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The Bolt Report | 24 June · The Bolt Report

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: This is the reform it tonight. Well, we had some
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: bad news just before the show, and paul and Hanson
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: will be coming in at the end of the show
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: after she's gone to a function to pay some tributes
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: and plenty more tonight the Treasurer forced to correct the
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: Housing Minister is costs rise and housing prices fall, and
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: so much for renewable energy. We've been hit with the
• 0:39
  Speaker 1: massive wind drought. But let's get stuck in. It is
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: incredible the chaos that Paul and Hanson has caused by
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: calling for an end to multi culturalism. The chaos now
• 0:52
  Speaker 1: in the political class, the fury, the hate, and especially
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: the lies and the cowardice we're seen. But before I
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: get to those handsome haters and to her up yours
• 1:04
  Speaker 1: response to them, today, let me show you a stunning
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  Speaker 1: example of exactly the multicultural industry we're talking about, the
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  Speaker 1: one that Hanson's up against and for good reason, trying
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  Speaker 1: to quash. SBS, the taxpayer funded multicultural broadcaster, actually ran
• 1:24
  Speaker 1: this ad for its Punjabi radio program. One Nation leader
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson says Australia shall be a mounticultural but multiracial society,
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  Speaker 1: but Marcroan Australians ask which culture will dominate, which will dominate?
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  Speaker 1: Is that what we were up to. I think community
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  Speaker 1: is wrestling to be top dog in this country. I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's extraordinary. Now, of course, maybe unfair because maybe
• 1:51
  Speaker 1: the show itself was more reasonable. Maybe it's said that
• 1:55
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson and a One Nation Party actually have a
• 1:59
  Speaker 1: point and put Jabi's approve. Well, let's listen in to
• 2:04
  Speaker 1: how the show.
• 2:05
  Speaker 2: Started One Nation Party, the yagu Pauline Hansen nikowar fops up.
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  Speaker 1: Sorry about that. Of course, almost none of you speak Punjabi,
• 2:18
  Speaker 1: so that show is utterly useless to you. Yet you
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  Speaker 1: pay for it even though you have no idea what
• 2:25
  Speaker 1: they were discussing on your dime, just like you've got
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  Speaker 1: no idea what the Espirs Mandarin service says or it's
• 2:33
  Speaker 1: Arabic one. And you pay for these shows, and this
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  Speaker 1: Punjabi show right now, you pay for it even though
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  Speaker 1: every Punjabi that I've met here speaks English, most of
• 2:45
  Speaker 1: them extremely well. So why are we paying for them
• 2:49
  Speaker 1: to hear a Punjabi radio program in Australia, especially if
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: they get punjab shows and podcasts for free on the internet.
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  Speaker 1: And how does this kind of thing helped with integration
• 3:02
  Speaker 1: and assimilation anyway. That's the taxpayer funded multicultural industry hitting
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: back at one nation. But of course SPS is not alone.
• 3:12
  Speaker 1: Labor and the Liberals are also attacking Hanson, although I
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  Speaker 1: have to say the Liberals now are in total chaos.
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  Speaker 1: Hanson has confused them to say the least. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: are they for multiculturalism, which is actually a policy to
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  Speaker 1: encourage people to keep their culture and stay in their tribes.
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  Speaker 1: Are they for that or against? Well, leader Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 1: has no clue. I mean last week I showed you
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  Speaker 1: he he sme at Hanson as a racist. Yesterday though,
• 3:41
  Speaker 1: and I showed you that too. He was too scared
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  Speaker 1: to say either yes or no to multiculturalism and waffled.
• 3:48
  Speaker 1: But then today, facing a revolt by the liberal left,
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  Speaker 1: how could he not express an opinion for multiculturalism. He
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  Speaker 1: had a third crack, and this time hinting kind of
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  Speaker 1: maybe that it was for multiculturalism in a way.
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  Speaker 3: Making sure that people that come to this country contribute
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  Speaker 3: to this country and commit to it. That's not a monoculture,
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  Speaker 3: but it is requiring that people adopt Australian values. They
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  Speaker 3: are not welcome if they're not prepared to do that. Now,
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  Speaker 3: you can call out whatever you like, but I just
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  Speaker 3: think that's common sense and I'd rather talk about common
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  Speaker 3: sense on this than these labels that people love to give.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it is a version of multiculturalism.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's a kind of multiculturalist. I mean, just hopeless.
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  Speaker 1: Now you contrast that with this new party president former
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  Speaker 1: premise to Tony Abbott last nar contradicting Taylor, making him
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: seem weak in comparison, but essentially agreeing with Hanson on
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  Speaker 1: having a public monoculture. Whatever your private culture may.
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  Speaker 4: Be, Australia has a core Anglo Celtic culture. We have
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  Speaker 4: a foundational Judeo Christian ethos never change.
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  Speaker 1: But it's not just Taylor. I mean, I haven't even
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  Speaker 1: begun to show you how impossibly divided the rest of
• 5:08
  Speaker 1: the Liberals are over this critical issue. But I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you a hint. Take the Liberals Foreign Affairs spokesman Tell O'Brien, who,
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  Speaker 1: in his own Nationals Press Club appearance today did people
• 5:23
  Speaker 1: watch it like they watched Hanson's anyway, made perhaps the
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  Speaker 1: most stupid and dishonest criticism yet of what Hanson said
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  Speaker 1: last week when she called for a monoculture.
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  Speaker 5: The thought that Johnny who's at work speaking English can't
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  Speaker 5: go home and speak Italian to his honor.
• 5:43
  Speaker 1: That's nuts.
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  Speaker 6: That's all sort of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a later, Ted, stop playing up to that left
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  Speaker 1: wing crowd there. That's pathetic. I mean Hanson never suggested
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  Speaker 1: you couldn't talk Italian at home, or Greek or Arabic
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. She said. Instead, we had a real problem
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  Speaker 1: with nearly nine hundred thousand Australians say they speak no
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  Speaker 1: English or only badly. You don't think that's a problem, Ted,
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: Ted was Ted o'brown who was dishonest today as the
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  Speaker 1: Prime Minister was. I think it was a yesterday when
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: he suggested Hanson wanted to ban ethnic festivals. I mean,
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: look at it. We're dancing a storm up at a
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  Speaker 1: elevenies wedding. She's got no problem ethnic festivities. Hanson today
• 6:32
  Speaker 1: underlined what she meant, picking up an analogy I gave
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  Speaker 1: here last week.
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  Speaker 2: The far left have naturally taken my comments into the
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  Speaker 2: realm of utter fantasy. I was going to ban foreign
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  Speaker 2: food and the Socceroos wouldn't have beaten Turkey under my policy.
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  Speaker 2: White rubbish, predictable and pathetic. The soccaroos in fact represent
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  Speaker 2: my vision of a monti culture, of a monocultural Australia,
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  Speaker 2: people from different backgrounds and cultures and nations, all wearing
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  Speaker 2: green and gold and representing one nation under one flag
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  Speaker 2: and succeeding under the same set of rules. Australian monoculture
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  Speaker 2: is not exclusive. It is welcoming. It's an umbrella which
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  Speaker 2: covers all manner of difference.
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  Speaker 6: It's not a dirty word.
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  Speaker 1: That's what she actually said. If you've got a problem
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  Speaker 1: with that, argue against what she said and not what
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  Speaker 1: you would wish she had said. And Hanson also gave
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  Speaker 1: examples of what she was against.
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  Speaker 2: If we're going to accept you, you must accept us too.
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  Speaker 2: That's not too much to ask. Is the bare minimum
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  Speaker 2: we should be demanding. It's where we should be drawing
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  Speaker 2: the line on things incompatible with our culture, like sharia law,
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: child marriages, roaming, armed gangs, female circumcision, sex, selective abortion,
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  Speaker 2: and the burker workers are about confining and controlling women,
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  Speaker 2: which is un Australian. Under a one nation government, they
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  Speaker 2: will be banned.
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  Speaker 1: Now. Look, there's plenty there that you can have an
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  Speaker 1: honest argument about decent people can disagree, let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: But what we instead get are lies and misrepresentations from
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  Speaker 1: her critics. And while we still get those lines of misrepresentations,
• 8:26
  Speaker 1: then I say to Hanson, keep going, because that just
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  Speaker 1: proves your critics have got nothing and this multicultural madness
• 8:34
  Speaker 1: must go. Starting may I suggest with the SPS, but
• 8:43
  Speaker 1: to something that did get my goat today about One Nation,
• 8:46
  Speaker 1: and not just the way it's attacking the charging of
• 8:48
  Speaker 1: Ben Robert Smith for war crimes, or that it's going
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: at liberal front bench Andrew Hasty for being one of
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  Speaker 1: the more one of more than half a dozen former
• 8:57
  Speaker 1: Essays soldiers have given evidence against Robert Smith and in
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: Hasty's case, at great risk to his career. No, it's
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  Speaker 1: that familiar failing you get with one Nation. You know,
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: guess candidates elected and they then seem to go their
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  Speaker 1: own way, follow their own instincts, or so it seemed today.
• 9:15
  Speaker 1: So it's seen today David Farley, who won last month's
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  Speaker 1: by election in Pharah for One Nation, actually voted and
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  Speaker 1: for the second time with the Greens and the Deals,
• 9:26
  Speaker 1: they're time to cut a fuel tax used by miners
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  Speaker 1: and farmers and to give the money saved to renewable
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  Speaker 1: projects instead. Now this fuel tax, that's a rebate they
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  Speaker 1: get for heavy vehicles that don't actually use the roads
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  Speaker 1: of taxes for it's quite legitimate right and so cutting
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  Speaker 1: it would be anti farmer and anti minus. So no wonder.
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  Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson hit the roof with him. Now Farley is
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  Speaker 1: publicly apologized and he said, oh, look, I made a
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  Speaker 1: mistake and it's given the excuses as a rookie who
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  Speaker 1: still has I got no staff. One nation's only got
• 10:03
  Speaker 1: two advisors thanks to alban Easy and Barnaby Joyce is
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  Speaker 1: off in London, so he couldn't tell him what was
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  Speaker 1: going on. Okay, But a word of vice to Fahli.
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  Speaker 1: If you happen to be sitting next to Green's MPs
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  Speaker 1: in a vote, you're probably sitting on the wrong side
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  Speaker 1: of the house. But to the political panel Michael Cofsla,
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  Speaker 1: former New South Wales Labor Treasurer and former Liberal Senator
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  Speaker 1: Holly Hughes, Michael, it is likely to be a huge
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  Speaker 1: problem this kind of thing with One Nation, isn't it?
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  Speaker 1: First getting candidates who are good and then getting candidates
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  Speaker 1: who stick to one nation policies. And then finally getting
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  Speaker 1: candidates who actually know once they're in Parliament how politics works.
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  Speaker 7: I agree with everything you just said, Andrew, and I
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  Speaker 7: don't accept that excuse from Farley. I mean the bloke
• 10:50
  Speaker 7: ran he was a CEO of a major company down there,
• 10:54
  Speaker 7: the rice company from memory. Hey, he's not lower eve
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  Speaker 7: enough not to know what the fuel XI that diesel
• 11:01
  Speaker 7: filled exercise is all about.
• 11:02
  Speaker 8: And then to put it towards renewables.
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  Speaker 7: Look, the problem with one nation is it attracts people
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  Speaker 7: that can't find a home somewhere else, particularly opportunists. We
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  Speaker 7: saw that in the past. I won't talk about what
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  Speaker 7: happened in New South Wales with one nation. You're very
• 11:18
  Speaker 7: well familiar with that.
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  Speaker 8: So I see the problem, real problems that aheadful. Let
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  Speaker 8: me just say sorry.
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  Speaker 1: Let me just say, Michael about one Nation in New
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  Speaker 1: South Wales. It didn't end up literally in the poop.
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: But maybe I shouldn't have said that a quite a
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: huge I know the problem extremely well, extremely well. But
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: enough of that guy, Holly, do you? Michael says he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't buy Farley's excuse for you.
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  Speaker 9: Look, I actually feel for David and I think for
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  Speaker 9: one nation this is an absolute tactic by alban Ezi
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  Speaker 9: to not allow one nation appropriate staff levels for the
• 11:59
  Speaker 9: number of parliament heres that they have. And Michael can
• 12:02
  Speaker 9: make as many jokes as he likes about what the
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  Speaker 9: vote was or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: But he and I when.
• 12:07
  Speaker 9: We've served or both served as a part of parties
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  Speaker 9: that had staff and had appointed whips that helped with
• 12:15
  Speaker 9: these sorts of issues. And quite often when Parliament's sitting
• 12:19
  Speaker 9: bells are going, you've been in another meeting, it's not
• 12:23
  Speaker 9: always clear what place of ledger is coming up. And
• 12:25
  Speaker 9: when you are brand new and you don't have any
• 12:28
  Speaker 9: staff and you don't have any assistance in the senate's
• 12:31
  Speaker 9: very different from the House. I can understand why he
• 12:34
  Speaker 9: made a mistake. I do agree with you. If you're
• 12:36
  Speaker 9: ever sitting with the Greens, you're probably sitting on the
• 12:38
  Speaker 9: wrong side of the house. But again, there's not that
• 12:41
  Speaker 9: many of them. He might not even know who they
• 12:43
  Speaker 9: are yet. I mean, I was there for six years
• 12:45
  Speaker 9: and I look around that House of Reps now and
• 12:47
  Speaker 9: I don't know who most of them are. In fact,
• 12:49
  Speaker 9: I don't know who most of them are in the Senate.
• 12:50
  Speaker 9: And you've never heard or seen or seen them do
• 12:53
  Speaker 9: anything or say anything. So the poor guy probably didn't
• 12:57
  Speaker 9: even know who they were. You shouldn't known. The Teals
• 12:59
  Speaker 9: were probablyblematic. But I can understand. And when you first
• 13:03
  Speaker 9: get elected, it can It is a bit messy. And
• 13:06
  Speaker 9: I was lucky that I had a really great whip
• 13:08
  Speaker 9: who made sure we knew what was going on, where
• 13:11
  Speaker 9: we had to be, and what we had to do.
• 13:13
  Speaker 9: While you learn the ropes, it's like any new role.
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  Speaker 9: And to say that, to go into something that is
• 13:18
  Speaker 9: very complex, it's very complicated. There's lots of different readings,
• 13:21
  Speaker 9: there's lots of different things going on.
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  Speaker 8: You know, you can make mistakes.
• 13:25
  Speaker 9: And he's on his own and I look, did he
• 13:28
  Speaker 9: take a mistake?
• 13:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. I've heard what it is.
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  Speaker 9: You know, Mike, he's saying, all one nation. Guess who
• 13:35
  Speaker 9: that one nation person you were referring to was used
• 13:38
  Speaker 9: to be a federal labor leader.
• 13:39
  Speaker 8: If that's so, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, I mean, Mark Latham.
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  Speaker 9: Pretty awful things about people that are joining one nation.
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  Speaker 7: And that's me.
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  Speaker 8: So, you know, I did realize. I apologize.
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  Speaker 7: I can see why you're so sensity, But one nations got.
• 14:08
  Speaker 8: A history of these sort of people arrest by case history.
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  Speaker 7: Michael, Oh, look, the one nation that we're still talking
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  Speaker 7: about one nation.
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  Speaker 8: I take it.
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  Speaker 7: Look, I don't buy it, because the guy's an experienced guy.
• 14:30
  Speaker 7: He's been around, he's been a CEO. I think they're
• 14:32
  Speaker 7: going to have some real problems. They've got a great
• 14:34
  Speaker 7: ground game at the moment, as I said on a
• 14:36
  Speaker 7: couple of occasions Andrew, but they need to get their
• 14:39
  Speaker 7: policies right. I still think they're mopping up after that
• 14:42
  Speaker 7: monoculture gaff, and it is a gaff as far as
• 14:45
  Speaker 7: I'm concerned.
• 14:45
  Speaker 8: I think Taylor was very good today.
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  Speaker 7: I know you played the clip there, but he managed
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  Speaker 7: to make the fundamental point, which is we want people
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  Speaker 7: to share our values. And I think that's the only
• 14:55
  Speaker 7: basis that you can prosecute that argument without having the
• 14:58
  Speaker 7: Labor Party destroy you.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: Do you heard Michaels say the word monoiculture was a mistake.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: I've worried about that, wondered about that too, although I
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: have to say it's guaranteed that the issue runs and
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: runs through the week. Polly mistake or not to say
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  Speaker 1: monoculture instead of you know, we just need some common
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: cultures and common symbols, some common loyalties, some common love
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: to you know, to be more bigger than all the
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: divisions that we naturally have.
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  Speaker 9: Well, but I think this is the problem. Like you know,
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  Speaker 9: Michael comes from a great background. There's plenty of migrants
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: that have come to Australia and really embrace the Australian
• 15:40
  Speaker 9: way of life. And the problem is now that we're
• 15:42
  Speaker 9: getting migrants coming in that aren't embracing Australia or its
• 15:46
  Speaker 9: way of life. They're literally picking up their life from
• 15:48
  Speaker 9: where they came from and bringing that culture with them,
• 15:51
  Speaker 9: living in sparticular suburbs and really producing sort of a
• 15:55
  Speaker 9: ghetto wise system. And that's what paul Aane's talking about.
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: You can have your food and your dress and your
• 16:01
  Speaker 9: cultures that you know, cultural, whether it's your religious beliefs
• 16:05
  Speaker 9: or you saw a dancing up a storm at a
• 16:07
  Speaker 9: Lebanese wedding. I'm pretty sure she'd be good at breaking
• 16:09
  Speaker 9: the plates with the Greeks too. But it's embracing the
• 16:13
  Speaker 9: broader Australian values that Pauline's talking about. You know, I
• 16:16
  Speaker 9: heard her today talking about.
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: Bring back to the lark.
• 16:18
  Speaker 9: Sure people used to see Australians as happy, go lucky,
• 16:22
  Speaker 9: and you know, you'll be right mate. You know, check
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  Speaker 9: a prawn on the barbie or a shrimp on the
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  Speaker 9: barty which no one caes.
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  Speaker 1: That's long gone. Holy, that's long gone. That is long gone.
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  Speaker 1: I think, no, it's not. But I don't blame.
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  Speaker 9: But a lot of people that immigrant the world crime
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  Speaker 9: and center there the woe culture is what we are
• 16:45
  Speaker 9: a woe country.
• 16:47
  Speaker 8: That she'll be right, Andrew, Look, I find this completely ridiculous.
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  Speaker 7: If they were to put the argument to say that
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  Speaker 7: we need to have people to share our values, which.
• 16:58
  Speaker 8: Quite rightly is you haven'd said jude Christian values.
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  Speaker 7: My parents came from that background, the Italians came from
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  Speaker 7: that ground, the Lebanese Christians came from that background, and
• 17:08
  Speaker 7: many other people came from that background.
• 17:10
  Speaker 8: The Indians share a culture.
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  Speaker 7: That's I think, you know, ancient and very noble, and
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  Speaker 7: they've integrated well. I think the problem with this argument
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  Speaker 7: is it denies the past. You know, people moved into
• 17:21
  Speaker 7: leich Art in Sydney because it was Italian. They moved
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: into Kensington in an Oilwood in Sydney because it was Greek.
• 17:27
  Speaker 7: I mean to say that there we have these ethnic enclaves.
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: It denies the history. It always starts that way and
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: then people integrate into the community. The Vietnamese have done
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  Speaker 7: it brilliantly. Michael, Now they had.
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  Speaker 1: No Michael, I would, I would. I would disagree with
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: you on a couple of fronts. One is, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we're hearing from the security experts that the second generation
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: of among a minority, but among some of the Austrais,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: is more radical than the parents who came here. That's one.
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  Speaker 1: And second course, you have mass immigration, which changes things
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  Speaker 1: considerably because you now get self supporting suburbs where you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: have the street signs that are all in either Chinese
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: or Vietnamese or Arabic in some suburbs, not not all. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: there are self sustaining enclaves now and I don't know
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  Speaker 1: that we can deny that, but anyway, look can I no?
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  Speaker 1: But then you are suggesting in monoculture.
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  Speaker 9: Well, but the Greek and a lot of cultures when
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  Speaker 9: they came came to christ a lot of.
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  Speaker 8: Welfare and went right through Europe and into China. I mean, look,
• 18:40
  Speaker 8: we've got to be sensible. This is a free kick
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  Speaker 8: for labor.
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  Speaker 1: That is a monoculture. You're talking about Christianity. Yeah, without
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a doubt, you are correct on that. You are absolutely correct,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: but that's not because the Liberals are playing it so
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: badly and they've turned it into a free kick. Michael Costa,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Holy Hues. Thank you so much for you both. We
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: should have given ten more minutes to it after the break.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Another day in Crazy Australia, how Chrisbone's green dream just
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: got smacked they wind drought, and how the treasure tried
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: to con you about today's terrible inflation numbers. This morning
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: I read the most surprising headline and a most unsurprising story.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Energy Minister Chris Bone calls in watchdogs the probe surprise
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: power price rises A surprise rise in power prices? Hands up?
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: Anyone who's surprised by rises in power prices under this
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: government which are so obsessed with expensive green schemes. No one.
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: In this case. Bone is complaining to the Australian Competition,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Competition and Consumer Commission and the austrain Energy Regulator about
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: big rises in what households have to pay for daily
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: fixed charges and why have these prices shot up by
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: as much as ten percent or even more? Well, I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: wascreed the distributor for a lot of the Sydney is
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: this is because of a range of things like inflation,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: but also yes, indeed, because of the costs of building
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: all those poles and wires for all those new wind
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and solar and projects and those batteries that Chris Bone
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: once joining me is Aiden Morrison, director of Energy Research
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: at the Center for Independence Studies, A noise. Great to
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: see you explain why Chris Bone should not be surprised
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, this is absolutely an incredible moment for Chris Bowen.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: This is truly his King Canut moment where he just says, stop,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: the tide must not come in, and then lo and
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: behold it does. Because why this is happening is that
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: he's basically building a more expensive system overall the system,
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: in particular the network. Those costs have to be paid
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: somewhere somehow. And the real explanation that is the best
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: I'm going to quote roughly the story from the chair
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: of the Market Commission, the Trainer Energy Market Commission and
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: a Collier. She just five days ago she went on
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: a podcast called Energy Insiders and she explains, you know
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: what she explained, She just invested big time in a battery,
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: probably got a huge subsidy for that. By the way,
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: had a small solar panel. But she charges the battery
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: with those free hours in the middle of the day,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: and that doesn't consume anything because she's charged a battery
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: in the middle of the day. And she said, and
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: I think this is an exact quote, I worry how
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: my retailer is going to stay in business because they're
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: still paying network tariffs for the energy I have to
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: send I get from the grid, and of course somebody pays.
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: And the only way to square this circle, the only
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: way this is perfectly predictable, and the chair of the
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Marketmission knows this is they have to raise the fixed costs, right,
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: They have to say everyone has to pay a bit.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: You can't avoid it. And so that's the great tragedy
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: is Chris Bowen has totally naively thought we'll spend billions
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: of dollars subsidizing batteries, thinking they actually reduce system costs.
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: They don't. They allow people that buy big time into
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: batteries and solar to shift costs onto other people. And
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: the retailers are actually doing the right thing by trying
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: to shift them back just a tiny bit. So everyone
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: is paying their share of those fixed costs, like having
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: the poles and wires to buy your free power off
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: the grid and charge your big battery in the middle
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: of the days, so perfectly predictable. This is an absolute disaster.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I don't forget we have to pay the one third
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: of the cost of all those batteries is handing out
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: WILLI nary in the skin. That's now costs billions and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: billions and billions of dollars more than he thought. Now,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in the past week we actually got another scary warning
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: about why this dream of renewables actually leaves us with
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: less reliable electricity and expensive aiden. There's been a wind
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: drought in South Australia, which is the state with the
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: biggest concentration of wind farms, so that the wind part
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: of its power generation, which in this graphic you will
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: see is in green, went from lots early on in
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the week as you can see, next to nothing on
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the weekend and in the days after, with fossil fuels
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: having to crank up to stop the state blacking out.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: In fact, that wind drought extended to Victoria and to
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: Queensland and to New South Wales the wind virtually gone there,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: and in Tis maybe the wind turbines barely moved at all.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Have look our little green there is there aiden tell
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: us what this means and what this will cost us.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, look, what this means is that the giant plan
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: for a huge network that goes all the way from
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: South Australia through Victoria up to Queensland, this great big
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: backbone concept. So the idea that it's always windy somewhere
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: will save money because someone will have too much and
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: that'll make up another one doesn't have enough. That means
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: that is totally disproven. And it's been disproven multiple times
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: by the way, because always in the worst times of
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: the weather pattern, the worst weather patterns are the biggest ones.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: So when the wind becomes totally still in one state,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: it is actually most likely that the state next to
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: it has next to none as well. So what this
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: means is we're building a giant, huge backbone of a
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: grid north to south, south to north for nothing, and
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: that is the essence of the Integrated System plan. And
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: a EMO has had this ambition for many years. Back
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: in twenty ten they tested it, ran a pre feasibility
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: study and pointed out it doesn't actually stack up, and
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: ever since that point in time they've been basically hiding
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: behind cranking up government targets, targets to say we must
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: have renewables, and they've used this giant spine to kind
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: of catch all the renewables along the way, and it's
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: purely forced by policy targets. And if you hear Chris
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: Bowen tomorrow say something like the Integrated System Plan, which
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: is going to be produced tomorrow morning. By the way,
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: if he says that it demonstrates is the cheapest he's lying.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: He's absolutely lying, because the market operator has been crystal
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: clear it's only the cheapest way to meet government policies
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: which have all been forcing us to build all these renewables.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: So we know we're building a more expensive system. All
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: the sources that Chris Bowen relies upon have absolutely made
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: it clear they do not prove this is a cheapest
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: system overall, and so we're really headed for a massively
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: more expensive system and we don't know what it will
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: cost in the end.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Well, that's essentially because we really do have to build
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: two systems, one the green one and one in the
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: background for when it inevitably fails. Aiden Morrison, thank you
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: so much for your time. Well explained. Well another day
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: and another sign that the Albaniza governor is making us
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: poorer and then telling you that what stinks is actually sweet.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: You're making the mistake. Today's inflation figures show what may
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: seem to be good news. Headline inflation actually fell last
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: month to four percent for the year. Good times, even
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: though four percent is still far too much or its
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: good times is what treasure Jim Chalmers wants you to believe.
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: Inflation came off quite substantially in the month of May,
• 25:36
  Speaker 10: and we also saw it moderate in annual terms as well.
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: This is the second consecutive month that we've seen headline
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: inflation fall in our economy. Today's numbers are much better
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: than what the market expected and better than forecast.
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Now all good except for two things, of course. One,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: inflation fell a bit, in large part because the government
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: effectively spent hundreds of millions of dollars your money to
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: make that happen by having petrol excise temporarily cut. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: that was the fact that prices are actually going up,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: which the more important inflation figures today actually show the
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: trim mean figure, which strips out tricks like the one
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: the government pulled the one and this is the figure
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: the tree mean figure is the one they Reserve Bank
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: actually looks at when decided whether there's interest rates again,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: and that figure today is terrible. They jump from three
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: point four percent to three point six much more than
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: expected and far too high. Joining me as someone who's
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: written extensively on this problem, a leath for Nonsolan, the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: co founder of Macro Business and former Federal Treasury official. Leath,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: thanks for your time. Overall, this is a beautiful set
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of numbers, as Jim Chalmers suggests, or is it, in
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: fact another sign of trouble?
• 27:00
  Speaker 11: Look mat spin gym was added again, Andrew, he's polishing
• 27:03
  Speaker 11: a turd. The fact of the matter is that you know,
• 27:05
  Speaker 11: as you've just said the trim meeting, inflation is what
• 27:08
  Speaker 11: the RBA looks at, and as you stated, it jumped
• 27:11
  Speaker 11: to three point six percent. That's way above the RBA's target.
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: And the RBA stated at this month's monetary meeting that
• 27:17
  Speaker 11: it was concerned that inflation was becoming entreent and that
• 27:20
  Speaker 11: it would hike if necessary. And this trim meaning result
• 27:23
  Speaker 11: would obviously give the RBA trigger fingers.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I think, look, I suspect. So what do you think
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: when you say trigger fingers, who were you think interest
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: rates are going to go up before the end of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: the year now for sure? Or maybe how's it going?
• 27:39
  Speaker 11: Yeah, so not necessarily obviously that this result is not good,
• 27:43
  Speaker 11: and so I would have the RBA with the finger
• 27:45
  Speaker 11: on the trigger to pull the another rate hike. But
• 27:48
  Speaker 11: the RBA has two KPIs, so keep performance indicators. Some
• 27:51
  Speaker 11: one's obviously managing inflation and the others maintaining full employment.
• 27:55
  Speaker 11: And inflation is obviously a major concern. But on Thursday
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: tomorrow we received the May labor for survey from the ABS.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: And if that prints another week results.
• 28:03
  Speaker 11: So last month we saw unemployment rise to four and
• 28:05
  Speaker 11: a half percent, which is well.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: Above what the RBA expected.
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: If that prints again weak, well, that could stay the
• 28:11
  Speaker 11: RBA's hand because it'll be it could swing to be
• 28:14
  Speaker 11: more concerned about unemployment than inflation.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: But we'll have to wait and see. Yeah, so an
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: employment is higher than expected, inflation is running higher than expected.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: All this is about a month or two after the budget,
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: so Gollie is already tracking badly. Electricity prices meanwhile, up
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: twenty one percent in a year. How serious is that?
• 28:36
  Speaker 11: Yeah, So obviously energy prices have sowed the past few years,
• 28:39
  Speaker 11: which is a major concern for households, businesses, the broader economy,
• 28:42
  Speaker 11: all that sort of stuff.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: We do it.
• 28:44
  Speaker 11: We have had some recent decent news though, because domestic
• 28:46
  Speaker 11: gas prices have fallen pretty sharply recently, and that should
• 28:49
  Speaker 11: help to moderate energy inflation in the period ahead, and
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: that should hopefully offset some of these rising costs from
• 28:55
  Speaker 11: the renewable energy transition, which obviously Aiden just explained beautifully.
• 29:00
  Speaker 11: So long term straight energy is going to you know,
• 29:03
  Speaker 11: we'll get more expensive, but at least in the short
• 29:05
  Speaker 11: term with these falling gas prices, we should hopefully it
• 29:07
  Speaker 11: won't increase too quickly in the period ahead.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But wor'th the wait and say? And then there's the
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: housing crash. I mean, last weekend the clearance freighted actions
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: plummeted to to under half. Housing prices are falling to today.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: The housing instance said, well, this is not really the
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: government's fault for working on new housing taxes, if she is.
• 29:26
  Speaker 12: We see periods of very significant house price growth and
• 29:30
  Speaker 12: then we see the market make it correction, and that's
• 29:32
  Speaker 12: what we're seeing at the moment. So we're in a
• 29:33
  Speaker 12: market correction now that's correct. I don't think that's controversial
• 29:36
  Speaker 12: at all. We've just been through what has been extremely
• 29:40
  Speaker 12: high house price growth in the period from COVID.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: At least the market correction that technically means the ten
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: percent fall in housing prices to come, and the Treasurers
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: today had to contradict the correct o'niels how she wasn't
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: using the term and a technical means. I know there's
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: not one reason for this, but how much is the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: government to blame for it? And it should we actually
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: welcome more affordable housing? Yeah, so certainly.
• 30:06
  Speaker 11: In fact so we've obviously got rise in interest rates,
• 30:09
  Speaker 11: consumer sentiments are tracking at near fifty lows, which is appalling,
• 30:12
  Speaker 11: and obviously these CGT negative gearing tax chainers are all
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: putting downward pressure on prices.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: That said, my personal view is that lower prices.
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: Are necessary if we're to make homes become more affordable.
• 30:23
  Speaker 11: But what it does do it actually sets the federal
• 30:25
  Speaker 11: governor up for a war with the states because the
• 30:28
  Speaker 11: state budgets, and which is saying New South Wales and
• 30:30
  Speaker 11: Queensland they're under severe pressure, they're drowning debt and now
• 30:34
  Speaker 11: they're facing declining stamp duty receipts. So these CGT negative
• 30:38
  Speaker 11: gearing changes, while they're great for federal government tax revenue,
• 30:42
  Speaker 11: they're likely going to cost the states via lower stamp
• 30:45
  Speaker 11: duty receipts, and I think that's going to create a
• 30:47
  Speaker 11: bit of a staush between the Feds and the states.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Leave the Loncelin always great to talk to you, Thank you,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: explained with such clarity. After the break the panel, Jimmy
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: and Caroline coming up. Some news about Carsovic. No. I
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: like Carl Sefanovic. I used to appear on the Today Show.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: How long has he been host there? I think since
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Moses came down the mountain. But anyway, apparently now despite
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: me liking him, I think he's done the wrong thing,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: and now Channel nine is reportedly about to sack him.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Emergency meetings all today. Carl Sefanovic three million dollar man. Gosh,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I'm underpaid, three million dollar man. And I think it's
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: been actually pulling the chain a little bit, daring them
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: to sack him. He was always going to be off
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: this new podcast, and I thought he struck a new low.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: And I just wonder, you know, I think there's something
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: going on in our culture. There's other things to the
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: ben Roberts Smith stuff and all that. But Carl had
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Actually I think the last straw was him having on
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Tommy Robinson, the far right British agitators held up as
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: a hero but Elon musk and all that, when in
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: fact I think this is a last the piece of work.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: Karl Stephanovic thought he was great. Arm around the shoulder, mate, mate, mate, hero,
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you know, I thought, wow, he's putting that to air
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: on his new podcast thing the Under Nine Things, that's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: bringing them into disrepute. Let me tell you about Tommy Robinson.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to lose more viewers. I guess the of
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the right here. This is a focus, not a hero.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: He assaulted police, has been in jail for the various
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: assaults now and other stuff, and for contempt of court.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: He was called a hero by people like Elon muskfo saying,
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: oh this this Syrian immigrant, you know, because it's anti immigrants,
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: and that's fine, you know if you want to be.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: But this Syrian immigrant and he picked on a Syrian
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: schoolboy who was shown on video getting bashed in his
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: school and then he turned the world, well his world
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: against that Syrian boy's claiming without any evidence that he
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: in fact, had been bashing English girls. The guy I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: got death threats and it was just terrible. Can you
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: imagine being a teenager A million people watch that video
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: falsely accusing him of all that sort of stuff. Tommy
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Robinson was ordered by courts to stop picking on this boy,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: and he defied in order of the court and for
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: that he was jailed. For me, that is not a hero.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That is a coward. And Karl Stefanovic, shame on you.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And if Channel nine sacks you, sorry mate, that's probably
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: what you wanted anyway, But you don't have my sympathy
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: joining me Gemut on any colonists and communications consultant and
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Carolyn there Russo, commentator and President of the West Australian Liberals.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Gem I, Look, this news is not confirmed, but it
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: seems absolutely about to happen. What do you make of
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: all this? Does your heart bleed for Paul Karl getting
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: the boot from nine after so many years of faithful service.
• 33:51
  Speaker 13: No, my heart doesn't bleed for any of them, No,
• 33:54
  Speaker 13: not at all. I mean I'm warming up my popcorn, Andrew,
• 33:56
  Speaker 13: because I think this is a nice destruction and from
• 34:00
  Speaker 13: the woes of our inept government. The lies that the
• 34:02
  Speaker 13: Albanezy government is telling and the issues with the budget. No, seriously,
• 34:07
  Speaker 13: it's a nice sort of side comic relief because you know,
• 34:10
  Speaker 13: to most Australians who are currently rappling with the absolute
• 34:14
  Speaker 13: manure Sandwich that the federal government has dealt up with
• 34:17
  Speaker 13: him by doing a deal with the toxic greens.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: This is theater.
• 34:21
  Speaker 13: As for whether, you know, in an inevitably results in
• 34:26
  Speaker 13: the end of Carl Stefanock's relationship with Night, Look, it
• 34:29
  Speaker 13: seems that it's going that way. There's certainly a lot
• 34:31
  Speaker 13: of smoke in that direction. I just you know, there's
• 34:36
  Speaker 13: always somewhere in the middle is the truth, Andrew. That's
• 34:38
  Speaker 13: my experience of life. There are very few situations that
• 34:41
  Speaker 13: are black and white. It's not, you know, fifty shades
• 34:44
  Speaker 13: of grain. It's fifty thousand shades of gray, and somewhere
• 34:46
  Speaker 13: in the middle is the truth here. And whether or
• 34:50
  Speaker 13: not Stefanovick, you know, is bulleted tonight or they end
• 34:56
  Speaker 13: up you know, lawyers at fifty paces whatever, he will
• 34:58
  Speaker 13: go on to continue to to do his podcast and
• 35:01
  Speaker 13: it will no doubt be very successful, and nine will
• 35:03
  Speaker 13: continue to do what they do. I don't really watch brexits.
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: Well, this is the point now, But that is the
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: point at Caroline, that it probably will be successful because
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: we live in an age now where people who have
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: gone from mainstream media and looking in America, a really
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: extreme example that appalling Tucker Carlson. I might discuss him tomorrow,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you know, they then move to their own podcasts, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the more outrageous their guests, the more discussing their guests,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: the bigger their success in clicks. Don't you think this
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: is a do you think there's a caution of culture
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: happening with this? And I'd be very sorry if carl
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: goes down that route.
• 35:42
  Speaker 14: I think I think it is definitely there is definitely
• 35:46
  Speaker 14: something underlying in the culture which and you explained it
• 35:49
  Speaker 14: really well. It's almost the more obsurd, the more out there,
• 35:52
  Speaker 14: the more that that behavior is rewarded. But ultimately, in
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: anything that you do in journalism or commentary, you have
• 36:00
  Speaker 14: a responsibility and you have obviously your own personal and
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: professional reputation, and it comes down to judgment. Right, And
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: going back to Channel nine, this is obviously well appears
• 36:14
  Speaker 14: to be a little too warm for them. We don't
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: know what the terms of his contract are, right, we
• 36:20
  Speaker 14: don't know. We don't know any of those things. So,
• 36:22
  Speaker 14: like Jemma said, the truth is somewhere in there. It's
• 36:25
  Speaker 14: probably suffocating because that's generally what happens to the truth
• 36:29
  Speaker 14: in these sorts of things, because there's a lot of
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: interest and there's a lot of positioning. So we don't
• 36:33
  Speaker 14: actually really know and we don't know how this is
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: ultimately going to play out. But there is a great
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: responsibility that everyone has here in yes, talking about things
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: that maybe the mainstream media doesn't necessarily touch. But you
• 36:50
  Speaker 14: also need to ask the right questions, and you need
• 36:53
  Speaker 14: to probe, and you need to be honest, and you
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: need to be full in the context of whatever it
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: is that you're doing. You can't just be I don't see.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: Much of that in the public sperience moment. So true,
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: so true.
• 37:06
  Speaker 13: Going back to that though, Andrew, you're quite right about people,
• 37:09
  Speaker 13: you know, the podcasting ecosystem. The mainstream media broadly needs
• 37:14
  Speaker 13: to look at itself and go why are people going
• 37:16
  Speaker 13: to the podcast ecosystem. I'm not really a Joe Rogan
• 37:19
  Speaker 13: fan because I don't have like an hour and a
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: half to keep listening to him yammoring on. But I
• 37:23
  Speaker 13: understand that people want authenticity, not what they perceive to
• 37:28
  Speaker 13: be as the curated stuff that is served up on
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: a typical breakfast TV show on a commercial network.
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  Speaker 1: No, that's true, Carolin. Before I've run out of time
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: because I've got Pauling Hanson dropping into pay tribute to
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: someone that we've just lost. But the one nation monoicultural
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: debate and all that, how do you think that's that
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: seems to me to be actually destroying the Liberal Party
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: because I thought they should have gone on board with
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: this or even being ahead of it, and instead they
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: now look like they're neither you know, Arthen nor Margarito.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just unbelievable how they're caught.
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: No, I don't think they are at all. And actually
• 38:09
  Speaker 14: I think this monocultural multicultural conversation is actually really banal.
• 38:14
  Speaker 14: And Angus was really clear about this in his budget
• 38:18
  Speaker 14: in reply when he was talking about our value statement,
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: it's actually about shared values. It's not about what your
• 38:23
  Speaker 14: culture is like. There are parts of the culture that
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: I grew up with that are very different to Anglo culture.
• 38:28
  Speaker 14: But if you if you have the shared values of Australia,
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: you're very welcome to come here. Regardless of where you're from. Equally,
• 38:35
  Speaker 14: the flip side of that coin, if you come from
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: an Anglo an anglosphere type country and you want to
• 38:42
  Speaker 14: come here and make a pricky yourself, don't come. Okay,
• 38:45
  Speaker 14: your culture doesn't give you a get out of jail
• 38:48
  Speaker 14: free card in Australia. So it all comes down to values,
• 38:52
  Speaker 14: and I think this conversation is actually a massive distraction.
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: Jemma talked about it earlier. We need to talk about
• 38:58
  Speaker 14: the economy and the budget, but I don't want to
• 39:00
  Speaker 14: talk about it because it's an absolute howler and one
• 39:04
  Speaker 14: nation don't want to talk about it because they don't
• 39:05
  Speaker 14: have any economic policy.
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  Speaker 1: Amen, ladies, I'm afraid of run out of time, but
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I have to say the public, at least of one
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: nation voters do want to talk about this, so you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You can't say you don't talk about
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: it when they do want very much. Exactly that Jimton, Enny,
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Caroline to Russo thank you very much to you both.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: And after the break, paul In Hanson, like I say,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to pay tribute after some very sad news today. I
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: didn't plan to turn this since of the paul In
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Hanson Show but in fact, this afternoon I got some
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: shocking news. I wanted Tina McQueen to come on tomorrow's
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: show to fill in on the panel. And you will
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: have seen Tina on this show before and were spunk
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: but a daughter Texas uspat Tina had died today after
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: a short but severe medical condition. And that really hit
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: me because, yeah, you've probably seen it yourself from her
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: appearances here in. Tina's one of those people who've seen,
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: you know, truly alive, you know, and she had guts.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: She was a Federal Liberal vice president. She fought like
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: stink for the party and would defended even on the
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: ABC when I know she told me she was scared
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: of the mockery and abuse you then get, and boy
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: didn't they pour it on her. You know, guts. I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: wish more people had that to the degree that she did.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: And then she showed even more guts by saying, well
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: enough the Liberals had betrayed the Conservative cause and she
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: was off to one Nation where in fact she planned
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: to run for Parliament at the next selection.
• 40:40
  Speaker 15: I think the demise of the Little Party setting when
• 40:43
  Speaker 15: Tony Abbott lost his Prime ministership. The left had been
• 40:46
  Speaker 15: creeping in. I tried so very hard, you know, ten
• 40:50
  Speaker 15: years on Federal executive where I was bashing my head
• 40:52
  Speaker 15: against the wall, and I came to the clusion, you know,
• 40:55
  Speaker 15: looking at my two grandchildren and the state of the country,
• 40:58
  Speaker 15: that I really wanted to to help one nation.
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: I wasn't recruited.
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: It was my choice.
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Now. Pauline Hansen was pretty close to Tina as well,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Tina McQueen, and she wanted to pop in to pay
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: tribute to her. Pauline, thank you so much for your time.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I mean terrible news. It makes you contemplate how much
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: longer we all have, don't you, doesn't it? And what
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: to do with that time.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I just saw Tina a couple of weeks ago, and
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I and to get the news today. And I tell
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: you how it happened. Andrew. I saw my phone.
• 41:35
  Speaker 6: I actually picked up a message. I was about to go.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: On for a parliament in the next ten minutes to
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: deliver my speech. I saw the message from Tina McQueen.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: So I picked up and read it, and I could
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: not believe that the message was sent by her grandson.
• 41:48
  Speaker 6: And he said, I know how there was a.
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: Certain namely special name that I used to call her.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: She was not grandma or Grandma Graham, grandma or Nana
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: or anything like that. So anyway, I said, she thought
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: very much of you, and I remember the time that
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: we spent together, and he said, I just wanted to
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: know that my name passed away. And I was absolutely devastated,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: was shocked, and I thought it could this be real?
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: And so anyway, I then rang the number and I
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: spoke to Tina's daughter a page. She confirmed it, and
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: it's just devastating. As she said, she was a woman
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: that's full of life, vibrants. She was a character of person.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: She had tenacity, she stood her ground. And yes, and
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: when she said, I met her and I got to
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: know her a couple of years ago, a few years ago,
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and we spent some time together and she wasn't a
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: person to be in the kitchen cooking, so I cooked
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: the meals and so we had a laugh about that
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: many things that we did.
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: But it's I thought she was a lovely person. I
• 42:52
  Speaker 6: befriended her.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And when she said to me, she turned and said
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: to me one day she said, pulling, I'm coming to
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: board with one nation.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: She said, you know, the.
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Liberals aren't delivery and the conservatism that I believe and
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: that she's thoughtful for so long. And I said really,
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: and she said yep. She said I've got to come across.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I've got to fight with you, and she did. She
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: was going to stand for the seat of Dobell and
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: that's what she wanted to do, and she just wanted
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: to fight for this country.
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: And you're right, she is a fighter.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: And I wish there were more people that would stand
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: up and fight for what they believe. But you know,
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: it's a hard gig, as you well know, Pauline, a
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: hard gig. Can I just clear up something since you
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: hear it's an awkward segue? But David Farley, you know,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: we had Michael Cossa early on the show saying that
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: wasn't a mistaky year, deliberately voted with the Greens and
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: the Teals against the fuel exos, revote for the do
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: you what can you tell us?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: I had two discussions with him today and when it
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: was brought to my attention and I point blank with
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: him and he said, I deny, I've walked in that
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: chamber and he said, I actually thought I was voting
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: the way that we had to.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: It was an amendment.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: He didn't vote for the bill, so you know he
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: didn't vote for the bill as whole because I went
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: through in the voices. But anyway, the amendment, and it
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: was a mistake. Look you say, okay, you shouldn't be
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: making a mistake. And can I tell you something. It
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: is a bloody robust place in here, Andrew. And the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: fact is he's got no staff in his office. But
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: enemy's not around. We're trying to have our meetings of
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: the morning to guide them through because the lower House,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: in the ouphouse, you don't have connection with them. This
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: place is you got one side of the house or
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the other side of the house. Now, he went in
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: there and he didn't make a mistake. And he has made,
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: you know, some previous mistakes.
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: And I'm not going to deny that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I will own it. But David, and I said to David,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: I said, this is the problem. I said, you know,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: I've worked thirty years to get here to stand up
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: and fight for the austrain people. And I said, your
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: performance in there is going to reflect on me in
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: the one nation my members here that we've worked so
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: hard to represent the austrain people. Do you understand what
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, he said Pauline. I said, I'm orange. He said,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I agree with all your policies, and he said it
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: was a mistake. And so anyway, Andrew, I can't send
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: any more than that the upfront with the austrain people.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: But I tell the people out there, we're not perfect.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: When you don't have the resources. I don't have the
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: resources in my office. I got two advisors. The premise
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that has fifty nine. Have a look at what the
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: opposition has, you know, even the Greens. I don't have anything.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: And trying to cope with it. And I said to David,
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: I said, David, next week, right, I will actually give
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: you one of the staff out of my office or
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: out of the other senators to try and help you
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: get through next week. It is extremely hard, but I'll
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: tell you what. You have a look at the government
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: and you look at what they've produced given to us
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: with this budget, which is driving the country in the ground.
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: Is that a mistake on their behalf?
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: You know, look what we're getting from.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: The government from the opposite. All right, yeah, that's what
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: fifty seven advisors will do you.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I've got all the bloody resources, five five hundred staff
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: on the labor partner for our staff that we've got,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and we're trying to pull this country back to representing
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the strange people. So don't pull me up in the
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: media or anyone else because my member makes one mistake
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: which doesn't change the vote.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: So you know it give us a bit of slack
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: with this.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: I got it fair enough, Karl Stephanovic. It looks like
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: being dump by Channel nine, probably over that Tommy Robinson interview.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: I don't think much of Tommy Robinson at all. I
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: think it was extremely cruel to a young Syrian schoolboy.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: But what do you make of it if Channel nine
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: gives in the boot over this?
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I think they're bloody stupid to do it, because you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: when the ratings went down and I didn't and I
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: said back Carl, well they brought him back and guess what,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: their ratings went up. So they have no understanding. They're
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: they're gone so far to the left Channel nine. They're
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: making a big mistake. Hey, guess what, Carl, I'm looking
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: for someone in my office. You know, I want some
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: advisors my office. So Carl, you know, come and apply
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: for a job with me. We'll have a great time.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: We'll put them all on notice and we'll.
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: Get the country back on track.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Mate.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: That's an offer I think you will find hard to refuse.
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: I'll look at you as well.
• 47:32
  Speaker 6: All staff as advisors.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but why did you coach the end of the
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: interview with Tommy Robinson. Look, I'm too old a dog
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: to treat teach new tricks, you know. I'm not biddable,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: you know. And then I'd have to join you in
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: defending Ben Robert Smith and all that, and I don't
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: think look better I stick to my own knitting here.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Oh well, then I'll stick with David Farley because he's
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: on side with me and one day's policies.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: That's all, Pauline. It's very good of you to come in,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: and I mean you've start off paying tribute to to
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: to poor old Tina McQueen. What a shock makes you
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: wonder what you're going to do with the rest of
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: your life and how you spent every single day, doesn't it?
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: It really does, And it's and it's an awakening to
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that you know, you realize accept
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and you know, spend that precious time with your family
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: loved once and she did with the grandsons and.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: He's got a beautiful she's got a beautiful.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: Son, grandson, Charlie. I think it's absolutely fantastic. I love him,
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: she loved him, she spent so much.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you and yeah, thanks for reminding me of that.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: I've got to say before I go. You know, I've
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: got to pay my respects to the family. Thank you
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen for dropping in after a busy night. I
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Up next to Charony, hosted about Karla Marcus.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: Good Night,