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Woman Eerily Smiles in Court as She's Sentenced for Murdering Her Father · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: I want you to picture a court room. Just visualize
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it for a second, right.
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Speaker 2: The heavy wooden benches, the fluorescent lights, exactly.
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Speaker 1: The date is April second, twenty twenty six, and you
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are sitting in the gallery of the Spokane County Superior Court.
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Speaker 2: And you know the room has that heavy, just suffocating silence.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that specific silence that only happens when something truly
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terrible is about to be finalized by the justice system.
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Speaker 2: It's a very visceral feeling in a room like that.
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Speaker 1: It really is. So. At the defense table sits a
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thirty three year old woman. Her name is Alyssa Bradburn.
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Speaker 2: And visually she strikes a very specific image, right, Yeah,
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she has like.
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Speaker 1: A police shaven head, and she's just sitting there utterly.
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Speaker 2: Stoic, not moving, not reacting, right.
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Speaker 1: And the judge, Julian McKay, she looks down from the
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bench and she delivers this devastating.
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Speaker 2: Sentence over twenty eight years in state prison.
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Speaker 1: Over twenty eight years. And this is for the premeditated,
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cold blooded murder of her own.
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Speaker 2: Father, which is I mean, it's the kind of moment
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where you expect to see tears, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, or anger or maybe just a hollow collapse from
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the person being condemned, just some.
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Speaker 2: Sort of human reaction to your life essentially ending exactly.
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Speaker 1: But Alyssa's reaction. She looks up, she acknowledges her attorneys,
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and she smiles.
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Speaker 2: It is an image that completely derails our fundamental understanding
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of human behavior.
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Speaker 1: It really does. It's so unsettling.
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Speaker 2: Because we are conditioned, both by society and honestly by
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our own biology to expect a certain emotional equilibrium in
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a courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Like a baseline of grief, or at least.
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Speaker 2: Fear right condemnation of that magnitude should produce despair, or
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you know, at least a visible recognition of the weight
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of the moment.
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Speaker 1: But she just smiles.
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Speaker 2: And that smile creates this profound sense of unease because
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it telegraphs to everyone in that room that the person
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sitting in that chair is simply not experiencing reality the
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same way the rest of us are.
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Speaker 1: It breaks every unspoken rule of how we expect humans
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to react to tragedy and consequence.
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Speaker 2: It shatters the social contract entirely, and.
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Speaker 1: That is exactly why we are doing this deep dive today.
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We are pulling from an extensive and deeply unsettling set
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of source.
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Speaker 2: Materials, specifically excerpts from a really meticulous piece of reporting.
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Speaker 1: Right It's titled The Smiling Killer The Premeditated Murder of
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Timothy Bradburn.
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Speaker 2: It's a tough read, but it's incredibly detailed.
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Speaker 1: It is. So today we are taking a deep dive
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into an unthinkable crime to explore a terrifying.
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Speaker 2: Question what happens when extreme premeditation collides with an unfathomable motive?
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We're going to unpack the psychology of samilicide, the
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limits of the justice system, and the chilling reality of
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a killer who actually admitted she enjoyed her own murder trial, which.
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Speaker 2: Is just I mean, it's hard to even wrap your
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head around that.
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Speaker 1: It is. Okay, let's unpack this because to really grasp
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the sheer horror of what happened in that Spokane home,
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we first have to understand the environment that was destroyed.
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Speaker 2: That is the critical starting point, I think, because when
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we hear about a child murdering a parent, particularly an
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adult child, right, yeah, an adult child, our brains immediately
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try to solve the puzzle by assuming the environment.
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Speaker 1: Must have been toxic that they had to be a reason.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, we instinctively look for a history of severe abuse
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or a broken home, you know, a literal house.
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Speaker 1: Of horrors, because that makes it easier to digest. Right.
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Speaker 2: We want there to be a monstrous origin story because
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it makes the monstrous act feel logical.
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Speaker 1: It gives us a why.
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Speaker 2: In criminology, pantricide and specifically the killing of a father
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by a daughter is a statistical anomaly. It's incredibly rare.
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Wow really, oh absolutely, and when it does occur, it
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is almost exclusively linked to either chronic, documented severe abuse.
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Speaker 1: Where they feel like they have no other way out, yes.
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Speaker 2: Or it's an acute florid psychotic break where the perpetrator
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is completely detached from reality and literally does not know
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who the victim is.
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Speaker 1: But and this is the crazy part, the Bradburn home
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in northwest Pokane was the exact opposite of a house.
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Speaker 2: Of horrors, completely the opposite.
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Speaker 1: The source material paints a picture of a remarkably close,
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deeply loving household, which.
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Speaker 2: Just makes the whole thing so much more jarring.
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Speaker 1: It does so Timothy Bradburn the father, He was sixty
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eight years old and he was a widower.
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Speaker 2: Right his wife Garland had passed away.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she died from lung cancer back in twenty nineteen.
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Speaker 2: And that is a massive, foundation shaking trauma for any
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family to go through.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, But instead of fracturing, the sources show us
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a father who poured every ounce of his remaining energy
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into supporting his two adult.
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Speaker 2: Kids, Alyssa and her older brother Trace.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, he just gave everything to them.
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Speaker 2: You see a classic psychological response from a surviving parent there.
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When a spouse dies, the surviving partner often overcompensates.
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Speaker 1: To try and fill the void.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, They try to fill the void left behind. They
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become fiercely protective of the remaining family unit.
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Speaker 1: And TRACE's descriptions of his father and the source material
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reflect exactly that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the way he talks about him is just heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: He describes his dad as an amazing man who would
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do absolute anything for his children.
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Speaker 2: And this wasn't just like abstract emotional support, No, not
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at all. There is tangible evidence of his devotion. He
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provided immense financial and logistical support to ensure his daughter
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could pursue the things that made her happy.
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Speaker 1: He actively funded her hobbies and we weren't talking about
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you know, buying a pair of running shoes or a
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gym membership.
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Speaker 2: Right, these were expensive niche pursuits.
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Speaker 1: The reporting mentions he supported Alyssa financially and pursuits like
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sword fighting.
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Speaker 2: Sword fighting, I mean that's incredibly specific.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and traveling for sports matches. It shows a father
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who isn't just passively tolerant of his adult child living
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at home.
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Speaker 2: He is actively enthusiastic about her unique interests.
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Speaker 1: He's present, he's showing up.
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Speaker 2: And Alyssa, at thirty three years old, has absolutely no criminal.
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Speaker 1: History, none, not a blip on the radar.
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Speaker 2: She lives at home, she pursues her hobbies, and she
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is fiercely protective of her dogs.
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Speaker 1: Which becomes a really dark detail later on.
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Speaker 2: It really does. But at this point this is an
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ordinary home, marked by the tragic grief of losing a mother,
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but seemingly held firmly together by a father's unconditional love.
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Speaker 1: Which is why the timeline leading up to the night
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of June twenty fifth, twenty twenty four is so deeply disturbing.
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Speaker 2: We really have to look at the psychological weight of
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the setup for that night.
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Speaker 1: So Timothy had been away at a condo he owned
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in Hawaii.
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Speaker 2: And he was returning home, arriving shortly after midnight.
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Speaker 1: But and this is so tragic. He wasn't flying back
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early just to relax.
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Speaker 2: No, he was coming home specifically to fix a leaking
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roof on the family house.
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Speaker 1: That detail is just gut wrenching.
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Speaker 2: It really hurts to read that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he is traveling at an exhausting hour coming
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off a long flight because he is a responsible homeowner
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and a responsible dad.
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Speaker 2: He wants to make sure his house.
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Speaker 1: Is safe right, and by extension, he wants to make
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sure his daughter, who is living inside it is taken
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care of.
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Speaker 2: It perfectly encapsulates the caregiver archetype he embodied. He is
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the fixer, the.
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Speaker 1: Guy who handles things exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is the one who comes back in the
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middle of the night to secure the sanctuary.
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Speaker 1: He is stepping up to the front door, acting out
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of pure parental responsibility.
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Speaker 2: Completely unaware that the sanctuary he is trying to protect
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has already been compromised from the inside.
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Speaker 1: It's like a locked room mystery, but in reverse.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good way to put it.
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Speaker 1: You know, we know exactly who is in the room.
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We know exactly who pulled the trigger.
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Speaker 2: There's no who doing it here, right.
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Speaker 1: But looking at this incredibly loving family background, the financial support,
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the lack of any prior violence or criminal record.
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Speaker 2: We are completely locked out.
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Speaker 1: Of the why exactly. There are no outward signs of
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a boiling hatred, no explosive fights reported, and that.
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Speaker 2: Absence of a why forces us to look incredibly closely
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at the how.
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Speaker 1: Because the mechanics of this crime completely rule out the
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idea of an impulsive, heat of the moment tragedy.
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Speaker 2: The source material outlines a timeline that requires us to
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really examine the immense cognitive load required to pull this off.
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Speaker 1: So let's break down that timeline. The sources reveal that
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the planning for this murder took approximately three weeks. Three weeks,
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three entire weeks of Alyssa waking up, going about her
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day in that house, knowing her father was either there
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or away in Hawaii.
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Speaker 2: And actively continuously deciding that she was going to end
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his life.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. Three weeks is an absolute eternity in the
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context of criminal premeditation.
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Speaker 2: It really is. In a legal sense, premeditation can be
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formed in the time it takes to.
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Speaker 1: Draw breath just a split second of deciding to pull
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a trigger.
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Speaker 2: Right, So three weeks demonstrates a sustained, unwavering commitment to
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a lethal.
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Speaker 1: Goal, which is so hard to comprehend.
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Speaker 2: It is important to understand what happens in the brain
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over twenty one days. That is more than enough time
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for the rational brain to intervene.
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Speaker 1: Time to cool off or wake up and think what
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am I doing exactly?
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Speaker 2: It's time for second thoughts, for empathy to kick in,
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for the basic human aversion to violence to override the plan.
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Speaker 1: But it never did.
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Speaker 2: The fact that those biological and psychological safety valves never
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engaged tells us something profound about her internal state.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't just having fleeting dark thoughts, No.
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Speaker 2: She was marinating in this plan and she was documenting it. Yeah,
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the journaling.
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Speaker 1: In the four days immediately leading up to the murder,
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she kept a detailed journal of her thoughts and her preparations.
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Speaker 2: And she didn't hide it or burn it.
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Speaker 1: No, she deliberately left it out in the open for
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the police to.
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Speaker 2: Find later, which is so strange.
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Speaker 1: But the physical preparation is where the reality of her
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mindset really comes into focus, because she didn't just write
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about it.
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Speaker 2: She took physical, real world steps.
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Speaker 1: She practiced aiming the gun inside the walls of their.
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Speaker 2: Home, finding the site lines, figuring out angles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and she even took the time to go to
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a local gun.
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Speaker 2: Range to seek professional help.
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Speaker 1: Right, because she needed to learn how to load the
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firearms she intended to use.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the absolute clarity of her executive functioning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, explain that because she claimed mental illness later. Right.
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Speaker 2: Well, when we talk about someone having a psychotic break,
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their actions are usually disorganized.
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Speaker 1: Like chaotic and confused.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, the logic is entirely internal and fractured. It doesn't
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make sense to an outside observer.
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Speaker 1: But Alyssa's logic here makes perfect, terrifying sense.
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Speaker 2: Her logic is external and ruthlessly practical. Going to a
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gun range to learn how to load a weapon indicates
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that she recognized a gap in her own knowledge.
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Speaker 1: She realized she didn't know how to efficiently operate the
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tools she had chosen.
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Speaker 2: For the murder, so she rationally, calmly sought out expert
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instruction to correct that gap.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: That requires a high level of organization and situational awareness.
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It is not the behavior of someone lost in a fantasy.
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Speaker 1: I mean, think about the pure dissonance of that moment.
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You are standing at a gun range, You're wearing ear protection,
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You're nodding along as an instructor shows you how to chamber.
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Speaker 2: Around looking completely normal to everyone around you.
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Speaker 1: Knowing the entire time that you are acquiring this skills,
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specifically to murder your father, the.
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Speaker 2: Father who is currently paying for your life.
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Speaker 1: It's sickening. And that level of detachment carries right over
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to the night of June twenty.
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Speaker 2: Fifth, the night he comes home.
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Speaker 1: Timothy is on his way home from the airport. Alyssa
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knows he is coming, and she begins prepping the scene
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with terrifying precision.
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Speaker 2: We see that practical methodical logic applied directly to the environment.
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Speaker 1: She takes her beloved dogs, and the sources emphasize she
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is fiercely protective of these dogs and she actively locks
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them away in the laundry.
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Speaker 2: Room, which again shows incredible foresight.
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Speaker 1: When she is asked later why she did this, her
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answer is chilling.
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Speaker 2: What does she say?
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Speaker 1: She admitted she didn't want the loud gun blasts to
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hurt their ears unbelievable, and she didn't want the dogs
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to run out and contaminate the crime scene.
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Speaker 2: That detail requires deep psychological unpacking, it really does.
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Speaker 1: It's so bizarre.
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Speaker 2: Because she is displaying profound empathy and protective instincts for
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her dog's auditory comfort right cares about the dog's ears
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while simultaneously preparing to execute her father in the next room.
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Speaker 1: It's a total disconnect.
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Speaker 2: Furthermore, she is actively worrying about forensic contamination before the
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crime has even occurred.
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Speaker 1: She's thinking like a CSI investigator.
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Speaker 2: She is anticipating the arrival of investigators. That shows a
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crystal clear awareness of the legal, investigative, and physical consequences
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of what she is about to do.
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Speaker 1: And her hyperfixation on the physical environment didn't stop with
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the dogs.
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Speaker 2: What else does she do.
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Speaker 1: Before her father arrives. She physically outfits herself.
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Speaker 2: For a murder, outfits herself like gear.
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Speaker 1: Yes, she puts on safety glasses and earplugs.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: She creates this sterile sensory deprivation bubble for herself.
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Speaker 2: To protect her own eyes from gunpowder residents.
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Speaker 1: Exactly, and her own ears for the noise of the weapon.
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And then she just waits in the dark. The sources
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suggest she was likely watching through a window or simply
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waiting for the distinct sound of the uber pulling up
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to drop them off.
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Speaker 2: She has essentially turned her childhood home into a tactical
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ambush point.
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Speaker 1: It's a kill zone. So Timothy walks up to his
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own front door. He has his suitcase, probably exhausted. He
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unlocks the door and walks in, and the reporting notes
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a deeply tragic detail here. He was apparently concerned about
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Alyssa the moment he walked in, because earlier she had
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lied to him, telling him she was sick.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that is so manipulative.
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Speaker 1: He's rushing into check on her.
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Speaker 2: He's operating entirely within the framework of a concerned parent.
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Speaker 1: He just wants to help his daughter.
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Speaker 2: He steps through the door with a caregiving mindset. He
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is looking for a daughter who needs looking after, and
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instead he walks into a fiddle funnel.
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Speaker 1: Before he even has a chance to set his suitcase
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down on the floor, she opens fire.
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Speaker 2: Just immediately.
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Speaker 1: She shoots him four times, two shots to the chest,
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one to the arm, and one to the forehead.
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Speaker 2: That is incredibly precise shooting for a novice.
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Speaker 1: When later asked why she fired so many times, her
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stated reason was simply to make absolutely sure he was dead.
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Speaker 2: The shot plays is critical here, chest.
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Speaker 1: And head standard tactical targeting. Right.
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Speaker 2: This points directly back to her practicing aiming inside the
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house and her time at the gun range.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't an accident.
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Speaker 2: This was not wild panicked firing in the dark. It
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was targeted lethal intent.
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Speaker 1: She wanted him dead immediately.
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Speaker 2: The goal was immediate termination of life, executed with the
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stills she deliberately went out and acquired.
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Speaker 1: Later on, during the legal proceedings, her defense team would
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lean heavily into the idea that Alyssa was neuro divergent
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and mentally ill.
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Speaker 2: Right, that was their main strategy.
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Speaker 1: They argue that she suffered from a condition where she
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fundamentally blurred fantasy and reality.
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Speaker 2: Like a dissociative state.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but reading through these sources, I keep getting stuck
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on that argument.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't hold up, does it.
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Speaker 1: No, If her primary issue is an inability to distinguish
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between a fantasy world and the real world, how on
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earth do we explain this intense, granular hyperfixation on the
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physical realities of acoustics, eye protection, and forensic contamination.
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Speaker 2: You really can't explain it through the lens of pure delusion.
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Speaker 1: She treated this murder like a sterile, step by step
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DIY home improvement project.
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Speaker 2: And that is the exact friction point forensic psychologists look
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for when evaluating claims of a break from reality.
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Speaker 1: Because reality was so present for her.
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Speaker 2: If someone is truly lost in a delusion, if they
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genuinely believe they are fighting a literal demon or that
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they are in a dream, their interaction with the physical
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world is usually disjointed.
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Speaker 1: They act chaotically.
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Speaker 2: They don't typically pause to consider the decibel level of
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a firearm and how it might affect the ear drums
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of the family pets.
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Speaker 1: Right or putting on safety glasses, the.
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Speaker 2: Safety glasses, the ear plugs, the isolation of the dog.
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These actions are hyper anchored in the physical physics of
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discharging a firearm in a confined space.
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Speaker 1: They demonstrate a person who is acutely aware of the
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reality they are operating in.
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Speaker 2: They show intense presence of mind.
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Speaker 1: And that acute awareness of reality continues immediately after the
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echoes of the gunshots.
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Speaker 2: Fade because of what she does next.
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Speaker 1: She has just shot her father four times. He is
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dead in the entryway of their home. Most people even
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hardened criminals would experience a massive adrenaline.
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Speaker 2: Dump here, panic, a desire to run.
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Speaker 1: A desperate attempt to clean up the scene hide the gun.
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But Alyssa doesn't run, not at all. Shortly before midnight,
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she simply picks up the phone and dials nine to
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one one herself.
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Speaker 2: The nine to one one call represents a bizarre pivot.
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Speaker 1: It's a total shift in behavior.
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Speaker 2: She transitions immediately from the role of an unseen, meticulous
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predator to someone actively inviting the authorities to view her work.
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Speaker 1: She gets on the phone with a dispatcher and calmly confesses.
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Speaker 2: Just I shot my dad.
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Speaker 1: She provides the exact location of the body in the entryway,
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and then she casually informs the dispatcher that she is
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going to step outside and wait on the front porch
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for the police to arrive.
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Speaker 2: Like she's waiting for a pizza delivery.
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Speaker 1: When the Spokane police pull up to this quiet neighborhood,
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they find exactly what she promised.
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Speaker 2: She's just sitting there.
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Speaker 1: She is waiting there, entirely cooperative. She hasn't forced them
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to kick down the door or search the premises for
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a hidden weapon.
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Speaker 2: She doesn't make them work for it.
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Speaker 1: No, she hands over the gun, She hands over her
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cell phone. She hands over the journal, the one she
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deliberately left out, exactly explicitly guiding them by saying, my
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journal has my confession and everything in it.
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Speaker 2: It is the complete antithesis of a typical criminal response.
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Speaker 1: It really is.
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Speaker 2: The instinct for self preservation usually dictates evasion, denial, or
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the destruction of evidence.
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Speaker 1: You want to get away with it.
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Speaker 2: Alyssa, however, acts as her own archivist.
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Speaker 1: Wow, her own archivist. That's exactly it.
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Speaker 2: She is curating the arrest experience for the officers, providing
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them with a perfectly wrapped evidentiary package.
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Speaker 1: Like a gift wrapped crime scene.
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Speaker 2: It suggests that the completion of the murder wasn't the
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final step of her plan. Being caught and processed was
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also part of the design.
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Speaker 1: But the evidentiary package she handed over contains some thing
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deeply strange.
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Speaker 2: The phone book.
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Speaker 1: Yes, alongside the confession journal, the phone, and the murder weapon,
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she also handed the police a physical book containing phone
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numbers for doctors and therapists, which feels so out of
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place at first glance, it seems completely random. But if
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she gets into the interrogation room. The narrative she is
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trying to build with that phone book starts to reveal itself.
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Speaker 2: She was setting the stage for a defense.
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Speaker 1: During her interrogation, she is detailing the physical act of
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the murder with an absolute lack.
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Speaker 2: Of hesitation, being very clinical about it.
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Speaker 1: She literally tells detective I was gonna shoo him in
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the front room, I put your plugs in, And it's
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kind of the gist of it.
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Speaker 2: But the gist of it just so casual.
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Speaker 1: But then she suddenly introduces a massive horrific motive.
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Speaker 2: She pivots to claiming self defense.
18:46
Speaker 1: But it's not normal self defense.
18:48
Speaker 2: Crucially, she doesn't claim immediate physical self defense. She didn't
18:54
argue that he lunged at her when he walked through
18:56
the door, right, she.
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Speaker 1: Shot him before he even put his back down.
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Speaker 2: Instead, she reached deep into the past and constructed an
19:03
elaborate history of extreme abuse to justify her actions.
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Speaker 1: And the claims she made were horrific for a severe
19:11
She told the detectives that her father had beaten her.
19:15
She claimed he had beaten the dogs.
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Speaker 2: Which plays into her protecting them.
19:19
Speaker 1: Right. She said he had shot the dogs with a
19:21
BB gun and most severely, she claimed that he had
19:25
raped her when she was a baby, and that these
19:27
were repressed memories she had just recently recovered.
19:30
Speaker 2: Right. That is a staggering accusation.
19:32
Speaker 1: She told the police that she had been living in
19:34
such fear that she was sleeping with a gun and
19:36
her dogs in her bed for protection.
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Speaker 2: These are incredibly severe, highly specific allegations, and in the
19:42
immediate aftermath of a family homicide, investigators are obligated to
19:46
take allegations of this nature very seriously.
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Speaker 1: They have to investigate it.
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Speaker 2: As we discussed earlier, severe chronic abuse is this standard
19:54
criminological framework that explains why an adult child might murder
19:58
a parent.
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Speaker 1: It's the only that usually makes sense.
20:01
Speaker 2: If these allegations were true, they would instantly provide the
20:05
why that was missing from the picture.
20:06
Speaker 1: They would explain everything.
20:08
Speaker 2: They would transform the narrative from a cold blooded execution
20:11
into a desperate, albeit extreme act of long term self preservation.
20:16
Speaker 1: But the investigators did their jobs.
20:19
Speaker 2: They dug into it.
20:20
Speaker 1: They dug deep into the family history. They looked for
20:22
medical records, they interviewed people. They searched for any corroborating
20:27
evidence of a babe gun being used on the dogs
20:30
or any signs of physical abuse.
20:31
Speaker 2: And what did they find?
20:32
Speaker 1: They found absolute zero, nothing, no evidence whatsoever. Timothy Bradburn
20:37
had never done any of these things. But the most
20:40
revealing part of this isn't just that the police found
20:42
no evidence.
20:43
Speaker 2: It's that she knew it was a lie.
20:45
Speaker 1: It's that Alyssa knew there was no evidence, because by
20:48
the end of the trial she completely involuntarily withdrew all
20:52
of those claims.
20:53
Speaker 2: She just dropped the whole defense.
20:55
Speaker 1: She abandoned the entire abuse narrative she had so carefully
20:59
introduced with that phone book and those interviews.
21:02
Speaker 2: The timing of her retraction is the key to understanding
21:05
why she invented the lies in.
21:06
Speaker 1: The first place, because it wasn't just random no.
21:09
Speaker 2: The source material notes that she withdrew the claims entirely
21:12
only after her older brother Trace took the stand to testify.
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Speaker 1: That moment must have been incredible in court.
21:19
Speaker 2: After sitting in the courtroom and hearing her brother fiercely
21:22
defend their murdered father's character, Alyssa stood up and told
21:26
the court, I didn't need to defend myself.
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Speaker 1: It's staggering. It reminds me of child making up an elaborate,
21:32
physically impossible lie to avoid getting in trouble. You know,
21:36
a monster broke the lamp.
21:38
Speaker 2: Not me, right, a very immature defense mechanism.
21:40
Speaker 1: But in this case, the lie is my father was
21:42
a monster. And then just as suddenly, the child pivots
21:47
and actively demands the punishment.
21:49
Speaker 2: It's a complete one to eighty.
21:50
Speaker 1: Why would someone invent such a horrific, complex history of
21:53
abuse only to completely abandon the story when it's time
21:56
to actually defend herself.
21:58
Speaker 2: We are looking at the concept of a phantom motive.
22:01
Speaker 1: A phantom motive. Yes.
22:02
Speaker 2: In psychology we study why people construct elaborate false narratives.
22:07
Often it is purely about self preservation, a panicked, disorganized
22:12
attempt to avoid going to prison.
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Speaker 1: They just don't want to get caught.
22:15
Speaker 2: But Alyssa's rapid, almost casual abandonment of the lie suggests
22:20
a completely different mechanism.
22:23
Speaker 1: So what was it doing for her?
22:25
Speaker 2: It suggests that the abuse narrative was an internal script
22:28
she wrote for herself during those three weeks of planning.
22:31
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so she needed it to go through with it.
22:33
Speaker 2: In order to carry out the murder of a father
22:35
who supported her. She needed to create a cognitive bypass.
22:39
Speaker 1: She had to convince herself he was evil.
22:40
Speaker 2: She needed to internally cast him as a monster so
22:43
she could comfortably step into the role of the righteous executioner.
22:46
Speaker 1: That is so dark.
22:48
Speaker 2: But once the reality of her actions set in, once
22:50
the tension of the planning was over, and perhaps once
22:53
she was confronted with the devastating reality of her brother's
22:56
grief on the witness stand, the script simply lost its utility.
23:00
Speaker 1: She didn't need to lie anymore.
23:01
Speaker 2: She no longer needed the internal justification because her mind
23:04
had found a new, more compelling fixation to focus on,
23:08
which was the trial itself, exactly the theatricality of her
23:11
own trial.
23:12
Speaker 1: But the damage of that temporary script was already done.
23:15
We have to acknowledge the immense cruelty this inflicted on
23:18
her brother.
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Speaker 2: Trace his suffering in this is just profound.
23:22
Speaker 1: He didn't just lose his father to an act of sudden,
23:25
shocking violence. For the nearly two years leading up to
23:28
the trial, he had to sit back and listen to
23:30
his father's name be dragged through the mud with these vile,
23:34
fabricated allegations.
23:36
Speaker 2: It's a secondary form of abuse.
23:37
Speaker 1: He had to endure seeing his dad's memory tarnished in
23:40
the public eye, all because his sister needed a temporary
23:44
psychological prop to justify her own actions.
23:47
Speaker 2: It is a devastating secondary victimization. Trace is forced into
23:51
a dual role.
23:52
Speaker 1: He has to be a mourner and a defender.
23:54
Speaker 2: He is mourning the violent loss of his father while
23:56
simultaneously being forced to act as the defense attorney for
23:59
his father's reputation against his own sisters lies.
24:03
Speaker 1: The emotional toll of that is just incalculable.
24:06
Speaker 2: It really is. It's a burden no one should have
24:08
to carry.
24:08
Speaker 1: Which brings us to the courtroom spectacle itself. The trial
24:12
took place from February twenty fifth through March fourth, twenty twenty.
24:17
Speaker 2: Six, and this is really where the psychology of this
24:19
case gets fully exposed.
24:21
Speaker 1: This is where Alyssa's true, deeply unsettling demeanor takes center stage.
24:27
The prosecution, led by Deputy Prosecuting Attorney Emily Sullivan, lays
24:31
out what can only be described as a mountain of
24:35
overwhelming evidence.
24:36
Speaker 2: They had everything they needed.
24:37
Speaker 1: They present the journal, the testimony from the instructor at
24:40
the gun range, the forensic evidence of the scene, the
24:43
nine to one to one call.
24:44
Speaker 2: It's an air tight case.
24:46
Speaker 1: Sullivan methodically hammered home the extreme and elaborate degree of
24:50
planning involved.
24:51
Speaker 2: From an evidentiary standpoint, the prosecution had a relatively straightforward.
24:55
Speaker 1: Task because Alyssa gave them everything.
24:57
Speaker 2: Alyssa had meticulously provided them with almost everything they needed
25:01
to secure a conviction.
25:02
Speaker 1: So what was the hard part?
25:04
Speaker 2: The primary challenge in that courtroom wasn't proving the sequence
25:06
of events. The challenge was managing the surreal, highly uncomfortable
25:11
atmosphere created by the defendant's behavior.
25:14
Speaker 1: Because when Alyssa takes the stand to testify, Observer's note,
25:18
her demeanor is incredibly bizarre.
25:21
Speaker 2: She is just not acting like a defendant on trial
25:23
for murder.
25:24
Speaker 1: She is stoic, but she is frequently smiling, and she
25:28
isn't looking down at her hands or staring blankly at.
25:31
Speaker 2: The wall, which is what you normally see.
25:33
Speaker 1: She is looking directly at the jury, engaging them. The
25:35
sources provide the exact quote of what she said on
25:38
the stand, and I want to deconstruct it because it
25:40
is truly mind bending.
25:42
Speaker 2: It's a very revealing statement.
25:44
Speaker 1: She looks at the jury, smiles and says I killed
25:47
Tim Bradburn, and I am guilty. I'm not afraid anymore.
25:51
I'm okay with going to prison for however long. I
25:54
just wanted to own this and take ownership, and that's
25:57
part of the reason for this trial as a whole.
25:59
I didn't like the idea of just taking a plea
26:01
and slinking off. That didn't feel fair to everyone involved.
26:04
Speaker 2: Let's break down the psychological dissonance packed into those few sentences.
26:07
Speaker 1: Yes, please do.
26:08
Speaker 2: She starts with I'm not afraid anymore. We have to
26:11
ask afraid of?
26:12
Speaker 1: What was she referring to the phantom abuse she had
26:14
already admitted was a lie.
26:16
Speaker 2: Or is she revealing that she was afraid of the
26:18
act of murder itself, and now that the intense three
26:22
week pressure cooker of the planning phase is over, she
26:25
is experiencing a twisted sense.
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Speaker 1: Of relief, like a release of tension exactly.
26:29
Speaker 2: Then she transitions to taking ownership.
26:32
Speaker 1: Like she's the hero of the story.
26:33
Speaker 2: She takes a brutal, meticulously planned ambush and attempts to
26:37
reframe it as an act of personal nobility.
26:40
Speaker 1: Yes, she frames her demands for a trial as an
26:42
act of moral.
26:43
Speaker 2: Courage, which is just absurd.
26:45
Speaker 1: She says that quietly taking a plea deal and going
26:48
to prison wouldn't feel fair to everyone involved.
26:53
Speaker 2: Fair She used the word fair.
26:54
Speaker 1: I have to push back hard on her definition of
26:57
fairness here.
26:57
Speaker 2: It's incredibly warped.
26:59
Speaker 1: Is demanding a full public trial where all the gruesome
27:02
details are laid bare actually in active fairness and respect
27:06
for the justice system?
27:07
Speaker 2: Obviously not?
27:08
Speaker 1: Or is it just her forcing her grieving brother, the jury,
27:12
the judge, and the entire community to sit captive and
27:16
watch her perform her own bizarre accountability ritual.
27:19
Speaker 2: I believe it is entirely the latter. It demonstrates a
27:23
profound lack of empathy disguised as a moral stand.
27:26
Speaker 1: It's incredibly selfish.
27:28
Speaker 2: A plea deal would have spared the taxpayers the expense
27:31
of a trial, but more importantly, it would have spared
27:34
her brother the fresh trauma of having to testify and
27:37
relive the worst day of his life.
27:39
Speaker 1: He had to sit there and listen to everything again.
27:42
Speaker 2: It would have spared the community from hearing the graphic,
27:44
forensic details. But a plea deal happens quietly, and a
27:48
brief hearing behind closed doors.
27:50
Speaker 1: There's no audience.
27:51
Speaker 2: A trial provides a stage. Alyssa didn't seem to want
27:54
quite accountability. She wanted an audience for her confession.
27:57
Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting. The prosecutors later
28:01
summarized her testimony, and they included a detail that just
28:04
stops you in your tracks.
28:05
Speaker 2: It really is the defining detail of the case.
28:07
Speaker 1: She openly admitted to them that she quote enjoyed the
28:10
trial experience.
28:11
Speaker 2: That admission is the master key that unlocks her entire
28:15
courtroom demeanor.
28:16
Speaker 1: Why did she enjoy it?
28:18
Speaker 2: In psychiatry, there is a concept known as inappropriate effect
28:22
inappropriate affect, This occurs when a person's outward emotional display
28:27
completely contradicts the reality of their situation or the content
28:32
of their speech.
28:32
Speaker 1: Like laughing at a funeral.
28:34
Speaker 2: Right smiling warmly while graphically describing the premeditated murder of
28:38
your father is the textbook definition of inappropriate effect.
28:42
Speaker 1: It's unsettling.
28:43
Speaker 2: But when she takes it a step further and admits
28:45
she actually enjoyed the trial, it shifts the analysis.
28:49
Speaker 1: It becomes something else.
28:50
Speaker 2: It moves from merely an inappropriate emotional response to something
28:54
deeply narcissistic.
28:55
Speaker 1: She is the absolute center of attention in that room exactly.
28:59
Speaker 2: Think about the environ of a murder trial.
29:01
Speaker 1: Everyone is watching her.
29:02
Speaker 2: Every lawyer, the judge, the bailiffs, the jury, the media
29:05
reporters in the gallery. Every single person in that room
29:09
is focused entirely on her actions, her mindset, her ultimate fate.
29:13
Speaker 1: She's the main character.
29:14
Speaker 2: For someone whose internal life might have felt disordered, chaotic,
29:17
or perhaps just insignificant, the hyper structured, hyper focused environment
29:22
of a superior court trial might have felt incredibly validating.
29:26
Speaker 1: It's as if she viewed the legal system not as
29:29
a mechanism for societal justice, but as a twisted, incredibly
29:34
expensive form of public therapy where she got to be
29:38
the star patient.
29:39
Speaker 2: That's a very accurate way to frame it. The courtroom
29:42
provided a rigid framework of rules, procedures, and ultimate consequences
29:46
that perhaps her mind craved, It gave her order. But
29:49
it is vital to recognize that this validation was extracted
29:53
entirely at the emotional expense of everyone else.
29:56
Speaker 1: In that room, most notably her brother.
29:57
Speaker 2: Yes, Trace wore the brunt of that cost.
30:00
Speaker 1: Which moves us into the final legal reckoning of this tragedy.
30:03
The sentencing hearing on April second.
30:05
Speaker 2: This is where the rubber meets the road.
30:07
Speaker 1: This is where the legal system has to determine what
30:09
a society actually does with someone whose actions and reactions
30:12
defied normal human empathy.
30:14
Speaker 2: The judge has to make a ruling.
30:16
Speaker 1: Trace Bradburn was given the opportunity to deliver a victim
30:19
impact statement. He stood before the court and delivered a
30:23
heartbreaking summation of his reality.
30:25
Speaker 2: His words were so powerful.
30:27
Speaker 1: He said, I just have to live my life with that,
30:30
and it just guts me every day.
30:32
Speaker 2: He guts me every day.
30:33
Speaker 1: And even in his darkest moment, he took the time
30:36
to publicly defend his father's untarnished legacy.
30:39
Speaker 2: He had to do it one last time.
30:40
Speaker 1: Pushing back against the false accusations, ensuring the public record
30:44
reflected that his dad never did anything to hurt anyone.
30:46
Speaker 2: Trace represents the profound collateral damage of Alyssa's entire performance.
30:51
Speaker 1: He is the real victim here.
30:53
Speaker 2: He is the anchor to reality. In a courtroom that
30:55
Alyssa was actively trying to turn into her own personal.
30:59
Speaker 1: Theater was the only real thing in the room.
31:01
Speaker 2: His grief is raw, it is real, and it is
31:04
a burden he will carry for the rest of his life.
31:07
Speaker 1: The legal arguments presented regarding her sentence offered a really
31:10
stark contrast in how we view culpability.
31:13
Speaker 2: The two sides were very far apart.
31:15
Speaker 1: The state prosecutors recommended roughly thirty two.
31:19
Speaker 2: Years, a very heavy scent.
31:20
Speaker 1: The defense attorney, Brian Raymond, asked for the absolute low
31:24
end of the sentencing guidelines, which worked out to about
31:26
twenty five years, based on what his argument for leniency,
31:30
hinged entirely on the psychological component. He argued that Alyssa
31:34
is mentally ill, that she is neurodivergent, and that she
31:39
suffers from a condition where she blurs fantasy with reality.
31:42
Speaker 2: The defense is trying to thread an incredibly difficult legal
31:46
needle in that moment.
31:47
Speaker 1: Because they can't claim insanity.
31:49
Speaker 2: It is important to clarify that they are not arguing
31:51
legal insanity. To meet the standard for legal insanity, the
31:54
defense would have to prove she literally did not know
31:57
right from wrong at the time of the crime.
32:00
Speaker 1: Which she obviously did.
32:01
Speaker 2: Her actions locking away the dogs, wearing safety glasses, calling
32:05
nine to one one to report a crime prof she
32:07
absolute knew what she was doing was a recognized wrong.
32:10
Speaker 1: She knew it was a crime.
32:11
Speaker 2: Instead the defenses arguing a concept closer to diminished capacity
32:15
as a mitigating.
32:16
Speaker 1: Factor, hoping for a lighter sentence.
32:18
Speaker 2: They are asking the judge to look at the totality
32:21
of her bizarre behavior, the phantom motives, the smiling, the
32:25
inappropriate effect, and interpret those as symptoms of a profound
32:30
sickness rather than evidence of pure malice.
32:33
Speaker 1: They are arguing that her broken mind warrants a lighter sentence.
32:38
Speaker 2: But Judge Julie McKay did not buy the argument that
32:40
these factors warranted leniency.
32:42
Speaker 1: No, she didn't. She looked at the facts and delivered
32:45
a mid range sentence.
32:46
Speaker 2: The math on that is quite specific.
32:49
Speaker 1: The math broke down to two hundred and eighty months
32:51
as a base, plus a mandatory sixty month enhancement because
32:55
a firearm was used in the commission of the crime,
32:58
so that adds up to that totals three hundred four
33:00
forty months, which is twenty eight years and four months
33:02
in state prison.
33:03
Speaker 2: A significant amount of time.
33:05
Speaker 1: This was coupled with three years of community custody and crucially,
33:09
a lifetime no contact order prohibiting her from ever reaching
33:13
out to Trace.
33:14
Speaker 2: Which is absolutely necessary for his safety.
33:16
Speaker 1: As the sentence was handed down, Alyssa was given the opportunity.
33:19
Speaker 2: For allocution right The final word, for.
33:21
Speaker 1: Those unfamiliar with the term allocution, is that final moment
33:25
right before the judge finalizes the sentence, where the defendant
33:28
has the absolute right to speak directly to the court.
33:31
Speaker 2: It's the traditional moment for an apology, an explanation, or
33:34
a plea for mercy.
33:35
Speaker 1: But Alissa completely declined her right to speak.
33:38
Speaker 2: She said nothing.
33:39
Speaker 1: She just sat there and she smiled.
33:41
Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, Judge McKay's
33:44
ruling is a fascinating demonstration of the strict boundaries of
33:48
the justice system. How So, the judge acknowledged the profound
33:52
pain of the surviving family, but she effectively ruled that
33:56
mental health struggles, especially unproven diagnoses, are not a mitigating factor.
34:01
When a crime is this meticulously ruthlessly calculated.
34:05
Speaker 1: The planning outweighed this strange behavior.
34:07
Speaker 2: The legal system requires proof of intent to secure a
34:10
murder conviction. Alyssa demonstrated overwhelming, undeniable intent through her three
34:15
weeks of planning.
34:16
Speaker 1: The law doesn't care if her reasons were weird.
34:19
Speaker 2: The law does not require the motive to make sense
34:21
to a rational person, it only requires that the intent
34:24
to kill was formed and acted upon.
34:26
Speaker 1: It raises a massive philosophical question for me regarding the
34:30
actual utility of our prison system.
34:32
Speaker 2: It really tests our theories of punishment.
34:35
Speaker 1: We generally send people to prison for a few specific reasons,
34:39
to deter others from committing the crime, to rehabilitate the offender,
34:43
or simply to punish them for their actions.
34:45
Speaker 2: Those are the core pillars.
34:47
Speaker 1: But if the person receiving a twenty eight year sentence
34:49
is completely unafraid, declines to apologize, and actively welcomes the
34:54
confinement with a smile, does it even function as a punishment.
34:58
Speaker 2: It is a profound dilemma. From a purely psychological standpoint,
35:02
a highly structured prison environment might actually be the exact
35:06
setting Alissa's mind was.
35:07
Speaker 1: Seeking, because she liked the structure of the trial exactly.
35:11
Speaker 2: Prison is a world where all complex choices are removed,
35:14
daily routines are strictly enforced, and the nuanced social maneuvering
35:18
of the outside world is eliminated.
35:20
Speaker 1: She might actually thrive there.
35:22
Speaker 2: She may find it comforting. However, from a legal and
35:25
societal standpoint, the ultimate purpose of the sentence isn't solely
35:29
dependent on making the offender suffle emotionally.
35:31
Speaker 1: It's about protecting us.
35:33
Speaker 2: The primary function here is incapacitation. The state is removing
35:37
a demonstrably dangerous element from the community, whether she likes
35:41
it or not, whether she enjoys the confines of the
35:43
cage or not, she is secured within it. She cannot
35:47
meticulously plan an ambush against anyone else.
35:50
Speaker 1: The sentence provides a definitive mathematical closure for the safety
35:54
of society.
35:55
Speaker 2: Even if it provides absolutely zero emotional closure for those
35:58
involved and.
35:59
Speaker 1: The emotional coal is truly non existent. This case leaves
36:02
behind a massive lingering void, not just for the Bradburn family,
36:07
but for society at large.
36:09
Speaker 2: The public reaction was huge.
36:10
Speaker 1: The media fascination with this specific case was incredibly intense.
36:15
The sources lists coverage spanning from local outlets like The
36:17
Spokesman Review to national platforms like People Magazine, the Oxygen Network,
36:22
Fox News, and Law and Crime.
36:25
Speaker 2: It was everywhere.
36:26
Speaker 1: Alyssa became internationally known by the moniker the smiling killer.
36:29
She became a cultural symbol of chilling, unfathomable detachment.
36:34
Speaker 2: We are collectively drawn to cases like this because they
36:36
terrify us on an existential level.
36:38
Speaker 1: It's a primal nerve.
36:39
Speaker 2: As human beings, we have a desperate, ingrained need to
36:42
uncover a y. When a tragedy.
36:45
Speaker 1: Occurs, we want a need explanation.
36:47
Speaker 2: We can process a murder over money, over a jealous rage,
36:51
or over a drug deal gone wrong. We certainly don't
36:55
like it, but we understand the underlying mechanics of human
36:58
greed or anger.
36:59
Speaker 1: We can map it out.
37:00
Speaker 2: But when the motive remains permanently locked inside an impenetrable mind,
37:04
and the only outward expression of that mind is a smile,
37:08
it creates a unique kind of societal anxiety.
37:11
Speaker 1: It makes us feel unsafe.
37:13
Speaker 2: It forces us to recognize the terrifying limits of our
37:15
own understanding. We are looking into an abyss that refuses
37:19
to explain itself.
37:20
Speaker 1: And while the national media obsesses over the psychology of
37:23
the smiling killer, the private reality left in her wake
37:26
is so much sadder and quieter.
37:28
Speaker 2: The family is just left in ruins.
37:30
Speaker 1: Timothy Bradburne's memory is honored privately by those who actually
37:34
knew him, with digital tributes on sites like gunmemorial dot org,
37:38
remembering a devoted father who has simply taken too.
37:40
Speaker 2: Soon, just a good man who loved his kids, and Trace.
37:43
Speaker 1: Is left carrying an unimaginable burden. He is grieving his father,
37:48
and thanks to the necessary legal protection of the lifetime
37:52
no contact order, he is permanently legally severed from his
37:56
only sister.
37:57
Speaker 2: It's a double lot.
37:58
Speaker 1: In the span of one night, his entire immediate family
38:02
was erased.
38:02
Speaker 2: That no contact order is the state's legal codification of
38:06
a completely shattered family.
38:07
Speaker 1: It makes the break official.
38:09
Speaker 2: It is a formal acknowledgment that the fundamental sibling bond
38:12
has been irreparably weaponized and it must be permanently severed
38:16
by the authority of the state to ensure Traces ongoing
38:19
psychological safety.
38:20
Speaker 1: And beyond the immediate family, our sources highlight the broader
38:23
societal puzzles this case exposes.
38:26
Speaker 2: It touches on some very difficult themes.
38:28
Speaker 1: It brings up the incredibly complex dynamics of adult children
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living with aging parents while harboring unresolved mental health.
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Speaker 2: Issues, which is a reality for many families.
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Speaker 1: Timothy was doing what any loving father would do. He
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was trying to support his daughter. But at what invisible
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line does parental support transition into proximity to extreme danger.
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Speaker 2: That is the impossible question.
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Speaker 1: How is a parent supposed to intervene when the threat
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isn't obvious, when there is no history of violence and
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the deterioration is hidden behind closed doors in quiet death
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daily routine.
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Speaker 2: That is the ultimate unsolvable tragedy of familicide. In these circumstances,
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because you can't see it coming, the ingrained parental instinct
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is always to protect the child, to bring them closer,
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to fix the leaking roof over their head, to ensure
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they are safe.
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Speaker 1: You want to nurture them.
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Speaker 2: But when the child's mind is silently organizing towards violence
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and secret, that very proximity, that loving closeness becomes fatal.
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Speaker 1: The closeness is what gets them killed.
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Speaker 2: There are rarely early warning systems or red flags for
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a meticulously planned ambush executed by someone who has never
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been violent a day in their life.
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Speaker 1: I want you to think about why cases like this
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grip us so deeply.
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Speaker 2: It's very profound.
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Speaker 1: It grips us because it shatters the most fundamental social
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contract we operate under as humans.
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Speaker 2: The safety of a home.
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Speaker 1: We navigate the world on the baseline assumption that the
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people who love us, the people who raised us, and
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the people we support financially and emotionally are inherently safe.
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Speaker 2: We drop our defenses with them, let our.
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Speaker 1: Guard down in our homes. Alyssa took that ultimate safe space,
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weaponized her father's love, and turned their home into an
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ambush zone. So what does this all mean?
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Speaker 2: It means that the justice system, for all its complex rules, guidelines,
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and procedures, is fundamentally a blunt instrument.
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Speaker 1: It can only do so much.
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Speaker 2: It has the capacity to calculate that twenty eight years
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and four months is the appropriate mathematical response for a
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life taken.
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Speaker 1: It does the math.
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Speaker 2: It has the physical power to lock away the dangerous person,
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but it completely lacks the capacity to diagnose the soul.
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Speaker 1: That's a powerful way to say it.
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Speaker 2: It cannot explain how a daughter looks at a father
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who gave her absolutely everything, calmly locks away the dogs
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she loves, puts on safety glasses, and pulls a trigger
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four times.
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Speaker 1: To quickly summarize the profound tragedy we've explored today, Timothy
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Bradburn was a devoted father who returned home from a
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trip simply expecting to fix a leaking roofs, and spend
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time with his daughter in the home he provided.
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Speaker 2: Just a normal night.
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Speaker 1: Instead, he walked blindly into a meticulously planned execution. His daughter, Alyssa,
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spent three silent weeks plotting his death, documented her preparations,
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pulled the trigger, calmly called the police, and then smiled
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her way through criminal trials. She later admitted she enjoyed.
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Speaker 2: The entire sequence is just devastating.
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Speaker 1: The judge delivered a mathematical answer of three hundred and
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forty months, but the emotional math for Trace Bradburn and
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for anyone trying to logically understand how this could happen,
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will never ever add.
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Speaker 2: Up, Which leaves us with one final haunting reflection to
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take away from this deep dive. What is that this
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specific case forces every single one of us to confront
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a terrifying reality about the difference between proximity and true knowledge.
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Speaker 1: Meaning just because someone is close doesn't mean you know them.
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Speaker 2: We navigate our daily lives operating on the assumption that
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sharing a home, sharing a lifetime of memories, and sharing
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DNA means we actually.
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Speaker 1: Know someone pressed that bond.
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Speaker 2: We inherently believe that visibility equals transparency. But Alyssa Bradburn
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proved that sometimes the person sitting across the dinner table
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from you, or the person sleeping just down the hall,
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can be living in an entirely different, unreachable, and lethal reality.
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Speaker 1: It's a terrifying thought.
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Speaker 2: It leads you with an unsettling question, how well do
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we ever really know the minds of the people sitting
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right next to us?
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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. Keep
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asking the hard questions, even when the answers are incredibly
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hard to hear. We'll see you next time.