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Drivers ED and your calls · Chuck Douglas

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  Speaker 1: It is incumbent upon the legislature to push this issue
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  Speaker 1: to the governor, to push this issue to make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: We need drivers education back in public education for the
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  Speaker 1: good of society, the safety of society, for the good
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  Speaker 1: of the Ohio economy. Those accidents cost money, insurance rates
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  Speaker 1: going up, repair bills that people can't afford for uninsured motorists.
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  Speaker 1: We need to do this. It just makes sense. It's practical.
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  Speaker 1: A two to one WTVN time you're on the Legacy
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm fine with the now kid learning the drive
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  Speaker 2: in school from Also in favor of making manage or
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  Speaker 2: that all drivers can just spend a week the two
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  Speaker 2: weeks riding with a trucker. They can understand see what
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  Speaker 2: we go through on daily basis because you drive them
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  Speaker 2: in the car.
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  Speaker 3: You don't see it.
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  Speaker 2: When you're up in truck. You're pulling sixty seventy one
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  Speaker 2: thousand pounds and you see the.
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  Speaker 4: Shit that that these idiots do.
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  Speaker 2: If the one that will not wolf drivers aren't killed.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I know you're probably a great trucker, Tom, but
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  Speaker 1: you know what, I got to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: I see a lot of dumbass truckers out there now too,
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  Speaker 1: especially since we've had people that again come from places
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  Speaker 1: with no paved roads, that are getting their licenses for
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  Speaker 1: mo dot and hitting the road, and they they scare
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  Speaker 1: the crap out of me. Sometimes if I go, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: if I get somebody pulling a double trailer, I will
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  Speaker 1: either pass them, stay behind them, or get two lanes
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  Speaker 1: away from them. They just scare me anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I agree on that one. And I don't like double
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  Speaker 2: trailer either myself, but I'm not want to make the
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  Speaker 2: law of them right. But you're right far as these
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  Speaker 2: formed drivers. I see him time and again, command there
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  Speaker 2: with our lias the cambrig spelled English. No point on
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  Speaker 2: a map, but I'm.
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  Speaker 5: You're in there.
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  Speaker 2: You have a low point on the map, so.
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  Speaker 3: You're that where they're where they want to go.
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  Speaker 2: Don't get their map both. I don't know, YE know,
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  Speaker 2: it's it's.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid, Yep. The roads are a dangerous place anymore time.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate you, buddy. And as far as truck drivers go,
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  Speaker 1: So if I say Whale and Willie and Hank, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't know who I'm talking about, you shouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: a to a truck driver. I'm sorry. There are just
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  Speaker 1: some people who are who are predisposed. If you don't know,
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  Speaker 1: If you don't know, Whale Willie and Hank Hell Tody
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  Speaker 1: bear a two at eight six at y w t V.
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  Speaker 1: At John, You're on sixth a w t V.
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  Speaker 5: At Yeah, Chuck is calling about Uh, what good do
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  Speaker 5: uh be? Dummy? Or what did he gain from striking
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  Speaker 5: that out of the bill.
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if it was in the
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  Speaker 1: budget bill or not. It was something that the legislature
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  Speaker 1: was talking about several months ago. I assumed it would
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  Speaker 1: be part of this big budget bill. It is not
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that's in there is that you. They
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  Speaker 1: will be requiring drivers training, but it's not requiring school
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  Speaker 1: driver training, which is what we were talking about a
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  Speaker 1: few months ago.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I got news for you. I went through when
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  Speaker 5: I was in high school. It was one of the
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  Speaker 5: best things that I ever went through. It taught me
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  Speaker 5: a heck of a lot and I'm with you. Bring
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  Speaker 5: it back. We need it. We have too many idiots
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  Speaker 5: out there driving. I mean, I'm my age, but the elderly,
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  Speaker 5: we really need to test them. Because I'm not staying
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  Speaker 5: there the issue. But you know, we need to make
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  Speaker 5: sure the roads are safe out there for our kids,
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  Speaker 5: us and everybody else.
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  Speaker 1: And well, I mean, if we need to bring it back,
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  Speaker 1: if we're being honest, John, old folks are an issue.
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  Speaker 1: And you know I say that with all the love
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  Speaker 1: in my heart. I'm going to be an old folk
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  Speaker 1: if God lets me be old one day. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I don't know if it's inability
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  Speaker 1: age or or you know, maybe they're just scared too,
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  Speaker 1: because they see the same stuff I'm seeing. Maybe they're
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  Speaker 1: just scared. That's why they've got to go thirty miles
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  Speaker 1: an hour below the speed limit. But the rest of
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  Speaker 1: us who are find when I come to a four
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  Speaker 1: way stop, there's a way of four way stop functions.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't be nice and wave me and go no
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  Speaker 1: you go ahead, No, don't do that. The four way
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  Speaker 1: stop has a structure. Just follow the structure so we're
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  Speaker 1: all on the same page.
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  Speaker 5: And the structure is the person that got there first
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  Speaker 5: or the person to the right as the right of way.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't need you to be friendly at the
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  Speaker 1: four way stop. I just need you to follow the
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  Speaker 1: law because that's what I'm doing, and that's what I'm
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  Speaker 1: expecting the other two directions to do. And if that
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  Speaker 1: doesn't happen, somebody is going to.
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  Speaker 5: Rect That's absolutely correct. But yet we need to bring
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  Speaker 5: it back. One of the best things I ever went
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  Speaker 5: through in high school.
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  Speaker 6: Also, bring back home ap yes, bring back wood shop, yep,
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  Speaker 6: bring it all back. I mean, that's it were You
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  Speaker 6: look at our age group, we're.
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  Speaker 5: We're not idiots. We know what we're doing. We know
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  Speaker 5: how to survive through life. Kids nowadays, they don't have
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  Speaker 5: a clue.
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  Speaker 1: These children. They talk about the fact that well they
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  Speaker 1: don't they don't value themselves and so forth. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you said, the seventh grade kid in the wood shop
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  Speaker 1: and he comes out of there with his first cutting
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  Speaker 1: board or paper towel holder or or whatever. There's a
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  Speaker 1: sense of accomplishment there and he takes it home to
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  Speaker 1: mom or whoever is his his caregiver as they call
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  Speaker 1: him these days, and it's something to be proud of,
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  Speaker 1: and it builds that self esteem and they want to
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  Speaker 1: go back and they want to do more, They want
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  Speaker 1: to build more. That is that's how you build a
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  Speaker 1: person that is so much bigger than just a cutting board.
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  Speaker 1: That's life.
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  Speaker 5: Absolutely. And my mother because the day she died, she
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  Speaker 5: had the very first thing I made in shop, and
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  Speaker 5: I hate to say it, it was an ashtray. She
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  Speaker 5: had it, she upped it I made.
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  Speaker 1: I made a ceramic as tray for my dad. In
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  Speaker 1: art class we did. We had a kill in there
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  Speaker 1: and everything I got to run here. I appreciate you
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  Speaker 1: made a candle holder in metal shop for mom and
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  Speaker 1: it still exists today, and we used actual leaves. Mister Almaca.
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  Speaker 1: My middle shop teacher was mister Almacha. Yes, he did
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  Speaker 1: sound a lot like Arnold. He was some Austria. And
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  Speaker 1: mister Nicely. Mister Nicely was my wood shop teacher. I
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  Speaker 1: think he was missing a finger, as all woodshop teachers are,
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  Speaker 1: but he was a good and I put stuff together
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  Speaker 1: and I think I think all those things are still
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  Speaker 1: standing somewhere in a box today.
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  Speaker 7: That's cool to yeah, to be a what shopping that's
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  Speaker 7: a prerequis the you must have a missing tip of
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  Speaker 7: your finger.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. Eight to one nine at eighty six is my number, Charlie,
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  Speaker 1: you're on six ten doubled utvn.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, sir Sam, I'm glad I got a chance to
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  Speaker 4: chat with They're on the right track with this. I've
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  Speaker 4: been teaching driver education for there'll be fifteen years in August,
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  Speaker 4: and I've had literally thousands of students that I've avoided
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  Speaker 4: literally hundreds and hundreds of car crashes with kids in
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  Speaker 4: the car and so. But they were talking early on
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  Speaker 4: that anybody. Now they're just saying if you're over the
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  Speaker 4: age of eighteen, Okay, at least the way I heard it,
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  Speaker 4: But anybody who wants to get a license, especially with
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  Speaker 4: all these people coming to this country, they need to
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  Speaker 4: be exposed to the proper way to operate a car
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  Speaker 4: and so forth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's not just over the age of eighteen, it's
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  Speaker 1: up to the age of twenty one. So the fifteen
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  Speaker 1: and a half year old period, you can still get
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  Speaker 1: a learner's permitted fifteen and a half. But if you
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  Speaker 1: were under twenty one and you have to go through
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  Speaker 1: formal education and commercial driving school or whatever and have
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  Speaker 1: this many hours of road time and so forth, and
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  Speaker 1: past your test. So I just instead of going to
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  Speaker 1: a driver's school, I just I think you benefit from
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  Speaker 1: being in that classroom setting for nine weeks of going
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  Speaker 1: through tests and the instructional movies and so forth. We
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  Speaker 1: need the kids to be as good as they can
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  Speaker 1: possibly be before they get out there on the road.
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  Speaker 4: Well, see, I taught in the classroom also, and it
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  Speaker 4: was under governor of the Wine. I think I was
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  Speaker 4: at the last hearing when they wanted to take all
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  Speaker 4: this stuff online. Okay, And so it's not the fact
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  Speaker 4: that they don't have it in the high schools, because
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  Speaker 4: a lot of driving schools around the area have the
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  Speaker 4: capability to teach classroom and the material and so forth.
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  Speaker 4: And that's fine. It does not have to fall back
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  Speaker 4: on the high school system itself. Okay. Now they're trying
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  Speaker 4: to solve one problem, if I could bring this point up,
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  Speaker 4: but they're creating another problem. Have you noticed how many
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  Speaker 4: of these little bicycles and stuff for.
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  Speaker 1: On scooters and all, yes, yes, and those are unregulated.
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  Speaker 1: Any idiot can put a debit card in there and
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  Speaker 1: get in the middle of traffic with no.
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  Speaker 4: Helmet, no nothing. A kid just in West gro yesterday
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  Speaker 4: is in critical condition and there's going to be a
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  Speaker 4: lot of those. Those should not be on the sidewalks
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  Speaker 4: or the roads or anything.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, and especially this we've got kids
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  Speaker 1: in our neighborhood. And you know again here I'm being
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  Speaker 1: an old man in mini banks them care John named
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  Speaker 1: little mini banks, whether it's electric razor bikes or the
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  Speaker 1: little mini banks, your gash like we had with Asa boy,
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  Speaker 1: you are two and a half feet below the hood
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  Speaker 1: of the car I'm passing. I do not see you,
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  Speaker 1: and now that they are electric, I don't even hear you.
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  Speaker 1: Don't let your children ride those things in the streets, Chuck.
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  Speaker 4: Can I ask you one final question? Did you several
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  Speaker 4: years ago at another station, did you host the music
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  Speaker 4: show that featured oldies music and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I've done some music stuff in the past. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I just a long time ago I did.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I worked at what it was called the
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  Speaker 1: Mix back then, Mixed ninety eight point nine, which is
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  Speaker 1: defunct now. But I did a show called Mixed Midnight Request.
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  Speaker 1: It was a request and dedication show at night I worked.
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  Speaker 1: My first job, played the oldest Music, which was AM
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  Speaker 1: down in Lancaster wl H, and it was I played
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  Speaker 1: everything from Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra to Madonna down there.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great station.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think it was on Sunday evening there was
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  Speaker 4: a show, but it seems I was almost positive was
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  Speaker 4: Chuck Douglas that did it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, if you enjoyed it, it was probably me.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Well, hey, it does not have to be in
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  Speaker 4: the high schools. There's some good driving schools around that
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  Speaker 4: have classrooms, have the capability. But thanks to your legislators
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  Speaker 4: that wanted to take the money, they put all this
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  Speaker 4: stuff online and it is a catastrophe.
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  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Charlie, and I appreciate you being out there, buddy,
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  Speaker 1: Thanks very much for the call and for braving your
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  Speaker 1: job as a driving instructor. Jim, you're on sixth en
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  Speaker 1: double UTVN.
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  Speaker 7: HI. I have sort of the answer of why we
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  Speaker 7: don't do driver education in schools anymore, and it's based
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  Speaker 7: upon Battel did a long term, longitude and study if
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  Speaker 7: I remember right, around twelve years long in driver education
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  Speaker 7: and high school and basically in effect prove scientifically that
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  Speaker 7: driver education in high school has no real impact on
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  Speaker 7: driving behaviors of kids.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to see that study, and I would
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  Speaker 1: love to take the twelve years per capita before that
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  Speaker 1: study and the twelve years per capita after that study,
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  Speaker 1: and I guarantee you it will be proven wrong.
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  Speaker 7: Well, I can tell you I was one of the
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  Speaker 7: principles on it. We the whole federal government idea was
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  Speaker 7: to prove that we did more drive education in high school,
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  Speaker 7: especially fancy ones, then it would turn out that basically
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  Speaker 7: have a big positive impact on driving behavior, and didn't
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  Speaker 7: turn out to be the case.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, they.
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  Speaker 7: Put millions and millions of dollars into a driver education
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  Speaker 7: program and we actually had three We had eighteen thousand
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  Speaker 7: students that we followed for some twelve years their driving
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  Speaker 7: behaviors and basically could find no impact. Okay, driver education
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  Speaker 7: if you had nothing basically going to a store or
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  Speaker 7: have your parents do it, all those kind of things,
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  Speaker 7: that was just as effective as drive education as the
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  Speaker 7: most fancy money burning system you could actually put in.
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  Speaker 7: So that's I mean. So yeah, we actually did study
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  Speaker 7: before and after for a long period of time, and
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  Speaker 7: at least in those days, eight following eighteen thousand students
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  Speaker 7: for ten years was actually quite significant for the time.
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  Speaker 7: Might be easier these days, but back then it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'll tell you what. In addition to the
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  Speaker 1: twelve years before and after that study, I'd also say
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  Speaker 1: the twelve years prior to whatever date. This is because
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  Speaker 1: we have changed the we have changed the makeup of
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  Speaker 1: the people that are on the road as well as
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  Speaker 1: everything else, and that we got to take that into
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  Speaker 1: account too. You've got a lot of kids in these
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  Speaker 1: schools that they didn't grow up, you know, idolizing cars
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  Speaker 1: and singing Chevy Jingles and stuff the way Americans did,
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  Speaker 1: and we're putting them out on the road with basically
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  Speaker 1: no love or experience for the American roadway.
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  Speaker 7: Well, but that would suggest that the proper response is
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  Speaker 7: to do another study and see whether or not a
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  Speaker 7: current drive education program amongst the current students would actually
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  Speaker 7: have an impact on your writing behaviors and to see
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  Speaker 7: what really happens and whether or not the beliefe that's
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  Speaker 7: doing in high school will work rather than going down
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  Speaker 7: to the to place down at the corner of the
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  Speaker 7: teacher's guard education and actually showed that actually makes a
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  Speaker 7: difference in terms of they'll be driving behaviors.
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  Speaker 1: I'm all for the studies too. I appreciate you, Jim,
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  Speaker 1: thanks very much. Back when I was taking Driver's ED
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  Speaker 1: was nineteen eighty one or something. One of the things
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  Speaker 1: US Department of Transportation. They showed us a you know,
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  Speaker 1: going under the back of a semi. This is something
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  Speaker 1: you want to avoid obviously, But there was a catcher
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  Speaker 1: back there, spring loaded that was at the level of
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  Speaker 1: the car's engine block. The car running into the back
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  Speaker 1: of the semi was stopped by this springloaded catcher and
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  Speaker 1: pushed back, keeping the car from going under the trailer,
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  Speaker 1: keeping the occupants from being decapitated. US Department of Transportation
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  Speaker 1: has known about that since nineteen eighty and it's still
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  Speaker 1: not on the road. So in trusting government to do
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  Speaker 1: their studies and come up with their ideas, I'll go
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  Speaker 1: with the flow, but I don't necessarily expect them to
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  Speaker 1: do anything that MA make sense. Steve, I think you're
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  Speaker 1: going to wrap us up on sixteen do WTVN.
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  Speaker 3: Hi Chuck, thank you. Yeah, you really opened the can
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  Speaker 3: of worms up on this one. Yeah, I see it.
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  Speaker 3: It's everybody. I agree with you about truckers and everything.
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  Speaker 3: I think it has to do with attitude on the
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  Speaker 3: road anymore.
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  Speaker 5: For one.
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  Speaker 3: And also this guy was just talking about the schools
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  Speaker 3: having them studies and stuff. The thing about that is
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  Speaker 3: when I was raised, a lot of kids rode motorcycles,
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  Speaker 3: and goat carts and all this stuff before they even
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  Speaker 3: got in a car. Yep, So that study can be
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  Speaker 3: a little skewed right there. You know. If you ask me,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. And like I said, i'd have I
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  Speaker 3: like you, I'd have to see it to.
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  Speaker 1: Be Dad and Uncle Frank took me out in a
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  Speaker 1: sixty eight Ford F one hundred on a country road
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  Speaker 1: when I was thirteen. We don't do that kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff anymore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, My dad taught me how to drive when I
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  Speaker 3: was thirteen and his four pickup truck. It was a
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  Speaker 3: three speed.
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  Speaker 1: Will you pay attention
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  Speaker 3: To the drive it in and out in the backyard.