening to authority figures that tell us this is the truth,
1:50:21
and then we're not allowed to question what they're saying because that is not the
1:50:27
truth. That is a cult, and that is, unfortunately, what a
1:50:30
lot of the paranormal and a lot of eufology is all based around. So
1:50:33
we are trying, I am trying to know writers trying to bring some sort
1:50:38
of balance to this, some sort of objectivity to this, And that means
1:50:43
that I should say, that doesn't mean that you don't believe. It's not
1:50:45
a matter of belief though, but you don't believe the remote viewing is a
1:50:48
thing. You've already said that tonight, that remote viewing is a is a
1:50:51
real thing, and it, and the military originally had gotten these programs going
1:50:59
because as someone was able to accurately remote view something from a distance just because
1:51:04
it's, you know, a thing, and it's real whatever that means.
1:51:08
It doesn't mean that it is a It is everything that people say that it
1:51:13
is. And that's that's the distinction I think we should be making with the
1:51:16
remote viewing or with any subject tonight. Same with UFOs. They're real,
1:51:19
but what is real? Do you believe in them? What does it matter?
1:51:23
What I believe. That's a belief. That doesn't mean that what you're
1:51:26
seeing is or isn't real because I believe it. This stuff gets into faith,
1:51:30
It gets into fairy tales. It quite literally gets into fairy tales.
1:51:33
It gets into dogma and doctrine, It gets into a lot of things,
1:51:38
become cults. You know the channeler jay Z Knight, She ran a giant
1:51:42
cult up in the Pacific Northwest. If you don't know about her, you
1:51:45
should look her up, channeling an Atlantean priest warrior god at whatever the hell
1:51:49
he was. So this is kind of what writer does. This is what
1:51:55
I do. If you've never listened to the Secret Teachings before, we're just
1:51:57
about out of time, so thirty seconds right, your YouTube and every other
1:52:01
place that people can find you. Thanks so much for having me on.
1:52:04
Ryan, really appreciate it. Always enjoy talking with you, brother. It's
1:52:08
always a good conversation. And if people are interested in checking out my work,
1:52:14
they can find me on Raise by Giants, on YouTube and Indy and
1:52:17
all podcast platforms. If they would like to reach out to me personally,
1:52:21
they can find me on x at Raised by Giants eight and Instagram at Raised
1:52:29
by Giants pod. I hope that everyone really enjoyed this conversation. I've put
1:52:34
a lot of work and a lot of research into it. I've read through
1:52:39
all of the documents that I could possibly get my hands on. So I
1:52:43
hope everyone enjoyed it, and I hope you enjoyed it as well. Ryan,
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thanks so much for having me and brother. I appreciate it. You're
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very welcome and I did very much enjoyed. I'm sure we'll have a couple
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of more shows, at least on the Secret Teachings. I'm sure your show
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as well, before we end up going to Contact in the Desert this year
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in late May early June, so we look forward to seeing you there,
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Writer and I will be there together. We are looking to fundraise here on
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the Secret Teachings for that, We're looking for about six hundred bucks over the
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next three months. People do this every year. They've supported us. People
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have bought me a plane ticket or paid for gas. It's huge. It
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really supports the show. I don't have anybody paying me and telling me what
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to say and what to do, which is why we can ask really tough
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questions to influential people at events like that. So that is Contact in the
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Desert coming up in late May early June, and I hope to see you
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there, writer and I will be there together. This is the Secret Teachings
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Triple dot. The Secret Teachings dot Info is the website if you'd like to
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reach out to the show already gable at yahoo dot com. My book,
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Oh Cult Arcana is available on our website, and also Garden of Hallucinations,
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another book I wrote, and in that book there is a gigantic section on
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the Ufo lore, the Ufo mythos. I think it's a really interesting book
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and I think that you would really enjoy it. Garden of uc Nations and
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Occult Arcana at the secret teachings dot I n f O. Stay safe,
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stay inform, stay healthy. I'll talk to you on the next broadcast.
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HM. HM