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Apt, App, App, App, and Ray Porter · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 54 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So, today's word or phrase is a very short word.
• 0:38
  I Hate Talking: It may be the shortest word that we've ever done, and hopefully, we've never done this word before because I still do have a slight fear of doing a repeat word.
• 0:48
  I Hate Talking: And at some point, probably we'll go listen to all of our 53 previous episodes.
• 0:54
  I Hate Talking: And record what word it was and have that as a database so that we can internally make sure that we don't have a repeat.
• 1:01
  I Hate Talking: It's gonna get harder the longer we wait.
• 1:04
  I Hate Talking: You need to just do it.
• 1:06
  I Hate Talking: Yes, that is true.
• 1:08
  I Hate Talking: It would be better to start that sooner.
• 1:11
  I Hate Talking: So, -- today's word or phrase is -- apt.
• 1:15
  I Hate Talking: Like I'm apt to do this.
• 1:18
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 1:20
  I Hate Talking: Not.
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  I Hate Talking: Like on our phones.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: No, which that is not even a word, that is just a shortened word that probably would become maybe now used as a word where it's like an application.
• 1:34
  I Hate Talking: But oh wait, yeah, that's what app means application.
• 1:39
  I Hate Talking: You have a phone application on your device.
• 1:41
  I Hate Talking: No, really?
• 1:43
  I Hate Talking: You didn't know that.
• 1:44
  I Hate Talking: No.
• 1:45
  I Hate Talking: What what would it be if it wasn't an application?
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: It's an app.
• 1:48
  I Hate Talking: Well, you might question the phone makers.
• 1:52
  I Hate Talking: You might be at TGI Fridays and ordering an app.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: appetizer, that's a, that's why it's a different word, appetizer.
• 2:01
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess you, our listeners may be getting two bonus words because maybe we'll have to look up app as in phone or computer application versus an appetizer at a restaurant, but the word we're talking about, yes, OK, let's focus, -- refocus on this -- is apt APT.
• 2:20
  I Hate Talking: What?
• 2:22
  I Hate Talking: How would you spell the word apt?
• 2:24
  I Hate Talking: What did you just spell APT.
• 2:27
  I Hate Talking: Oh, OK.
• 2:29
  I Hate Talking: Apt.
• 2:30
  I Hate Talking: I thought you said APP and then I was like, that is definitely a phone app.
• 2:36
  I Hate Talking: Well, maybe you should have paused and listened to what I said because I said APT.
• 2:41
  I Hate Talking: But to answer your question, I definitely would spell apt.
• 2:44
  I Hate Talking: Like, are you apt?
• 2:46
  I Hate Talking: An aptitude test.
• 2:48
  I Hate Talking: Are you apt to do this?
• 2:50
  I Hate Talking: A, D, D.
• 2:51
  I Hate Talking: -- I think you're getting your T's and -- D's and the poor listeners with all these D's and T's and P's, those aren't pleasant to hear.
• 3:02
  I Hate Talking: So sorry y'all.
• 3:04
  I Hate Talking: That is true.
• 3:05
  I Hate Talking: Maybe we have to mind our P's and Q's.
• 3:07
  I Hate Talking: Do you know where that phrase come from?
• 3:10
  I Hate Talking: Yes, from the typewriter thing or from like the uh early day printing, cause Ps and Q's look the same.
• 3:17
  I Hate Talking: That is not.
• 3:19
  I Hate Talking: -- And then -- they're like upside down so then you don't know if you have a or a.
• 3:22
  I Hate Talking: That is not the etymology of -- pes -- OK, we're, we're giving too much away.
• 3:27
  I Hate Talking: We have lots more episodes to do.
• 3:30
  I Hate Talking: All right, well, let's see where we go with this one.
• 3:33
  I Hate Talking: So the word apt, and I guess it is in the word aptitude.
• 3:38
  I Hate Talking: But that is not necessarily the exact etymology of the word apt.
• 3:42
  I Hate Talking: So I think aptitude may be more of a modern use of the same root word, but apt does mean it is suitable or appropriate or able to do something, right?
• 3:58
  I Hate Talking: It has the particular attributes or skills or whatever the case may be to fulfill a certain role or activity.
• 4:07
  I Hate Talking: So a person can be apt or a word could be apt to be suitable or appropriate in doing something.
• 4:17
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 4:18
  I Hate Talking: So this particular word comes from purely Latin from the word appear, which means to fasten, and then that came to be used in the word aptus, which means fitted.
• 4:34
  I Hate Talking: So if you're fastening something, it is going to be fitted so that it is tightly fastened, and that came to be used in the late Middle English as apt.
• 4:44
  I Hate Talking: As in suited or appropriate because it is fitting that that word would become used in such a manner.
• 4:52
  I Hate Talking: Interesting, but it isn't the same word.
• 4:56
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I often associate it as a shortened version of aptitude.
• 5:02
  I Hate Talking: Like you take an aptitude test to see if you are suitable for this career.
• 5:08
  I Hate Talking: So interestingly enough, the word aptitude is a different definition and it has a different origin.
• 5:17
  I Hate Talking: So aptitude is the natural ability to do something.
• 5:21
  I Hate Talking: So if you are particularly apt at a particular activity, then perhaps you have the aptitude to do that, but it basically means a natural tendency or suitability or fitness enable to do something.
• 5:37
  I Hate Talking: Now it does have some of the same Latin roots.
• 5:43
  I Hate Talking: Aptus, which we just talked about is fitted, but it also came to be used in a different Latin word aptitudo, which means that sort of natural tendency part of the word.
• 5:56
  I Hate Talking: So it does come somewhat in the Latin.
• 6:00
  I Hate Talking: But then actually came to be used as a separate word in the Latin from that same root word, and then came to be used as aptitude in the Middle English.
• 6:10
  I Hate Talking: So, whereas apt came straight from the word aptus in Latin.
• 6:16
  I Hate Talking: So, There was actually that split happened in Latin, -- not in -- English.
• 6:22
  I Hate Talking: Oh, there you go.
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  I Hate Talking: So, am I getting it correct?
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  I Hate Talking: The aptitude would be more of a God-given natural ability.
• 6:32
  I Hate Talking: Where apt could be that or it could be like a training for it, whether you have to train and learn a skill or you just know how to do it.
• 6:43
  I Hate Talking: Precisely, and I think also the word apt is more used in a general sense that it's not necessarily a person, but it could even be a word, phrase or thing that is apt to be used in a certain fashion, whereas I think aptitude is going to be more related to a person or Something that has a particular skill or natural tendency.
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  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 7:07
  I Hate Talking: So are we gonna check on app and app as well?
• 7:11
  I Hate Talking: If we want to have a purple header for this episode.
• 7:15
  I Hate Talking: Well, I don't think we want to keep our listeners in suspense, -- so -- I don't want to be in suspense.
• 7:21
  I Hate Talking: Well, -- at -- least check on the app and app.
• 7:23
  I Hate Talking: So app as in terms.
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  I Hate Talking: An application on your phone.
• 7:27
  I Hate Talking: I, I can't even think of a different.
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  I Hate Talking: It's not just a word app.
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  I Hate Talking: -- It -- is.
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  I Hate Talking: Have you ever said download this application?
• 7:36
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I have.
• 7:37
  I Hate Talking: Well, I have not.
• 7:39
  I Hate Talking: So, A is a common abbreviation for application when referring to software programs, especially those designed for mobile devices.
• 7:49
  I Hate Talking: -- But -- what's application mean?
• 7:51
  I Hate Talking: Because I feel like application means like you take something.
• 7:54
  I Hate Talking: And you apply it to what you're doing.
• 7:58
  I Hate Talking: So I think the way that application became to be used in software is more around logic.
• 8:09
  I Hate Talking: So in the very early days of computing, according to some of the brief research that I've done offline here is that there would be punch cards or particular logic blocks that would be applied to particular computer problems or mathematical problems.
• 8:27
  I Hate Talking: And that these particular logic things then became known as applications because you, as a computer programmer or a computer user are applying the particular logic that the programmer has designed to solve a particular problem using computing resources or in order to do something with the technology.
• 8:54
  I Hate Talking: So that appears to be The sort of etymology in terms of application as it relates to computer software.
• 9:03
  I Hate Talking: OK, can we say that probably In the future, app will be its own word then.
• 9:11
  I Hate Talking: Cause that's so far removed, and that was probably what in the 80s or whatnot so long ago.
• 9:17
  I Hate Talking: That app is its own externally actual thing now.
• 9:25
  I Hate Talking: So, our favorite Oxford English dictionary, which we actually used the Merriam-Webster last time in our previous episode, but it does seem that the word app in the Oxford English Dictionary.
• 9:43
  I Hate Talking: is Not looked upon favorably by the English because they specifically refer to this word as used in North American English.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: And it has this word as a computing term with regards to the application thing that we've been talking about.
• 10:04
  I Hate Talking: So, are you saying that in the UK they do not call the things that you download on your phone to open your email or whatnot, apps, what do they call them?
• 10:19
  I Hate Talking: If that's a North American term.
• 10:22
  I Hate Talking: They're not widgets, which is a completely different thing.
• 10:26
  I Hate Talking: So what is it called?
• 10:28
  I Hate Talking: They might just call it application.
• 10:30
  I Hate Talking: I will have to ask somebody in Europe next time I talk to them.
• 10:34
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, when you do ask.
• 10:36
  I Hate Talking: Did you download that, cause if someone told me, did you download the application?
• 10:40
  I Hate Talking: I would think like to apply for a job?
• 10:44
  I Hate Talking: What are you talking about?
• 10:45
  I Hate Talking: But if someone says download this app, like oh, OK, sure.
• 10:50
  I Hate Talking: So, we will have to keep our listeners in suspense because I will have to wait until I talk to somebody in Europe about that.
• 10:57
  I Hate Talking: All right.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: And then The app as in terms of appetizer.
• 11:04
  I Hate Talking: does not really seem to have any particular etymology.
• 11:09
  I Hate Talking: It looks like.
• 11:10
  I Hate Talking: Just a pure shortening of the word.
• 11:13
  I Hate Talking: OK, but if you're reading it, if I feel like, I think this is why I assumed app was a word, because I feel like if you're talking about a phone app, it's usually capital A, capital P, capital P.
• 11:29
  I Hate Talking: But if you're reading the word appetizer, like, let's order the app.
• 11:35
  I Hate Talking: For happy hour.
• 11:37
  I Hate Talking: It's like APP, right?
• 11:39
  I Hate Talking: Lowercase letters.
• 11:41
  I Hate Talking: No, I think both would be lowercase.
• 11:44
  I Hate Talking: Really?
• 11:46
  I Hate Talking: Yes.
• 11:47
  I Hate Talking: Oh.
• 11:47
  I Hate Talking: And it does seem that the more prevalent use of the word app is in reference to application and Not appetizer, and then Wikipedia gives a third one, where it is a shortening of the word appearance.
• 12:06
  I Hate Talking: So, for example, if Mike Trout made an app at a baseball game, that would be an appearance.
• 12:13
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I've ever heard.
• 12:15
  I Hate Talking: That used anywhere, but Wikipedia says that that is a third shortening of a word that ends, therefore, in the word app.
• 12:26
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 12:27
  I Hate Talking: So, I think that the most apt thing to do is if you want to be explicitly clear, is to use the full word, application, appetizer or appearance.
• 12:39
  I Hate Talking: I don't think so.
• 12:41
  I Hate Talking: I'd almost argue just for appetizer, but if you're out of, I think context counts too, right?
• 12:47
  I Hate Talking: If you're with your friends and you say, hey, you want to order an app, I wouldn't think they're asking me to pull up my phone.
• 12:55
  I Hate Talking: To download something.
• 12:57
  I Hate Talking: I think they wanna share some appetizers.
• 13:02
  I Hate Talking: But if somebody said download this app, I think, oh, instantly.
• 13:08
  I Hate Talking: They want me to click on this QR code and get this program on my phone.
• 13:14
  I Hate Talking: They don't want me to order nachos.
• 13:17
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I suppose you could use all three in a sentence, so if you're single out there and your date makes an app, it's time to download an app so that you can order some apps.
• 13:27
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 13:29
  I Hate Talking: So that is our word or phrase of the episode, apt and That just came to mind because that was one of the words that I used in the previous episode to describe how pauses might be sometimes used and when maybe be an appropriate time to use them because if they are apt to be used, that means that they are fitting or appropriate.
• 13:53
  I Hate Talking: OK, yeah, that was a long go around, but that was super interesting.
• 13:57
  I Hate Talking: I felt like I learned a lot.
• 14:00
  I Hate Talking: So are we gonna keep the suspense then for the etymology of P's and Q's?
• 14:05
  I Hate Talking: If you want this to be an etymology podcast, we can cause we can go on that.
• 14:12
  I Hate Talking: It's totally whatever you want.
• 14:14
  I Hate Talking: Well, we've have spent a lot of time on etymology.
• 14:19
  I Hate Talking: So I think it is time to move on and if our listeners would like to hear about Ps and Q's, you can tune in next time.
• 14:27
  I Hate Talking: OK, but to build uh suspense, you don't think I'm right on what I said.
• 14:33
  I Hate Talking: No it's not, it's not a matter of thinking.
• 14:37
  I Hate Talking: I know.
• 14:38
  I Hate Talking: That there is a very specific etymology of Ps and Q's and it has nothing to do with the typewriter or the formation of the typewriter, but like that, the original typing.
• 14:51
  I Hate Talking: Are they on opposite ends of the keyboard or like as far apart as you can get?
• 14:54
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but like, no, the original print, OK, I must have misspoke, the original time like they created printed work.
• 15:03
  I Hate Talking: And they'd have to, I guess we have to talk about this.
• 15:07
  I Hate Talking: You, OK, we'll talk about it later.
• 15:09
  I Hate Talking: We'll talk about it later.
• 15:11
  I Hate Talking: So.
• 15:11
  I Hate Talking: So, I think I might have misspoke and you're taking it super literal, which Jefferson Fisher in his book talks about the importance of words and how important a word can be to change the entire outcome of a conversation.
• 15:28
  I Hate Talking: That is very true.
• 15:30
  I Hate Talking: That is one of the reasons that we do talk about words and etymology on this particular podcast because they are of great importance.
• 15:38
  I Hate Talking: So Ps and Q's, tune in next time.
• 15:42
  I Hate Talking: We've spent enough time on ap apps, app and app.
• 15:47
  I Hate Talking: Oh man.
• 15:49
  I Hate Talking: So, one of the things that came up in our last episode that maybe we will touch on for the remainder of this episode is just narration and whether authors read their works differently or if maybe particularly we have any favorite narrators that Narrate audiobooks or podcasts or anything of that nature.
• 16:15
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: So I think it was clear from the tail end of our episode last time that I do not particularly enjoy self-narrated works where the author is reading their own book.
• 16:31
  I Hate Talking: You do not.
• 16:33
  I Hate Talking: I feel like we've talked about that maybe on the podcast a little bit before too.
• 16:36
  I Hate Talking: But yes, you have A disdain or disinterest in authors, and maybe uh you can remind us all of why, cause you do have valid reasons why you dislike it.
• 16:51
  I Hate Talking: Yes, so probably two main reasons come to mind.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: One is the speed at which they read.
• 17:03
  I Hate Talking: I've always found that.
• 17:05
  I Hate Talking: Authors that read their own works will read it faster.
• 17:09
  I Hate Talking: Now, this is probably because they are not trained narrators, so they do not necessarily have the exact particular temperament to read at an even meter or at a meter that is most appropriate for audiobooks.
• 17:25
  I Hate Talking: So it's a little bit of an inaccuracy in my mind because if a book is presented as being 8 hours long.
• 17:35
  I Hate Talking: I can speed that up and listen to it at a more fast pace, but if it is a self-narrated work, I will not be able to speed it up at the same rate.
• 17:47
  I Hate Talking: So a quote unquote regular book that is narrated by a trained narrator might turn in from an eight hour book to a 4 hour book, but a self-narrated book might change from an 8 hour book to only a 6 hour book, so.
• 18:02
  I Hate Talking: It will make a difference in terms of the time that I spend listening to a book as an audiobook.
• 18:10
  I Hate Talking: Interesting.
• 18:10
  I Hate Talking: And on that, I just don't know, maybe you do.
• 18:14
  I Hate Talking: I've always assumed the audiobook is word for word, the same.
• 18:18
  I Hate Talking: Occasionally you'll hear them throw something in that's different, and they'll often acknowledge that.
• 18:24
  I Hate Talking: From the written work versus the audio, cause audio obviously comes after the written.
• 18:30
  I Hate Talking: But is it word for word?
• 18:34
  I Hate Talking: Cause I know there's an event that, I mean, you and I both do, that I do.
• 18:39
  I Hate Talking: That I have to write out something for and turn it in to get approval.
• 18:45
  I Hate Talking: And then I go speak it in front of a crowd.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: There's often A few sentences that I changed the words when I'm doing it, not intentionally, and I do not think it's changing the meaning at all.
• 18:59
  I Hate Talking: It's just a more natural way I talk than what is explicitly read.
• 19:05
  I Hate Talking: That is possible.
• 19:08
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if I've ever observed that with a particular audiobook that is read by the author.
• 19:14
  I Hate Talking: The other thing that I do notice with an author that reads her own work is that sometimes their inflection will actually not be all that good.
• 19:24
  I Hate Talking: So again, as a person that is not trained in narration, they might not have a lot of inflection or a lot of variability within their tone and speed and things of that nature.
• 19:37
  I Hate Talking: But there are the opposite in the spectrum where perhaps the author because they understand what they are reading and what they actually want to impart to the listener, they will have better inflection than a narrator.
• 19:49
  I Hate Talking: So that can go sort of both ways.
• 19:51
  I Hate Talking: Now, the interesting thing that you noted in terms of how perhaps maybe the written word is different from the spoken word is when I'm preparing something that is spoken, I will actually speak the written thing that I wrote.
• 20:06
  I Hate Talking: And adjust it accordingly.
• 20:08
  I Hate Talking: Adjusted how?
• 20:10
  I Hate Talking: If I run into a phrase or a word that makes perfect sense in the written word, but maybe seems a little bit off in terms of how it would be delivered in spoken form, I will make that adjustment.
• 20:25
  I Hate Talking: Right, I think that's what I'm asking is Often when we're reading something to have correct grammar.
• 20:32
  I Hate Talking: Or punctuation and needs to be written in a certain way.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: But when you're speaking it, if you spoke like that, it would sound odd.
• 20:42
  I Hate Talking: And I don't know if they have the ability and flexibility to change that when they're reading it out loud.
• 20:49
  I Hate Talking: I would doubt it.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: I think that if.
• 20:52
  I Hate Talking: A narrator was hired to narrate a specific book, they would not have that liberty to change what the author who isn't hired and they're doing it.
• 21:03
  I Hate Talking: Do they have the ability and flexibility?
• 21:08
  I Hate Talking: I would assume that maybe they would have that flexibility and ability, but I don't know if they would really necessarily pursue that because I think they would want to act in a way that had fidelity to the original work that they published in the written form.
• 21:24
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:24
  I Hate Talking: So, that is some of the reasons that maybe particularly I do not like authors that read their own works.
• 21:33
  I Hate Talking: But I definitely have some favorite narrators.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: Sometimes I will buy a book just for the narrator.
• 21:41
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you want me to name him?
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: Well, I'm interested to know if it's the same narrator.
• 21:45
  I Hate Talking: This will be interesting.
• 21:46
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if we've ever talked about this.
• 21:48
  I Hate Talking: We do because you've gotten me books because of him.
• 21:51
  I Hate Talking: You've tried to convince me like you have to read it.
• 21:54
  I Hate Talking: Or like listen to this guy, it's so and so I reads it.
• 21:59
  I Hate Talking: You don't know who I'm talking about?
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: Well, I know who my favorite narrator is.
• 22:02
  I Hate Talking: I don't know if we're talking about the same person.
• 22:04
  I Hate Talking: All right, I'll look it up.
• 22:06
  I Hate Talking: Well, I know it.
• 22:07
  I Hate Talking: You don't know it.
• 22:07
  I Hate Talking: I know him as like my personal friend Ray Porter, the best narrator in the world.
• 22:13
  I Hate Talking: I'm not on personal terms with him.
• 22:16
  I Hate Talking: No, me and Ray don't go way back.
• 22:18
  I Hate Talking: Well, neither do we, but Yes, I definitely know the name Ray Porter because he is definitely the best narrator that I have ever encountered by far.
• 22:28
  I Hate Talking: Gray Porter.
• 22:30
  I Hate Talking: So you can check out some of his works.
• 22:32
  I Hate Talking: There's a number of them that he narrates that are quite good.
• 22:37
  I Hate Talking: So.
• 22:38
  I Hate Talking: Are you name any of them?
• 22:40
  I Hate Talking: Well, the one that we were just talking about as we were trying to arrive at the book that you enjoyed that was narrated by him was.
• 22:48
  I Hate Talking: Project Hail Mary by Andy Ware, which was narrated by Ray Porter.
• 22:55
  I Hate Talking: So we can throw that one in the show notes as well.
• 22:57
  I Hate Talking: That was one that we both enjoyed.
• 22:59
  I Hate Talking: Not only because of the content of the story, but because of the excellent narration.
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 23:05
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I don't know if I would have enjoyed the story as much without him.
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: Uh, narrated it you told me about.
• 23:14
  I Hate Talking: The book and I wasn't interested until you said he was narrating it and so I listened and I did enjoy it.
• 23:23
  I Hate Talking: So I think narrators can make a big difference because of how they present the information.
• 23:30
  I Hate Talking: It can make it interesting or not.
• 23:33
  I Hate Talking: Precisely.
• 23:35
  I Hate Talking: So that is one of our favorite narrators.
• 23:40
  I Hate Talking: There's some that Will Wheaton has done that are quite good.
• 23:45
  I Hate Talking: So, The Martian, which was by the same author, Andy Ware, I think Will Wheaton also did the narration of Ready Player One and Ready Player 2.
• 23:53
  I Hate Talking: And the kids really enjoy Jack Black as a narrator on some of them on the Minecraft book.
• 24:01
  I Hate Talking: Jack Black has the Minecraft movie now too, that we're gonna have to go see.
• 24:05
  I Hate Talking: We will probably see it at some point.
• 24:09
  I Hate Talking: There's a lot of mixed feelings on the movie itself in our household, so I don't know if we're going to spend the money to go see it in theaters.
• 24:19
  I Hate Talking: We probably will wait until it is available to buy or rent.
• 24:24
  I Hate Talking: What was that other movie that it was so good that we did not go see it in theaters because it was a huge flop, the Dogman movie.
• 24:31
  I Hate Talking: Oh my goodness, that was.
• 24:33
  I Hate Talking: Not a good movie experience.
• 24:36
  I Hate Talking: I'm not sure why that was, but it was certainly good that we did not spend all the money to go see that in theaters because I don't even think some of the kids made it through like the 1st 5 minutes and they said this is dumb.
• 24:45
  I Hate Talking: No, we bought it.
• 24:46
  I Hate Talking: We probably could have waited till it came out, but we did buy it.
• 24:51
  I Hate Talking: To own And yeah, they didn't like it.
• 24:56
  I Hate Talking: Um, one of the Minecraft themes in all, you know, Jack Black's defense, some of our kids don't wanna watch it because it's called a Minecraft movie, not the Minecraft movie.
• 25:09
  I Hate Talking: So they think it's a knockoff because it's not the, it's just a.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: And that's an importance of the word choice.
• 25:18
  I Hate Talking: It is an importance of the word choice.
• 25:20
  I Hate Talking: So, well, I think this is an apt time to end this particular episode, but before we do, if you are listeners think that we, the podcasters have aptitude at podcasting, we would like you to share this episode and this podcast with others that you also may think.
• 25:43
  I Hate Talking: would enjoy it and continue to listen and perhaps next time we will mind our P's and Q's.
• 25:51
  I Hate Talking: So, from your friends at IHTalking until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.