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From Division to Understanding: Writing Stories That Change the World · Terri Messenger's Genius Zone

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  What is the message that you're trying to convey to your
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  readers? I think it's really important to
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  have the readers in mind when you are writing and also when
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  you are developing your opinions or values.
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  You're not alone in the world, you're not an island, so you
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  really need to to take it all in.
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  And yeah, I think when people are stuck in stories or in their
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  lives, they really need to take the time to sit down and think
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  through before they start to writing or, or start to tell
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  people what to do on the Internet.
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  I think they should sit down and, and really take it in.
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  And I, I wanted to touch back on something you said before about
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  the world and how the world's leaders maybe need some
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  perspective. I think one of the great things
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  about writing a book is you have a protagonist, the main
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  character that you follow, but you also have a conflict and you
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  see you try to see the things from the the antagonist, the
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  person that or the thing that is against you.
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  So you learn both perspectives. And I think that is we like that
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  in the world, right? People only see it from their
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  own side. But when you're writing, you
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  need both perspectives, and people learn that from.
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  Writing, I wonder what it would be like if, you know, all our
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  main political leaders did do according to what you're
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  passionate about and came into this understanding and this
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  empathy and, you know, really knowing what the other party is
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  all about and just having that whole wisdom.
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  Do you believe that that would help heal?
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  And if so, would it helping heal people's consciousness of what's
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  going on? Would that help us to move
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  forward? Hey, and welcome to this week's
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  Genius Zone, and we have a very relevant conversation happening
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  here. You're not going to want to miss
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  it. It's probably based on how the
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  world could be a better place if people listen to each other.
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  Maybe wars would even be able to stop if people could understand
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  what we are going to share. So I am going to introduce a
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  woman who understands the concept of reading and writing
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  and how understanding and having the knowledge of other people,
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  their cultures and those wisdoms could change the world.
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  Hello, How are you, Anne? Hello, Terry.
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  I'm very well. Thank you.
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  That is so good and I'm really so grateful to have you here on
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  the show. I think in a time of crisis
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  where we our world is just very in in absolute disarray.
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  And if you could like objectively look at even from
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  where it's standing with some of our readers.
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  So you mentioned to me backstage about sometimes the more
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  intelligent a person is, the less likely they are to listen
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  and to be flexible outside their own intelligence.
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  What do you see as being the big issue there?
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  Is that just sheer arrogance or is it ignorance or or what's
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  going on in that field? I'm not sure it's ignorance.
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  I think they actually, some of them at least are intending to,
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  to listen to everybody. But I just think people are so
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  involved in everything going on that they don't really sit down
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  and think about what they're saying.
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  They're just they have decided something and then they're just
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  going for that and not taking the time to really evolve the
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  idea and listen to other people and taking other perspectives
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  in. So I don't think it's ignorance
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  as such. It's more they don't give it the
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  time that it needs. We get information everywhere
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  from everywhere now, all the time, so it's very difficult to
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  stay in your own mind and evolve the ideas and the values you
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  have. So what would you say to a
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  person? Obviously you're a great
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  believer in reading and writing, and you did talk about the
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  concept of reading a variation of different genres and
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  understanding different cultures.
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  What do you believe that's going to bring to the table for people
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  when they, if people listen to your passion and decided to
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  start picking up books, enjoying that?
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  Yeah. So I think when you're picking
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  up a book, you're really entering someone else's world,
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  their perspectives, their culture.
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  So I think that's what's important, that you really give
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  others a chance to enter your mind and reframe what you think.
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  And I think books are great way to do that because it takes
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  time. It makes you sit down and take
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  time. No reading, I don't know a
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  million comments on Facebook or anything.
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  You really sit down with a book and take it in.
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  Yeah, yeah, I understand in the world of neurolinguistic
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  programming there there is this strategy where people, because
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  conflict is a huge thing. And of course conflict is about
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  really what's going on in the world.
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  And what you're talking about in understanding and listening and
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  those elements and in the one technique that we are trained to
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  understand is to look at the other person and where they're
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  actually coming from. Because there's a presupposition
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  in that everybody is always coming from the greatest
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  intention. So then why are we allowing
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  ourselves to just fall apart at the seams?
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  I can totally understand where you're coming from when you say
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  read books, understand people's culture, because a person like
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  myself would definitely highly recommend that.
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  The more you get to know about what's going on with the other
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  person, obviously the more knowledge that you're going to
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  have. Now you are also really focused
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  in. That's your why, That's your
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  thought leadership. You really believe and it makes,
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  I believe on the genius zone. Anything that makes someone
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  angry enough or sad enough about what's going on behind their
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  passion is the driver. So now that we know that is the
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  driver, we can now point it at authors and people that are
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  really wanting to get their books up and running.
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  And you talk about one of the biggest things that happen is
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  people getting stuck. Now what are some of the culprit
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  for this writer's block? People getting stuck because
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  whether it is on paper or in their life, I feel that the
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  relevance can be looked at from both spectrums.
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  Anyway, So what? What causes people to get stuck?
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  Yeah. So when they get stuck in the
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  story, it's normally because they haven't really thought it
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  through. So they are writing themselves,
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  we call it writing themselves into a corner, right, So they
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  can't really see their way out. So what I really recommend is
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  that before you start writing is that you sit down with a story
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  and really think about why you want to write it, what you want
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  to the readers to get out of it. And yeah, doing a lot of behind
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  the scenes work before you really sit down and write.
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  Another thing people get stuck on is just not sitting down and
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  writing. They are researching stuff and
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  they are worried that they're not doing it correctly or not
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  writing correctly. But you don't learn to write
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  unless you write. So it's really important for
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  people to to keep writing and to sit down and do the work.
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  So that's the two things I see. I mainly see with people when
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  they're stuck, either they are know the story properly so they
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  are writing themselves into corners, or they are over
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  researching over trying to qualify themselves as writers
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  before they write and well, that's.
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  Really. That's brilliant because I can
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  see myself in that. You write yourself into a
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  corner. I think we think ourself into a
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  corner too, isn't it? So that's where I know it's
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  relevant for people no matter what way they're looking at it,
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  because writing is very powerful.
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  And I know that I always encourage people to write things
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  down. If they can't sleep at night,
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  even, I'll get them to write things down.
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  And people sometimes don't think about why they're doing what
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  they're doing and what the outcome is.
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  And I think this is the real magic in what you're going to
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  share with us. Then I know toward the end
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  you're going to really share a, a wide technique to really get
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  people who are looking to write, who are looking to write a book,
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  and even people who want to be able to rewrite their own life
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  story. They're going to find these
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  questions absolutely amazing. How has your background in human
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  biology, because you've got a PhD there, influenced your
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  approach to storytelling? Yeah.
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  So mainly maybe not the topic human biology, but more working
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  in that environment. So when I've been part of
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  research group for many years and you really learn a lot about
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  people because you have young people coming in, just finished
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  education, you have older researchers that are very
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  confident in their field and that's that sometimes creates
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  some conflicts and how that solves just observing people.
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  And of course it's a very high competitive environment.
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  So it really takes things to the next level sometimes.
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  That's amazing. You believe everybody's got a
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  book inside them though. Yeah.
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  You also have a belief that when there is a book inside and you
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  can learn how to write and just do it, even if it's not
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  deliberately to become a famous author, that's also very
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  empowering. Can you explain what that does
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  around patterns and just the way that that can really unpack a
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  person's life and get them to really reflect on where they are
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  and what they want and how they can move forward?
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  Yeah, sure. So writing a book is really a
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  deep conversation with yourself. So you have the opportunity to
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  reframe how you feel about things and yeah, dive deep into
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  topics that interest you. And the reason I think everybody
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  has a book in it. I think everybody, everybody
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  needs to evolve. And I think this is the a really
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  good tool to do that because you're really, when you are
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  writing also to communicate something to others, you're
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  really going deep because you want it to be good, right?
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  You don't want to come off as not doing your job.
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  So people are really diving deep into the topics, really diving
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  deep into the feelings. And yeah, so I, I think that's
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  why. And when you are doing that,
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  you're not running away from those issues anymore either,
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  because everything provokes a feeling and an emotion, whether
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  it be a great situation or a really negative situation.
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  And the problem is people run away from their problems.
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  That's the biggest problem. And yet what you've just spoken
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  about is it's about embodying and what is so important about
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  that story. And obviously you are very big
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  on moving from opinion to understanding.
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  And what's what do you think is the key secret between moving
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  from opinion to understanding? I think people need to be open
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  most of all and curious. I think it's very important to
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  be a curious about the stories, but also about each other.
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  The thing about just having an opinion and trying to force that
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  on others is, yeah, I don't think you like people when you
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  do that. If you love people, you want
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  them to communicate with you, not just throwing an opinion at
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  them. So I think the openness and
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  curiosity and also make it easy. Take it as a play thing, right?
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  Because it's it doesn't. If you are sad and angry when
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  you sit down to write you, you're also closed off.
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  So I really think the openness is important, being open to the
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  world, but the people's opinion. This is a great personal
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  development strategy right here, and it serves as a great method
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  of helping people to put pen to paper and even become an author.
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  So writing is something that you also believe in, that is a tool
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  for empathy and change. What do you believe?
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  Like in our world today, if there was empathy, what kind of
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  change could we expect? I think people would then begin
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  to listen to each other. I think that's the biggest
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  problem today, that people has an opinion and they are talking
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  from that perspective all the time instead of leaning back and
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  also listening to other people and trying to evolve from that.
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  Because things are going so fast in the world today.
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  It's I think a lot of people has a hard time sitting down,
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  meditating, writing, or anything that makes them think about what
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  they're really feeling. So we're just going one thing to
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  another instead of sitting down and really taking it in and
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  seeing what does this mean for me and my values and what do I
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  really believe in now? And if our world leaders could
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  look at, even if there was that, there was that opposition, that
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  is the enemy and even the devil, if they could see it from their
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  point of view, I believe that empathy would really create
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  change as well, because everybody's always coming from
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  the highest intention. So what is the reason that these
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  people are fighting for their country?
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  What is it that they truly want? My husband used to have this
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  really crude saying, which was when you're up to your ass in
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  crocodiles, it's hard to remember the reason you actually
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  came to drain the swamp. And I can't help thinking that
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  in a world of drowning issues, do we even know why we are
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  wanting to drain the swamp? Do our political leaders
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  recognize why are we really doing what we're doing, but why
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  are they doing what they're doing as well?
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  And that's where I feel that identifying the emotional truth
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  as you so much advocate for, is such a huge element.
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  So one of the things that you're going to be doing is you're
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  going to be taking us through a white process.
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  And I know that this white process is going to help a lot
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  of people move to where they are stuck, or even whether it's
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  stuck in a story or stuck in their life, to where they
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  actually want to go. What do you believe is the
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  biggest reason that people get stuck when they're writing?
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  You did touch on this before, but is it because they don't
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  know where they're going? Are they losing sight of what
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  they're trying to, what their message is?
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  What is the purpose? And what can they do different
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  so that they don't? Because sometimes just getting
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  up and walking away from something can be very powerful.
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  Yeah, yes, I think a lot of authors or just people in
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  general are getting stuck because they don't think their
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  thoughts true. So what I really recommend for
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  authors is that before they even sit down to write the story, or
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  if they get stuck then go back, is to really think it through
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  while writing this. What is the message that you're
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  trying to convey to your readers?
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  I think it's really important to have the readers in mind when
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  you are writing and also when you are developing your opinions
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  or values. You're not alone in the world,
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  you're not an island, so you really need to take it all in.
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  And yeah, I think when people are stuck in stories or in their
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  lives, they really need to take the time to sit down and through
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  before they start to writing or start to tell people what to do
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  on the Internet. I think they should and really
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  take it in. And I wanted to touch back on
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  something you said before about the world and how the world's
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  leaders maybe need some perspective.
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  I think one of the great things about writing a book is you have
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  a protagonist, the main character that you follow, but
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  you also have a conflict and you try to see the things from the
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  antagonist, the person that or the thing that is against you.
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  So you learn both perspectives. And I think that is we lack that
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  in the world, right? People only see it from their
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  own side. But when you're writing, you
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  need both perspectives, and people learn that from writing.
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  I wonder what it would be like if all our main political
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  leaders did do according to what you're passionate about and came
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  into this understanding and this empathy and really knowing what
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  the other party is all about and just having that whole wisdom.
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  Do you believe that would help heal?
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  And if so, would it helping heal people's consciousness of what's
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  going on? Would that help us to move
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  forward? I really believe so, yes.
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  I think it's, I think we really need that in the world today
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  that people are knowledgeable about other people's cultures
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  and perspectives. And also recognizing that you're
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  always coming from your own lens because you're you are formed by
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  what you have experienced. So if you really want to put
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  yourself in someone else's shoes, you have to you have to
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  research, you have to dive deep and try to live in that
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  perspective. And I think a lot of people
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  don't do that. They're just coming from their
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  own perspective and talking to people that believe the same as
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  they do instead of trying to interact with people that are
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  not like them and then evolve from that.
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  I think this is very important today.
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  I think we have very corners right now.
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  People are in in their corner and not moving out, not opening
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  up to everybody else. So people are sabotaging
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  themselves and even our political leaders pushing
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  themselves into their own corner.
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  So what does it mean to learn the story before writing it or
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  before executing it? Yeah.
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  So we are going to come back to this, but a big part of it is
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  knowing your why. So knowing why you are telling
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  the story, why it's important for you and why now is the time
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  that you're sitting down to write it.
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  But also learning some things about what is your message, what
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  is the theme that you want to dive into and also exploring the
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  fears you have about it. Because I believe the fiction
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  writing is also development of yourself.
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  You learn to believe in yourself when you put it down on paper
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  and move past the obstacles that will come.
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  There will be obstacles. It's not easy to write a book.
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  So yeah, I think it's a lot about thinking things through
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  and sitting down with yourself and really letting yourself, I
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  don't know, cook. I love what you're saying and
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  I'm sure that books have healed your life.
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  And I know I'm currently speaking to a gentleman who has
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  written many books himself and they are all based on his
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  passion and the different topics that he has moved through.
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  But what that's done for him is it's healed his life.
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  Because when you can teach on something, preach on something,
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  learn about something that you are really passionate about,
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  that's when you know the healing really evolves at the next
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  level. I know that this is what the
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  Genius Zone is all about. It's about taking people's
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  message, turning their pain into their power.
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  And I know that we're going to go through a very exciting
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  process very shortly where you're going to take us through
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  that why process. But what advice would you give
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  someone who feels they have a story inside them but doesn't
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  know how to organize it? Now I'm just going to give you a
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  bit of a tangible kind of a metaphor by myself.
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  I have a lot of knowledge around the work that I do.
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  So I've been navigating my business, my coaching practice,
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  and I've gone through many modalities.
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  I teach them. And as far as transforming
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  people's lives, that's my genius zone, but where I fall down and
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  I don't like using that. But word is that when it comes
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  to putting things onto paper, it's organizing my knowledge.
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  It's putting that process into the right kind of order, if that
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  makes any sense, so that we can do certain things in a certain
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  way. What would you say to someone
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  like me that has a story inside them but doesn't have that kind
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  of organized knowledge as well as they could?
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  So there's a lot of tools out there to help both writing
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  fiction and non fiction. I don't know exactly what you
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  are getting here. Are you thinking non fiction or
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  fiction? Yeah, I write a lot of the
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  modalities and I will write a lot of Yeah, my own.
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  One of the books that I started writing that I've not published
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  is a story based on my own life, my own transformation, and then
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  moving into coaching. And many of the clients that I
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  met and the things battled with the struggles that they met.
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  And I guess there's so much, but it's almost, if you throw it at
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  the wall, it's like throwing a whole plate of spaghetti at the
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  wall. So where do you start?
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  Yeah, so I I see where you're coming from.
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  And I think I always recommend people to have a kind of idea
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  bank where they write all they want.
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  So they brainstorm, they put everything down.
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  But when you're sitting down to write it specific book, you
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  really need to think about the message, the why behind the book
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  and focus. Because it's difficult for
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  people to write. If you're writing in all
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  directions, nobody will get what you're really trying to say.
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  So it's very important to be clear what is that I want the
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  reader to get out of it. When they said book afterward,
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  what will they think? What will they, What will change
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  in them? Because writing a book is a lot
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  about trying to transform the reader.
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  Yeah, 100%. And on that note, I guess that
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  would give me the understanding that what you're saying is look
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  at what is the end goal. So maybe for the book, what's
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  the end goal? What is that person going to
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  get? And that's the same with a life
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  situation. A person wants something,
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  they're struggling, they're stuck.
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  What is it that you want as the outcome?
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  Bringing it to a book. Then I wonder how many people,
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  because sometimes I can be guilty of just writing and
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  letting it all come out and not really knowing where I'm going,
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  but having some gold Nuggets along the way, if that makes
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  sense. And yet I wonder if you came
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  back and said, OK, what am I going to write about and what do
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  I want to get at the end of this chapter?
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  Do you think that helps? Like when they're writing, do
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  you believe in letting it flow? Do you believe in getting them
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  to sit down and just start articulating?
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  Or do you think they do need to ask themselves those good
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  questions first? So I think you need to ask the
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  question beforehand. You can of course, you can just
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  sit down and let it flow, but I think you'll then experience
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  that it needs a lot of editing afterwards.
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  Of course it needs editing whether you have a plan or not,
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  but it just make it easier. And also if you're a first time
• 25:41
  writer or you haven't written that much, it can be difficult
• 25:44
  to come back to the page if you then get stuck.
• 25:47
  But if you have thought through all the things before you start
• 25:51
  writing, then you can go back to that document and say, oh, This
• 25:54
  is why I need to go this direction and this is the next
• 25:58
  step on the journey. You can't do that if you're just
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  taking out of the blue. I also believe a lot of people
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  who call themselves discovery writers, so writers that just
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  sit down and write, they have a lot of thought processes.
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  They just don't write it down beforehand.
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  But I find, at least with first time authors, I think it's a
• 26:17
  good idea to write it down because, yeah, your mind is
• 26:20
  crazy, right? It's going on all directions.
• 26:23
  There's so there's so much stuff.
• 26:25
  Where do you start? Where do you finish?
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  I tend to sometimes encapsulate the whole thing because that's
• 26:34
  how my brain works. So sometimes that can be
• 26:37
  overwhelming when you can only do one thing at a time.
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  So when I find myself pulling back and going, hang on a
• 26:44
  minute, you can't eat the elephant all at once, so let's
• 26:48
  just take one bite at a time. That can be extremely liberating
• 26:54
  for a person like myself. But I'm going to go way out on a
• 26:58
  limb here and I'm going to throw this one at you because you may
• 27:02
  or may have not have an opinion on it.
• 27:05
  And there's a lot of hype about AI.
• 27:06
  I personally believe that when you use AI in the right way, not
• 27:13
  to steal information or to pretend that you're something
• 27:18
  that you're not, but say for someone like myself.
• 27:21
  So I have a lot of knowledge around, you know, what I do.
• 27:26
  So if I was to feed that into AI, for example, and just speak
• 27:32
  it in there and then ask AI to organize it, what's your
• 27:38
  thoughts on that? Could that cut a Long story
• 27:40
  short? I think that depends on what
• 27:44
  you're trying to do with the work.
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  So from a fiction perspective, and from the perspective that I
• 27:51
  want people to evolve, I think it's important that the first
• 27:54
  draft comes from them so they sit down and write.
• 27:57
  They can use AI for brainstorming or getting them
• 28:01
  out of the situation if they need that.
• 28:03
  But I think the at least in fiction, asking the AI to write
• 28:09
  the story is not really what I'm about.
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  But I don't mind an AI and I think it has a place in the
• 28:15
  editing process for sure. Yes.
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  And I understand, yeah, I agree with that.
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  It's got to be respectfully, not to take over and, but I think.
• 28:28
  In a nonfiction, if you have a lot of ideas and you don't know
• 28:31
  how to focus, you can use the AI for sure to get it organized.
• 28:36
  But I still think that you really have to take ownership of
• 28:40
  the process because it really matters what you want the reader
• 28:44
  to get out of it. And I don't think AI has has the
• 28:47
  empathy to really understand that.
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  Isn't it? I guess it's a robot, so it
• 28:55
  doesn't have the empathy side of it.
• 28:58
  So that's where it needs to come from the person we want to
• 29:01
  really make this compelling and really reach that person in this
• 29:05
  kind of way. So I love this.
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  So we're going to move now to the the process technique.
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  And I just want to say for anyone who is really, really
• 29:15
  wanting to get their story down on paper, if you are stuck, if
• 29:21
  you are wanting to become an author, because I know that in
• 29:24
  the community that I come from, when you can organize your
• 29:29
  knowledge. I my father is, I won't say how
• 29:32
  old he is, but let's just say he's of very many years.
• 29:36
  And he used to be a real estate agent and he was very committed
• 29:41
  to that. Now, had he had written down his
• 29:45
  book around that, that would have been a legacy and a
• 29:49
  hindsight is 2020 vision. And I know that this lady, we've
• 29:55
  got to have all her details in the show notes.
• 29:58
  So go check it out. But if you're looking to
• 30:01
  understand your patterns, you're looking to organize your ideas,
• 30:07
  you're looking to really get your message across to that
• 30:12
  person that is praying to hear your story and is your lady.
• 30:18
  If you're ready to let go of the overwhelm.
• 30:21
  Because I know life is overwhelming at the moment and
• 30:24
  we live in a very fast world where there's so much going on.
• 30:28
  And so I feel that what you're bringing to the table for people
• 30:33
  is not just an extraordinary tool for people who want to
• 30:36
  become authors, but it's also a very powerful tool for people to
• 30:42
  understand the world, to have empathy to to have personal
• 30:47
  development, to understand their own patterns.
• 30:50
  So I'm going to hand over to you because this is the part that is
• 30:54
  my favorite part and that is giving the floor to you.
• 30:58
  You may want to use me as a if you do need a role model, or
• 31:03
  perhaps you can just take us through the process of really
• 31:08
  connecting with your story and what you're wanting to achieve
• 31:12
  when you become a writer and you complete that book.
• 31:17
  Yes. So there's a whole process that
• 31:20
  I teach about what you need to think through before you start
• 31:23
  your book. That said, it's also important
• 31:26
  to sit down and write because that's how you learn.
• 31:29
  And you're not going to be an excellent writer unless you
• 31:31
  really try to write. And so people are always.
• 31:35
  Yeah, but is this going to be good enough?
• 31:38
  It will be along the way, but you can't start out being an
• 31:41
  amazing author. You really have to give yourself
• 31:43
  time. But that said, I think to be
• 31:47
  able to tell the story, I think it's very important that you sit
• 31:50
  down beforehand or go out to nature and speak it into your
• 31:54
  phone, but really think through your story.
• 31:56
  And I think you should start with your why.
• 31:59
  Why are you telling this story? What's important about it?
• 32:02
  Why is it important to you? And why is it you that is
• 32:06
  uniquely are uniquely qualified to tell that story?
• 32:09
  And there could also be a time perspective.
• 32:11
  Why is it now that you want to tell that story?
• 32:14
  So it's a thing where you try to clarify your motivation and that
• 32:20
  will also help you if you get stuck later in the story.
• 32:23
  You can return to your why and really see yourself in that
• 32:28
  perspective and see why you started it and why you need to
• 32:31
  finish it. I see.
• 32:33
  Because writing a novel is a long process.
• 32:35
  You can also write short stories.
• 32:37
  Of course it takes a little less time, but it's also a difficult
• 32:40
  tool or a difficult thing to do because people like to tell a
• 32:44
  lot. So it's difficult to keep it
• 32:46
  short. But when you sit down to write a
• 32:48
  novel, it's really a long process.
• 32:49
  So it's easy to get stuck and it's easy to begin to doubt
• 32:53
  yourself. And when you return to the
• 32:55
  documents that you make in the beginning, we really think it
• 32:59
  through your why, your message, who you're talking to.
• 33:03
  Then it becomes clearer why you started it and clearer why you
• 33:06
  need to finish it. And yeah, I think that's really
• 33:09
  important that people are motivated.
• 33:12
  Oh. That's beautiful.
• 33:14
  Why are you doing this? Who are you speaking to for what
• 33:20
  is going to be the greater outcome?
• 33:23
  And really understanding that. And I absolutely love that.
• 33:29
  And I feel that working with you would also be just the most
• 33:34
  healing, the healing way to not just become an author and learn
• 33:40
  how to write your story, but but also how to heal yourself.
• 33:45
  Because you talked about how that kind of alludes to
• 33:49
  patterns. Can you walk me through that?
• 33:53
  Do you have an example? Did you discover your own
• 33:56
  pattern along the way when you were writing one of your first
• 34:00
  books? Yes, definitely.
• 34:03
  So I have a little bit of an issue with feelings, expressing
• 34:06
  feelings, because that was not something I've used to from my
• 34:10
  childhood. So the first book, the 1st
• 34:13
  edition of my first book, there was very little emotion.
• 34:17
  So it, it really didn't pull people in.
• 34:20
  And an editor actually told me this is what it's lacking.
• 34:25
  So I rewrote the story and tried to convey that and learned how
• 34:29
  to express that feel my feelings.
• 34:31
  And that's helped me in my real life as well.
• 34:33
  I've been, I'm much more outspoken about how I feel about
• 34:37
  people and how I feel about situations.
• 34:40
  So not just letting it slide by, but really not just.
• 34:44
  Cold. Not it's not just cold.
• 34:46
  This is the way it is. It's, it's really getting to the
• 34:50
  heart piece. I can't agree with that more.
• 34:53
  In fact, I have discovered that in my own journey, in the recent
• 34:58
  crisis that I've been through, because there was no alternative
• 35:02
  for me other than to become an imposter and pretend my life was
• 35:08
  OK. And I knew I couldn't do that.
• 35:12
  I knew I had to be transparent. And it was something that I'd
• 35:17
  never allowed myself ever to be that vulnerable before.
• 35:23
  And it's interesting that when the world saw me for who I am at
• 35:29
  my rawest and deepest sense, that is when I became more
• 35:35
  influential in, in the online space.
• 35:39
  It's great to be, to have an accreditation in your work as a
• 35:43
  clinical hypnotherapist and people will come to see you for
• 35:46
  various reasons. But Asia in the online space,
• 35:50
  it's very different. You've got to have a niche,
• 35:52
  you've got to know your why, and you've got to understand who
• 35:56
  you're talking to and what is the purpose that you are
• 36:01
  speaking to people. And the missing ingredient is
• 36:05
  just that gold nugget you've just dropped.
• 36:08
  And that is about sharing the true rule, emotions that go with
• 36:13
  it. Would you suggest this is my
• 36:16
  last question, probably my second last actually.
• 36:19
  Would you suggest that people, before they open their wounds up
• 36:26
  to people, that they heal themselves first rather than
• 36:32
  just, we don't want to spew out problems and just land problems
• 36:38
  on people. We want to be an inspiration.
• 36:40
  We want to be able to say, hey, this is where I've been, this is
• 36:44
  what I've gone through and this is what I've done.
• 36:47
  Do you believe that there is a certain amount of healing that
• 36:51
  needs to happen before they speak out, Before they write?
• 36:57
  Both yes and no, if that makes sense.
• 37:00
  So I think that you need some healing before you can write
• 37:03
  about it, because otherwise you might open yourself up to even
• 37:08
  more hurt. But I also think that we're
• 37:10
  always in the process of healing.
• 37:12
  So I don't believe that you should wait until you're a super
• 37:16
  person because I don't think that will ever happen.
• 37:18
  So you are always in process, right?
• 37:21
  And I, for me at least, the writing is healing because I get
• 37:25
  to dive deep into the feelings that I might have had some
• 37:30
  issues expressing with people. And then I could write it into a
• 37:33
  story and kind of see it from more perspectives and learn from
• 37:36
  it. So I think it's both yes and no.
• 37:40
  You should definitely stay in the situation and write about it
• 37:45
  by the minute it happens. Give it some time.
• 37:48
  But I definitely don't think you should wait till you were
• 37:50
  completely healed, because I don't really think you are.
• 37:53
  Yeah. But yes, and a no answer sound
• 37:55
  can sound a bit ambiguous, but I totally can hear where you're
• 38:00
  coming from there, because when you look at it, on one account
• 38:04
  we're saying we need to embrace and one of the things you're
• 38:07
  talking about is embodying what's happening.
• 38:10
  That's part of the healing process.
• 38:12
  And then the other part of it where is you make sure that you
• 38:15
  are part, you know that there's a bit of the yes and the no.
• 38:19
  You want to be able to articulate it.
• 38:21
  If it is in a book, in a way that is authentic.
• 38:25
  However, it's going to reach that person with clarity.
• 38:29
  So I love that. Thank you so much for your
• 38:32
  wisdom here. And I wouldn't be the genius
• 38:37
  zone showing without this last question.
• 38:39
  And that is by the time we get to the end, the person feels
• 38:43
  inspired, expanded, and they're in a flow.
• 38:48
  So is there anything before you jump off that you would like to
• 38:53
  either reiterate that you've spoken upon or something that
• 38:56
  you think, oh, I would have loved to share that?
• 39:01
  Yes. So I believe, of course, that
• 39:03
  everybody should write a book, but I also want to recommend to
• 39:06
  your to your listeners. That's when I say that you
• 39:09
  should read broadly, I don't mean that you should read all
• 39:13
  genres. I don't care about what genre
• 39:15
  you read. I think you should read a lot of
• 39:17
  different authors from different parts of the world because that
• 39:22
  would really expand what you know about the world.
• 39:26
  And I think that's very important.
• 39:27
  We need to know other perspectives and cultures to
• 39:30
  really. Yeah, to really.
• 39:33
  Move forward, it's more emotionally intelligent and it's
• 39:37
  going to raise our IQ and it's probably going to make us a lot
• 39:42
  more interesting as well. And that's before it gets to
• 39:46
  where you're really coming from. And that is with empathy and
• 39:51
  understanding and being able to be able to become a true
• 39:55
  influencer. So, and I just want to thank you
• 39:57
  so much for your time. This has been absolutely.
• 40:02
  Absolutely amazing. And I just encourage you if you
• 40:05
  are in that position where you are ready to put your book
• 40:10
  together and you are also thinking, wow, I wouldn't mind
• 40:13
  going on a healing journey. Or maybe you never thought about
• 40:16
  writing your own book. But you see, maybe there's a
• 40:20
  good point here. Then please contact and where
• 40:25
  are people most likely to find you?
• 40:27
  We will have it in the show notes.
• 40:30
  Probably on on my web page. Yep, beautiful.
• 40:33
  Go through the site. Beautiful, excellent.
• 40:37
  Thank you so much for this wonderful knowledgeable talk and
• 40:41
  just sharing your inspiration. Thank you, Terry.
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