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Philadelphia House of Horrors - FBI Rips Up Floors in Search For Evidence · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: Imagine the quietest, most unremarkable residential street in your city.
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Speaker 2: Right, like the kind where the biggest neighborhood drama is
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Speaker 2: just someone leaving their trash cans out a day too late.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now, I want you to imagine waking up
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Speaker 1: on a Tuesday, looking out your front window, and finding
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Speaker 1: that illusion of normalcy completely, just violently shattered.
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Speaker 2: It is a terrifying thought, honestly.
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Speaker 1: It really is. And that is exactly what happened recently.
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Speaker 1: on the 400 block of West 2 Avenue in Philadelphia.
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Speaker 1: You could have driven down this street a hundred times
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Speaker 1: and never looked twice at it.
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Speaker 2: But today, the entire city block is completely unrecognizable.
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Speaker 1: Unrecognizable. I mean, it looks less like a residential neighborhood
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Speaker 1: and more like, I don't know, the site of a
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Speaker 1: biological disaster.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or perhaps a military quarantine zone. That is the
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Speaker 2: vibe it gives off now.
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Speaker 1: That is the perfect way to describe it. The FBI
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Speaker 1: has completely shut down the street, They have erected these massive, opaque,
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Speaker 1: inflatable containment tents over the lawns. And there is heavy
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Speaker 1: excavation machinery just rumbling and tearing up the asphalt. Right
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Speaker 1: where neighborhood kids used to park their cars.
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Speaker 2: It's just a massive operation.
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Speaker 1: It is. The entire scene is just buzzing with forensic
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Speaker 1: specialists in full hazmat suits. I mean, they are essentially
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Speaker 1: treating a single, unassuming property like a literal biohazard zone.
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Speaker 2: And the reason for this massive... neighborhood paralyzing operation. It
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Speaker 2: centers on a place that the media and, frankly, the
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Speaker 2: investigators themselves have started calling the Philadelphia House of Horrors.
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Speaker 1: Which is such a chilling moniker.
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Speaker 2: It is, but unfortunately, it is entirely accurate based on
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Speaker 2: what is being pulled out of that structure.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: This was the home of a man named Raymond Horsch.
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Speaker 2: People called him R.C. He recently passed away. And his son, Eugene.
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Speaker 1: To understand the sheer scale of what we are talking
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Speaker 1: about today, I need to give you some numbers. And
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Speaker 1: these numbers are really going to stick with you.
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Speaker 2: They are staggering.
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Speaker 1: Investigators have recovered over one million digital files from that house.
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Speaker 1: One million.
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Speaker 2: Which is just a massive archive.
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Speaker 1: It is a staggering archive. And within those files, the
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Speaker 1: FBI has already identified at least 58 distinct individuals.
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Speaker 2: And then, you know, there is the grim reality tying
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Speaker 2: this all together. Right.
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Speaker 1: Seven missing women have been directly linked to this property.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Of those seven, five are currently feared dead. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they likely walked through that front door on Chew Avenue
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Speaker 1: and never, ever walked back out.
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Speaker 2: Which is precisely why this investigation is operating on a
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Speaker 2: level we rarely see in modern law enforcement.
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Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 2: It is an incredibly complex web. It requires a synthesis
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Speaker 2: of highly specialized disciplines to even begin to entangle.
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Speaker 1: And that is exactly why we are doing this deep
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Speaker 1: dive for you today. Because this is not just some
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Speaker 1: standard true crime summary where we, you know, walk you
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Speaker 1: through a tidy chronological timeline of events.
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Speaker 2: No, not at all.
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Speaker 1: What we are looking at in our source materials today
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Speaker 1: is an absolute masterclass in how incredibly complex, seemingly impossible
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Speaker 1: investigations actually unfold in the real world.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Our mission today is to understand how you take microscopic forensics...
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Speaker 1: massive digital footprints and the testimonies of traumatized survivors and
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Speaker 1: weave them together to solve an absolute nightmare.
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Speaker 2: Especially when you consider the massive hurdles here.
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Speaker 1: Right, because the primary suspect, R.C. Horsch, is already dead.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And the bodies of these missing women are entirely absent.
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Speaker 2: Which makes it incredibly difficult.
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Speaker 1: So, okay, let's unpack this.
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Speaker 2: It is a monumental undertaking for sure. To truly grasp
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Speaker 2: how the authorities even found themselves standing on Chew Avenue
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Speaker 2: in the first place, staring down a million digital files,
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Speaker 2: we have to look at the genesis of the investigation. Right.
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Speaker 1: Where did this all start?
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Speaker 2: Well, the reality of police work is that major breaks
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Speaker 2: rarely happen because of some cinematic eureka moment.
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Speaker 1: No brilliant detective sitting in a smoky room connecting strings
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Speaker 1: on a cork board.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. No. It's usually something entirely mundane. The transition from
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Speaker 2: a hidden house of horrors to a full-blown FBI occupation
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Speaker 2: is started with the butterfly effect of standard, everyday police work.
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Speaker 1: It's crazy how that happens. It was a minor disruption
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Speaker 1: on a normal afternoon that essentially cracked open a literal
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Speaker 1: vault of horrors.
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Speaker 2: We often see this in historical cases as well.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. The most prolific offenders are often brought down
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Speaker 2: by a broken taillight, an expired registration, or in this case,
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Speaker 2: a parking violation.
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Speaker 1: Right. A parking ticket.
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Speaker 2: Yes. It is the role of chance combined with the
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Speaker 2: vigilance of an observant officer who decides not to ignore
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Speaker 2: a gut feeling.
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Speaker 1: Let's set the scene for how this entire nightmare unraveled. So,
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Speaker 1: it is June 19th. We are in Philadelphia, specifically near
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Speaker 1: 6th and Market Streets.
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Speaker 2: Right in the heart of things.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Now, for those of you who know Philly, you
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Speaker 1: know this is right by Independence Mall. It is a tourist-heavy, busy,
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Speaker 1: historic area.
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Speaker 2: Lots of foot traffic.
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Speaker 1: Tons. You've got people walking around looking for the Liberty Bell.
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Speaker 1: It is broad daylight, and a park ranger is on
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Speaker 1: his stand of patrol, and he spots a BMW parked
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Speaker 1: near a fire hydrant. Okay. Now, Under normal circumstances, a
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Speaker 1: car parked by a fire hydrant is a parking ticket.
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Speaker 1: It's an everyday annoyance.
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Speaker 2: Right. It's just a piece of paper under a windshield wiper.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. But as the ranger approaches the vehicle, he hears
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Speaker 1: something that escalates the situation instantly.
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Speaker 2: And this is where everything changes.
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Speaker 1: He hears a female voice from the passenger seat yelling,
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Speaker 1: you're going to hurt me.
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Speaker 2: That auditory trigger changes the entire landscape of the encounter.
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Speaker 1: Totally.
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Speaker 2: In law enforcement, there is a core principle regarding the
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Speaker 2: escalation of an interaction based on articulable suspicion.
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Speaker 1: Wait, let me stop you there for a second. Articulable suspicion.
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Speaker 1: Break that down for us in plain English.
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Speaker 2: Sure.
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Speaker 1: That essentially means a cop can't just say, he looked sketchy, right? Precisely.
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Speaker 2: They have to be able to point to a specific,
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Speaker 2: definable fact to justify pulling someone out of a car.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: A parking violation by a fire hydrant is just a
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Speaker 2: civil infraction. It gives the officer the right to write
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Speaker 2: a ticket, perhaps check a license.
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Speaker 1: Sure.
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Speaker 2: But a cry for help, a specific declaration of impending
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Speaker 2: physical harm that radically alters the legal threshold.
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Speaker 1: It moves it into criminal territory.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. It moves the situation from a civil infraction to
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Speaker 2: a potential criminal act in progress. That single sentence yelled
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Speaker 2: from the passenger seat gives the ranger the immediate legal
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Speaker 2: authority and, frankly, the moral duty to intervene.
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Speaker 1: To detain the individuals, right?
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Speaker 2: Yes, and to aggressively investigate the underlying circumstances of why
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Speaker 2: that woman is so terrified.
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Speaker 1: So the ranger steps up, investigates, detains the man in
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Speaker 1: the driver's seat, and that driver is 44-year-old Eugene Horsch. R.C.
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Speaker 2: Horsch's son. Right.
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Speaker 1: Now, what the authorities find when they search Eugene and
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Speaker 1: the interior of that BMW is what completely derails this
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Speaker 1: from a, you know, a routine wellness check or even
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Speaker 1: like a standard drug bust.
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Speaker 2: The inventory is horrifying.
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Speaker 1: We really need to go through the inventory of what
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Speaker 1: was in that car piece by piece because I can
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Speaker 1: only describe it as a predator's go bag.
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Speaker 2: It is a chillingly specific collection of items. When you
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Speaker 2: analyze the contents of a suspect's vehicle in a situation
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Speaker 2: like this, you are essentially reading their intent.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Let's look at the intent here. First, they find
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Speaker 1: crack cocaine.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So we have drug possession. That's a serious charge, but,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's common. Then they find a. 4 caliber firearm.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And a. 38 special. So two loaded guns. Again, alarming,
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Speaker 1: but not entirely unheard of in a major city.
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Speaker 2: Unfortunately true.
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Speaker 1: But then the inventory takes a very, very dark turn.
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Speaker 1: They find a switchblade. They find a set of handcuffs. Wow.
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Speaker 1: They find a collapsible baton. And most disturbingly, they find
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Speaker 1: a cattle prod.
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Speaker 2: If we view this through the lens of criminal profiling...
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Speaker 2: The combination of these specific items speaks volumes about the
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Speaker 2: psychology and the methodology of the individual possessing them.
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Speaker 1: It really does.
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Speaker 2: The drugs might explain a motive for the encounter, or
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Speaker 2: more likely in predatory scenarios, a method of controlling or
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Speaker 2: incapacitating a victim.
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Speaker 1: Right, keeping them subdued. Exactly.
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Speaker 2: The firearms represent lethal force. They are the ultimate threat.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But the handcuffs, the baton, and the cattle prod, those
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Speaker 2: are not defensive items.
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Speaker 1: No, not at all.
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Speaker 2: They are instruments of subjugation.
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Speaker 1: They are tools for torture.
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Speaker 2: They are tools specifically designed to incapacitate, to inflict pain,
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Speaker 2: and to exert absolute physical dominance over another human being.
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Speaker 1: Without necessarily killing them immediately. Precisely.
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Speaker 2: A firearm ends a life. Handcuffs and a cattle prod
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Speaker 2: are utilized when the intent is to control the life,
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Speaker 2: to prolong the encounter, and to completely dominate the victim.
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Speaker 1: It fundamentally shifts the entire context of the traffic stop.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't a guy moving weight or protecting
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Speaker 1: his stash. No. This is a guy equipped to take hostages.
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Speaker 1: But it gets even more twisted. Because alongside this literal
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Speaker 1: arsenal of control, investigators find fake credentials. And we aren't
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Speaker 1: talking about a fake driver's license someone bought to get
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Speaker 1: into a college bar. Right.
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Speaker 2: Nothing like that.
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Speaker 1: Eugene had highly realistic... Fake IDs identifying him as a
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Speaker 1: DEA agent and another identifying him as an FBI agent.
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Speaker 2: This raises a crucial question about predatory methodology. Why would
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Speaker 2: someone carry fake federal law enforcement badges right alongside tools
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Speaker 2: of physical restraint?
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Speaker 1: I mean, it seems like the ultimate wolf in sheep's
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Speaker 1: clothing tactic.
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Speaker 2: It is exactly that. Predators frequently use the guise of
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Speaker 2: authority to bypass a victim's natural threat response system.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense. sense.
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Speaker 2: Think about the psychology of compliance. If a stranger in
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Speaker 2: plain clothes approaches you aggressively on the street, your adrenaline spikes.
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Speaker 1: Right, your guard goes up.
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Speaker 2: Yes, your fight or flight response is triggered. You assess
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Speaker 2: them as an immediate threat. But if someone flashes a
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Speaker 2: DEA or an FBI badge... Our social conditioning overrides our
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Speaker 2: natural instincts.
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Speaker 1: Right, because from the time we were kids, we were
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Speaker 1: taught to comply with that badge. If an FBI agent
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Speaker 1: tells you to get in the car, you get in
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Speaker 1: the car.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and that is the terrifying genius of it. You freeze,
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Speaker 2: you obey, you assume they have the legal and moral
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Speaker 2: right to detain you.
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Speaker 1: You might even feel a sense of relief if you
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Speaker 1: think they are protecting you from something else.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. By the time the victim realizes that the authority
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Speaker 2: is a lethal sham... By the time the cognitive dissonance
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Speaker 2: clears and they realize a real FBI agent wouldn't be
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Speaker 2: acting this way, the handcuffs are already on.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: The trap has already snapped shut.
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Speaker 1: It's sickening because it weaponizes the very trust we rely
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Speaker 1: on to keep society functioning.
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Speaker 2: It really is.
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Speaker 1: But the unraveling of Eugene Horsch at this traffic stop
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Speaker 1: doesn't end with fake federal badges.
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Speaker 2: No, there's more.
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Speaker 1: The passenger, the woman who originally cried out and triggered
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Speaker 1: this whole thing, is asked by the officers for her identification.
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Speaker 1: She reaches over and hands them an ID card. Okay.
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Speaker 1: The name printed on the card is Blair Tanzelli. But
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Speaker 1: the police immediately recognize two massive problems.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: First, the terrified woman sitting in the passenger seat is
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Speaker 1: definitively not the woman pictured on the ID. She is
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Speaker 1: not Blair Tanzelli.
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Speaker 2: That's a red flag?
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Speaker 1: A huge one. And second, when they run the name,
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Speaker 1: it pings the system immediately. Blair Tanzelli is a woman
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Speaker 1: who was officially reported missing back in 2023.
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Speaker 2: This is the critical nexus point of the entire case.
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Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 2: This is where a bizarre traffic stop transforms into a
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Speaker 2: major missing persons and potential homicide investigation. You have an
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Speaker 2: individual directly possessing the physical identification of a known missing woman.
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Speaker 1: And when the police ask the passenger, hey, why do
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Speaker 1: you have a missing woman's ID card? She doesn't hesitate.
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Speaker 2: What does she say?
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Speaker 1: She points directly at the driver's seat, at Eugene, and says,
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Speaker 1: Eugene gave me this ID.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: So, I want you to put yourself in the shoes
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Speaker 1: of the officers at this scene. Think about what they
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Speaker 1: have sitting in front of them by the fire hydrant.
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Speaker 2: It's overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: They have a woman terrified for her life. They have
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Speaker 1: illegal narcotics. They have two illegal firearms. Yeah. They have
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Speaker 1: torture implements, including a literal cattle prod. They have fake
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Speaker 1: federal law enforcement badges. and they have the physical identification
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Speaker 1: of a vanished woman, which the driver was apparently handing
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Speaker 1: out like a spare business card.
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Speaker 2: It is a textbook example of probable cause cascading into
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Speaker 2: something monumental. Right. This single, highly concentrated incident handed the
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Speaker 2: police the absolute legal justification they needed to start digging much,
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Speaker 2: much deeper into the life of Eugene Horsch.
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Speaker 1: And digging into Eugene inevitably meant digging into where Eugene lived,
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Speaker 1: which leads the authorities directly from Independence Mall to the
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Speaker 1: house on Chew Avenue.
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Speaker 2: The house of horrors.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. A house that, for context, Eugene inherited and lived
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Speaker 1: in after his father, R.C. Horsch, died in 2025. Right. Now,
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Speaker 1: just to close the loop on Eugene's current legal status
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Speaker 1: before we open the door to that house, Eugene was
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Speaker 1: formally indicted in July on federal firearms and fake ID charges. Okay.
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Speaker 1: His federal court date has been pushed way out to
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Speaker 1: March 2020, 2027. He is currently sitting in federal custody. But,
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Speaker 1: and this is a vital distinction to make, he has
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Speaker 1: not yet been charged with the actual disappearances or murders
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Speaker 1: of any of these missing women.
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Speaker 2: Which, while frustrating to the public, is a very common
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Speaker 2: and strategic maneuver in complex federal cases.
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Speaker 1: So explain that strategy. Why not charge him with everything
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Speaker 1: right away if he has the ID?
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Speaker 2: Because homicide and kidnapping are incredibly difficult to prove beyond
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Speaker 2: a reasonable doubt.
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Speaker 1: Even with all that evidence?
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Speaker 2: Especially without bodies. If you charge him prematurely and fail...
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Speaker 2: Double jeopardy attaches and he walks free forever.
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Speaker 1: Oh, wow. I didn't think about that.
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Speaker 2: So the strategy is to hold the suspect on the undeniable,
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Speaker 2: easily provable slam dunk charges. The illegal guns, the possession
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Speaker 2: of fake federal badges. Right.
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Speaker 1: The stuff they caught him red handed with.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. These carry significant weight on their own. By holding
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Speaker 2: him on those charges, you ensure he is off the streets.
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Speaker 2: He is not a flight risk and he cannot destroy
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Speaker 2: any evidence.
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Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, you buy your specialized investigative teams the months or
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Speaker 2: even years they desperately need to build the larger, much
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Speaker 2: more complex homicide case.
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Speaker 1: And boy, do they need that time. Because once that
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Speaker 1: traffic stop handed investigators the keys to the Chew Avenue house,
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Speaker 1: the investigation moved from the physical confines of a BMW
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Speaker 1: into what I can only describe as a digital graveyard.
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Speaker 2: Yes. The digital evidence is astounding.
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Speaker 1: Finding the house and securing a search warrant is one thing.
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Speaker 1: But what the police discovered inside those walls demands that
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Speaker 1: we dive incredibly deep into this digital evidence.
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Speaker 2: The scope of the digital evidence seized from Chew Avenue
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Speaker 2: truly cannot be overstated. We are moving from a tactical,
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Speaker 2: physical search, you know, bagging guns and IDs, into a
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Speaker 2: monumental data extraction and analysis operation.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the scale. We are talking about one
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Speaker 1: million individual files. One million. Photographs, videos, extensive written documents,
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Speaker 1: audio logs, all created, cataloged, and hoarded by R.C. Horsch
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Speaker 1: over what appears to be decades.
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Speaker 2: Decades of material.
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Speaker 1: And to put the sheer magnitude of this task into
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Speaker 1: perspective for you listening, the FBI has highly specialized digital
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Speaker 1: forensic labs working around the clock on this data. Right.
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Speaker 1: And yet, at the time our source materials were published,
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Speaker 1: they have only been able to review about one-third of
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Speaker 1: that hard drive.
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Speaker 2: It's mind-boggling.
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Speaker 1: Just one third of a million files. But I want
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Speaker 1: to stop here for a second, because whenever we talk
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Speaker 1: about digital evidence in the modern era, there is a
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Speaker 1: massive elephant in the room.
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Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: I want to play devil's advocate and push back on
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Speaker 1: the initial premise, because I guarantee this is exactly what
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Speaker 1: high-priced defense attorneys will eventually argue in court.
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Speaker 2: Please go ahead. It is essential to anticipate the defense strategy.
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Speaker 1: Okay. We know from the sources that R.C. Horsch was
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Speaker 1: a known producer of freaky, violent, extreme pornography. He had
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Speaker 1: a documented history in that underground world.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he did.
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Speaker 1: So if a defense attorney stands up, how do investigators
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Speaker 1: definitively prove that the horrific things on these videos aren't
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Speaker 1: just highly stylized, extreme, consensual role play?
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Speaker 2: Right, the role play defense.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Or even more relevant today, how do they prove
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Speaker 1: to a jury that these aren't entirely fabricated, AI-generated deepfakes
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Speaker 1: designed purely for shock value? I mean, I can go
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Speaker 1: on my computer right now and make a video of
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Speaker 1: a politician saying something they never said. How does the
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Speaker 1: FBI prove these snuff films are real?
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Speaker 2: That is an excellent question. And it is precisely the
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Speaker 2: hurdle investigators have to clear to elevate this from a
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Speaker 2: bizarre pornographer's private collection to a massive multi-jurisdictional homicide investigation.
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Speaker 2: And I assure you, the FBI does not take this
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Speaker 2: authentication process lightly. When dealing with deep fakes, the digital
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Speaker 2: evidence is sent to the FBI's specialized forensic labs where
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Speaker 2: they don't just sit in a room and watch the
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Speaker 2: video like a movie.
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Speaker 1: What are they doing then?
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Speaker 2: They dissect the file at a microscopic pixel by pixel level.
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Speaker 1: What exactly are they looking for when they do that?
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Speaker 2: They are looking for the fingerprints of the software that
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Speaker 2: created it. They analyze digital artifacts. These are tiny distortions
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Speaker 2: or anomalies in the image compression that occur when an
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Speaker 2: image is synthetically generated.
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Speaker 1: Like weird blurriness? Exactly.
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Speaker 2: They also look for metadata anomalies. A real video file
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Speaker 2: carries invisible data about the camera model, the lens, the time,
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Speaker 2: the GPS coordinates.
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Speaker 1: Oh, right.
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Speaker 2: A generated video often lacks this, or the data is
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Speaker 2: entirely corrupted. Furthermore, they analyze lighting inconsistencies and rendering glitches
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Speaker 2: around the edges of the subjects.
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Speaker 1: Like where the person meets the background.
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Speaker 2: Yes, particularly where hair meets the background, which AI still
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Speaker 2: struggles to render perfectly in motion.
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Speaker 1: That is fascinating.
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Speaker 2: After subjecting R.C. Horsch's files to this rigorous analysis, the
18:28
Speaker 2: FBI officially determined and stated on the legal record that
18:31
Speaker 2: these videos are absolutely not deepfakes. They are raw, authentic
18:36
Speaker 2: recordings of real events occurring in real space.
18:39
Speaker 1: Okay, so the lab proves the pixels are real. It's
18:42
Speaker 1: not AI. But that still leaves the roleplay defense.
18:45
Speaker 2: Yes, it does.
18:46
Speaker 1: What if the defense says, yes, it's real video, but
18:49
Speaker 1: it's two consenting adults engaging in extreme BDSM roleplay for
18:52
Speaker 1: a camera?
18:53
Speaker 2: And that is where the digital forensics must seamlessly merge
18:56
Speaker 2: with the physical world. You defeat the roleplay defense through
19:00
Speaker 2: cross-referencing and identification.
19:02
Speaker 1: Okay, how so?
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Speaker 2: If these videos were merely consensual extreme roleplay, the actors
19:08
Speaker 2: involved would theoretically be alive. Right. They would be locatable.
19:12
Speaker 2: They could be brought into a courtroom to testify, yes,
19:15
Speaker 2: that's me, we were acting, I consented.
19:18
Speaker 1: But they can't do that here.
19:19
Speaker 2: Exactly. The investigators utilized facial recognition software, and manual identification
19:24
Speaker 2: to take the faces of the women depicted in these horrific,
19:27
Speaker 2: violent scenarios on the tapes, and they ran them against
19:30
Speaker 2: national and local databases of missing persons. And that is
19:35
Speaker 2: how they established absolute, unshakable probable cause. The women being
19:39
Speaker 2: tortured on these authentic videos are the exact same women
19:42
Speaker 2: whose families have been desperately searching for them for years.
19:46
Speaker 1: That is so heavy.
19:47
Speaker 2: They are not paid actors who went home after the shoot.
19:49
Speaker 2: They are missing.
19:51
Speaker 1: It is sickening. The reality of it is just heavy.
19:54
Speaker 1: And I need to pause here for a second because
19:56
Speaker 1: this is incredibly difficult material, but there is one specific
20:00
Speaker 1: case outlined in our sources that highlights this horrific reality perfectly. Yes.
20:06
Speaker 1: We need to spend some time on the case of
20:08
Speaker 1: Nicole Fuzaro. Because understanding what happened to her is vital
20:11
Speaker 1: to understanding the monster they are dealing with.
20:14
Speaker 2: It is a tragic but necessary example.
20:17
Speaker 1: Nicole disappeared back in 2018. For years, her family has
20:20
Speaker 1: been trapped in that unimaginable, agonizing limbo. The not knowing.
20:26
Speaker 1: And then investigators hit play on a specific video in R.C.
20:30
Speaker 1: Horst's digital vault.
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Speaker 2: A video that is, by all accounts from law enforcement,
20:35
Speaker 2: unimaginably grim and difficult to process.
20:39
Speaker 1: The police hold a press conference. They describe the woman
20:42
Speaker 1: in the footage, hoping for an identification. Nicole's own cousin,
20:48
Speaker 1: a man named Jonathan Howard-Corin, hears the description.
20:51
Speaker 2: That poor family.
20:52
Speaker 1: He has to go through the agonizing process of contacting
20:55
Speaker 1: the authorities and confirming her identity. He confirmed that the
21:00
Speaker 1: woman the police were describing, the woman starring in the
21:04
Speaker 1: most disturbing footage found in that house, is his cousin, Nicole.
21:09
Speaker 1: It's devastating. The details of these recordings, and we know
21:14
Speaker 1: there are at least two separate videos depicting this specific incident.
21:18
Speaker 1: They are incredibly hard to hear, but we have to
21:22
Speaker 1: look at them to understand the methodology of this crime.
21:25
Speaker 2: We do.
21:27
Speaker 1: The video shows a woman, definitively identified as Nicole, being
21:30
Speaker 1: forcefully handcuffed to a bed. Then a zip tie is
21:35
Speaker 1: placed tightly around her neck. And The video records her
21:40
Speaker 1: being slowly, deliberately strangled.
21:43
Speaker 2: It is deeply disturbing, but it is important to pause
21:46
Speaker 2: and analyze what a recording like that represents from a
21:49
Speaker 2: criminological standpoint.
21:51
Speaker 1: Break it down for us.
21:52
Speaker 2: We are not looking at a crime of passion here.
21:54
Speaker 2: This is not a sudden argument that escalated or a
21:57
Speaker 2: drug deal gone wrong resulting in a sudden loss of control.
22:00
Speaker 1: Right.
22:01
Speaker 2: Look at the elements present in the video. The presence
22:03
Speaker 2: of handcuffs, a bed specifically modified or designed for restraint,
22:09
Speaker 2: A zip tie, which by the way is a highly effective,
22:12
Speaker 2: incredibly difficult to remove ligature that cannot be easily broken
22:15
Speaker 2: by a struggling victim. And finally, the act of recording
22:19
Speaker 2: it all from a fixed or held camera.
22:22
Speaker 1: Right, to production.
22:24
Speaker 2: Yes. It requires extensive calculated premeditation. It requires a dedicated
22:30
Speaker 2: staging area. And the act of recording it suggests that
22:33
Speaker 2: the perpetrator is not just eliminating a witness or acting
22:37
Speaker 2: out in anger.
22:37
Speaker 1: What are they doing then?
22:39
Speaker 2: They are actively creating a trophy.
22:41
Speaker 1: A trophy he can keep on a hard drive and
22:44
Speaker 1: relive over and over again long after the victim is gone. Exactly.
22:49
Speaker 2: Serial predators who record their crimes do so to extend
22:52
Speaker 2: the psychological thrill of the murder. The power dynamic. The
22:57
Speaker 2: ultimate control over life and death. They want to bottle that. Wow.
23:01
Speaker 2: The video itself becomes an artifact of their absolute dominance.
23:05
Speaker 2: It allows them to consume the murder repeatedly.
23:08
Speaker 1: And what's truly baffling about this is that R.C. Horsch
23:11
Speaker 1: wasn't entirely silent about this dark reality either.
23:14
Speaker 2: No, he wasn't.
23:15
Speaker 1: When we think of serial killers, we often picture the
23:17
Speaker 1: BTK killer, Dennis Rader, who presented as this boring, saintly
23:21
Speaker 1: church president to the outside world while hiding his demons perfectly.
23:25
Speaker 2: A classic compartmentalizer. Right.
23:28
Speaker 1: But R.C. Horsch didn't do that. He practically broadcasted his depravity.
23:32
Speaker 1: But he wrapped it in this incredibly thin, transparent veil
23:36
Speaker 1: of art.
23:37
Speaker 2: It's a very specific type of arrogance.
23:40
Speaker 1: He self-published books. And in a 2013 podcast interview we
23:43
Speaker 1: found in this horse material, R.C. Horsch actually referred to
23:46
Speaker 1: himself out loud to an audience as an empathetic serial killer.
23:51
Speaker 1: He noted that playing a perverted serial killer wasn't much
23:54
Speaker 1: of a stretch at all.
23:55
Speaker 2: What is fascinating here is the psychological phenomenon of a
23:59
Speaker 2: predator hiding in plain sight. Many highly organized psychopathic predators
24:04
Speaker 2: possess an immense, almost blinding level of arrogance. They feel
24:08
Speaker 2: a deep compulsion to taunt society, to confess their crimes
24:12
Speaker 2: right to our faces without ever facing the consequences.
24:14
Speaker 1: It's like a game to them.
24:16
Speaker 2: Exactly. By framing his dark desires and what we now
24:19
Speaker 2: know were his actual actions as fiction or transgressive art
24:23
Speaker 2: or extreme pornography, R.C. Horsch successfully created a plausible deniability shield.
24:28
Speaker 1: Right. If anyone, say a neighbor or a friend, ever
24:32
Speaker 1: stumbled across his writings or questioned the sheer visceral horror
24:36
Speaker 1: of his videos, He just throws hands up, laugh it off,
24:39
Speaker 1: and say, hey, relax. I'm just a boundary-pushing artist.
24:43
Speaker 2: Exactly that.
24:44
Speaker 1: It's fiction. You guys are just too sensitive to understand
24:47
Speaker 1: my work.
24:48
Speaker 2: Precisely. It is a brilliant, albeit evil, defense mechanism. It
24:53
Speaker 2: allows the predator to actively indulge in their narcissism. They
24:57
Speaker 2: get to receive public attention and feedback for their darkest
25:00
Speaker 2: thoughts while legally insulating themselves from scrutiny.
25:04
Speaker 1: It makes my skin crawl.
25:06
Speaker 2: In one of his self-published books, which, by the way,
25:09
Speaker 2: Amazon has recently scrubbed entirely from their platform in light
25:12
Speaker 2: of the investigation, Arcee actually wrote in graphic, step-by-step detail
25:17
Speaker 2: about murdering a woman and disposing of her body using
25:20
Speaker 2: a highly specific chemical process.
25:22
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
25:23
Speaker 2: When you take that written fiction and you place it
25:26
Speaker 2: side-by-side with the authenticated, real-world video of Nicole Fusaro being strangled,
25:31
Speaker 2: the roleplay and fiction defenses crumble entirely.
25:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do.
25:36
Speaker 2: It transforms his bibliography into a documented confession.
25:40
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the most agonizing, baffling part of
25:43
Speaker 1: this entire story. We have established the horrifying reality of
25:48
Speaker 1: the digital files. We know the FBI has verified the
25:51
Speaker 1: videos are real. We know the women in the videos
25:54
Speaker 1: are officially missing. Yes. But here is the massive gaping
25:58
Speaker 1: hole sitting right in the center of this investigation. If
26:02
Speaker 1: the videos are real, And the murders were documented on
26:05
Speaker 1: camera in that house. Where is the physical evidence? Where
26:09
Speaker 1: are the bodies of the victims?
26:11
Speaker 2: That is the pivotal defining challenge of this entire case.
26:14
Speaker 2: You have a verified digital record of a homicide occurring,
26:18
Speaker 2: but you have a complete absence of a corpus delicti.
26:20
Speaker 1: Okay, corpus delicti. Break that Latin down for us.
26:23
Speaker 2: Literally translated, it means the body of the crime. In
26:27
Speaker 2: homicide cases, it refers to the physical body of the victim. Historically,
26:31
Speaker 2: the law required the physical body to prove a murder
26:34
Speaker 2: actually took place rather than a voluntary disappearance.
26:37
Speaker 1: That makes sense.
26:38
Speaker 2: While modern law allows for no body homicide convictions, they
26:42
Speaker 2: are exceptionally difficult to prosecute because the defense will always
26:45
Speaker 2: argue that the victim could just be living off the
26:47
Speaker 2: grid somewhere. You need overwhelming circumstantial and forensic evidence to
26:51
Speaker 2: replace the physical body.
26:53
Speaker 1: And because of that absence, because they lack the corpus delicti,
26:57
Speaker 1: the FBI operation currently happening at the Chew Avenue house
27:00
Speaker 1: isn't just a standard search warrant.
27:02
Speaker 2: Not at all.
27:03
Speaker 1: They aren't just walking in, opening closets, and looking under
27:05
Speaker 1: beds with flashlights. They are systematically, structurally dismantling the house.
27:11
Speaker 2: Wall by wall.
27:12
Speaker 1: Yes. They are physically removing the flooring, pulling down the drywall,
27:16
Speaker 1: tearing out the plaster, piece by agonizing piece. It's like
27:21
Speaker 1: they are reverse engineering an entire house just to find
27:24
Speaker 1: a ghost.
27:25
Speaker 2: That's a powerful way to put it.
27:26
Speaker 1: The sources explicitly compare this operation to the infamous John
27:29
Speaker 1: Wayne Gacy investigation in the 1970s. In that case, authorities
27:34
Speaker 1: literally had to pull up the entire crawlspace and the
27:36
Speaker 1: floorboards of his suburban home to uncover the nightmare he
27:39
Speaker 1: had buried in the dirt beneath his living room.
27:41
Speaker 2: The Gacy comparison is incredibly apt. If we connect this
27:45
Speaker 2: to the broader evolution of forensic science, when you do
27:48
Speaker 2: not have a body, you have to fundamentally change your perspective. Right.
27:52
Speaker 2: You have to stop looking for a person... and start
27:56
Speaker 2: searching for the microscopic echoes of that person. You have
27:59
Speaker 2: to operate on the scientific principle that the human body
28:02
Speaker 2: is incredibly difficult, almost impossible to completely erase from an
28:06
Speaker 2: enclosed environment, especially if violent trauma occurred.
28:11
Speaker 1: So take us inside those hazmat suits. What exactly are
28:15
Speaker 1: these forensic teams looking for when they take a reciprocating
28:19
Speaker 1: saw to a piece of living room drywall?
28:22
Speaker 2: They are hunting for trace DNA. Locard's exchange principle dictates
28:26
Speaker 2: that every time two objects come into contact, there is
28:29
Speaker 2: an exchange of material. Right.
28:31
Speaker 1: You always leave something behind.
28:33
Speaker 2: Every time we interact with an environment, we leave a
28:36
Speaker 2: microscopic piece of ourselves behind. They are looking for single
28:40
Speaker 2: hair fibers that might have been trapped in the microscopic
28:42
Speaker 2: grooves of the wooden baseboards.
28:44
Speaker 1: Wow.
28:45
Speaker 2: They are looking for sloughed-off skin cells embedded deep in
28:48
Speaker 2: the synthetic padding beneath the carpets. And crucially, above all else,
28:52
Speaker 2: they are looking for blood.
28:54
Speaker 1: But hold on. Let's say R.C. Horse killed someone in
28:57
Speaker 1: that room five years ago. He had years and years
29:01
Speaker 1: to clean that house. He had unbothered time to scrub
29:04
Speaker 1: every inch of it with industrial cleaners. Doesn't bleach destroy
29:08
Speaker 1: that evidence?
29:09
Speaker 2: To the naked eye, yes. But that is where advanced
29:12
Speaker 2: chemical agents like luminol become essential tools in the forensic arsenal.
29:16
Speaker 1: Okay. Luminol.
29:17
Speaker 2: Luminol is a chemical that reacts specifically with the iron
29:20
Speaker 2: present in hemoglobin, which is the oxygen-carrying protein found in
29:24
Speaker 2: red blood cells.
29:25
Speaker 1: And luminol creates that chemiluminescence we always hear about, right?
29:29
Speaker 1: Basically a fancy word for making things glow in the dark?
29:31
Speaker 2: Yes. Chemiluminescence is the emission of light as a result
29:35
Speaker 2: of a chemical reaction. Even if a perpetrator meticulously scrubs
29:39
Speaker 2: a hardwood floor with bleach, and even if years or
29:42
Speaker 2: decades have passed, blood is an insidious liquid.
29:46
Speaker 1: It gets everywhere.
29:47
Speaker 2: It can seep into the porous microfissures of wood. It
29:51
Speaker 2: can soak into the microscopic pores of concrete in a
29:53
Speaker 2: basement or drip down into the invisible gaps between interlocking floorboards. Right.
29:59
Speaker 1: Places you just can't mop.
30:01
Speaker 2: Exactly. When investigators plunge a room into total darkness and
30:05
Speaker 2: spray luminol over those surfaces, any remaining invisible traces of
30:09
Speaker 2: hemoglobin will react and exhibit a bright blue glow.
30:13
Speaker 1: But wait, if he used bleach, doesn't bleach also make
30:17
Speaker 1: luminol glow? How do they know they aren't just finding
30:19
Speaker 1: a spot where he spilled Clorox while mopping?
30:22
Speaker 2: That is a very common issue. Bleach is a known
30:24
Speaker 2: false positive for luminol. The initial glow looks identical.
30:28
Speaker 1: Okay, so what do they do?
30:29
Speaker 2: However, modern forensic labs do not rely on luminol alone.
30:32
Speaker 2: It is merely a presumptive test, a way to say,
30:35
Speaker 2: look here. Once an area glows, they swab it and
30:38
Speaker 2: run secondary, highly specific confirmatory tests.
30:42
Speaker 1: Like what?
30:43
Speaker 2: Like the Castle-Meyer test or direct DNA extraction, which definitively
30:48
Speaker 2: differentiate between the chemical structure of household cleaners and the
30:51
Speaker 2: biological reality of human blood.
30:54
Speaker 1: So they are literally hunting for the invisible stains of
30:57
Speaker 1: the past. But there is a much darker theory swirling
31:00
Speaker 1: around this case as to why no whole bodies have
31:02
Speaker 1: been found in that house or buried in the yard.
31:05
Speaker 2: And it connects directly back to his writings.
31:08
Speaker 1: Exactly. It connects directly back to what R.C. Horsch wrote
31:11
Speaker 1: about in his fictional books. The step-by-step chemical disposal of
31:15
Speaker 1: a human body. We have to talk about the Walter
31:18
Speaker 1: White theory. The concept of wet cremation.
31:22
Speaker 2: It is a profoundly disturbing concept. And one that requires
31:26
Speaker 2: a very specific technical set of knowledge and dangerous materials
31:29
Speaker 2: to execute successfully.
31:31
Speaker 1: To give you an idea of how seriously the FBI
31:33
Speaker 1: is taking this theory, the police aren't just tearing down
31:36
Speaker 1: the walls inside the house. They have moved outside.
31:39
Speaker 2: Right.
31:39
Speaker 1: They are literally ripping up the municipal street sewers outside
31:43
Speaker 1: the Chew Avenue property. They are entirely dismantling the basement
31:46
Speaker 1: plumbing system pipe by pipe.
31:49
Speaker 2: Which is massive.
31:50
Speaker 1: Hazmat teams have physically removed massive unlabeled containers of unknown
31:54
Speaker 1: chemicals from R.C. 's basement. And right now, as we speak,
31:59
Speaker 1: there is a collection of horrific sludge that was extracted
32:03
Speaker 1: from those pipes sitting in vials pending testing at a
32:05
Speaker 1: highly specialized forensic anthropology laboratory in Chicago.
32:09
Speaker 2: To explain the underlying scientific logic here, when we talk
32:13
Speaker 2: about wet cremation, we are generally referring to a chemical
32:16
Speaker 2: process scientifically known as alkaline hydrolysis.
32:20
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go deep on this. How does alkaline hydrolysis
32:23
Speaker 1: actually work? How do you melt a person?
32:25
Speaker 2: It involves placing the body in a pressurized vessel and
32:28
Speaker 2: using strong, highly corrosive alkaline chemicals, typically lye, which is
32:33
Speaker 2: sodium hydroxide, or potassium hydroxide.
32:35
Speaker 1: Combined with heat.
32:37
Speaker 2: Combined with extreme heat and pressure. What this does is
32:40
Speaker 2: rapidly accelerate the natural decomposition process. Nature takes years to
32:45
Speaker 2: break down a body, but alkaline hydrolysis does it in hours.
32:48
Speaker 1: Wow.
32:49
Speaker 2: The chemical reaction fundamentally breaks down all the complex organic
32:52
Speaker 2: tissues of the body. The muscles, the fat, the organs.
32:56
Speaker 2: It turns them into a sterile liquid solution composed of
32:59
Speaker 2: basic amino acids, peptides, and sugars.
33:02
Speaker 1: Leaving only the skeleton behind, right?
33:04
Speaker 2: Correct. The organic matter liquefies, leaving only the inorganic bone
33:07
Speaker 2: matrix behind. And because all the collagen has been stripped
33:11
Speaker 2: away by the chemicals, those remaining bones become incredibly brittle.
33:14
Speaker 1: Like chalk.
33:15
Speaker 2: Exactly like chalk. They are so fragile they can easily
33:18
Speaker 2: be crushed into a fine dust-like powder with basic hand tools.
33:22
Speaker 2: So the terrifying theory investigators are working with is this.
33:26
Speaker 1: If R.C.
33:26
Speaker 2: Horsch was utilizing a crude makeshift version of this alkaline
33:29
Speaker 2: hydrolysis process in his basement, utilizing the chemicals they found,
33:33
Speaker 2: he could theoretically liquefy a human body and simply dispose
33:37
Speaker 2: of the liquid evidence straight down the basement floor drain.
33:40
Speaker 1: Which is absolutely horrifying to visualize. But I have to admit,
33:43
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely stuck on the mechanics of the Chicago lab part. Oh. Yeah,
33:48
Speaker 1: I am struggling to understand this. If you pour a
33:50
Speaker 1: liquid solution down a drain, it washes away into the
33:53
Speaker 1: city sewer system. It's gone.
33:55
Speaker 2: That's a common misconception.
33:56
Speaker 1: But for the next 10 years, thousands of gallons of
33:59
Speaker 1: water from the kitchen sink, the shower, the toilets, all
34:02
Speaker 1: wash over that exact same pipe. How could a lab
34:05
Speaker 1: in Chicago possibly expect to find anything in a scoop
34:08
Speaker 1: of basement sludge a decade later? Doesn't the city water
34:12
Speaker 1: just flush it all to the treatment plant?
34:14
Speaker 2: It's a highly logical question, but it stems from a
34:16
Speaker 2: misunderstanding of how domestic plumbing actually functions over time.
34:20
Speaker 1: Okay. Educate me.
34:21
Speaker 2: We tend to think of pipes as perfectly smooth, frictionless
34:24
Speaker 2: water slides. They are not. Residential plumbing systems, especially older
34:29
Speaker 2: ones like you would find on Chew Avenue, have P-traps
34:32
Speaker 2: under the drains.
34:32
Speaker 1: Right, that U-shape under the sink.
34:34
Speaker 2: Yes. They have elbow joints, 90-degree turns, and micro abrasions
34:37
Speaker 2: along the interior metal. Over years of use, they build
34:40
Speaker 2: up thick layers of scale, grease, and biological biofilm.
34:45
Speaker 1: So it's not a clean tube. It's like an artery
34:48
Speaker 1: with plaque.
34:48
Speaker 2: Exactly like an artery with plaque. When you dispose of
34:52
Speaker 2: a body via crude chemical means, it is rarely a
34:55
Speaker 2: perfect process. Heavy particulate matter, such as microscopic fragments of
35:00
Speaker 2: crushed bone that didn't dissolve, or human teeth, which are
35:03
Speaker 2: incredibly resistant to chemicals.
35:05
Speaker 1: Or heavy chemicals.
35:06
Speaker 2: Or dense chemical residue, yes. It does not flow smoothly
35:10
Speaker 2: out to the municipal sewer.
35:12
Speaker 1: It sinks.
35:14
Speaker 2: It becomes trapped in the heavy sludge at the bottom
35:16
Speaker 2: of a pea trap, or it gets permanently snagged in
35:19
Speaker 2: the rough, calcified interior of an old iron pipe.
35:23
Speaker 1: Even with all that water?
35:24
Speaker 2: Even with thousands of gallons of clean water running over
35:27
Speaker 2: it for years. That heavy, insoluble evidence can persist in
35:31
Speaker 2: these subterranean catchments. It sinks to the bottom and stays there.
35:35
Speaker 1: That is wild.
35:37
Speaker 2: That is what the forensic anthropologists in Chicago are meticulously
35:41
Speaker 2: sifting through. They are taking that sludge, placing it under
35:44
Speaker 2: high-powered microscopes, and looking for a single microscopic shard of
35:49
Speaker 2: human bone or a tooth enamel fragment hidden in the grime.
35:52
Speaker 1: That is just mind-blowing.
35:54
Speaker 2: It really shows you the sheer tenacity and microscopic focus
35:58
Speaker 2: of modern forensics.
35:59
Speaker 1: It's incredible science. But forensics, as incredible and precise as
36:03
Speaker 1: they are, have a massive limitation.
36:06
Speaker 2: Which is?
36:07
Speaker 1: They only tell the story of the dead. They tell
36:09
Speaker 1: us the how they were disposed of and the where
36:11
Speaker 1: it happened. But to truly understand the why and to
36:15
Speaker 1: understand the psychological context of how this nightmare functioned day
36:19
Speaker 1: to day, we can't look at pipes.
36:23
Speaker 2: No, you have to talk to people.
36:24
Speaker 1: We have to talk to the living. Because some women
36:27
Speaker 1: did make it out of the Chew Avenue house.
36:29
Speaker 2: And their firsthand accounts are the vital missing puzzle pieces.
36:32
Speaker 1: Right.
36:32
Speaker 2: Forensics gives us the endings. But the survivors provide the
36:36
Speaker 2: behavioral context of how R.C. and Eugene operated, how they
36:40
Speaker 2: identified and sourced their victims, and the pervasive atmosphere of
36:44
Speaker 2: terror they actively cultivated to keep people quiet.
36:48
Speaker 1: Let's start with a woman who bravely came forward from Camden,
36:50
Speaker 1: New Jersey. She remains unnamed in our sources for her
36:54
Speaker 1: own safety, but her story is chilling.
36:56
Speaker 2: It really is.
36:57
Speaker 1: She says she met R.C. and Eugene over a decade ago.
37:01
Speaker 2: No.
37:02
Speaker 1: We need to look at her situation at the time
37:03
Speaker 1: because it's not a coincidence. She was highly vulnerable.
37:07
Speaker 2: Very vulnerable.
37:08
Speaker 1: She was homeless, living on the streets, and she was
37:11
Speaker 1: actively struggling with a severe debilitating drug addiction. She says
37:17
Speaker 1: she went with them from Camden, across the bridge into Philly,
37:20
Speaker 1: to the Chew Avenue house with the promise of using drugs.
37:24
Speaker 2: Right.
37:24
Speaker 1: And once there, she blacked out.
37:27
Speaker 2: Which is a classic textbook predatory tactic. Utilizing heavy narcotics
37:31
Speaker 2: to chemically incapacitate a victim removes their physical ability to consent.
37:36
Speaker 1: Right.
37:36
Speaker 2: It removes their ability to fight back against restraints. And crucially,
37:41
Speaker 2: it impairs their hippocampus, preventing them from forming clear, reliable
37:45
Speaker 2: memories of the trauma.
37:46
Speaker 1: Which makes prosecuting the crime later incredibly difficult. Exactly. And
37:50
Speaker 1: when this woman woke up from this chemically induced blackout,
37:54
Speaker 1: she was disoriented, but she immediately realized what was happening.
37:57
Speaker 1: She found R.C. Horsch standing over her, actively photographing her
38:01
Speaker 1: while she was incapacitated.
38:02
Speaker 2: Horrifying.
38:03
Speaker 1: The survival instinct kicked in. She realized the mortal danger
38:07
Speaker 1: she was in. And she somehow managed to escape the house.
38:11
Speaker 1: But the true psychological horror of her story didn't end
38:15
Speaker 1: when she walked out the front door and got away.
38:17
Speaker 2: No, it followed her.
38:18
Speaker 1: Weeks later, she's back across the river in Camden trying
38:22
Speaker 1: to survive on the streets. Eugene Horsch found her. He
38:26
Speaker 1: actively tracked her down in another city.
38:28
Speaker 2: Wow.
38:29
Speaker 1: And he delivered a threat to her that I honestly
38:31
Speaker 1: can't stop thinking about. You walked up to her, looked
38:34
Speaker 1: at her and said, I can kill you right now
38:37
Speaker 1: and nobody would ever find you.
38:39
Speaker 2: That threat is incredibly revealing and it is vital to
38:42
Speaker 2: analyze the specific words he chose. I mean, notice he
38:45
Speaker 2: didn't say, I'm going to shoot you. He said, nobody
38:49
Speaker 2: would ever find you. He is not just threatening physical violence.
38:52
Speaker 2: He is psychologically weaponizing her societal status against her.
38:57
Speaker 1: Using her isolation as a weapon. Exactly.
38:59
Speaker 2: He is telling her, directly to her face, that her
39:02
Speaker 2: life has so little perceived value to the outside world,
39:06
Speaker 2: she is so disconnected from family and support systems, and
39:09
Speaker 2: their disposal methods are so effective that she would simply
39:12
Speaker 2: vanish without causing a single ripple in society.
39:15
Speaker 1: That is just evil.
39:17
Speaker 2: It is a statement of absolute godlike control over her existence.
39:21
Speaker 2: It is designed to induce utter hopelessness, to ensure she
39:24
Speaker 2: never goes to the police because she believes the police
39:27
Speaker 2: wouldn't care anyway.
39:28
Speaker 1: It is pure psychological torture. And her account of this
39:32
Speaker 1: terrifying dynamic is corroborated by the atmosphere described by another
39:35
Speaker 1: survivor in our sources, a woman named Mary Beth.
39:38
Speaker 2: Right. Mary Beth Story.
39:39
Speaker 1: Now, Mary Beth's connection is crucial because she actually knew
39:42
Speaker 1: Blair Tanzelli, the missing woman whose ID was found in
39:46
Speaker 1: the BMW at the traffic stop.
39:47
Speaker 2: That's right.
39:48
Speaker 1: Mary Beth spent considerable time at the Chew Avenue house
39:51
Speaker 1: before she eventually moved away, years prior to Blair's official disappearance.
39:55
Speaker 2: And when investigators spoke to her, how did she describe
39:58
Speaker 2: the day-to-day environment inside that home?
40:01
Speaker 1: She described it as chaos. Absolute, calculated chaos. She said Blair,
40:07
Speaker 1: even back then, would regularly disappear for three days at
40:09
Speaker 1: a time, just swallowed up by the environment of the house. Wow.
40:14
Speaker 1: Mary Beth described a constant, unending flow of different transient
40:18
Speaker 1: men and women coming in and out of the doors
40:20
Speaker 1: at all hours. Rampant, heavy, open drug use. And a lingering,
40:25
Speaker 1: overpowering chemical smell of ammonia that permanently permeated the entire property.
40:30
Speaker 2: The detail about the ammonia smell is a critical forensic
40:33
Speaker 2: observation by a layperson. Ammonia is a highly powerful, pungent
40:37
Speaker 2: cleaning agent.
40:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't mistake that smell.
40:40
Speaker 2: In criminal contexts, it is frequently used in massive quantities
40:44
Speaker 2: to mask the distinct, undeniable olfactory signature of human decomposition.
40:48
Speaker 1: Oh, God.
40:49
Speaker 2: Alternatively, it could be a direct chemical byproduct of the
40:52
Speaker 2: wet cremation disposal methods we discussed earlier. Either way, it
40:56
Speaker 2: suggests a constant, ongoing cycle of heavy sanitization.
41:00
Speaker 1: But the most important thing Mary Beth said, the quote
41:03
Speaker 1: that really changes how you view this entire case, was
41:06
Speaker 1: how she summarized R.C. and Eugene's operation.
41:10
Speaker 2: And what did she say?
41:11
Speaker 1: She used a very specific, terrifying phrase. She said, they
41:15
Speaker 1: actively use these streets as a hunting ground.
41:19
Speaker 2: That phrasing, hunting ground, is sociologically profound. It is a
41:23
Speaker 2: paradigm shift.
41:25
Speaker 1: How so?
41:26
Speaker 2: It forces us to move away from looking at R.C.
41:28
Speaker 2: Horsch merely as an isolated, anomalous monster hiding in a basement.
41:32
Speaker 2: And it demands that we look at the broader environment
41:34
Speaker 2: that allowed him to operate with impunity for so long.
41:37
Speaker 1: Right. Because that's the question everyone asks. How do you
41:40
Speaker 1: have a revolving door of transient people, massive amounts of
41:44
Speaker 1: illegal drugs, an overpowering smell of chemicals, and multiple women
41:48
Speaker 1: vanishing into thin air from a single row house over
41:51
Speaker 1: a decade and no one notices?
41:54
Speaker 2: Exactly.
41:55
Speaker 1: How do the neighbors not call the cops?
41:57
Speaker 2: Because predators of this caliber do not hunt randomly. They
42:00
Speaker 2: are highly rational, calculated actors when it comes to risk assessment.
42:04
Speaker 1: And they pick their spots.
42:06
Speaker 2: They actively seek out environments where the systemic vulnerabilities of
42:10
Speaker 2: the population provide them with natural camouflage. If we look
42:14
Speaker 2: at areas struggling with profound poverty, severe homelessness, and entrenched
42:19
Speaker 2: addiction crises, like the Kensington neighborhood in Philadelphia, which is
42:22
Speaker 2: frequently referenced as a backdrop in this region, you have
42:25
Speaker 2: a highly transient population.
42:27
Speaker 1: A population that society largely ignores or turns a blind
42:31
Speaker 1: eye to.
42:31
Speaker 2: Yes. And consider the mechanics of a missing persons report
42:35
Speaker 2: in that environment. When someone is unhoused and battling a
42:38
Speaker 2: severe substance use disorder, their daily routines are incredibly erratic.
42:43
Speaker 1: They might not be in touch with people.
42:45
Speaker 2: They may lose touch with their families for months or
42:47
Speaker 2: even years at a time. They might not have a
42:49
Speaker 2: cell phone. So when a predator targets a woman in
42:52
Speaker 2: this specific demographic and she vanishes, the alarm bells do
42:56
Speaker 2: not ring immediately.
42:57
Speaker 1: The family just thinks they are out of touch?
42:59
Speaker 2: The family, if they are still in contact, might tragically
43:02
Speaker 2: assume she is just on a bender or has voluntarily
43:05
Speaker 2: gone off the grid. If they do call the police,
43:07
Speaker 2: law enforcement might initially classify it as the voluntary disappearance
43:11
Speaker 2: of a transient adult, which receives far fewer resources than
43:15
Speaker 2: a kidnapped child.
43:16
Speaker 1: An administrative lag.
43:18
Speaker 2: The predator understands and explicitly exploits this administrative lag. They
43:23
Speaker 2: know they can operate within the systemic blind spot with
43:25
Speaker 2: near absolute impunity. The hunting ground isn't just a physical
43:29
Speaker 2: street with brick houses. The hunting ground is the societal
43:33
Speaker 2: apathy that surrounds that street.
43:35
Speaker 1: It's infuriating. It means the monster isn't just the man
43:38
Speaker 1: with a camera in the house. The monster is also
43:41
Speaker 1: the cracks in the system that let him hide in
43:42
Speaker 1: plain sight.
43:43
Speaker 2: It is a shared failure.
43:45
Speaker 1: Which leads us into the historical context of this case.
43:49
Speaker 1: Because to truly understand the monster at Shoe Avenue, we
43:52
Speaker 1: cannot just look at 2018 or 2023. We have to
43:55
Speaker 1: look backward. Always. This wasn't a sudden, out-of-nowhere escalation. A
44:00
Speaker 1: man doesn't wake up at 50 years old and suddenly
44:02
Speaker 1: decide to build a wet cremation lab in his basement. R.C.
44:06
Speaker 1: Horsch has a long documented history of grotesque behavior that
44:10
Speaker 1: serves as a series of flashing red warning lights. Exactly.
44:14
Speaker 2: Criminal behavior of this extreme magnitude rarely, if ever, manifests overnight.
44:20
Speaker 2: There is almost always a verifiable trajectory of escalation. You
44:24
Speaker 2: will find a history of boundary pushing, of the offender
44:27
Speaker 2: testing the waters of deviance, and slowly normalizing their own
44:30
Speaker 2: horrific fantasies over years.
44:32
Speaker 1: And the breadcrumbs R.C. Horsch left behind over the decades are... Unbelievable.
44:37
Speaker 1: Let's start with something incredibly macabre that investigators actually found
44:42
Speaker 1: inside the Chew Avenue house, sitting right alongside the hard
44:45
Speaker 1: drives full of digital files.
44:47
Speaker 2: What did they find?
44:49
Speaker 1: They found five urns. Urns filled with cremated human remains.
44:53
Speaker 2: Good lord.
44:54
Speaker 1: Now, through testing, they've identified the ashes in three of them.
44:59
Speaker 1: One urn is R.C. himself. He had his own ashes
45:02
Speaker 1: placed there before Eugene inherited the house. One is his sister,
45:06
Speaker 1: and one is a known friend.
45:08
Speaker 2: Which, while certainly morbid to pre-purchase your own urn and
45:12
Speaker 2: keep it on the mantle, is legally permissible.
45:14
Speaker 1: But it's the other two urns that are the problem.
45:17
Speaker 1: Two of the urns contain human ashes that remain completely,
45:21
Speaker 1: entirely unidentified.
45:23
Speaker 2: That is extremely concerning.
45:24
Speaker 1: And when you look at R.C. 's history, the presence
45:26
Speaker 1: of unidentified human ashes on his property takes on a sinister,
45:30
Speaker 1: horrifying context. Because R.C. Horsch had a previous... highly documented
45:35
Speaker 1: pathological obsession with the mechanics of cremation.
45:38
Speaker 2: This connects back to a major municipal scandal in Philadelphia,
45:42
Speaker 2: doesn't it? The 2007 case?
45:45
Speaker 1: Yes, the 2007 crematorium scandal. For those who don't remember,
45:48
Speaker 1: there was a funeral home in the Kensington area, the
45:51
Speaker 1: Garzone Funeral Home, that was shut down by federal authorities
45:55
Speaker 1: in a massive, horrific scandal.
45:57
Speaker 2: I remember that.
45:58
Speaker 1: It involved the illegal harvesting and black market sale of
46:00
Speaker 1: body parts, bones, and tissues from corpses before they were cremated.
46:04
Speaker 2: Just an awful situation.
46:06
Speaker 1: The Philadelphia Inquirer dug into old records and uncovered that R.C.
46:10
Speaker 1: Horsch was directly, intimately connected to this facility. He wasn't
46:14
Speaker 1: harvesting bones, but he was actively trading large amounts of
46:17
Speaker 1: cash and illegal drugs to a corrupt crematorium employee.
46:21
Speaker 2: But consider his motive. He wasn't paying for body parts
46:25
Speaker 2: to sell. The Enquirer piece highlights that he was trading
46:29
Speaker 2: cash and drugs specifically for backstage access, correct?
46:33
Speaker 1: Yes. He was bribing his way past the velvet rope
46:36
Speaker 1: of the funeral home. He was paying for backstage access
46:39
Speaker 1: to the dead. Wow. He was going into the back
46:41
Speaker 1: rooms and photographing and filming the corpses as they were
46:44
Speaker 1: being physically loaded into the industrial incinerators. And he didn't
46:47
Speaker 1: just keep these for his private dark web collection.
46:50
Speaker 2: No.
46:50
Speaker 1: The arrogance of this guy is astounding. In 2014, he
46:54
Speaker 1: held an actual public art exhibition at a gallery. where
46:56
Speaker 1: he presented these images to the public, including video footage
47:00
Speaker 1: of an unidentified dead woman being consumed by the flames.
47:04
Speaker 2: This is a critical psychological and logistical precursor to the
47:07
Speaker 2: Chew Avenue horrors. We talked earlier about his compulsion to record,
47:11
Speaker 2: his deep-seated need for a visual trophy of death. By
47:15
Speaker 2: bribing his way into a commercial crematorium, he found a
47:19
Speaker 2: socially adjacent, somewhat protected space To indulge in his necrophilic
47:24
Speaker 2: voyeurism without actually having to commit a murder yet.
47:26
Speaker 1: Like dipping his toes in the water. Yes.
47:29
Speaker 2: He is normalizing the presence of dead bodies in his
47:32
Speaker 2: daily life. But more importantly, from a logistical standpoint, he
47:36
Speaker 2: is studying the physical mechanics of absolute destruction. Oh, wow.
47:41
Speaker 2: Commercial crematoriums operate at temperatures between 1400 and 1800 degrees
47:45
Speaker 2: Fahrenheit to reduce a human body to bone fragments.
47:48
Speaker 1: He was taking notes.
47:49
Speaker 2: It is highly likely that this intense first-hand study in
47:53
Speaker 2: 2007 directly informed his later theoretical writings and alleged practical
47:57
Speaker 2: attempts at chemical disposal. He was using that funeral home
48:01
Speaker 2: as a classroom. He was studying exactly how to make
48:03
Speaker 2: a human body disappear.
48:05
Speaker 1: It was a literal master class in disposals. And the
48:09
Speaker 1: escalation of his behavior didn't stop with taking photos of
48:11
Speaker 1: the dead. Let's jump forward from 2007 to 2010. Let's
48:16
Speaker 1: look at a different house Arcee owned, this one in Cheltenham, Pennsylvania,
48:20
Speaker 1: just outside the city. This house went into foreclosure. A
48:24
Speaker 1: local contractor, a guy named Dave Speldos, was hired by
48:27
Speaker 1: the bank to go in, clean out the abandoned property,
48:29
Speaker 1: and photograph its condition for the foreclosure records.
48:32
Speaker 2: And the fact that this contractor preserved those photographs for
48:35
Speaker 2: over a decade is a stroke of, incredible, monumental luck
48:39
Speaker 2: for the current FBI investigation.
48:41
Speaker 1: It is pure luck. Speldos heard R.C. 's name on
48:44
Speaker 1: the local news recently regarding the Chew Avenue raid, remembered
48:48
Speaker 1: the bizarre clean-out job from 2010, dug up his old
48:51
Speaker 1: hard drive, and turned his photos straight over to the FBI.
48:54
Speaker 2: What a break.
48:55
Speaker 1: The inventory of what R.C. left behind in that Cheltenham
48:58
Speaker 1: house in 2010 is deeply, deeply disturbing. Speldos documented massive,
49:04
Speaker 1: hoarded piles of women's wigs, literal mountains of women's underwear,
49:09
Speaker 1: various sex toys, and highly realistic, anatomically correct mannequins scattered
49:14
Speaker 1: throughout the home.
49:16
Speaker 2: It paints quite a picture.
49:18
Speaker 1: He found a custom-made plaster mold of a human body,
49:21
Speaker 1: and embedded in the back of this plaster torso was
49:23
Speaker 1: a real knife. But the most chilling discovery of all
49:26
Speaker 1: was in the basement.
49:28
Speaker 2: What was down there?
49:29
Speaker 1: Spelldust found a massive, heavy, custom-built walk-in vault. It had
49:33
Speaker 1: the heavy door big enough for a person to walk into,
49:36
Speaker 1: installed in a residential basement.
49:38
Speaker 2: If we view the contents of this Cheltenham house through
49:41
Speaker 2: the lens of behavioral analysis, we are looking at the
49:44
Speaker 2: physical manifestation of what profilers call the rehearsal phase.
49:48
Speaker 1: The rehearsal phase.
49:49
Speaker 2: Serial offenders, particularly those driven by complex paraphilias and control fantasies,
49:55
Speaker 2: often engage in elaborate fantasy building and rehearsal before they
49:58
Speaker 2: ever act out their crimes on a living human being.
50:01
Speaker 2: They need to practice.
50:02
Speaker 1: Like a dress rehearsal.
50:03
Speaker 2: Yes. The mannequins, the wigs, the massive collection of underwear.
50:08
Speaker 2: These are not just fetishes. They're props. The plaster mold
50:12
Speaker 2: with a knife physically embedded in it is a tangible,
50:15
Speaker 2: three-dimensional realization of a violent fantasy.
50:19
Speaker 1: He is practicing the mechanics of stabbing. Exactly.
50:23
Speaker 2: And the walk-in vault? A vault of that size in
50:26
Speaker 2: a residential basement strongly suggests a preoccupation with captivity. It
50:31
Speaker 2: suggests he was experimenting with creating a soundproof, inescapable environment. Wow.
50:36
Speaker 2: He was physically building the infrastructure for his fantasies, years
50:40
Speaker 2: before the women on Chew Avenue began disappearing.
50:43
Speaker 1: He was building the stage, bathering the props, and writing
50:46
Speaker 1: the script. But perhaps the most infuriating precursor of all,
50:50
Speaker 1: the one that truly makes you want to scream at
50:52
Speaker 1: the justice system, was uncovered recently by the investigative reporters
50:55
Speaker 1: at the Philadelphia Inquirer.
50:57
Speaker 2: Right. This is a massive piece of the puzzle.
50:59
Speaker 1: They revealed that R.C. Horsch didn't just have a clean
51:02
Speaker 1: record before all this. He had a past criminal conviction.
51:06
Speaker 1: He was convicted of attempting to lure a nine-year-old girl
51:09
Speaker 1: into his car. A nine-year-old child.
51:12
Speaker 2: And that detail is paramount. That is a definitive, undeniable
51:17
Speaker 2: crossing of the line. He moved from the realm of
51:19
Speaker 2: dark fantasy and rehearsal props into predatory, actionable behavior against
51:24
Speaker 2: the most vulnerable members of society.
51:27
Speaker 1: But here is the absolute kicker. The thing that makes
51:30
Speaker 1: your blood boil. That conviction for luring a child was vacated.
51:35
Speaker 1: and completely expunged from his permanent record in 2015.
51:39
Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
51:41
Speaker 1: It was wiped totally clean by the courts. In fact,
51:44
Speaker 1: the physical paperwork of that conviction was slated for total
51:47
Speaker 1: destruction in the archives until a judge recently issued a
51:50
Speaker 1: last-minute temporary halt to preserve the records in light of
51:54
Speaker 1: the current FBI investigation.
51:56
Speaker 2: Thank goodness for that judge.
51:58
Speaker 1: So I have to ask you, looking at this from
52:01
Speaker 1: a systemic level, When a justice system takes a conviction
52:05
Speaker 1: as serious as attempting to abduct a nine-year-old and just
52:08
Speaker 1: wipes the slate clean, completely expunges it from public and
52:12
Speaker 1: police databases, how does that impact a community's safety? And
52:16
Speaker 1: more importantly, how does that embolden a predator like R.C.
52:21
Speaker 2: Horsch? It serves as the ultimate systemic validation of their
52:24
Speaker 2: own arrogance. We have to understand the profound danger of
52:28
Speaker 2: administrative blind spots in the justice system. Right. Expungement laws
52:32
Speaker 2: fundamentally are designed with good intentions. They are meant for
52:36
Speaker 2: restorative justice.
52:37
Speaker 1: Sure, second chances.
52:39
Speaker 2: Allowing individuals who committed minor nonviolent offenses in their youth
52:42
Speaker 2: to reintegrate into society, get a job, and secure housing
52:46
Speaker 2: without carrying a permanent scarlet letter.
52:48
Speaker 1: But this wasn't a minor nonviolent offense.
52:51
Speaker 2: No. But when serious, calculated, predatory behavior slips through these
52:56
Speaker 2: administrative cracks and is erased, the psychological impact on the
53:00
Speaker 2: offender increases. is disastrous.
53:02
Speaker 1: Because it tells them they are legally untouchable. Exactly.
53:05
Speaker 2: It reinforces their deeply held narcissistic belief that they are
53:09
Speaker 2: fundamentally smarter than the system. It removes the deterrent of
53:13
Speaker 2: active police surveillance or neighborhood awareness. Wow. When R.C. Horsch's
53:17
Speaker 2: record was wiped clean in 2015, he ceased to be
53:20
Speaker 2: a known threat on paper. If a patrol car ran
53:23
Speaker 2: his plates, nothing would pop up. He became a ghost
53:27
Speaker 2: to law enforcement.
53:28
Speaker 1: That is terrifying.
53:29
Speaker 2: That expungement provided him the ultimate government-sanctioned cover to quietly
53:33
Speaker 2: operate his hunting ground on Chew Avenue. The system essentially
53:37
Speaker 2: handed him the darkness and anonymity he needed to confidently
53:40
Speaker 2: escalate from luring a child on a street corner to
53:43
Speaker 2: what investigators now believe is a highly organized, multi-victim homicide
53:47
Speaker 2: operation utilizing chemical disposal.
53:50
Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for us? As we
53:53
Speaker 1: come to the end of this incredibly heavy, deep dive,
53:57
Speaker 1: We have to pull all these terrifying, disparate threads together
54:00
Speaker 1: to see the full picture.
54:02
Speaker 2: If we synthesize everything we've unpacked today, the sheer magnitude
54:06
Speaker 2: and horror of this case becomes fully apparent.
54:08
Speaker 1: It really does.
54:09
Speaker 2: It began with the seemingly random, everyday chance of a
54:12
Speaker 2: traffic stop by Independence Mall, which uncovered a predator's tactical
54:16
Speaker 2: toolkit and the stolen identity of a missing woman.
54:19
Speaker 1: Just a parking violation by a fire hydrant.
54:21
Speaker 2: Yes. And that single thread pulled federal investigators into a
54:25
Speaker 2: massive digital labyrinth of one million files containing verifiable, horrific
54:31
Speaker 2: recordings of violence and torture.
54:33
Speaker 1: Which in turn necessitated the unprecedented physical dismantling of an
54:37
Speaker 1: entire suburban home.
54:39
Speaker 2: With hazmat teams searching for microscopic trace DNA and chemical
54:43
Speaker 2: sludge in the plumbing that might prove the ultimate terrifying
54:46
Speaker 2: theory of alkaline hydrolysis.
54:48
Speaker 1: And all of this occurred against the backdrop of a
54:50
Speaker 1: vulnerable community. transient community in Kensington being actively utilized as
54:55
Speaker 1: a hunting ground.
54:56
Speaker 2: A hunting ground orchestrated by a man who telegraphed his
54:59
Speaker 2: dark evolution for over a decade through crematorium access, rehearsal props,
55:05
Speaker 2: and a legally expunged predatory conviction.
55:08
Speaker 1: It is a staggering, heartbreaking collision of digital evidence, extreme forensics,
55:13
Speaker 1: and catastrophic systemic failure.
55:15
Speaker 2: It truly is.
55:16
Speaker 1: And at the absolute center of all this complexity... Beneath
55:20
Speaker 1: the chemical forensics, the legal jargon of probable cause, and
55:25
Speaker 1: the analysis of digital metadata are the names that actually matter.
55:29
Speaker 1: The victims. The names of the women we absolutely cannot forget.
55:34
Speaker 1: Gabrielle Amarando, Maribel Freises, Nicole Fusaro, Blair Tanzelli, Amy Michaela.
55:42
Speaker 2: We have to remember them.
55:43
Speaker 1: These families have been waiting, some for more than a decade.
55:47
Speaker 1: trapped in the agonizing purgatory of not knowing what happened
55:50
Speaker 1: to their daughters, their sisters, their mothers. They deserve the
55:54
Speaker 1: absolute truth, no matter how deeply it is buried in
55:57
Speaker 1: the floorboards or how cleverly it is hidden in an
56:00
Speaker 1: encrypted digital file.
56:01
Speaker 2: The immense dedication of the forensic teams sifting through that
56:05
Speaker 2: plumbing sludge in Chicago and the digital analysts dissecting those
56:08
Speaker 2: files pixel by pixel is a testament to the fact
56:11
Speaker 2: that these women, despite the attempts to erase them, are
56:14
Speaker 2: not forgotten.
56:15
Speaker 1: And as we wrap up today, I want to leave
56:18
Speaker 1: you listening to this with one final deeply provocative thought.
56:22
Speaker 1: Something from the source material that has honestly been keeping
56:25
Speaker 1: me awake at night. What is that? We noted earlier
56:28
Speaker 1: that the FBI labs have only been able to review
56:30
Speaker 1: about one third of those one million digital files.
56:33
Speaker 2: That's right.
56:34
Speaker 1: Just one third. And that first fraction has already yielded
56:37
Speaker 1: 58 identified individuals, authenticated murder recordings, and discoveries that have
56:42
Speaker 1: shut down a city block.
56:43
Speaker 2: It's a terrifying thought.
56:44
Speaker 1: What happens when they open the next folder? What does
56:47
Speaker 1: it mean for our understanding of hidden criminal networks, of
56:50
Speaker 1: predators operating in plain sight, if the remaining two-thirds of
56:53
Speaker 1: those files contain the terrified faces of women who have
56:56
Speaker 1: never even been officially reported missing?
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Speaker 2: It forces us to confront a reality that most people
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Speaker 2: would rather ignore.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah. How many invisible victims walk among us right now?
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Speaker 1: People whose societal vulnerability is so profound, whose isolation is
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Speaker 1: so complete that that their sudden, you know, their violent disappearance,
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Speaker 1: it goes completely unregistered by the world around them.
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Speaker 2: It's a dark reality.
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Speaker 1: It makes you look at the quiet houses on your
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Speaker 1: own street, the ones with the drawn blinds, just a
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Speaker 1: little bit differently.
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Speaker 2: It demands that we remain vigilant.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: It demands that we look closer at the vulnerable populations
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Speaker 2: in our own communities and that we do not let
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Speaker 2: people simply fade into the background.
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Speaker 1: Keep questioning the world around you. Don't accept the quiet
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Speaker 1: street at face value. Thank you for joining us on
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Speaker 1: this deep dive. We'll be back next time as we
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Speaker 1: continue to unpack the stories hidden just beneath the surface.