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Healing Through Food With Dr. Jill Waggoner · Just Heal with Dr Jay

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to jess Hell with Doctor j a production of
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  Speaker 1: the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
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  Speaker 1: another episode with just here Doctor Jay. I am excited
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  Speaker 1: about the next guests because she saved my life literally,
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  Speaker 1: and I am excited to have her to sit down
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  Speaker 1: and to talk with me because we have been on
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  Speaker 1: several panels and they only let her cook for about
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  Speaker 1: five or ten minutes. So I'm letting her cook today,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna let her talk as long as she
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  Speaker 1: won't and let her do what she does best and
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  Speaker 1: that it's educating us on wellness, fitness, and our health.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome to the healing community, my PCP, and for
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  Speaker 1: the black men out there, go see the doctor. Please
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  Speaker 1: do It'll save your life. So welcome, without further ado,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome doctor Jill Wagoner. How are you, doctor Jill?
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  Speaker 2: Great? How are you?
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  Speaker 1: Sir? Listen? I'm phenomenal if she ill sat up in
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  Speaker 1: my chill because I'm like, I'm an interview with doctor Jill,
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  Speaker 1: so let me sit up because I know you are
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  Speaker 1: getting ready to give us a wealth of information and
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  Speaker 1: I am just elated to have this conversation with you.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm doing good.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Thank you. You said I could talk as
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  Speaker 2: long as I wanted to.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a hundred I'm just kidding. No, no, no, talk
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  Speaker 1: as long because we often get to talk on panels
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  Speaker 1: and you know, we got to share space and all
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  Speaker 1: those things, and people are always like, we want more
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  Speaker 1: from doctor Jill. And I was telling a few people
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  Speaker 1: that had reached out to me after Good Soil and
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  Speaker 1: they was like, how can I get a touch with
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  Speaker 1: doctor I said, well, I'm giving it through a podcast
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  Speaker 1: with it, and they was just like, I cannot wait
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  Speaker 1: for this episode because they want more. And so that's
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  Speaker 1: what I'm excited about. How are you feeling?
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  Speaker 2: Just I'm good. I'm really excited about the work you're
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  Speaker 2: doing with this podcast. It just you know, healing is essential,
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  Speaker 2: absolutely critical, and we got so much stuff to heal from. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: so this is good.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, And I want to and I've already said it
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  Speaker 1: to you. I would say it to you again. Thank you,
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  Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you for being honest with me.
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  Speaker 1: And what I love about how you show up in
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  Speaker 1: your practice and how you show up as a physician
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  Speaker 1: is you show up with truth and you deliver it
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  Speaker 1: in a way that calls somebody to the car because
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  Speaker 1: we need to be called to the carpet sometimes. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and then you know, you give us the next steps
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  Speaker 1: to say, hey, you got to make these changes, you know.
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  Speaker 2: But you told me as I was telling you what
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  Speaker 2: was going on with you, and it was you know,
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  Speaker 2: giving you this is what I recommend. You said to me,
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  Speaker 2: If you tell me what to do, I'll do it.
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  Speaker 2: Because I follow instructions, I'll be the best patient. That's
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  Speaker 2: what's critical because you tell I tell people a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people what's going on, and they choose not to listen,
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  Speaker 2: or they choose to pretend they don't understand or get
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  Speaker 2: the connection. But what you said is I am here
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  Speaker 2: for you to help me, tell me what to do.
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  Speaker 2: And I got it and you went to work. And
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  Speaker 2: that's what's necessary because it's not hard. It's really not hard.
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  Speaker 2: That's the thing that is so amazing to me that
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  Speaker 2: when you really start to tell people what it takes
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  Speaker 2: to be well to heal, the process may be difficult
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  Speaker 2: because of what you have to go through to get there,
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  Speaker 2: but the actual steps are not are Wow, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: And when you talk about the actual steps, doctor Jill,
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  Speaker 1: do you find that when you start to lay the
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  Speaker 1: steps out. That is what really stops people from moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because so you know, we give people information all
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  Speaker 2: the time. That's where we are. They get it everywhere
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  Speaker 2: and they have all the information. It's not the information
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  Speaker 2: that is at issue. It is the implum that is
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  Speaker 2: that issue. So you got it, but if you don't
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  Speaker 2: do anything with it, what doesn't matter. You can take
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  Speaker 2: all the classes, you can go to, all the therapy
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  Speaker 2: you can do all that. You can get all the trainers,
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  Speaker 2: you can hire a chef, you can do all the stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But if you do not do it, people say all
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  Speaker 2: the time that I join the health club, I have
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  Speaker 2: a membership. It's like, you know, that don't count, right,
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  Speaker 2: It's just not better that they are taking your money out.
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  Speaker 2: The issue is are you going and when you get there,
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  Speaker 2: are you running around? I see people all the time,
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  Speaker 2: they just in there wandering around. What are you doing? Girl?
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  Speaker 2: Get on something?
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a plan. They're just in there looking around.
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  Speaker 2: So you must have a plan. You must be ready
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  Speaker 2: to implement, and if you are not, you want to
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  Speaker 2: be successful. Period.
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  Speaker 1: See what I tell y'all, I'm telling you I'm letting
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  Speaker 1: her cook today because this is a vineyard of wi
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  Speaker 1: and information and just I mean astounding, astounding wealth of
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  Speaker 1: just knowledge that you have, Doctor Jill. Now, when you
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  Speaker 1: think about where we are today, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: talk about us as African Americas, black people, when you
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  Speaker 1: look at us when it comes old. Before I go there,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sitting in a restaurant yesterday, I do a private
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  Speaker 1: test doctor Nicole, who is a vegan chef, and she
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  Speaker 1: did this private tasting for me, and I'm trying all
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  Speaker 1: these different vegan options really really good. And the restaurant
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  Speaker 1: that we were at, Doctor Jill Asian lady who is
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  Speaker 1: the chef and the owner. So she comes in and
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  Speaker 1: she's a sushi spot at night from like five to nine,
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  Speaker 1: and she says, she says, you know, whenever you go
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  Speaker 1: to eat sushi, you want to make sure that the
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  Speaker 1: fish is fresh, and to make sure that when the
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  Speaker 1: fish is on ice for twenty four hours, watch this.
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  Speaker 1: She said, what happens when the fish is caught, if
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  Speaker 1: it's not on ice for twenty four hours, it goes
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  Speaker 1: into a fight or flight. And when it's in a
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  Speaker 1: fight or flight, there are chemicals released and the fish.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my mind went already and I said, are
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  Speaker 1: you serious? She says yes, She said, when you're eating
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  Speaker 1: food that is highly traumatized, This was true. What is
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  Speaker 1: it doing to our bodies? See?
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  Speaker 2: And we don't think about stuff like that. It's like
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  Speaker 2: when you eat chicken and they've all been crowded up
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  Speaker 2: together and the eggs are broken because they can't even
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  Speaker 2: walk around. What has happened to that animal before you
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  Speaker 2: consume it. They have chemicals too. Now it is in
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  Speaker 2: all of that flesh that you are conserdnered. See. We
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  Speaker 2: don't think about so we don't think about food period.
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  Speaker 2: We don't think about where it came from. We don't
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  Speaker 2: think about what's in it. We don't think about what
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  Speaker 2: was sprayed on it. We don't think about who cooked it.
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  Speaker 2: We don't think about whether they wash their hands. We
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  Speaker 2: don't think about any of that. And it is the
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  Speaker 2: most important thing that you do, the most important thing
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  Speaker 2: that you do, because you have to fuel yourself. I
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  Speaker 2: don't care what you are doing. What you consume is critical.
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  Speaker 2: You got a nice call. You can't put everything in
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  Speaker 2: that car. You are careful about where you go? Who
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  Speaker 2: would not? Don't don't go over there and put my
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  Speaker 2: gas in. I mean, it's just that simple. We understand
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  Speaker 2: that about machines and all other things, and it sounds
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  Speaker 2: almost ridiculously simple, but it's the truth. What is that done?
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  Speaker 2: What is that you are feeding your kids? You don't
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  Speaker 2: understand why he's trying to flip off the rooftop and
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  Speaker 2: he's eating that yellow something with something hot on top
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  Speaker 2: of it and some chemical mixture that is hitting all
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  Speaker 2: of the pleasure centers in his brain. And he is
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  Speaker 2: addicted from two to fifty. What in the world? And
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  Speaker 2: we just never think about, what are you doing when
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  Speaker 2: you are putting coke in your baby's bottle? What are
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  Speaker 2: you doing? We just don't even we don't think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Jill, she broke that thing down. Well, she was talking.
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  Speaker 1: I started seeing it, Yes, I started seeing it, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about She says, my brother has a
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  Speaker 1: farm with pigs, and she said all of the pigs
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  Speaker 1: are happy. And she said his theory and method is
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  Speaker 1: that their only day of sadness should be the day
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  Speaker 1: that they die. They die. So, if you.
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  Speaker 2: When you were younger, did you ever spend time in
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  Speaker 2: the country, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: My grandparents were sharecroppers.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, so you remember how the animals were out there
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  Speaker 2: and what they ate and all of that mattered. You
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  Speaker 2: remember that, Yes, and so right before they were you
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  Speaker 2: were going to eat something, you know, they would get
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  Speaker 2: it and preparing and it just it was so fresh
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  Speaker 2: and so different, and they were careful about it. Would
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  Speaker 2: set stuff aside before you were going to eat it
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  Speaker 2: because they wanted it to be clean and natural. All
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  Speaker 2: of that. We have that hysterically.
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  Speaker 1: We had that, and I'm thinking, and I was telling her,
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  Speaker 1: and I was deal with my buddy, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, he's in mental health and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I already know what you're thinking because I'm sitting there
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  Speaker 1: thinking the anxiety that we have today that is a
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  Speaker 1: direct correlation to our goods when you listen to Because
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  Speaker 1: I said, we're in an era where it just seemed
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  Speaker 1: like people are just crashing out. Yeah, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: all of this crashing out. All of these medication that
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  Speaker 1: these kids are on for ADHD. They're on zoloft, they're
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  Speaker 1: on lexipro, they're on rhythming on adderall, they're on concerto.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they're on all of these medications. And I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: have anybody thought about what these kids are eating. If
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  Speaker 1: you're eating chips all day, cookies, chips would die, doctor J.
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  Speaker 1: How much is that affecting our system neurologically and mentally?
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  Speaker 2: So in order to make the neurotransmitters, which are the
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  Speaker 2: chemicals that determine how you feel. So you know you've
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  Speaker 2: heard a serotonin, you've heard of melotonin, you've heard about it.
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  Speaker 2: So you've heard about those chemicals, and you know they're
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  Speaker 2: made in different places. A lot of them are made
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  Speaker 2: in the gut. You know, most serotonin is made in
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  Speaker 2: the gut. That's your pleasure chemical. But the thing that
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  Speaker 2: we don't talk about is if you don't have the
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  Speaker 2: right ingredients to make them, it doesn't matter. So your
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  Speaker 2: gut cells cannot make serotonin if you don't have serotonin
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  Speaker 2: making stuff in your system. Does that make sense to you?
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  Speaker 1: Wow?
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  Speaker 2: So a lot of the drugs that we give, for instance,
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  Speaker 2: for depression, is something called a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: you know that, which means that the serotonin that you
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  Speaker 2: have stays out in the snat's longer, so you don't
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  Speaker 2: take it up to try to feel better. Okay, but
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  Speaker 2: what if there's not any out there? If there's none
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  Speaker 2: being made, then it doesn't matter whether you slowly reuptake
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  Speaker 2: it of it or not. And if you don't have
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  Speaker 2: the right amino acids in your system to make it
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  Speaker 2: in the first place, you follow me. That's the step
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  Speaker 2: we're not talking about. So now we know in many
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  Speaker 2: adolescent psychiatrists and pediatric psychiatrists have said the first thing
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  Speaker 2: you do if the child has attention deficit disorder is
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  Speaker 2: check their diet. That should be number one. So number
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  Speaker 2: one should be get them off all processed foods and
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  Speaker 2: give them real food and watch their brains calm down.
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  Speaker 2: Because if you in the morning, if you wake the
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  Speaker 2: baby up and you get them ready for school, you
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  Speaker 2: stop by the donut shop and you buy them donut
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  Speaker 2: holes and chalk the milk, you know, people do that.
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  Speaker 2: They swing through or they get the thing with the
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  Speaker 2: little so ssage in there, so they bond that yeah
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  Speaker 2: in it, and so that's what they have. So they
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  Speaker 2: get to school and they had donut holes, which is
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  Speaker 2: fried dough, and they had chocolate chocolate milk, which is
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  Speaker 2: an abomination because his milk with syrup in it. So
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  Speaker 2: that's what they had, and so you have elevated their
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  Speaker 2: blood sugar and you have elevated their insulin and they
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  Speaker 2: are high as a kite. Who by ten o'clock, that
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  Speaker 2: little joker is trying to tell it really, so they
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  Speaker 2: are swinging and the teacher saying, I don't understand why
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  Speaker 2: he won't be quiet, and I don't understand why he's
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  Speaker 2: trying to do cartwheels because his brain is doing what
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  Speaker 2: it is supposed to do when it gets a sugar high,
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  Speaker 2: because it's just like alcohol. They are flipping out. And
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  Speaker 2: then what do we do in school? They flip out?
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  Speaker 2: And then at ten o'clock, when the brain may be
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  Speaker 2: about to calm down, what did they do? Have you
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  Speaker 2: to bring a snack? So what is in the snack?
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  Speaker 2: Huh oh? Now you fuel them back up again. They
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  Speaker 2: don't get any learning done none. And because they have
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  Speaker 2: been acting up now they don't get to go outside
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  Speaker 2: and run because to punish them, they make them stay
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  Speaker 2: inside and put their hands on their desk. And then
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  Speaker 2: they go to lunch and have a lunchable with that
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  Speaker 2: caprico and in there see all these capriso and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: People gonna get me and y'all protect me, don't he.
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  Speaker 1: One listen, I'm letting you cook but this is the issues.
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  Speaker 2: That's what we're doing, and it is. So then you
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  Speaker 2: think about, okay, well it's for convenience, which doesn't really
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  Speaker 2: make sense to me, because you are killing your child
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  Speaker 2: for convenience. Is that really what you want to do?
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  Speaker 2: Oranges and apples don't take a lot of time either.
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  Speaker 2: You just crik a up. You know, a good piece
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  Speaker 2: of chicken doesn't tank or whatever. You just give them
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  Speaker 2: some real food, food that your great grandparents would recognize,
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  Speaker 2: and stop giving them the chemicals because it's a business,
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  Speaker 2: and the business because you know, they're scientists. Their whole
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  Speaker 2: job is to get that thing where it tastes the best.
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  Speaker 2: It stimulates everything so that you get ultimate pleasure and
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  Speaker 2: requires less chewing because when you chew, that's associated with sayety,
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  Speaker 2: which is feeling full. So we don't want you to
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  Speaker 2: chew a bunch. So that's why it melts in your mouth.
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  Speaker 1: So this is why you never they're never satiated.
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  Speaker 2: No, not satiated, because you're not chewing enough. It's melting
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  Speaker 2: in your mouth. You've got all of these stimulatory things.
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  Speaker 2: And the other thing, the reason you get full is
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  Speaker 2: because when you take in nutrients, then you are satisfied.
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  Speaker 2: They are nutrient deficient, so you're getting no nutrients. Your
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  Speaker 2: body is saying, I want so more of this. I
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  Speaker 2: need some nutrient. I mean, all of that's working together.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why all of us have all of this
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  Speaker 2: metabolic dysfunction, which is really affecting our mental health. It's
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  Speaker 2: a whole issue, it is, and because so many reasons.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's so many reasons. But that's why we
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  Speaker 2: have to tell people ourselves. You are responsible for knowing.
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  Speaker 2: If you are trying to raise a young man and
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  Speaker 2: you are trying to get him to calm down so
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  Speaker 2: he can hear, if you're trying to raise him so
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  Speaker 2: that he's an optimal athlete, if you're trying to raise
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  Speaker 2: him so he's a scientist, he's got to be able
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  Speaker 2: to hear and comprehend and get the information. You got
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  Speaker 2: to calm his brain down. And it doesn't need to
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  Speaker 2: be done with drugs. If he requires medicine, okay, but
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  Speaker 2: does he really.
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  Speaker 1: I told y'all, I'm letting her talk as much as
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  Speaker 1: she wont today because we need to heal. And it
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  Speaker 1: starts with food. CJ and I was in Nova Scotia,
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  Speaker 1: Canada about a week and a half. The food has
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  Speaker 1: no preservatives. The food was so feeling.
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  Speaker 2: You can't even eat much. You just you stop eating
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  Speaker 2: because you're like, okay, this is but full.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Like we were like we normally when we eat sushi,
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  Speaker 1: like you know we eat sushi. We had we split
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  Speaker 1: what one role, like like two roles were done, and
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  Speaker 1: we were done, and then we it. We went to
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  Speaker 1: one place and and he felt like he had been
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  Speaker 1: drug He felt like he wanted to go to sleep,
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  Speaker 1: but they was telling him because the nutris an ingredient
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  Speaker 1: was just so satisfying. And I was just like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again, I'm talking to a doctor here. So
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  Speaker 1: even even even I'm gonna say this, and and again
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  Speaker 1: I have to preface this, even going to the restaurant
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  Speaker 1: ther stool floats.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's different. You know what else is different
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  Speaker 2: and we don't talk about it. Your sexual function is
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  Speaker 2: different too, it is. And so my husband told me
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  Speaker 2: years ago, he said, baby, if you would tell fellas
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  Speaker 2: that if they ate better, they would perform better. He said,
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  Speaker 2: why y'all ain't telling people that?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, and necessary and then and I'm so glad
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  Speaker 1: you said that, doctor Jill, because I'm having to tell
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  Speaker 1: I just did an interview. We just did an interview
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  Speaker 1: with doctor Joffrey out of New Dvance Medical, which is
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  Speaker 1: they're doing this huge push for men, and he was
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  Speaker 1: talking about the uprise with young males in their twenties
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  Speaker 1: with erectile dysfunction.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and testosterone being low. So let's just talk about
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  Speaker 2: it for a second. A rectile dysfunction. The way you
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  Speaker 2: function is because your male genitalia is like a sponge,
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  Speaker 2: so it functions or becomes erect when you get blood flow.
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  Speaker 2: You know how water goes into a sponge. So many
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  Speaker 2: young men eat so poorly that their blood vessels are
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  Speaker 2: adversely affected and so you can't get flow.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And then because they eat so many chemicals, they are
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  Speaker 2: consuming pesticides which are estrogenic.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And so they are because men have some estrogen but
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  Speaker 2: it's low, so they are stimulating estrogen receptors. And then
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  Speaker 2: when you get a lot of body fat on as
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  Speaker 2: a young man, your body fat converts estrogen, testosterone.
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  Speaker 1: To estrogen, and that needs to depression.
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  Speaker 2: And all of those things. So it's estrogenic effects and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: then they don't function, which also adds to the mental
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: part of it, yes, and.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Look at where we are. And I told the men this,
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I was just speaking. I said, they don't tell y'all
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: to eat better. All they do is push another pill. Yes, hey, fellas,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you want to perform better in bed.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Here's yes.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: And I said, I said, brothers, I said, I'm telling
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you the world does not think about your whole body.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: Our long time health and well being. And I say
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: this often too, because a lot of people push back
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: on doctors and they said, well, they're not even telling us.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: They don't know. Nobody taught us about nutrition.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: So you are sitting there thinking that the doctor is
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: an expert in medication, not into NUTRICI out now lead out,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: unless they have taken it upon themselves to learn outside
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: of medicine what to do. I personally feel like a
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: doctor who doesn't know about food is like a firefighter
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: who doesn't know about water. How on earth if are
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: you going to put out the fire? If you don't
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: understand water and where you hit the fire and all
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of that. We are not trained in that way because
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: we are trained to drive the system, whether it was
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: intentional or not. And so you who go in there
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: thinking that the doctor is of course thinking about what
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I eat, and the best advice that you get is
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: pull away from the table and exercise more. Well, okay,
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: what thank you?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna keep Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And here's another pills. But that's how we were trying.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Ain't that You know this as somebody who takes care
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: of people who've been a professional athlete. Listen, you can
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: only use what is in your arsenal. Yes, if you
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: don't know how to make your picks bigger, you do
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: run around doing a little bit of everything. You don't
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: know what to do. You kid with somebody who knows
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: how to tell you, if you do this this many times,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: it'll be effective. So that's that's what people are.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you how effective it is because
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: I was on tour for three years and in and
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: out of airport and I'm telling you, doctor Jill, and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I was knocking down probably a quest bar at least
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: twice a day because in my mind it's a proteaque bar.
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah. And I said stop, I said, what
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: do you consume? You said, well, I do, you know
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: all the time. So I got protein bars and I
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: do a protein drink and I do it. And I
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: said listen. If you can't get going there and get
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: some nuts, you know, get some seeds, try to find
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you a piece of fruit, find you something real that
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: your body can use. And you are not alone because
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: all of the commercials tell us get that before you
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: work out, and then get you another little piece of
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: whatever that is before you and so people think, oh,
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: that must be a good thing. Your body don't know
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: what to.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: Do with that. It's like what you said to me
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: just as so color, Baby, that ain't real, I did.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: That's my text. Care you think it's not And you went,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: but oh.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Because I kept it's a protein bar, so I'm thinking
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: it's good. And you was like, maybe you don't know
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: what's in this.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: You don't know what's in there.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: And I'm telling you you know, I talked about this
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: last week. We was on the panel of Good Soil.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: But I knew it was bad when I got on
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: stage and I forgot everything m hm. And I knew
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: that my body and as you said, Jay, your body,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: your immune system is compromised, and nobody knows it because
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I hadn't talked about but I had a double ear
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: infection that was so bad.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: You were so sick, you were so sick. You came
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: in and you were you were you not only were sick,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: you were scared because you were hurting so mad.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Ce J. I don't think. I don't think I told
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: c J about this, But man, the pain we had.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: We had to call doctor Jill again because the pain
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: was let up. And what what what was that? You
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: had gave me the highest form whatever whatever that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I gave you a little bit everything wet.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: That was the thing is like I had, My body
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: was just in the ear. In fact, I have never
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: in my life. My mother was over at my house
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: and all she was doing she was crying and praying
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: because I was sitting there in so much pain and tears.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: All I do is cry.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: An earache is if you've never had one as an adult,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: you don't know what that is. That's why baby screak.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: It is horrid. It's like somebody putting a two pick
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: do your It is horrific pain, and you think, what
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: in the world, But a real ear ache.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Is like that.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And when you came into my office, you were so sick,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: you were hurting so bad, you were hurting so bad,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: You're like, oh, what can y'all do something?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really were. And I didn't realize that I
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: had been going, going and going and going and eating
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: protein bars don't forget, and eating protein balls and I
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: have been doing this for three years. Yeah, they had
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: been doing this for three years. And I didn't realize
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: until I stopped how the body reacted for me stopping
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: because as long as I was going, I was fine,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: and then not realizing I'm gonna get even more transparent
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: with y'alls because I want y'all brothers to truly hear this.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: I knew something was off because my body was just
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: doing some funky stuff like I'm talking about. Just I
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: would be in the gym for weeks at a time
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: and nothing was happening. I'm just like, man, I'm working,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I'm working in they said, I'm like, nothing's happening, and
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: not realizing the stress of the tour pouring into people
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: and not having outlets and being poured back into but
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: then not having a space where I can just breathe
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: and taking all that trauma from these guys share their story.
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: Then I'm going to sleep at eleven thirty, eating back
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: up at four to catch a flight. Doctor Ja. My
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: body was just in as you we talked about that
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: are just a fight or flight mold.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: It was so your cortisol levels were elevated, and because
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: your cortisol was elevated, so was your insulin, and you
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: developed and you had insulin resistance, which was making you
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: put on a little extra weight. You were like, I'm
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: doing all the stuff, and you know, you looked great,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: but physically you knew something wasn't something wasn't right because
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: on a cellular level, your body was not functionally optimally anymore.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Oh and again I told you I'll be transparent. I
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: went and got all my blood work done and doctor
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Jill came to me and she said, baby, and the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: average man, your testoshial levels should be between eight hundred
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: to twelve hundred. Is that, great, doctor Rick, between eight
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: hundred to twelve hundred V hours that are two thirty.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Five looking like you look, and you were at two
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: thirty five. Two thirty five, I would go in the gym.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: I would go in the gym and just sit there.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: That was no morale.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: It was just a four long depression because when your
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: test levels are low, there is no drive to do anything.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so important for you to say, because most
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: people when they think about hormones. First of all, they
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: think of estrogen testosterone, and they only think about your
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: sexual functioning. Testosterone is your drive hormone, not just your
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: sexual drive. It is your drive for life. It is
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: the thing that makes you ferocious. Yes, so that's why
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: young men drive too fast. I mean all of that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: That's why you know you square up real quickly, because
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: your testosterone is that thing that gives you your edge.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: And when it goes, not only do you not have
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: it physically, you don't have it mentally either. And so
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: there you are struggling and you don't know why. And
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: young men are depressed and they don't know why, and
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: they can't function and they don't know why, and they're
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: angry and they're sad and they're all of that disappointment
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and they don't know why, and it's because they're metabolically
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: things are so jacked up. But when they go to
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: the doctor, nobody's looking. So I was talking to my
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: husband today, I said, you know, there we talk about
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: access to medical care, and most people think access means
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: there's not a hospital nearby, or there's not a doctor nearby,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: or there's not a doctor. You don't have insurance. Access
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: to medical care can also mean or the lack of
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: access can mean that your doctor is not allowing you
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: to do to get the right stuff, because if your
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: doctor doesn't order the right test, then you are being
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: denied access. So you got the insurance, you got all
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: the stuff, but if I won't get the right test
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: for you, I am denying you access to optimal care.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: And see that's a different level that we don't talk about.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: That's why we have to have the conversations so people
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: know what to ask. Even yes, your testosterone level should
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: be checked. I check it because if I don't check
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: it out, you're gonna know.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that you said that because for
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: the brothers who will own it, like you need to know. Sure,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: because a lot of this depression, this aim and this
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: whole crash out thing that is all of a sudden
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: that has taken over the land, it's because some of
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you need to go to the doctor and have your
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: test levels checked.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, and so this is why you need to know,
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: because a lot of things are fixable, they're reversible. But
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: if you don't know, it's an issue how you're going
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: to fix it. So if you know your testosterone is low,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: or you know that your insulin is high, or you
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: know that your borderline diabetic. If you know that you're
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: now we can make adjustments. And that doesn't mean appeal.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: That means that I can advise you. And you have
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: a reference point. So now you can go back and
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: look and say, oh, okay, it's better, and you can
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: correlate that with how you feel. So next time you
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: feel that again, you think, oh, the last time I
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: felt this, and therefore it kind of guides you in
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: the direction that you need to go.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this conversation UJIL is so rich and I
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: know that it's going to help many and also what
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: it has really challenged me to do since coming to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: your office in December is also looking for fools that
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: help with my mind. Yeah, especially in this work, talking
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: to people, hearing stories and thinking about food that helped
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: me to perform better mentally, Yes, to help me to
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: be cognitively. You know what I'm saying strong, strong alert.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: There are certain things and I say this, I teach
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: a class, and I teach the class. It's a weight loss,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: but it's not really lack.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: In order to give people to listen, you got to
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: talk about weight loss, so you just do. I'm not
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: gonna if I said, oh, I have a metabolic well
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: in this class, I'd just be sitting up in there,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: me and my stage. You know, just ain't nobody coming.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: But if I say I'm going to tell you how
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: to lose weight, and then they come and I say,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: I told you how to lose weight, I'm gonna tell
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you how to lose weight, but first we're gonna talk
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: about getting metabolically well. And then I start telling them
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: this is how you eat, the way that you eat
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: your food, the order you know, we talked about that,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the order that you eat your food matters. How long
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you fast matters. So there's so much information out there
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: that people hear, Oh I hear that fast and is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: a good thing. Oh no, I hear the fasting is bad.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: They don't know what to do. When you have a
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: relationship with a physician that you trust and who is
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: well informed, not only can I tell you, but I
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: can tell you the science. Yes, I can tell you why.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I can tell you why that matters. I can tell
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: you why you need to make sure that you eat.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you have something acidic so you may eat
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: a vinagrette dressing on top of your stuff first, and
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: you start with your vegetables, and then you do your protein,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: and you do all of that, and then by the
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: time you finish all that, if you want to have
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: some you have it. At the very end you process
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: it differently.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: So I can tell you those things so that you
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: are able to really go through what it is you
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: need to know. So not only do you consume the
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: best food, but you get the optimum benefit from it
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: when you consume it.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: Critical y'all better run this podcast number. This episode number
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: is up because we are sick as a people. We are,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: and I know that it is connected to our mental health.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt about it. I just did a class
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago at Harvard Metabolic Wellness and
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: there was a section about metabolic well being and mental health.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Well now we are studying the connection. Yes, there are
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: people who have diabetes have more depression, people who have
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: heart disease have more depression and anxiety. People who have
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: schizophrenia have more obesity. I mean, the numbers go on
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: and on and on. The question is and the errors
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: go in both directions, so one feeds the other. So
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: if you understand that while I'm anxious or I'm depressed,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: I may not be able to completely fix it. But
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: if I know that the way I eat changes it,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: then I can eat in that way. And then when
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you add exercise, because you know, I'm sure you have
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: to exercise for your mental well being, not just for
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: what you look like, because if you don't exercise, you
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: don't feel mentally good. So when you know, when you
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: put all the pieces together, and then you add your
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: counseling and your therapy and you do all of the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: things that you need to do, you can get yourself
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: back to wellness. Yeah.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Man, this is so good now, Doctor Jill. You know,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: we talk about healing, and you recently went through a
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: journey yourself personally past couple of years, and you know,
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: I know you shared a little bit about about it
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: with me. What was that like for you personally to
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: go through your own journey and to navigate through that.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: So, you know, several things that have happened to My
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: children always said to me, Mom, me unique counselor. And
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I've done counseling probably five times over the course of
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: my years. Because I was sitting back there thinking about it,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I think that I'm at a stage in my life
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: where I had made the decision that I want to
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: be well, and so I want to be physically well,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: mentally well, all of those things for a number of reasons.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: One is I'm at a one in my life that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I want to live life fully. The other thing is this,
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I feel an urgency to be able to tell people
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: how to be well. Yes, and because I was so overweight,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: I was physically overweight and also mentally overweight. I think
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that people couldn't hear me because they could see me,
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: and so in order to fix to be able to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: offer information in a way that people could hear me,
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: I had to first fix me. And so I was
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: really I've been working for the last two and a
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: half years really trying to learn the information so that
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I could fix me, so that I can lead other people.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: You know, they say, never leave folks somewhere you had
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: been yourself. I could lead people to what healing looks like.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: So that's I'm really I'm feeling good about that.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look amazing, Thank you.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: I think I feel kind of cute too.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Hey, Mark, I ain't say nothing. Listen listen. David Battle
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: was fertin than a state. Listen David Battle's slow Baby Mark,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: I got you, I got you, Good brothers, I got you,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: good brothers.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: It was it was fun, but just trying to be well, behold,
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: be physically well, be strong. What I decided was it's like,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I will not be seventy and sick because there's a
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: thing that happens for African American men. There was you
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: can look this up. The time when African American men
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: start to get sick is in their late forties, early fifties.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: They started dropping dead and their fifties. Just think about
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: I mean that, you know dead. You know, your hear's like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: oh my god, he dropped me, and it starts and
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you think what in the world, and then they just
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: start dropping dead. So that's why you don't know very
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: many African American women that are pasted a certain age.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: They were married, but their husband's been gone. They've been gone,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: they've been gone, they've been widdled. You know, she's in
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: her sixties, seventies, she's been a widow for twenty years,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: you know. So I made the decision that I was
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: going to make sure and for women by the time
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: we go through menopause and then by the time we
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: hit that seventy ish, that's when you know you start
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: needing your stuff. Replace your knees, your hips. You can't
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: go up and down the stairs, you can't down your shoes,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: you can't all of that. And so I was like,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: that's not gonna be me. I want to be able
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: to move around in my body. So having control of
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: your body, maintaining your lean muscle mass, this is stuff
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: we don't talk about. So if you're able to maintain
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: your lean muscle mass, your longevity is increased. Wow, because
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: you're less likely to fall and break aheap. You're able
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: to keep going and keep functioning. So that was really
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: important to me to be strong, to be able to
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: be where I could tell people this, to keep my
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: brain because there's a lot of stuff in here a
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: lot of years and so I wanted to be able
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to continue to access it so I could share it
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  Speaker 2: with the world.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Oh that's so good. So you can be able to.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: Access it, because if it's in there, you can tell nobody.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I'm going to sit again to be able to access
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: what is in your brain. And I'm sitting here thinking
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: about the number of people who are not able to access.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: It excess it. When you lose your brain, you lose
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: your life. It didn't matter if I was a great doctor.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: If I can't remember, it doesn't matter if I have
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: people who love me. If I can't remember, what is that?
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: And we know that much of that has to do
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: with trauma. It's physiological, it's biological, it's environmental, yes, not
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: just environmental, what chemicals? But where did you grow up?
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: What happened? What happened when your dad left? What did
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: you feel? You know? All of that, all of that matters.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: And so as we work through all of it, then
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: our brains stay well and we can remember the list
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: we've lived until we transition.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Oh man, that's so beautiful. And as you were talking,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I'm sitting here thinking how I grew up in Mississippi,
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: and I'm sitting and thinking like where we grew up
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: at and just the sadness that is over the people,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: the sadness that is over the the community. And I
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: think about my father because he's still passing and still doing.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: You know, he's sixty six, but I think about how
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: he's aging. And I'll look at people like you and
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: look at your husband Mark, and like you guys look
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: like you're aging backwards. And you start to look at
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: you know, different people in different age groups, and you
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: don't compare, but you begin to access what is different
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: in their lives.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: What does that look like? Were the choices that I made? Yes,
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: I had the opportunity. I was in a green room
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: and there was a lady in the green room who
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: is one hundred and five. She's about to be one
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: hundred and five, and so the other ladies who in
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: the green room said to her, what did you do
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: to get to be this old? What were the things
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: that you And the person who was with her said, oh,
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: people asked her all the time. She said, there wasn't
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: anything that she did in particular. And I said to her,
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know what you did. I want to know
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: what you didn't do. And she gave me twenty minutes
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: of what she did not do. Wow, And I thought,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: that's what we need to know. Yes, she said, baby,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I don't eat stuff that come out of cans, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I don't eat stuff that you know all this process
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: she went in, she said, And so I read years
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: go to this aluminum and stuff, and that can affect
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: your brain. I stop using aluminum and she I mean,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: she told me all of the stuff that we have
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: science for. Yes, she gave it all all to me.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: You are correct. You can look at examples. Yes, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: look how people age. You know, we saw I saw
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: the Clark's sisters the other night, and you know, they
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: are grown, fully grown. Their voices are magical. And I
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: was sitting there and I thought about Whitney Houston, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: I thought about how her voice was amazing, and how
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: in her forties she struggled with her voice. Well, it's
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: public knowledge, what you know, the troubles and things that
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: she went through. And then I heard these women and
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: I thought, that's the difference. The difference is how do
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: you handle the gift of health? What do you do
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: with that?
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: How do you handle the give of health? Oh? Man,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: that so I see, Oh Jesus, that that is. That's
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: so layered. Yeah, because if you're not healthy, you can't
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: carry out whatever he's giving you, any of it.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: If you're an entrepreneur, if you go down, the vision
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: goes down. If you're a father, if you go down,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: all of the fathering you were gonna do for your
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: child is gone. Somebody else can come up and they
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: can pick up the slack. But they're not gonna give
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: them what you were gonna give them. Critical, so critical,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: we just don't think about it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Man. You doctor Ju, you have just given such a
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: wealth of information. And as you were talking, I began
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: to think about my grandmother, and I credit her for
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: much of what I've become today because she spoke it
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: in me. She used to call me doctor J as
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: a kid, as a walk in the house, doctor J.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: And I said, my grandmother when she passed me, and
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: her was close. She used to write me letters every
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: month in college and she's a put one hundred dollars
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: bill in there from her Social Security check. And she
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: was vegetarian. Yeah, And I used to be like, Grandma,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: you gonna used to meet boy, ain't eight me since
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: seventy five? Yes, when she died, she did not have
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: gray hair or any wrinkles. Skin looked like you or
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: she was eighty. She only passed because she had a
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: broken heart because my grandfather died first and she died
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a year later. She walked every day, she did yoga. Yeah,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: and I begin as you were talking. I began, and
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: she was so health conscious and she would be like baby,
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: she will cook it but she would never eat it. Yeah,
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: she will cook these big meals for everybody, and they'd
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: be like, Grandma, you gonna eat Oh no, baby, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: don't do no meat. She'd get her little rice and
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: beans and veggies. And I thought of I said, man, Grandma.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I was telling my sister, I keep pictures of her,
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: and I said, man, Grandma didn't have no wrinkles. The
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: elasticity in her skin was still there. And as you
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: were talking, I'm just thinking about how she stood to
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: give a help health.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, you know all of us are
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: going to eventually leave this life. I mean, you know
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: it's inevitable. But don't you want to live up until
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: the very last minute and then go to bed and die.
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I want when I die people to say what she gone?
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: I saw it last week. She was looking so good.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: You know. I do not want to be ill for
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: ten fifteen years, because many people who are Christians will say, oh,
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: well I'm gonna die. You know the Lord say the
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: day you got it? You know that. They But okay,
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: so what if I don't take care of my stuff
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and I'm here for twenty more years Because it wasn't
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: my time to die exactly. So is that what I want?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, we have to think about that. You want
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: to be well, You want to be well up until
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the moment you transition.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there thinking about how the lady was
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: talking about the pigs and how happy they are in
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: this environment and they make sure they're able to run
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: and be free up until their day, you know, to leave,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: and just how powerful that is if we can begin
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: to steward our health in that way, in that way,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: to seek more joy and to seek more happiness, and
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: to free ourselves by creating an environment of wellness through
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: the ways that we eat, the ways that we connect,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: because I really believe doctor Jill that this food it
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: is determining how we even interact with each other. I've
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: never seen such angry people.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: That's such aggression. You know, when you come to my office,
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: there's always music. The colors are we have common colors.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I try to make sure it smells good. We try
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: to hug you and say hello when you come in.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Environment is everything. What you consume is everything, not just
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: what you eat, but what you consume. What is it
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: that you are taking in? When you take in goodness,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: you have goodness to give and that's just the truth.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Man. So in closing, doctor Jill, I asked every guest
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: this question, what is healing for you?
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Healing for me, having grown up in the sixties, it
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: is understanding that a little black girl like me can
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: really be whatever she wanted to be. Wow. I am
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: healed because I am. I am healed because I stand
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: and I impact people's that's healing for me.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: Wow. And now I'm sitting here, like you said, grew
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: up in the sixties, I'm just like.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: Wow, and just yeah, I'm grown. I'm fully grown, but
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: I am. And I remember when I was in first grade,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I could the schools weren't integrated yet.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they were not.
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: So when you think about where you are today, doctor Gill, like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: what are your thoughts of the little girl who was
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: in first grade at school where it's like when you
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: go back to that time.
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: I think of my grandfather who he called me snake eye. Okay,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I don't know why, but it did. He call me
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: snake eye, and he told me I can be anything.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And I remember I was a little girl saying I
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: wanted to be a doctor, and everybody was like, no,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: you don't want to be a doctor. You want to
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: be a nurse. Nursing is a wonderful profession, but wh
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: I can't be a doctor. And my grandfather was saying,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: stop telling her that she can be whatever she wants
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to be. And for Christmas he got me back then
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: those were the little nurse's kids. He got me the
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: doctor one. So I had the little thing up on
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: my head because it had a little yeah for that,
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: and I got that, and I also got the wigs
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: sit in the high hair shoes. So I was but
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: because you always going to be a girly girl. But
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I remember my grandfather and the strength that he had
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: and the power that he gave me. If my grandfather
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: was changing the oil, I was out there handing him
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: the rent. If he was cutting the grass, I was
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: out there cutting the grass, and he was telling me
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: how to make sure I edged it right. Because what
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: he wanted me to feel was power. He wanted me
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: to know that I had power to be whatever I
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to be, even though I was black and a girl.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: So I always think of Daddy and I always think
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: how round he would be. Oh my god, he would
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: be so proud of me.
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: And I'm proud of doctor Jill, because you have made
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: an impact of my life. When I tell you out
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: on food processed foods. When we on the road, if
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: I can't get to no real food, I grab a
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: bag or cash.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: You yes, and you're not gonna starve to death, so
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: be all right and get the best you can. That's
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: the other thing we think we got to eat. I
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: got to eat something there, you know.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's just really giving me a different outlook
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: on aging, you know. And I'll see one of the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: I was at the farmer's market yesterday buying a watermelon,
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: and there was a husband and wife out there, and
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I just come from the gym and I always work
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: out in like sweats and and like sweatshirts, like I
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: like hoodies. I like to sweat. And the brother looked
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: at me and and I was buying something because I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: was supporting that everybody's business, and he goes, he says, man,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: he said, man, aren't you hot? I said no, Man,
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: I said, I feel good. I said I always when
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I played balley, I wore long sleeves under my pants.
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, man, you gotta sweat. Man, get
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: them toxes at you. And he was like, man, how
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: there are some forty three he like now, he looked
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: like he was about probably mid early the mid thirties.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: His mouth was on the floor, wow because because he
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: I can tell he didn't look healthy, you know. And
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: and he was just like, man like, so, what's the secret?
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Wow? Boom this right here? Stop eating that that you
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: ain't on your way in here, Go to the gym.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Get you a hoodie too, exactly, That's what and that's what.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: That's what I told him and man, and so it was.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: It was crazy because he was there with his wife
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: and man and she was just like wow, like wow,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: And I was like, let me get up out of here,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: because I was starting to argue because why can't you
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: look at it like.
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: Ma'am, don't wow any more? Stop wowing that.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: But I think we have to begin to change how
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: we think about ourselves, and particularly for men, because right now,
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: the life expectancy of a black man is sixty one
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: point five fifty one point five.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: You know, in this city there is there's two communities
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: sixty one point five and less than ten miles up
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: the road, it's ninety. Look it up. And the race
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: is not DNA. Because we understand that the human genome,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: We're ninety nine point nine percent the same genetically. Race
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: is a social construct, so why is it that black
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: men die thirty years before some other men. We'll leave on.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: That Listen, I'm going to have CJ put some different
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: links on this podcast where you can connect with doctor Jill,
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: follow her on Instagram, and even connect with her. Listen,
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Brothers and women, I think this is a great opportunity
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: for you to begin connecting back to individuals who care
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: about your overall wellness holistically. And that's what I love
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: about doctor Jill. She is not just a physician who
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: is going to prescribe to medicate. She's going to prescribe
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: to help you heal and to become better. Doctor Jill,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: thank you again. I'm so glad that we got to
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: have to sit down, and I'm so glad the world
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: gets to hear from you because you deserve time to
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: be able to do what you did today, to provide insight,
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: provide information and knowledge, and to share your story. And
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: so I'm just thank you, just grateful that you came
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: to know to the healing community today to bless these people.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: And I know that the women, the brothers are going
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: to be grateful for this because you have just given
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: us a wealth of information. And for those of you,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: if you have not gone to the doctor this year,
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: my brother, please go to the doctor. Get yourself checked out, man,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: because we need brothers here to be not just the
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: stables in our community, but man to be an example
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: of what it looks like to age well. And listen.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Until next time, remember healing is a journey and wholeness
• 58:59
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