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Judge to decide whether Camp Mystic lawsuits can be settled out of court · Austin Signal

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A judge in Travis County is expected
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to decide soon whether Camp Mystic
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and its owners can settle out of
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court, wrongful death lawsuits
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stemming from last year's deadly
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summer flooding.
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The families want jury trials, but
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the owners want arbitration, more
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details, and visitors to
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Big Bend National Park are hoping to
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catch a glimpse before the protected
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region changes.
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The Trump administration has been
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pushing on again off again plans for
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a border wall through the park.
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More about those stories coming up
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on today's show.
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The Austin Signal is a production
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of KUT News, hosted by
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Jerry Quijano.
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Plus, an event this week identifying
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and highlighting Asian artists in
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Austin is taking on an added
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function, raising funds for some
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of their own involved in an accident
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while trying to pursue their art.
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Austin Creates Together and
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the Recovery for P.
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Lander Z, those stories up
0:56
next here on Austin Signal.
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Bye.
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Howdy out there, you are tuned in
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to Austin Signal.
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I'm your host, Jerry Kikano.
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It is Tuesday, June 9th.
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Thank you for listening and making
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us part of your day.
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A Travis County judge is expected to
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decide tomorrow whether Camp Mystic
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and its owners can settle wrongful
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death lawsuits out of court.
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Families of the girls who died at
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the Kerr County camp in last
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summer's catastrophic floods want
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jury trials for the five cases.
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The camp's owners, however, say the
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cases should be settled through
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arbitration, pointing to an
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agreement parents signed when
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registering their daughters for the
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camp.
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KUT's Williamson County reporter
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Kaylee Hunt has been following the
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latest developments in this story,
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and she is back with us in the
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studio. Hi, Kaylee.
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Hey, Jerry.
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So can you please bring us up to
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speed? What has happened so far with
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these lawsuits?
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Yeah. So what we heard earlier this
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spring was that, you know, the judge
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was ordering Camp Mystic to
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preserve some of the cabins that
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were involved in last summer's
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flooding.
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Shortly after those hearings,
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Camp Mystik filed a motion
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requesting arbitration,
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and that took place on
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March 24th.
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And then last month, on May
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13th, we were actually
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set to resolve that issue.
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Judge My Gator Gamble was
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I'm going to rule on whether or not
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the camp would be able to take that
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behind closed doors or move forward
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as a, you know, a, a public,
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public lawsuit.
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Yeah. Um, however,
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hours before that hearing,
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talking midnight, uh, before that
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hearing began, the camp withdrew
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that initial original motion
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and then refiled amended ones,
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um, and so that essentially
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delayed, um this whole conversation
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of arbitration.
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You report the camp's owners say
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that the parents sign arbitration
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provisions when they register their
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kids for camp.
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What do we know about those
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agreements?
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Yeah, well, you know, we sign
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arbitration agreements like this
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all the time, many times
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unknowingly, right.
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I'm guessing so, yeah.
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Yeah, you know cell phones
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your employment contracts We do it
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all the time and I mean it's
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it's especially common in situations
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like these you know where parents
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are signing their kids up for summer
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camp and so what we
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know specifically about
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the arbitration clause
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and camp Mystics contract was that
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it stated that parents who had an
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issue or Conflict with the camp or
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one of its employees that they
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essentially must try and sort them
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out in private out of court
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without a lawsuit by a qualified
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third party or arbitrator.
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However, there's legal debate,
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right, as to whether or not that
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clause is enforceable just
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given the seriousness of the
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allegations of negligence against
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the camp and its employees.
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Why might the camp prefer to
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do this through arbitration
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rather than through a jury trial?
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Yeah.
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Well, you know, obviously there's a
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lot of public interest in
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this case.
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The media's been all over it.
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The courtroom has just been packed
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full of spectators each time
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there's been a hearing related
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to these cases.
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And so, you can't presume
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to know what is going
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through the camp owner's minds, but
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I would assume a lot it would have
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to do with protecting their
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reputation, not having
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to rehash and relive.
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Much of the trauma that took place
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last summer out in public,
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because obviously they lived through
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the event as well and had
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one of their family members die.
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So yeah, I think
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protecting their reputation, having
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the ability to do it behind closed
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doors and in private.
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Yeah, and on the flip side of that,
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why would the parents want to pursue
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the jury trials?
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Right. So, you know, the parents
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who are suing the camp have been
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pretty adamant from the beginning,
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you know about seeking public
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accountability for
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what happened to their daughters.
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They've been very outspoken.
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Again, they're the ones who've been
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packing the courtroom throughout all
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these hearings.
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And so, yeah, I think they're
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very, I
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would assume would believe that,
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you a jury of their peers.
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Go through that fact-finding process
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out in public not
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behind closed doors that perhaps
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they're getting more accountability
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Have we seen any indication
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yet on how the judge may rule in
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this case?
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What are you watching for next?
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Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously
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there's lots of legal debate on this
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topic, so really could go either
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way.
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We do know there's the vested public
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interest. I think the judge
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acknowledges that she's been very
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open and to the
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media being there and in the
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courtroom and having spectators.
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She was not happy when Camp Mystic
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withdrew that original
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motion for arbitration and refiled
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it, um, delaying that,
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uh, she, you know, wasn't happy with
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that tactic, but Um, yeah,
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we will see tomorrow what she
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ultimately decides.
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All right, that is Kaylee Hunt.
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She is KUT's Williamson County
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reporter. She will continue
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following this story and will bring
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you the latest updates right here on
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KUT News and Austin Signal.
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Kaylee, thanks for being here.
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Thanks, Jerry.
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Over half a million people
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visit Big Ben National Park each
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year, plenty of those visitors
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traveling right here from the Austin
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area.
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One of the biggest reasons why
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people say they head to Big Ben,
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the park's natural beauty,
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scenery, and solitude far,
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far away from the busy
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city life.
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So the federal government's
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on-again, off-again plans to build a
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border wall through the park has
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visitors hoping to catch one
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last glimpse before the protected
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region changes.
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Which in turn has made the need for
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repairs to visitor lodging and other
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popular park areas more apparent.
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Those federally funded renovation
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plans are also in limbo.
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The Texas Standards Justin Doud
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visited Big Ben to explore the
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potential impact of those delays.
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Known for its rugged and remote
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desert beauty, Big Bend National
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Park is not for the faint of heart.
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It's bigger than Rhode Island, with
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hundreds of miles of paved and dirt
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roads weaving through rough terrain
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and shifting elevation.
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In 2024, the park welcomed
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just half a million visitors,
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less than 5% of what the most
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visited park sees annually,
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but for those Texans and dedicated
7:31
travelers that commit to the
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journey. The reward is
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spectacular.
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Big Bend is recognized globally as
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one of the best places on Earth to
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stargaze because of the low light
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pollution.
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And the rare curve in the river's
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flow, the park's namesake,
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creates stunning vistas in one of
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world's most pristine ecological
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preserves.
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The park's most popular stopover is
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the Chezos Mountain Basin,
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accessible only by one narrow,
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curvy two-lane road.
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At the end of that seven-mile
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stretch, the only in-park lodging
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sits alongside a
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food truck.
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The only hot meal for tens of miles
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in any direction.
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In all honesty, surrounded by
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stunning views and breathtaking
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scenery, the Lodge building is
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not much to look at.
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It's rundown, with shingles missing
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from rooftops and a foundation
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crumbling below.
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There's holes in this overhang
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right here.
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You can tell that the buildings
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are just smaller and
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older.
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The interiors are definitely dated.
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You know, you can tell that they've,
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again, they've done the best that
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they can, but you know, you look at
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the the bed spreads and such and
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it's like, is that clean?
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Liz Turner was visiting from Austin.
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This was her first trip to Big Bend,
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and she was staying in one of the
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lodge's classic motel rooms.
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She's far from the only one who
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thinks the 1964 lodge is
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overdue for a facelift.
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In fact, Lauren Reimer, the
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executive director of the non-profit
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Big Bend Conservancy, says it goes
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far beyond that.
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It needs serious structural repairs.
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There's portions of the foundation
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that are cracking.
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And if you even just look at the
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backside of the lodge, you can kind
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of see an area where it looks like
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it's just about to fall off
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the hill. We always kind of joke
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that you could roll a tomato down
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the floor or it should just
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keep going.
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That's why, under a 2020 bill
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benefiting the National Park
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Service, Big Bend was slated to
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receive more than $75 million
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in federal funds to repair the
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lodge and the Chezos Basin water
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infrastructure, two separate
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projects addressing urgent needs in
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the area.
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The repairs would have forced the
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section of the park to close for up
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to two years.
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That was set to begin May 1st.
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Tourists from across the state and
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country made reservations ahead
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of the closure, looking to visit the
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hot spot before it shuttered to the
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public. Turner was one of those.
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Big Bent had been on my list for a
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while, and then I had heard,
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there was a combination of hearing
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about this section going to
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be closed for two years, combined
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with putting up the wall.
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I was like, well, I better hurry up
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and get out here and see it.
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But in early April, just a month
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before construction was set to
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begin, the National Park Service
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abruptly called off the projects,
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citing substantial budget
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shortfalls.
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No further information was given,
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and the park's website still
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includes the project plans with a
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May 1st closure date listed,
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just under a one-line banner
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announcing the project's
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cancelation.
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I don't think the park service at
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this point knows what
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it's going to do.
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I will say the
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decision was made by the national
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office, not by the park.
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And I think the Park is
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having to now explain
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it to people and answer
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questions of what are you going to
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do. And frankly, I don't think
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they have the
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control over the answers to those
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questions right now.
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That's Bob Krumenaker, the park
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superintendent from 2018 to
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2023, and one of the people
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who worked on plans for the
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renovations to begin.
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He says the decision to fund the
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renovators now was long
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overdue.
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Well, it was actually a sense of
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urgency. So it wasn't necessarily
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something that I wanted to
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do. It was something that
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thought I had to do." To reach
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the Chizos Mountains basin, water
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is carried from Oak Spring at the
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base up 1,300 feet through
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pipes laid decades ago.
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Pipes that some advocates say were
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already used before they were laid
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way back then.
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Crewman Acres says the basin's water
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infrastructure is already decades
11:25
past its life expectancy,
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and repairs are needed now more than
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ever in the face of severe drought.
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So the leakage continues.
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The need for additional storage
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continues.
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And so hopefully the delay
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of water project will
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not be too long because
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the risk is catastrophic
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failure at some point.
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And then you
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may have no water at all.
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And whatever visitor activity and
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facilities you have up there will be
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really in a tremendous bind.
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And from a fire management
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perspective,
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FIREFIGHTING
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That would also be-
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a serious consideration.
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The planned renovations were already
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a scaled-down version of what park
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leaders think is needed long-term.
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The idea was to buy the National
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Park Service 10-20 more years of
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water access while they found the
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money for a more permanent fix.
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Now, even that Band-Aid
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is being withheld.
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Big Bend Conservancy's Lauren Reamer
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said the decision to wait was made
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after the price estimate for lodge
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renovations came in at nearly double
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what was originally allocated.
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And that the water project can
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hopefully resume as soon as it's bid
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back out separate from the lodge
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restoration.
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That process, however, could have
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its own problems, raising questions
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over the logistics and cost of
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separating the two pursuits.
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Ideally, all of this would
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happen at once
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and that's
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primarily to avoid
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having multiple closures
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in the basin over the year.
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All of those water lines, anything
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that has a flushing toilet,
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a running faucet, has a pipe that
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runs to it under the ground.
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So renovating those water lines
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is going to create quite a bit
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of disruption in the basin.
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Um because you know those things are
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going to have to be dug up to be
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replaced.
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Some local residents view the delay
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as a step in the right direction.
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James Evans, a photographer who
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lives near Big Bend, believes the
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area should remain preserved and
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undeveloped.
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To Evans, the initial construction
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in the basin was a negative from the
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outset.
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It's just one example of the broad
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range of perspectives facing the
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park today.
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This shakeup is the latest in a
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string of changes for the National
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Park Service.
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Big Bend National Park is one of the
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many NPS sites nationwide facing
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severe staffing shortages.
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Former Superintendent Bob Krumenaker
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says three of the park's five
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division chief positions are
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currently without a permanent
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appointment, including the head of
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maintenance, and the park doesn't
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have a deputy superintendent,
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the second-in-command.
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Add-in proposed budget cuts that
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would slash already reduced NPS
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funding by nearly a order.
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As visitation numbers reach record
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highs nationwide, and advocates
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say Big Bend is in a difficult spot.
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In the meantime, the pipes continue
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to leak, and concerns over the
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park's ability to combat dangerous
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fire seasons continue to grow,
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with no word on when or if
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the projects will be reinstated.
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The National Park Service declined
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to answer specific questions, but
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a spokesperson said the agency is
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continuing to evaluate the best path
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forward for both projects.
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For the Texas Standard,
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I'm Justin Dow.
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And you are listening to
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Austin Signal right here on
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community powered public radio KUT
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news.
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There's more from us coming up
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right after this break.
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This is Austin Signal, I'm Jerry
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Quijano, thank you for tuning in.
14:59
Late last month, Austin-based band
15:01
P-Lander Z was in a severe car
15:03
accident, hospitalizing all three of
15:05
its members.
15:06
The Japanese-American punk rock band
15:08
known for their colorful attire
15:10
antics and larger-than-life
15:11
personalities were just starting out
15:13
on their North American tour.
15:15
The outpouring of support from fans
15:17
and musicians from the Austin area
15:19
in the wake of that crash was
15:20
enormous, and underscored the impact
15:22
of art and culture from artists of
15:24
Asian descent here in the city.
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To help catalog that impact,
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the Austin Creates Together survey
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was created, and this Thursday
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out at Hope Outdoor Gallery there
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will be an event for the survey, and
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at the same time to raise money for
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P. Landersy's recovery.
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The event is hosted by The Lunar
15:40
Foundation, a non-profit created to
15:42
promote education, awareness, and
15:44
celebration of the arts, history,
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and culture of Asian-American,
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Native, Hawaiian, and Pacific
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Islanders.
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Joining us now to talk more about
15:52
that is Erika DiParini-Sugars,
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Head of Programs at the Foundation.
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Erika, welcome to the show.
15:57
Thank you so much.
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So, tell us more about this survey,
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why did you want to do it and who is
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it for?
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Great. Yeah, we're really excited
16:04
about the survey.
16:05
We created it with
16:07
support from Nielsen and their
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Data for Good project.
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I guess it started because,
16:14
like most cultural organizations, we
16:16
wanted to make sure that
16:18
our programs and services continue
16:20
to be aligned with the community
16:22
that we're serving.
16:22
And we are an organization that
16:24
serves AANHPI
16:27
artists and culture.
16:29
And what we realized is, one,
16:31
there's not a lot of data.
16:33
Local data about the
16:35
state of artists generally,
16:37
and there are lots of pockets here
16:39
in this creative city of Austin.
16:42
And also, you know,
16:44
Austin's Asian American population
16:46
is growing quickly, as it is
16:48
in most big cities in
16:50
America.
16:51
And actually, there was a study that
16:53
the Greater Austin Asian
16:56
Chamber of Commerce did Last
16:58
year 2025 called
16:59
the Central Texas Asian Impact
17:01
Project, which really studied
17:03
the shift of Asian Americans into
17:05
Central Texas and found
17:07
that we are now
17:09
a population of about 9%.
17:12
But in the 15 years,
17:14
we've grown almost 71%.
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And with that shift is
17:19
really where the
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demographics are going, who is
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coming in, and also get a better
17:25
sense of what their priorities
17:26
economically as well
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are.
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But there's not a lot of data on
17:31
artists and arts
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within, I would say,
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the community and the culture
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of Asian-Americans and
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the sort of artistic influence
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just seems to be very lacking.
17:44
So that's kind of why we put the
17:45
survey together, is like we are all
17:47
artists ourselves.
17:48
We struggle in our arts.
17:50
And I've worked with artists for a
17:51
long time. And we've heard things
17:53
anecdotally.
17:54
But we really wanted to figure out
17:55
what the data tells us right now.
17:57
Yeah, and how did you go about
17:59
starting to reach out and find these
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people in these communities?
18:02
Well, one, I think it was
18:04
helpful to be partnered with
18:06
GACC, and they're
18:08
a partner with some of our programs,
18:10
particularly our nightmarket.fun
18:13
program.
18:14
And that really is a program, it
18:16
was our tent pole program when we
18:17
started the organization and really
18:19
is modeled after sort of the
18:20
Asian-style night markets.
18:23
But the idea is to bring together
18:25
performing artists, visual
18:27
artists, culinary artists, So
18:29
it's really a gathering place of
18:31
different artists.
18:32
But with those connections and with
18:34
this data, we really wanted to say,
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hey, let's look at artists
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across disciplines,
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but also people of all levels.
18:42
We are also thinking like, wow,
18:44
a thriving arts community is
18:46
also what happens
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around artists.
18:50
Who supports them?
18:51
How do they engage audiences?
18:53
What does public engagement look
18:54
like?
18:55
So we're hoping to
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survey both.
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OK. And then the
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Asian-American, Native Hawaiian,
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Pacific Islander artists of
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all, like I said, of all levels, but
19:06
also kind of the general public
19:08
across Austin,
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central Texas,
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anybody who engages with art as
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a patron, as
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a music buyer, go to
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clubs, go-to-art festivals,
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how are they supporting
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the ecosystem
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for artists?
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Yeah, and how they're interacting
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with it as well.
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Okay, so is that open to anyone?
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Anybody can fill that out.
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Yes, so anybody can fill out the
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survey. And then there's a
19:36
particular, if you answer that
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you're an artist, there are a number
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of questions that kind of lead you
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towards like understanding your
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art and your practice.
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Okay, cool. We're going to have more
19:44
about that survey in today's
19:47
show notes. I wanted to talk a
19:48
little bit now about P.
19:49
Lander Z. The band members go by
19:51
different stage names, Tiger
19:52
Pink and Yellow.
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Yellow was actually featured at one
19:55
of your previous events.
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Tell us a little more about them.
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Yeah, I mean, P.
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Landers is a great kind
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of example of like the kinds of
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artists that we have in Central
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Texas and Austin.
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Amazing, kind of come together in
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performance, visual,
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music, it's kind of like, the best
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and bright of all things.
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And they're Asian American descent
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and we're really excited about
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having them in our community.
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But Yellow is a visual artist as and
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his art was featured
20:23
in our Nightmarket.fun,
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our inaugural event.
20:27
It was really great having him here
20:29
for that.
20:30
But we heard through our network
20:32
while we were putting together the
20:34
launch event for the survey, we
20:35
heard about this horrible accident.
20:37
And so, of course, we wanted to
20:38
mobilize our network, our community,
20:41
to point them to the GoFundMe
20:43
page. And we did that.
20:46
And so we had
20:47
this event that we were putting it
20:48
together anyway.
20:50
We talked with their management.
20:51
They were really excited that we
20:53
were interested in potentially
20:54
putting this as part of
20:56
our event.
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And actually, it's very fitting.
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It's like we want to, one,
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uplift the visibility of our
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Asian American artists, but also,
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you know, come and support and serve
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when our artists' community needs
21:11
us, so.
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Yeah, so it's a launch party that's
21:13
also become a benefit and still
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attacking those same goals What can
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folks expect if they're gonna head
21:18
out there Thursday at the Hope
21:20
outdoor gallery?
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Yeah, it's free.
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It starts at five.
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It's free and it's for all ages.
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There are going to be
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survey stations there so
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people can engage with the survey on
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site.
21:32
It is kind of a longer survey as I
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said. So, you know, people have
21:35
questions, people want to engage
21:36
there.
21:37
There'll be music.
21:39
We have DJ Angel
21:41
Mixed in Rivera and we
21:43
also have a couple of
21:45
dance demonstrations.
21:46
So we have a Bollywood demonstration
21:48
around 5.30.
21:50
With Kush ATX, and
21:52
then a K-pop
21:54
kind of lesson later on in
21:56
the evening, about 6.30,
21:57
with Aurora Z, the
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dance company.
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So we wanna get people active
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and engaged, engage with the survey,
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but engage with the Asian
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American artist community.
22:08
But all are welcome, and then there
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is gonna be a benefit table
22:12
that has Peelander Z merch,
22:14
and all the proceeds of that will be
22:16
going to their recovery fund.
22:18
As well as we'll have
22:20
stations set up so that people can
22:22
donate to their GoFundMe.
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All right, that is this Thursday out
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at Hope Outdoor Gallery.
22:28
We have been speaking with Erika
22:29
DiParini-Sugars, head of programs
22:31
at the Lutner Foundation.
22:33
Erika, thank you for your time.
22:34
Thank you so much.
22:36
And before we let you go,
22:38
Austin FC is getting a new head
22:40
coach. The club announced the hiring
22:41
of Jim Curtin, who spent a decade in
22:43
charge of the Philadelphia Union.
22:45
He won the 2020 Supporters Shield
22:47
and earned Major League Soccer Coach
22:49
of the Year in 2020 and
22:51
22.
22:52
Interim head coach David Arnoud will
22:54
remain in charge for the rest of the
22:56
current season with Curtin taking
22:57
over ahead of the 2027
22:59
MLS season.
23:01
And World Cup 2026 kicks off
23:03
Thursday as Mexico takes on South
23:04
Africa.
23:05
Juan Diego Garcia from the KUT
23:07
podcast Vamos Verde will be on
23:09
the show tomorrow with the preview
23:11
of the action happening here in
23:12
Texas. That is it for
23:15
us on today's show.
23:16
There's more from us at KUT.org
23:19
slash Signal. But we will be back at
23:21
the same time tomorrow.
23:22
And we'll talk to you then.
23:24
Have a great day.