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Live from Occupied D.C. with Barack Obama · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 2: What's up, Washington? Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Alex Wagner.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lovett.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Barack Obama.
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  Speaker 7: Hey!
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  Speaker 1: Come on.
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  Speaker 7: Hey!
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  Speaker 5: So here's the thing.
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  Speaker 8: I missed you, too, which is why I came. But
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  Speaker 8: we had a good night on Tuesday. And this is a.
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  Speaker 5: Group of.
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  Speaker 8: Influencers and organizers and activists, people who are fighting the
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  Speaker 8: good fight even when things aren't going good. So my
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  Speaker 8: first job tonight was to say thank you to all
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  Speaker 8: of you, because you're making a difference each and every day.
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  Speaker 8: My second task was to let you know I cannot
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  Speaker 8: believe that these guys have actually somehow built an audience
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  Speaker 8: basically doing the same thing that they were doing in
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  Speaker 8: the hold room or in some dive bar in Iowa,
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  Speaker 8: and that you guys are paying attention.
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  Speaker 5: Now, I think we've got.
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  Speaker 2: A photo up here. Now, look at these guys.
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  Speaker 8: Oh, no. First of all, these are not the most
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  Speaker 8: embarrassing pictures. My staff, who are friends with these guys,
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  Speaker 8: were in charge of selecting the pictures. I wanted the
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  Speaker 8: most embarrassing ones, and they weren't willing to do it
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  Speaker 8: because they did not want to humiliate them in this audience.
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  Speaker 2: Which I think is sweet. It speaks to a culture.
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  Speaker 8: Of loyalty among Obama alumni. But it's not half as
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  Speaker 8: fun as I wanted it to be. We could have
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  Speaker 8: had the picture of Tommy with no shirt on. Feel
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  Speaker 8: free to Google that if you're not familiar. Although this
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  Speaker 8: one of Levitt is indicative of Levitt. This is sort
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  Speaker 8: of how he was the entire administration. Sometimes he'd wander
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  Speaker 8: into the West Wing looking just like that. But the
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  Speaker 8: truth is I couldn't be prouder of them because they
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  Speaker 8: have not just carried on the the values and the
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  Speaker 8: struggles that we all engaged in way back when, but
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  Speaker 8: they're spreading the word to a new generation of what
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  Speaker 8: is possible in politics. And I said we had a
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  Speaker 8: good Tuesday. It was good to see progressives get off
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  Speaker 8: the mat It was a good reminder that it turns
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  Speaker 8: out that the American people are paying attention. They don't
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  Speaker 8: want cruelty. They're not looking for people on the top
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  Speaker 8: trying to entrench themselves in power. They believe in community,
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  Speaker 8: they believe in treating people with decency and respect.
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  Speaker 5: And what this.
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  Speaker 8: Election also taught us is that it turns out, it
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  Speaker 8: turns out that if, number one, you have candidates with
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  Speaker 8: integrity who believe in something and are in it for
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  Speaker 8: the right reasons, they can win. And what we also
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  Speaker 8: learned is that when young people are engaged and involved,
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  Speaker 8: then we win.
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  Speaker 5: So, since all of you.
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  Speaker 9: Are directly engaged in speaking to young people and reminding
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  Speaker 9: them of what is possible, I just wanna encourage you
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  Speaker 9: to keep doing what you're doing.
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  Speaker 8: Because, again, Tuesday was nice, We've got a lot of
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  Speaker 8: work to do. And your task is going to be
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  Speaker 8: not to impose litmus tests. We had Abigail Spanberger win,
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  Speaker 8: and we had Zohran Mondami win, and they are all
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  Speaker 8: part of a vision for the future. Our job is
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  Speaker 8: to say that We want everybody engaged. And we want
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  Speaker 8: to have a conversation about how to make sure that
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  Speaker 8: every person in this country is treated with dignity and
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  Speaker 8: respect and there are ladders of opportunity and that there's
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  Speaker 8: the possibility of community and that we're getting along, not
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  Speaker 8: in some cliche, phonied way, but in a genuine, deep
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  Speaker 8: way where we recognize, yeah, we have differences, and yes,
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  Speaker 8: There are fights that are gonna have to be fought,
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  Speaker 8: but that deep down, there is something core in us
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  Speaker 8: that we have in common that is extraordinary, and that
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  Speaker 8: America at its best leans in to this notion of
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  Speaker 8: e pluribus unum, that out of many can come one.
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  Speaker 8: That's the conversation that you need to have. That's the
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  Speaker 8: conversation that these guys are all about.
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  Speaker 2: I love them. I love you.
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  Speaker 5: Keep up the good work.
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  Speaker 2: It's all downhill from here, people. Well, do we just
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  Speaker 2: go home now? Should we call it?
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  Speaker 5: Bye.
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  Speaker 2: Call it. It gets better than that.
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  Speaker 3: That was cool.
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  Speaker 2: That was nice. You happy with the photo selection?
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  Speaker 1: Could have been better.
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  Speaker 3: Could have been worse.
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  Speaker 1: There was a couple hair transplants and GLP-1s ago. We've
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  Speaker 1: never heard a crowd do that before. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: It was pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: And you never will again. We have a great show
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  Speaker 2: for you tonight. Jasmine Crockett is here.
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  Speaker 4: And we're so lucky to have Alex with us tonight,
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  Speaker 4: the newest member of the Pod Save America family. Host
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  Speaker 4: of the newest Crooked Pod, Runaway Country, already a runaway hit.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone remembers, you were the first
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  Speaker 4: guest host on the very first Pod Save America live
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  Speaker 4: show eight years ago in Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
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  Speaker 2: Special guest Bill de Blasio.
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  Speaker 3: New York, we've come a long way.
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  Speaker 1: Same response from the crowd when Bill de Blasio came out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm happy that you invited me back. And not Bill
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  Speaker 2: de Blasio.
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  Speaker 8: Sorry.
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  Speaker 2: All right, guys.
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  Speaker 4: We had an election this week, and it was good.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the best off-year elections Democrats have had in our lifetimes.
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  Speaker 4: So good, in fact, that the results have caused a
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  Speaker 4: party filled with people who still say the 2020 election
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  Speaker 4: was rigged to actually acknowledge the reality of what happened
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  Speaker 4: on Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 6: Last night was a disaster. It was an electoral blowout.
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  Speaker 3: This is a big loss.
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  Speaker 2: We got our asses handed to us in New Jersey, Virginia,
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  Speaker 2: and New York City.
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  Speaker 11: And I'm not going to sugarcoat it, Dana.
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  Speaker 6: The Democrats had a great night.
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  Speaker 3: That is a warning that this thing is going to
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  Speaker 3: cut deeper. It is a disgrace.
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  Speaker 4: So even the White House seems to have gotten the message.
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  Speaker 4: A senior Trump advisor went on record to say that
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  Speaker 4: from here on out, Um, we'll see the president laser
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  Speaker 4: focused on affordability, uh, and the.
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  Speaker 2: Cost of living.
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  Speaker 4: Um, and, and here is an unusually humbled and reflective
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  Speaker 4: Trump already taking that advice to heart.
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  Speaker 3: We've done so much, you know, energy is way down.
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  Speaker 12: Look at energy.
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  Speaker 7: We're going to have $ 2 gasoline.
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  Speaker 3: I did that. Groceries are way down other than beef.
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  Speaker 3: Now beef is going to come down.
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  Speaker 7: You remember when I started eggs were up by four
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  Speaker 7: times what they were two days in the office and
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  Speaker 7: they tell me about eggs. I solved that.
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  Speaker 3: And the country is doing very well. But as Republicans,
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  Speaker 3: you have to talk about it.
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  Speaker 7: This week, we're celebrating the one-year anniversary of the most
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  Speaker 7: important election victory in the history of our country. And
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  Speaker 7: no president has ever come even close to doing what
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  Speaker 7: we've done in nine months.
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  Speaker 3: My fellow Americans, our.
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  Speaker 5: Movement is far from over.
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  Speaker 7: In fact, our fight has only just begun.
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  Speaker 3: We will make it.
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  Speaker 2: So weird.
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  Speaker 4: In case you were wondering, that was Tom Homan as
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  Speaker 4: a rising sun. There was a whole video they posted.
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  Speaker 4: Truth Social was wild yesterday, guys.
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  Speaker 2: It was wild. Let's start with the results themselves.
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  Speaker 4: We did a quick reaction show on Tuesday night, but
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  Speaker 4: Alex and Lovett, you guys haven't had a chance to
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  Speaker 4: weigh in yet.
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  Speaker 2: What did you think, Alex?
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  Speaker 10: I think, well, a lot of things. I think, number one,
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  Speaker 10: We finally have some of the exit polling data. I
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  Speaker 10: know Dan is probably eager to.
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  Speaker 12: Talk about it. But I just want to say.
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  Speaker 10: The idea that Mikey Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger flipped in
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  Speaker 10: literally 11 months a significant percentage of people who voted
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  Speaker 10: for Donald Trump into the Democratic ledger tells you a
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  Speaker 10: lot about the state of the Republican Party and the
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  Speaker 10: state of the Democratic Party. I think Mikey Sherrill got
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  Speaker 10: 18% of Trump's Latino voters in the state of New Jersey.
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  Speaker 10: Both of those women got 7% overall of Trump 2024
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  Speaker 10: voters to vote for them in this election. That's not
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  Speaker 10: a trend line that you want to see if you're
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  Speaker 10: a Republican. That is absolutely heartening if you are a Democrat.
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  Speaker 10: It's not just about turnout. It's about people rejecting Donald
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  Speaker 10: Trump and everything he stands for.
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  Speaker 12: In less than a year. In less than a year.
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  Speaker 10: Those are numbers that I think everybody should hold on
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  Speaker 10: to and that really, I think for people who care
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  Speaker 10: about our democracy surviving through the next century should hold
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  Speaker 10: on to as we go into the, you know, midterm
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  Speaker 10: election season that, by the way, Donald Trump is going
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  Speaker 10: to try and steal. And Zoram Amdani, like, it's really nice.
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  Speaker 10: It's really nice to look at the future of democratic
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  Speaker 10: politics and feel like it could be in good hands. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 10: right on, dude.
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  Speaker 2: Love it.
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  Speaker 8: So.
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  Speaker 4: I.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't even say anything. Nate Cohen pointed this out, that
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  Speaker 1: we have consistently underestimated how well Democrats will do when
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  Speaker 1: Trump's name is not on the ballot, and we underestimate
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  Speaker 1: how well Republicans will do when his name is on
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  Speaker 1: the ballot.
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  Speaker 3: And I feel like we did that again. We keep
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  Speaker 3: doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I went in very hopeful that we would win these
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  Speaker 1: three races. I am surprised by how well we did,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm surprised by how often I'm surprised. To Alex's point, no,
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  Speaker 1: 2024 wasn't some grand realignment, right? Trump won people he
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  Speaker 1: hadn't won before, but that doesn't represent some inescapable future
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  Speaker 1: for us. That support was wide, but it was shallow.
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  Speaker 1: And those are people that can be persuaded and be
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  Speaker 1: brought back. And that's what our job is, to figure
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  Speaker 1: out how to bring those people back again in 2026.
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  Speaker 1: when hopefully the electorate would look more like it did
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  Speaker 1: in 2025, and then in 2028 when it would look
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  Speaker 1: probably a bit more like what it looked like in 2024.
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  Speaker 1: And then, you know, I was in New York last
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  Speaker 1: night for a live show, and the enthusiasm around Zoran
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  Speaker 1: was so palpable and infectious, and, you know, everybody's seen
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  Speaker 1: the clips of Schumer kind of avoiding taking a position
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  Speaker 1: on it, And I bring it up only because I
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  Speaker 1: want to. But this is the second time in two
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  Speaker 1: days I've been in front of hundreds of really enthusiastic
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  Speaker 1: and proud Democrats who have booed the leader of the
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  Speaker 1: Democratic Party in the Senate.
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  Speaker 3: And I think it's a real problem.
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  Speaker 1: And that's not to say there aren't hard politics for
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  Speaker 1: him and some genuine concerns that a lot of people have.
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  Speaker 3: Fine.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to me that there are some Democrats more
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  Speaker 1: worried about people thinking Zoran is on their side than
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  Speaker 1: worried about how to prove to all of those enthusiastic
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  Speaker 1: people that they're on the side of those volunteers and supporters.
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  Speaker 3: And it seems our job is to.
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  Speaker 1: Make the point that President Obama just made, which is
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  Speaker 1: we are part of one big team that represents a
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  Speaker 1: lot of different points of view and that we are
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  Speaker 1: a coalition.
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  Speaker 3: And we're proudly part of a coalition.
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  Speaker 6: We're not afraid of it.
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  Speaker 2: And now I'd like to bring on our next surprise guest,
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  Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer.
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  Speaker 5: So Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 4: So, so Dan, um, you know, I've been, I've been
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  Speaker 4: wanting to ask you this cause we got a couple
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  Speaker 4: of days, we've got a lot of data. We got some, uh,
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  Speaker 4: we got some granular analysis from multiple Nates. Um, good
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  Speaker 4: and bad county by county results. What else jumped out
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  Speaker 4: at you from the data?
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  Speaker 9: Sure.
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  Speaker 11: So thank you for asking. There are two parts to
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  Speaker 11: electoral success. There's motivation and persuasion. Motivation is turnout. And
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  Speaker 11: turnout was very high in Virginia, New Jersey, and New
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  Speaker 11: York City. Even in California, which has no history of
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  Speaker 11: off-cycle elections, and there was nothing on the ballot other
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  Speaker 11: than this redistricting initiative, you had nearly 9 million people vote.
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  Speaker 3: And so Democrats had high turnout. That was good.
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  Speaker 11: But what's more important is that, as Alex pointed out,
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  Speaker 11: there was real persuasion. You need motivation and persuasion, but
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  Speaker 11: mathematically persuasion matters more because you don't only just gain
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  Speaker 11: one vote, you take one from the other side. So
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  Speaker 11: that's a net gain of two votes. And there was
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  Speaker 11: very real persuasion here. Back when Democrats were winning special
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  Speaker 11: elections in 23 and 24, you would hear people saying,
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  Speaker 11: ignore the polls, we win these special elections, elections are
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  Speaker 11: what matter. we would point out that winning special elections
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  Speaker 11: is good, but we were winning these special elections purely
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  Speaker 11: from turnout. That's not what happened on Tuesday at all.
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  Speaker 11: So in the exit polls, right, you have in Virginia,
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  Speaker 11: New Jersey, 7% of people who pulled the letter for
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  Speaker 11: Trump one year ago voted for Spanberger and Sherrill. In
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  Speaker 11: New York City, 9% of 2024 Trump voters voted for Zoran.
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  Speaker 11: And I find this one even more mind-boggling, which is
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  Speaker 11: in California, 12% of Trump voters voted for Gavin Newsom's
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  Speaker 11: redistricting initiative.
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  Speaker 2: That's wild.
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  Speaker 11: So, but as we've always said on this podcast, that
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  Speaker 11: exit polls are directionally correct, but imprecise measures of elections.
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  Speaker 11: But we normally have to wait a long time for
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  Speaker 11: voter data. But in New Jersey, we actually have specific
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  Speaker 11: voter data from half of New Jersey. And what it
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  Speaker 11: found is that Cheryl had about a two and a
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  Speaker 11: half point turnout advantage over Kamala Harris in the half
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  Speaker 11: that we have it for. But in those counties, Cheryl
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  Speaker 11: outperformed Kamala Harris by nine points. And the only way
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  Speaker 11: to explain that is a pretty significant number of Trump
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  Speaker 11: voters flipping. And what's even more important and notable there
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  Speaker 11: is of the counties that we have data includes the
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  Speaker 11: counties like Bergen, Passaic, and Hudson, which have large pockets
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  Speaker 11: of Latino voters. When you look at the townships, with
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  Speaker 11: large Latino electorates, huge shifts, semi-double digit shifts or more
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  Speaker 11: in Sheryl's favor over 2024. So this is an election
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  Speaker 11: where people who supported Donald Trump voted for a Democrat,
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  Speaker 11: and that's the thing that's scared the shit out of
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  Speaker 11: every single Republican.
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  Speaker 4: The craziest stat I saw was in Virginia, the precinct,
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  Speaker 4: This is Chaz Nuttycomb is an analyst in Virginia who
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  Speaker 4: does really good work.
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  Speaker 1: This crowd knows Chaz Nuttycomb.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, as I say, the real ones know. The precinct
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  Speaker 4: that flipped the most, 50 points, 50 point swing, was
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  Speaker 4: like the most heavily Latino precinct in Fairfax County, which
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  Speaker 4: is pretty big. So you do see like, because people
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  Speaker 4: are wondering like, is it just like differential turnout or
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  Speaker 4: some Latino staying home or not? But like, We are,
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  Speaker 4: there's now evidence in Jersey and Virginia that a lot
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  Speaker 4: of Latinos who might have pulled the lever for Trump
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  Speaker 4: switched over to Democrat.
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  Speaker 10: Turns out terrorizing black and brown communities doesn't really resonate
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  Speaker 10: that well with those black and brown communities.
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  Speaker 4: So Tommy, White House, everyone except for Trump seems to
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  Speaker 4: realize affordability is important now.
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  Speaker 2: People care about the cost of living.
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  Speaker 4: I do find it amusing that Trump is basically like
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  Speaker 4: rerunning Biden's actually everything.
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  Speaker 2: Is great message. Mm-hmm.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: But say Trump, say they convince Trump to, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: talk more about affordability and cost of living.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: What would that even look.
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Like next year? And what do you think he's going
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: to face some difficulties doing that?
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, it is.
• 22:38
  Speaker 13: It is very funny that he is making the exact
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: same mistake as Biden, which is just to decide that
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: the real problem is that we're not getting enough credit
• 22:47
  Speaker 13: for the shit we have already done. That is a
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: mistake that like every president makes. I think we have
• 22:51
  Speaker 13: it's very deeply triggering, I think, for. All of us,
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: because we've all been in the meeting where the policy
• 22:56
  Speaker 13: person is like, sir, everything you're doing is great and
• 22:58
  Speaker 13: everyone has benefited and look at all these statistics. But
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: the message isn't getting out there and the comms people
• 23:03
  Speaker 13: just get like destroyed. And it's very tempting to think
• 23:05
  Speaker 13: it's a PR problem, but it's clearly not. I mean,
• 23:07
  Speaker 13: people are pissed, prices are going up. They made their
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: voices heard at the polls and now Trump has to
• 23:12
  Speaker 13: actually do something about it. So the analysis is right,
• 23:15
  Speaker 13: but I just have no confidence that he can change
• 23:20
  Speaker 13: his approach because it would basically involve undoing his entire
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: policy agenda, starting with tariffs, right? I mean, we tariff
• 23:27
  Speaker 13: the Chinese, the tariffs go up, tariffs come down, we
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: give some AI chips, they buy some soybeans, it's like
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: doesn't make any sense. The Canadians run one TV ad
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: during a baseball game that features the Gipper, we're tariffing them.
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: The Brazilians are prosecuting their former president who did it
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: January 6th, and Trump is mad about that, so he
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: tariffs them. So in the net effect, it's just a
• 23:49
  Speaker 13: tax on all of us, which makes prices go up.
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Then there's energy.
• 23:53
  Speaker 13: Trump is killing off all renewable energy programs just because
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: he wants to, even ones that are basically done. And
• 23:59
  Speaker 13: this is happening as we're building massive AI data centers
• 24:02
  Speaker 13: that are increasing the demand.
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: So the price there is just going to keep going up.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: Even the ICE raids are.
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: Going to have an economic impact because the construction industry
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: has been constrained by a labor shortage. And once you
• 24:15
  Speaker 13: have ICE and CBP goons raiding Home Depot parking lots
• 24:19
  Speaker 13: and going to construction sites, that's going to make the
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: cost of housing go up. So the final part that
• 24:26
  Speaker 13: I don't see happening is he would have to be disciplined.
• 24:29
  Speaker 13: Donald Trump doesn't want to wake up every day and
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: talk about affordability. He wants a president from a stand
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: country to tell him that he deserves a Nobel Peace
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: Prize or to like shake down a Raytheon CEO for
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: money for the fucking ballroom. So the diagnosis is right,
• 24:45
  Speaker 13: but he's not going to do it.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Well, he's also psychologically incapable of doing it.
• 24:48
  Speaker 11: Because to truly have an affordability message where you feel
• 24:51
  Speaker 11: people's pain, you have to admit you have not succeeded
• 24:54
  Speaker 11: on the thing you said you would do. And Donald
• 24:56
  Speaker 11: Trump's 79 years old. At no point in those 79
• 24:58
  Speaker 11: years has he ever admitted fault on anything. So I
• 25:01
  Speaker 11: don't think that's going to change now, right?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: On the same day he said we're focusing on affordability,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: he basically called Nancy Pelosi the C word. Like, I
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: don't think he's going to be disciplined.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: He also announced today that they were going to lower
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: the prices of some weight loss drugs. But even when
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: he's doing something like that, he's like, you know, and
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: then all the prescription drugs, they're down 1,000%, 3,000%, 5,000%.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: And so even if he doesn't acknowledge that affordability is
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: a problem, which obviously he's not going to do, he's
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: just going to pretend that it's gone and that he
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: solved everything. And again, you cannot tell people that what
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: they are feeling about the economy and their lives is
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: not true. It does not work.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: It doesn't work. I'm sorry.
• 25:41
  Speaker 10: Go ahead, Alex. I was just going to say, I
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: don't even think he understands the concept of affordability. This
• 25:46
  Speaker 10: is like a game the system billionaire who's trying to
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: turn our democracy into a kleptocracy and has turned the
• 25:53
  Speaker 10: White House into the inside of Aladdin's lamp.
• 25:57
  Speaker 12: Do you know what I mean?
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Affordability is like, did I get a good deal on
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: the marble slab for the arch?
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know anything about affordability.
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: I mean, affordability might as well be like Homerian. It
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: could be like a PhD course on the Iliad. He
• 26:14
  Speaker 10: doesn't know anything about that. It's just complete, literally.
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: Greek to him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: I do wonder if the Supreme Court could potentially save
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: his ass by... ruling against him on tariffs.
• 26:25
  Speaker 11: But even then, they've said they have all these other
• 26:29
  Speaker 11: extraordinary ways to impose tariffs.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Which would be very funny.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: So just think about this.
• 26:33
  Speaker 11: Affordability is his message, and he has lawyers in court
• 26:35
  Speaker 11: right now trying to keep people's prices high. And if
• 26:37
  Speaker 11: the court does him a favor and rules against him,
• 26:40
  Speaker 11: he's going to have those same lawyers.
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: To try harder. To try harder.
• 26:42
  Speaker 11: The only thing, he's tried harder at two things, right?
• 26:45
  Speaker 11: Corruption and making your prices high. That's his full agenda.
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And stopping us from seeing the Epstein files.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, there you go.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: So, Alex, there is the matter of the fact that
• 26:58
  Speaker 4: Trump's not going to be on the ballot in 2026,
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: but a whole bunch of Republicans in Congress are. So
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: they have to decide what they're going to do and
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: what they're going to run on. What do you think
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: that campaign looks like? Do they try to break from
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the president on cost of living and affordability issues? Do
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: they just try to shift the themes of the election
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: to go back to crime and immigration? Do they just
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: smile and go down with the ship?
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: What do they do?
• 27:23
  Speaker 10: Do you remember when conservatives used to call liberals the
• 27:26
  Speaker 10: beta cucks?
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: Do I ever?
• 27:29
  Speaker 10: Well, I would say we have a party full of
• 27:33
  Speaker 10: them now.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And that is the GOP.
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: I mean, look, I think the shutdown is going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: tell us a lot about the degree to which pressure will,
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: enough pressure will force them to break with Trump. Because
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: everything that he's doing right now in terms of the
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: shutdown is terrible politics for them. You know, we're talking
• 27:52
  Speaker 10: about health insurance that's going to rise on 23 million Americans.
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: We're talking about food stamps that keep 42 million people
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: out of poverty, at least half of which live in
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: Trump-supporting red states, right? We're talking about basic sort of
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: infrastructure concerns, whether you can fly in an airplane or
• 28:10
  Speaker 10: not and feel safe, that affect Americans across the country.
• 28:13
  Speaker 10: And Republicans know they got to do something about this.
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: And by the way, even if they don't want to
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: do a deal with the Democrats, they're going to have
• 28:19
  Speaker 10: to pay the piper when people in their own state say, hey, man,
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: I can't go to the doctor anymore. That's like the
• 28:26
  Speaker 10: reality that awaits them. So if they're smart, they'll do something,
• 28:30
  Speaker 10: and they'll break with him, because he obviously would be
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: happy to see the country starve and get sick. But
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: he's just a, he is a, I really think this
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: is real world sadism, the likes of which we have
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: not seen in this century. So I think that'll be
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: a litmus test. But I mean, it's hard for me
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: to imagine what exactly the Republican platform is beyond Trumpism.
• 28:52
  Speaker 10: It's completely ideologically incoherent. It's nativism, but it's also some
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: kinds of expansionism. It's a populism that is informed by
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: crypto bros and kleptocracy. I mean, it's completely retrograde. There's
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: a very strange and now semi-public streak of Nazism that
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: like runs through it, or at least dalliances with Hitler
• 29:14
  Speaker 10: that I guess people text about regularly in Republican leadership circles. So,
• 29:20
  Speaker 10: you know, I don't, I think that he's laid waste
• 29:22
  Speaker 10: to one of the two parties in America and it's
• 29:24
  Speaker 10: utterly unclear to me what Phoenix rises from that ash heap.
• 29:29
  Speaker 10: I'm not holding out a lot of hope. Yeah.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Um, so then let's talk about, uh, democratic strategy for
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: the midterms. Um, the mood has obviously grown a lot
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: more bullish, uh, since Tuesday, um, prop 50 passed in California. Um,
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: and then soon after that, Kansas Republicans announced that they're
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: sort of dropping their effort to redraw the maps in Kansas. Um,
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: On the other hand, Jared Golden, a representative for Maine,
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: Democrat for Maine, said he's not going to be running
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: for re-election again. So it's going to be harder to
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: keep that seat. Lovett, where's your head at on the
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: House right now and sort of the campaign to take
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: back the House?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: So one thing that's been kind of bubbling up and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: has been a natural break against how far Republicans can
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: go in gerrymandering is that in order to make a
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: blue seat red, you have to find those red votes somewhere.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Where do you find them? Deeper red seats.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: And so it's all a negotiation, and they do it
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. They don't act like no republic is
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: going to go in public and say, no, no, don't
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: do this. I want to keep my seat. But Republican politicians,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: like Democratic politicians, are politicians. And they would much rather
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: be in Congress in the minority than be lobbyists in
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: the majority.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: They would. They want their jobs.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: They care about their jobs more than they do about
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. And all of a sudden, wait
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: a second. These numbers are not just bad. They're very bad.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And maybe we've drawn some maps in Texas where it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: possible that we've accidentally shaved off just a few too
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: many Republicans in a district here and a district there.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Which is why I think you see Mike Johnson out
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: there today saying like, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, right?
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Because a lot of what.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Their plan is to do all of these gerrymanders is
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to reassure Republicans that they're not gonna lose because they
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: got a little too greedy. And I think that's why
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: you see some of these plans going away. So that
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: to me is what I take away from this so far.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: It has sent a nervous signal that they're in trouble,
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: which maybe will protect us from how much gerrymandering they
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: were planning to do and puts us in a position
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: to win big if we do everything right. And that
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: is not the guarantee to make it much harder for
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: them to do the kind of shenanigans that Trump is
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: clearly interested in trying to drum up over the next
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: year with intimidation, with uh, threats of fraud with schemes
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: to grab voter machines and all the rest. So I, uh,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: nothing is written, but I feel like we all woke up, uh,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: rightly more hopeful today than we did a week ago.
• 32:00
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: Um, so Dan, the, the bulwark had a piece today
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: that said the Democrats have even started to get bullish
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: about retaking the Senate. Um, So everyone knows, it is
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: a steep hill. We would have to keep seats in
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: Georgia and Michigan. We would have to flip Maine and
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: North Carolina. And then we'd need two of the following four, Iowa, Ohio, Texas,
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: and Alaska.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: And wait till you hear about their tattoos. There's a
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: Senate race in Maine?
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: There's a Senate race in Maine?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: There is a Senate race in Maine.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I hadn't heard that.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I finally remembered all the states on this one. So, Dan,
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: what do you think? Are you hopeful about the Senate?
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: Did you ask this question for me? Is my job
• 32:53
  Speaker 11: to rain on people's parade?
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Of course.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm not going to do that, John.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Dan.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: Dan.
• 32:59
  Speaker 11: Look, if we are being honest here, it is a
• 33:02
  Speaker 11: tough path. But I feel much better about that path.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: After Tuesday, they went otherwise.
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: Because if Spanberger and Sherrill had just won by the
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: same margins that Kamala Harris won Virginia and Jersey by,
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: I would think that path was closed off to us.
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: So as you pointed out, and it's not just those
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: seats we have to win. We also have to defend
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: open seats in Michigan, New Hampshire, Minnesota, defend John Ossoff.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: I forgot New Hampshire and Minnesota too. I was giving
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: us those, but all right.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: And so that is all doable, right?
• 33:33
  Speaker 11: Not in the fact that Democrats just had their first
• 33:37
  Speaker 11: non-federal statewide victories in Georgia in 30 years is, I think,
• 33:42
  Speaker 11: a positive sign for John Ossoff.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: And we have a very good candidate in North Carolina.
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: in Roy Cooper.
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: We have a very good candidate in Ohio in Sherrod Brown.
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: We have an array of interesting candidates in Iowa, right?
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: And then in Texas, we have several good candidates from
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: James Tallarico to Colin Arred, and maybe our next guest,
• 34:08
  Speaker 11: Jasmine Crockett.
• 34:08
  Speaker 6: There we go.
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: Here's the argument for, I think Democrats, to the extent
• 34:14
  Speaker 11: we can do it, have to push all of our
• 34:15
  Speaker 11: chips into the table on the Senate. because the 2028
• 34:19
  Speaker 11: Senate map is very bad. We have to defend seats
• 34:22
  Speaker 11: in Pennsylvania.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: We say that now every two years.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: Well, it's all good.
• 34:26
  Speaker 11: It's every, every once, every three, once every six years,
• 34:30
  Speaker 11: the map is good. Um, but we have to defend
• 34:33
  Speaker 11: all those States.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: We held seats.
• 34:34
  Speaker 11: We held on to in 2022, right? Nevada, Arizona, Pennsylvania.
• 34:38
  Speaker 11: And there's very few pickup opportunities. Maybe just North Carolina
• 34:41
  Speaker 11: is probably the most likely one. And so if we
• 34:43
  Speaker 11: want to have any chance of a, of a, governing
• 34:46
  Speaker 11: trifecta for a Democratic president in 2029, we got to
• 34:48
  Speaker 11: make up a lot of ground in the Senate this cycle,
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: even if we don't take the majority.
• 34:55
  Speaker 13: This is an only good vibes night, right? So we're
• 34:59
  Speaker 13: all just bringing joy to the table. We don't want
• 35:00
  Speaker 13: to bum anybody out. But I do think we should
• 35:01
  Speaker 13: remember the 2022 midterms because I think we took some
• 35:06
  Speaker 13: of the wrong lessons from them as a party. Remember,
• 35:10
  Speaker 13: I think President Biden and the people around him saw
• 35:13
  Speaker 13: the 2022 midterms as an endorsement of him and his
• 35:17
  Speaker 13: presidency and his political agenda. When in reality, it was
• 35:23
  Speaker 13: far more likely that voters in Georgia and Pennsylvania were like,
• 35:29
  Speaker 13: what the fuck?
• 35:31
  Speaker 6: Herschel Walker? You guys want us to vote for Herschel Walker?
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: Oz?
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: You want us to vote for Blake Masters in Arizona?
• 35:36
  Speaker 13: Like the single most unappealing human being was maybe ever
• 35:39
  Speaker 13: run for office. And so, I think what that did
• 35:44
  Speaker 13: was it delayed a conversation about Joe Biden's age and
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: his capacity to run again. And it delayed a conversation
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: about our gerontocracy problem as a party. And we just,
• 35:57
  Speaker 13: we can't do that this time around. 2025 can't prevent
• 36:01
  Speaker 13: us from talking about concerns that we all have with
• 36:05
  Speaker 13: leaders in the Democratic Party. It can't prevent us from
• 36:09
  Speaker 13: talking about the need for term limits on congressional committees,
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: which I knew you wrote about this week. a message
• 36:13
  Speaker 13: box so that young members of Congress can actually accrue
• 36:16
  Speaker 13: power and advance.
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: And we can't get too high on our own supply.
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: We can get a little high.
• 36:23
  Speaker 3: I think there's an important point here.
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: Now I will return to my normal role as pessimist,
• 36:28
  Speaker 11: which is even in Virginia and New Jersey, Republicans are
• 36:31
  Speaker 11: more popular than Democrats. And so it's one way you
• 36:34
  Speaker 11: could look at that is, well, I guess the party
• 36:37
  Speaker 11: brand problem is not as big as we thought. That's
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: a mistake, because in New Jersey and Virginia, the candidates
• 36:43
  Speaker 11: were statewide candidates who had millions of dollars to define themselves,
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: in some cases, in opposition to the party brand. When
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: it comes to winning the House, most congressional candidates, particularly challengers,
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: are generic Democrats in the minds of voters. And so
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: the work we have to do to improve the Democratic
• 36:58
  Speaker 11: Party brand has to start now, because we need a
• 37:00
  Speaker 11: better party brand if we want to not just take
• 37:03
  Speaker 11: the House, but have a real majority coming out of 2026.
• 37:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, I just also want to sound a note
• 37:08
  Speaker 10: of caution. I was talking to David Plouffe last week
• 37:11
  Speaker 10: for my podcast, Runaway Country. I highly encourage you to
• 37:13
  Speaker 10: subscribe to it. And we should assume he's going to
• 37:17
  Speaker 10: try and steal the election, too. I mean, in addition
• 37:19
  Speaker 10: to these sort of structural realities, there is the fact
• 37:22
  Speaker 10: that he is announcing a plan to try and steal
• 37:24
  Speaker 10: the election through redistricting. He sent election monitors in to
• 37:28
  Speaker 10: New Jersey and California. He will surely send them in
• 37:30
  Speaker 10: to blue states or contested races in 2026. He has
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: installed notorious election deniers at the Department of Homeland Security.
• 37:37
  Speaker 10: And he is willing to militarize the National Guard and
• 37:40
  Speaker 10: send it into blue cities on a whim.
• 37:43
  Speaker 12: And I think we.
• 37:43
  Speaker 10: Should all be prepared for Trump to pull all of
• 37:46
  Speaker 10: those levers in 2026 because he is desperate not to
• 37:49
  Speaker 10: have congressional oversight. And the trick is for Democrats and
• 37:53
  Speaker 10: citizens of this country to laugh when he says there's
• 37:57
  Speaker 10: been fraud.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: It is a farce.
• 37:59
  Speaker 10: And he will try and claim it, and Mike Johnson
• 38:01
  Speaker 10: will try and claim it, and just like he's not
• 38:02
  Speaker 10: seating Adelito Grijalva, if there's a narrow Democratic majority in
• 38:07
  Speaker 10: the House come 2026, I can bet you Mike Johnson
• 38:10
  Speaker 10: is not going to want to seat it. So everybody
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: needs to be prepared for that reality and dig in
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: and make sure it doesn't come to fruition.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: And one way to reduce the chances of that happening
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: is to turn out in such large numbers that it's
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: not close, I think, I think Trump's line in 24
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: was too big to rig.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Too big to rig for us. All right. We'll be
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: back with more news in a bit. But first.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Now it's time for a game. Donald Trump, Dr.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Oz, and what sounded like either a filing cabinet filled
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: with silver dollars that got sucked into a jet engine
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: or Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Gathered in the Oval Office
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: today for an historic announcement. They couldn't help but make
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it weird. So it's time to play.
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: You know the rules, and if you don't, you'll catch
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: on quick. We're gonna watch these goons strut their stuff,
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: and I'll call, okay, stop. We'll all descend like the
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: keto-only vultures that we are. And then we'll roll the
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: next clip.
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: Are you guys ready?
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 39:16
  Speaker 10: All right.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: We have an update, Secretary Kennedy.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: We thought it was 125 million pounds. Mr.
• 39:22
  Speaker 11: President, our estimate, based on the company numbers as well,
• 39:25
  Speaker 11: is Americans will lose 135 billion pounds by the midterm.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop. They've got their eyes on the prize. Americans
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: voted to be made snatched. That's what 2024 was about.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Who was going to tighten this shit up?
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: We talking about the British currency? What are we talking
• 39:46
  Speaker 6: about here?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: People got to get going. Aggregate weight loss?
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is about, he is adding up all the
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: pounds that we are going to collectively lose. I will
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: just note that for America to lose 135 billion pounds, collectively,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: every person in this room is responsible for over 400
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: pounds of weight loss. So get on that Stairmaster because
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: we've got work to do to hit these tough goals
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: from Dr. Oz.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: And you can, like, get eaten now, you know, just
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: to get it up and then get down again. Oh, yeah, true.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: I guess we have a little bit of time.
• 40:18
  Speaker 6: Pad the stats.
• 40:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: I.
• 40:24
  Speaker 10: I.
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 40:26
  Speaker 10: what is like, it's not like tonally off. It's just
• 40:30
  Speaker 10: like people who literally have their heads up their asses.
• 40:33
  Speaker 10: When you host a Gatsby party, then go off on
• 40:36
  Speaker 10: how much, how people are going to lose all this
• 40:40
  Speaker 10: weight at the same time that you're refusing to pay
• 40:42
  Speaker 10: out SNAP benefits and starving 42 million people in this country.
• 40:47
  Speaker 10: Like what in the actual fuck?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, part of the strategy is keep grocery prices high.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I guess, yeah, that's one way to think
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: about it. Just so people understand, they've announced today that
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: they're gonna, they've done a deal where they're gonna lower
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: the price of drugs like Manjaro and Wegovy and Zepbound
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: and Ozempic, but they, let's see what Trump had to
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: say next about, they couldn't, they just, they can't help
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: but step on a rake in these moments.
• 41:17
  Speaker 7: Bobby, you haven't changed your view on Tylenol for women
• 41:19
  Speaker 7: that are pregnant? No.
• 41:22
  Speaker 9: As I said.
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: There's some false reports.
• 41:24
  Speaker 7: Out about Tylenol that Bobby changes. I don't think he's changing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to change until the science changes.
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, stop.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Did he have a long day?
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Did they movie him?
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: Was he slim something?
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: He's like, oh my God.
• 41:41
  Speaker 12: It's Tylenol.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Did I take the Tylenol? He took the wrong pill.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: That's what happened.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: He took the Xanax.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: What did he put in my Tylenol?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: He took the pill Biden took before that debate.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: Whatever. He wanted the pro-vigil. That's my genuine theory.
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: That's my genuine theory. They gave him the downer instead
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: of the upper. But back to this.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So just to be clear, this is a moment of,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: is Donald Trump interrupting what is ultimately a good announcement
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: for them to say, now Bobby, there's some reports out
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: there that you're not as insane as everyone fucking thinks.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: That you're not out there telling.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: People that Tylenol causes autism.
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: And you still think that, right?
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: You still think it's the Tylenol causing the autism, even
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: though that's fucking nuts? He's like, absolutely, sir.
• 42:30
  Speaker 6: Don't worry, sir.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: All right, let's keep going.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: I think at 1,000%, 1,200%, nobody's ever said anything like this.
• 42:42
  Speaker 7: Nobody else could have done it, but I say that modestly.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: That's good.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: That was good.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: That's self-awareness.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: He knows that's a joke. That's good. He got one.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: He got one.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: He got one.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: So this is, John was referring to this earlier. He's
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: lowered prices by a thousand percent. Novo Nordic is paying
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: you now.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: Take it. Take the shot. Handing him out. Is his
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: chair too big?
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: It looks too big, right?
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: It does look too big. At the top of his head.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: It is big, even when he leans back.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: He looks like a baby.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: His posture's bad, right? Because when he's talking to RFK Jr.,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: he's back like this.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: It's a C-curve.
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: It's a C-curve.
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: He doesn't have the core strength. This guy's not done it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: A couple things Donald Trump does not know how to do.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: Pay for gas. Use a self-checkout at CVS.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Do any kind of obliques.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: A crunch.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Generate a PDF.
• 43:43
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Pass the ice course.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah. All right, let's keep going.
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: You know, leading US company, leading European company. We've dropped
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: infertility drugs. We'll make lots of Trump babies. I'm hoping
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: by the midterms.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, stop.
• 43:58
  Speaker 8: Stop.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Don't drink the water.
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: It's not Tylenol.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: It's in the water.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Don't boo.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: And we're the ones that rig elections?
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: We're hoping to have a lot of Trump babies by
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the midterms.
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: Suddenly they believe in replacement theory there.
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: They're bringing in all the Trump babies.
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Are they Jewish?
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: And that's OK Stop.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder how I'll feel when I'm John's age.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the shutdown, which is now
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: the longest in history. Yes, yes, boo.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: Depending on who you listen to and when, it's either
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: about to end soon or going to go on forever,
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: which I'm sure nobody here wants, especially those of you
• 46:32
  Speaker 4: who count on a paycheck from the federal government.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Also, those of us who hope to.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Someday get on a plane out of D.C., The Trump
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: administration has decided that starting Friday, the FAA will be
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: reducing air traffic by 10% across 40 different markets. A
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: court is now forcing them to use emergency funds to
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: pay out SNAP benefits, so that's good. Don't get too
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: excited because now money for winter heating assistance programs is
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: on hold, which could potentially leave 6 million households with
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: no way to stay warm. So Senate Democrats have been
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: negotiating with Republicans over a possible deal on Obamacare subsidies
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: to end the shutdown, though Mike Johnson threw a bunch
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: of cold water on that today when he said he
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: will not promise a vote on Obamacare subsidy extensions in
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: the House. But the best idea, shockingly, comes from none
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: other than Donald Trump.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: Let's listen.
• 47:34
  Speaker 7: Remember, Republicans, regardless of the Schumer shutdown, the Democrats will
• 47:39
  Speaker 7: terminate the filibuster the first chance they get.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we will.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: Don't be stupid, Republicans.
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: These deranged Democrat politicians will never again have the chance
• 47:50
  Speaker 7: to destroy America.
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: They tried to destroy your country. Republicans, you will.
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: Rue the day that you didn't terminate the filibuster. There
• 48:01
  Speaker 7: we go.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: And he's right, he's right.
• 48:02
  Speaker 11: Donald Trump or a 2021 episode of Pod Save America.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: And threaten us with a good time.
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: Going to send him an abolish the filibuster tee from
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: the Crooked Merch store. So Republican senators have already said,
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: absolutely not. The votes aren't there. John Thielen said the
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: votes aren't there. People like Tom Tillis said, I will
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: never vote for this. Get rid of the filibuster. Alex,
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: what do you think the Democrats should be holding out
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: for here? Because we're going to start getting more flight delays,
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: there's the heating assistance, the SNAP benefits, even though the
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: court ordered them to pay them out, the emergency funding
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: is going to run out.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: What do you think?
• 48:39
  Speaker 10: Okay, let's just be clear that Donald Trump, this summer,
• 48:43
  Speaker 10: showed that he is willing to unilaterally rescind congressional funding. Like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 10: that is something that's not going to get tackled in
• 48:52
  Speaker 10: all this, the rescission aspect of all this. Like, he'll
• 48:55
  Speaker 10: do whatever the fuck he wants to do to some degree.
• 48:57
  Speaker 10: And so Democrats, I think the people that are rightfully
• 49:01
  Speaker 10: holding out right now are saying, how do we have
• 49:03
  Speaker 10: any guarantee that the Americans we are talking to who
• 49:07
  Speaker 10: are terrified that they're going to lose their medical care
• 49:10
  Speaker 10: will have any recourse unless we get something done in Congress?
• 49:14
  Speaker 10: And even then, how do we know that Trump's not
• 49:17
  Speaker 10: just going to undo all.
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: Of it, right?
• 49:18
  Speaker 10: There's so much uncertainty. And I think we have to
• 49:20
  Speaker 10: look at this in two ways. There is the immediate pain,
• 49:23
  Speaker 10: which is very real, right? But make no mistake, Donald
• 49:27
  Speaker 10: Trump is withholding the SNAP money.
• 49:30
  Speaker 12: The money is there. It is in the emergency reserves.
• 49:32
  Speaker 10: It is why federal district court judges are saying, give
• 49:36
  Speaker 10: the money up. American people need to eat. We're not
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: a country that starves its own. We have the money.
• 49:42
  Speaker 10: That is Donald Trump's doing. That is not congressional Democrats.
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: And congressional Democrats are looking for a resolution to a
• 49:50
  Speaker 10: very urgent problem. I don't know if how many people
• 49:52
  Speaker 10: are doing open enrollment started November 1st. We talked to
• 49:55
  Speaker 10: someone this week on the podcast whose medical care is
• 49:58
  Speaker 10: going from $ 100 a month to $ 886 a month. Jesus. Like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 10: And this is for care that she needs in order
• 50:06
  Speaker 10: to be a functional person in the workplace and in life, right?
• 50:09
  Speaker 10: This is not an abstract showdown in Congress. This is
• 50:13
  Speaker 10: people really trying to find an answer that is so
• 50:17
  Speaker 10: urgent and so pressing in the lives of people across
• 50:20
  Speaker 10: this country.
• 50:21
  Speaker 12: So I get it.
• 50:22
  Speaker 10: Like there's this sort of the narrative here of how
• 50:25
  Speaker 10: long Democrats hold up. I think what they're trying to
• 50:27
  Speaker 10: do is get some assurance from Republicans that they're going
• 50:31
  Speaker 10: to fix this problem. People can't go without, you can't,
• 50:35
  Speaker 10: 23 million Americans can't.
• 50:36
  Speaker 12: Go without healthcare.
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: That is catastrophic for our country, morally and economically. And like,
• 50:43
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to fly out. I'm probably going to
• 50:45
  Speaker 10: be here for three months or maybe get deported. I
• 50:48
  Speaker 10: don't even know what happens to me in Washington, D.C.
• 50:50
  Speaker 10: Because like my airport's closed and whatever else. Like this
• 50:53
  Speaker 10: is not, what's happening in the airports is real. All
• 50:56
  Speaker 10: of these things are practical realities that I think need
• 50:59
  Speaker 10: to be dealt with. But But let us not put
• 51:01
  Speaker 10: it all on Democrats' plate. The reason the worst of
• 51:04
  Speaker 10: this is happening is because we have a recalcitrant sadist
• 51:07
  Speaker 10: in the White House who does not want to take
• 51:09
  Speaker 10: care of the American people. And I guess I don't
• 51:12
  Speaker 10: blame the Democrats that this week, after all these gains,
• 51:15
  Speaker 10: are saying, maybe we don't cave 48 hours after the
• 51:18
  Speaker 10: country showed us they want us to fight.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: So....
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 51:22
  Speaker 12: I don't think it's going.
• 51:23
  Speaker 10: To go on forever, but I absolutely understand the strategy
• 51:28
  Speaker 10: to push the Republican Party as far as they possibly can,
• 51:31
  Speaker 10: especially because the President of the United States is saying,
• 51:34
  Speaker 10: this shutdown's a fucking disaster for us.
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Use the leverage, dudes.
• 51:37
  Speaker 12: That's what I say.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Tommy, what do you think? You think Democrats will stand strong? Yeah,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, look.
• 51:46
  Speaker 13: I know he's gonna keep ratcheting up the pain, but
• 51:48
  Speaker 13: I don't know for sure, but I suspect that voters
• 51:51
  Speaker 13: will continue to blame the administration more than they blame Democrats,
• 51:55
  Speaker 13: who they intuitively know have no power, especially when it
• 51:57
  Speaker 13: comes to like the FAA or the SNAP benefits or
• 52:00
  Speaker 13: something like that. And my message, if I were a
• 52:04
  Speaker 13: Democratic leader, would be to continue talking about the reason
• 52:08
  Speaker 13: for the shutdown, the fact that, as Alex just said,
• 52:10
  Speaker 13: healthcare prices are about to double, triple, quadruple for people.
• 52:15
  Speaker 13: I would also make the point that Republicans are not
• 52:17
  Speaker 13: serious about ending the shutdown. The Republicans in the House
• 52:20
  Speaker 13: have been out of session this whole time. They're at home,
• 52:23
  Speaker 13: dicking around in their districts. They're not here trying to
• 52:26
  Speaker 13: cut a deal. And Trump has been even worse. He
• 52:29
  Speaker 13: has just checked out. He should be negotiating every day.
• 52:34
  Speaker 13: If I were the president of the United States and
• 52:35
  Speaker 13: I wanted to end the shutdown, I would call the
• 52:37
  Speaker 13: congressional leaders to the White House, lock them in the
• 52:40
  Speaker 13: Roosevelt room, and say, you're not leaving until we have
• 52:42
  Speaker 13: a fucking deal.
• 52:43
  Speaker 6: We're going to red wedding this thing You know?
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: I like.
• 52:49
  Speaker 8: That.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: Metaphorically, red wedding.
• 52:51
  Speaker 13: And so, you know, but like instead, Trump is giving
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: us a gift, which is throwing great Gatsby parties at
• 52:59
  Speaker 13: Mar-a-Lago and rebuilding, you know, tearing down and then building
• 53:03
  Speaker 13: the East Wing and shaking down corporations to pay for it.
• 53:06
  Speaker 13: And so like none of this is to minimize the
• 53:09
  Speaker 13: harm that is happening because of the shutdown. Like I'm
• 53:12
  Speaker 13: flying out on Saturday. I'm not excited about it. The
• 53:14
  Speaker 13: snap cuts are sadistic. That is the right word for them.
• 53:17
  Speaker 13: There are all these families up in Maine that won't
• 53:20
  Speaker 13: get a bucket of money called LIHEAP, which basically helps
• 53:23
  Speaker 13: low income people literally heat their homes when it's too cold.
• 53:26
  Speaker 13: But my message to those people and Democrats who are
• 53:30
  Speaker 13: worried about that is I think Donald Trump is coming
• 53:32
  Speaker 13: for those programs anyway. You know, and I think we
• 53:35
  Speaker 13: got to stand up and win this fight now if
• 53:38
  Speaker 13: we want to defend those things later.
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: Also, I.
• 53:47
  Speaker 4: Find it very odd that Donald Trump, the day after
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: the election, basically admitted that they lost because of the shutdown.
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: And everyone's mad about the shutdown. And so then his
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: next move was, let's make it even more painful by
• 54:02
  Speaker 4: shutting down the airports.
• 54:03
  Speaker 14: Right.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: Cutting the energy assistance.
• 54:05
  Speaker 7: Crazy.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the smartest political move, but,
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: you know.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: And also, I'm gonna make it about the filibuster, which
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: is ostensibly saying Democrats are lockstep and united, an implacable
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: force we cannot defeat. The only hope is that I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: get the Republicans to bend and break on this issue,
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: which they are reluctant to do, because for the same
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: reason they are annoyed by Trump putting all the pressure
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: on them, because the second the filibuster doesn't exist, Four
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: of the least conservative Republicans in the Senate are the
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: bulwark against the dumbest shit that the House Republicans can
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: come up with on a Tuesday. Which is what they're like, no,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: thank you. We morally support the filibuster. Also, without it,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: our lives are fucking terrible.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: But also, by pushing them so publicly, he's also admitting that...
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: it's not Democrats keeping the government shut down. Republicans tomorrow
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: could vote to change the rules in the Senate, get
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: rid of the filibuster, and open the whole government.
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: If you were trying to lose the shutdown fight, this
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: is exactly how you do it. You would be the
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: people who are most blamed for it, but then you
• 55:05
  Speaker 11: would then make everyone's life worse, therefore making them madder
• 55:07
  Speaker 11: at you because they blame you. And then you would
• 55:10
  Speaker 11: basically affirm the other side's message that you're the ones
• 55:14
  Speaker 11: who shut the government down in some sort of weird
• 55:16
  Speaker 11: nationally televised address.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: And then you would show everyone how you renovated your bathroom.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: And then go golfing.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: And then you have flapper parties at your country club
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: in Florida with the worst dressed, worst work-faced people. What?
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean. They're basically wearing masks. It's
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: basically eyes wide shut.
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: One member of Congress with lots of thoughts on how
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: her fellow Republicans have handled the shutdown and the election.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: We already know?
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: It's not Jasmine Crockett yet.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: Marjorie Taylor Greene. Here she is.
• 55:55
  Speaker 14: I believe the election yesterday was a referendum on not
• 55:59
  Speaker 14: delivering what November 2024 was about.
• 56:02
  Speaker 13: If you were to be able to talk to Mike
• 56:04
  Speaker 13: Johnson right now, you would tell him what?
• 56:06
  Speaker 14: Tell him the same thing I told him last week
• 56:07
  Speaker 14: and I yelled at him on the phone on our
• 56:09
  Speaker 14: GOP conference call.
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: What'd you say?
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Is that is.
• 56:11
  Speaker 14: Where is our health care plan? It's non-existent.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Don't really know what to do, do you?
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: I like the jacket, too.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Do we clap? What do we do?
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: Greene also today went out of her way to say
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: nice things about, of all people, Nancy Pelosi. When news
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: of Pelosi's retirement broke, Marjorie Taylor Greene told CNN that Pelosi, quote,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: had an incredible career for her party and that she's
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: very impressed at her ability to get things done.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: Not wrong.
• 56:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: What?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Yes. Nancy Pelosi.
• 56:55
  Speaker 4: You might be wondering about Marjorie Taylor green, like what
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: the fuck is going on? Um, well notice reported on
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Wednesday that Marjorie Taylor green has been telling close friends
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: that in 2028, she might run for president.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: Love it.
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: You clap it up for content. Love it, you've been
• 57:18
  Speaker 4: working on the exploratory committee.
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The Marjorie Diller-Green situation is so interesting. Because she's
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: saying things that we agree with, but we don't want
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: to give her credit. And I think that that's pretty justified.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Because when someone evolves dramatically, you would expect them to
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: acknowledge it in some way and say, here's why, and
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: here's the reason I'm changing.
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: But she just showed up different.
• 57:47
  Speaker 7: And....
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: And so I.
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Don't know if we're living in a Dave situation that
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: there was a woman who looked like Marjorie Taylor Greene
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: who had an employment operation and suddenly there's a knock
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: on the door and she's needed for a daring escapade
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: at the same time I think when someone who used
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: to be much worse suddenly becomes much better we shouldn't
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: be upset about it But I also don't want to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: go too far. And in some ways it's like an
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: old David Axelrod thing, which is if you see a
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: bear on a unicycle, you don't criticize the technique.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: You just think, wow. Look at him go.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And so that's where I'm at now. I'm just like, wow,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: look at her go. And that's why I reserve judgment.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I'm curious what Jasmine Crockett thinks about it.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: End of thought.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: So if the bear rides that unicycle all the way
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: to 2028, she will have to face the current frontrunner
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: for the 2028 nomination, who Donald Trump had some wonderful
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: things to say about this week when he was comparing
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: his own vice president to his quieter Chinese counterpart.
• 59:14
  Speaker 7: The equivalent of a vice president. I said, are you
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: going to answer my question? And he's like, he doesn't move.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: I said, what's wrong with this guy?
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: I will answer all questions.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: Why don't you behave like that?
• 59:27
  Speaker 7: J.D.
• 59:27
  Speaker 3: Doesn't behave like that.
• 59:29
  Speaker 7: J.D.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: Buds into conversations. I want to have that for at
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: least a couple of days, okay, J.D.
• 59:35
  Speaker 4: This fucking guy won't shut up.
• 59:38
  Speaker 11: I would say Mike Pence only spoke when spoken to,
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: and Trump tried to murder him, so.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Reminds me of.
• 59:49
  Speaker 6: The Chappelle show skit.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: He's like, you sit when you pee, J.D. It's a
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: prison joke.
• 59:53
  Speaker 6: Never mind.
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I got it.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Dan, how do you think Trump is going to start
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: reacting to all of this 2028 chatter among Republicans that
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 4: basically highlights his lame duck status?
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 11: I think Donald Trump, as any man filled with self-confidence
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 11: and dignity, will just step back and allow the process
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: to play itself out.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Right off into the sunset.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 11: I mean, it's going to be really interesting because.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: there's a very good chance that Donald Trump becomes more
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: unpopular over time, right? He really is a lame duck.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 11: Like we keep thinking that this is, because Donald Trump
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 11: was just elected, this is like the equivalent of Donald
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 11: Trump in 2017 or Bill Clinton in 1995 or Barack
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 11: Obama after his in 2009. No, this is the end
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 11: of Trump's term, right? He is in lame duck status.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: Even he said he'd never be on the ballot again.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 11: And lame duck presidents tend to fade into the background.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 11: But what's interesting is as Donald Trump becomes unpopular, the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 11: Republican primary will remain about loyalty and fealty to Donald
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 11: Trump because even as bad as they got their ass
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 11: kicked on Tuesday in Virginia, the people who voted for
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 11: the Republican candidate gave Trump a 94% approval rating.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: 92% in New Jersey.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 11: And so he is remain, remain incredibly popular with the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 11: people who decide the election. So they're like, JD Vance
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 11: is going to have to, massively kiss up to Trump
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 11: to get his support to get the nomination and then
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 11: be unable to run away from him, which is exactly
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 11: what happened to Jack Cittarelli in New Jersey, right?
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: So it could be very interesting. It is to our favor, probably.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: Tommy, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Vance aside, the intramaga battle
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: for the future of the party has been raging this week.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 4: But unlike Democrats, instead of populism versus abundance... It's populism
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: versus an abundance of Nazis.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: You want to explain what's been going on over at
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation?
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 6: I would love to. Literally nothing I'd like more.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 13: So the inciting incident, as they say, was Tucker Carlson
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 13: having on his show a guy named Nick Fuentes.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: You know his work.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 13: For those who don't know Fuentes, Nick Fuentes said, Hitler
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 13: was cool. He's a Holocaust denier. He wants to repeal
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 13: the 19th Amendment. And he said Jim Crow was better
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 13: for black people. And what's the big deal if they
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 13: had to use separate water fountains and go to separate schools?
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 13: He is a vile, racist, misogynist, incel, like genuinely awful person.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 6: And Tucker had him on this show and just didn't
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 6: push him on any of these views for like, I think,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: literally two hours.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: This interview goes.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 13: Out, people are horrified, and then out of nowhere, the
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 13: president of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts, releases this video
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 13: on Twitter where he defends his relationship with Tucker and
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 13: Heritage's relationship with Tucker. And even worse, he refers to
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 13: the people critical of Tucker having Fuentes on his show
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 13: as globalists, which is code for.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Hi.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 13: And he said that they were part of a venomous coalition,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 13: which is, again... Creepy, spidey senses. And this led to
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 13: this massive rupture within the Heritage Foundation itself and all
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 13: these town hall meetings from the organization are leaking out.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 13: And also within the Republican Party, because there are people
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 13: that just think Nick Fuentes is vile and beyond the
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 13: pale and should not be part of this group. And
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 13: so this issue exploded this week, but the underlying fight
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 13: has been boiling under the surface of the MAGA coalition
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 13: for a very long time.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: Nick Fuentes was.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 13: Like Charlie Kirk's chief antagonist. And when Charlie Kirk was killed,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 13: Fuentes has tried to step into the fore and take
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 13: over that leadership mantle. And a lot of times this
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 13: gets discussed euphemistically, like it's a foreign policy issue or
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 13: like it's about US support for Israel or what does
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 13: America first really mean? But really it's like blood and
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 13: soil nationalism versus kind of like civic nationalism or like
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 13: a fidelity to the constitution or ideas.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: And so.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 13: So Trump, I think, has kept a lid on this
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 13: thing for a while. But the further he is out
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 13: of the scene and the more he is viewed as
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 13: a lame duck, I think the more it's going to
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 13: come to the fore. And the other piece of this
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 13: that is really important is that Nick Fuentes hates J.D. Vance,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 13: hates him, calls him vile things that I will not
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 13: repeat because it's just pretty ugly.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 6: And so this kind of, when you look closely.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 13: Like this is a fight about the Heritage Foundation and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 13: Tucker Carlson and who can go on a podcast. But really,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 13: I think it's like a proxy battle for who is
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 13: going to determine the future of the Republican Party and
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 13: just how scary it could be if they go further
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 13: to the Fuentes right.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 4: I will just say, too, that Nick Fuentes hates J.D. Vance,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 4: which makes it all the more notable that J.D. Vance
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: has said nothing about this. And in fact, after Tuesday,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 4: had this long tweet where he was like, enough of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: this infighting between Republicans. We're all on the same page
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So he actually sort
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: of implicitly acknowledged that he knows about the fight because
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: he is extremely online, like us, but yet has refused
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: to condemn it, which tells you a lot about J.D.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Vance's thoughts about 2028.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: And Dick Fuentes attacks J.D. Vance's wife and kids.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 9: Yep.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: Specifically.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 8: Wait, why?
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: Because of their race.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 10: What is it about them that's different? I don't know
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 10: about you guys, but, like, we talk a lot about
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 10: the manosphere. Why in the manosphere on the right does
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 10: Hitler keep coming up?
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 12: Like, why.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 3: What.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 10: Is anybody wondering why the third Reich is like catnip
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 10: to so many Republicans and conservatives? I mean, this is,
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 10: I feel like this is actually like a development that
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 10: needs to be like.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 12: Over and over again.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 10: It's like, Oh, on their text messages or maybe explicitly
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 10: on their podcast or whatever, like they're texting about Hitler.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 12: They're talking about Nazis. They're talking about their sympathies with
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 12: Nazis and Hitler.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 10: I mean, I think we talk about, there's been, I
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 10: think an overlay of acceptability when it talks about the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 10: alienation of young men, but like, The fact that one
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 10: of our parties is, you know, giving quarter to the
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 10: most violent, virulent strain of 20th century politics, the fucking
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 10: Hitler and the Nazis, and that somehow is dovetailing with
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 10: the agenda in and around masculinity should be alarming to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 10: everybody in this country. And like, I think needs to
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 10: be addressed head on. Like, what is it about your
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 10: version of yourself that, that finds such kinship with Adolf Hitler.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 10: This is a fucking problem for this country that in
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 10: the last three weeks there have been multiple headlines about
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 10: Republicans talking about and supporting the actions of Hitler and
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 10: the Third Reich.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 12: This is a problem in America.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: That was the part that was, I think, chilling in
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: what happened after the heritage because Nick Fuentes is horrible.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: But then there's reporting about what happens inside of Heritage
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: and some of the younger staffers being upset by Kevin
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: Roberts walking back what he said, which was some version
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: of we don't want to punch. I'm paraphrasing, but we
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: don't want to cancel people. We don't want to punch
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: to the right. And there was sympathy for that. And
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: that makes me really, really nervous that there is a
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: kind of cohort of younger activist right wing people that
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: are getting drawn in this way.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: It's a very old story.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: And there is something, at the end of saying the
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: establishment is terrible, everything you've been taught is terrible, the
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: medical establishment is lying to you, the elites are lying
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: to you, that is a path that you can follow.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: And at the end of it is the Jews. It's
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: a well-worn path that people take. And it is very,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: it should be alarming to us. People are like, oh,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: the kids today on the left with their pronouns are
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: And it's like, look what the fuck is happening over there.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: And I do think it starts ironically. It starts as like,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to take down these sacred ideas of like, oh,
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: you can't say something good about Hitler. And it starts
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: out as being kind of fun and a little bit edgy, right?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: It's rebellious. And it's hard to be rebellious on the right.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: You're defending.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: ancient traditional patriarchal structures, so.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: You got to dig deep.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: And so you find, oh, like, wow, I'm going to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: really get the squares because I'm going to make a
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: joke about gas chambers. And ironic thoughts lead to suddenly
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: unalloyed versions of them. And we see that online all
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: around us all the time. And it is a very
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: dangerous thing. It is one of the most dangerous. Anti-Semitism
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: on the left, it exists. This is a threat to
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: Jews in America.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 7: It is.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: And, and.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: From the quotes that Tommy was reading too, because I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: do think that it's like, it's all about Hitler and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 4: everyone's like, Hitler, history. It's like, no, no, don't want
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 4: women to vote, like are unbelievably misogynist. Black people, Latinos,
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 4: like all of it. It is, gays, it is everyone, right? Like,
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 4: and they are very open about it and they're very
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: transparent about it and they do not care who knows.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: It is just, it's very, it's like, something that stuck
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: with me that you said, Tommy, is like, Oh, and
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: they're all having town halls at Heritage. Like, what the
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 4: fuck is the town hall about? You know, it's like,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: let's have a town hall. Nazis, yay or nay?
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: What do we think? We're really struggling in the organization.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: What should we do? Should we condemn the Nazis or no?
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 10: Well, there's the real debate, which is the scary part, right?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 13: One of the leaked recordings that came out was Kevin
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 13: Roberts' speechwriter was like, well, I saw that.
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 6: You know, there was an opening for.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 13: For everyone to come to a Shabbat dinner if they wanted,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 13: but it's against my religion to go to one.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: Will they be mandated?
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 13: It's like, dude, you're like triggered by getting invited to
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 13: a fucking dinner.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: Relax, buddy.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 6: Relax, little heritage goon.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I eagerly await J.D. Vance's statement on the whole thing.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah, me too.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: Under Doug Emhoff, the Shabbats would have been mandatory.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: When we come back, Dan interviews Representative Jasmine Crockett.
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  Speaker 11: She's been in Congress for only a short period of time,
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  Speaker 11: but she's become one of the most prominent voices in
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 11: the Democratic Party. Please welcome to the stage Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 12: I like the lights being up. I can see everybody.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 11: They're pretty excited to see you.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 12: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Texas.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, we gonna do that?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 15: We gonna get it out real quick?
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 12: Bleach, blonde, bad, bill, butch, bye.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad we did that.
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  Speaker 8: Okay.
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  Speaker 11: So we've been talking about the great news from Tuesday, right?
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  Speaker 11: As you look at the results, what do you take
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 11: from it? Do you think this is a referendum on Trump, affordability,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 11: something else?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 12: I think it's all of the above.
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  Speaker 15: First of all, I think that it's great that it's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 15: clear that Americans understand that Trump could not do this
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 15: by himself. There are all these feeble Republicans that are
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 15: allowing him to break everything in America.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 12: And so we can't give a pass. You can't give a.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 15: Pass to the House Republicans, the Senate Republicans, or even
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 15: those on the local and state levels who refuse to
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 15: protect the people that elected them, whether it means that
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 15: you're going against this administration when it fails.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 12: To send money.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 15: That it was supposed to send to your state, you
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 15: are always supposed to remember who it is that you represent.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 15: But when it came down to money that this administration
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 15: and Elon Musk decided to play with, it was the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 15: Dem AGs that were going after this administration.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 12: No Republican AGs were stepping up. When you look at the.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 15: Governors and the mayors that are protecting their people from
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 15: the disastrous raids that we see ICE making, again, it
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 15: is those local electors. And so I am so proud
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 15: of the American people understanding that it's not just Trump.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 15: It's everybody else who has decided that they are going
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 15: to participate in the coup.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 11: So we are here in Washington, D.C., in the midst
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 11: of the longest government shutdown in history.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: As we, none of your Republican colleagues have been here
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 11: for like six weeks now, I think.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 12: Yeah, I lost count.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 11: There is reporting that a group of Senate Democrats are
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 11: open to a deal with Republicans to open the government
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 11: in exchange for a vote on the Obamacare subsidies. What
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 11: do you, what's your reaction to that deal? And what
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 11: would it take to get your vote.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: To reopen the government?
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 15: So first of all, I'd have to see it. I
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 15: almost need Trump to sign in blood. I mean, I
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 15: say that very jokingly, but part of me, like, yeah.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 12: Because here's the deal.
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  Speaker 15: What we have seen out of this administration, as soon
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 15: as he came in, all the things that we voted
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 15: for in a bipartisan way that was signed into law
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 15: by Joe Biden, he single-handedly decided, you know what?
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 12: I don't like these parts. So therefore, I'm just going
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 12: to ignore it.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 15: Whether we're talking about USAID, which nobody is talking about anymore,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 15: but I still remember.
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  Speaker 7: He....
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  Speaker 15: For instance, there is supposedly clarifying language on that every
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 15: federal worker who's been furloughed is going to be paid.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 15: But like, what if he decides he doesn't want to
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 15: because he's already been flirting with that? So when I
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 15: say that he's going to have to like also sign
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 15: in his blood, what I mean by that is that
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 15: there has to be an enforcement mechanism there. One that
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 15: says if for some reason, you know, the president signs
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 15: this into law but then fails to abide by it,
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 15: then it collapses or then there's an automatic trigger for
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 15: more money going into things or something like that. We
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 15: had to endure a situation like that before under Biden.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 15: where we were on a timeline to get our appropriations done.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 15: And if we didn't get them done, then like more
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 15: and more money ticked up to like what the Democrats wanted.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 15: So they've got to put a trigger in there of
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 15: some sort to make sure that the American people and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 15: what the Democrats, I'm putting that together because Democrats are
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 15: fighting harder for Republican constituents than the Republicans.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: That is the thing, right?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 11: These Obamacare subsidies that they so very much want to
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 11: extend mostly impact people.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: In red states. The states that didn't expand Medicaid.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean, my state, obviously, is one that's in
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 15: a very awful situation for a gazillion reasons.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 12: We could go down the list. But, you know, it's Florida.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 15: Florida has the highest number of persons that are enrolled
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 15: in the Affordable Care Act. And so I want people
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 15: to understand that this is kind of like, in Texas
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 15: we have this thing called the Texas Two-Step that actually
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 15: has multiple reasons we have a two-step.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 12: We have different two-steps.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 15: But anyway, it's almost like a two-step because it was
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 15: the big ugly bill that meant that people's insurance premiums
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 15: were going to go up. And then basically the Republicans
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 15: have said, oh, while you're down, let's go ahead and
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 15: kick you because those subsidies that normally would help out
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 15: and make sure that if you are on the marketplace,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 15: you can then.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 12: Reduce your out of pocket.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 15: We're also going to let that expire at the same
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 15: time that we gave permanent tax cuts to people that keep.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 12: Making more and more money.
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 15: Yet we're in a country that has not raised the
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 15: minimum wage to a very minimum of $ 8. I mean,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 15: we had seven something, you know, so it's, It's insane
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 15: that it is clear that this administration is all about
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 15: making sure that they can widen that wealth gap.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 12: And it is so stark.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 15: I mean, you look at Amazon and how many people
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 15: they have laid off. You look at UPS laying off.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 15: We know that we've lost approximately a million jobs in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 15: the job market, and it ain't even been 12 months, y'all.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 12: Like, this is super bad.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 15: And it's, you know, a combination of what the federal
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 15: government has done to roll back monies that we give out.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 15: Because even if you're not an actual federal government worker,
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 15: we are, number one, the largest employer in this country.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 15: Number two, we give out money to so many other
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 15: people that sustain them. So, for instance, there's so many
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 15: people that are concerned about Head Start and what is
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 15: happening to Head Start in the midst of the shutdown, right?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 12: And listen, I ain't got no kids, but I know
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 12: some of y'all do.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 15: And from what I hear, it's expensive to raise these children.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 15: And so, you know, when you think about it, when
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 15: people are saying, hey, I'm going to have to leave
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 15: the workforce, Because taking care of my child is cost prohibitive.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 12: It's just better for me to stay at home.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 15: These are the decisions that people are having to make.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 15: And to have someone who literally, I don't know if
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 15: he just senile. Okay, I do know he is senile.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 15: But also, I don't know if he's saying things like, oh,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 15: costs have gone down and everything's affordable because he's just clueless.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 12: Or did he see now? I feel like it's both. Yeah,
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 12: I'm with y'all. I feel like it's both.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 11: Speaking of the president, he likes to talk about you
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 11: a lot, right? Even just recently, last week or so,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 11: he gave some bizarre answer about.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 3: Why he couldn't run for third terms. He brought your
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 3: name up.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: Sort of how does it feel to live rent-free in
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: his head?
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 8: Um....
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 15: I will say that you never could have told me,
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 15: number one, that I would be in Congress. This is
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 15: definitely not what I grew up as a little girl
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 15: wanting to be. And number two, you never could have
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 15: convinced me that there would be a president of these
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 15: United States that may not know anybody else's name besides AOC.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 12: He know AOC too.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 15: I mean, everything's falling apart. And somehow he finds time
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 15: to worry about a very junior.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 12: Member in the House. It is beyond me.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 15: But I think that it goes to show you that
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 15: Trump may even understand people better than my party apparatus.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 15: To the extent that, just work with me for a second.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 15: To the extent that he understands who it is that
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 15: actually communicates with people. And I don't think he cares
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 15: about the titles. He cares about who he believes is
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 15: an effective communicator.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 12: Who can take him down. And so I do have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 12: to give it to him.
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 15: Now, granted, he doesn't understand. You don't say your opposition's
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 15: name over and over. It just elevates them more. He
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 15: doesn't get that part yet. But I do think that
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 15: he sees the fact that there's these huge crowds that
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 15: show up for Alec's wherever she travels to across this country.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 12: He sees how big of a following she has.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 15: And I think that there was one point in time
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 15: when they really tried to minimize her and they tried
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 15: to pretend as if she really was not a big deal.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 15: And now they can't hide from it. They know that
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 15: she's kind of a big deal.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 11: And like to your point, right? Trump knows who you
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 11: are because you're very good at getting and holding attention.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 11: You're on every platform. You're omnipresent.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: You're on cable news. You're doing.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 11: Kendrick Lamar memes on TikTok.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: You're out there.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 11: And since the 2024 election, there's been this big conversation
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 11: among Democrats about how to get attention, right? Because we thought,
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 11: we accurately thought we lost the attention towards 2024.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: Like, how do you think about what you do?
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 11: And why don't more Democrats try to do what you
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 11: and AOC and others are doing?
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 15: Yeah, so Alex and I are different in how we,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 15: I mean, Alex came in being viral, right? She had
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 15: this viral campaign video. And so people really wanted to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 15: know more. And I think that she's spent a lot
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 15: of time building a rapport with those online. I mean,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 15: she came in off of the support of those that
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 15: were online. She still dominates as the grassroots fundraiser. The
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 15: highest fundraising member in the house is Alex.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 12: So, and these are small dollar donors, right?
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 15: And so I think that she's been very effective at
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 15: really holding kind of the trust and building that rapport
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 15: with those that are online.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 12: With me, it's been a little bit crazier for sure.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 15: Alex hasn't necessarily had all the crazy moments that I have,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 15: but I do think the fact that I didn't sign
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 15: up for this job, like in the sense that obviously
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 15: I ran, so I signed up, but in the sense
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 15: that I never felt entitled to this seat. We have
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 15: a lot of people on both sides of the aisle that,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 15: you know, their parents were in politics and it was
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 15: always ordained. They were going to be this great politician,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 15: you know, all the things, right? That's not my story.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 15: And so I am very comfortable in my skin. I'm
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 15: okay with being my authentic self that may not be everyone's.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 12: Cup of tea.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 15: Um, Because I think that it is important for the
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 15: people to feel like they have somebody that they can
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 15: trust and not look at and think, oh, I'm getting
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 15: your representative.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 12: I'm not getting the real you.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 15: When I say that I am fighting for people's lives,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 15: I want them to believe me when I say it,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 15: because it's true. And I think my experience in the
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 15: courtroom having practiced for, I think it was about 16,
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 15: 17 years before I had to stop practicing once I
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 15: got to Congress.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 12: But I typically represented people who.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 15: Usually felt voiceless as a court appointed attorney, as a
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 15: public defender.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 12: And yeah. And so I know the real struggles.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 15: I know the real causes of so much crime because
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 15: I've had these conversations. And I know how to see
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 15: people that typically feel unseen. And I think it's just
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 15: my experience, but I knew how to talk to them,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 15: whether we were sitting in the jail and I was
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 15: in some jeans and J's, or if I had to
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 15: go into court and make sure that I was suited
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 15: and booted and would represent very well and make sure
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 15: that the jury did not feel like I was separating
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 15: them because I could talk to you no matter what
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 15: part of the spectrum you came from when we were
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 15: picking the jury. But by the time I've got to
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 15: argue to the judge, I got to know what I'm
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 15: talking about. Now, the jury may not know what I'm saying.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 15: They may not understand. But they're seeing if the judge
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 15: is saying that I'm winning the arguments and things like that.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 12: And they're hearing me in that way.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 15: And so I think that I just have a better
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 15: idea of how to understand my audience and make sure
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 15: that I am effectively communicating with whomever it is that
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 15: I'm trying to reach.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 11: So you said earlier this month that you are thinking
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 11: about running for Senate in Texas.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 5: Can you talk a little.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many Texas we got here, but
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 3: they're excited.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 11: So can you talk a little bit about your decision-making,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 11: your thinking there, and when you might make a decision?
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 12: So I won't make a decision. Well, okay, I'll tell
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 12: you this.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 15: If I make a decision, it will be before December 8th,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 15: but it will not become public until December 8th.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 12: That is for sure.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: December 8th.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 15: That's the filing deadline. Yeah, it'll be the last minute. Yes, yes,
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 15: that part.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 12: So here's the deal.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 15: I only said this once as I was campaigning in
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 15: California for Prop 50.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 12: I let the cat out the bag. Yes, yes. Go California.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 15: I let the cat out the bag that I have
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 15: no intentions of being in Congress for 30, 40 years.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: And so, yes, yes.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 12: Well, no, no, no, not that part. But yes, on
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 12: the not being there forever.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 15: So for me, I honestly had planned to go after
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 15: Ted Cruz. I was strategically planning to go after Ted Cruz.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 15: And so I was like, I will do all things
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 15: and I will prepare. And most people don't know that
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 15: when I first got into elected office for the state house,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 15: I had been told that a state senator... was going
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 15: to retire. And so I was actually preparing for that race.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 15: And then my state representative ended up becoming the mayor
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 15: and there was a special election. And I wasn't ready.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 15: And I was like, but here we are, we're going.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 12: So I went.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 15: When I went to the state house, I only did
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 15: one term. I thought I would do a total of
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 15: four terms. That's when I would fully vest on the
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 15: state house level. And my predecessor called me. and said,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 15: I'm going to retire and you should be the one
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 15: to replace me.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 12: Again, not ready.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 15: And I jumped into that race only, it was, I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 15: announced the Wednesday that was the day before Thanksgiving. So
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 15: it was the very end, again, filing was the beginning
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 15: of December. And so even though I was the last
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 15: one in, we came out on top and I was
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 15: able to make it through the primary and get to Congress.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 15: In this scenario, I will tell you, That I am
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 15: so scared that I don't know where our country will
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 15: be in four years. That I don't know that I
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 15: can wait the four years. I truly believe in the
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 15: fierce urgency of now. When I say I am scared,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 15: I am scared. And I also know that there are
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 15: those that believe running for Senate in Texas or running
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 15: statewide in Texas is just like a dummy mission.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: I get it.
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 15: I mean, it's like every once in a while we
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 15: get everybody jazzed up and the country is like, it's
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 15: going to happen.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 12: And then they tune in to Texas.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 15: And they like Texas does what Texas does, right?
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 12: And so here's my analysis.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 15: What I believe is number one, we've seen that the
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 15: people are frustrated and And so that's number one. And
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 15: we know that the last time Cruz ran, that was
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 15: in a Trump backlash year. That was when Beto came
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 15: within a little less than three points. So yeah, so
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 15: I say the generic Democrat on this ballot should probably
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 15: be within three, somewhere between three and five points. I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 15: truly believe that, just because it's such a bad time
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 15: for people, right? But the question is, he does, he does.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 15: And so does Ken Paxton. So here's the deal. The Republicans,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 15: the NRSC has decided that they don't want Ken Paxton
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 15: because he's a uniquely vulnerable.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 12: Terrible candidate.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 15: And so they have been investing in the primary to
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 15: try to beat him because he's so bad. And now
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 15: when I looked at the fundraising, it looks like they've
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 15: dried up some of his donors as well. they're doing
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 15: everything that they can to hopefully try to make it
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 15: to where he's not the nominee. Now, if Texas isn't
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 15: in play, why is it that they would be playing
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 15: so hard, right?
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 12: So that's number one. But the question overall is this.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 15: Is there a candidate that can get people that have never,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 15: ever wanted to vote or never paid attention to politics
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 15: to show up?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 12: I do believe I can.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 7: Um.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 15: But me believing versus me getting the data to support
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 15: it is a whole other story. So there was polling
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 15: that came out today that suggested that I am the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 15: strongest to win the general as well.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 12: But I got to do my own internal.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 15: So we are finalizing what that looks like because I
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 15: don't know if you've ever participated in a poll. But
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 15: normally what they do is they say, Do you plan
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 15: to vote in the next, I know, because everybody's like,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 15: who y'all poll?
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 12: Because you didn't poll me. Right, I know, I get it.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 15: But they always ask, do you plan to vote in
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 15: the next election? And then if somebody says no, they
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 15: terminate the poll. And what we need to do is
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 15: we need to dig a little deeper and ask people, well,
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 15: if this person was on the ballot or this person
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 15: was on the ballot or this person was on the ballot,
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 15: would that make a difference?
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 12: And I think... I think the reason.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 15: That we ended up with a surprise candidacy in a
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 15: Barack Obama was a couple of things. He did something
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 15: that no other candidate had done. He inspired people and
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 15: he made them believe. And so it was hard to
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 15: poll for him because there were so many new people
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 15: getting engaged. There's another candidate that has done that to
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 15: us more than once. It's the current president.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 12: The president is so difficult to poll for because.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 15: He pulls people that would never engage in politics, and
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 15: he pulls them in. And so, you know, it's going
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 15: to be a really tight deadline on finishing up on
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 15: getting our data in. But once we get it, that's
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 15: probably going to be my final kind of conversation. I've
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 15: talked to some really high people, I'll say it that way,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 15: that are also trying to think and strategize with and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 15: for me about whether or not this makes sense.
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: All right, so we'll check in with you on December 8th.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 12: Yes, December 8th.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 11: The Congresswoman has graciously agreed to stay and play a
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 11: game with us. But before everyone else comes out, give.
• 1:32:36
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  Speaker 1: Here I stand between two teams across a familiar divide.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: On one side, Jon Favreau, Tommy Vitor, and Dan Pfeiffer,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: three alpha males. Testosterone, protein, and lead from that protein
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: ripping through their veins. And as we can see just
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: by looking at them, despite their brave faces, these are
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 1: lonely men. These are the faces of the male loneliness epidemic. Laughing,
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: but on the verge of tears. On the other side,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: We have Alex Wagner and Jasmine Crockett. Here we have
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: two women being asked to interact with men who are
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: no match for their talents and abilities. What is a
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: woman the right asks? A person who has to do that. Yeah.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: And so it's time for a game we call gender.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: I hardly know her.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: George Soros has tasked all of us with destroying the
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: gender binary. But we're going to put it... We're going
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: to put a pin in that tonight because it's time
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: for little boys versus girls.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Will there be a lightning round that challenges the very
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: foundations of this game and human society itself?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 5: Perhaps.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: Are you both ready?
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: And already a little mad at me?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 14: Okay.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: Question one for John, Tommy, and Dan. According to an
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: NBC poll, 20% of adult men under 30 years old
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: say they own or trade crypto. What is the share
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: of women under 30 who say they do the same
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: within 10 points?
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 2: What's the percentage for men?
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: It was 20% of men. You have to guess the
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: percentage for women under 30. If you're within 10 points,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: I'll give it to you. Five!
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 6: That guy has a strong feeling at five.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: I was going to say five, actually.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 9: Five?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: Why aren't we saying 10?
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Because then we win either way?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because I'm assuming it's not just one of us.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: You're good.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: Ten. Six percent.
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: Shouldn't have spotted us the 10. I'm trying to be generous.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: This mistake won't happen again.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: All right. Over to the ladies.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: According to research released in September, what percentage of American men,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: 18 to 49, have an active sports betting account?
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: Too many.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: You also have to guess the percentage within 10 points.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: I think it's high.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 10: Like 60?
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 3: I'm going.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 12: 60 to 70. Yeah, I'm going to say... Let's do 60.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: 60%.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: It's 48%. You're so close. Sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 6: That's pretty high.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 12: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: Next question. Okay, okay, okay, whatever.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: For the Congresswoman and Alex. Which tall drink of water,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: formerly of Euphoria and Saltburn, is currently starring in Guillermo
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: del Toro's Frankenstein? Jacob.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 10: Oh my God, Jacob DeLore, DeLore, Jacob DeLore.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: It is Jacob DeLore.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: You both got it. Oh wow, oh look at that.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: Why do you cast a hot guy to look like that?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know, why do they have Chris Pratt do
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Mario's voice? Doesn't make any fucking sense. Those used to
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: go to voice actors, now it goes to the, that's
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 1: not what this game is about.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: All right, now over to the boys. Who wrote the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: novel Frankenstein?
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 8: I know, I know.
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: Mary Shelley?
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: Fuck, yeah, they got it.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: I'm going to try to stump them.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: All right, question for, we'll start with Alex and Jasmine Crockett, Congresswoman.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Can I call you Jasmine for any of the game?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: You can call me.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry. I was being disrespectful.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: I just said I wrote the name just for myself.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: According to men surveyed by YouGov, this is the most
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: beloved actor in America today, and I will give you hints.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: This person starred in The Shawshank Redemption, Deep Impact, and Seven.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 10: Isn't that Morgan Freeman?
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 12: Morgan Freeman. Morgan Freeman.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 3: You got it.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: Questions for John, Tommy, and Dan.
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: According to women surveyed by YouGov, this is the most
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: beloved actor in America. This person starred in Unforgiven, Outbreak,
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: and Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 10: Come on, guys.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: Kevin Costner?
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: Wrong.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: It's Morgan Freeman. He's beloved by all genders.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: He was in Robin Hood Prince of Thieves.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 3: Of course he is. He helps him get out of there.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: Morgan Freeman.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 10: Morgan Freeman for president.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: According to NBC News polling, both Gen Z men and
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: women who voted for Harris selected having a job or
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: career you find fulfilling as their number one personal indicator
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: of success. Gen Z women who voted for Trump put
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: achieving financial independence. What was the number one indicator of
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: success to Gen Z men who voted for Trump?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 5: Having a girlfriend?
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 4: Success?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 10: What was the Gen Z women?
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: So the Gen Z women who voted for Harris, and
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: for the men who voted for Harris, it was about
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: career and financial independence.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 6: For the women who voted for Trump.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: No, that's not right.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 6: It was financial independence.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: Financial independence.
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 3: But what was for the men, Gen Z.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 6: Who voted for Trump?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 12: Don't you feel like they all just want to get laid?
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 12: I do believe that. I don't know that that's the answer.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 9: Family?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 12: I'm going to go with that. I mean, a bunch of,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 12: you know who, okay, I'm not going to say that person. Yep,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 12: we're going with family.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: It was having children. Oh.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 6: Look at that.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: It's actually interesting.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 6: Got a graphic.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: All right, John, Tommy, Dan.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: According to a Pew study released in January, 16% of
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: men say they feel lonely most or all of the time.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: What percentage of women said they feel lonely.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 6: Most or all of the time?
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 2: Let's go like eight. I just made that up.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 7: Eight.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: It's 15%.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: So the male loneliness and the female loneliness is basically
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: the same.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: So we're all lonely. That's the lesson of the game.
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: That is the lesson.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: Transgender insanity.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: And you know what that sound means? It's time for
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: the genderless bathroom lightning round.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 12: Oh, gosh.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: In this, anyone can call out the answer. Okay, okay, okay.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: Anyone can call out the answer if they know it.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: We have a portrait of a child from 1884.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 5: Who is this child?
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 2: Hillary Clinton. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry, sorry.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: 1884.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 12: It is a photo of a child taken in 1884.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: Every person in this room knows their name.
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 12: Every person in this room knows their name by their initials.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 5: Eleanor Roosevelt.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 8: It's getting warmer.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 7: Oh.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: One at a time. President of the United States.
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 6: Wait.
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 11: What?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 12: Oh, it's FDR?
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: It's not Edith Wilson, but I see what you're trying for.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 12: This is a child.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: FDR?
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 8: One, two, three.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 10: FDR.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 3: You got it. Alex said it.
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: I said it twice.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: That is FDR. That's FDR?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: That's... Because it used to be that the kids were
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: dressed genderless, like in dresses, white dresses.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 4: What?
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 3: Until they were like seven. Yeah.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: Read a book. That was a good poll.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: Come on.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: That's FDR. What a fruitcake.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Next up, I'm going to say each of the members
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: of a band, okay, the first team to name the
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: band wins. Again, we are in the genderless bathroom lightning round.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: Lucy Dacus. Julian Baker, shut up. Phoebe Bridgers.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: Audience, one, two, three.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: Boy Genius.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: You never heard of Boy Genius?
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, Boy Genius.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 5: Boy Genius?
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 6: I couldn't hear what they said.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: Boy Genius. Boy, genius.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 8: All right.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 3: Next up. They get a little easier.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Name the Netflix show starring Malin Ackerman and known for
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 1: its terrible wigs and depiction of- Hunting Wives.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: Hunting Wives.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: Shit.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: Nice.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 12: I love that show.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: No one's going to get this. I'm sorry, but it's
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: just been on my mind.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: Can you name the sitcom that had the first significant
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: transgender character?
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 8: Alf.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: It was, it was, no. It aired in 1977. Why
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 3: is it not?
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: And the hint would be they were moving on up.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: Taxi?
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: Jeffersons?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: John got it.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: It was the Jeffersons.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 12: I was going to say.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 7: Good.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: Right on, Jeffersons.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: The Jeffersons have.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 12: George and Wheezy.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 3: It's an amazing storyline that's shocking.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: You're like, they did this in 1977.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: We should have made more progress. All right.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: This is the final question.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: And why does it fit the category?
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 1: At least 17 Real Housewives have been, at some point
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: in their lives, arrested. But can you name the Real
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: Housewives stars who have not just been arrested, but sentenced
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: to prison time?
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: Teresa Giudice. Teresa Giudice.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, one.
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  Speaker 12: Just went to prison.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: This is you, Jasmine.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 12: It's not. It's not. I don't have time for it.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: No. No.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 10: Jenna Lyons go to prison?
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: Jen Shah.
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: You got it.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: Did anyone say Karen?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: There's one more. It's Karen Huger.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 8: Who?
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: Karen Huger.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 12: He doesn't get it. He doesn't get the point.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: He doesn't get the point. He doesn't get the point.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: He doesn't get the point.
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: Hold on. We're tallying the results.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 7: No.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: Luann was arrested and she went to jail, but she
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: didn't serve prison time.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 12: Arrested and convicted and did prison time.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: Luann just didn't, right?
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 8: Whatever.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: The women have won the game.
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: And that has been gender. I hardly know her.
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: That's our show for tonight. Thank you to Jasmine Crockett.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you to Alex Wagner. Thank you to Barack Obama.
• 1:44:51
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• 1:44:53
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• 1:44:59
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