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Ross Fulton Analysis: How Will Matt Patricia Change The Ohio State Defense? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: and ninety eight days. The game it gets Michigan in
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Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty nine days. Ohio State has hired
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Speaker 1: a new defensive coordinator and hoo boy, do people have thoughts?
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Speaker 1: Ross right now for coming on because Ross, the temperature
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Speaker 1: around the reaction to the Matt Patricia higher has been
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Speaker 1: at you know, at a boiling point or slightly higher
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Speaker 1: than that, for you know, almost immediately there were really
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Speaker 1: really strong reactions both pro and con. So we're going
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Speaker 1: to try and sort through this and figure out where
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Speaker 1: you know, yes, no, maybe, So we're going to start though,
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Speaker 1: just let's start with some background information on Matt Patricia.
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Speaker 1: Just scheme, you know, what is what is Matt Patricia's
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Speaker 1: specialty as a defensive coach. Does he have a special
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Speaker 1: you know, specific position group he specializes in. What does
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Speaker 1: a Matt Patricia Matt Patricia defense look like? Where, what
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Speaker 1: are his influences? Like? Give us some sort of background
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Speaker 1: information to sort of start with on him.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly recommend. He did a relatively recent podcast.
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Speaker 2: I guess it's on YouTube. You can find it with
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Speaker 2: Julian Edelman. Apparently Julian Edelman has his own podcast. It
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Speaker 2: was very interesting because it's starts out with them talking
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Speaker 2: about the history of Matt Patricia's time. I guess you'd
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Speaker 2: say with the Patriots, but the development of of the defense,
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Speaker 2: and you know, as you'd expect, there's a lot of
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Speaker 2: you know, Bill Parcells influence, Nick Saban, Romeo, Cornell Manginie,
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Speaker 2: like the list of all the Parcels people, right, it's
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Speaker 2: so you know, his background is as like mostly like
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Speaker 2: defensive line, like front So it does fit what we
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Speaker 2: talked about the last time. We're talking about the defensive
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Speaker 2: coordinator in terms of day looking to pair someone who
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Speaker 2: has who's you know, has a background and dealing with
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Speaker 2: defensive line in the front six with you know, having
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Speaker 2: Timbleton and mc geary as your secondary coaches who you know,
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Speaker 2: both not coincidentally also got at least title bumps, and
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Speaker 2: so you know in terms of like what they do again,
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Speaker 2: like I recommend that podcast because and this gets sense
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Speaker 2: of like part of the interesting part about the college is,
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Speaker 2: like I mean, they did so much it's hard to
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Speaker 2: even put there's there's not even a way to describe it. Really, Like, yes, Belichick,
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Speaker 2: like Nick Saban had was like traditionally like a three
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Speaker 2: down odd front, but like they played lots of four
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Speaker 2: to five. They would play one gap, they would play
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Speaker 2: one and a half gaps, they would play two gaps.
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Speaker 2: They would play one gap to one side and two
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Speaker 2: gap to the other side. They were they would play
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Speaker 2: every coverage you got. Like some I've seen people call
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Speaker 2: Matt Patricia like a cover one guy, he says in
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Speaker 2: the podcast, and like people have labeled him a cover
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Speaker 2: two guy at times. Like but as he talks about,
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Speaker 2: like it really was very personnel dependent for what they
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Speaker 2: had when they're at the Patriots, it was dependent, as
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Speaker 2: he talks about, like in terms of like both in
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Speaker 2: terms of like the strengths of their players, but also
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Speaker 2: like the experience levels of how much they could do
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Speaker 2: in the back end, and very matchup dependent, like you know,
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Speaker 2: against the Rams and the Super Bowl, like Belichick brand
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Speaker 2: a six to one front like pulled it out, you know,
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Speaker 2: because that was good against the Rams outside zone game
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Speaker 2: at the time. So like I think when you're coming
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Speaker 2: to college, like the real thing is like Matt patrition
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Speaker 2: that you know, YouTube would be like you know, they
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Speaker 2: have the playbook and then but then they also had
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Speaker 2: like what he called the Bible, which was like full
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Speaker 2: of every scheme known demand and some they came up
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Speaker 2: with in addition, so college like you can't you just don't,
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Speaker 2: Like it's not their full time job. They're younger, you
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Speaker 2: have less time. They're you know, part of why NFL
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Speaker 2: players are so good is like not just the physical traits,
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Speaker 2: it's like the mental aptitude for it as well. They're
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Speaker 2: they're younger, as I said, and like you just don't.
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Speaker 2: You know, wink More had some of this issues in
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Speaker 2: Michigan earlier in the season, where you know, he's trying
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Speaker 2: to run like a bunch of exotic third down pressures
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Speaker 2: that he ran with the Ravens and the Giants and elsewhere,
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Speaker 2: and like they were busting coverages and busting fits at
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Speaker 2: the front and like really paired that down by the
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Speaker 2: end of the season, but it took a little while
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Speaker 2: to get there. So like really a question of like,
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Speaker 2: you know, how do you make things work with college kids,
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Speaker 2: like in terms of like making the scheme something that's manageable,
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Speaker 2: and we can get into what I think that might
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Speaker 2: look like. And also though just like teaching, you know,
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Speaker 2: hasn't been in college for twenty five years, and so
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Speaker 2: it's just different, different than dealing with professionals.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that you were very active on
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Speaker 1: our board in the thread about this, we've kind I
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Speaker 1: kind of have a little bit of a cliff notes
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Speaker 1: on your thoughts on some of this stuff already. But
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Speaker 1: how does somebody you know, I mean, you said he
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Speaker 1: kind of does a little bit of everything, but you know,
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Speaker 1: how does some of the stuff that he does fit
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Speaker 1: with what they were doing at the end of last year,
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Speaker 1: which is, you know, that would at least give a
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Speaker 1: little bit of continuity in terms of scheme and that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And I assume with Tim Walton and
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Speaker 1: McCrary having some kind of a vote in this that
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Speaker 1: you would presumably have some continuity there.
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Speaker 3: How does that.
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Speaker 1: Mesh with the stuff that that Matt Krischel likes to do?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean again, like with Tim Walden Greerry getting
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Speaker 2: title bumps, you know, and I thought this going in
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Speaker 2: the whole time, like the one sort of thread between
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Speaker 2: at least some of the names that were rumored for
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Speaker 2: the job, like you know, you know how much was
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Speaker 2: real and not real?
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Speaker 3: But was they were all.
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Speaker 2: Kind of had backgrounds as like guys who'd coach defensive
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Speaker 2: line or linebackers and so much more of like the front.
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Speaker 2: And so I thought that there Ryan Day probably had
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Speaker 2: some interest in like continuity and what the High State
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Speaker 2: was doing in the back end, I mean certainly post
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Speaker 2: Oregon one game, and then you know, be able to
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Speaker 2: mix it up more upfront, like you know, Patricia used
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Speaker 2: lots of sim pressures you know, bring forward, but from
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Speaker 2: different guys, you know, fire zones, et cetera. Like he's
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Speaker 2: a two four, Like he'll again like move guys around
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Speaker 2: a little bit more, which again, like you know.
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Speaker 3: See how that works at college.
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Speaker 2: So I think there may be more continuity than one
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Speaker 2: might expect, you know, I mean, I think he'll he's
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Speaker 2: coached a lot of things, like he'll watch the tape
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Speaker 2: and see, like, Ohigh State did a lot of good
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Speaker 2: things last year, and like know that that's what you know,
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Speaker 2: what players can do to succeed.
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Speaker 3: But I think you'll see.
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Speaker 2: You know, the first the one thing that you can
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Speaker 2: you know, as he talks about in the YouTube video,
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Speaker 2: like the best, the the optimistic take, right is that
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Speaker 2: like the Patriots always use their personnel very well, like
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Speaker 2: they featured guys like he talks about like they got
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Speaker 2: Pat Chung and like suddenly they had a safety who
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Speaker 2: could cover, right, and that like change what they did
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Speaker 2: or they adjusted, they used a big nickel and so
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Speaker 2: like lots of matching personnel. So you know his first
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Speaker 2: task is going to be, like how do I maximize
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Speaker 2: Caleb Downs again? Right, Like that's like the crown jewel piece.
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Speaker 2: And so I would assume like you'll continue to see
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Speaker 2: lots of you know, using Downs at the second level,
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Speaker 2: using them like cutting crossers, you know, where he can
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Speaker 2: be active and like you know, because as well as
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Speaker 2: he can do it, like we saw this year, like
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Speaker 2: when Caleb Downs was just playing at the deep safety,
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Speaker 2: like lots of teams could just avoid him, right, And
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Speaker 2: so you want him to have an impact. But like
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Speaker 2: so again like everything they were doing, like they can
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Speaker 2: do like you know cover two, cover three three, matching,
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Speaker 2: cover four, every kind of different.
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Speaker 3: Types of matching.
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Speaker 2: But like as he talked about, like the other hopeful
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Speaker 2: thing you would say is that you know, as he
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Speaker 2: talks about on that YouTube video, like as I alluded to,
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Speaker 2: when they were a younger, less experienced defense, like they
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Speaker 2: played more kind of base zones, like less matching where
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Speaker 2: things could go wrong or you could have bus right
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Speaker 2: or like you know, kept things could cut things down
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Speaker 2: or like ramp things up, depending on the personnel they
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Speaker 2: had and the experience levels. And so you know, that
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Speaker 2: to me at least shows someone who is at least
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Speaker 2: self aware or trying to be that. You know, things
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Speaker 2: need to be adjusted based on your personnel and like
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Speaker 2: what your players can do.
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Speaker 1: And adjusting things to personnel is interesting, especially on the
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Speaker 1: front end of the defense because the Ohio State has
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Speaker 1: been a four down team for basically the length of
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Speaker 1: Larry Johnson's time, even probably going back before that.
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Speaker 3: To a certain degree.
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Speaker 1: But Ryan Day has it's sort of been talked about
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Speaker 1: that Ryan Day was considering maybe looking at more of
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Speaker 1: an odd front look. And this is Matt Patricia, as
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Speaker 1: you said, is something of an odd front guy. So
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Speaker 1: what are you expecting the defensive front to look like
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Speaker 1: this year or you know, and I guess part of
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Speaker 1: that question is what do they have the personnel to do?
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Speaker 1: If they if they do a good job of adjusting
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Speaker 1: to the personnel, what does the personnel that they have,
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Speaker 1: what would that be suggestive in.
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Speaker 3: Terms of what they might be looking to do?
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Speaker 2: This well, yeah, I mean again, like as we've discussed
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Speaker 2: post that first organ game, right, like they were a
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Speaker 2: four down two using lots of odd front or gap
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Speaker 2: and half principles. Right, we're in touch about like heavy techniques, lagging,
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Speaker 2: spilling the football outside. So like in some ways that
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Speaker 2: battle was like already fought and like may have left
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Speaker 2: Jim Knowles as a casualty in terms of like his
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Speaker 2: desire to continue on. But like they did those things
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Speaker 2: in the you know, in the second half of the season.
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Speaker 1: The the.
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Speaker 2: What I would say is like in terms of personnel,
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Speaker 2: they're obviously pretty thin at defensive line, right, they do
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Speaker 2: have a big, big nose tackle and Kate McDonald, who
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Speaker 2: like gives you the opportunity to to gap some stuff
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Speaker 2: at nos if you wanted to do that, like the
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Speaker 2: Patriots did for a long time with Vince wolf Fork.
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Speaker 2: They have Edric Houston who got to play a lot
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Speaker 2: as a true freshman, and you know, they have some
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Speaker 2: possibilities of guys who could be more of edge or
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Speaker 2: hybrid type.
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Speaker 3: So I would I would.
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Speaker 2: Expect, just like I expect to Janole's going next year,
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Speaker 2: to be honest, like you see more of a mix
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Speaker 2: and match up fronts. You know, some four down stuff,
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Speaker 2: some three down stuff, but like the principles remain the
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Speaker 2: same either way in terms of like, you know, how
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Speaker 2: you're trying to spell the football or lag or you know,
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Speaker 2: play gap in half and cancel off blocks rather than
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Speaker 2: trying to penetrate in the backfield up front.
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Speaker 1: One of the things that's gotten talked about a bunch,
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Speaker 1: and this may have come up in that podcast. I
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Speaker 1: have not listened to that one yet, but it is
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Speaker 1: next done. My list is he spent the last year
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Speaker 1: sort of studying the college game with Bill Belichick, and
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Speaker 1: Belichick of course now is at North Carolina, and the
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Speaker 1: natural question is why didn't he bring Matt Patricia with
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Speaker 1: his defense as his defensive coordinator And the answer is
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Speaker 1: because he has a son who he brought as a
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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. But what kind of things do you have
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Speaker 1: any idea of what kind of things that they learned
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Speaker 1: about studying the college game in the last year, or
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Speaker 1: you know, big takeaways in terms of hey, this is
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Speaker 1: not going to work, this is going to work, or
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Speaker 1: hey you have to do things a lot differ, Like
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Speaker 1: what was there any any kind of indication on what
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Speaker 1: his big takeaways were from his year, you know, studying
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Speaker 1: up in the Alps with Bill Belichick looking at college film.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have not heard, but I think that I think,
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Speaker 2: you know, again, honestly, fan should be heartened by the
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Speaker 2: fact they like put that time and effort and like
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Speaker 2: that's a lot of you know, defensive experience putting their
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Speaker 2: heads together. But you know it's going to be the
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Speaker 2: things like that we talked about, and like these are
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Speaker 2: the challenges that again like a wink Martin Dale, just
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Speaker 2: as a more most recent example, like you face, like
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Speaker 2: different hash marks are a big deal, right, like the
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Speaker 2: the college hash marks where you have a much more
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Speaker 2: significant difference between the field and the boundary, Like that
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Speaker 2: makes a big difference and you have to adjust to
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Speaker 2: that obviously, Like you're just dealing with a lot of
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Speaker 2: the time, like a very different quarterback level, both just
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Speaker 2: in terms of like you know, how much you can
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Speaker 2: be threatened vertically, but also like you know, the the
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Speaker 2: use of the quarterback run game. That's obviously more prevalent
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Speaker 2: in the NFL than it probably even was when he
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Speaker 2: was with Belichick with the Patriots, less so when he
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Speaker 2: was the head coach of the lines, but that's obviously
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Speaker 2: become more of it, but it's still different, right and
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Speaker 2: you know, so you know there's just less volume in
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Speaker 2: college football. You know, you just really get your sort
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Speaker 2: of like standard you know, run game, like not a
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Speaker 2: lot of like pro style stuff like you get. So
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Speaker 2: there's just there's differences, and like again, I think that
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Speaker 2: a lot of it will be like how can we
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Speaker 2: stream how can I streamline things in a.
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Speaker 3: Way that works for college players?
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Speaker 2: How can I like emphasize the fundamentals that I need,
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Speaker 2: And then like how can I maximize my talent? As
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Speaker 2: I said, Like the good thing is like, oh, High
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Speaker 2: State obviously loses a lot of players, but they have
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Speaker 2: Caleb Downs back, and they have other guys who are
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Speaker 2: sort of like those hybrid types that they had a
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Speaker 2: lot of success with at the Patriots.
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Speaker 3: Whether it's like sort of.
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Speaker 2: A outside linebacker defensive end edge type, you know, like
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Speaker 2: a Sunny Styles, whether it's a Gale Downs or like
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Speaker 2: having a you know, different variations of Nickels that you
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Speaker 2: can use, whether it's like sort of like a linebacker
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Speaker 2: safety hybrid or a corner hybrid. So I think you'll
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Speaker 2: just see a lot of that, you know, personnel focus
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Speaker 2: as well.
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Speaker 1: I wanted to before we get to the final question,
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Speaker 1: which is I'm going to ask you for to sort
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Speaker 1: of settle the debate in terms of disaster, Grand Slam
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Speaker 1: or somewhere in between. Before we get to that, I
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Speaker 1: do want to just kind of level set for people
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Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, because I'm not sure people have
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Speaker 1: completely moved on from twenty twenty four, which is great,
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Speaker 1: like by all means, enjoy the national championship for a
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Speaker 1: little while longer. It feels to me like the twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty four Ohio State defense might be the best Ohio
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Speaker 1: State defense people will see indoor lifetime, or at least
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Speaker 1: in a generation, or at least in a decade, or
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Speaker 1: certainly at least in the next twenty four months or so.
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Speaker 1: Just the combination of veteran players all being back third
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Speaker 1: year with a very good defensive coordinator, like, you're almost
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Speaker 1: guaranteed to see a drop off this fall. And that's
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Speaker 1: true whether you brought Jim Noles back, whether you bring
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Speaker 1: in Matt Patricia, or whether you hire whoever else anyone
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Speaker 1: else wanted to hire as a defensive coordinator. I mean,
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Speaker 1: help am I am I off on anything? There is
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Speaker 1: that a what is a realistic expectation for is is
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Speaker 1: absolutely they can maintain this level no problem, or you know,
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Speaker 1: is this maybe going to be you lose eight starters,
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Speaker 1: many of whom are fourth year guys, plus you're changing
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Speaker 1: your defensive coordinator, like prepare yourself. The defense might be
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Speaker 1: slightly less amazing this year.
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Speaker 2: And that's okay, Yeah, I mean I think that's a
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Speaker 2: realistic expectation, right, Like they have enough pieces that they
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Speaker 2: should still be very good. And again it gets to
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Speaker 2: like there's sort of this dichotomy of pre and posts
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Speaker 2: that organ game in terms of the defense, and even
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Speaker 2: then it was like kind of up down, So like
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Speaker 2: you know, in theory, I guess in a the optimistic
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Speaker 2: take is that like Matt Patricia sort of doubles down
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Speaker 2: on some of the stuff that I felt were missing
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Speaker 2: at times for all the Higho State defense for whatever reason,
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Speaker 2: like whether that was the lack of continuity on the
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Speaker 2: defensive staff or you know, but you know, more more
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Speaker 2: sim pressures, more fire zones, more variation, you know, more
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Speaker 2: techniques up front, they'll let you play with split safeties,
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Speaker 2: you know, more odd frond stuff. So you know, if
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Speaker 2: you have that that there. You know, I think they
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Speaker 2: have the pieces. I think, you know, I'll get The
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Speaker 2: biggest question to me with the defense is up front,
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Speaker 2: just in terms of depth especially and like maybe maybe
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Speaker 2: defensive end I think, like outside of Kenyatta Jackson is
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Speaker 2: kind of a question mark. But like you know, I guess,
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Speaker 2: on a lighter note, I'll leave people with the fact
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Speaker 2: that one thing he does talk about in the YouTube
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Speaker 2: video is that when he's had the Patriots, when they
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Speaker 2: had handsy defensive backs, they would tape their hands or
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Speaker 2: in practice, So Davis and Ibanson can probably expect to
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Speaker 2: have like a lot of masking tape on his hands
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Speaker 2: throughout the spring.
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Speaker 1: Well, that'll be fun. We'll try and get some get
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Speaker 1: some good photos and video of that if whenever we're
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Speaker 1: in practice this spring. All right, we did Tony German
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Speaker 1: and I did a live show, sort of an instant
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Speaker 1: reaction show, and the comments were not quite evenly split split,
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Speaker 1: but fairly split between this is a total disaster and
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Speaker 1: the worst hire in the history of American employment, and
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Speaker 1: this is going to be amazing, and it's you know,
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Speaker 1: this is a guy who was a multiple time defensive
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Speaker 1: coordinator on a Super Bowl winner and all that kind
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Speaker 1: of stuff. So with one being total disaster and ten
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Speaker 1: being a grand slam ross, give us your final grade
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Speaker 1: on this, and this will be this will be something
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Speaker 1: that we mentioned on every show moving forward. Go ahead.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think I'm probably somewhere in the middle.
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Speaker 2: Like I I have to say that, like we'll see
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Speaker 2: how it goes, which is like obviously always the most
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Speaker 2: annoying thing that people say because obviously none of us
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Speaker 2: know how it's going to go and anything in life.
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Speaker 2: But you know, I think I've given some cases for optimism.
18:13
Speaker 2: Like I know people have sort of jumped to like
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Speaker 2: the Nick Saban coordinate, you know, head former head coach
18:19
Speaker 2: rehab program. But I do think there are some similarities
18:22
Speaker 2: in the sense that when Sabin would bring in those
18:25
Speaker 2: guys like you know, Bill O'Brien, Yeah, you know, Sarkesian,
18:28
Speaker 2: et cetera, Like there was a lot of there was
18:31
Speaker 2: a lot more continuity than change in what Alabama was
18:34
Speaker 2: doing offensively, and like I do think that there is
18:38
Speaker 2: going to be that similar framework in place, Like you know,
18:42
Speaker 2: maybe they don't do the three high stuff, but that
18:44
Speaker 2: was like only like a fraction of what they were doing, right,
18:47
Speaker 2: But I just think, especially with like the Walton and
18:51
Speaker 2: gear Bumps in like titles, I just think there's going
18:54
Speaker 2: to be a lot more continuity. As I said, I
18:58
Speaker 2: think that, like you know, Patricia, he's obviously like a
19:02
Speaker 2: divisive figure, Like you know, I see people wonder how
19:04
Speaker 2: he'll teach other.
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Speaker 3: People, Like he's great at fundamentals, you know.
19:07
Speaker 2: I saw Bobby Carrmenter, who played for him, like speak
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Speaker 2: his praises highly, like you know, none of us short
19:13
Speaker 2: of people who played for him or worked with him,
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Speaker 2: can really speak to it like that. I do think
19:19
Speaker 2: that this is going to probably be I think it
19:22
Speaker 2: is similar to the Nick Saban situation or the Chip
19:25
Speaker 2: Kelly situation, where like I think this is like you know,
19:29
Speaker 2: Chip Kelly came in, he ran Ryan Day's offense, which
19:33
Speaker 2: a little bit different situation because like that was their
19:36
Speaker 2: offense together. He put his own pieces or you know,
19:41
Speaker 2: flavor to it, and his goal was to succeed and
19:44
Speaker 2: get back to the NFL. And I think that's probably
19:47
Speaker 2: true with Matt Patricia. As I said, I think he'll
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Speaker 2: try because he's done so much and he's been pretty
19:52
Speaker 2: flexible in his career. I think, you know, I keep
19:54
Speaker 2: saying I think you'll see a lot of continuity. Again,
19:57
Speaker 2: I think it's just a question of like how you know,
19:59
Speaker 2: it's w thing to study it, Like how do you
20:01
Speaker 2: adjust to the college game.
20:02
Speaker 3: How does the staff work together?
20:04
Speaker 2: I mean I think sitting here today, I personally still
20:07
Speaker 2: don't know whether Larry Johnson is going to be back
20:09
Speaker 2: or not.
20:10
Speaker 3: You know, how does that all work together?
20:13
Speaker 2: Obviously, like there was like Jim Knowles left for a reason,
20:17
Speaker 2: and you know, how does this back end situation work
20:21
Speaker 2: with you, Patricia, I think he'll you know, in an
20:24
Speaker 2: ideal world, as I said, there's lots of community there.
20:27
Speaker 2: He gets to really focus on like game plans and
20:30
Speaker 2: like you know, diversifying what they do up front and
20:33
Speaker 2: mixing up the pressure schemes more particularly, they're going to
20:36
Speaker 2: need that for the reasons we talked about with like
20:39
Speaker 2: less being able to you know, for all the flat
20:42
Speaker 2: that they took like JG. Twomlow and Jack Sawyer created
20:45
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure and we're pretty you know, exemplary
20:49
Speaker 2: players at defensive end over their careers for estates. So
20:52
Speaker 2: they're going to need to be able to sort of
20:54
Speaker 2: generate pressure for more for more angles. So I think
20:58
Speaker 2: it's just like sort of I was not expecting that
21:01
Speaker 2: him to be like, you would never have gotten Matt
21:04
Speaker 2: Patricia's name out of me, you know, a week ago,
21:06
Speaker 2: and he asked me like possibilities another are like when
21:08
Speaker 2: people are like the sky's falling, like they no one
21:12
Speaker 2: can give me, like who would have been their ideal choice?
21:15
Speaker 3: Right?
21:15
Speaker 2: And so it's like I just I don't and I
21:17
Speaker 2: can't sit here and say like X, Y or Z
21:20
Speaker 2: is perfect. I've had people throw names of me that
21:22
Speaker 2: I think, you know, for a variety of reasons, like
21:25
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that would have worked.
21:26
Speaker 3: It would have been a change in scheme.
21:28
Speaker 2: I think this way, you're sort of bringing in, like
21:30
Speaker 2: on top of this staff dynamic, someone who has some
21:33
Speaker 2: gravitas and has the NFL background, you know, that sort
21:36
Speaker 2: of brings a you know, an adult to the room
21:39
Speaker 2: for lack of a better term, and let's you know,
21:42
Speaker 2: Ryan Day focus more back on the offense with this
21:47
Speaker 2: younger staff with Brian Hartline is basically a new play
21:49
Speaker 2: caller for the first time, and so I think it's
21:54
Speaker 2: sort of there's a mushy middle here.
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Speaker 1: Well, boy, it was gonna be an interesting spring and
22:02
Speaker 1: now It's going to be a super interesting spring. You're
22:04
Speaker 1: gonna have all sorts of questions around Brian Hartline and
22:07
Speaker 1: when is he gonna start calling plays? And is he
22:09
Speaker 1: gonna be calling the offense all spring? And then now
22:11
Speaker 1: you've got the defensive side of the bowl and how's
22:13
Speaker 1: that all going to fit together? And what's the defense
22:15
Speaker 1: going to look like? And how's the personnel going to
22:17
Speaker 1: fit and who's gonna be ill man? Is there gonna
22:19
Speaker 1: be a lot to talk about? I can't wait. This
22:21
Speaker 1: is going to be a really really fun spring. And
22:24
Speaker 1: for everyone who is really really just desperately angry or
22:28
Speaker 1: upset about this, I'll remind you two things.
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Speaker 3: Go back and listen.
22:31
Speaker 1: Ross is not jumping off the roof yet, So that's
22:33
Speaker 1: probably a good sign. If you're a smart football friend
22:35
Speaker 1: is not jumping off the roof, you should probably not
22:36
Speaker 1: jump off the roof either. And number two, it has
22:39
Speaker 1: been three weeks and three days since How's It won
22:41
Speaker 1: the national championship. You can you're allowed to just enjoy
22:43
Speaker 1: that a little longer before you start worrying about whatever's
22:46
Speaker 1: coming next.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, and I will say I was jumping.
22:49
Speaker 2: I was pretty negative on when Ryan day hired Carrien Combs,
22:54
Speaker 2: and I mean at that point, I felt like most
22:57
Speaker 2: of the fan base was the opposite way, like, oh great,
22:59
Speaker 2: we got you know, buck guy who's a you know,
23:01
Speaker 2: raw raw guy. And I was like, well, the scheme wise,
23:03
Speaker 2: this could be so I am certainly I think Matt
23:06
Speaker 2: Patricia is far removed from that situation.
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Speaker 1: All right, well there you go, even more reason for optimism.
23:12
Speaker 1: Why don't you celebrate the hiring of Matt Patricia with
23:15
Speaker 1: a nice dinner at Jeff Ruby Steakhouse, the award winning
23:18
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23:21
Speaker 1: the top fifty fifty steakhouses in America. Buy Food Network again.
23:25
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day is coming, Matt Patricia is coming to town.
23:29
Speaker 1: Lots of reasons to celebrate at Jeff Ruby's Columbus. Go
23:32
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Speaker 1: menu and make a reservation for today. That'll do it
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Speaker 1: for today. Thank you guys all for joining us. Have
23:39
Speaker 1: a great day.
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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you tomorrow.