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Samsung Reveals Gaming Handheld!🚨Ronin + Sky Mavis INTERVIEW🔥 · The Paul Barron Crypto Show

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  Speaker 1: Today we're going to be diving into a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of web three gaming, how this is all affecting the market,
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  Speaker 1: and of course there's some interesting things happening.
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  Speaker 2: My name is Paul Barre.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back into tech Pathlet's dive in and a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of what's going on in the handheld gaming sector.
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  Speaker 1: One thing I want to touch on, of course, is
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  Speaker 1: Samsung which has unveiled a Flex device, which is a
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  Speaker 1: foldible handheld console.
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  Speaker 2: This was at MWC.
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  Speaker 1: Pretty interesting here, I think, you know, it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: interesting that it looks so much like the Flip. This
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  Speaker 1: is brilliant. I think it's a good move for Samsung.
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  Speaker 1: It also expands quite a bit in the market. Furthermore,
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  Speaker 1: they had this device that they also talked about, the
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  Speaker 1: Flex handheld, so we may hit see not only the
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  Speaker 1: flip open but also the stackable screens which really do
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  Speaker 1: change up the experience quite a bit. Other things that
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  Speaker 1: are happening. Remember that Nintendo Direct is also coming live
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  Speaker 1: on the second.
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  Speaker 2: Out of April.
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  Speaker 1: This possibly could be the announcement of a new switch.
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  Speaker 1: We will see how things go. Switch to is being portrayed,
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  Speaker 1: and if you look at something that's going on here
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  Speaker 1: one from our channel partner suite. They have the sweet
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  Speaker 1: Play device. And remember the ox one. Originally we did
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  Speaker 1: a little design on this was this was the original
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  Speaker 1: design right there, and then when you look at the
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  Speaker 1: new design, very similar here to the Nintendo Switch. So
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  Speaker 1: taking some design que definitely from Nintendo and starting to
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  Speaker 1: move I think in the right direction for handheld gaming.
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  Speaker 1: Other things that of course start to move. You have
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  Speaker 1: to look at the glasses market and this is something
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  Speaker 1: that Meta of course has pioneered, but now x reel
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  Speaker 1: is getting a big market share fifty one percent of
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  Speaker 1: markets in Q three starting to roll up on these
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  Speaker 1: new ar glasses.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go to a clip real quick because.
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  Speaker 1: This is one that we think when you look at
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  Speaker 1: devices like that could be very good for handheld gamers.
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  Speaker 2: Take a look.
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  Speaker 3: I'm talking iPhones, Nintendo Switch, seam Deck, MacBooks. You just
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  Speaker 3: plug it in and it's ready to.
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  Speaker 4: Go and it will do all the processing inside of
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  Speaker 4: the glasses instead of line on your device, which I
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  Speaker 4: have to reiterate doesn't require an application to be present
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  Speaker 4: on whatever device you are using the glasses with.
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  Speaker 2: In anchor mode, you can turn.
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  Speaker 4: Your head away from the pin screen and it will.
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  Speaker 3: Not follow you.
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  Speaker 4: The display stays in place like a real monitor or
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  Speaker 4: television that has ultra low latency. Had three milliseconds, which
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  Speaker 4: is actually four times better than the Apple Vision prow.
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  Speaker 3: You could even use these with a switch with an
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  Speaker 3: HDMI to DP adapter.
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  Speaker 1: These have improved stabilization and no shaking, which makes for
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  Speaker 1: a really great gaming experience.
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  Speaker 2: It honestly feels like a luxury.
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  Speaker 4: The perfect companion for handheld gaming and for that, this
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  Speaker 4: is it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, these are going to explode. We were
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  Speaker 1: over on the x real shop. We've shown this before,
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  Speaker 1: this device. This is the ones you just saw on
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  Speaker 1: the clip right there are kind of the first generation,
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  Speaker 1: this course, being the x Real Air twos.
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  Speaker 2: These are the ultras.
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  Speaker 1: When these hit the market, I think this really starts
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  Speaker 1: to shift a lot in the handcount gaming sector and
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  Speaker 1: we could see some pretty big movements quickly. Now what
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  Speaker 1: is the catalyst for potential growth? One, of course, you
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  Speaker 1: have to look back all the way to two thousand
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  Speaker 1: and eight when the App Store launched and we saw
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  Speaker 1: a boom in handheld device games apps you name it,
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  Speaker 1: core developers. Then Pokemon Go came in and that was
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen that created this ar phenomenon. Now here we
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  Speaker 1: are getting ready to kind of transition maybe further into
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  Speaker 1: a combination of new devices, AR XR and really seeing
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  Speaker 1: kind of next generation gaming start to become a real thing.
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  Speaker 1: The Gaming Summit is being held by Suite over in
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  Speaker 1: March March eighteenth, and I anticipate we're going to see
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  Speaker 1: some big announcements within it. One thing I highlighted further
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  Speaker 1: on down here in the page was some very key
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  Speaker 1: points right here Aaron Goldsby. You guys remember him. We've
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  Speaker 1: had myth go on before, but Mythical games. Are we
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  Speaker 1: in a position here where maybe Mythical is going to
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  Speaker 1: be moving over to Sue.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Let me know down in the comments. I always love
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  Speaker 1: to get you guys's feedback. It kind of gives us
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  Speaker 1: some insights. Last up here, we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 1: about Row today and Ronan's Gaming Empire. This was a
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  Speaker 1: good if you guys remember, Fableborn won Best Mobile Game
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  Speaker 1: at the Game's GG Awards, And this is a big
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  Speaker 1: deal because as you see the evolution of where gaming
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  Speaker 1: is coming from, especially in Web three, you always have
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  Speaker 1: to look back at the history of that and that
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  Speaker 1: of course is Axie Infinity, and I wanted to bring
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  Speaker 1: on Alexander coming in from sky Navis to kind of
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  Speaker 1: break some of this down. Alexander, how are you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm good, Paul, Thanks for having me and I think
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  Speaker 4: this is the third time that I'm here, So yeah, gaming.
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  Speaker 1: It's been good, well, definitely. Now we got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things happening in the market. Seems like technology is
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  Speaker 1: starting to catch up with this as well. Here's a
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  Speaker 1: couple of tweets I wanted to hit on you and
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  Speaker 1: get your opinion on this. You look at what's happening
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  Speaker 1: with the Sweetplay device and of course some of your
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  Speaker 1: people out there talking about possibly a handheld gaming device
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  Speaker 1: on the Ronan network.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think about this? Is it possible?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Give us one Alexander.
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  Speaker 4: To spoil something like that here unfortunately. But what I
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  Speaker 4: will say though, is that we are excited about all
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  Speaker 4: sorts of innovation in the gaming space. I think that's
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  Speaker 4: why we're building in Web three. We think that has
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  Speaker 4: the best benefit for players.
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  Speaker 3: We've seen what.
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  Speaker 4: Has happened with Solona obviously what they did with their phone,
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  Speaker 4: but I think hardware is historically really hard to do right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Alex that or saw the clip on
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  Speaker 1: x reel. They've got their developer SDK available, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: wondering when you look at the way that they're transitioning.
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  Speaker 1: If this becomes a new device that gamers can use,
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  Speaker 1: why not port all of your games right into what
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  Speaker 1: x reel is doing. I mean, did you see some
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  Speaker 1: of the examples given there. I mean they were pretty phenomenal.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, that actually looks amazing. So
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  Speaker 4: it's always this question of like when are these hardware
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  Speaker 4: devices actually ready for mainstream adoption? And I think we
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  Speaker 4: touched on this the last time as well. When I
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  Speaker 4: saw Apple Vision Pro actually get released, I was super
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  Speaker 4: excited about it. Unfortunately I didn't have chance to try
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  Speaker 4: it yet. But for these, you know, the x real
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  Speaker 4: Air to ultras, I think for me, as kind of
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  Speaker 4: how can I say it the nominative user of these
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  Speaker 4: like VR type of devices, I needed to be super
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  Speaker 4: light weight. I need it to be only the benefits, right,
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  Speaker 4: so that I can put them on and then very
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  Speaker 4: easily interact with with the.
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  Speaker 2: World in front of me.
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  Speaker 4: So this is now we're talking about something that that
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  Speaker 4: excites me because I think when I go back and
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  Speaker 4: I remember being a little bit bearish on some of
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  Speaker 4: these things. But to me, this is also about like
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  Speaker 4: where are we at in the technology innovation kind of cycle.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have come a long way since our
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  Speaker 1: original discussion about XR ar v r x are, especially
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  Speaker 1: with you look at the advancement that x rel has made.
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  Speaker 1: That's only going to push the market. Most likely we
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  Speaker 1: see we'll see some more devices like this come on.
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  Speaker 1: For sure, Ronan is now open. How has this affected
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  Speaker 1: the ecosystem? I'm looking at a tweet by you guys.
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  Speaker 1: This is the layer of projects in there. Obviously ready
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  Speaker 1: gamer right there. How does this affect to do you
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  Speaker 1: guys with an open network like this now?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think last time I also mentioned
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  Speaker 4: part of the strategy and going permissionless has kind of
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  Speaker 4: always been a part of the plan. But from our side,
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  Speaker 4: it's really been great to see all the demand that
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  Speaker 4: has come in from developers, and you know, I think
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  Speaker 4: over the past three or four years, you know, we've
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  Speaker 4: been very curated, We've been very careful with the partners
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  Speaker 4: that we've been able to work with, but now finally
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  Speaker 4: we're at the point where we can actually welcome all
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  Speaker 4: of these guys, and of course we have like strong
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  Speaker 4: product market fit with gaming developers because of the tools
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  Speaker 4: and the services, but also the know how that the
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  Speaker 4: team has. But now I think we have some work
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  Speaker 4: to do with actually attracting different type of app developers
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  Speaker 4: and also particularly DeFi, which is where I'm spending a
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  Speaker 4: lot of my time right now. How can we basically
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  Speaker 4: make this ecosystem about something else than just gaming because
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  Speaker 4: gaming has like kind of been our core, but we
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  Speaker 4: have to kind of expand a little bit from there.
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  Speaker 4: And the attraction, of course with these other app developers
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  Speaker 4: is that the same as the game developers. They come
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  Speaker 4: to us because we actually have the users in on
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  Speaker 4: any given day as anything from five hundred thousand to
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  Speaker 4: seven hundred and fifty thousand daily active users, and from
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  Speaker 4: a monthly perspective there's anything from one point six million
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  Speaker 4: to two point five million. Now that's a lot of
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  Speaker 4: users for application developers that want to hit that type
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  Speaker 4: of traction, and that's been the pitch that we've had
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  Speaker 4: since the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at your users. Matter of fact, you
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  Speaker 1: kind of hit right there. The returning users have been
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  Speaker 1: pretty dynamic on Ronin, and you look at kind of
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  Speaker 1: the evolution of for web through gaming has gone. To
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  Speaker 1: your point is you're starting to splinter a little bit
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  Speaker 1: maybe towards DeFi. How do you keep these users in
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  Speaker 1: the ecosystem? Do you think it's going to be transitioning
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  Speaker 1: over to other functionality within the Ronan network.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: So. One of the things that we saw during the
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  Speaker 4: last run up of ACXI, basically in twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 4: is that a lot of the users that came in,
• 8:53
  Speaker 4: you know, they have never even used any sort of
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  Speaker 4: crypto app before. A lot of them didn't even have
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  Speaker 4: bank accounts. But when they came into act, they wanted
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  Speaker 4: to explore what's beyond the AXI inside of the crypto ecosystem.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe they wanted to take up loans, maybe they wanted
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  Speaker 4: to do something else, And unfortunately, at that time we
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  Speaker 4: didn't have all of those services and tools available on Ronin,
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  Speaker 4: so they turned out of the ecosystem. And now our
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  Speaker 4: focus is to ensure that since we have the place
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  Speaker 4: where they come in first, basically the consumer layer, we
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  Speaker 4: can now also have the retention layer at the bottom
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  Speaker 4: so that they can do more things inside Ronin, take
• 9:25
  Speaker 4: up different type of loans, play different type of games.
• 9:28
  Speaker 4: Do Social Five even lost their own meme coins, so
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  Speaker 4: for example, tom or don't meme on Ronan has launched
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  Speaker 4: over twenty one thousand tokens since it went live a
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago, which is actually really good. If
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  Speaker 4: you're compared to such a young ecosystem from a kind
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  Speaker 4: of open perspective.
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  Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to watch. I want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: Apple for a minute, because when you look at Apple,
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  Speaker 1: it's a closed ecosystem. There has been scenarios with Apple
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  Speaker 1: that have really plugged the market. Apple prioritize to their
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  Speaker 1: revenue here recently despite the legal re one of the
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  Speaker 1: things they hit on was that they were continuing to
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  Speaker 1: steer customers outside the app. So if they did do this,
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  Speaker 1: it was going to end up with a pretty impactful
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  Speaker 1: revenue hit for Apple in general.
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  Speaker 4: So I think that they're going to be forced to
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  Speaker 4: open up regulators around the world, but also consumers that
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  Speaker 4: want to interact with different type of applications that maybe
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  Speaker 4: go against the terms of use that Apple has at moments.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's been a very interesting period for Apple.
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  Speaker 4: But for now, let's say, you know, games like epic. Right,
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  Speaker 4: they're challenging this really heavily, and even from our side,
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  Speaker 4: from the crypto perspective, obviously, we believe that users to
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  Speaker 4: serve to own their own data and f T assets
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  Speaker 4: and trade them with other users without necessarily a middleman
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  Speaker 4: like Apple in between.
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  Speaker 3: There.
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  Speaker 1: Well, and you know Schiller was this was a testimony
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  Speaker 1: from him, and they were talking about the revenue numbers.
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  Speaker 2: Let me kind of zoom in on that.
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  Speaker 1: If only five percent of in app purchases from just
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  Speaker 1: the top two hundre apps shifted over to web payments,
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  Speaker 1: they'd lose hundreds of millions.
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  Speaker 2: And this was a conservative estimate. So this is a real.
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  Speaker 1: Impact on Apple, especially if we get into I think
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  Speaker 1: billions in reference to revenue here. Then you have the
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  Speaker 1: Justice Department, of course suing Apple from monopolizing smartphone markets.
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  Speaker 1: And you've got to remember Tim Cook made a nice
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  Speaker 1: little homage over to Trump's office and even down here
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow lago. You think that the Trump administration is going
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  Speaker 1: to let them slide on this? What are your thoughts there?
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  Speaker 1: You think they get away with this?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: Wow?
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  Speaker 4: I think it's very hard to pretict what the Trump
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  Speaker 4: administration is going to do especially in this day and age,
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  Speaker 4: they definitely want to protect American companies though, So I mean,
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  Speaker 4: if we have that as a principle in place, you know,
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  Speaker 4: we can say, is it more protective to keep it
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  Speaker 4: closed store, is it more protective to actually open it
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  Speaker 4: up for other American companies to kind of build so
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  Speaker 4: that the you know, the maybe the platform can get bigger.
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  Speaker 4: So this is actually a tie into why we decided
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  Speaker 4: to open runin. We think that we need to increase
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  Speaker 4: the pie, we need to make it bigger, so we
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  Speaker 4: cannot stay closed. We need to enable other developers to
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  Speaker 4: come in and build and utilize the amazing things that
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  Speaker 4: we've created. And I think if Apple does the same,
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  Speaker 4: there's an opportunity to grow beyond what they have today.
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  Speaker 4: But the sacrifice, of course for Apple is that the
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  Speaker 4: revenue numbers, as you can see, they're.
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  Speaker 3: Just like incredible.
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  Speaker 4: And right now even to this today, a company, big
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  Speaker 4: game company out of Finland, super Cell, you might be familiar.
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  Speaker 4: They are actually driving users outside of the app store
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  Speaker 4: into their web shop to buy let's say gold stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and they get a discount if they buy.
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  Speaker 3: It there because it's actually keep for them.
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  Speaker 4: So this is actually happening today already, it's just like
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  Speaker 4: a very selective from Apple, which companies they're trying to
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  Speaker 4: censor because they're losing money if they censor their own company.
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  Speaker 4: They like super Cell because they are driving significant amounts
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  Speaker 4: of revenue to that company.
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  Speaker 2: So I hope you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we do see an open ecosystem within Apple, and
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  Speaker 1: maybe in the next decade we'll see. Listen, we got
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: to talk about Polygon ZAVM. Why do you think Polygon
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  Speaker 1: is not getting love right now? This is one of
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: the changes that seemingly has a lot of opportunity, but
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: yet at the same time, the market, whether you're trading
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  Speaker 1: Polygon or even developers not necessarily choosing Polygon.
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  Speaker 3: Why right?
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  Speaker 4: So, I think for Ronan, our decision to experiment with
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: polygon zeke EVM was made last year because we like
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: the tech and we respect the Polygon team as builders.
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  Speaker 4: I think commercially and actually getting this to something really
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  Speaker 4: viable has kind of been.
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  Speaker 3: The problem for now.
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: So of course we are looking into what does actually
• 13:36
  Speaker 4: a Rolan zeke AVM look like, When can we start
• 13:39
  Speaker 4: to use this for our developers, And there's a lot
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: of pressure coming from us to the Polygon teams, and
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: I think that's really a part of the issue that
• 13:46
  Speaker 4: they're facing. For many different teams as well. This is
• 13:49
  Speaker 4: still very experimental tech, and when you look at something
• 13:52
  Speaker 4: like Base or Arbitrum or even the zke synhs, right,
• 13:55
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of challenge in that space for scaling solutions,
• 13:58
  Speaker 4: and there's a lot of opportunities or chains like Ronan
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  Speaker 4: who are basically have a delegated proof of stake later on,
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: but then are looking what does it look like from
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: a scaling perspective beyond just that, right, So, I think
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  Speaker 4: like Polygon has some issues there where they actually just
• 14:12
  Speaker 4: need to ship and actually get this to use, right,
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  Speaker 4: which is always the issue for blockchain companies. But unless
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: they can do something really fast, and I think is
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: going to be quite challenging for them.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting, Why do you think we're seeing so much activity
• 14:26
  Speaker 1: out of Base here's just some of the daily active
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: user addresses versus what we're seeing over here with obviously
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Ronan and Polygon. Why is Base moving so so much now?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: So, I think Base is in such an incredibly strong
• 14:43
  Speaker 4: position by the fact that they have this very really
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: tight relationship with coinbase. I mean, it is coin Base
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: of course, so a lot of trust is in that
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: chain using it right, so you know, people are probably
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: not afraid of any sort of acts or like less
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: afraid of rugs.
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: Et cetera.
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: But it's also they get a lot of kind of
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: free app developers that come there because they.
• 15:02
  Speaker 3: Want to get listed on Coinbase as well.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: But actually what we've seen when it comes to AI agents,
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: for example, a team like Virtuals, they didn't even get
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: listed on Coinbase, which is incredible compared to then actually
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: building natively on that chain. So you know, of course
• 15:15
  Speaker 4: some criticism on my part for there for Coinbase, and
• 15:18
  Speaker 4: I think that for adapt developers there's definitely no magic
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  Speaker 4: bullet to just deploying on base, to just get listed
• 15:24
  Speaker 4: on Coinbase, but you know it's worth a shop, I guess.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: But active users are still up, so I mean you
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: look at yes, I mean it did happen with Virtuals.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Of course, people still believe in that. And I think
• 15:35
  Speaker 4: that there's a lot of usage of course, like people
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: want to experiment, right, they want to use the applications
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: that are there. I think coin based did a really
• 15:43
  Speaker 4: great job when it comes to the un chained Summer thing.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: They did last year and then it's been like a
• 15:47
  Speaker 4: really great goal to market and the segue from there.
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: So overall, I feel like they've done a good job.
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: Alexander.
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: You look at the chains that are available right now
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: over on open c and you've got Avalanche in there.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Heck even blast flow. Why not Ronan getting onto open Sea?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: When when will we see that happen?
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: I know that I know no Devin for seven years
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: something like that. Who from from coinbase obviously, what I
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: can say that we're talking to coin Base, sorry to
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: open see, and I think open Sea is really really
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: interesting to have on ronin.
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: So it can happen.
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: No guarantees, but I think it's it's it's more likely
• 16:31
  Speaker 4: to happen and unlikely.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: More than likely to happen than unlikely. Okay, well that's
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: not more.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: Likely than unlikely.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, gotcha. I just want to make sure I
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: got that right. Meme coin cycles, do you think that
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: has reached its end right now?
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: I think that there's been a little bit too much
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: extraction in terms of the just the the amount of
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: money that's flown out of the ecosystem into let's say
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: companies like pump Dot Fund, and also a lot of
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: people are getting wrecked and ruck all over the place,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: right so there's very little substance being built in some
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: of these ecosystems, which I think is unfortunate, because the
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: promise of meme coins to me is actually about culture
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: and building community and doing something real together, which is
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: actually what we've seen on Ronan, where we see that
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: a lot of like early stage meme coins are becoming
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: communities and a lot of people like they Basically they
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: come in and they sell all the tokens immediately, and
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: then it becomes the lore for the future of a
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: meme cooin, for example, like Ronke, which is like a
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: blue monkey or Ronan. It's only got like four million
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: dollars in market CAAP right now, but there's like this
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: very vibrant community of believers, which I think is more
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: what I am attracted to when it comes to mean coins,
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: rather than this like massive run up and then like
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: someone is rugging and just like, yeah, I don't like
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: that at all. And I think you can see that
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: it's really kind of burning out when you look at
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: the adoption for pumptot fund and the amount of tokens
• 17:53
  Speaker 4: that are launched every day, so obviously the numbers don't
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: lie here.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're just following that AI agent's on Ronan.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: What about that, We've got virtuals talking about this a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: little bit, bringing AI power agents over to Ronan.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: So I think virtuals is actually about creating frameworks for
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: AI agents inside games, which to me actually make a
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: lot of sense. So of course we're super interested in
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: different type of AI agents use cases on rollin because
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: these you know, AI agents, they will be played by
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: the players, so to say, the players own any AI agents,
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: and I think they will play against each others in
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: those type of games, which then will be perhaps own
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: chain games. So I'm super bulish on AI agents. I'm
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: bullish on virtuals, I guess in the long term, but
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: right now it's you know, they still have some work
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: to do to actually get this to a sustainable level
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: where these AI agents actually make sense, because right now
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: when you look at Twitter, there's a lot of spam
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: from these AI accounts that actually don't really have too much.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about on wrapping a little bit USDC
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: if I want to get it into run and that's
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: still not available.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: So actually USDC is available, so it's like, I think
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: there's already thirty million dollars or something like that. USDC
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: tokens on Ronan. The easiest thing to do is you
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: just try to create a wallet. You can create it
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: using Ronan Waypoint, which is an upgrade that we have
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: to the Ronan wallet, where you just need your email account,
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: email address, and then an MPC ballet is being created.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: It's actually a perfect solution for net new users to
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: come into crypt well.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: A new user, but I think a lot of people
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: that are in crypto that might want to come over
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: would most likely come over from like a coinbase or
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: some sort of centralized exchange, but being able to transfer
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: USDC most of the time will go that route. But
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is this still has to go through
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: places like moonpay, et cetera.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: If you're talking about the native transactions between USDC from Coinbase,
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: I think that's going to take some time. Because we
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: actually deployed the USDC contract a little bit before. You know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: there was a guideline from the USDC team on how
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: to do it in a very permissionless way so that
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: they can take it over. So Ronan in this case
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: has a little bit of has some to to to
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: talk to a circle there where they want to. We
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: want them then to take over the contract so that
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: they can have the official integration and that then will
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: maybe mean that a UCC can migrate directly from Coinbays
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: for example.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's go over I'm talking about you know,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: you look at the United States now really flipping the
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: script on what UH is going to be accepted as
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: crypto the SEC has already. I mean it's a complete
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: opposite spin of what we've seen six months ago. We
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: know that there's going to be a White House summit
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: on crypto. Why not get I mean ron sky Mavis,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest gaming companies out there. Why not
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: go in and say, hey, listen, we need to establish
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: a US facility or some sort of US entry for
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: sky Mavis instead of playing around in Singapore, you know,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: just come on over here to the United States.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: How about that?
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think that's a great question. And uh,
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: you know I I of course we're exploring all options
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: to see, like where does it make sense to head
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: quarter sky Mavis moving forward? I think, like all crypto
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: companies want to have a friendly regulatory environment where the
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: rules makes sense and where we can actually work closely
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: with the governments. Now on the bright side, when you
• 21:11
  Speaker 4: look at a company like sky Mavis, we're funded by
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: some of the biggest venture investors in the world. A
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: sixteen and z Mark, Cuban, like a lot of these people,
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: even Paradigm, right, they've funded us and all of these
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: bigger companies and even more Cuban, I guess work closely
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: with the governments, right, so we have direct connections in
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: there as well where we try to, you know, give
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: them feedback. And Jeffrey or Gihos, who's my American co founder,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: he was actually at the inauguration, so we have some
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: like we're trying to make sure that we are sharing
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: our information or the knowledge that we have with the
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: people that will listen with the regulators, and I think
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: that's really important so that we can help shape the
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: future of crypto in the US and actually in the world.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: We're the ones who made AXI, and we actually stuck
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: it around from that time when everything was going down
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: all the way on to this point and we've been
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: keeping building ever since that time. And now users are
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: coming back because why they actually want to interact with
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: the products that we have here, and to me, that
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: gives me a lot of faith that we're.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: On the right path.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: Now it's all about how do we keep executing moving forward,
• 22:13
  Speaker 4: make sure that retention is higher and that actually we
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: get the best games.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Also on Ronan moving forward.
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And for example, Fableborn, as you mentioned, best game
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: of the year on best Mobile Game and actually on Ronan,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: it had massively successful NFT pre sale where over twenty
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: one million dollars was locked to buy their Kingdom NFTs.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: Now that outstrips anything we've ever seen on Ronan, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: I think that's really great to see the amount of traction.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: So I think it was something like, I don't know,
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: a couple of thousand percent over subscribe from what it
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: should have been. So I'm super excited about Fableborn and
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: mobile games in particular. Is how we will onboard the
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: users into crypto around the world. That's, you know, generally
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: what I.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Believe what would be say one or two things that
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: you guys have in your roadmap that for twenty twenty
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: five that you feel are going to be fairly significant
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: if you were to achieve them.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: So this is probably a little bit of a leak
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: and something that I know a lot of the community
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: is waiting for. If you look at something unique that
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: Ronan has, we have the Ronan Protocol treasury. So basically,
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: whenever a user is trading on Katana Exchange, a part
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: of that goes back into the protocol treasury. Whenever someone
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: is trading on the Roman marketplace is the maybas market,
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: a part of that is actually going back into the
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Ronan Protocol treasury. Right now now a lot of those
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: tokens are spread into wrapped eth Ronan and many, many
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: different types of tokens, And right now we are actively
• 23:38
  Speaker 4: exploring if there is something we can do to basically
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: begin a buyback of Rome tokens, and I think that's
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: really where the market should be headed. We need more fundamentals.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: They need to get priced on usage, of course, but
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: also are they capturing any revenue. And on the bright side,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: the Roman Protocol treasury already has three point six million
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: dollars in revenue inside of it, So I guess we'll
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: see where that leads. And then if we can do that,
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: that would make me really really happy, and I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: that the community was also be really excited about that.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, Alexander It's always good catching up with you.
• 24:09
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• 24:11
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• 24:13
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• 24:15
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• 24:18
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