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You Don't Have To Walk Through Loss Alone With Kelsi and Alyson · She Speaks Life - Christian Women, Strengthen Your Faith, Bible Study, Grow Spiritually In Christ

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  Hi listeners. Welcome to the.
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  She speaks live podcast a weekly encouragement where we share our
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  God's stories. I'm your host.
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  Jamie Elizabeth and I am so glad you are spending time with us
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  today to listen. Hi friend, welcome back to she
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  speaks Life podcast. I have with me two guests today.
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  Kelsey Cole and Allison Brown, they are both founders of for
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  known Ministries which supports mom's finding healing in Jesus
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  after pregnancy or infant loss. If you have gone through this or
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  relationally challenged spiritually and walk away.
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  Having talked about and processed through one of life's
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  most difficult and not discussed very much on pregnancy or infant
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  loss. I highly recommend hopping on
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  their website. Which I'll have in the show
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  notes and sign up. It will bring you so much
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  comfort healing renewal and hope as Kelsey and Alison have both
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  walked through the loss of a baby and they know how it feels
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  and the process. It takes to heal.
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  They are both going to talk about each of their experiences
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  and what they saw God do and their lives through this
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  tragedy. Hi Kelsey and Allison.
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  Thank you for coming. Here I'm gu thank you for having
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  us. Yeah.
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  Well I mean, I can't imagine walking through this.
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  The only thing I could say is I had a miscarriage at one month.
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  I was only a month along and not was devastating.
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  And I just remember it was over Christmas and that was supposed
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  to be joyful and happy, and it was just full of tears for me.
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  And so I just I want to say thank you for coming on here and
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  sharing your story with us because it's so difficult.
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  But that I'm proud of you, too. Turning such sorrow and grief
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  into a Ministry, to help and support other mama's going
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  through this similar experience. So Allison.
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  I'm going to start out with you. If you could just share a little
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  bit about yourself. And what this experience look
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  like for you. Yes.
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  Well, thank you. Yeah, it was January 24th of
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  2018 and I was two days away from being induced with my
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  second daughter. Cora, I had a two-year-old at
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  the time Millie. And she was, you know, like any
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  sibling is elated to be a big sister and so I had a very
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  normal pregnancy Everything just went so well.
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  No, nothing to write home about. If you will and on the 24th, I
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  woke up and realized that I was not feeling Cora move as much as
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  she had been. And I wasn't concerned because
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  I'm two days away from delivering her, like, there's no
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  room to do anything anymore, right.
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  I remember reaching out to my doctor, I just had a doctor's
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  appointment and she said, you know what, I know everything's
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  fine, but just go to the Federal and get checked out and many
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  things going on that you will be in the right place to be taken
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  care of. And so, I shot my husband, a
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  text and I said, hey, I'm heading up to the hospital just
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  to, you know, have a another ultrasound.
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  I make sure everything's okay. I'll let you know what's going
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  on because he was already at work.
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  So I show up and a sweet nurse comes in and tries to find a
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  heartbeat, and can't find it. And so, she said, well, let me
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  call it another nurse and, you know, Sometimes this happens,
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  but let's not be concerned. And I was I've repented a lot
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  about this let me just say, but I remember thinking how can you
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  be so bad at your job? Like I'm all baby at this way.
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  How can you not find a heartbeat?
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  Yeah, I'm Just Your Problem. It's writing super high on my
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  horse at this point, right? This second nurse comes in and
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  again she can't find a heart be either.
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  And he was after trying for several minutes that she finally
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  just put her hands on either side of my shoulder and said,
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  I'm so sorry, but she's gone. Mmm, Yeah.
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  And it's hard to describe what it feels like when your world is
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  flipped upside down like that, right?
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  You go from such intense joy to all of a sudden How do I even
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  function anymore? And I was there alone.
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  My husband was at work. And so I called him and he came
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  over right away and we just began the most grueling season
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  of grieving, of questioning and of just being frustrated and
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  angry. And I went on to deliver a very
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  healthy looking baby. Girl, who is 6 pounds and she
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  Just she was such a mover when I was pregnant with her, that she
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  had gotten Tangled Up and her umbilical cord, which was just
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  shocking to me because I remember thinking nobody tells
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  you about these things, you know, when you get pregnant
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  nobody says, well here's all the things I'm gonna rock, which is
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  wise. I mean they should do that but
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  right? Or you hear about it and you're
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  like, oh that won't ever happen to me that you know that that's
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  for other people. People or you hear that, you
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  know, that's like one in a million.
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  Yeah, exactly. And you know the worst part is
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  when the nurses come in and I say, oh this never happens.
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  This never happens like well, it's happened.
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  Yeah, yeah. I mean we we spent time as a
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  family of four, we invited our daughter Millie to come in and
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  to meet her sister and really had to For lack of a better
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  term, grow up really fast, you know, as children ourselves
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  having kids and then having to explain to a two-year-old that
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  your sister is in heaven when we are trying to wrap our minds
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  around that it was just it was devastating.
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  Hmm. I am so sorry.
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  I heard about that happening while you're pregnant and and
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  then as you're further along, Ang that it could because it
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  gets so Squishy in there that that could happen.
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  And I remember constantly eating something cold, they say to do
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  stuck on an ice cube. So the baby would move, right?
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  And I remember that being one of my scary fears and making sure
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  that they can move around. So I can't imagine other than
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  one time, I did go in. I was probably, I don't know,
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  four or five months pregnant with my daughter.
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  And the doctor for like just briefly probably, I mean, I felt
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  like, you know, a huge minute but it was probably just 10-15
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  seconds and she just couldn't find the heartbeat, you know?
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  And just that slight second there, your heart just drops,
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  you know and you're just like, oh my gosh you know so to have
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  that just come into your life and reality and have that
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  happen. I'm so sorry.
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  That is Got to be the most devastating news, like you're
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  saying and how your life just got flipped upside down.
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  Kelsey, you share your experience.
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  And then I want to go into both girls, how God showed up in her
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  life and the healing process with that.
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  Yeah, absolutely. So, Jamie Alison and I were
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  co-workers and best friends. We worked less than 10 feet away
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  from each other, and we were Pregnant together Alice with her
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  daughter, Cora and myself with our son Whitson.
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  And so besides planning, wonderful events.
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  We also had planned an arranged marriage between Korra and good
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  steel. Oh yeah.
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  And you know loving life and just, you know, we unfortunately
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  went from planning because we say planning playdates to
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  planning our babies, Funerals and less than two weeks.
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  Apart from one another. Wow.
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  To go back to January 24th of 2018.
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  I will forever have that day just kind of ingrained in my
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  memory. As I remember our boss, just
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  coming through our home and saying, I need everyone in the
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  Board Room right now, and I knew that I wasn't.
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  As she had texted me that morning she was going to go in
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  and get checked out and I started walking through that
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  hallway. I just hit me and it's just like
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  a ton like a truck really just hitting me.
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  And I remember like having to like catch myself on a cubicle
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  wall to not go down because it just hit me because I knew at
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  that moment what had happened. And I know the pain that my best
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  friend was experiencing and so, Knowing knowing that pain.
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  As I sending that I have, unfortunately, walkthrough
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  myself. I wanted to be near Allison side
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  at that, at that very moment. And so, I drove to the hospital
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  right away. And and then for the next week
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  and a half, it was, it was a kind of a battle if you will,
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  of, like just questions, like, how do I support her as I'm
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  still pregnant? Can we even be friends?
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  And the, I going to have to quit my job.
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  You know, it would Allison quit her job.
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  Would it be too difficult to see me still pregnant little?
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  Did we know that God was weaving a story far greater than we
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  could ever imagine. And so it was on February 9th
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  that I went in for my last ultrasound, right?
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  Right under 38 weeks and the same thing happened to me,
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  Julie, ultrasound after ultrasound tech came in, they
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  could not find a heartbeat with no reason why.
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  And I went home that day to come back the very next morning for
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  my rescheduled C-section, and it was then that I delivered a
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  8-pound, strawberry blonde, curly-haired, little boy that
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  looked perfect physically that little did we know that he had a
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  rare chromosome mutation. Trisomy 12.
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  And so yeah, we found out about a month after he was born and
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  Allison. Was one of the first people that
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  knew as I called her. And I just remember her, like,
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  on the phone saying, like, you've got to be kidding me like
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  this, there's no way. There's no way this is
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  happening. Hmm.
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  So yeah, that is again, just part of that story that God was
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  weaving and we spent that that spring and that summer grieving,
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  and just asking those hard questions of why God, you know
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  what? What is your purpose in this?
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  Like what you are a good father, what could possibly, what pop,
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  good could possibly come out of this.
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  Hurry. Equation, right again.
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  So sorry and to have you both be working in the same place
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  together and have that happen like you said within two weeks,
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  that's just amazing. And how you were even thinking
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  Kelsey, when you are pregnant, how would Allison feel and then
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  to have that happen to you too. Obviously there is a bigger
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  picture here so what'd that healing Process look like I mean
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  obviously grieving of course you know and I'm sure there's
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  phases, I hear of the different tiers of grieving so kind of
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  walk us through. How did you guys deal with those
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  emotions? And when did you really start to
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  see a little piece of you start to heal?
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  That's a good question. I Most people would agree with
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  this, if you've walked through a grieving season, it's ugly,
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  yeah, it's full of ugly crying. And, you know, just throwing
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  everything that you used to know, out the window and having
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  to figure out how to pick yourself back up off the ground
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  and continue to move forward. Not only for yourself, but for
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  the people in your lives. And so God, He's so so good and
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  not only were Kelsey and I blast with amazing husbands who were
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  there to hold us and agree with us and vice versa.
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  I mean, that grieving with your spouse is it's a whole other
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  Beast because you grieve differently as men and women and
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  we grieved on different days. You know I would have a hard day
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  in my husband would have a good day and so he would pick me up
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  on those days and And then vice versa but what was really
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  special was that Kelsey and I were on that same plane as well
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  where I would have a bad day and Kelsey would have a good day and
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  she would say, okay we're going to sit and we're going to cry
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  through this or to be a mad about it, but we're not going to
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  pitch your tent here. You know, let's acknowledge the
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  feelings. Let's be there in the moment and
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  then I'm going to help you stand back up and we're going to move
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  forward and that to this day. Is one of the greatest gifts
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  that I've ever received of having a woman who I know is
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  going to, always point you back to Christ.
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  Yeah. Who's going to allow me to be
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  broken? But say God is still good even
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  in the darkness, even when we don't understand.
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  And I'm going to walk through it with you, it was one of the
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  greatest gifts during that season.
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  Yeah, that was a long season. Oh yeah, I'm sure.
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  I mean, it reminds me of that. Scripture verse two are better
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  than one and you see that in marriage, like you were saying
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  where one has an awful day or going through health or
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  financial loss or whatever, something devastating your life
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  and your marriage. And I could even see that, you
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  know, my husband's having a good day and you know, and I'm down
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  in the dumps and then the opposite another day and then
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  just to have a girlfriend that has gone through that also to
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  lean on On and support one and another and encourage each
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  other. So, that's beautiful and itself
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  right there. So, Kelsey, how about you?
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  I think the biggest gift that God gave me and in my grieving,
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  season was Allison because I mean, I vividly remember sitting
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  on her couch, but multiple days just crying together.
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  And like, asking these questions of, what do we do now?
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  Like, where do we go from here? What is God doing?
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  And You know, we knew that this story was going to be bigger
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  than us, you know, because it just it was so close.
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  It was so Eerie. It was so unique.
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  And so I jokingly say if our, if our couches could tell the
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  stories of, you know, just screaming into pillows and the
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  tears that the couch is absorbed, you know, buy us a new
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  couch, Being able to verbalize to them.
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  Like I'm having a hard day and not staying silent.
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  And saying, this is what I'm struggling with.
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  I'm angry at God. I don't understand, I don't, I
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  don't know where to go from here.
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  But again, having that Allison said that person, that is not
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  going because going to sit with you for a while, but yet
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  deciding collectively that we can't stay here, that God still
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  is going to, he's still at work, he's still on the throne and
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  we're going to seek him out together in the midst of our
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  pain and having that Community is so vitally important.
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  And something that we talk about every every chance that we can
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  You know, to not stay silent to share your story because when
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  you share your story, it gives others permission to share
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  theirs as well. So, yeah, yeah, I know it's like
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  statement in the podcast and my mission statement is so that we
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  don't feel like we're alone and what we go through.
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  And so have you guys share your experience is going to give
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  another woman that I'm not alone in this. s, you know there are
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  there is a community that I can involve myself in to help me
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  with this healing and even if you feel like you're on the
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  other side, just to know that there's other women that are
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  there to help each other and encourage each other still to
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  keep going and be a mentor, I'm sure you've got mentors there
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  that can help other women as well that it's been years since
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  they went through it. So, I had a question.
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  I know you knowing you're grieving, I know experiences
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  that I've had just I'm so for just pouring out my heart to the
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  Lord, and just give them all my junk and yucky stuff.
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  I was wondering if you guys ever, you'd mention angry with
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  God, did you ever feel like you're losing your faith?
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  Where Just like, is this all fake?
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  I mean is everything. I believed is it no longer like
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  the truth. Absolutely.
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  I wish that I could say that Woodson was the only one that I
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  have in heaven. I have five children that are in
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  heaven with the most recent Jamie being an April of 2020
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  with our son Linux who have passed away at 18 weeks
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  gestation and it was after the loss of our son.
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  Linux that I battled it out with God, I remember one distinct day
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  where I was so consumed with my anger.
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  Jamie that I just remember, crying out to the Lord.
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  I was outside in the front yard of my mom's house, and I don't
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  know if I like if I actually verbalize this audibly that I
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  just cried out to him saying, why is having faith worth it?
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  If you are going to allow me yet again, to walk through this, I
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  was like righteously angry because I'm like, God, I've been
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  faithful. I helped start a Ministry that
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  that helps women and men after they've gone through this.
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  Why would you yet again? Allow us to go through this and
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  he so sweetly met me and so gently, let me in the front yard
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  of my mom's house. He offered me that the option
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  and it was, it was very strange because I just felt like God was
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  saying, you never really have two choices my daughter.
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  You can, you can walk away. You can just no strings
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  attached, you have permission to walk away and you know, and he
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  showed me who I would become, which, in my head, I just saw a
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  bitter old hag of a woman. Who was Is so caught up and
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  shame and anger and bitterness. Surely a raging alcoholic
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  single, you know, because I just I knew that that is who I would
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  become. And then he said, you know,
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  option two is if you allow me to walk with you through this and
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  carry the weight that you are carrying right now, you will
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  find Healing. You will Enjoy, you will find
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  life again because I am life and it didn't end there to be
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  honest. Like I decided like, yes, that's
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  obviously the way that I wanted to go, but but I just remember
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  that moment so specifically because it was just so gentle
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  and kind of him to present the option to me and I know that
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  that sounds really strange to some.
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  But I think that after several more More conversations and
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  battles, truly God, has really showed me just really what
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  Redemption looks like. You know, a lot of people think
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  that Redemption is going to come in the form of what they lost.
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  And for me, it was well, if I can have another baby got I will
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  find happiness. Again, I will find life again.
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  It's like, no, like religion has only and will only ever come in
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  the form of one baby. Jesus who died on the cross for
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  us. So that way, whatever we would
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  face in this life we would have the opportunity to be with him
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  one day. If we accept him as our savior
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  and the that truly is the hope that Allison and I clung to.
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  Yeah. Oh wow.
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  That's deep that is yeap. I'm, I've got so much emotion
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  going on right now and I mean it just shows.
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  We are here for a purpose on Earth and not let us not lose
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  that. I think we lose that and we
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  don't remember. And we're here to add to God's
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  kingdom, to bring others to know him to be in heaven.
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  This is not our home Heavens, our home, and so I could just
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  see Jesus showing you that. I was just speaking to you and
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  just telling you that and To continue on and sharing his
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  message to those. Ladies and ladies that may not
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  even know him that have gone through a loss and what an
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  impact you would think like oh that would you know, evolved leg
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  experiences, how would they ever come to know Jesus?
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  But only he knows their hearts and only through maybe your
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  ministry. You're able to save souls and
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  bring women to know him. Through this experience that
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  they've had here on Earth and so know that that is definitely
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  something that we wrestle with when tragedy comes to our life
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  and we questioned God and and then to have that happen to you
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  over and over again it reminds me of Jobe and the messenger
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  coming over and over again, sending those horrible messages
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  and how at the very end. He's still just as like I'm
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  going to still praise. You, I'll still Worship You
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  Lord. So I wanted to go into your
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  guys's Retreat and your wonderful Ministry called for
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  known at what point when you are going through your healing
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  process and stuff at one point where you like, oh wow, let's
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  start something to help other women because I know we, as
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  Owens here we have to get to that healing point to where
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  we're able to actually serve others so take us through that
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  Journey. Yeah, it was October of 2018 and
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  you know, having worked together.
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  We were blessed with an amazing team that you know, if we needed
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  to leave at 9:00 in the morning because we were just maxed out.
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  They got it and they would carry that weight for us.
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  And so Kelsey. And I were having a particularly
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  hard day and we left early and had Mexican food for brunch,
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  which I would not recommend in Colorado, and Texas all day
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  every day in Mexico, every day, not in Colorado.
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  We were just sitting across the table from each other, and, you
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  know, cry and and share in our hearts and I'll never forget
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  looking at calcium site. Okay, this is going to be crazy
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  but I keep having this vision of us speaking to women about what
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  we've gone through and Kelsey looked at me and she said, I
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  have had the exact same vision. Wow, he had in our amazing.
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  Humanness my first response was well crap.
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  I guess that means we need to do something with it now that you
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  verbalize it. I guess we should do.
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  Yeah, out there. It's really was where for known
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  began was that Mexican brunch in October and so we started as an
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  online social media platform, just Instagram and Facebook with
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  posts of encouragement. That frankly were what we needed
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  to hear. It was the encouragement and the
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  hope that we were looking for when we were in the hospital of
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  some of you to say, Hey hey it's going to be okay and we started
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  there, then we branched into hosting a retreat at Glen Eyrie
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  and we are actually coming up on our fourth Retreat.
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  That we are going to be hosting this April, where we just invite
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  women to come in and to share their stories and drop their
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  burdens at the door. And we welcome them.
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  We remind them of the hope that we have in Christ as Believers,
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  that he didn't take our babies. That he welcomed them into
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  having with open arms and he is caring for them and loving on
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  them until we get there. And we just, we are so adamant
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  about building Community because this grief in life is not
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  something that you are called to walk through alone.
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  And so we build that Community, we walk them through redefining
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  Joy, the battle for your future. We do this awesome activity
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  where we have. I'm right down the lies that
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  they've been told about their loss and we pray over that and
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  we erase it and we replace it with truth from the Lord and
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  it's such a holy spirit, driven moment where we are praying over
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  those women and he is giving them words and phrases to claim
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  as truth over themselves and freedom freedom.
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  Yeah, yeah, the chains that are broken is amazing.
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  It is amazing to see that. And so, And then we invite our
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  husbands and the last day. And we allow them to tell their
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  story of loss from a guy's perspective, and what does it
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  look like to heal? When you aren't the one who
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  carried the baby, it just, it's so cool.
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  And it's the highest rated session that we have, which
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  drives us crazy. But it's so beautiful to see it.
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  Amazing to see these women ask these guys questions.
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  Like okay, what? My husband says this, this is
• 29:33
  what I hear, you know, interpret that for me, help me understand
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  what is happening here, and just the chains and the life that is
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  spoken back into marriages, and that moment is so neat.
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  So, that's a little bit about every tree.
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  We also have a texting Community where women can text a number
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  that goes directly to our phones and we are immediately you know,
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  on Ground Zero with them saying you know what resources, do you
• 30:00
  need? How can I For you, we invite you
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  to hop on a zoom call and we will meet with you two on one
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  and pray through this whatever you're going through.
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  We also send out daily text of encouragement you know, some
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  people aren't on social media and so this is another way where
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  we can have a personalized conversation with them while
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  still giving them the distance if they need it.
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  Some people feel like I don't want to put myself out there
• 30:30
  online but a text is 0. Okay.
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  Absolutely. We host free monthly Digital
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  support groups where women can just log in to zoom and join
• 30:38
  others who understand their pain.
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  Usually bring a different topic to each month or sometimes will
• 30:44
  feature a guest speaker that will just kind of present a
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  different idea or topic. But then we allow women to just
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  share what they think and how they are feeling and how they're
• 30:53
  doing, how they're healing and growing.
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  And again, just because we know the community is Only important
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  and you craving season. So good ladies.
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  Wow. I mean, you just have it all
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  covered. And how inspiring just in all
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  Ministry to have that Personal Touch, you know, like a text up,
• 31:18
  just like, you know, keep going. You're doing a good job or, you
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  know, having it inviting for The Other Women to share, or what's
• 31:26
  going on by giving them space and room too.
• 31:31
  Share or not share. But just, I think when you're
• 31:35
  going through such hard time, just to know somebody's there
• 31:39
  and you can reach out to somebody.
• 31:42
  If you need, it is sometimes enough, right to start the
• 31:48
  healing process. And so, what a great thing you
• 31:52
  guys have. And I'm so excited for your
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  ministry and what God is doing and so grateful for this
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  opportunity, You guys to come on here and share.
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  And so, at the end of each episode, I just ask the guests
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  for a takeaway just to leave with the listener something to
• 32:14
  ponder on. So whoever wants to go first and
• 32:17
  then we'll just say where you can be connected with the women
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  here. Yeah, thank you, thank you Jamie
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  for having us on and like we mentioned before, it's like
• 32:30
  every opportunity that we We can to share our story with people
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  is such an honor and yeah we know that it's a part of the
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  Legacy that that our kids left, you know.
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  So I would say for me personally Jamie, you know, kind of like I
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  mentioned earlier in the podcast.
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  You know that I the battles that I had the conversations that I
• 32:53
  had with God I just want to remind whoever is listening like
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  right now, you know, whatever battle you are walking through
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  and whatever. Whether it's in loss of a child
• 33:05
  loss of a spouse, a job, whatever grieving looks like for
• 33:09
  you right now to just cry out to God.
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  And they, that God not only is available but he wants to
• 33:18
  receive all of those emotions, you know, I think kind of it of
• 33:22
  the time. It's like, God, you wouldn't
• 33:24
  have created anger. If you wouldn't have allowed me
• 33:28
  to be angry with you, but he doesn't Want to stay there,
• 33:33
  right? Like, right.
• 33:34
  Be angry and not Sid. And so it's knowing that that
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  God is so big enough to take your anger, your feelings of
• 33:44
  betrayal, your frustrations, all of your 1000 emotions that
• 33:51
  sometimes you experience, all at the same time, he's big enough
• 33:55
  and he wants to take it from you, you know, God.
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  Grieves with us You know, I'm reminded often.
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  It's like God you know what? It's like to lose your son.
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  You know what it's like. And so just knowing that he
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  Grieves with us and we're not ever alone in that process is
• 34:17
  good. I think for me, one of the
• 34:20
  biggest blessings of for known has been the community and I
• 34:24
  know we've said it a lot in the last 30 minutes but finding
• 34:29
  Community when you are walking through Through a season, any
• 34:33
  season is vital. I mean, God calls us to be in
• 34:38
  community with one another and so to find those people who are
• 34:43
  God-fearing that are going to speak truth and love into you
• 34:47
  and let you acknowledge the feelings in the season that
• 34:50
  you're in. But continue to push you towards
• 34:54
  him. We have to have those people.
• 34:57
  Because what Satan loves to do especially when it comes to Los
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  Angeles. He loves to put shame on you.
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  One of the things that Kelsey and I have said for quite a
• 35:06
  while now is that shame will not know my name, I refuse to feel
• 35:10
  shame about my loss because that's a lie from the enemy.
• 35:15
  And so being in community with one another and calling out
• 35:18
  those lies, and then speaking truth over him.
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  Yeah, it will forever change you.
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  So what we like to say is, you know, maybe before you met us,
• 35:29
  you didn't have a community. But now you do, Now you have two
• 35:32
  people who are here saying, I will be your sister.
• 35:35
  I will be there to hold your hand to pack your backpack and
• 35:38
  teach you how to hike that mountain and I will cheer lead
• 35:41
  you on all the way but you cannot stay alone.
• 35:44
  You can't do it alone. So let us be there for you.
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  Yeah, that's right. So good.
• 35:52
  I love it girls. Okay.
• 35:54
  What's the website where can they sign up and get involved in
• 35:57
  this community? Absolutely.
• 35:59
  So you can go to form down Ministries.com org to find more
• 36:05
  information about, not only the weekend retreat, coming up April
• 36:09
  8th through 10th but you can also find the Digital support
• 36:12
  group links as well as links to sign up to our texting
• 36:17
  Community. If you have your phones on you
• 36:20
  right now, which probably most of us do if you're listening to
• 36:23
  a podcast, you can pull out. I know I do all the time hiking
• 36:28
  or walking my dog. Maybe you're going to do this
• 36:32
  right now. Okay.
• 36:33
  Okay, listeners on it. How easy this is.
• 36:37
  So if you go to your messages, yep, you can say hello or you
• 36:43
  can send a heart to the number. You ready 71. 626. 84 86.
• 36:55
  And like I said, you can say hello.
• 36:57
  You can send a heart. If you would like to send,
• 37:01
  excuse me, if you would like to receive a text of daily
• 37:04
  encouragement, you can text men. If you would like information on
• 37:10
  men's resources, but either way, anything that you send will get
• 37:15
  to us, there it is and we would love to connect with you and
• 37:21
  your list. There's any way we can, so so
• 37:25
  cool. Yep.
• 37:26
  It's seven, one nine six two six eight four, eight six, very
• 37:32
  simple. Just text that and then in the
• 37:35
  little text message, say hello heart, whatever?
• 37:39
  Right? It will respond and then you
• 37:43
  instantly get Kelsey and Allison on your phone with a message.
• 37:49
  So good you girls. Oh wow.
• 37:52
  I know we just met but wow, I just love you both and just love
• 37:57
  what God is doing in and through you and how you are serving the
• 38:03
  ladies, the moms and dads. And and just this love that,
• 38:10
  Jesus expects us to be loving on people.
• 38:13
  It's just so inspiring and amazing.
• 38:16
  And I just want to say thank you.
• 38:18
  I appreciate both of you and So glad that you are doing this for
• 38:24
  others. So thank you Jamie and thank you
• 38:27
  for sharing your story. You know, like I said, when you
• 38:30
  share an open up, it empowers others to be vulnerable, you
• 38:35
  know. And yeah, thank you so much for
• 38:38
  this opportunity. Thank you.
• 38:43
  Thank you so much for listening today.
• 38:45
  I trust that God has encouraged you through this message for
• 38:50
  more information on this ministry and to access free
• 38:54
  downloads. Please visit my website at Jamie
• 38:58
  Elizabeth.com and sign up. You can also find me on
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  Instagram and Facebook at Jamie Elizabeth she speaks life.
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  That's ja why ma E Elizabeth, she speaks life.
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  Until next time, my friends. I pray God, reveals himself
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  through your own life story.