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The Kenny Report | 28 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Love from the Sky New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Danika di Giorgio filling in for Chris this week.
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  Speaker 4: Coming up tonight, the Band is back together. The Coalition
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  Speaker 4: has reunited after one of the shortest divorces in history.
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  Speaker 4: The winners and losers from the new Shadow Ministry, including
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  Speaker 4: two big names who've been left out, and calls for
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  Speaker 4: limits on laptops in classrooms to stop the vile cyber
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  Speaker 4: abuse of teachers and students. But first tonight, the band
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  Speaker 4: is back together. The Coalition has reunited after one of
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  Speaker 4: the shortest divorces in history.
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  Speaker 3: And gee, what a difference a week makes.
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  Speaker 5: I don't accept the word bitter, and you know people
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  Speaker 5: have used this breakup terminology. I agree that this is
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  Speaker 5: a professional partnership between two really strong parties in our
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  Speaker 5: Australian democracy that work very well when they work together. Personalite,
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  Speaker 5: David and I will be friends.
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  Speaker 1: Susan and I have always.
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  Speaker 5: Kept the lines of communication up, but we've risen.
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  Speaker 6: Above that we haven't let us get distracted by what's
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  Speaker 6: been reported.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, it all sounds very romantic, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 4: And look, the Liberal and National parties are indeed stronger
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  Speaker 4: together as a right of center party, you do need
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  Speaker 4: an effective opposition to put the interests of the nation
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  Speaker 4: ahead of their own differences. But this whole sorry saga
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  Speaker 4: has really just damaged its own credibility and allowed the
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister to go around brimming like.
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  Speaker 3: A cheshier cat.
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  Speaker 4: And you wouldn't be wrong if you were skeptical about
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  Speaker 4: this now all smiles coalition because it still doesn't know
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  Speaker 4: what it stands for. It's not settled on key policy
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  Speaker 4: areas energy being key and the energy policy it will
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  Speaker 4: take to the next election. Susan Lee's shadow cabinet has
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  Speaker 4: been unveiled and not everyone is happy, and there is
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  Speaker 4: internal fighting within the Nationals Party, so it makes for
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  Speaker 4: quite an episode of married at first sight. But let's
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  Speaker 4: start with the coalition who have today kissed.
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  Speaker 3: And made up.
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  Speaker 4: The Liberals have agreed to the National's four key policy demands,
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  Speaker 4: including lifting the nuclear moratorium, divestiture powers for supermarkets, investment
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  Speaker 4: in regional Australia, and upgrading telecommunications services in the country.
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  Speaker 3: And they see the.
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  Speaker 4: National's got exactly what they wanted and realistically they are
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  Speaker 4: propping up this coalition at the moment. But the issue
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  Speaker 4: is now we still have no idea what the coalition
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  Speaker 4: stands for, especially when it comes.
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  Speaker 3: To nuclear energy.
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  Speaker 4: Even today, there's still no clear path forward from the Liberals.
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  Speaker 5: It's important to recognize that, in agreeing as we have
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  Speaker 5: with respect to nuclear energy, that the removal of the
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  Speaker 5: moratorium is an important first step. It's also important to
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  Speaker 5: note that there will be development of the detail of
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  Speaker 5: any further policy with respect to new clear after that point.
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  Speaker 5: So that's where we're starting, and the policy development that
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  Speaker 5: you speak of that does require that consultative engagement across
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  Speaker 5: our parties will continue.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, nuclear was obviously a coalition policy taken to the election,
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  Speaker 4: which Susan Lee supported while Deputy Liberal Leader under Peter Dutton.
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  Speaker 3: It's a policy that they had backed as.
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  Speaker 4: The genuine alternative to Labour's renewables only fantasy. So if
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  Speaker 4: you truly believed in it, then why not immediately jump
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  Speaker 4: at the chance to back it in Right now? The
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  Speaker 4: time has come to go big and bold and build
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  Speaker 4: a genuine alternative government. Yet some climate hysterics in the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party or even going as far as to push
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  Speaker 4: for the nuclear policy to be dumped altogether and that's
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  Speaker 4: a sure fire way to keep labor and power.
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  Speaker 3: For a long time.
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  Speaker 4: And there are calls from within the Nationals to drop
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  Speaker 4: net zero twenty fifty, something that won't bode well with
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  Speaker 4: the moderates in the Liberal Party, especially as it seeks
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  Speaker 4: to win back inner city seats from Independence. Barnaby Joyce
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  Speaker 4: says he will use his voice as a backbencher now
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  Speaker 4: to campaign against net zero, arguing it's a disaster for
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  Speaker 4: national security, the economy, the environment and cost of living.
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  Speaker 3: And so too Matt Canavan. But the time has come
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  Speaker 3: for a.
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  Speaker 4: Serious debate on energy policy in this country. Drop net
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  Speaker 4: zero or retain the twenty to fifty target with nuclear
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  Speaker 4: in the mix, and ow to Susan Lee's shadow cabinet,
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  Speaker 4: let's go through the winners. Deputy Leader Ted O'Brien has
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  Speaker 4: been confirmed as Shadow treasurer. Angus Taylor, who of course
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  Speaker 4: lost the leadership ballot, has been appointed Shadow Defense Minister,
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  Speaker 4: Andrew Hasty takes on Home affairs. Michaylia Cash is a
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  Speaker 4: big winner out of this. She takes on shadow Foreign
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  Speaker 4: Minister position, and James Patterson.
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  Speaker 3: He moves to finance. Now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I think it's good to see a mix of
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  Speaker 4: experience in this lineup, and that it's not all just
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  Speaker 4: a lineup of moderates. That would be the worry because
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  Speaker 4: in my opinion, moderates cannot win government. So it's good
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  Speaker 4: to see that there are senior conservatives in the mix here.
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  Speaker 4: But if you look at the losers, Jane Hume has
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  Speaker 4: been dumped all together from the Shadow ministry and no
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  Speaker 4: doubt she's been punished for that disastrous work from Home policy,
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  Speaker 4: which was of course dumped in the weeks leading up
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  Speaker 4: to the election. Former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce and
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  Speaker 4: former Nationals leader Michael McCormack have not been named on
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  Speaker 4: the coalition front bench. And then there is Jacinta Nampa
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  Speaker 4: Jimpa Price who's been handed the Defense Industry portfolio and
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  Speaker 4: it sees her out of the Shadow cabinet because she
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  Speaker 4: loses the Indigenous Affairs now. Her affection to the Liberals
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  Speaker 4: has clearly not paid off, which is a real shame,
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  Speaker 4: a real shame, because she is such a strong operator
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  Speaker 4: and a woman who is not afraid to speak her mind.
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  Speaker 4: And I think it is an absolute miss, a total miss,
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  Speaker 4: by Susan Lee not to give her a more prominent role.
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  Speaker 4: It is a waste of good talent, which brings me
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  Speaker 4: to the bad blood that is brewing in the National Nationals.
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  Speaker 4: MPs are continuing to publicly lash David Little Proud over
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  Speaker 4: his handling of the coalition split and the way that
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  Speaker 4: those negotiations were handled.
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  Speaker 6: How can you support a blug that misleads the party room.
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  Speaker 6: I'm calling him out. I can't do it. It is
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  Speaker 6: messy and this is all based on pure lack of
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  Speaker 6: communication and the chosen ones that think that they're able
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  Speaker 6: to dictate to everybody, and everybody else is just expected
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  Speaker 6: to toe the line. That's the basis of it all.
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  Speaker 7: We didn't need to I felt break away from the
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  Speaker 7: Liberal Party. It looked messy, and from the public's point
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  Speaker 7: of view, the masters has been scratching their heads and
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  Speaker 7: wondering what on earth was going on. I just don't
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  Speaker 7: think that everything was told to us as though as
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  Speaker 7: what happened in that Aubury meeting.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it is not wrong.
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  Speaker 4: I think a number of conservative voters have been scratching
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  Speaker 4: their heads in the.
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  Speaker 3: Last few weeks.
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  Speaker 4: But the question now is will Susan Lee and Dave
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  Speaker 4: Little Proud even be there up until the next election
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  Speaker 4: or are both just keeping the seat warm.
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  Speaker 5: I'm confident that we both will. And while people reflect
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  Speaker 5: on the votes and the conversations inside my individual party room,
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  Speaker 5: I know that everyone agreed in walking out of this
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  Speaker 5: party room not that many days ago, to your night,
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  Speaker 5: behind our leadership and to work very hard.
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  Speaker 8: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Look, the sooner the coalition gets back to business, the
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  Speaker 4: better both parties need to understand. There are many Conservative
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  Speaker 4: voters who are just simply disgruntled right now with the coalition,
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  Speaker 4: between the split, the public sledging that ensured the infighting,
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  Speaker 4: and even now, even now within both party rooms, the
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  Speaker 4: knives are still out and it makes you really think
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  Speaker 4: that this is not a coalition fair di InCom right
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  Speaker 4: now about winning elections. In his first interview since the
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  Speaker 4: coalition's election loss, former Prime Minister Scott Morrison has told
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  Speaker 4: Stein News the Coalition must get back to its core values.
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  Speaker 9: It has always been the heritage of the Liberal and
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  Speaker 9: National Parties to stand for lower taxs and stronger defense,
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  Speaker 9: stronger national security and an economy that can support essential
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  Speaker 9: services like health education. The NBAS people want to have aspiration,
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  Speaker 9: they want to get ahead, They want to see defense
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  Speaker 9: and national security, ensure that we can have a peaceful
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  Speaker 9: reason and that we can get on well with our neighbors,
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  Speaker 9: and that we can have the services that astrayans rely on.
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  Speaker 9: All of that depends on a strong economy. That always
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  Speaker 9: remains the core message I think of the coalition, and the.
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  Speaker 4: Issue now is getting the coalition on a unity ticket
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  Speaker 4: on key policies that can indeed take them to the
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  Speaker 4: next term. But the recent lack of conviction has left
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  Speaker 4: conservative politics in the wilderness. And it's conservative voters really
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  Speaker 4: who are the big losers in all of this, Because
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  Speaker 4: we've been dumped with a very divided coalition and the
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  Speaker 4: damage to its credibility is far worse. Conservative voters deserve better,
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  Speaker 4: and even worse, we're left with another alb and Easy,
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  Speaker 4: with a broken renewable system, a trillion dollars in debt,
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  Speaker 4: and of course with a big Australia policy. So sure,
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  Speaker 4: marriage counseling seems to have worked right now, though I
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  Speaker 4: am not at all convinced that they'll be singing this
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  Speaker 4: anytime soon.
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  Speaker 8: Whatever I said, whatever I didn't mean in I just
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  Speaker 8: want you back.
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  Speaker 4: For well, they certainly need each other. Whether they want
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  Speaker 4: each other back for good. But it's time for the
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  Speaker 4: coalition to stop talking about themselves and get back to
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  Speaker 4: holding this labor government to account. Let's go straight to
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  Speaker 4: one Nation leader, Senator Pauline Hanson. Now, Senator, nice to
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  Speaker 4: catch up with you. Thank you so much for joining
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  Speaker 4: me on the show this evening. Well, look, as we've
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  Speaker 4: seen today, the coalitions reunited. But you know, the question
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  Speaker 4: has to be asked, will the relationship last. It doesn't
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  Speaker 4: know what it stands for, especially when it comes to
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  Speaker 4: the energy debate. There are liberals and now what very
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  Speaker 4: different things when it comes to nuclear and net zero.
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  Speaker 3: Can a united policy be reached? Do you think?
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  Speaker 10: I think it should and I think it will because
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  Speaker 10: they probably got a backlash from the voters out there
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  Speaker 10: who are conservative voters and their own party that it
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  Speaker 10: was ridiculous what happened. So I think that they will
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  Speaker 10: staying together now. But Danika, they've got to get policies
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  Speaker 10: out there. The election held was ridiculous. There was no
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  Speaker 10: pushback about Medicare, immigration, the detainees, those who have stayed
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  Speaker 10: the visas foreign students, cost living. I thought it was
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  Speaker 10: a very poor election by the coalition government both sides,
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  Speaker 10: and they parked Barnaby Joyce and just enter Price on
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  Speaker 10: the sidelines. They never had them out there pushing policies,
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  Speaker 10: and I don't think their policies was good enough for
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  Speaker 10: the people to vote for them. But people must remember
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  Speaker 10: Labor only got thirty five percent of the vote to
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  Speaker 10: win the seats they did, so it's a whole preference system.
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  Speaker 10: That's what gave Labor their seats. But the coalition needs
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  Speaker 10: to start working together. It's not about them. They've now
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  Speaker 10: gone back, get some decent policies going put your case
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  Speaker 10: forward before the people.
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  Speaker 3: And I believe that if they do.
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  Speaker 10: Put good policies out there, go back to the core values,
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  Speaker 10: conservative values. I think they do have a chance to
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  Speaker 10: get rid of alb and easy if the next election.
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  Speaker 3: Look you certainly hope so, and you're right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean the figure is conservative voters have been sort
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  Speaker 4: of left squandering really after this because we haven't got
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  Speaker 4: a strong and effective opposition right now. And you're right,
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  Speaker 4: they need to come together and put some policy on
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  Speaker 4: the table. I just want to ask you because you
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  Speaker 4: mentioned Barnaby Joyce and you mentioned just into Nampa, jimper Price.
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  Speaker 4: Barnaby is out of a senior role there just into
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  Speaker 4: Nampa jimper Price, same deal. I mean she's technically out
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  Speaker 4: of the shadow cabinet. There has her defection been a
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  Speaker 4: waste of time.
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  Speaker 10: Look, she's looking to get in the line House and
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  Speaker 10: I think that she'll run for a lower House seat
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  Speaker 10: at the next election if she wants to move up
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  Speaker 10: the chain. And that's what it's about. It's about her
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  Speaker 10: political future. Look, Danika, she's only been in Parliament for
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  Speaker 10: three years. What is her credentials Aboriginal affairs. I thought
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  Speaker 10: they should have kept her there. She knows her stuff.
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  Speaker 10: She should have been there. Not to put her into defense.
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  Speaker 10: She's got to get some stripes up and she has
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  Speaker 10: to be prove her worth to the strained people. There
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  Speaker 10: was wining one issue about the voice. Yes, she was
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  Speaker 10: the voice for the coalition, but so was I, so
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  Speaker 10: was Malcolm Roberts, So was Gary John So is Barnaby Joyce.
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  Speaker 10: So was a lot of other people, and Warren Mundine
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  Speaker 10: as well.
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  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 10: She didn't win the vote on her own. She did
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  Speaker 10: a lot for it, and I give you credit and
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  Speaker 10: what helped her also when she was Aboriginal and that
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  Speaker 10: helped it also to get it to cross the line.
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  Speaker 10: But the fact is let her earn at stripes and
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  Speaker 10: you know what needs to happen. Also, Simon Birmingham was
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  Speaker 10: no pushback in the last parliament in the Senate and
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  Speaker 10: that's hoping now that Michaulay Cash will lead opposition in
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  Speaker 10: the Senate. Do I think Susan Lee will be there
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  Speaker 10: at the next election, No, I don't. I think she
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  Speaker 10: will be replaced before the next election.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think David Little Proud will be replaced before
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  Speaker 4: the next election.
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  Speaker 10: There's rumbling still going on there. But anyway, I hope,
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  Speaker 10: I hope. Look, I get on all right with David,
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  Speaker 10: there's no problem. But if LONGSI keeps pushing for the
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  Speaker 10: rural and regional areas.
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  Speaker 3: But there is disquiet.
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  Speaker 10: I heard what Colin Boyce had to say. There is
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  Speaker 10: dis quite within with the ranks of the National Party
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  Speaker 10: with the leadership of David Little Proud. But it's not
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  Speaker 10: for me to say, you know, I hope that they
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  Speaker 10: actually get their act together because I do not want
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  Speaker 10: to see the ILB and easy Labor government Greens government
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  Speaker 10: in there for another two terms. Hopefully, if we can
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  Speaker 10: all work together the conservative side of politics and get
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  Speaker 10: rid of the Elban Easy government because they're destroying this country.
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  Speaker 10: I'm just gobsmacked the number of people out there who
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  Speaker 10: actually voted for the Labor government this last election. They're
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  Speaker 10: and for a lot of hurt and pain. I warn
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  Speaker 10: the Australian people. Now, it's only just the start of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, as I said, a trillion dollars in debt, a
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  Speaker 4: big Australia policy, a broken renewables system. And look, the
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  Speaker 4: Prime Minister was actually speaking in Brisbane today and he
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  Speaker 4: stopped short of committing to use his huge majority to
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  Speaker 4: introduce radical reform.
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  Speaker 3: Have a look what he said.
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  Speaker 11: It's time for us to do what we said we
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  Speaker 11: would do at the election. It's time for us to
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  Speaker 11: make sure that we continue to grow the economy and
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  Speaker 11: that we look after people.
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  Speaker 2: That is what we will do.
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  Speaker 11: Well, of course, are an ambitious.
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  Speaker 4: Governor, Senator, how ambitious do you think he'll be? Labor
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  Speaker 4: has this majority of ninety four seats. He cannot be
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  Speaker 4: trusted that he's not going to push through some sort
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  Speaker 4: of radical agenda.
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  Speaker 10: He's not run the economy actually wanted. The Australia Made
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  Speaker 10: policy comes in. It's got to be all green projects
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  Speaker 10: and the fact is the government is subsidizing properly it
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  Speaker 10: up in the energy space constantly. He's giving handouts all
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  Speaker 10: the time to prop up and send people money for
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  Speaker 10: cover their power bills. They're going up another you know what,
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  Speaker 10: nine nine point seven, nearly ten percent in some of
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  Speaker 10: the states. So it's ridiculous. He's a socialist government on
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  Speaker 10: the on the border of communism, and that's all he's
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  Speaker 10: doing is buying the votes for people to still for them.
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  Speaker 10: At the end of the day, people have to pay
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  Speaker 10: for this. Nothing's free, and it's going to be rise
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  Speaker 10: and taxes, and I'll tell you what, it's going to
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  Speaker 10: kill the golden goose that's out there because a lot
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  Speaker 10: of the businesses, small businesses going under, industries and manufacturing
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  Speaker 10: going under. He's going to prop it up with high immigration,
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  Speaker 10: bring them into the country and think that's going to work.
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  Speaker 10: But it won't work because it's a Ponzi scheme. So
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  Speaker 10: a lot of people, like I said, are going to
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  Speaker 10: have to pay for this. You're going to lose a
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  Speaker 10: lot of services. And let's see what happens over the
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  Speaker 10: next three years. Let's see if I'm right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well you are.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it is a Ponzi scheme economy, and it's
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  Speaker 4: being propped up by this big Australia policy and that
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  Speaker 4: that's been the problem. It's all right for Albow to say,
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  Speaker 4: well we haven't had a recession. Well we know why
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  Speaker 4: we haven't had one because of our migration rate. Before
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  Speaker 4: we let you go, Senators, obviously disappointing news your daughter
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  Speaker 4: Lee won't be joining you in the Senate after Jackie
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  Speaker 4: Lamby won the fifth Tasmanian Senate spot.
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  Speaker 3: Disappointing news for you.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, look extremely disappointing. But I was proud of her
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  Speaker 10: and what she did. She raised her vote in Tasmania
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  Speaker 10: and she only did a month's campaign. I wish she
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  Speaker 10: hadn't told me earlier that she wanted to run, and
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  Speaker 10: you know, might have made a difference. But anyway, she's
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  Speaker 10: there and she will be standing at the next election.
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  Speaker 10: So in the meantime, we're going to work hard for Tassie.
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  Speaker 10: She's still working at card for Tassi and she will
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  Speaker 10: hold the government down there to account and as we
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  Speaker 10: will one nation in the Senate so and hopefully work
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  Speaker 10: with their coalition government to actually make them more accountable.
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, well, maybe next time, see how it goes Senator
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  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson. Always nice to speak with you. Thank you
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  Speaker 4: very much for joining me this evening. Well, let's change
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  Speaker 4: the pace a little. I'm of course hosting this week
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  Speaker 4: while Chris Kenny is in Israe and yesterday he visited
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  Speaker 4: a kibbutz where over one hundred people were killed by
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  Speaker 4: Hummas on October seven. Today, he joins us live from Jerusalem. Chris,
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  Speaker 4: it's really good to catch up with you. Thanks, thanks
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  Speaker 4: for coming on. Look, obviously eighteen months on from these attacks.
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  Speaker 3: What's it like over there now?
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: What have you seen and witnessed in the past few
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: days since you've been there.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Great to talk to you.
• 17:25
  Speaker 12: Denika in Jerusalem today on a glorious day outside the
• 17:28
  Speaker 12: Yad Vashem Holocaust Memorial. But as you mentioned yesterday, I
• 17:32
  Speaker 12: went down south. I'm here as part of an Australia
• 17:35
  Speaker 12: Israel Jewish Affairs Council study and information tour and they
• 17:39
  Speaker 12: managed to take us down south. We visited Kibudzeberi, where
• 17:43
  Speaker 12: more than one hundred people were killed. As you said,
• 17:45
  Speaker 12: six bodies of those taken as hostages from that kibbutz
• 17:48
  Speaker 12: a still being held in Gaza by Hummas. That's depravity
• 17:53
  Speaker 12: of Hummas. They hold onto the bodies of hostages as
• 17:56
  Speaker 12: bargaining tools.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: And so we saw the.
• 17:59
  Speaker 12: Horror, and we spoke to people who were there on
• 18:02
  Speaker 12: that day and talked about the horror that unfolded. We
• 18:05
  Speaker 12: also went further south to the Nova Music Festival site
• 18:09
  Speaker 12: and spoke to survivors there and met a betterin Muslim
• 18:12
  Speaker 12: man who helped to save many Jewish people on that
• 18:14
  Speaker 12: day and the whole time.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: Though, the point.
• 18:17
  Speaker 12: That the relevance of this today and so much of
• 18:21
  Speaker 12: what is dominating global news today, Deniker, is that the
• 18:25
  Speaker 12: whole time there was the dull thud of artillery in
• 18:28
  Speaker 12: the background, because we were only four to five kilometers
• 18:31
  Speaker 12: away from the guards and border at all times, and
• 18:34
  Speaker 12: the artillery shoulders are still going on.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: The war is preceding the.
• 18:38
  Speaker 12: Land incursion by Israel has been stepped up, so the
• 18:43
  Speaker 12: war dominates all conversations here in Israel. The fate of
• 18:47
  Speaker 12: the hostages. There are still over fifty hostages held by Hamas,
• 18:51
  Speaker 12: only about twenty of those believed to be alive. Israeli soldiers,
• 18:56
  Speaker 12: hundreds of thousands of them called up young Israelis, of
• 18:59
  Speaker 12: course risk their lives and.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Being killed in the war.
• 19:02
  Speaker 12: So the whole focus is on the steps about getting
• 19:05
  Speaker 12: those hostages back and ending the war. But it's a
• 19:09
  Speaker 12: totally different debate to the one you're seeing globally and
• 19:13
  Speaker 12: in Australia where all of the onus of courses on Israel,
• 19:16
  Speaker 12: the demonization of Israel has been extraordinary, whereas Israel of
• 19:21
  Speaker 12: course has been fighting for its very existence, as it
• 19:24
  Speaker 12: has done since its inception, because it's seen off Hesbala
• 19:27
  Speaker 12: to the north, that's still got the hooties, sending in
• 19:30
  Speaker 12: missiles from the west and of course seen off attacks
• 19:35
  Speaker 12: from Iran as well. But the fight against Hamas continues
• 19:39
  Speaker 12: and it's all about how that war can be ended
• 19:41
  Speaker 12: and how those hostages can be returned.
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to ask you about that because you
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: know this week Anthony Albanezi he even claimed that Israel
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: was making excuses for why aid was unable to be
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: delivered to civilians in Gaza.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: This is a bit of what he said.
• 19:58
  Speaker 11: Israel's actions are completely unacceptable. It is outrageous that there'd
• 20:05
  Speaker 11: be a blockade of food and supplies to people who
• 20:09
  Speaker 11: are in need in Gaza. Were made that very clear
• 20:12
  Speaker 11: by signing up to international statements.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: And those comments have received praise from Palestine's representatives here
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: in Australia, Chris, has this reached Israel? What are israelis
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: telling you about Australia's stance on this issue.
• 20:27
  Speaker 12: Look at sure has Denika. There are appalling statements and
• 20:30
  Speaker 12: that's misinformation effectively from our prime minister. He's not alone,
• 20:34
  Speaker 12: of course, other world leaders are saying this. The idea
• 20:37
  Speaker 12: that Israel is starving people in Gaza is a lie.
• 20:40
  Speaker 12: It's more of the Humas propaganda.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: We hear. The problem here is Hummas.
• 20:45
  Speaker 12: All of the international aid, billions of dollars of it
• 20:47
  Speaker 12: that has been sent in even in the last nineteen
• 20:49
  Speaker 12: months since the war began, of course, has been distributed
• 20:52
  Speaker 12: by Hummas, and Hummas has stockpiled. Hamas has been charging
• 20:56
  Speaker 12: people money for the aid, using the money it gets
• 20:59
  Speaker 12: from its own villions to of course pay its terrorists
• 21:02
  Speaker 12: and buy weaponry.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So this has been the problem.
• 21:04
  Speaker 12: And Israel has dealt with this, and Israel is now
• 21:07
  Speaker 12: looking to get aid in through other means. Have other
• 21:10
  Speaker 12: organizations distributed so it's not aid that has held hostage
• 21:14
  Speaker 12: effectively by Gaza and used to perpetuate the conflict.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: But this is the sort of demonization you get of Israel.
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: The whole time. You've just got to think about it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 12: People need to think about the facts here. The only
• 21:26
  Speaker 12: reason anybody has any food or it has been able
• 21:28
  Speaker 12: to survive in Gaza for the last nineteen months is
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: because Israel and the international community have been sending aid
• 21:34
  Speaker 12: in there.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: That's the simple fact.
• 21:37
  Speaker 12: Now, there's no doubt that in recent weeks, in the
• 21:40
  Speaker 12: last two months, perhaps Israel has pulled back on some
• 21:43
  Speaker 12: of the aid shipments to try and draw down the
• 21:46
  Speaker 12: Hummus stockpiles and to try and make sure the aid
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: gets to people for free without going through Hummus.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: That's what's going on.
• 21:53
  Speaker 12: And of course aid is flowing into Gaza as we speak,
• 21:57
  Speaker 12: has been doing so in recent days.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: But this is the key. The key here is Hummaus.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: The key is not Israel.
• 22:04
  Speaker 12: The key is to make sure the aid goes directly
• 22:06
  Speaker 12: to Palestinian people, not to hum Us, so they can
• 22:09
  Speaker 12: profit teer from this aid that is given by the West,
• 22:13
  Speaker 12: given by Western countries on the basis that it should
• 22:16
  Speaker 12: go to Palestinian people for free.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: When it comes to Anthony Albanesi, the Israeli.
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: People here, and we met with the Assistant Foreign Ministerhariin yesterday.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: They feel betrayed by Australia.
• 22:29
  Speaker 12: The relationship between Israel and Australia goes back right to
• 22:33
  Speaker 12: the foundation of Israel, of course, and even before that,
• 22:36
  Speaker 12: and Australia has always been a strong partner for Israel.
• 22:39
  Speaker 12: But Australia is now jumping on the bandwagon and criticizing
• 22:42
  Speaker 12: Israel instead of putting the pressure on Hummus, and Australia's
• 22:47
  Speaker 12: comments have just joined that sort of European UN line
• 22:52
  Speaker 12: of attack. They've even got people in the Australian Parliament
• 22:55
  Speaker 12: now like Edehusick talking about sanctions. The point here is
• 23:00
  Speaker 12: maximum pressure needs to be placed on Hummas.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: The war needs to be ended, and.
• 23:04
  Speaker 12: The Australia needs to be supporting Israel, and they're certainly
• 23:07
  Speaker 12: not doing that. Israeli's well I've spoken to, have said
• 23:10
  Speaker 12: that they feel like Australia has stabbed them in the
• 23:12
  Speaker 12: back and that Australia has now betrayed Israel, and the
• 23:15
  Speaker 12: relationship between Australia and Israel now is at an all
• 23:19
  Speaker 12: time low. The question is whether under this Albanezi labor
• 23:24
  Speaker 12: government actually can't be repaired at any stage, but the
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: prospects at this stage are not good at all.
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: No, it's not good at all. And it's such a
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: shame that the focus is never on Hummas, never on Humas.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: It's always on Israel, and that is the problem. Chris Kenny,
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: good to catch up with you live from Jerusalem. Thank
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: you so much for joining us on the show this evening.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And of course Chris Kenny will be back next week
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: and he'll be sharing all of his experiences and all
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: those conversations he's been having with people on the ground
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: there with you next week, so do make sure that
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: you tune in.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Stay with us.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Coming up after the break, calls for limits on laptops
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: and classrooms to stop the vile cyber abuse abuse of
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: teachers and students. I'll speak with the former principal next.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Welcome back Well.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Liberal Senator Sarah Henderson is one of the losers from
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: today's shadow cabinet announcement. She's been dumped as education spokeswoman.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: It's believed she was a backer of Angus Taylor in
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: that leadership ballot. Tasmanian Senator Jonathan Dunniam has now been
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: appointed to the role, but prior to to today's announcement,
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Sarah Henderson called for limits on laptops in classrooms to
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: stop what she said was the vile cyber abuse of
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: teachers and students. It follows horrific reports of teenagers selling
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: and swapping deep fake sexual images of their fellow female
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: students and teachers, and it's apparently even forced teachers to
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: flee the profession, and it's leaving female students terrified to
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: go to school. I just think it's extraordinary that the government,
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: as well as schools for that matter, because they're also
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: culpable a allowed this to get out of control, and
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: a crackdown on technology in the classroom could be long
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: over due. Joining me now is Tracy Tully, who is
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: a former principal. Tracy really appreciate you joining me. Thank
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: you for joining me. Look, the classroom obviously should feel
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: like a safe space for students and for teachers. How
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: have we allowed this to get so out of control?
• 25:22
  Speaker 13: Exactly? A calm, quiet classroom is a foundation of all
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: good learning, and we've let it get out of control
• 25:28
  Speaker 13: because the governments of the day for decades have chosen
• 25:32
  Speaker 13: to ignore what's happening now. For decades, the Austraian Catholic
• 25:36
  Speaker 13: University in Deacon University have provided the most explicit results
• 25:41
  Speaker 13: and data about what's happening in our schools from the
• 25:44
  Speaker 13: principal surveys, their well being surveys. We have the Senate
• 25:47
  Speaker 13: Committee's reports and findings showing us the same. But what
• 25:51
  Speaker 13: is happening is that we have now become a nursery
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: for delinquents and there's no going back unless we do
• 25:57
  Speaker 13: something immediately.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: Pick you up on that a nursery for delinquents. What's
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: causing this? Where does that come from?
• 26:06
  Speaker 13: Powerful words?
• 26:07
  Speaker 8: I know?
• 26:08
  Speaker 13: Well, the fact is there's lack of action and all
• 26:11
  Speaker 13: we hear all the time is that it's up to
• 26:13
  Speaker 13: the teachers to fix. The teachers have to do this.
• 26:15
  Speaker 13: The teachers have to do this. So is a pylon
• 26:18
  Speaker 13: for teachers. Know that teachers do not need to do
• 26:20
  Speaker 13: these things. They need to teach. So we're not listening
• 26:24
  Speaker 13: to what the teachers are saying. No one is listening.
• 26:26
  Speaker 13: In fact the opposite, they're muscling teachers so they can't speak.
• 26:30
  Speaker 13: You know, here in Queensland they're telling teachers they have
• 26:32
  Speaker 13: to remove their complaints and their reports on our platforms
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: called One School now you do that to disrupt data,
• 26:42
  Speaker 13: to smudge the data so it doesn't get out.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, what's the solution here that there are
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: calls for limits in classrooms by way of technology. I
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: would argue that actually impacts learning. My question is what
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: about the home life? Okay, we talk about governments and
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: schools here, but doesn't it started the home environment. What
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: are parent's doing, What are parent's teaching their kids? What
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: principles and values are they instilling in them that way
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: they go to school and actually are safe to be around.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: Yep, you've hit the nail on the head.
• 27:15
  Speaker 13: It is primarily the parents' responsibility right from the get go.
• 27:19
  Speaker 13: And if we like I used to do in all
• 27:21
  Speaker 13: my schools, we ensure that every single parent and every
• 27:25
  Speaker 13: single student signs an enrollment contract to say that they
• 27:30
  Speaker 13: will uphold the school's behavior of management, policies, and consequences.
• 27:34
  Speaker 13: Until we do that as a nation, nothing's going to
• 27:37
  Speaker 13: change until we start educating our parents. And this is
• 27:41
  Speaker 13: not just the tell the teachers to do this, or
• 27:44
  Speaker 13: you know, we'll just have a little little a session afternoon. No,
• 27:47
  Speaker 13: we have to have something that's led by the federal
• 27:51
  Speaker 13: government and they're serious. So we need to have courses
• 27:55
  Speaker 13: for people who don't work. We need to have courses
• 27:58
  Speaker 13: that happen in the school as both for parents and students.
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: We need to do something seriously about our education. It's
• 28:05
  Speaker 13: going down the drain.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: It's such a shame to say before we let you go.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: There's another warning out today from Principles that children as
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: young as six are being exposed to porn.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: How does a six year old even have access?
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, that's easy.
• 28:20
  Speaker 13: It's in the home, or it's friends or relatives. So
• 28:24
  Speaker 13: if there's a device of any sort that they can
• 28:27
  Speaker 13: pick up and they can access, their curiosity will lead
• 28:30
  Speaker 13: them to do that. So what is happening there And
• 28:34
  Speaker 13: that's a huge issue. But what we can do is
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: hopefully stem it very very young when they get to
• 28:41
  Speaker 13: prep and start teaching and educating them what not to
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: do and speaking and communicating with each other and responsibly.
• 28:50
  Speaker 13: We don't have that patriotic attitude in Australia, and it's
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: regardless of age, gender, religion or what you identify as.
• 28:59
  Speaker 13: We need to fix the communication and we need to
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: do it now, not in another ten years time or
• 29:05
  Speaker 13: another year's time, which is all that keeps happening.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or as you said, we've got this nursery of
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: delinquents now and we don't want it to get worse.
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: Tracy Tally, nice to speak with you. Thanks so much
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: for joining me on the show this evening.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it well.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Coming up, we'll take a look at the winners and
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: losers from the coalition's new front bench. I'll speak with
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: National's Deputy leader Kevin Hogan.
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: Next.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: Let's return now to the Coalition, which is of course
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: back together, and leaders Susan Lee and David Little Proud
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: have also this afternoon announced their new shadow cabinet. Joining
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: me is National's Deputy leader Kevin Hogan, who takes on
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the trade, tourism and investment portfolios. Kevin, good to see
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: you again. Thank you for joining me. So the band
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: is back together. Are you confident that the relationship is
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: on You're on again?
• 29:55
  Speaker 14: Look, I am DANNEK and I thought it was a
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: great vision today to see David and Susan together. Obviously
• 30:00
  Speaker 14: there were some issues that we had to work through
• 30:02
  Speaker 14: and we resolved last week, so it's good to see
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: them together today and good to see them and oursing
• 30:06
  Speaker 14: the team. And I'm very optimistic.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: A number of policies still to be agreeing on. In
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: particular when it comes to energy, you've got a number
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: of Liberals and a number of nationals at odds over
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: nuclear net zero by twenty fifty.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Can you work forward on an agreement to take to
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: the next election.
• 30:28
  Speaker 14: Yeah, well, look I think so, Donacon. We don't need
• 30:30
  Speaker 14: to rush into this. We've got three years. But I'm
• 30:32
  Speaker 14: in there big issues. I mean, the one thing we've
• 30:34
  Speaker 14: already agreed through the coalition agreement is to lift the
• 30:37
  Speaker 14: moratorium on nuclear or that would be our policy. I mean,
• 30:40
  Speaker 14: we know that we're going to have nuclear submarines in
• 30:43
  Speaker 14: ten years or so, and we have a nuclear facility
• 30:45
  Speaker 14: at Lucas Heights, So to lift the moratorium on nuclear
• 30:48
  Speaker 14: we think is a bare minimum. So that's good.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Look.
• 30:51
  Speaker 14: NET zero twenty fifty is going to be an issue
• 30:52
  Speaker 14: that we've all got where both parties looking to review.
• 30:55
  Speaker 14: I mean, obviously there's going to be differences of opinion
• 30:57
  Speaker 14: on that, so we'll go undergo a review process and
• 31:00
  Speaker 14: revisit that policy. I'm looking forward to that review and
• 31:03
  Speaker 14: that discussion.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: We'll just on net zero twenty fifty. I mean, the
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: reality is is that there are a number of moderates
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: within the Liberal Party who do not want that emission's
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: target scraps because they're looking to take back seats from independence,
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: a number of inner city seats as opposed to the nationals.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: How will you get through that policy.
• 31:24
  Speaker 14: Well, look, we'll just have I mean, we're going to
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: undergo our own review as well. So look, we will
• 31:29
  Speaker 14: take in new data. I mean we're going to commission
• 31:32
  Speaker 14: people to look at this and have independent look at
• 31:35
  Speaker 14: it and review the economic ramifications of it, especially in
• 31:38
  Speaker 14: the regions, and look at it. Will be a discussion
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: and it will be an ongoing discussion until we land somewhere.
• 31:43
  Speaker 14: These subjects aren't easy. There's obviously always a divergence of opinion,
• 31:47
  Speaker 14: but that's what politics is about. So we've got to
• 31:48
  Speaker 14: land somewhere that keeps our members of our party happy.
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: Then the communities re represent but speak issue. I'm really
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: looking forward to the review process that we do and
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: the new data and information that we get into to
• 32:00
  Speaker 14: land somewhere.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Well, let's talk about the new shadow cabinet.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Now, a number of winners and losers, but I want
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: to ask you firstly about just simp Nampa jimper Price,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: who's effectively been demoted. She's been handed the defense industry portfolio.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: It sees her out of the.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Shadow cabinet, she loses Indigenous affairs. Has her defection from
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: the Nationals failed?
• 32:20
  Speaker 14: Well, look, that's a question for just Center. I'm not
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: going to ask. I'm going to answer for her. But look,
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: I think it's good that she's spreading, you know, into
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: a different portfolio, which I think would be great for her.
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: She's a very talented woman, so I think she'll embrace
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: the new portfolio in the sense it's different from the
• 32:35
  Speaker 14: one she had. I think that's great news. But look,
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: she made a decision which disappointed us as Nats. But look,
• 32:40
  Speaker 14: you'd have to ask her that question.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Nationals Barnaby, Joyce and Matt Canavan, as well as Michael
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: McCormack were left out of the front bench. How much
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: of that has to do with their commentary about David
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: Little Proud's leadership.
• 32:55
  Speaker 14: Well, look again, you know, I'm not going to go
• 32:58
  Speaker 14: necessary into that. I mean, that's davis vision and he
• 33:00
  Speaker 14: has his reasons for that. I know that two of
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: the people that replaced obviously Barnaby was in shadow cabinet
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: Michael was in the Outer Ministry. So the two people
• 33:08
  Speaker 14: that replaced them are very much newer members to Parliament.
• 33:11
  Speaker 14: We have Ross Cadell who's a new senator who's going
• 33:14
  Speaker 14: into the Shadow Cabinet who'll make a great contribution. And
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: Pat Conahan has been promoted also to Assistant Treasurer. We're
• 33:20
  Speaker 14: really excited as that's to take up an economic portfolio
• 33:23
  Speaker 14: as Assistant Treasurer. But look, Barnaby and Michael, look we're
• 33:27
  Speaker 14: a pretty small team in that's and we're close colleagues
• 33:30
  Speaker 14: and I regard both of them as friends. And look
• 33:32
  Speaker 14: they have made amazing contributions in their parliamentary careers. I
• 33:36
  Speaker 14: mean they've both been Deputy Prime Minister. So look, being
• 33:38
  Speaker 14: a parliamentarian as a privilege. I'm we're all grateful just
• 33:41
  Speaker 14: to be parliamentarians. They will continue to make really important contributions.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: So I have no doubt David little Proud said today
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: it's all about generational change.
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: Barbaby Joyce has pointed out that.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: He's actually younger than you, for example, that's his words,
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: that they're not my words. So I mean, is it
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: just simply a case now of bad blood and especially
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: you've got Barnaby Joyce, the likes of Matt Canavan, who
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: are going to be really agitating for that net zero
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: twenty fifty target to be dropped.
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: Well, look again, David has his reasons and he has
• 34:12
  Speaker 14: said why he did this. And as I said, the
• 34:14
  Speaker 14: two people that are replacing Michael and Barnaby are quite
• 34:18
  Speaker 14: a lot newer entrance to Parliament and so that was
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: the reason that David said. So look they're going to
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: be exciting people into their new positions. Look, Matt is
• 34:27
  Speaker 14: going to get his teeth into netzer twenty fifty in
• 34:29
  Speaker 14: the review process that we do into that and I'm
• 34:31
  Speaker 14: looking forward to that and he'll make an amazing contribution
• 34:34
  Speaker 14: to that process. So you know, again, just the fact
• 34:36
  Speaker 14: you're a parliament terror means there's a lot to do,
• 34:38
  Speaker 14: a lot of committee work you can do as well
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: and having contribution to the parliamentary process and policy formulation process.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Just before we let you go, what's a pathway?
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: Is it time to just get back to business?
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: Look, I mean we have had a bit of introspection
• 34:56
  Speaker 14: over the last week and a half which was probably necessary,
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: but look we have a lot to take up this
• 35:01
  Speaker 14: labor government and there are Labor Greens government. As we know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 14: while they had to have a bigger majority in the
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: House of Reps in the Senate, they still need the
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: Greens to get everything through. So I think they are
• 35:11
  Speaker 14: going to be a dangerous socialist government, even more so
• 35:14
  Speaker 14: than last time, because there'd be a lot of hubris
• 35:16
  Speaker 14: and arrogance about them this time. So we have to
• 35:18
  Speaker 14: get our focus back on them and highlight what they're
• 35:22
  Speaker 14: doing to the Australian public in the Australian community.
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Kevin Hogan, thank you very much for joining me
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: on the show this evening.
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: Really appreciate it well.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump has accused Vladimir Pusin of playing with fire
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: as peace talks between Ukraine and Russia come to an
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: abrupt halt. Now Putin has clearly shown no intention of
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: ending the war. After Russia launched its largest ever drone
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: and missile assault on Ukraine overnight, Trump has indicated that
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: he is considering sanctions again against Moscow. Yet it was
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: just months ago, you remember he was actually blaming Ukraine
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: for starting the war, which is not true. Let's bring
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: in Australian Strategic Policy Institute senior analyst Malcolm Davis for
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: on this, Malcolm, thank you very much for joining me.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: Do you think that Donald Trump is finally realized that
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: Putin is the enemy here?
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Well? Hopefully, But you know, I dare to say that
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: we've been in this place before where Trump has talked tough,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: but then nothing has happened. So we'll see what happens
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: this time around. If he does impose tougher sanctions on Putin,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: if he does continue to support Ukraine militarily or even
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: expand that support, that would be a very good thing.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, Trump is also talking about
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: potentially walking away from Ukraine. That would involve canceling military
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: assistance Ukraine and even intelligence sharing. That would leave Kiev
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: in a very vulnerable situation. So I think yet to
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: be convinced that Trump has actually seen the life on Putin.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: But why now, do you think? Why the shift in
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: tone now?
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: It was only you know, two months ago Trump was
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: saying that Ukraine started the war, which is not the case.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: We saw the dressing down of the Ukrainian president of
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: the White House.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Why now, I.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Think these big attacks by the Russians on Kiev and
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: other Ukrainian cities were essentially a proverbial slap in the
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: face for Donald Trump by Putin. You know, Trump has
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: been using dialogue and negotiation through his Secretary of State
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: and Keith Kellogg and others to try and bring about
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: negotiations towards the ceasefire that he can then claim credit for,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and then Putin goes and launches these massive attacks on
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Kiev to basically draw home the message to Trump that
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Putin is simply not interested in peace. So I think
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: that Trump was probably in the sense by that, given
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: his nature and his approach to how he handles negotiations
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in a transactional sense. So he's now biting back. But
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: as I said, what really matters is is he all
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: bite or is he someun buck If he if he
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: essentially just does nothing beyond harsh words, then Putin will
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: laugh in his face.
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: What's the best that we can expect now? Is it
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: a ceasefire? And if Trump simply cannot actually broke a
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: deal or some sort of piece here, then what's he
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: achieved really in this conflict?
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Look, I wouldn't get your hopesulf about a cease fire
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: because Putin is not interested in a cease fire. It
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: takes two to tango. Putin basically believes he's winning militarily.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: He's building up his forces for a summer offense around
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Harkiv and to expand his control of territories in don
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: yetskn Enhance. So I don't anticipate a ceasefire at all
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: in the next year. Really, I think that Putin plans
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to win militarily. He hopes to wait out and essentially
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: outlast Trump's resolve and patience in the hope that Trump
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: then walks away from Ukraine, abandoning Ukraine to its fate
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: at the hands of the Russians. And I think that
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: the likely scenario going forward is essentially continued Russian attacks,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: continued expansion of their offensive into Ukraine, more of these
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: devastating attacks by Russia against Ukrainian cities, and Trump will
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: basically have to put up or shut up.
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a fair call, Malcolm Davis. We have to
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: leave it there.
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining us on the show this evening.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Appreciate it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: Coming up after the break, my panel will discuss the
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: fresh debate over.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Acknowledgment of country.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: That's next, Welcome back, Let's bring it out panel now,
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand and columnist Justin Smith in Melbourne.
• 39:40
  Speaker 15: Height of both of you joining me now, I want
• 39:44
  Speaker 15: a line up this right, start, start, well.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: This is a this is a phenomenal line up this evening.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: I feel a pleasure. It feels a pleasure to be
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: amongst you both.
• 39:52
  Speaker 15: Certainly the better looking line up, I would.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: Agree with that.
• 39:55
  Speaker 16: Absolutely standards to shut through the roof.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: Well exactly, look out, Chris Kenny.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Now look we're going to start, of course with the Coalition,
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: the band, they're back together. It was really all smiles
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: between Susan Lee and David Little Proud today.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I've got to say, Joe, they were admiring each other.
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: They were both really flooding.
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, yeah, compliments. But what do you make of
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the shadow ministry. We've got the biggest losers Jane Hume,
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Sarah Henderson, just Cinta Nampajim for price as well. But
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: you've also got Barnaby Joyce, Michael McCormack, no roles for
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: them there. What do you make of the lineup?
• 40:29
  Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think obviously Michael McCormack and Barnaby Joyce
• 40:32
  Speaker 15: have both been making noises about David Little Prowd's leadership.
• 40:35
  Speaker 15: So it's probably no surprise that he didn't put their
• 40:38
  Speaker 15: names forward for the coalition's quota. I think probably a
• 40:41
  Speaker 15: mistake to have just enter Price, I would say, anywhere
• 40:44
  Speaker 15: but Indigenous affairs. I think she's such a strong communicator
• 40:48
  Speaker 15: in that portfolio, and she's one of the people who
• 40:51
  Speaker 15: this is something that's usually sort of the domain of
• 40:53
  Speaker 15: the left, and she is someone who is one hundredercent authentic,
• 40:56
  Speaker 15: who can secure it without the slightest hint of or
• 40:59
  Speaker 15: whiff of kind of racism or paternalism or whatever. So
• 41:02
  Speaker 15: that's a powerful weapon that the Coalition has and hasn't
• 41:05
  Speaker 15: often had throughout history, and they're just not deploying her
• 41:08
  Speaker 15: where she needs to be. I thought putting her in
• 41:10
  Speaker 15: charge of the government that weird Doze role as a
• 41:13
  Speaker 15: mistake as well. So I think that's a bit of
• 41:15
  Speaker 15: a mistake. I think Jane Hume a bit a bit
• 41:19
  Speaker 15: rough as well. I know she had a pretty bad
• 41:22
  Speaker 15: campaign from home policy the word from home policy obviously
• 41:25
  Speaker 15: was a debarcle. But you know, she is a senior,
• 41:29
  Speaker 15: a very senior figure in the coalition. She's got a
• 41:32
  Speaker 15: lot of experience. She's a senior woman in a party
• 41:35
  Speaker 15: that is trying to increase its appeal to women, So
• 41:39
  Speaker 15: I thought that was a bit of a funny one
• 41:40
  Speaker 15: as well.
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, no, look I do agree with you and that
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I thought that it was an interesting one to dump
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: Jane Hume justin what are your thoughts on this new lineup?
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Is there the right mix? Has Susan Lee strike the
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: right balance here?
• 41:56
  Speaker 8: Yeah?
• 41:57
  Speaker 16: Well, on I mean, look, there's winners and losers. We
• 41:59
  Speaker 16: always talk about the winners and losers in this, but
• 42:01
  Speaker 16: I would think after the campaign that both the Nationals
• 42:06
  Speaker 16: and Liberals have had and the result they got an
• 42:08
  Speaker 16: election night, I'd say any of them are probably happy
• 42:10
  Speaker 16: to have any gig in any way, shape or form
• 42:14
  Speaker 16: at the moment, and will probably just I would if
• 42:16
  Speaker 16: it was me, I'd probably just shut my gap and
• 42:18
  Speaker 16: say thank you very much and just believe it. It's
• 42:20
  Speaker 16: that to be honest, after that campaign. But I think,
• 42:23
  Speaker 16: I mean, it's always going to be interesting, whether it's
• 42:26
  Speaker 16: in government or opposition. And they put a new team together,
• 42:30
  Speaker 16: particularly after they've had a loss like this and there's
• 42:32
  Speaker 16: been some soul searching. It's what happens after the first
• 42:36
  Speaker 16: and I'll hold my fingers up in quotation marks. After
• 42:40
  Speaker 16: the first crisis, after the first gap, after the first problem,
• 42:44
  Speaker 16: you know what happens after that, who's sort of who
• 42:47
  Speaker 16: were the old enemies like the Barnaby Joyces for example,
• 42:50
  Speaker 16: that are sticking their head up and destabilizing. I'm not
• 42:54
  Speaker 16: saying it's going to be him that will do it,
• 42:56
  Speaker 16: but you know what I mean, when that first trouble
• 42:58
  Speaker 16: comes along, that's where you really see the new team
• 43:00
  Speaker 16: goes absolutely.
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: Look, I mean, look, they need to come together. We
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: need an effective opposition. So given the benefit of the doubt,
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: hopefully that this the brief divorce, means they're actually back together.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: It's very married.
• 43:13
  Speaker 15: I think that is a very definition of optivism.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: That is, that is beautiful.
• 43:17
  Speaker 15: I've got that, Pollyanna, I thought, just keeping it by heart.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: If there's no place like that, I reckon they'd be lucky.
• 43:25
  Speaker 15: To make it to the next financial dream.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Joe, all right, let's keep the romance alive here for
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: goodness that. Now, look, let's talk about Victoria's machete ban.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: It came into force at mid day today. I mean,
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: you know, it came into force at midday today. And well, firstly,
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: justin what's been the reaction over there, I just think
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: it's extraordinary that there wasn't a machete ban in the
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: first place, for the fact that there was a couple
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: of days grace. So machetes have gone up in sales.
• 43:52
  Speaker 4: But what's been the reaction to this crime crackdown?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, look on.
• 43:56
  Speaker 16: I think the reaction from most people is that, look,
• 43:59
  Speaker 16: it's a good thing. I mean, if if it actually works,
• 44:02
  Speaker 16: if you do get the machetes out of the hands
• 44:04
  Speaker 16: of the wrong people, and hey, that that's that's terrific,
• 44:07
  Speaker 16: and that's that's yet to be seen. But I think
• 44:09
  Speaker 16: if anybody is looking at this as the solution, as
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: any form of silver bullet or silver machete, if you will,
• 44:16
  Speaker 16: you know, if they're looking at this and saying, oh, great,
• 44:18
  Speaker 16: this will fix all the problems, they'd be kidding themselves.
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: I think anybody would, anyone with half a brain would
• 44:23
  Speaker 16: know that. You know, it's going to be it's going
• 44:25
  Speaker 16: to have to be part of a much much broader conversation.
• 44:28
  Speaker 16: And sometimes I'm not saying that this is what the
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: Allen government has done, but you know, sometimes there's that
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: little quick fix, that sugarheait of a band aid solution.
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: Sorry to mix my metaphors there where they just think, oh,
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: this will be right, this will.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Fix it all up.
• 44:41
  Speaker 16: It's not going to happen, you know, it's got to
• 44:44
  Speaker 16: There's got to be a lot more to it.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: But the thing is is that Joe, you know, just
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: Allan has known for a long time that youth crime
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: is a problem.
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: This is not new.
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: This is not something that she has sprung up upon
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: her after the incidents over the weekend.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: What game is she playing that?
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: Now?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 44:58
  Speaker 15: Well I think there's a couple of things. I mean
• 44:59
  Speaker 15: one is obviously youth crime and knife crime has been
• 45:02
  Speaker 15: a huge problem for years in Victoria. And yet it
• 45:04
  Speaker 15: seems it was only when some madman ran up and
• 45:07
  Speaker 15: down Chapel Street in the leafy, well heeled suburb of
• 45:10
  Speaker 15: Poran and South Yarra that the machete band started being
• 45:15
  Speaker 15: talked about seriously and now here it is. But as
• 45:17
  Speaker 15: Justin says, you know, as if there's going to be
• 45:20
  Speaker 15: you know, gangs of youths who are completely fearless when
• 45:25
  Speaker 15: it comes to actually being locked up and incarcerated or
• 45:27
  Speaker 15: denied bail because they know that they're going to be
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: sprung as soon as the cops drag him in front
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: of a magistrate or even not a magistrate. And also,
• 45:35
  Speaker 15: of course if you've still got you know, gangs which
• 45:38
  Speaker 15: are operating where you know, in order to get ahead,
• 45:41
  Speaker 15: if it's part of your peer group, and you're being
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: pressured to go in these gangs for whatever reasons, if
• 45:45
  Speaker 15: it's poverty or there is an ethnic element to it,
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: or whatever it may be, whatever reasons that whatever desperation
• 45:51
  Speaker 15: as if you're going to go, oh, look, I was
• 45:53
  Speaker 15: going to go and join you in your carjacking enterprise,
• 45:56
  Speaker 15: but because I can't get a machete anymore, I'm not.
• 45:59
  Speaker 15: Or I was going. I was about to violently assault
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: that rival gang member or rob that kid for a
• 46:05
  Speaker 15: pair of nikes, but now I can't get a machete,
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: so I'm not. Of course, that's not going to happen.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: There are way.
• 46:12
  Speaker 15: Unless you've ban all weapons everywhere for all time, and
• 46:15
  Speaker 15: no one can chop up their vegetables anymore. Of course,
• 46:17
  Speaker 15: that is not going to solve the problem unless you
• 46:19
  Speaker 15: solve it at its source. And the problem is that
• 46:21
  Speaker 15: a tough enough approach has not been taken. It's been
• 46:24
  Speaker 15: allowed to blossom and bloom in Melbourne and Victoria and
• 46:28
  Speaker 15: now you're sort of parking an ambulance at the bottom.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Of a cliff.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: I think that's a really good way to put it.
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: And this is just the problem. Youth crime's not new.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: It's not just happening in Victoria. Of course, It's happening
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: all over the country right now. And there's a lot
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: of questions to be answered at different different authorities, the
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: justice system, parents.
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: It's such a multifaceted issue. Now. Look, there's a fresh
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: debate over.
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: Welcome to country and acknowledgment of country, this time in Tasmania.
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: Flinders Island Counselor Gary Blencorn has called for an end
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: to acknowledgments, saying they've served their purpose and it's actually
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: time to move on.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: We'll look justin We hear this a lot.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think I've been saying this for a while.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: I think that they should end. I think we all
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: sit there very politely and listen to them. It's been
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: going on for a long time.
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: But more.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Fine with it?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: What more calls amounting? What do you think?
• 47:15
  Speaker 8: You know?
• 47:17
  Speaker 16: Look, the fact that we're having this debate pushes vomit
• 47:22
  Speaker 16: to the back of my throat. I'm disgusted that we're
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: even talking about it because the debate began, the recent
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: debate began when some Nazis were yelling out in the
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: crowd at the dawn service.
• 47:33
  Speaker 14: And I know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 16: Because I was the MC of this has been standing time.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
• 47:39
  Speaker 14: It's not.
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: This new debate about the welcome to country and the
• 47:43
  Speaker 16: acknowledgment to country has crept up because of the Nazis.
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: And I'll tell you what hasn't just that's rights to
• 47:49
  Speaker 16: send the debate in Australia.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Let me have it out idea.
• 47:54
  Speaker 16: It's got the fact that if Nazis, if Nazis can
• 47:56
  Speaker 16: set the debate in this country, then we are lost.
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: And the fact that they started this debate again and
• 48:03
  Speaker 16: then they poured that into the election campaign should make
• 48:06
  Speaker 16: us all ashamed and sick that that that that happened.
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: I think it's outrageous.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: I know it has.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: Nothing to do it has nothing to do with Nazis.
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: This debate has been going on for a verythting.
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: It certainly certainly going on beforehand, but the fact that
• 48:25
  Speaker 15: it escalated and escalated dramatically after that appalling display at
• 48:30
  Speaker 15: the shrine.
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: I agree. I don't think it should have happened.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: But to me that is actually ground.
• 48:34
  Speaker 15: So you know what, I did think it was a
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: bit much before. But because you scum sucking neo Nazi
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: decided to violate the most sacred right of the Australian
• 48:42
  Speaker 15: National Calendar just for you, I reckon we should double them.
• 48:46
  Speaker 15: I reckon we should triple them just to put you
• 48:48
  Speaker 15: in your box and the factory.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: It shouldn't have been done on that day.
• 48:51
  Speaker 4: But the point is is that people have been talking
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: about this for years now.
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: When you sit there and some of them go for eight.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: Nine minutes at a time and at the worst possible
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: times as well, that that is the issue. Look, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: just I disagree. Unfortunately, actually would I would like to
• 49:08
  Speaker 4: have debated this longer. I'm going to shut it down now.
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: Unfortunately we've run out of time. Justin and Joe, good
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: to have you both.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me. Peter Kredline is next. Good night,