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Discovering Your Purpose In Your Healing Journey with Mo Wells · Just Heal with Dr Jay

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Just Hell with Doctor J, a production of
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  Speaker 1: the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: another episode of Just Here with Doctor J.
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  Speaker 2: And I am your host, Doctor J. Listen.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 2: And what is right is to subscribe. But listen.
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  Speaker 1: Other than that, I am excited about this episode today
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  Speaker 1: because many of you know my journey. I started out
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  Speaker 1: as a performance trainer, had my own company for many years,
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  Speaker 1: trained a lot of pro athletes before God shifted me
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  Speaker 1: into the mental health space. But today I get to
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  Speaker 1: talk to He may not feel in his own rights,
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  Speaker 1: but I feel like he's one of the ghats because
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  Speaker 1: you can't talk to no athletes that mo Well has
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  Speaker 1: not touched.
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  Speaker 2: I want to introduce to you, uh, my brother, your
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  Speaker 2: brother to the Heill and Circle. Mowell, My brother, how
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  Speaker 2: you doing?
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  Speaker 3: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Man here? You got the glasses on, listen, got the
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  Speaker 2: glasses on. Let y'all know he ain't playing. He come
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  Speaker 2: to cook a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Spike impression here.
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  Speaker 4: I love it, man, you know what, I get it
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  Speaker 4: every week, bro, every week.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, come on, come on, do right listen.
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about this episode because before we had you on,
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  Speaker 1: we had Jason Barrett uh nfl VET man, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he was talking about his journey and we'll get into
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  Speaker 1: uh some of the athletes that you had the opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to enhance and build.
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  Speaker 2: Uh them for their careers.
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  Speaker 1: But we're also talked about an athlete that was very
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  Speaker 1: dear to you, that had an unfortunate in that I
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  Speaker 1: was sort of brought in from a few family members
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  Speaker 1: when the incident occurred. But man, I'm so excited to
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  Speaker 1: talk to you more because when my cousin introduced me
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  Speaker 1: to you and he was telling me about what you do.
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  Speaker 1: I've been out of game for performance training for a
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  Speaker 1: number of years. I started when I was like twenty
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  Speaker 1: seven and stopped when I was about thirty five, so
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  Speaker 1: about ten years now. And one of the things that
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  Speaker 1: I miss, man, is just the camaraderie of being around
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  Speaker 1: those guys every day, whether it was combined prep or
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  Speaker 1: whether it was summer trading guys, was getting ready to
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  Speaker 1: return to camp, whether it was basketball, football. I trained
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  Speaker 1: a lot of hockey players, and so I worked with
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  Speaker 1: a lot of goaldies and a lot of wing players,
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  Speaker 1: and I trained a lot of shortstops and.
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  Speaker 2: Left middlefield and.
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  Speaker 1: In that world, Man, what was so special about it
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  Speaker 1: is seeing an athlete grow right and the skills. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to get into your sort of defining moments
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  Speaker 1: to get into that.
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  Speaker 2: But what has been one of the biggest.
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  Speaker 1: Sort of things that you've discovered about yourself as you
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  Speaker 1: have begun this journey improving and enhancing the performance of
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  Speaker 1: so many athletes.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that though one of the big things that
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  Speaker 4: I've proven to myself or my journey has showed to me, man,
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  Speaker 4: is that really.
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  Speaker 3: Anything is possible.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's kind of a cliche saying sometime, but man,
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  Speaker 4: I feel like I can't be stop.
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  Speaker 3: My girl always mess with me. She always talk.
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  Speaker 4: About, man, you think you invisible, man, And I don't
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  Speaker 4: think that I'm necessarily invincible, but I do feel like
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  Speaker 4: I can't be stopped when.
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  Speaker 3: It comes to whatever I set my mind to whatever.
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  Speaker 4: And that's just because of the feats that I've been
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  Speaker 4: able to accomplish, the things that I've been able to overcome.
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  Speaker 4: It puts me in a mind state of Okay, whenever
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  Speaker 4: I got in front of me, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Going to do it to one hundred and ten percent.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to be successful and.
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  Speaker 4: There's never a down in my mind that it won't leave.
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  Speaker 4: And that's how And that's been a really a strong
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  Speaker 4: defining moment for me for anything from playing sports growing
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  Speaker 4: up to going to McNee State, to transferring the Louisiana
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  Speaker 4: State University, to getting into the sports medicine performance field
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  Speaker 4: to overcome a mind what I call my off the
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  Speaker 4: field stuff, you know. So that's that's been a you know,
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  Speaker 4: deck will shoot two decades of divining career moments for
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  Speaker 4: me just being in this space.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you start off running track, right, Yeah, So
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  Speaker 1: you start off running track.
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  Speaker 2: You're running in McNee state.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, random McNee stay running formed hurdles, so random McNee State,
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  Speaker 4: and then transferred to LSU, also running formed hurdles. Then
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  Speaker 4: I went right into working for LSU and strength conditioning
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  Speaker 4: with football.
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  Speaker 1: So you go into working in the strength and conditioning
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  Speaker 1: and you study sports medicine and you work with all
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  Speaker 1: these athletes that you know, LSU has put out in
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  Speaker 1: so many different categories and so many different sports right
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  Speaker 1: in this space. Now, where were you always pursuing training
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  Speaker 1: and working with athletes or was it something that you
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  Speaker 1: sort of feel?
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  Speaker 3: No, man, it really found me.
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  Speaker 4: So I at first I want to be ultiply surgeon,
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  Speaker 4: right and selfishly enough, it was gonna take me too
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  Speaker 4: long to get reached. So I didn't want to be
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  Speaker 4: just getting into surgery and wherever I was gonna be
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  Speaker 4: have private practice over the case. And b when I
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  Speaker 4: was forty something, you know, I wanted to like get
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  Speaker 4: right into my field. And then I had pre physical therapy,
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  Speaker 4: so I was canice major health scientists and biology, and
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  Speaker 4: I didn't want to work respectfully with like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of geriatric I wanted to work just athletes physical therapy.
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  Speaker 4: You have a lot of geriatrics, man, so with that
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  Speaker 4: older population, the automobile accidents, all that stuff which can't
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  Speaker 4: be lucrative, but that's not I wanted to be just
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  Speaker 4: in sports. So I had a really good strength condition
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  Speaker 4: coach Jay Griudell at LSU when I was running track,
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  Speaker 4: and he was also the intern football internship coordinator as well, So.
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  Speaker 3: Out day after day.
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  Speaker 4: I've always been a student of my craft, you know,
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  Speaker 4: no matter what the craft is, I've always studied the game.
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  Speaker 4: That's from high school on up. Track wasn't my first
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  Speaker 4: four It was baseball, baseball and football. Started running track
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  Speaker 4: when I was in the ninth grade and shoot from there,
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  Speaker 4: just studying then asking him every day He's like, hey, man,
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  Speaker 4: like talk to me a little bit more about strength conditioning.
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  Speaker 4: I started working while I was in school, So I
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  Speaker 4: was working in turning on some huge names bout shaks later, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: Tommy Moffett, that I was under like Gail Hatch, that
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  Speaker 4: I was under a legend in the Olympic lifting space.
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  Speaker 3: And you know, he and Jay really steered me into
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  Speaker 3: that route.
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  Speaker 4: Man, and I saw a gap in the sports performance
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  Speaker 4: in which has helped me up to this day, was
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  Speaker 4: that there was a lack of true speed development of football,
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  Speaker 4: and there was a lack of adequate strength conditioning and
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  Speaker 4: track of field. So my initial goal was just to
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  Speaker 4: bridge that gap, and from there it just blossomed into
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  Speaker 4: everything else.
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  Speaker 3: You know, all the way.
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  Speaker 1: So it blossom too, uh, it's something into something else
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  Speaker 1: that and I and I often say that most of
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  Speaker 1: what we discover about our purpose, it's usually a mistake
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  Speaker 1: in some way.
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  Speaker 3: Essentially.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, oh, I wasn't trying to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not what I was trying to do that.
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  Speaker 4: And I thought I was gonna be doing surgeries on
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  Speaker 4: knees and stuff and that's not what Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, it's a great it's a good mistake
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  Speaker 1: that that that we made. And I like to say
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  Speaker 1: that you you stumble into your next You stumbling into
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  Speaker 1: your next and you're working with these athletes and and
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  Speaker 1: I know we talked briefly, but you you you were
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  Speaker 1: also navigating off the field things and to be an athlete.
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  Speaker 1: And I often say this for so many athletes, right,
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  Speaker 1: is so many times people see I played, they see
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  Speaker 1: our performance, but they never see us, Right, What was
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  Speaker 1: that like for you trying to manage off the field
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  Speaker 1: and how did you navigate through that?
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  Speaker 4: I think, man, and you probably have experienced this as
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  Speaker 4: well as that when you're showing up for everybody, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when you're always president, and you gotta think I joke
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  Speaker 4: all the time, man, But as a trainer, especially in
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  Speaker 4: the pro space, it's when I'm training more so like
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  Speaker 4: a barber shop.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a psychologist for everybody, you know, and that was
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  Speaker 4: my minor in school, but it shoot, nothing in school
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  Speaker 4: prepared you for what you experience and what I'm dealing
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  Speaker 4: with these guys, uh, male and female athletes. And the
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  Speaker 4: biggest thing in that regard is that man, ain't nobody
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  Speaker 4: really checking too much for you know, the person that's
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  Speaker 4: always given out. So having to navigate how to be
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  Speaker 4: strong but still be open about certain things with my
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  Speaker 4: little and the people that are around me and and
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  Speaker 4: not in a sense make sure I say it right
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  Speaker 4: to not come off this week and still be strong,
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  Speaker 4: you know, not always whine and complain about different stuff
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  Speaker 4: because I am very blessed un fortunate in the situation
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  Speaker 4: that I've been in and what I've overcome. But it
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  Speaker 4: gets tough trying to navigate that because it's man. It's
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  Speaker 4: like you reach out for a hand to get some help.
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  Speaker 4: But then at the same time it's like, well, as
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  Speaker 4: a man, I don't want to, you know, saying be
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  Speaker 4: too vulnerable. But then that's something I've worked on the
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  Speaker 4: past few years, is that leaning into that vulnerability and
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  Speaker 4: being more conversational with when I talk to my guys
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  Speaker 4: or talked about significant other and in certain situations and
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  Speaker 4: saying that you know.
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  Speaker 3: Well you got that going on.
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  Speaker 4: Well I'm gonna talk about stuff I got going on
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  Speaker 4: to you know, and just making it a two way street. First,
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  Speaker 4: just give give, give gift because at some point, man,
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  Speaker 4: that bucket get empty.
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  Speaker 3: And it gets tough.
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  Speaker 4: You hit that wall, and I, unfortunately I've hit the
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  Speaker 4: wall several times.
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  Speaker 3: Man.
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  Speaker 4: It's just like you know, and and if you don't
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  Speaker 4: know how to process and navigate it, it's confusing to me.
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  Speaker 3: Then what should I do? What am I doing wrong?
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  Speaker 3: Why am I feeling like this? You know, what does
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  Speaker 3: depression look like? What does depression feel like?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 3: Am I functioning with it?
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  Speaker 4: You know, different type of stuff like that, And it
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  Speaker 4: could be tough, So me navigated. And I think it's
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  Speaker 4: all environmental too, to come out on the other side
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  Speaker 4: of any of that, being in these environments, being in
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  Speaker 4: a performance space, being around positive people.
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  Speaker 3: Like I can't do anything nigga, I can't.
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  Speaker 4: I can't be around a bunch of niggive stuff because
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  Speaker 4: you know, I feel like it just.
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  Speaker 3: Pulls you down.
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  Speaker 4: So being around like I like, for instance, I won't
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  Speaker 4: train certain athletes if they're messing up the environment.
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  Speaker 3: You know, pro I don't give damn who you are.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I won't do it.
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  Speaker 1: So what I'm what I'm hearing from you is to
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  Speaker 1: protect your mental you have to sort of vet the
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  Speaker 1: athletes mental on if you're going to bring them into your.
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  Speaker 4: Spe Absolutely, and I don't shy away from any type
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  Speaker 4: of task. You know, I was just going through this
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  Speaker 4: a few weeks with pre draft, and I don't shy
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  Speaker 4: away from anybody.
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  Speaker 3: Unless like super disruptive.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I don't care what an athlete is going
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  Speaker 4: through person, because we all go through stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 3: That's I take that head on now. But as long
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  Speaker 3: as they're.
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  Speaker 4: Not disruptive, disrespectful, all that stuff, then we're in a
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  Speaker 4: good space. I think, Shoot and my career, I think
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  Speaker 4: God when he gave me this gift, he was like, man,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you have the best athletes in the world,
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  Speaker 4: but I'm also gonna give you all.
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  Speaker 3: The athletes that got some issues.
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  Speaker 4: So and if you look at my roster, man I
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  Speaker 4: got some I've had to, you know, run through the
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  Speaker 4: fire with.
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  Speaker 3: Some of these guys.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when it comes to the stuff that they've
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  Speaker 4: had to deal with on the field, on the court,
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  Speaker 4: off off the court, off the field, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: I wouldn't have it any other way because it solidifies
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  Speaker 4: our bond. You know, I have a higher attention rate
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  Speaker 4: when it comes to working with these guys, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: they always always come back because they feel comfortable and
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  Speaker 4: they're getting the experience well.
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  Speaker 1: And I think in some way, right, when you look
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  Speaker 1: at a lot of these athletes, right, it's a bit congenital,
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  Speaker 1: meaning that a lot of these things had sort of
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  Speaker 1: has been with them since burden. Yeah, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: these things are in some way it's ingrained. And as
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking to parents, when I'm counseling an athlete or
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  Speaker 1: a parent says, my son is battling depression he's going
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  Speaker 1: through or not playing, particularly for guys that are trying
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  Speaker 1: to recover from an injury, or a guy who is
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  Speaker 1: leaving high school trying to enter into the college ranks,
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  Speaker 1: or a guy who's iner into the pro ranks and
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  Speaker 1: trying to find his way.
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  Speaker 2: Because coaches don't develop people.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm saying this right as as a majority, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: They do not.
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  Speaker 1: They develop talent, and unfortunately is by developed talent. You
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  Speaker 1: have a lot of guys who are under developed in
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  Speaker 1: their character, in their emotions, and in the way that
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  Speaker 1: they socialized. Because the way that we have been socialized
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  Speaker 1: is that you never tell when you're injured.
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  Speaker 3: Shut it up.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm hurt, that means I can keep going. If
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  Speaker 1: I'm injured, man, that means I may got to take
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  Speaker 1: a playoff, or I may have to miss a game,
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  Speaker 1: or I may have to not suit up. And what
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  Speaker 1: I'm hearing from you is that we have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys that are playing, but they're really.
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  Speaker 3: Injured one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 4: And that to that testament, Man, I went through with
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  Speaker 4: myself when I was running the LSU and mentally and physically,
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  Speaker 4: you know, I went through my brain turning situation, and
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  Speaker 4: I was running through all of that pain.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was running through them almost so down.
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  Speaker 2: You was running with a brain tour.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I had that. I thought you knew I was.
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  Speaker 3: I had a brain toom for fifteen years.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know it what yep, But I found out
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  Speaker 4: about it my senior year at LSU.
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  Speaker 3: I had a a ninja on.
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  Speaker 4: My brain tumor almost took me, took me from down
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  Speaker 4: here ended up having to get a cranky out of me.
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  Speaker 4: My senior year, I was the week of national championships.
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  Speaker 4: I had just started my internship with LSU football, and yeah, man,
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  Speaker 4: it was huge.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the size of a tennis ball.
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  Speaker 1: You had a tumor the size of the tennis ball.
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  Speaker 1: What what? What led to the discovery?
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  Speaker 4: So I was having So where I was I was
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  Speaker 4: more so like back end of the roster, right, You're thinking,
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  Speaker 4: like I practiced squad. I was a decent hurler. I
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  Speaker 4: was better than the South of the conference than in
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  Speaker 4: the SEC. So I knew that we talk about, you know,
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  Speaker 4: mentally and physically being hurt and injured. If I showed
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  Speaker 4: too much weakness mentally or physically, I can get my
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  Speaker 4: ass cut, you know. And I was like, I got
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  Speaker 4: to power through it. So I was always if there
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  Speaker 4: are seven days in a week and we trained six days,
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  Speaker 4: for of those days, I had a migraine and my
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  Speaker 4: body was hurting or when it was traveling and stuff
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  Speaker 4: I was throwing up. It was all but it was
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  Speaker 4: all like stomach virus symptoms. It happened either weekly or
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  Speaker 4: like bi weekly all the time. And that started happening
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  Speaker 4: my sophomore year of college and it got progressively worse.
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  Speaker 4: So my last year l s U. It was one
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  Speaker 4: day I started my internship. It was like four in
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  Speaker 4: the morning.
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  Speaker 3: I woke up.
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  Speaker 4: Man, my gram was so bad, my teeth hurting, throwing
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  Speaker 4: up through up till one nothing left, and uh, I
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  Speaker 4: called everybody, called so many people with nobody answer the phones.
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  Speaker 4: Four in the one and I drove myself to the
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  Speaker 4: er and went to the hospital. Ended up giving me
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  Speaker 4: like basic treatment like you would get in and when
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  Speaker 4: you go, tell I feel like I got the stomach virus.
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  Speaker 2: Blah blah.
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  Speaker 4: Gave me fluids thankfully because I was actually about to
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  Speaker 4: have a stroke. But thankfully one of the doctors that
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  Speaker 4: was there knew me for running track at l s U.
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  Speaker 3: So he walked in, came in, saw me, and he
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  Speaker 3: said me, let's do it. Let's do a cast. Let's
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  Speaker 3: just see what's going on, you know, with your head.
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  Speaker 3: Biggest day. It admitted me immediately, you're the MRI. But
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  Speaker 3: it was.
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  Speaker 4: It was a blessing. And it was such a blessing
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  Speaker 4: and even as soon as yesterday because I have an athlete,
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  Speaker 4: that's what my group now, and I was he was
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  Speaker 4: asking me some questions and his sister had passed away
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  Speaker 4: from the same thing. Wow, and uh, so I was
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  Speaker 4: in I was in hospital about ten days. I got
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  Speaker 4: my surgery on day seven. Didn't lose any motor function,
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: didn't lose any memory. Uh, didn't lose any speech and everything.
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: I went back to work ten days after that.
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: I'm a pause, brothers, because God is real.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: There's many people that I know that have had brain tumors, uh,
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: and it wasn't discovering until they was gone. You have
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: a brain tumor surgery within ten days and you're back
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: to work ten days.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: So it goes back to kind and you know, they say,
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: you know, you got to have a certain sense of
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: intendity to do certain stuff and feel certain ways when
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: it comes to work ethic. And yeah, you just said delusion.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: That'd be a little bit of delusion about certain stuff.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: I didn't think I was gonna know it was gonna
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: fake me whatsoever.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: I didn't think I.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: Wasn't gonna come out on the other side of it
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: like I went into a head on, just like I
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: do everything else. And you know, it's a pro and
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: a can for me mentally sometimes, but it worked out
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: in that sense because I was never negative about it.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I always had a positive thinking. I always do. God
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: had a plan for me.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: And you know, thankfully I did come out on the
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: positive end of that because in LSU, I'm thankful that
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: was one of my best decisions I've made in my
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: career as far as that transfer, because should they found
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: it over you know, and that community wrapped their ours
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: around me after the.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Fact, you know, and shoot out. Like I said, I went,
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I went back to work.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to lose my GA spot over there.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: So wrap that thing up right back to work.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: So and your your your your your resilience is it's unmatched.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: And I wonder how strong is your mental how is
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: your emotions?
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: With me growing up, it's not hard to explain. With
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: me growing up, I grew up a little bit differently, man.
• 18:20
  Speaker 4: I always had to be from a very very young age.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I had to be the strong one, you.
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: Know, And I think as you get older there's certain
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: cars that come with being the strong one in your
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: whole life.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: So, and just for instance, sympathy and empathy hard for me,
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: you know, hard for me because I'm like suck it up.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: Yo, Noah, I gotta ask you because you mentioned your lady,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I got to ask you, how was that in a
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: relationship to you?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Really tough?
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Super tough, absolutely, And it's not it's not like either
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: one of us do anything wrong, even previously. It's not
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: like doing anything wrong. But I just have sometimes have
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: a hard time of just dropping my shoulders, relaxing, being open,
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: being vulnerable, you know, not understandable. I feel like everybody
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: should be this strong type of you know, type of
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: thing that I've had to fight with.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: And it's got like I said, it's gotten better over
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: the week years.
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: Like I tell all my athetes, I said, Man, if
• 19:19
  Speaker 4: you have a habit for twenty one years, twenty two years,
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: and you think you're gonna go to the NFL and
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: that habit, you just gonna not have that habit anymore.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work like that.
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: So I'm thirty three down. So you know, it took
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: some years. Like them early twenties, late twenties was just carousel.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: And then me too. I'm nomadic when it comes to my.
• 19:38
  Speaker 4: Work, so I've lived in five different states when it
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: comes to work. So I during my twenties, I put
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: my head down. I was just going, just going, just
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: working work. I didn't make any room for any type
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: of emotional intelligence. You know, it wasn't important to me,
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: you know, so you put it on backboard, and then
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: you get with a person that emotional intelligence is super
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: important and it makes you if you want to be
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: in it and it just makes you develop, you know.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: And the main thing with my communication now, because I
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: am a pretty efficient communicator, the main thing is now
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: is that, hey, I'm making a lot of changes, Like
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: I feel like I can't rush the.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Paste of what I'm doing.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I'm still having to understand and grow and develop as
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: I you know, go through it all.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: But you know, the beauty of what you just shared, man,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: and the way that you just articulated it, I think
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of men, particularly athletes, and even some men
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: that are not athletes, right, it takes a level of
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: awareness and a level of consciousness to even convey it
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: the way that you did, because that's one of the
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: things that we have as athletes that is often times,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: you know, really the driver for us to be great
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in what we do, because it is a bit actuomatic,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: meaning that for the athlete to be great, his work
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: ethic has to be greater.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know what I'm saying.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so when when when I when I think
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: about what you're saying.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Because for me, I wouldn't say it was suffering.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: But I functioned in that way because in sports you
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: can't express emotions right and and and especially when it
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: comes to words right now, you can express emotions through
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: your plate, but expressing emotions with your language is very difficult.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: Say so when you get in a relationship and she's
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: asking you tell me.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: How you feel more, Yeah, you got to expound, you know.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: And I think what helped me now was being with
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: somebody that asked the second question after you know what
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, so can you tell me how you feel?
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Then that follow question that goes back and just peeling
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: back layers of you know, dabbing into your your emotional IQ,
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: you know, and who you want to be as a
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: part of because like you said, as a I work.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: To me, I work harder than my athletes and my arena,
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you know, stay get up early, stay up late. Obviously
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: starting businesses, doing all this different stuff, and it's it
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: was hard for me and I'm still working going into
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: make like I said makes space not only emotionally, but
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: from time commitment. I never had to give many people
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: my time. I was always at work, you know, from
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: a you know, like I said that emotional intelligence to
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: sharing the space, to all these different things that go
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: into making network and then doing the hard stuff and
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: not just walking away from it, because I've always been
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: able to say, all right, man, I ain't doing this,
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: you know, but no, nobody won't go through life alone.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: So so you have to work on yourself. And I
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: think with the athletes it's tough for them because they're
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: always being sought after.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Right, So you don't know, you don't know who you
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: can trust.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Right, You don't know who you can trust when you
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: have a hero complant, because we've likely saved everybody Mama,
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: daddy's sister, brother, uncle, friend's best friends. So you have
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: the hero complex already. So the world already on your back.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: You got everybody propped up, you know. And then from
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: a significant other standpoint, it's like they coming every which
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: your way, right, so you have a trust factor. And
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: then too, especially if you treat the stuff like it's disposable,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: then you're just in a carousel. Right, So you got
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: a backpack in the front and the backpack in the back,
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: like everything is heavy, you know, everything is heavy. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and I don't think these guys take enough time to
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: navigate through that.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: And a lot of times before it's too late. They'd
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: be forties fifties before you start trying to navigate, you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: and by then you.
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: Like, no, why didn't want to deal with a super
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: growl man that can't function, you know, mentally, emotionally.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: Somebody want to deal with that, you know. So I
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: think I'll create.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: A safe space with these athletes to where we are
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: open and honest about everything.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: We have the conversations, and if there's anything outside of
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: my scope of practice, like we collaborated, I already on
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: an athlete, I'm going right to the professional, you know,
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: and making sure that they're hurt. Man.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: I tell you, it's so beautiful because.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: I didn't really see life differently until I begin opening
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: my heart and not just to receive love, but opening
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: my heart to understand love.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Because when when when you're an athlete.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: And when you are just a man who's trying to navigate, Ah,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you don't think you need love?
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: H I'm good yeah, I'm straight.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: I got money, I got a job, got a house,
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: I got cars, women every which way.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Like I'm you know, I'm like.
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: And the thing is, the athlete is say, you don't
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: think they don't even know what love is for real?
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, because you've been sought out
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: after as a yes, this give me game and give
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: me right.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: So outside of your probably your parents.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: And a lot of times if that, you know what
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: I'm saying, because once they figured out you good at sports,
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: and it's it's like I've seen it over the years.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I'm twelve years in and dynamics change between you know,
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: at at athletes and their parents and significant others, you know,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: and and it's it's unfortunate because a lot of times
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: they don't realize what they're doing to the athlete that
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: it is too late.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and usually you're turning them into machines, and you
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: turn them into robots to where they don't even understand
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: their own humanity. And when they no longer can perform,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and you don't have the applause, you don't have the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: od of boys, and you don't have the cheers of
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the crowd, and you don't have the energy of the
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: stadium and you're left with just you.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: What do you do with you?
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why we you know, and you can attest
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: to this as well, is you got to finders who
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: are why you're still while you're playing. Y'all start early.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: That stadium get when that stadium get quiet on you.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: It's tough to navigate, and especially if you have a
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: partner that you can't navigate, that can't navigate with you,
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: you know, to navigate certain space together.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: But doing that alone man, and drives guys crazy.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: I've seen it, man, I I you know, when I
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: was talking to your guys, I can see that they
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: were so locked in and and I can tell that
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: they was receptive of it, because you know, I was
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: watching Bishop Jakes when he was interviewing Cam Newton, and
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and he was talking to Cam about you know, uh,
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: there's a you that's.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Leaving you that you won't even remember in some parts.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm kind of paraphrasing, because there's parts of us
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: that will be irrelevant at some stage in life, absolutely
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that somebody may remember you.
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: It said, oh oh yeah, he.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: Was such and such he used to be saying.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But but there's a you that you have to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: become comfortable with, uh, with the you that is no
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: longer needed, or you that is no longer in function
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: because its function doesn't support and and and doesn't serve
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you in the capacity of now and what I love
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: that you're doing and and and incorporating. You know, the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: mental health aspect. The mental health aspect with these athletes
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is because I'm not really concerned about how you perform.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: And it's a big thing and it's important, but if
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: your performance off field isn't good, on field would be
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a nightmare when you can't do it right and you
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: find yourself sitting in a dark room. Uh, you got
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the contract, but you don't have a peace of mind.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: You got the brands, and you got all of the
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: who's who and you can call, but you don't have
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: a real space or real community where you could be
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: you and not be the you that everyone is so
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: accustomed to seeing, right and you learning more about you
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: to become vulnerable with them allows.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Them to see the man that they have to be
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: beyond what you're training them.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: To do, absolutely without a doubt.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And it goes a long way because man, and they
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: notice it, you know, Like I said, I don't talk
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: to about guys like drill sergeant A real conversations. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: don't yell when I coach you're training, I don't you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: I say, I don't have a whistle out there. You know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: everything is conversational. You know, when you get guys to
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: open up and be honest with them and you learn
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: about them, you know what they like with it, just
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: like what they're going through, what they've overcome. And it's
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: a beautiful process, man, especially when you can steer guys,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: you know, out of the ditch when they're about to
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: drive off the road. You know, that's always It's always
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: been special me and it also helps me. It gives
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: me a more sense of purpose well, you know, to
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: be able to provide and be vulnerable ourselfs, be able
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: to provide that space for and you know, it's like
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: I'm saying about sometimes it's a passion project. Well for
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: me and doing the work with the athletes.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to transition. You had an athlete
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: that that was a prototype, a big personality, but then
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: you can also see when I looked in his eyes,
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: you can also see that there was just some parts
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: in him that's just like you know, I'd rather be
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: left alone. Uh, he goes through this life changing experience
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: that we later found out that he had nothing to do.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Kiren was was a generational talent, you know what I mean,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: big frame, catching with his hand, big physical guy.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: You had them in your pre draft camp.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: And for most of you don't know, Moe was working
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with Calvin Lacy every day.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: How has that been for you?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: As I'm sure that you still grieve his passing having
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: worked with him and having spent so many hours with him.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: That was tough man. That was That was my tough one.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: So unfortunately, I've had that situation happen five.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: Times, so the outcome outcome five times.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: Because statistically right, and you know statistics about when it
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: comes to those things of that nature. I've trained over
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: a thousand athletes, you know what I'm saying, professional not
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: just that don't include like high school or collegs like
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: pro just pros. And you know, one way or another,
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: for one reason or or another, those situations that happened.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: But that one hit home because because you can, like
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: you say, you can look at you as you can
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: see it. Man, you can see it, and it wasn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: performative of how he was with everybody. He was a
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: true beautiful soul, you know, and you know he was
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: going through something and I was really you know, it's
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: differently yet everybody goes through stuff, right, So everybody goes
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: through stuff, and it's different when you're going through something
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: with somebody and then they come out on the other
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: side victorious of it.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: It's a completely different thing when you are going through
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: something with somebody.
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: And they don't come out victorious on the other side.
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: So that one messed me up, man, from the three
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: o'clock in the morning when I got the call immediately
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: when it happened to the service, to me being pissed
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: off at my job for how they handled the situation,
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: to you know, after the fact when the real videos
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: and stuff came out, and you know, he just it's unfortunate.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: It hurts because it for his family.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: His siblings, mom, dad, everybody, because like I said, he
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: was generational, you know what I'm saying, but generation on
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: and off the field.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: You know, it's a great human being.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Real Louisiana boy didn't bother nobody, you know, he was
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: always a joy of being around. So going through something
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: like that, man, it's tough because it could be anybody.
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: I had an athlete the other day before your session.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: He was like, man, he said, Man, do I have
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: to go to the mental stuff? He said, all my
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: mental good? I said, man, you think your mental is
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: good until it isn't, you know, so you need to
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: get out in front of anything that could come your way.
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: Of course, he took his essl stairs. But seeing that
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: makes me advocated and go through that. I was already
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: advocating for it before, right, because once again you think
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: you're okay until you're not.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: And and it can be anybody.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: Can be It can literally be anybody in those situations,
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: especially when it could man the cars, the all man,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: there's so many different ways, so many different scenarios that
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: can happen.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: So dealing with the chiro stuff, man, it was tough.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Still tough seeing his siblings, seeing his parents, you know,
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: on social media and everything like that. You know, but
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: you find your will power knowing that now you got
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: an even.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Bigger purpose to find the lighted more people. Right.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: So when I talk about like my passion project, okay,
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: hey all right, maybe I you know, for me, it
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: was like my meeting thought was what else could I
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: have done.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: You know, it was like what else? What else could
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: I have said?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: What else could I have you know, put in front
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: of him?
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: What else could you know? Could have been at his forefoot?
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Shit?
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: Should I have driven him back to back? You know
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: what I'm saying, So different types, all type of stuff
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  Speaker 4: starts running through your head, man, And I think it
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: goes to say for me is that you can't flinch.
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  Speaker 4: And what I mean by that is that if you
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: think something's wrong with somebody.
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  Speaker 3: You can't flinch. You gotta go in full head, full
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: steam ahead, you know.
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: And you know, and like I said, peeling back those layers, Okay,
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: like hey man, you do it.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: You're good, You're good, blah blah blah. Yeah, they always
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: gonna say me, I'm fine, you know, you gotta help.
• 34:11
  Speaker 3: Are you sure? You know what I'm saying. I'm noticing this.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: I'm noticing that y'all've really really really started.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: To try to dive and deep into peel layers with
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: my guys as organically as possible before and after that situation,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: but since.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: Then, and another hype for.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, you know that that situation with Karraen Man was.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: It was.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: It was you know, anytime that happens, because I've lived
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and made it to the other side of it. It's
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: always triggering for me because I often think about my
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: testimony of surviving two attempts h and to try to,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you know, in some way put into work.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: What are they thinking in our last moments, you know?
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: And I often tell people, I said, if you're not careful,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: pressure has a way of making you feel that there's
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: no way out, and that the only way out is
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: you not being here but your exit. And one of
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: the things that I have really grown to learn in
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: this space is just really understanding the power of not
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just creating space because we all tell you, oh, you
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: got to create space and make us safe space, but
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: holding it because when he was going through that ordeal, man,
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: I think one of the and and one of the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: things man that I wish, you know, I didn't have
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: social media when I was coming up, thank God. But
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: what I'm hoping that as these athletes, as I'm so
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: excited that they got these n IL deals, everybody's get
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: into the bag, but hoping that they're support here because
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: if you ain't got this, and if this is not stable,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: if this is not in a place, and it becomes
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: very tenuous, and it becomes very vulnerable and becomes a
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: very fragile. It doesn't matter what they give you, you
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I think it's so important
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: and it's so vital that we look at these athletes
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: as being more than just spectacles of our entertainment, that
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: these are human beings, because we have treated these athletes
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: more as if they're just robots, and when they.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Have human moments, we're surprised.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Same stuff you do just don on TeV exactly one hundred.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: It's like that they're humans that and and when I
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: look at he's a.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Baby, absolutely absolutely, And it is tough because you know
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: they are humans, you know, Like I said, I gotta
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: I have a roster Kyra Lacy, John Moran, Javonte Davis Quin,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: Shawn Juggins, like.
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: So much stuff.
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: We have to go through the fire with these guys
• 37:23
  Speaker 4: with and make sure that I, like you talk about
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: holding that space and and not turning my back on
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: them because a lot of people will to do that.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 37:31
  Speaker 4: And it's it is bad now because like I was
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: saying earlier, you know, now with the nil stuff, because
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: the hero complex is starting earlier now is taking away
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: the innocence for a lot of these young kids.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Right, So you're getting paid.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: In high school, right, you get paid in high school
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: now the more hands come out early, So high school
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: I am to pay nobody.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I have to, you know what I'm saying. I have
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: to you know, have the hero complex.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Heah, I have to do it emotionally, but I have
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: to do it financially, right and and which makes everything.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And I've already seen the trickle down effect to that.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: And you know, I can't save the whole world, but
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: I do hope and pray that these people are or
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: taking care of these young men and women's mental you know,
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: as their ass getting to the bag. Getting into the
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: bag has his consequences at the same time, so consequences,
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: man has its consequences.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Man, brother, I just want to say, mold man, I'm
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: proud of you, brother, black man and black man. I'm
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: proud of who you're becoming. I'm proud of what you represent.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I'm proud of who you are to these young men.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: It brings me great joy to see somebody else thriving
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: in a space that I used to be in and
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to see you doing it in that way because when
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I was training athletes, I didn't understand the mental aspect
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: of it, which is why God was like, I'm gonna
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: move you out of here and I'm gonna put you
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: over there because I need you to focus on this.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: But also he at me focusing on my own healing,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: right because for me, sports was escape.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: It was how I was.
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: So that was most of us growing up.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: It was an escape what I had going on at
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: home and in the neighborhood. My sports was got played
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: five six different sports, and it was an escape.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Man.
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: It was my It was my safe haven, you know what.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: And now that pressure, you know, for a lot of
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: it takes the fun out of it for a lot
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: of these young man. So I'm trying to just make
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: sure that we still have our joy.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: You know you all love it.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Man, brother, I love it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: You may have an young athlete, male or female, and
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: you may be getting them training. You may have them
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: going to the best hidden coach. You may have them
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: going to the best throwing coach. You may have them
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: doing position drills, you may have them doing sports.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Specific or position specific work.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: But I want to say this that mental it's just
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: as important as their physical because though we play the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: game with our body, but you do life from your mind.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And what I'm hoping is that as you watch this
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: episode and you listen to Mo and listen to this
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: journey and the work that he does, that you see
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: how important it is for these athletes to have the
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: balance of not only just.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: The physical training, but the mental training as.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Well, because you're only as strong as your mind is,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: and so many times we think that you only strong
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: as your body, but you only show in your mind.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Because I've seen guys with great physical strength but mentally weak.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Mo.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: As we're closing out, Man, two things I want to
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: ask of you, brother, and I'll come back to my
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: last question, but if you can speak, and this is
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: your camera right here, if you can speak to an
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: athlete and share some words of wisdom to them, Man,
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: what would you say?
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: I would definitely say, Man, if I had to speak
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: to an athlete, I'll just have to say, Man, it's okay.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: It's okay, no matter what you're going through or what's
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: going on, it's okay. And what I mean by it it's
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: okay is it's okay to feel how you feel.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: It's okay to go through what you're going through.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: It's okay to get help, It's okay to say something verbally,
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: you know, it's okay all these big emotions that these
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: guys go through, guys and women go through that I
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: work with, it's okay. And nobody's going to look down
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: on you. Nobody's gonna think less than of you. Nobody's
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: going to shun you, you know, for being vulnerable and
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: being a human being because a lot of times that
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: you don't have the opportunity to be just that openly, right,
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: you got to do.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: It behind closed doors. And man, it's okay. That's all.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: And anybody that I've worked with, I told you about
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: my five situations, and I wish I could if I
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: could do one thing, man, I would just hold them
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: and say it's okay, right to feel how you feel
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: and go through what it's going to because we're here
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: with you and there's likely somebody around you that's also
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: with you as well.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Just got to be open and be okay about it.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so thank you for sharing that message. Man.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Is My show is all about healing, is about mental
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: health and wellness and all those things, and always asks
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: every guest this question and when I ask you to say,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: what does when you hear the word healing, what does
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: that mean tomorrow?
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: To me?
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I think healing means first and foremost.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Facing what you're trying to heal from, right to whether
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: it's how you are up, your upbringing, how somebody treated you,
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: how a relation looks, relationship impacted you. You gotta face it,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta tear it down and face what
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: you're really going to. It makes you feel because I
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: used to have a big problem with anger, and I
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: had to figure out why why why are you so mad?
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: Like where you so upset about? Why does every little
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: thing tick you tick you off? Or why do certain
• 42:59
  Speaker 4: things sort of situations trigger you? And you know and
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: and and that's as a huge thing for me. Right
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: So so when it's time to heal, man, you just
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: gotta feel what you what do you have big emotions about?
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: So you got to face a head on That's what
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: I think immediately when I think about healing. And because
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: wes out of ten bro, I feel like we know
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: what areas and what arenas we need to improve all.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: You know, it's not like we're dumb founded, like we
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: know we just put it to the side, right, can't
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: put it to the side, and you got to face
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: a head on man.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: But I love that. Man. I'm gonna tell you that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: so powerful. And as we're closing our.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you need to heal from, and
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you push to the side. I
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: don't know what you have said I can do it tomorrow.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: So many times our next is upheld by what we're
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: not willing to do and are now. And I want
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: to challenge you, as my brother Mo said, you gotta
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: face it. And sometimes facing it is probably the most
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: difficult thing because you will.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: Probably say, doctor j I don't want to touch that.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Matter of fact, let me.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: Put some gloves on and touch it, because to touch
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: it it just makes me feel icky. It makes me
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: feel nasty, It makes me feel some type of way.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: But that's healing. Healing is facing the ugliness of you,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: not because something is wrong, but something went wrong, and
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: somewhere in that you lost who you truly are and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: who you truly were meant to be. Because trauma has
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: a way of restructing our brains. And I'm challenging you
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: to face it so you can become a better youth.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: Listen. I want to say thank you to my brother
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: mo Man. This is great brother. Man.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: I love your wisdom and insight. This is a brilliant brother.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: This brother is all over the country athletes phenomenal. But
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm you know, I don't like to talk
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: about how phenomenal people are in their fields. I like
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: to talk about how phenomenal people are and just their being.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: He's an even phenomenal brother, even better person. And that's
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: what really brings Jordan me. Man, to see your humility man,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: and even in all your giftedness and your skill set
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: with these athletes.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: So this is just here with Doctor J.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: And until next time, heally is a journey and wholeness
• 45:35
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