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Prominent Surgeon Murdered by Patient IN EXAM ROOM: WHY? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a top Memphis surgeon is
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Speaker 1: gunned down in his own exam room.
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Speaker 2: Why I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Series
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Speaker 2: XEM one eleven.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to our friends at w r EG.
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Speaker 4: Exclusive viewer video shows Clerville police running intensely to find
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Speaker 4: the suspect as sirens blair, signaling the large response to
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Speaker 4: the scene. Susan Baker had just entered with her family
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Speaker 4: when they kay I started someone's I'm.
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Speaker 3: Going home to their family tonight.
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Speaker 5: And they could have.
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Speaker 3: Been anyone who are in the clinic today.
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine going to your doctor's office, taking your
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Speaker 2: children there, sitting there in the way, thumbing through magazines,
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Speaker 2: looking at your phone, when you hear shots ring out
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Speaker 2: and then all hebale breaks loose. The most you can
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Speaker 2: do is die for your children, to try to save them.
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Speaker 2: Nobody knowing what's going on. This surgeon, seemingly beloved husband
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Speaker 2: and father, a well known surgeon in the Memphis area,
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Speaker 2: gunned down in his own office in an exam room
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Speaker 2: when patients attack. Why with me It All Star panel
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Speaker 2: to make sense of what we know right now, But
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Speaker 2: take a listen to our friends at WMCTV.
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Speaker 6: Calufield Police Chief Dale Lane says a patient of Campbell
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Speaker 6: Clinic on Poplar shot and killed an employee around two
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Speaker 6: pm Tuesday afternoon. Clinic officials confirm the victim is orthopedic
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Speaker 6: hand surgeon doctor Benjamin mop So.
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Speaker 7: This appears to be a one on one interaction that
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Speaker 7: occurred in an exam room.
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Speaker 2: It's not the first time a healthcare professional, a doctor,
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Speaker 2: a nurse have been attacked by patients, including patients, husbands
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Speaker 2: and wives. But why take a listen to our cut
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Speaker 2: twenty four from WASB.
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Speaker 8: We're getting our first look at the patient accused of
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Speaker 8: attacking a nurse who died days later. That is Jesse Gilory,
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Speaker 8: charged with manslaughter after the Airpril fourth attack. Vestcuars believe
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Speaker 8: he attacked a nurse there at.
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Speaker 3: Batanuth General Lyndricio.
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Speaker 8: Autopsy results show she died from blood clots in her
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Speaker 8: legs and.
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Speaker 2: Lungs, those clots resulting from a vicious attack on her.
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Speaker 2: In that case, a female nurse was attacked and then died.
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Speaker 2: Now take a listen to our cut twenty five KABC and.
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Speaker 9: Labed swanting forced their way into a room where this
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Speaker 9: man had barricaded himself, but not before he stabbed three people,
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Speaker 9: two nurses and a doctor. Now the suspect, demand in
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Speaker 9: his thirties, walked into the emergency room, he asked to
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Speaker 9: be treated and then turned on the staff. The three
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Speaker 9: injured rushed to trauma centers suffering from critical injuries.
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Speaker 2: Now, in the current case, the case in Chief, where
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Speaker 2: the top Memphis hand surgeon was murdered, shot dead in
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Speaker 2: his own exam room, we are now learning police are
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Speaker 2: saying that his murder, Doctor Benjamin Mak's murder was a
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Speaker 2: quote targeted attack. Again not the first time nurses doctors
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Speaker 2: have been the target of murder. Take a listener our
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Speaker 2: cut twenty six Z Dogg.
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Speaker 10: And we hear about the nurse who died or who's
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Speaker 10: in critical care after being shot in South Carolina. We
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Speaker 10: hear about ems workers attacked in the Pacific Northwest, and
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Speaker 10: now the story out of Baton Rouge Hospital where a
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Speaker 10: nurse was attacked by a patient on a behavioral health unit.
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Speaker 10: And a lot of this is speculation, but even the
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Speaker 10: overall arch of this repoints out how we are devaluing
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Speaker 10: our frontline healthcare professionals, putting them in harm's way and
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Speaker 10: expecting our healers to make the ultimate sacrifice in service
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Speaker 10: for their patients.
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Speaker 2: Right there, you're hearing doctor Zubin Domania speaking on TikTok
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Speaker 2: about attacks on nurses and doctors. Right now, the Memphis
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Speaker 2: community is reeling after somehow a patient armed with a
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Speaker 2: handgun worms his way through the waiting room, through the
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Speaker 2: receptionist area, gets back into an exam room, and then
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Speaker 2: at the first opportunity, unloads, murdering doctor Benjamin Matt. Doctor
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Speaker 2: angel Arnold with me renowned psychiatrists joining us out of
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Speaker 2: the Atlanta jurisdiction. You can find her at angela Arnold
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Speaker 2: MD dot com. Doctor Angie, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Do you ever fear your own patients?
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Speaker 11: Well, Nancy, I'll tell you something. It's my fear is growing.
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Speaker 11: I don't typically fear my own patients because I have
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Speaker 11: a you know, I have a good system of routing
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Speaker 11: out people who I feel are dangerous to come and
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Speaker 11: see me. But other doctors don't have that. Other doctors
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Speaker 11: don't have that same ability. Because if you're a hand surgeon,
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Speaker 11: people are going to come to you and you don't
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Speaker 11: get to pick and choose who your patients are. So yes,
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Speaker 11: there are, and I mean, Nancy, I cannot tell you
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Speaker 11: how sick I am right now. I'm from Memphis and
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Speaker 11: Campbell's clinic was of was in part of my training.
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Speaker 11: And the people don't understand how long it takes to
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Speaker 11: become a hand surgeon. And then somebody he just walks
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Speaker 11: in and shoots him in the exam room dead. And
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Speaker 11: I can imagine what this may have been over. Okay,
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Speaker 11: it may have been over something as simple as they
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Speaker 11: weren't refilling his pain medications and so he felt the
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Speaker 11: need to get back at the doctor and kill him.
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Speaker 11: But he has taken a life that means so much
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Speaker 11: in that community. It will take years, years just to
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Speaker 11: replace this man, just for the for the good that
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Speaker 11: he has done in his community. His family will never
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Speaker 11: get over this. Can you imagine going to work one
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Speaker 11: day and being shot dead. This is not why we
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Speaker 11: go into medicine. We go into medicine to help people.
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Speaker 11: We have all of our best intentions when we become doctors,
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Speaker 11: and now we have to be scared to go to work.
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Speaker 2: Nancy, actually, doctor Angie, I can imagine it, because that
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Speaker 2: is what happened to my Fami, Say Keith, he went
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Speaker 2: to work and he was gunned down dead on his
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Speaker 2: way bringing back everybody on the work crew. So does
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Speaker 2: and drinks to go with their lunch. So yes, As
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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I can't imagine it. I think
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Speaker 2: part of the shock and the difficulty absorbing what happened
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Speaker 2: is that it seemed like a perfectly normal day, and
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Speaker 2: it's hard. It's as if the mind is tricking the
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Speaker 2: eye because everything seems normal and then suddenly your whole
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Speaker 2: world is torn apart. When you say that you can
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Speaker 2: screen out certain patients that you believe could hurt you,
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Speaker 2: why are you saying other doctors cannot do that? Don't
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Speaker 2: have that same luxury?
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Speaker 11: Well, because you know, when you're a surgeon and peace,
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Speaker 11: they don't have the same barriers to entry.
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Speaker 3: That I do.
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Speaker 11: In my practice. I have a small private practice, and
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Speaker 11: I am very able to pick and choose the patients
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Speaker 11: that I feel like I can help and they can
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Speaker 11: come to see me, okay for a lot of different
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Speaker 11: ways that I run my practice all right, that I
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Speaker 11: won't get into here. But other doctors don't have that
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Speaker 11: luxury because they aren't making their own schedules, someone schedules
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Speaker 11: the patient at the front desk, the patient comes in
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Speaker 11: for surgery. They don't have the kind of barriers to
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Speaker 11: entry that I do. And it's because it's the kind
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Speaker 11: of medicine I practice. Surgeons don't have those kind of barriers.
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Speaker 2: Guys, take a listen hour cut three. Our friends at
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Speaker 2: w are easy.
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Speaker 4: It has been a very chaotic date here in Carnival
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Speaker 4: as a town mourns the loss of a doctor shot
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Speaker 4: and killed by a patient in his care tonight. Many
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Speaker 4: hearts are aching at the loss of doctor Benjamin Malk,
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Speaker 4: an orthopedic surgeon Kyerville police saying he was shot and
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Speaker 4: killed by a patient Tuesday afternoon inside the Campbell Clinic
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Speaker 4: on Poplar Avenue.
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Speaker 7: It's bad, It's horrific. It's terrible, and you know, our
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Speaker 7: thoughts and prayers are with the family.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we are trying to make sense of what we
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Speaker 2: know right now regarding the brutal murder of a top
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Speaker 2: hand surgeon attack in his own offices in Memphis. Joining
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Speaker 2: me as I said an all star panel. But first
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Speaker 2: I want to go to chief investigative reporter with Dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot Com Jen Smith, Jan Smith. We are learning that
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Speaker 2: apparently the perp had been lying in wait outside the
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Speaker 2: doctor's offices for hours before gaining entrance and access to
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Speaker 2: that back exam.
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Speaker 12: I mean, how terrifying is that, Nancy, for not just
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Speaker 12: the victim here, but everyone who worked there and all
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Speaker 12: the other patients. We don't know where specifically he was
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Speaker 12: lying in wait, if it was outside the clinic. It
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Speaker 12: is called the Campbell Clinic in Collierville, which is around
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Speaker 12: a thirty minute drive east of downtown Memphis. We don't
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Speaker 12: know if he was outside the clinic, if he was
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Speaker 12: in the waiting room. We don't know any of that.
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Speaker 12: But one other thing we have heard is that this
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Speaker 12: wasn't the first time this perp was known or had
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Speaker 12: visited this clinic. According to some of the people who
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Speaker 12: worked here, Nancy, he had been threatening doctor Mark and
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Speaker 12: other people potentially in the clinic for over a week
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Speaker 12: before this happened. But you're right, he was lying in wait. He,
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Speaker 12: you know, thank God didn't take it upon himself to
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Speaker 12: harm anyone else, because this was a busy, working, normal day.
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Speaker 12: There were plenty of people coming in and out, and
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Speaker 12: like the authority said, he had designs on this one surgeon,
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Speaker 12: and once he got his opportunity, he took it.
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Speaker 2: What do we really know about the surgeon who was
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Speaker 2: build in the headlines as being a top surgeon and Memphis,
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Speaker 2: What do we really know to take us tour by one?
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Speaker 13: Doctor Benjamin Mark, according to an article in a Memphis magazine,
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Speaker 13: knew he wanted to be an orthopedic specialist from the
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Speaker 13: time he was a teenager. He told the magazine he
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Speaker 13: grew up in Savannah, Tennessee, and saw a doctor help
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Speaker 13: his sister recover from a sports injury.
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Speaker 3: That's really news. He wanted to help people and become
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Speaker 3: a physician.
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Speaker 13: Parents Campbell Clinton says that he wouldn't one to graduate
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Speaker 13: from university and Jackson to the University of Tennessee.
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Speaker 2: Here in Memphis, Jin joining us Jini quarter with Dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot com.
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Speaker 3: Don't miss this.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about this doctor? Loses back
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Speaker 2: in his own.
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Speaker 3: Well, like you just start there from the clip.
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Speaker 12: He was incredibly dedicated to his profession, really passionate about
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Speaker 12: what he did. He wanted to help people, and he
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Speaker 12: was absolutely revered beloved by this community.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 12: Since the news of his death emerged, dozens if not
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Speaker 12: hundreds of people have come out to say how much
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Speaker 12: they loved him and you know, really trusted him. But
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Speaker 12: you know, the more tragic element here is that he
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Speaker 12: was also a family man. He has a wife, her
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Speaker 12: name is Rhiannon, and they had two very young children.
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Speaker 12: So they are now left dealing with the fallout from this.
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Speaker 12: But all around stand up man, prominent respected physician, and
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Speaker 12: much loved father and husband.
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Speaker 2: Well, it could be a possible motive for someone to
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Speaker 2: lie in wait and then somehow wrangle a spot back
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Speaker 2: in an examiner and while armed, to attack the doctor,
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Speaker 2: shooting him dead. What could possibly be the motive when
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Speaker 2: you don't know a motive, which of course is not required.
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Speaker 2: It is not required to show motive to a jury.
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Speaker 2: The prosecutor is never asked to crawl into the mind
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Speaker 2: of a killer and.
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Speaker 3: Sort it out.
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Speaker 2: But practically speaking, jurors want to know why when a
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Speaker 2: scenario may not make sense to them, they want the
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Speaker 2: reasoning behind it. Why is it? Matthew man Gino Matthew
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Speaker 2: man Gino, joining US high profile lawyer, former prosecutor, District
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Speaker 2: Attorney of Lawrence County and author of The Executioner's Toll.
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Speaker 2: You can find him at matt ma Geno dot com.
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Speaker 2: Why is it that, in a legal sense, we don't
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Speaker 2: need to know the motive behind this murder? Why is that?
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Speaker 14: Well, you know, the law does not require that there
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Speaker 14: be necessarily a motive proven to a jury as to
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Speaker 14: why a you know, a murder for instance, occurred. But
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Speaker 14: it's human nature, Nancy, that that people want to know
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Speaker 14: why they want to fill in those blanks, whether they're
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Speaker 14: required by law or instructed by a judge that they
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Speaker 14: don't have to do that. They want to understand. They
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Speaker 14: want to understand why this occurred and what motivated it,
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Speaker 14: and why would somebody walk into a doctor's office and
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Speaker 14: gun him down. You know, So, while it's not required,
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Speaker 14: jurys want to know, and I think prosecutors are very
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Speaker 14: attentive to that. They want to be able to answer
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Speaker 14: that question for jurors because it's it's so important to
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Speaker 14: understand why something so so horrific, so catastrophic can happen
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Speaker 14: to another human being.
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Speaker 2: But of course it's not required under the law. Wouldn't
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Speaker 2: you agree with that, Matthew Mangino.
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Speaker 14: It's not required, it's not required, you don't The prosecution
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Speaker 14: does not have to prove a murder for the motive.
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Speaker 14: In this case, someone walks in the gun. In with
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Speaker 14: the gun, they shoot somebody in the vital.
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Speaker 12: Part of their body.
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Speaker 14: That person dies. That's a homicide, that's first degree murders.
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Speaker 14: That intent can be created very quickly. You don't have
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Speaker 14: to show why it happened, only that it did happen
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Speaker 14: and there's a person who's responsible for it.
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Speaker 2: Now, there have been some cases where a motive ultimately
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Speaker 2: became clear. We're talking about a patient that murders a
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Speaker 2: top hand surgeon in Memphis, lying in wait for hours,
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Speaker 2: then gaining access to an exam room, than shooting the
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Speaker 2: doctor dead. I want you to take a listen to
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Speaker 2: our cut seventeen and case where motive was made very apparent.
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Speaker 3: This is from Fox four.
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Speaker 15: The medical community in Tulsa reeling from Wednesday's deadly shooting
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Speaker 15: on the second floor of a Saint Francis Health System
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Speaker 15: building or Forty five year old Michael Lewis from Muscogee, Oklahoma,
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Speaker 15: gunned down four people, including his orthopedic surgeon, doctor Preston Phillips,
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Speaker 15: who performed back surgery on Lewis less than two weeks ago.
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Speaker 8: He blamed doctor Phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery.
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Speaker 15: That motive made clear by a letter. Tulsa police say
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Speaker 15: they found on the shooter after he took his own life.
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Speaker 5: He came in with the intent to kill doctor Phillips.
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Speaker 3: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is doctor Jane Gorniac, medical examiner in Clark County.
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Speaker 2: That's Las Vegas Board certified forensic pathologist Dodger Gorniac. Thank
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Speaker 2: you so much for being with us today. Explain to
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Speaker 2: me what consistent and unstoppable pain can do to a person.
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Speaker 2: It seems like in that case and Dallas fort Worth,
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Speaker 2: it made the patient go out of their mind.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely so some, especially if it's like back pain,
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Speaker 5: and that's really debilitating to some folks where medication doesn't work,
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Speaker 5: or you're depending on your age when you can't do
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Speaker 5: your normal daily activities like get out of bed without pain,
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Speaker 5: sit down in a chair, go to the bathroom, or
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Speaker 5: even drive. So it's not only the pain, but it's
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Speaker 5: also a loss of your quality of life. So I
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Speaker 5: remember one time I had an earache and that pain
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Speaker 5: was so terrible, you know what I mean. And there
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Speaker 5: was just an earache, but I was able to get
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Speaker 5: it get it treated. But I can't imagine where you're
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Speaker 5: in pain to the point where you have to have
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Speaker 5: surgery to fix it, and then it's doesn't fix it.
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Speaker 5: The pain is there, nothing is helping, and then your
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Speaker 5: quality of life is diminishing. I think, you know, it
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Speaker 5: really gets to some people.
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Speaker 2: Or on the other hand, in the Dallas Fort Worth
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Speaker 2: case where the patient murdered his doctor, maybe the killer
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Speaker 2: was addicted to pain pills and because of that addiction
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Speaker 2: was out of his mind.
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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And so as a forensic pathologist and the opioid
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Speaker 5: epidemic that we are living with now, doctors are in
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Speaker 5: a very difficult position having to treat their patients for pain,
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Speaker 5: but at the same time measuring and making decisions on
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Speaker 5: whether patients are really in pain or are they just
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Speaker 5: wanting to pain medication. And everybody's different. There's a story
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Speaker 5: or research where you know, women are not given the
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Speaker 5: opiates like they need, even though mail counterparts with the
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Speaker 5: same symptoms are getting those pain meds. So it's a
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Speaker 5: difficult position. And I don't treat my patients so in
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Speaker 5: that send them. I'm grateful that I don't have to
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Speaker 5: make that decision, but it is a tough decision on
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Speaker 5: assessing your patient's pain and then to treat it or
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Speaker 5: not to treat it.
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Speaker 2: How did this guy get access to a renowned hand surgeon,
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Speaker 2: a top surgeon in Memphis. How did he get back
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Speaker 2: into an exam room with a gun?
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Speaker 3: You know?
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Speaker 2: To doctor Angela Arnold, a psychiatrist joining us out of
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Speaker 2: the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 3: Have you ever been afraid of a patient?
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Speaker 12: I have.
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Speaker 11: What happened, well, I've been attacked by patients in the
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Speaker 11: hospital setting. Fortunately there were police around that were able
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Speaker 11: to help me. Because I've worked on a psychiatric board,
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Speaker 11: I've worked at Grady and that's where I trained and Nancy.
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Speaker 11: I'm not sure if your viewers know this, but Grady
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Speaker 11: Hospital has the largest psychiatric ward in the country, and
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Speaker 11: while we were training, we would be we would be
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Speaker 11: put on call at night to take care of all
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Speaker 11: of the patients that came in, and we also had
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Speaker 11: to take care of the patients that came in from
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Speaker 11: the prisons. And before before we had there weren't always
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Speaker 11: metal detectors, and so you would just go out get
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Speaker 11: the patient from the waiting room. One patient put his
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Speaker 11: arms around my neck and started trying to choke me
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Speaker 11: while we were walking down the hall, and thank god
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Speaker 11: there was this big, huge police officer we call him
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Speaker 11: Big Al. And this I mean, I got attacked several times.
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Speaker 11: If you want to know the truth.
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Speaker 3: I do want to know the truth. I want to
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Speaker 3: know the truth, the whole truth.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, I've been attacked several times in the hospital, and
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Speaker 11: I was attacked one time in the hospital in a
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Speaker 11: couple of times in the psychiatric hospital in Memphis. So
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Speaker 11: it's certainly not something that I am not unfamiliar with.
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Speaker 11: And I have had and as my private practice has progressed,
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Speaker 11: there have been times, you know, all of the doors
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Speaker 11: remained locked, remain locked before anyone can get in to
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Speaker 11: see me. But there have been times when patients who
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Speaker 11: were actually very drug seeking, and I can and I
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Speaker 11: can pinpoint those pretty quickly have come in and they
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Speaker 11: are and they are particularly scary to treat, and it's
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Speaker 11: oftentimes very hard to get them out of your office.
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Speaker 11: And I'll tell you, when drug addicts are drug seeking, Nancy,
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Speaker 11: they will do anything they can to get their drugs.
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Speaker 11: And now we and I truly believe that this man,
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Speaker 11: because I know how orthopedic offices work. Sometimes people go
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Speaker 11: to an orthopedic surgeon to have surgery so that they
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Speaker 11: can actually acquire pain medicines after the surgery.
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Speaker 2: So they go through a surgery with the intent of
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Speaker 2: getting the pain man's after.
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Speaker 11: Yes, I'm not sure if that's what happened in this case,
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Speaker 11: but I do know that at orthopedic surgery offices there
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Speaker 11: are people who work there who their only job at
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Speaker 11: the orthopedic surgeon's office is to feeld calls from patients
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Speaker 11: who are desiring their medications, typically early, and they want
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Speaker 11: more medication. It would not surprise me at all if
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Speaker 11: this human being thought that the doctor was the person
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Speaker 11: who was stopping him from getting his medications, and so
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Speaker 11: he was out to kill this doctor because he in
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Speaker 11: his mind, he thought that the doctor was preventing him
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Speaker 11: from getting his medication.
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Speaker 2: If that is in fact the motive, Doctor Angela Arnold,
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Speaker 2: who has been attacked on multiple occasions by patients. You
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Speaker 2: mentioned one patient try to strangle you, to choke you.
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Speaker 3: How did that happen?
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Speaker 11: There was no protection. We were at a very busy
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Speaker 11: city hospital, except we did have police officers there. But
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Speaker 11: the patient saw my name on my white coat. He
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Speaker 11: wanted medication. I'm quite sure he was a little bit
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Speaker 11: out of his mind, and he he literally just charged
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Speaker 11: me in the hallway, Nancy, and put his and put
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Speaker 11: his arms around my neck and started shaking me and saying,
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Speaker 11: doctor Arnold, give me my medications. And I called for
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Speaker 11: the police officer, who was a very large man, thank god,
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Speaker 11: and the police officer made him take his arms, his
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Speaker 11: hands off of me, and you know, took him away.
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Speaker 3: After that, right a top of his hand.
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Speaker 2: Sergeant shot dead in his own examining by a patient
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Speaker 2: who had lain in wait. We're looking for a motive
23:55
Speaker 2: as his wife and children try to navigate a new
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Speaker 2: normal without their husband, and what their husband and father?
24:10
Speaker 2: What more do we know about the doctor? Take it
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Speaker 2: to listen to our cut two our friends at Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 13: You would do his residency at ut Campbell Clinic. Campbell
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Speaker 13: Clinic is where he also would go on to work
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Speaker 13: as a hand wrist and elbow surgeon. The magazine says
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Speaker 13: at Campbell Clinic, he would head up the congenital hand
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Speaker 13: clinic at Labonna Children's Hospital. The magazine, quoting doctor Mark,
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Speaker 13: is saying, the hand is how we interact with the
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Speaker 13: outside world, and when your hand is involved. It affects
24:38
Speaker 13: almost every single thing you do.
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Speaker 3: End quote.
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Speaker 13: Apparently a passion he truly believed in in an industry
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Speaker 13: where he surely made his mark.
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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, doctor Mank was just named
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Speaker 2: one of the top Memphis doctors. Take a listen to
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Speaker 2: our cut five WMCTV.
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Speaker 6: Doctor Monck was just named one of the top doctors
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Speaker 6: in Memphis by a nationally recognized group. And less than
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Speaker 6: a week ago, Action News five talk to doctor Mock
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Speaker 6: about kids and firework safety for the fourth of July,
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Speaker 6: we get the.
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Speaker 16: Word out to keep kids, you know, saved from fireworks.
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Speaker 5: I think you know if any kid's hands saved the
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Speaker 5: stamebook standpoint, it's worth it.
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Speaker 2: To Jen Smith, joining US chief investigative reporter at dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot com, I'm just thinking about doctor Mack saying, the
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Speaker 2: hand is how we interact with the outside world. It
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Speaker 2: affects almost every single thing you do. Jen, he loved,
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Speaker 2: loved what he did, and he loved his family. I
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Speaker 2: don't understand the motive behind shooting doctor Mack dead. I
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Speaker 2: don't understand how the shooter got back into that area
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Speaker 2: and had access to the doctor.
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Speaker 3: What do we know about how he got back there.
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Speaker 12: Jen, You know, there are just so much unanswered questions still, Nancy.
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Speaker 12: The local authorities who are handling this investigation are really
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Speaker 12: being tight lipped on this one. They won't tell us
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Speaker 12: what they believe the perps suspective motive is. They won't
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Speaker 12: tell us how he got back there. Now, of course,
26:15
Speaker 12: as you're following the theory that this was someone who
26:18
Speaker 12: was looking for pain medication, could have been he simply
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Speaker 12: made an appointment with doctor Mok. We don't know if
26:26
Speaker 12: this is a guy who had seen doctor Mok before
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Speaker 12: and therefore staff had no reason to suspect him. We
26:33
Speaker 12: really don't know much at all about this guy, which
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Speaker 12: is making this case, you know, all the more confounding.
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Speaker 14: Well, Nancy, you know, the one question that I would ask,
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Speaker 14: and the issue has been raising, how did this patient
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Speaker 14: get back there to see the doctor with a gun?
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Speaker 14: And I think one of the things we can't ignore
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Speaker 14: sort of the eleison in the room as far as
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Speaker 14: I'm concerned, is that, you know, the state of Tennessee, they.
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Speaker 2: Have no.
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Speaker 14: Licensing or permit scheme for possessing a handgun, either openly
27:10
Speaker 14: or concealed in the state. So an individual without a license.
27:14
Speaker 14: Without a permit, can carry a concealed weapon in the
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Speaker 14: state of Tennessee. So you hide this gun on your
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Speaker 14: person and it's not even unlawful to do that. You
27:26
Speaker 14: go back into the office and you murder an innocent doc.
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Speaker 14: So I mean, I think Tennessee has to take a
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Speaker 14: look at itself to a certain extent with regard to
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Speaker 14: this matter.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know about the incident? Take a
27:42
Speaker 2: listen to our cut eleven. This is the chief deal
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Speaker 2: Lane A call you LPD.
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Speaker 7: We do have one fatality and probably all that we're
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Speaker 7: going to release at this point. We did conduct multiple
27:55
Speaker 7: searches of the facility continue to make sure that it
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Speaker 7: was secure, including drone pilots fly the exterior of the
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Speaker 7: build in to ensure that we didn't have anyone that
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Speaker 7: the suspect may have encountered. It's bad, it's horrific, it's terrible,
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Speaker 7: and you know, our thoughts and prayers are with the family.
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Speaker 7: We have made notification to them, and so we're going
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Speaker 7: to continue to pray for them, and I would hope
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Speaker 7: that your viewers would do the same. But that's, you know,
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Speaker 7: out of respect for them and those employees. We don't
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Speaker 7: want to release you know the name.
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Speaker 3: So it's not a mass shooting.
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Speaker 2: The shooter didn't take down people on his way out
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Speaker 2: or on his way in. This was a targeted attack
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Speaker 2: on what we believe to be a beloved hand surgeon
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Speaker 2: and family man. So how does that jive with the
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Speaker 2: facts that we know? Take a listen now to our
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Speaker 2: cut twenty one Action needs five.
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Speaker 17: According to a police APPI David just after two pm Tuesday,
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Speaker 17: clinic staff said Pickens was quote being treated by doctor
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Speaker 17: Benjamin Mark when mister Pickens removed a pistol from his
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Speaker 17: waistband and fired three rounds at doctor Mack. Doctor Mark
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Speaker 17: was found deceeased inside an exam room with gunshot wounds
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Speaker 17: to his chest, upper abdomen and neck.
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Speaker 2: Back to you, Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter with dailymail
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Speaker 2: dot Com, we understand there was a good bit of
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Speaker 2: planning that went into the shooting of doctor Mack, husband
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Speaker 2: and father. Apparently the shooter came into the offices with
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Speaker 2: a backpack, and in the backpack was the gun and
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Speaker 2: two empty magazines. He came locked and loaded, specifically looking
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Speaker 2: for doctor Mark. He did.
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Speaker 12: That's absolutely right. He knew exactly what he was doing.
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Speaker 12: It seems like he knew exactly who he was looking for.
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Speaker 3: Nan see take a listen to wr EGTV.
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Speaker 4: Police have not identified the suspect, describing the shooting as
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Speaker 4: a one on one encounter that occurred inside an exam room.
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Speaker 3: A gentleman that was with me.
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Speaker 5: He actually told the shooter gren out of the building,
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Speaker 5: and he was letting the officers know that as we
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Speaker 5: were still trying to get out of the building.
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Speaker 4: A witness on scene to old WRG the suspect had
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Speaker 4: been threatening doctor malk for at least a week. Kyerville
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Speaker 4: Police Chief Dale Lane said during the press conference the
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Speaker 4: department had no knowledge of the alleged threats.
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Speaker 2: I mean doctor Angie, doctor Angela Arnold joining us around
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Speaker 2: psychiatrists out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Angie, when you
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Speaker 2: are dealing with a patient, does it ever cross your
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Speaker 2: mind this patient could kill me, this patient could attack me.
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Speaker 11: There are some patients that it does cross your mind
30:37
Speaker 11: that that could happen. But what I don't understand is
30:40
Speaker 11: if this guy, why do they know now that this
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Speaker 11: guy was stalking this guy for a week and nobody
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Speaker 11: protected the doctor from him going into his office. Why
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Speaker 11: is that information coming out now, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: I agree if he had been threatened for a week, Hey,
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Speaker 2: what's the motive?
30:57
Speaker 3: B why is he being threatened?
30:58
Speaker 2: And see why they let the guy in time stories
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Speaker 2: with Nancy Grace. We're trying to make sense of a
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Speaker 2: seemingly senseless shooting of a husband, a father, and a
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Speaker 2: renowned surgeon.
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Speaker 3: What were you saying, doctor Angie?
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Speaker 11: If there are active threats, then have a police officer.
31:31
Speaker 11: The presence of a police officer deters people from doing
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Speaker 11: things like that. Have a police officer standing at the
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Speaker 11: front desk. Why is everybody so afraid of having a
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Speaker 11: police officer stand somewhere when someone's life is being threatened?
31:46
Speaker 11: You know what, we can't We can't take these things
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Speaker 11: lightly anymore, Nancy.
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Speaker 2: And we also know that the guy lay in wait,
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Speaker 2: he waited for his chance to gun down this doctor.
31:58
Speaker 2: Is there some motive that has escaped us at this point? Guys,
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Speaker 2: take a listen. Our cut fifty wmc TV.
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Speaker 18: We began with breaking news following the tragic death of
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Speaker 18: a beloved Colerville doctor. The gunman who opened fire inside
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Speaker 18: an exam room has officially been charged with murder and
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Speaker 18: aggravated assault.
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Speaker 3: Here he is.
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Speaker 18: This is twenty nine year old Larry Pickens.
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Speaker 3: Colier Wilt Belise Say.
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Speaker 18: Pickens lives in Memphis, and investigators are working with other
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Speaker 18: agencies to see if there were any prior reports files
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Speaker 18: on Pickens.
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Speaker 2: Jen Smith joining US dailymail dot com cheeks investigative reporter Jen.
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Speaker 2: How did they apprehend the shooter?
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Speaker 12: You know in this case, man say, the local law
32:39
Speaker 12: enforcement really did through their job, and they did it well.
32:41
Speaker 12: They arrested Pickens outside the clinics just a few minutes
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Speaker 12: after this shooting took place. So he had shot the doctor,
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Speaker 12: doctor Mark. He then ran through the clinic, you know,
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Speaker 12: breathing past all the other people who were in the
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Speaker 12: waiting room. He's arrested outside. Seen video from inside the clinic,
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Speaker 12: the moments afterwards where the cults are looking for him
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Speaker 12: and they end up taking him into custody right outside
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Speaker 12: just a few minutes later.
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Speaker 2: You know, I'm just trying to figure out what was
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Speaker 2: so important that this guy go in and he was ready,
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Speaker 2: This was premeditated. Matthew Mangino. He goes in with a backpack.
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Speaker 2: In the backpack is a gun, a handgun in two magazines.
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Speaker 2: He waits for his opportunity, goes in, gets alone with
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Speaker 2: the doctor in an exam room and guns him down dead.
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Speaker 2: We are waiting to determine is there some other motive.
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Speaker 2: You know what surprises me, Matthew, is that an assistant
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Speaker 2: wasn't also killed, because typically when you've got one doctor
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Speaker 2: in the room, there's an assistant in.
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Speaker 14: There, all right, so we know you know from that
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Speaker 14: that this is specifically targeted at doctor Monk. This person
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Speaker 14: went there prepared, aired, uh and in a pre meditated
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Speaker 14: manner to kill doctor Mack. The my concern is if
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Speaker 14: doctor Mark was being threatened, you know, why weren't the
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Speaker 14: threats taking more seriously? And I think that is something
34:19
Speaker 14: that this story really hits home on. You can't just
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Speaker 14: blow off a threat, not in this age, not with
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Speaker 14: all the you know, deadly killings across the country, mass killings.
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Speaker 14: You have to take every set threat seriously. Certainly, I
34:39
Speaker 14: know you don't want to have a doctor's office where
34:40
Speaker 14: you have a security guard sitting in the lobby. That
34:43
Speaker 14: doesn't make patience so comfortable necessarily, but you can't just
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Speaker 14: ignore a threat. And that's what this story tells us
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Speaker 14: more than anything.
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Speaker 2: Else comes I d a suspect in the cold blooded
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Speaker 2: shooting of a beloved Tennessee hand surgeon.
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Speaker 3: And again, it's.
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Speaker 2: Not the first time that doctors, nurses, caregivers have been
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Speaker 2: attacked and killed. Take a listen to Hour cut eighteen
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Speaker 2: our friends at crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 16: Stephen Pissi got to be friends with doctor Michael Davidson
35:18
Speaker 16: when doctor Davidson was treating Passeri's mother, Marguerite, for some
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Speaker 16: pretty serious heart and lung issues. When Marguerite passed away,
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Speaker 16: Stephen Pissei blamed doctor Davidson for her death. Passeri became
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Speaker 16: fixated on a lung medication the doctor prescribed to his mother,
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Speaker 16: believing the medication caused a fatal complication. Steven Pissari's brother, Gregory,
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Speaker 16: told The Boston Globe that their mother's death was hard
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Speaker 16: and his brother was destroyed by it, but he was
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Speaker 16: still shocked. When Stephen Pissari walked in Brigham and Women's
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Speaker 16: Hospital asked to see doctor Davidson. Then, seeing the doctor
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Speaker 16: outside an examination room, Pisseri pulled a gun and shot
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Speaker 16: doctor Davidson twice, killing the doctor before turning the gun
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Speaker 16: on himself.
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Speaker 2: There you see a targeted attack on a doctor after
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Speaker 2: his patient passes away and the patient's son blames the doctor. Now,
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Speaker 2: is that any justification for murder? No, it's not, in
36:11
Speaker 2: fact that it's cold blooded revenge? So what is the
36:16
Speaker 2: motive in the murder of doctor Benjamin Mauk? Again, it
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Speaker 2: happens all too often. Take a listener hour cut nineteen
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Speaker 2: Our friends at Fox five.
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Speaker 19: Grief and shock permeate the Cartersville community. Attorney Antonio'mury was
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Speaker 19: gunned down in his office Wednesday afternoon and the.
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Speaker 10: Doors were open for business like they typically would be,
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Speaker 10: and that's when the suspect came in and fired three shots.
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Speaker 19: Maury represented a woman in a divorce case Wednesday morning,
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Speaker 19: and he felt threatened by his client's husband, Walt Radford.
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Speaker 19: Radford shot Murray, then went to his wife's home, broken
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Speaker 19: through the back door, and killed himself.
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Speaker 2: In that case, a lawyer representing a client ends up
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Speaker 2: stalked and murdered.
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Speaker 3: Is that the case here?
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Speaker 2: What was the reason behind this unpredictable shooting? But the
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Speaker 2: staff in Mark's office recognized the shooter. Take a list
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Speaker 2: to our cut twenty Action News five.
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Speaker 17: The shooter who has been charged was a patient at
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Speaker 17: Campbell Clinic. A nurse practitioner telling police that she recognized
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Speaker 17: him from previous visits. Now what caused them to allegedly
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Speaker 17: fire his weapon? That is still under investigation. Twenty nine
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Speaker 17: year old Larry Pickens is facing first degree murder and
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Speaker 17: aggravated assault charges.
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Speaker 2: So to Jen Smith, chief investigative reporter at Dailymail dot com,
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Speaker 2: the staff knew this guy. He was absolutely a patient
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Speaker 2: of doctor Marks.
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Speaker 5: They did.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, absolutely, they recognized him, and see they knew who
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Speaker 12: this guy was. Now as for what drove him to
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Speaker 12: do this, of course we still don't know that. But
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Speaker 12: the fact that he had had contact with doctor Mark
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Speaker 12: before that he was a pace, it really moves this
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Speaker 12: one step farther along in the investigation to explain what
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Speaker 12: could have potentially happened here.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Gorniac, Doctor Jane Gorniac joining US Medical Examiner out
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Speaker 2: of Clark County, that's in Vegas. Doctor Gorniac, when you
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Speaker 2: were doing your rotations getting your medical degree, did you
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Speaker 2: ever feel any fear of patients or people that you
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Speaker 2: would treat.
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Speaker 5: I did not. And it's interesting is I'm thinking back
38:33
Speaker 5: to my medical education and I don't remember even being
38:37
Speaker 5: taught about safety, your own safety, not just patient safety,
38:41
Speaker 5: but your own safety. And I as a forensic pathologist,
38:45
Speaker 5: obviously my patients aren't the ones I'm afraid of, but
38:49
Speaker 5: they're families. And to give some insight as being a physician,
38:53
Speaker 5: we're in our DNA to help. So no matter how
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Speaker 5: the patient approaches you or even those threats, why we
39:01
Speaker 5: don't take them seriously because they're coming for us to
39:04
Speaker 5: help and we think that we can we can help.
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Speaker 5: So I've had some situations where I reacted first before
39:14
Speaker 5: actually thinking, because my patient's families are number one to
39:19
Speaker 5: me and I had to tell them some bad news
39:23
Speaker 5: and I was actually sitting in the house and away
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Speaker 5: from the front door, and had it not been for
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Speaker 5: my patient's mother's sister holding her back, I may not
39:35
Speaker 5: have gotten out of the house. And then you think about,
39:38
Speaker 5: you know, the patient's father was sitting next to me
39:42
Speaker 5: on the couch. There could have been a gun under
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Speaker 5: the couch. And so the next time when I had
39:47
Speaker 5: to go to a family member's home, then I bought
39:50
Speaker 5: the police with me because I'm thinking as a physician,
39:54
Speaker 5: I can talk, you know, I can talk my way
39:57
Speaker 5: out of whatever the situation was. I can be empathetic,
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Speaker 5: I can be sympathetic and they want that from me.
40:04
Speaker 5: But now I have a better insight. Especially with grieving people,
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Speaker 5: you just never know, so you always have to take
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Speaker 5: every like someone said, take those threats seriously, even as
40:15
Speaker 5: benign as they think they are. You really have to,
40:19
Speaker 5: you know, take care of yourself and your own safety first,
40:23
Speaker 5: including the patient safety.
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Speaker 2: To jasmen joining usdeallymail dot com as we go to air.
40:29
Speaker 2: Now the defendant has actually been in court. What happened
40:33
Speaker 2: he has, Yeah.
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Speaker 12: He made his first initial appearance, Nancy, in front.
40:36
Speaker 14: Of a judge in Colier Belt.
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Speaker 12: It was a very quick appearance. Not much happened at all.
40:41
Speaker 12: He was brought in an orange jumpsuit, he was wearing
40:44
Speaker 12: a medical mask, and he was asked whether or not
40:48
Speaker 12: he could afford his veil, which has been said at
40:51
Speaker 12: one point two million dollars. He shrugged and he responded
40:55
Speaker 12: by saying, I'm not sure. I mean, I think we
40:58
Speaker 12: all know that he probably cannot forth this bail. After that,
41:02
Speaker 12: he was taken back to custody and he's going to
41:05
Speaker 12: be back in court on July twentieth, Nancy.
41:09
Speaker 2: So he obviously is in his right mind, saying I
41:12
Speaker 2: don't know if I can afford that one point two
41:13
Speaker 2: million dollar mind or not, judge, he.
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Speaker 3: Clearly knows what's going on.
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Speaker 2: He was not out of his mind at the time
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Speaker 2: he gunned down a renowned Memphis surgeon, leaving a wife
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Speaker 2: and children now alone. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye,
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Speaker 2: s