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Brice Larson gives the latest on the lawsuits pitting UVU against the WAC over a million dollar exit fee · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome back to the Shaw O'Connell Show. It's
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  Speaker 3: Utah men's and women's basketball in action tonight. It is
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  Speaker 3: We're lucky enough to welcome in Bryce Larson. He is
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  Speaker 3: morning alongside Jordan Bianucci, Bryce and Biannucci and Bryce Larsen
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  Speaker 3: is a UVU insider.
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  Speaker 2: Among other things. There's a range happening going on with.
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  Speaker 3: UVU in a legal battle them against the whack over
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  Speaker 3: some exit fees, and so Bryce's kind enough to give
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  Speaker 3: us some insight today.
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  Speaker 4: It's going on. Sean, how are you? I'm good man,
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  Speaker 4: How are you? I'm doing good here? Before we get
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  Speaker 4: to UVU. Yeah, all right, we got some bigger fish
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  Speaker 4: to Fry. We started the show today and we were
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  Speaker 4: talking about. The jumping off point was the fact that
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  Speaker 4: Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacio are being paid to box
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  Speaker 4: each other again eleven years after their first meeting, and
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  Speaker 4: even that was too late in their careers for it
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  Speaker 4: to be relevant. So I don't know what Netflix is
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  Speaker 4: doing here, but to me it was a testament to
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  Speaker 4: how desperate television networks. But the sports appetite is for stars,
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  Speaker 4: for recognizable names, for somebody whose face you can put
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  Speaker 4: on a T shirt or name you can put on
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  Speaker 4: a jersey or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And the NBA's got stars. We don't have any.
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  Speaker 3: With the Utah Jazz necessarily budding borderline, yeah, fledgling. Maybe
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  Speaker 3: same thing with the Mammoth, probably a little bit, a
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  Speaker 3: little bit better situation.
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  Speaker 2: With the Mammoth.
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  Speaker 3: You got a guy bringing a gold medal home from
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  Speaker 3: Italy and tm USA, Clayton Keller, he's your captain. Cooley's
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  Speaker 3: probably more popular than him right now. Gunther's way up there,
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  Speaker 3: Veggie's way up there, Sergachev, et cetera, et cetera. But
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  Speaker 3: who is the biggest star athlete in the state of
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  Speaker 3: Utah right now? Anything, It doesn't have to be pro
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  Speaker 3: sports because college sports are pro sports.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, in terms of the most recognized guy by the
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  Speaker 4: wide swaths of people out there, I think it's gotta
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  Speaker 4: be the guy that's been covered the most starting out
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  Speaker 4: in high school.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably a J. Debantsa, Right, That's what I would
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  Speaker 2: have to lean towards.
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  Speaker 4: Because you turn on ESPN, and whenever they talk about
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  Speaker 4: college basketball, they're talking about Boozer, they're talking about Darren Peterson,
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  Speaker 4: they're talking about Debanza. So I think in terms of
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  Speaker 4: a national type of deal, it's probably AJ Debantsa, which
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  Speaker 4: is I think the right answer. It's also a problematic
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  Speaker 4: answer if you're building brands here in the state of Utah,
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  Speaker 4: especially if I mean Ryan Smith and the Entertainment Group.
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  Speaker 3: They done a good job with the Mammoth. I think
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  Speaker 3: they're hopefully doing a better job moving forward with the
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  Speaker 3: Utah Jazz. But like, that's a guy who's in Utah
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  Speaker 3: for guaranteed six months, right, If that's the biggest star
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  Speaker 3: we have in the state, and look, there's been times
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  Speaker 3: that a college football player was the biggest.
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  Speaker 2: Of the state.
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  Speaker 3: You could make a case for Bear Bachmeyer, you can
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  Speaker 3: make a case for Devin dan Pierre.
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  Speaker 2: But I think Aj Debon says he's.
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  Speaker 3: The right answer, and I'm like, is that a good
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't feel like a good thing.
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  Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do about it right now.
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  Speaker 3: But I think you're right on that, And it's a
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  Speaker 3: strange place to be if he was a jimmer for
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  Speaker 3: Debt a multiple season, like a, oh, we know this
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  Speaker 3: guy and we know his story and all that. So
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  Speaker 3: we know AJ's story, but he's a one and done
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  Speaker 3: and if the Jazz don't get to draft him and
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  Speaker 3: he's gone, then the answer is at that time, because
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  Speaker 3: of the timing of it, probably whichever of the in
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  Speaker 3: state quarterbacks has a better season.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's why college basketball as a whole has
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  Speaker 4: such a big problem right now in terms of TV ratings.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody wants to watch the regular season because there's not
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  Speaker 4: a lot of stars in college basketball that stick around
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  Speaker 4: for multiple years. That's the key to this whole argument,
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  Speaker 4: stick around for multiple years because they all just start
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  Speaker 4: one and done, so they go to the NBA and
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  Speaker 4: then you have them in the NBA. And when your
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  Speaker 4: NBA team here locally doesn't have any quote unquote stars Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: it's a little bit of an issue.
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  Speaker 3: And it begs the question as a fan whether you're
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  Speaker 3: rooting for wins and results or you're rooting for stars.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, RSL's got a couple of dudes who are
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  Speaker 3: really good.
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  Speaker 2: They're really fun to watch. Yeah, diegou Man, but.
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  Speaker 3: Until you have real results, and the same is true
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  Speaker 3: with the hockey guys right now.
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  Speaker 2: I think a couple.
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  Speaker 3: Of them have a chance to emerge if you can
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  Speaker 3: win a playoff series.
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  Speaker 2: And definitely, dare I not dream to talk about a
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  Speaker 2: Stanley Cup.
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  Speaker 3: Another thing I wanted to touch on, mate, mostly because
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  Speaker 3: James was underwhelming in his response to it. The Dirty
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  Speaker 3: Sodas Man alternate branding for the Salt Lake Bees, who
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  Speaker 3: I still wish were right here downtown, but now that
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  Speaker 3: they're out in daybreak, the Dirty sodas What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: As I understand it, you're a big fan of this.
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  Speaker 4: I with so many good opportunities to go a different direction,
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  Speaker 4: I think this is just a terrible decision all around,
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  Speaker 4: just awful. Okay, so many, so many ways to the
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  Speaker 4: stick in the Mice Show over a ESPN nine to sixty.
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  Speaker 2: What is your problem? Dirty sodas Man? What we are
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  Speaker 2: now known for. This we could be No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: This is something we want to be known for.
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  Speaker 4: And that's why I mean, well, let's come up with
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  Speaker 4: something a little bit better than.
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  Speaker 2: To lean into the skiing industry one more time.
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  Speaker 4: When you have a minor league affiliate that is the
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  Speaker 4: Rocket City trash pandas like, you have to come up
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  Speaker 4: with something better than the dirty sodas. But that's exactly
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  Speaker 4: why the Delay affiliate is the Rocket City trash pandits
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  Speaker 4: for the salt like bees. You can come up with
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  Speaker 4: something better than the dirty soda.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's so incredibly unique nobody else can claim it.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody else even knows what it means. That's that's half
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  Speaker 3: the problem. I mean, minor league baseball has some really
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  Speaker 3: there's like the yard poodles, there's all a there's.
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  Speaker 2: A bunch of some good ones. There's some really really
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  Speaker 2: good ones.
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  Speaker 3: And they do the Spanish language one, the Copa de
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  Speaker 3: di version they do like this is perfect, and you
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  Speaker 3: guys are not being cool about it, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: like it one bit.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not in. You can count me out on the
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  Speaker 2: dirty sodas.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you a dirty Sodas T shirt and
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna act real offended if you don't wear it.
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  Speaker 3: All right, he still won't wear it. Same goes for you, James.
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you the like game worn jersey signed
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  Speaker 3: by every Salt Lake Bees Dirty Soda player.
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  Speaker 5: Try to auction that off to I just get a
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  Speaker 5: dirty Doctor pepper or something.
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  Speaker 4: So is this just a ploy to get us to
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  Speaker 4: drive an hour out to the new stadium to watch
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  Speaker 4: the baseball game.
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  Speaker 3: Well, the problem is there's there's like sixteen hundred Dirty
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  Speaker 3: Soda shops between where we're sitting right now and the
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  Speaker 3: actual Dirty SODA's game on a Wednesday night. So if
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  Speaker 3: you're only in it for the Dirty Sodas, you don't have.
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  Speaker 2: To go all the way out there. Yeah, that's a
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  Speaker 2: good point. You save a lot of gas that way.
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  Speaker 3: Really, I'm really disappointed in everyone's reaction to this. I'm
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to put it up on a Twitter poll.
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's get into this UVU lawsuit, all right,
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  Speaker 3: So lay it out for those who are not one
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent versed.
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  Speaker 2: And I might be among those who are not on
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  Speaker 2: dred percent verse, but there's a lot going on here.
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  Speaker 4: So this all stemmed from an issue of Utah Valley
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  Speaker 4: deciding to leave the Western Athletic Conference to go the
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  Speaker 4: Big West Conference effective July first, twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: So they're fighting over exit feest.
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  Speaker 4: The West Athletic Conference says Utah Valley University US a
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  Speaker 4: million dollars for an exit fee. UV said, yeap, sorry,
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  Speaker 4: we're not paying that. That was put into a Terrant County,
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  Speaker 4: Texas court in a lawsuit about a couple weeks ago.
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  Speaker 4: That's the first case that was filed in all of this.
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  Speaker 4: The whack essentially saying US million dollars you haven't paid.
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  Speaker 4: Oh and by the way, we're gonna take you off
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  Speaker 4: of ESPN plus, we're gonna take you out of postseason play,
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  Speaker 4: and you will not be mentioned in any of the
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  Speaker 4: Western Athletic Conference media at all, meaning social media anything,
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  Speaker 4: preseason awards, postseason awards, all of it. So that's all ongoing. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 4: Utah Valley has decided, okay, we understand that there's a
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  Speaker 4: lawsuit going on in Arrant County, Texas. Their lawyers have said,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna change this to a Utah case. They filed
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  Speaker 4: their own verified complaint, which is a lawsuit.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a countersuit.
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  Speaker 4: It's technically a verified complaint here in the State of
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  Speaker 4: Utah and Utah's Fourth District Court, along with a motion
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  Speaker 4: for a temporary restraining order and a preliminary injunction. The
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  Speaker 4: reason why they need both is because the temporary restraining
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  Speaker 4: order would only last fourteen days.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so not long enough to like get you into
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  Speaker 3: NAA turner.
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  Speaker 4: That is exactly correct. The reason they're they wanted to
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  Speaker 4: get into in front of a judge yesterday, which is
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  Speaker 4: what they were able to do here in Utah, is
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  Speaker 4: because the track and indoor Track and Field Championships are
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  Speaker 4: coming up this weekend and they need to submit those
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  Speaker 4: names by yesterday in order for them.
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  Speaker 2: To be eligible.
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  Speaker 4: So they got They had the hearing for the temporary
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  Speaker 4: restraining order here in the state of Utah yesterday. The
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  Speaker 4: judge said, I'm not going to roll on this today.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna wait till tomorrow to issue a written result.
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  Speaker 4: We don't have an answer to this right now.
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  Speaker 2: Judge on bankers hours, Okay, that's how we do things. Fine.
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  Speaker 4: Part of that was because they had filed a motion
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  Speaker 4: for an emergency hearing. All of this information was submitted
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  Speaker 4: to the court on the nineteenth. They asked to get
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  Speaker 4: in front of a judge by the twenty third. That's
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  Speaker 4: a fast turnaround, so she needs time to go through
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  Speaker 4: all of this and whatnot.
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  Speaker 2: So in order to.
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  Speaker 4: Get the temporary restraining order, there's certain things that Utah
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  Speaker 4: Valley has to prove. They have to prove that there's
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  Speaker 4: irreparable harm if the TRO is not issued. You also
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  Speaker 4: must show that the irreparable harm outweighs any harm that
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  Speaker 4: would be caused by issuing the TRO, that the TRO
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  Speaker 4: would not be against public interest, and also that you
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  Speaker 4: are very likely to win your underlying case. And your
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  Speaker 4: underlying case is this fight between whether you should have
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  Speaker 4: to pay the million dollar exit fee or not. Sean,
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  Speaker 4: there was over a thousand documents submitted to two different courts,
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  Speaker 4: and I read through about ten of them myself. Was
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  Speaker 4: able to publicly get those documents. I've been tweeting about
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  Speaker 4: it for the last three weeks on my Twitter account.
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  Speaker 4: I've written an article about it. I don't know everything,
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  Speaker 4: but I feel like I know a lot of what's
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  Speaker 4: going on here. I don't know how specific you want
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  Speaker 4: me to get into all of.
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  Speaker 3: Well, look I mean, we'll stay pretty surface level, I suppose.
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  Speaker 3: But it's a million dollars, which is not an insignificant
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  Speaker 3: amount of money. But we see tens of millions thrown
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  Speaker 3: around by athletic departments and universities seemingly with the most
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  Speaker 3: casual attitude. Yes, why is this fight so important to
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  Speaker 3: I guess both sides.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest part for Utah Valley University is the football conversation.
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  Speaker 4: They don't have football at Utah Valley University. A million
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  Speaker 4: dollars is a lot of money to Utah Valley because
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  Speaker 4: they don't have a football team. When you only have basketball,
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  Speaker 4: your buy games that you're playing are like sixty thousand
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  Speaker 4: dollars eighty thousand dollars at most. You don't go to
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  Speaker 4: BYU and play a football game where you can easily
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  Speaker 4: get one point five in a buy game in a
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  Speaker 4: football game, sure be able to pay all that off.
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  Speaker 4: That's just not happening. A million dollars is a lot
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  Speaker 4: to Utah Valley University. They also, by the way, twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty six, they have to pay one point five million
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  Speaker 4: to get into the Big West. This money's just not
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  Speaker 4: growing on trees anyway, So they're saying, there's a whole
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  Speaker 4: lot to this, But they're saying, listen, not only did
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  Speaker 4: the Whack, this is their claim allegedly not pay them
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  Speaker 4: their due at the beginning of the school academic year,
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  Speaker 4: which is to have conference payouts of one point three
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  Speaker 4: million dollars plus. They didn't get those payouts, so they're
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  Speaker 4: being starved of that money. They're also saying, we're not
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  Speaker 4: paying you the one million dollar exifee.
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  Speaker 3: So the Whack is saying, you're exiting. We don't like
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  Speaker 3: that you're exiting. We're gonna charge you an exit fee.
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  Speaker 3: We're also going to charge you this exifee without giving
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  Speaker 3: you your distribution.
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  Speaker 2: For being a member of the conference this year. That
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  Speaker 2: is correct.
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  Speaker 4: No, it goes deeper because in twenty twenty four, when
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  Speaker 4: all of the Whack was falling apart because of conference
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  Speaker 4: re alignment, there was a letter signed by the remaining institutions.
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  Speaker 4: There's about six or there's seven institutions. Eight people signed
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  Speaker 4: that document saying that if you stick around for two
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  Speaker 4: years in the Western I thought of conference until twenty
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  Speaker 4: twenty six, which is what claims that they're doing because
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  Speaker 4: they're not leaving until July first, that they will not
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  Speaker 4: only get their share of a payment of five point
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  Speaker 4: six million dollars that should be split to all the
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  Speaker 4: remaining conference members, they should have an orderly planned exit
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  Speaker 4: with reduced fees. Because that document that was signed is
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  Speaker 4: at the basis of this fight where it was quote
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  Speaker 4: unquote an amendment to the conference bylaws that kept all
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  Speaker 4: of those members together, and there's a lot of shenanigans
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  Speaker 4: that happened behind the scenes to vote to rescind that
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  Speaker 4: letter after Utah Valley got.
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  Speaker 2: An offer to the Big West Conference. It's really interesting.
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  Speaker 3: It feels and I think this is one of Utah
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  Speaker 3: Valley's assertions, it feels like they're not being treated the
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  Speaker 3: same way as other teams exiting the conference have been treated.
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  Speaker 4: There is a little bit of that too. This gets
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  Speaker 4: into the real weeds of all. The Western Athletic Conference
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  Speaker 4: has created a consortium with the Atlantic Sun Conference, the
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  Speaker 4: a SUN which is now the United Athletic Conference or
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  Speaker 4: the Consortium. Utah Valley claims that there was a conspiracy
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  Speaker 4: behind the scenes to create that consortium and push the
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  Speaker 4: Utah schools out and the reason why UV used getting
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  Speaker 4: targeted by this. But Utah Tech and Southern Utah are
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  Speaker 4: really quiet about it, and in fact haven't been talked
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  Speaker 4: about at all. Why are they not having to pay
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  Speaker 4: buyout fees? What's going on there? Did they receive payments
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  Speaker 4: from the conference? They're still on TV, Sean, their games
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  Speaker 4: are still being showed on.
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  Speaker 3: TV, so as far as we know, they're not being
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  Speaker 3: punished at all. Exactly, we're leaving the same conference at
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  Speaker 3: Utah Valleys leaving.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, they are headed to the Big Sky on the
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  Speaker 4: same day that Utah Valley is headed to the Big West.
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  Speaker 4: That's what all of this is about. And there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of back and forth. I think all of this
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  Speaker 4: has come down to pettiness, Sean.
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  Speaker 3: Is it because the whack views the Big Web as
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  Speaker 3: a competitor but views the Big Sky as beneath them?
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  Speaker 4: I don't, and I don't know the motives behind all
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  Speaker 4: of this. I don't know. I'm not one hundred percent
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  Speaker 4: sure why they would say, Hey, you know, Utah Tech SUU.
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  Speaker 4: If you guys just go away, we won't have a problem.
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  Speaker 4: But Utah Valley, I think they feel like similar to
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  Speaker 4: the PAC twelve's dissolvement where people blame USC and CLA.
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  Speaker 4: Similar to that, they want I think there's a desire
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  Speaker 4: to blame somebody for the Whack falling apart, and.
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  Speaker 3: I think they want that they want UVU to be
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  Speaker 3: the team that falls on that sword.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, they want they want to blame it seems allegedly UVU,
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  Speaker 4: and that's what UVU is claiming in this lawsuit against
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  Speaker 4: the Whack. Odd very strange and it's a bunch of
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  Speaker 4: adults that are in the room going at each other.
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  Speaker 4: Where at you know, the forefront of all of this,
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  Speaker 4: the kids who have an opportunity, the best opportunity since
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  Speaker 4: Grant Canyon left the league to make the NCAA tournament
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  Speaker 4: for the very first time, not just the basketball team,
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  Speaker 4: but also you've got the indoor track and Field Championships
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  Speaker 4: coming up this weekend. You've got who, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: you know, potential Olympians that are on that team that
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  Speaker 4: aren't going to be able to be in the NCAA regionals.
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  Speaker 4: You've got baseball who made a regional last year and
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  Speaker 4: beat Oregon, who got every great player in the transfer
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  Speaker 4: portal and is even better this year. There's a lot
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  Speaker 4: of people that are involved in this that you know,
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  Speaker 4: behind the scenes, are affected by this.
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  Speaker 3: In the big West, will they be full participation members.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what the revenue distributions of a Big
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  Speaker 3: West conference look like, but is UVU facing an uphill
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  Speaker 3: battle in like getting to full shares in the Big West.
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  Speaker 4: As far as I know, they will become a full
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: member effective July first, twenty twenty six. Yeah, it's there's
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: no Sacramento State shenanigans that are happening with this one.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you if you wonder what he's referencing.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: Their Sacramento State has decided that they're going to buy
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: their way into Division one football.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: And forgo their TV money, just like SMU did in
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: the ACC the.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: Pay team million dollars and saying you don't have to
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: pay us anything, Yes, just so they can be a
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: D one team. Which, look, I understand why you want
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: to be a D one team, but the reason you
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: want to be a D one team is because it's
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: supposed to help you out athletically. Maybe, maybe, maybe Shaquille
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: O'Neill has written a fat check that none of us
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: know about to Sacramento State because his son is there
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: as a member of the basketball team. Yeah, and maybe
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: Shaq is just like I got you don't worry about it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: I'm giving you all my job pajuice money. It feels unlikely,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: but I otherwise I don't know how it makes any
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: financial sense for Sack State.
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people and the outside firm that
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: they hired to come in and do the feasibility report
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: for Sacramento State is now backtracking after they've seen all
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: of this news, saying, ah, no, they are embellishing what
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: we told them in terms of the numbers that they're
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: going to bring in.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Because nobody else, because nobody else will hire you if
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: you're like the firm that advised Sacramento State.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: To make this move.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean there's a lot of there's a
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: lot of things up in the air with money and
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: alignment and sourcing your revenue, and UTAH has been at
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: the forefront of that with this private equity deal, and
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Sacramento State is being laughed at for what they're doing.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: But smarter people than I are usually the ones making
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: these decisions. So how likely is it that indoor track
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and field basketball the teams that are more immediately affected
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: by a decision making process or the lack of a
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: decision being made.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: How likely is it that they're going to be left
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: in the alert.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: All right, to be completely transparent and open. This is
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: the first time I've ever been to court, so I
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: don't have a lot of experience.
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: It's probably not true, by the way, as far as
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: everybody say that, he has to say that because he's
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: got family members listening right now.
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: No, I signed an NDA, but this is a career
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: criminal sitting across the desk from me.
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: Okay, so, as far as I know, And maybe it's
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: because Utah Valley has the burden of proof to prove
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: their case in this, because they're the ones that filed
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: the motion for.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: A temporary restraining order.
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: As far as I know, in that case, in that
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: hearing yesterday, it seemed like the Western I thought of
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: conference lawyers were making better points now they only had
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: thirty minutes each to really share their points. And like
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: I said, thousands of documents that were submitted to support
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: their cases. Afterwards, there's going to be things that are
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: missed in your arguments. What it comes down to, I
• 19:57
  Speaker 4: think that the burden of proof here in the temporary
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: restraining order specifically is low enough that Utah Valley very
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: well could get a temporary restraining order granted today, which
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: means they would push forward to another hearing on Friday
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: for a preliminary injunction. That one is a higher burden
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: of proof because it's more of a it's more of
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: a concrete ruling, like more of a long term Hey,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: this is going to be in place until the litigation
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: gets figured out.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: All right, Well, good luck to UVU. Whack quick being
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: boring and mean and problematic. It's a million bucks. You
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: don't need it from Utah Valley University.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: All right? Does the Big West have wrestling?
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: By the way, the Big West, I don't think they
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: do have wrestling.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: I asked that question because UVU is the last university
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: in our state to have a wrestling program. Pretty good one. Yes,
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: had some really good individual performers. I've had some moderate
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: team success, and I wondered if wrestling would be able
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: to go to be part of the conference that the
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: rest of the athletic teams are sounds like no.
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: Well, the good news is that the wrestling team is
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: completely unaffected by all of this because they wrestle in
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: the Big Twelve Conference, right, so they they are going
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: to stay put because the Big Twelve Conference is where
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: they want to be. That's one of the best wrestling
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: conferences in the entire country. James did some research for us.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: The Big West does not have wrestling, so and you
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: wouldn't want to go down the ladder, Yeah, to wrestle
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: in the Big West if you didn't have to, So
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: all right, shout out to Ben Care.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, shout out Ben Care. Go see the movie. Yeah.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: And by the way, UV Wrestling just toasted Nebraska. There's
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: over six thousand people that showed up in the UCCU Center.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: It's big. It's a big time deal down there. That's
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: pretty awesome.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: I put out a poll, by the way, are you
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: in or out on the Salt Lake Bees, dirty Soda
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: alternate branding? So far, we're just starting this thing out.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: Less than fifty votes so far, but sixty four and
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: a half percent are also ner dowells who don't enjoy
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: fun like yourselves. Sixty four and a half percent of
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: you are out on dirty soda alternate branding. Shout out
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to everybody out there. I can't I'm blown away by this.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I thought we'd be leaning in as a culture to
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: the things that there's got to.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Be something better. We can we all can come up
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: with together. Give it to me. You're gonna have to
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: give me some time. No, No, I'm not giving you time. James.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Don't be the judge from whatever district court is.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't need time. You're not the judge who's
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: just like I got a golf game. I gotta get
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: to the Utah inversions.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, great, the inversions instead of the dirty sound. It
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: is just the dirty air, dirty air, the Utah dirty air,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: the Utah pollutions.
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: James, do you got something for me? The formerly great
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: Salt lakes?
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, the shrinking salt lakes.
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: Wow, you're gonna you're gonna give us a day to
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: This was all very rush. Yes, we need a day
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: to come up with some Well, look, I'm very much
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: this way. If you want the coach fired, you better
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: know who you're gonna hire behind him.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: A good point, right.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: If you don't want it to be the dirty sodas,
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you want to steal trash pandas you can't.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Well they are the double A affiliate of the same.
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I guess you could do that then, because like the
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: Chicago Hubs, Triple A team is the Iowa Cubs. Also,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: you can't well, there's not enough raccoons here doesn't make sense.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: But you could come up with something equally as cool
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: and unique.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know that you could. The Brian shrimp. That's
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: the only opportunity to see Brian shrimp.
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: See now we're starting. They could be pink jerseys. You
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: could have some cool thing here.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: Dirty soda also could be pay jerseys. They could be
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: any color that is true. The salty air salt air,
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: that's not bad. I like the dirty cell. Alternate branding
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: for the.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Record, the trash birds.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: How about something like really long and you definitely have
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: to explain.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: Anyway. Thanks for coming in joining us on the show.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, every once in a while you will hear Bryce
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: and bi a Ucci filling in on the Sean O'Connell show.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: I got some I got some PFL obligations that are
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: going to start up again soon, so they'll be doing
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: a little bit of filling on some of those days
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: up next. The UFL, not the NFL, not the AFL.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: The UFL has some alternate rules that they're putting into
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: place this year. I like this because it's a testing ground,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: much like Triple A Baseball is for Major League Baseball.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I feel like the UFL is tweaking some football rules
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: that might actually help us improve college football the NFL game.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: We'll go through actually all the examples of the rules
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: they are changing, and we'll decide which one would fit
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: into the real game best. That's next on The Shout
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: O'Connell Show and Tom Cowhan. It's ESPN seven hundred ninety
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: two ONEFM.