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WHY Did They Cut That Scene? | MAFIA II | Summary · Replay Reviews

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When's the last time? When did we record part
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five is what I want to know. Oh, hi, Toast. It
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was, I think, before my trip to Japan. It was
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for sure. It was June 7th was the last recording
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on our calendar. It's currently September 15th.
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Are you kidding me? It was June? Where July and
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August go. Exactly. Thank you for coming back
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from our replay reviews. My name is Leah. And
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my name is Kathy. We are two friends who are
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here to replay, review, and analyze your favorite
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video games. And since Kathy has never seen the
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games before, it helps me view them through her
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fresh eyes, almost like I'm discovering them
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again for the first time. We hope it will be
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a similar experience for you. Anything you want
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to say before we start the summary for Mafia
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2? Not much. I will say... Actually, I'm going
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to wait until topic one. Okay. What is topic
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one? Veto. Just one word. But with the extra
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given time between June and now September, I
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think my emotions have calmed down a bit. The
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hate isn't as strong as it was back in June.
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But I think we can still agree on that. He's
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not a really good character. And I guess my hate
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is, it's not that, I mean, I know I say I hate
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Vito, but what I really mean is I hate how they
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wrote Vito. Yes. As the character, it makes sense.
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And that's one thing I found is that there are
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some people who have issues with him like we
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do. Other people like that he's just like a true
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criminal. He's not a rat or someone trying to
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do good. But I feel like they just, they fell
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short with his character still, like the writing.
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There just weren't good scenes for Vito. And
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I think even if he is a criminal, he'd still
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have some emotion or some moral compass, even
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if it's a completely skewed moral compass. Agreed.
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And for me, I went a bit deeper into thinking
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about what makes a good character good. So to
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me, I guess I would say 80 % of it is all about
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the character art. And I split into four different
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categories and this is pretty generic. There's
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the other category, but mainly they either start
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good and then they go bad or they start good
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and continue to do good. And the problem is Vito
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doesn't fit into any of those groups. It's pretty
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anticlimactic of a storyline. He has no growth.
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He makes enough money to help Frankie with her
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debt, but then continues to be in the mafia.
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So there's no reason why he continues to do that
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or any reasons to be in the mafia. And then he
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doesn't like his own dad, doesn't really care
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for his mom when he's out of jail. And then all
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of a sudden in the end, he's like, I need to
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kill because I need to seek revenge for you killing
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my father to the guy at the docks. It's like
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he's just jumping at any opportunity to do bad,
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to be violent. You know, it's like he didn't
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care about his dad until, oh, well, there's this
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person responsible right here. So I'd be justified
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if I killed them. I just feel like he searches
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for excuses to do something bad. Exactly. But
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I want to know why. Like, does he feel that the
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system is pushing him? You know what I mean?
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They just needed to give us a little bit more,
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and then I think he's more compelling. Let's
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move on to topic two. All right. Ending reactions.
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Mine's short, so I'll just go ahead. Mine is
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too. It's bad. It's not even like in a, wow,
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that's so dumb kind of way, but more of a, what
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a letdown. kind of way like there just isn't
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an ending at all i would rather have more meat
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even if it's rotten meat you know what i mean
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yeah and what drives me nuts is that if there
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was more to it i would have appreciated a to
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be continue at the end of it if they don't continue
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with this i would almost suspect that they ran
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out of budget and money to finish out the storyline
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they said well that's that's it we're about to
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go unemployed and Just throw something at the
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wall, let it stick, and then just call it. Yeah.
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If the third game is any sort of continuation,
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they're going to need to do a lot better. Okay.
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I don't know why that was so high pitched. Are
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we ready for our third topic, which is our good
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old burning questions? Who is this lady, Kathy?
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I have no clue. Why are... If anyone even cares
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about her. I feel like the game is trying to
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use sex appeal to attract people into this game,
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but they're horribly done. It's awkward. It's
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clunky. It's disgusting. Well, to build off of
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that, she doesn't even have a name from what
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I found. She's literally just Joe's girl. I checked
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the Mafia 2 wiki, found out she's just Joe's
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girl. We never know her name. But it does also
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mention a few things, that she is sweet on Clemente
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and has been seen with Eddie Scarpa and Luca
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Guarino. I couldn't find a whole lot of people
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speculating about her, which I was very disappointed.
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I thought that there would be more mystery online
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surrounding her. My theory, by the end of the
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game, Clemente and Guarino, two of the men that
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she was involved with, are dead. And Scarpa's
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status is unknown. joe we think is probably maybe
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dead too a lot of the men she's been involved
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with and it could just be because people in the
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mafia die right but i have this itching feeling
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that she's like a snitch and maybe she was even
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brought on by henry because he saw that she was
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around a lot and i mean yeah they all the mafia
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guys seem to have girls but a lot of the guys
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she rubbed shoulders with her dead so i don't
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know if it's a coincidence because she was also
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trying to like flirt with veto too so it seems
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like she was going after mafia guys i'm either
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convinced that that's the case she's a snitch
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or she was supposed to have a larger storyline
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and they just they just didn't do it they scrapped
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it i'm happy to accept that being her her background
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story because it's so much better than whatever
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it is and can i also add that And watching some
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of the gameplays again. When she was inviting
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Vito into the bathtub with her, she had her shoes
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on, I'm pretty sure. I know, I noticed that too.
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Also, the woman that she calls to has a name.
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I forget what it is. But she doesn't have a name.
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Yeah, but why does she have a name and not Joe's
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girl? So the second question I have is, what
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were your thoughts about the whole Tommy scene
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being included in Mafia 2? I like it. I like
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that this is the connection we get that ties
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it together. And I think we've said it. The issue
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is, I don't care about these two characters.
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I don't care about Vito and Joe. And it just
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only works if we're meant to dislike them. But
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I don't feel like that's what the writers want
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is for us to dislike them. So I'm confused on
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what I'm supposed to be feeling. When what I
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really feel is, hey, that's an interesting connection,
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but I wish that they'd done it better. I'm leaning
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towards not liking this scene. One, because it
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was just too out of the blue. And two, it kind
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of disrespects Tommy's whole storyline where
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Tommy did it. And yes, some would say he's a
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rat, but he had built up this legacy and then
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he was able to retire and just kind of wash his
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hands clean of it. And then you have two low
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lives. killing him all because they're short
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on cash because they weren't being financially
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responsible when it comes to selling drugs well
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and the fact that in my opinion it was done poorly
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kind of it doesn't ruin but sort of like sully's
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the perfect ending that mafia one had like that
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ending was so good and you're like oh shit family's
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forever the family found him and killed yeah
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and so knowing that The family that actually
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killed him is these two knuckleheads that can't
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get their shit together. And it's an unrelated
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family. So that kind of annoys me too. Wouldn't
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Salieri want to be sure it gets done? I just
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don't feel like he would trust another family
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to do this. But I don't know. I just think that
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the fact that it's those two that do it is kind
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of a letdown. Because it feels disconnected from
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Salieri in a way. Agreed. Okay, is that it for
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your question? Should I do mine? We got into
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this a little bit in part five, but why did Vito
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hate Falcone so much? Why the dramatic monologue?
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We seem to be justified in this moment not sitting
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well with us because it turns out, from my research,
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there was cut content where Falcone set up Henry.
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and it proves that he was the one who sent the
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fake cops during that drug deal, which essentially
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outs him to the tongs and ends up getting him
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killed. Apparently, in this cut content, Henry
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was not actually an informant. He was just strictly
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set up to look like one because he was pushing
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it into Falcone's territory. Oh, no. But this
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was changed, and we now instead have Leo saying,
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confirming that he was a rat. I think that they
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should have edited the monologue to fit this
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new concept. I always did have some doubts on
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Henry being a rat because I don't trust any of
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them saying he really is a rat unless I see evidence
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of it. I don't believe it. And so this makes
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me feel better that he was set up. It's like
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heavy rain all over again. The important stuff
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that you want to keep that makes it good ends
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up being cut. Even if they just cut out the part
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of Leo confirming he was a rat. So then we as
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the player and Vito is like, you're not sure.
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You can choose whether or not you want to believe
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it, and then it feels more like he was maybe
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set up. I don't know. I wish they'd kept in the
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setup part so that we understand his monologue
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better. But I do think that him being a rat is
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more interesting. I just wish that there was
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more content surrounding that. It would have
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been better if they said, we don't know if he's
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a rat or not, but better to kill him than to
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let him live. I put a topic of my own in here.
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Editing fines. This is stuff that I noticed while
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editing the video episodes that I'm like, how
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do we not talk about this? I have two that you
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just have to see. I'm going to show you the cleaning
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lady from Joe's apartment. All right. Remember
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what she looks like. I think she's in the building
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during the big shootout when they try to assassinate
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him. I think she pops out of the elevator. Tell
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me that's not her. Does she have red hair? Tell
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me that's not her. I think it is her. Good catch.
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How did she notice that? What did she do? I guess
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she cleans that. I don't know. I think it's the
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hair and the run. But she didn't run before,
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so ignore me. I had to highlight that. And then
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this thing. Oh my gosh, I can't believe we didn't
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see this in the video. It's disturbing. Just
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another great instance of this being a terrible
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definitive edition. What is wrong with Leo's
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eyes? Just keep watching. Where is Leo looking
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at? Not Vito. Why is his eye just... They're
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stuck. I don't like that. There's another thing
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that happens with the passenger in this car.
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So the guy right behind Leo. Wait for it. What?
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Oh, my God. Here we go again. What the heck?
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What did they do to them in this car? I don't
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know. Terrible. Again, why I think they ran out
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of money. You had to see it. I couldn't let that
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go by. The owl thing. That's shocking. So, topic
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five? KFC's Kathy's favorite character. First
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thing is Stale Biscuit. So I'm just going to
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have you guess. The lady. Oh, I probably could
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have. But I think as I was doing this, I was
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on too much of a hating veto train. So he ended
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up being a stale biscuit because he's not trash.
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But he's not KFC. I would rather he be trash,
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though. Oh, really? Because then he'd be more
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compelling if we hated him. But he's just stale.
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Yeah, that's worse to be stale than trash in
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this instance. As the main character. Yeah. Which
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then, kind of on the opposite side, is post -game
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KFC. So, my favorite character? I think you can
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guess this one. I'm hoping it's Henry. Yep. Again,
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the fact that he can probably have his own prequel,
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maybe in Mafia 2 .5. A whole other game. Yeah.
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That's how good his character was. I want to
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see him start as a cop and just turn bad and
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go full Mafia. Because then we're not doing what
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Tommy did where he was like, oh, I'm going to
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rat out the family. then it's it's the opposite
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it's good good turning bad that's what i want
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to see that'd be pretty good there's that whole
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added level of if one side finds out like if
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the mafia finds out they're not going to believe
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that i really like i'm actually working for them
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and i enjoy this but if the cops find out like
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they can't find out you know what i mean yeah
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i'm done for so it's like you're not safe either
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way and that's why it would be so good it'd be
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stressful Okay, whoever writes these games needs
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to reach out to us because we have some ideas.
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Watch it be the third game. Okay. So, post -game
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KS. Kentucky Scorcher. The character, I think,
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is visually the most good -looking one. Also,
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again, hoping you said Henry. Yes. These are
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easy guesses. That's how bad the characters are.
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There's only one good one in the whole game.
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Exactly. Oh, well. Okay, I'm kind of nervous
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because I can't remember. It's been so, so, so
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long since I did the Blind KS. So this is who
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I chose prior to knowing their storyline. I didn't
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go crazy and give you 14 options like I did in
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Red Dead. That was insane. 10. Oh, God. You didn't
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have as many notes this time. You say immediately
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second row, second guy. That's Vito. Really?
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Why does he kind of look Asian? I'm not going
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to comment on that. And then you said also second
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row, fourth guy. That's Henry. Okay. What did
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I say? I'm not really following your grammar
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yet. I'm going to have to read it out loud. Okay,
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let me start from the top. Immediately, second
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row, second guy, Vito. But why does he kind of
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look Asian? So I think that was your initial
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pick, was Vito. And then you said, also, second
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row, fourth guy, Henry. Because they must have
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modeled the character after Pierce Brosnan during
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his 007 days. And then you said, but I'm going
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to say, second row, second guy, which is Vito.
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Because he looks like Nathan Adrian, in parentheses,
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for my benefit, Olympic swimmer. Who happens
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to be my childhood crush during the Olympic Games.
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I just learned so much about you. I love watching
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you read the comments for the first time. Not
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understanding because when I type these things,
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there's no such thing as grammars. It goes completely
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out the window. Okay, but you have to say I could
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see past me. Okay, this was nearly 1 a .m. in
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the morning. So the unhinged grammar makes sense.
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It kind of does look Asian. I know. You chose
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a screen cap knowing that he's Italian. I picked
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the first one of high quality that I could find.
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I don't spend hours on these. Joe actually looks
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decent in the screenshot though. I will say.
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Stop. Better than what he actually looks like
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in the game because he looks like a stupid idiot.
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You're so close to picking Henry. So as part
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of KFC, I like to also do LFC, Leah's favorite
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character. I have to say it has to be Henry.
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He's the only character with substance in this
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whole game. I'm sorry. I don't want to hate on
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this game so much because I actually did enjoy
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the storyline. I didn't enjoy playing it, but
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I enjoyed digging into the story with you. But
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I will say if Henry was not in this game, it
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would be a lot worse. That's true. But we don't
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even get a lot of Henry screen time either. Nope.
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And he's still our favorite, so what does that
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tell you? Moving on to our next topic, which
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is stats. The statistics. I'm going to just give
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you a couple of guesses, but not many. Am I guessing
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just one, or how many stats did you have? I had
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four. Four? I had a secret fourth stat. I only
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wrote down three things, so I'm going to think
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of some on the fly. The first one I have is pedestrian
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pancakes or almost. Yes. Pedestrian pancakes
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is correct. How many people did I run over in
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my car, Kathy? I feel like there wasn't that
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many. Probably like one per part. Five? Three.
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Okay. Not bad. Could have gone a lot worse. There
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is the corkscrew lady. There is another one who
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grunted. It's one of my favorite moments in this
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game. Forever known as the corkscrew lady. There's
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three more. I cared a hazard, I guess. I think,
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how many cigarettes are cigars smoked? Yes. This
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is my favorite thing to track. Yes. It's probably
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going to be in every game. I love track. I'm
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going to tell you, I just lumped cigars in this
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time. Okay. And this is for even... Background
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characters or main characters only? Anytime I
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saw anyone smoking a cigarette. Okay. I think
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there's quite a lot. But I don't want to say
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like 20 because I feel like that's too much.
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But then I shouldn't second guess. It was either
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12 or 20. So I'm going to go 20. 51. This is
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the bird thing again. Well, hey, you're doing
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good with the categories so far. Want to guess?
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Okay, this is where it goes downhill. And this
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may be subjective, but how many insults were
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thrown? No. All right. I'm going to reveal one,
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and then you can guess on the last one. Okay,
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what is it? Ratteo appearances. How many rats
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were there in the game? I think two, right? No.
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Kathy, we walked through a sewer. The look you
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just gave me. I forgot about that. I'll give
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you one more guess. Two doesn't count. Okay,
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eight? Fifteen. Fifteen rats. How? There was
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quite a few rats in the sewer and also in the
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prison. Which I don't know why that's funny,
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what it is. I forgot about prison rats. Alright,
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there's one more stat. Is it a person, place,
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thing, or phrase? Thing. Give me another hint.
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Cold. Something in the fridge, then? Or how many
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dead bodies, morgues? Oh! Morgues? No, you just
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really escalated that from items in the fridge.
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I don't know. My brain's not working. Okay. Snowflakes.
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Like drugs or like actual snowflakes? Actual
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snowflakes. Are you counting actual snowflakes,
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Leah? I did not count snowflakes, but I did count
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birds again. No. Are you kidding me? You counted
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birds? I did. What? I counted the birds again,
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including implied birds, which is when I saw
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a bird's shadow. This is why you don't have time
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to do editing, Leah, when you're counting freaking
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birds. What? I don't think there's going to be
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as many as Detroit Become Human, but there has
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to be a significant amount. I want to say 100.
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I have no clue if that's too much or too little.
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Let's do 81. 100 and 92. What? Where were these
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birds? In the sky. I mean, like, yeah. On telephone
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wires. On buildings. Casting shadows. I'm, like,
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speechless that you did birds again, but also
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that there was nearly 200 birds. Hey, I really
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thought that you were going to yell at me for
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thinking I counted snowflakes. I feel like snowflakes
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is worse than birds. It is. There's no way I
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would do that to myself. The birds was bad enough.
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Well, anyway, that was our last topic. You got
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anything else you want to say? No, that's it.
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I'm excited to move on from Mafia. Are you excited
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when you realize it's Horror Month? No. I don't
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know. I'll let you know at the end of the Horror
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Month. Remind me if I like Mafia 2 more or our
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horror game. Okay. Next week will be a new game.
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It'll be the start of Horror Month. I'm ready.
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Are you? No. I don't know, but we're, I saw something
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about, was it September, October, November? I
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think there's like 16 weeks of Fridays left until
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Christmas. 15. Oh, wow. So sarcastic. Wow, Leah.
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Sorry. I just wasn't expecting that to be the
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fact that you said. I'm probably not even counting
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it correctly, but. um anyway my dog is all over
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everything so i think we have to go but anyway
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thank you for there was a voice crack thank you
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for listening i hope you guys enjoyed the game
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