Latest / Boozy Banter with Friends / Infested with Demons

Transcript

Infested with Demons · Boozy Banter with Friends

• 0:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello and welcome to Boozy Banter with Friends.
• 0:12
  Trisha Smith: Join us this week as we explore the supernatural,
• 0:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: With the little sass,
• 0:18
  Trisha Smith: The unexplained,
• 0:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: And a side of snark,
• 0:20
  Trisha Smith: And tales of other worldly shenanigans,
• 0:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: Grab your favorite spirit and join me, Leyla,
• 0:26
  Trisha Smith: And me, Trisha and meet us on the other side.
• 0:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hello,
• 0:40
  Trisha Smith: Hi.
• 0:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: What's going on?
• 0:44
  Trisha Smith: Not much what's going on with you?
• 0:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Freezing, freezing, freezing,
• 0:50
  Trisha Smith: Cuz it's winter,
• 0:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: In Florida, which means when it gets cold enough that you they post a risk of falling iguanas, it's panic weather.
• 1:06
  Trisha Smith: True, that is true. Floridians freak out more about the cold weather than they do hurricanes for sure.
• 1:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's a true statement. What they put out the warning about falling iguanas?
• 1:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh no, it's the apocalypse.
• 1:21
  Trisha Smith: Nobody go out.
• 1:21
  Trisha Smith: Nobody go out
• 1:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: Falling iguanas.
• 1:24
  Trisha Smith: Oh my gosh. Why is it cold at 50 degrees in Florida. But you can go up north and it's like 40, and you're like, well, i'll need a sweater.
• 1:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: I will say,
• 1:35
  Trisha Smith: Is it a psychological thing?
• 1:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's a different type of cold.
• 1:39
  Trisha Smith: Oh no,
• 1:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's a dry cold,
• 1:41
  Trisha Smith: It's totally dry right here,
• 1:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: We have still a humid humid cold,
• 1:49
  Trisha Smith: And there you go.
• 1:49
  Trisha Smith: That's how Floridians justify being cold in the winter. I was gonna do another warm cocktail.
• 2:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: It would have been appropriate,
• 2:01
  Trisha Smith: Right, but you know I didn't,
• 2:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean that's sometimes that's just to much
• 2:06
  Trisha Smith: You have to be in the right you gotta be in the work.
• 2:07
  Trisha Smith: right mood for a warm cocktail, but I did this morning because it was so chilly, the first thing I did was check the wait times at Disney because you know in my house,
• 2:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: How many crazy people are gonna be out today?
• 2:22
  Trisha Smith: Evidently all of them because,
• 2:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: What?
• 2:25
  Trisha Smith: Wait times are ridiculous,
• 2:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh my god.
• 2:28
  Trisha Smith: Right, so but it got me thinking about one of our favorite cocktails,
• 2:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Which you are the one who told me about said cocktail years and years ago.
• 2:38
  Trisha Smith: Yes, years ago we started drinking this at one of the resorts.
• 2:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: We used to go a lot,
• 2:43
  Trisha Smith: We did,
• 2:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: A lot.
• 2:46
  Trisha Smith: So, we used to go all the time for Halloween remember?
• 2:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: Evey, every year that was our, that was our thing.
• 2:52
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 2:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: It got me out of the house for the trick or treaters.
• 2:54
  Trisha Smith: Not buying you some damn candy go drink around the world.
• 2:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Fuck you and your candy knocking on the door.
• 3:03
  Trisha Smith: So you know I had grand plans to recreate this cocktail.
• 3:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: When you told me about it. I was like, I was so, I got super excited,
• 3:14
  Trisha Smith: Until you realized,
• 3:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's an interpretation.
• 3:20
  Trisha Smith: Were gonna call it the poor man's version of, Smoked Turkey from Disney World.
• 3:22
  Trisha Smith: Because number one it called for Wild Turkey. That's why it's called the Smoked Turkey.
• 3:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: Uh huh.
• 3:33
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I didn't have Wild Turkey. So I use town branch and their bourbon is delicious,
• 3:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: Delicious,
• 3:39
  Trisha Smith: Like it works just as well,
• 3:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: It does. I will say that I have had like that Wild Turkey special something or other and it was good.
• 3:51
  Trisha Smith: Um, I only I've only had their American Honey they're regular and I like it.
• 3:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Next time I come across the fancy bottle of Wild Turkey I'll pick it up so that way we can sample it but,
• 4:04
  Trisha Smith: Try it out.
• 4:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: It was actually not I was I was literally surprised.
• 4:08
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 4:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: I was like oh, smooth.
• 4:11
  Trisha Smith: Well, I didn't have that. But I did grab it also calls for Red Stag Black Cherry Bourbon, which is by Jim Beam.
• 4:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: I did not know there was a black cherry bourbon.
• 4:24
  Trisha Smith: I did not either but I grabbed a bottle so we might have to use it other things. I know at Epcot, you can get a black cherry lemon or red stag lemonade I think is what's called,
• 4:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh, I remember that.
• 4:37
  Trisha Smith: This with lemonade. And you can get that at it at somewhere, I can't remember where.
• 4:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Didn't they introduced that one year for food and wine?
• 4:44
  Trisha Smith: They did and then they kept it,
• 4:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Because it was so popular probably.
• 4:48
  Trisha Smith: Right and so, you know, I bought I have that and so all it calls for is Wild Turkey Bourbon, which I didn't have, the Wild Stag which I bought, grenadine, lemonade. I used Publix lemonade, and,
• 5:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: As you should,
• 5:03
  Trisha Smith: And then it calls for which I did not read the recipe that well. It called for that Hickory Smoke syrup.
• 5:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 5:11
  Trisha Smith: And I'm like what the actual hell,
• 5:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: We had to google that,
• 5:14
  Trisha Smith: I had to Google.
• 5:14
  Trisha Smith: And of course, I did not have that. I didn't even have liquid smoke anything to like, recreate. I could of smoked the bourbon. But you know, it wasn't bad.
• 5:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 5:23
  Trisha Smith: We might have to do that, the next episode something smoky.
• 5:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 5:26
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, I didn't have all those things and then to top it all off, I went to go buy Luxardo cherries, and almost died when I saw how much they were.
• 5:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know, I will fully admit that it has been a while since I've bought Luxardo cherries.
• 5:45
  Trisha Smith: Yes.
• 5:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: But I remember, even the last time I bought them, I remember them being pricey,
• 5:53
  Trisha Smith: But reasonable.
• 5:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: For the container, but not pricey enough to where I'm like, I'm not doing I think it was in like the maybe 17, $18 range where you're like, Oh,
• 6:07
  Trisha Smith: This is a lot but,
• 6:08
  Leyla Zmeskal: They're Luxardo's,
• 6:09
  Trisha Smith: They're worth it.
• 6:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 6:11
  Trisha Smith: Tack $10 on to that,
• 6:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: What the what!
• 6:16
  Trisha Smith: Right. And so I'm like, I can't do it. So needless to say my, Smoked Turkey recipe became more of a non turkey, non smoked,
• 6:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: Non representation.
• 6:33
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 6:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: But you know what?
• 6:35
  Trisha Smith: It's still tasty.
• 6:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's still tastes great.
• 6:38
  Trisha Smith: So I just use bourbon, black cherry bourbon, grenadine and lemonade. And I threw some of those spice cherries in there, and it was delicious.
• 6:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Did you throw bitters in there?
• 6:48
  Trisha Smith: Oh, yes. Spice cherry bitters.
• 6:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 6:50
  Trisha Smith: I added a little couple dashes of spice cherry bitters.
• 6:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 6:54
  Trisha Smith: And it's good,
• 6:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: I will say it's good though.
• 6:56
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 6:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: I will say a good it's good.
• 6:58
  Trisha Smith: I'm emjoying it. I don't know what I'm gonna call it really does. It's kind of poor man's versions kind of hokey.
• 7:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 7:04
  Trisha Smith: But I don't have a name and the recipe will be up on our instagram.
• 7:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: We'll think of something creative. The one legged turkey or something.
• 7:14
  Trisha Smith: Last night, I texted you. I'm like, watch The Conjuring.
• 7:18
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 7:19
  Trisha Smith: Did you watch it?
• 7:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: I did today. In between the first class and the second dog class. I watched it today.
• 7:28
  Trisha Smith: I turned it on.
• 7:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: I watched like,
• 7:32
  Trisha Smith: I've seen it so many times.
• 7:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, I did, too.
• 7:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: I did too. But I turned it on.
• 7:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: And everything was very familiar.
• 7:37
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 7:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: So I remember when that movie first came out, though. In 2013.
• 7:44
  Trisha Smith: What?
• 7:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, it was 2013 when that movie came out.
• 7:48
  Trisha Smith: Why does it seem like it hasn't been out very for very long.
• 7:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: I don't know.
• 7:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Maybe because they've had so many like they had the conjuring two.
• 7:57
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 7:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: And then they had the Conjuring, you know, what?
• 8:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: Something about that?
• 8:02
  Trisha Smith: That's the newest one.
• 8:04
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's the newest one so I mean, there's been like,
• 8:06
  Trisha Smith: The devil made me do it.
• 8:07
  Leyla Zmeskal: The devil yeah, there's been like three Conjurings and on top of the conjuring there's the and all the Annabel's and the Nun.
• 8:15
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 8:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: Worked in to the whole series. Like when you texted me or like the very, you said, watch the very first movie in the conjuring universe.
• 8:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Technically, that's the Nun,
• 8:26
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 8:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: Like I mean, they're not if you're going to go by chronological, You know.
• 8:31
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 8:32
  Trisha Smith: Order.
• 8:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Order of, you know, the Nun is actually the first one that pops up so you're, I said the Nun or the Conjuring, you're like,
• 8:41
  Trisha Smith: Conjuring.
• 8:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay,
• 8:43
  Trisha Smith: The very first one to come out.
• 8:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 8:46
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 8:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: Right.
• 8:47
  Trisha Smith: So but it's still good. Like, it's one of those movies that hasn't lost its edge over the like some movies that came out. They were scary and now that you've seen them a few times. You're like, eh,
• 9:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah,
• 9:01
  Trisha Smith: But this one's still like it's still scary.
• 9:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's still good.
• 9:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: And I remember after I first watched that, I didn't really know a lot about the Warrens.
• 9:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: But I remember watching that movie and I really liked the two characters that portrayed the Warrens,
• 9:16
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 9:17
  Leyla Zmeskal: I really liked it.
• 9:18
  Trisha Smith: And the guy is from that. What was the movie?
• 9:23
  Trisha Smith: Insidious?
• 9:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh,
• 9:25
  Trisha Smith: He was the dad.
• 9:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, yes.
• 9:27
  Trisha Smith: Insidious. Yes.
• 9:27
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 9:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah.
• 9:29
  Trisha Smith: And I don't remember what I saw her in before.
• 9:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think she's been in some stuff.
• 9:34
  Trisha Smith: She's been in so much.
• 9:35
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. But I just like their chemistry together,
• 9:38
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 9:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: I would say and I just remember like, after I saw that movie, I just was like, I really liked the who they got to portray. I just like the chemistry. I liked. The kids like I just really liked the overall movie.
• 9:52
  Trisha Smith: Right. And the mom in that movie, was in a movie
• 9:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: She's been around for a while.
• 10:00
  Trisha Smith: Was it The Haunting? Where the okay has Liam Neeson action guy, years ago.
• 10:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Doesn't matter where you go,
• 10:14
  Trisha Smith: It was him, he was in he rents this or he's in this huge like English mannor, any brings in like five?
• 10:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh yes, yes, yes!
• 10:26
  Trisha Smith: What was it called and it had, Owen Wilson.
• 10:29
  Leyla Zmeskal: Oh my god yes.
• 10:32
  Leyla Zmeskal: And you know it's one of those movies that has been remade so many times.
• 10:36
  Trisha Smith: Right, but she was in that Eleanor I think.
• 10:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: She was Eleanor,
• 10:41
  Trisha Smith: In that movie,
• 10:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 10:43
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 10:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: The Haunting on the,
• 10:46
  Trisha Smith: it's not the House on Haunted Hill.
• 10:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay it wasn't that, but it was something similar to that.
• 10:51
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, like the haunt. I don't know what it was, Haunting or,
• 10:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: You're right.
• 10:57
  Trisha Smith: So yeah that's what I remember her from.
• 11:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: I forgot all about that until you just said, I was like holy crap she was Eleanor.
• 11:04
  Trisha Smith: Right and it had what was the other lady
• 11:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: Was it Catherine Zeta Jones?
• 11:09
  Trisha Smith: Yes. Which, you know,
• 11:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: She like kind of fell off like we don't see her in shit anymore.
• 11:15
  Trisha Smith: Well actually I did, did ever watch that TV show, Prodigal Son?
• 11:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes,
• 11:21
  Trisha Smith: She's in like the later like, the last season, she's been another doctor in the prison that manipulates the dad or the dad manipulates her or whatever. But,
• 11:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: I watched like the I think the first season maybe like a little bit into the next one. But then I kind of like fell off of it.
• 11:40
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, she shows up in that series. So yeah, You'll have to re-watch that. We have talked
• 11:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Maybe I need to revisit that series.
• 11:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: about these movies quite a bit.
• 11:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: Maybe not on the podcast so much. But in like just between us. We've talked, Oh, absolutely.
• 11:55
  Trisha Smith: All these different Conjuring movies, which led us into talking about the Warrens, and some of their other cases.
• 12:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 12:03
  Trisha Smith: And you just recently did another story back in December that shared a name with a movie,
• 12:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Amy Allen my favorite. Yeah, my, one of my favorite shows that I love watching Dead Files. She actually was part of a case that, you know, investigated, like a spin off of like one of the Warren's case files,
• 12:26
  Trisha Smith: Right, right, which was ,The Haunting in Georgia. But the story the Warrens were associated with was, The Haunting in Connecticut, which was also a movie.
• 12:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 12:39
  Trisha Smith: And you looked into that story?
• 12:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. It's gonna tell you about the Snedeker family today.
• 12:45
  Trisha Smith: Tell me about it.
• 12:45
  Trisha Smith: I mean, I've watched the movie.
• 12:48
  Trisha Smith: And it's weird. You know, the movie is about this family that moves to this house that used to be a mortuary, like a funeral home and mortuary and the son who has cancer is getting treatments and he starts exhibiting signs of possession within this house, you know, there's and they talk about all the past of the house and this boy that used to be like a medium and you know, he finds out all the stuff about it. So how close to the Snedeker family story? Is that movie version?
• 13:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well.
• 13:29
  Trisha Smith: Does it just touch on it? Is it just loosely based on a true story,
• 13:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's loosely based I mean, it was originally portrayed as, a based on, however, of course, with being in the movies, a lot of the really truly outrageous stuff like the bodies in the wall, you know, that's obviously was just for the movie, that didn't really happen. Her being almost killed by the shower curtain did not really happen. The house wasn't burned down to the ground, the walls didn't bleed.
• 14:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: And you know, so there's a lot of that really, super, super
• 14:01
  Trisha Smith: What?
• 14:04
  Trisha Smith: outrageous stuff was obviously thrown in by the, by the production company and by the writers to make the movie sound, you know, obviously more scary.
• 14:12
  Trisha Smith: However, the more I started digging into it, the more I started, it was like a rabbit hole. And then you were like, Oh, this is interesting. Then you went down at it a little further and then a little further and then a little further and then you're like, Whoa, I just want to ask you one question before we begin.
• 14:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hey, Trisha.
• 14:37
  Trisha Smith: What?
• 14:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: How do snails fight?
• 14:44
  Trisha Smith: How?
• 14:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: They slug it out.
• 14:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: You knew it was gonna happen sooner or later.
• 14:51
  Trisha Smith: I know. But,
• 14:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: Just want to know, just want to get that in before I tell you about the Snedekars.
• 14:58
  Trisha Smith: Every time I'm like maybe she'll forgot.
• 15:03
  Leyla Zmeskal: Like, I know you were trying to like, move us along pretty quickly and you're like, maybe if I don't give her an opportunity, she'll not do it this time. Nope. It will always happen.
• 15:14
  Trisha Smith: You're on to me.
• 15:15
  Leyla Zmeskal: Maybe. So I'm going to tell you about them.
• 15:22
  Leyla Zmeskal: Supposedly, what happened to the Snedekar's in 1986, when they moved from Northern New York in to what appeared to be a lovely old's house was like a house duplex. I just want to say in South Southington, Connecticut, like you just said, was the inspiration for the 2009 movie, The Haunting in Connecticut. So Alan and Carmen Snedeker had fallen on some hard times financially, and they needed to be close to the hospital, which their oldest son Philip was being treated for Hodgkin's lymphoma. So I guess they were going to the hospital of Yukon or something. And they were making this commute. And it was just starting to really take a toll on them. So they just needed to make that decision to just to move closer to the hospital for his treatment. They thought they found the perfect house, which was like I said, actually a duplex in on 208 Meridian Avenue, they thought it was perfect. The rent was cheap.
• 16:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: The space was big enough for their three sons, who were 13, which Philip was the oldest 11 and three, and they also had a six year old daughter. And then later on two nieces would move in with them. So to accommodate all of them. They there was a basement and they're like, Oh, well, we'll just put some kids in the basement and make that you know, a room so that way, it has room for everybody. So it's debated, whether the Snedekar's knew that they were moving into a former funeral home or not.
• 17:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: And I'll get into that debate later. They however, have always insisted that they did not. But some neighbors and the previous owners that house stated that they didn't know what the home had been used for prior to them moving in. So when they moved in, in the basement, they found some leftover things from the funeral home.
• 17:24
  Trisha Smith: Oh,
• 17:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. So apparently in the basement, they found a casket lift that still worked, a medical gurney to put the bodies on, bloodstains, a drain in the floor for fluids, and maybe a toe tag or two.
• 17:45
  Trisha Smith: Oh,
• 17:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: You know, it's a Funeral Home,used toe tag.
• 17:52
  Trisha Smith: How long had it been since the house was a funeral home?
• 17:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's a good question. I I read like a lot of different things.
• 18:02
  Trisha Smith: Okay.
• 18:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: And I don't think in all of the things that I've read it said like the timeline from when it was a funeral home to the time the Snedekers moved in.
• 18:11
  Trisha Smith: Oh, okay.
• 18:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: So that was that's a good question. And I mean, I like looked on many, many like it's, I can't cite any while I will later on one for one specific reason. But I can't cite like any like, source because I've just read it so many things. The basement was sectioned off into several rooms, and was the only space like I said was large enough for the two older boys to stay. So it said that they turned the once coffin display room of the old Halahan Funeral Home into their bedroom.
• 18:52
  Trisha Smith: What?
• 18:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean, if you think about a coffin display room, that's probably the nicest room down there.
• 18:59
  Trisha Smith: Probably, now, it,
• 19:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: We'll turn the nicest room don't worry. No, you got to stay down here in this creepy ass area. But we're going to turn the nicest room into your bedroom.
• 19:10
  Trisha Smith: Now, if it's a duplex how was it divided up?
• 19:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think it was like a huge from the pictures.
• 19:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: It looks like a huge huge house.
• 19:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay, so it looks like maybe the bottom level and the basement were considered,
• 19:26
  Trisha Smith: A one.
• 19:26
  Leyla Zmeskal: One and then the upstairs was considered a separate unit.
• 19:31
  Trisha Smith: Okay,
• 19:31
  Leyla Zmeskal: That's what I'm, that's what I'm gathering.
• 19:33
  Trisha Smith: That makes sense.
• 19:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay. So of course, not long after they started. They moved in they started experiencing strange things within the house. Carmen would say various items would disappear. Phillip would hear voices and strange sounds, and he said he saw shadow figures.
• 19:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: Even a man wearing a pinstripe suit with white hair that would stare at him while he was trying to sleep. So at first the Snedeker's is dis dismissed a Philips claims as you know, side effects from the cancer treatments that he was going through. But not long after his personality started drastically change it said he was considered like one one of the many articles that I read like he was, he would was like a preppy dresser. So, all of a sudden, he started wearing only dark clothing on, as someone who wears dark clothing, constantly, I really don't think that's the thing, but whatever.
• 20:38
  Leyla Zmeskal: If I ever turned preppy, you need to worry. Maybe that's the core logic, I don't know. But on top of the the change in attire, he would also have violent outbursts and he started to attack his family out of nowhere. He started writing dark and disturbing poetry. That was pretty graphic. They said, when you think dark and disturbing poetry that's disturbingly graphic. That's what he was writing about in a former funeral home. I just want to say that right? You can put all that together in your mind. And he also started playing cruel jokes on his family, he would lock his little brother in a chest and forget that it even happened. It is said that he even broke into a neighbor's house to steal a gun, so he can shoot his stepdad. Obviously, his behaviors really turning violent,
• 21:42
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 21:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: Until one day the violent episodes went too far, and he attacked his cousin and tried to rape her.
• 21:49
  Trisha Smith: Ah, what?
• 21:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: So it is said that at that time, the police were called and he was arrested and he was taken to a facility where he spent 45 Days and was diagnosed with schizophrenia. So it said that when Philip was out of that house, the dark forces within it turned their attention to the rest of the family. The older children also began seeing ghosts, hearing footsteps, crucifixes that were hung around the house began to disappear.
• 22:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: The family would frequently complain of foul odors of like rotting flesh and poop, or excrement or whatever you want, poops.
• 22:35
  Trisha Smith: From humans or from people or from dogs? Humans are humans,
• 22:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: Peoples or dogs.
• 22:40
  Leyla Zmeskal: We could just say excrement.
• 22:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'll just cover everything.
• 22:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, so one day, while Carmen was mopping the floor, she said that the water literally turned blood red right before her eyes.
• 22:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Lights would flicker on and off even if the light bulbs were unscrewed. I guess it got to a point where they would happen so often that Alan unscrewed the light bulbs but didn't take them out. And that still didn't stop the light bulbs from glowing.
• 23:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Soon the activity escalated and became physical. One night while sleeping Carmen's nice was physically assaulted, something groped and grabbed at her body ripping the rosary off her neck.
• 23:23
  Leyla Zmeskal: Carmen reported being repeatedly brutally raped, and acts of sodomy were being performed on her husband again by unseen forces. So with the escalation of this violent activity in the family continuing to see the white haired man now Carmen has actually seen that white haired man in the pen suit, pinstripe suit that Phillip originally seen, and she also saw another man with long black hair and black eyes. So she's like, I think there's something going on in this house. We made need to do something, and she did.
• 24:07
  Trisha Smith: What they do?
• 24:09
  Leyla Zmeskal: Out of desperation, the Snedeker is reached out to paranormal investigators, Ed and Lorraine Warren. You may have heard of them.
• 24:19
  Trisha Smith: Just a little.
• 24:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: So by the time the Warrens were well known for their involvement with another little case known as the Amityville horror case, and of course, they agree to investigate. So in case you've been living under a rock and you don't know about the Warrens. Ed Warren is a self taught and self professed demonologist, author, and lecturer while Loraine was a clairvoyant and light trance medium, so along with their team of investigators and their nephew, John Zaffis, which I'm like I have seen him on like the Discovery Channel. So I was like, Holy crap, I didn't know that he was their nephew. They literally moved into the homes for Snedeker's house for weeks.
• 25:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think like nine and a half weeks or nine weeks or something, to document all the activity that was happening. And of course, members of the team experience some of the activities that the Snedekers experienced, including smelling those vile odors, and some of them were slapped and even pushed, it said. So John Zaffis remembers one night he was sitting at the dining room table. He was going over some notes. When he said this, the room suddenly grew cold, not just like, oh, it's drafty in here. He said it was like bitterly like, I couldn't see my breath cold.
• 25:59
  Trisha Smith: Wow. Okay.
• 26:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: And then he said he can sense a present all presence all around him. He tried to call out to the others who were sleeping in the living room, but of course, no one would wake up. So he said, he looked up the stairs and saw an apparition begin to form. He said that the air was filled with incredibly disgusting odor that made it really hard for him to breathe. He said, as the apparition took shape. He could hear what sounded like 1000s of wings coming from behind it. And that was actually one of the claims that the Snedekers heard like, it would just sound like 1000s of birds taking flight at once.
• 26:44
  Trisha Smith: Hmm, okay,
• 26:45
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay. So as the apparition approached him, he said the apparition said, "Do you know what they did to us? Do you know?" So Zaffis was so freaked out that he ran to the house and it's, he said that he wouldn't return for like three days or talk to anybody about what happened to him. I mean, I, I guess, you know, being brand new and like, you know, experiencing something like that even though you're Ed and Laureen Warrens nephew, you think that you would know what they do. He said it was so freaked out that he couldn't talk about it. However, he did go back, and he did continue to work on the case because he said that the family needed help. So the Warrens investigated the history of the house and discovered that the morticians that work there performed necromancy and infused the home with a deep evil. Oh, and the same mortician participated and was found guilty of necrophilia.
• 27:48
  Trisha Smith: Ew,
• 27:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hmm. So with that, the house was deemed infested with demons and the Warrens are rated the entity within the house on a scale of one to ten they rated it a nine.
• 28:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: So it's like a really bad one.
• 28:09
  Trisha Smith: Really bad.
• 28:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: It's really bad.
• 28:10
  Leyla Zmeskal: And they said that, you know, your shit needs to be exercised, according to Carmen and Zephyrus Zaffis. To priests they had visited the home became so frightened that they left so they're like, we out this is, this is too much. However, a third priest was finally to rid the house of the evil that, you know, resided there, however, it took three hours to do the exorcism.
• 28:39
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 28:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: And then after the exorcism, the house was considered cleared by the Warrens. This house is clear. I couldn't, I'm sorry, I couldn't resist that.
• 28:52
  Trisha Smith: Wrong movie.
• 28:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: I know, I couldn't resist it though. And the Snedeker said that the house felt lighter, and everyone had like a sense of calm and relief.
• 29:02
  Leyla Zmeskal: The Snedekers actually lived in that house for a total of two and a half years.
• 29:11
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 29:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: And then they moved to Tennessee. The Snedeker children all grown up and they have kids of their own. Carmen Snedeker is now Reed, and she became a spiritual advisor.
• 29:29
  Trisha Smith: She was that,
• 29:30
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well I'll talk about that later in a little bit,
• 29:33
  Trisha Smith: Okay.
• 29:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Philip Snedeker actually did die of cancer, in July of 2012, and he was only 38 years old.
• 29:42
  Trisha Smith: Wow, that's young.
• 29:43
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 29:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. So you may be asking yourself, how much of the story is actually true? So when asked John Zaffis, who is So Garten did as he was told to, and used what he now a paranormal consultant, since being trained by his aunt and uncle, It's all true. He said that he never experienced any of the things he's or he's never experienced any of the things that he saw in the nine and half weeks while it worked in the case, like it was like the worst, the worst. And everything that he's seen since pales in comparison to that.
• 30:19
  Leyla Zmeskal: However, others might tell a different story, especially Ray Garten, who is the author of, In A Dark Place, The Story of a True Haunting. He did an interview with damnedct.com. And he really had a lot to say about the whole ordeal. Garten was hired by the Warrens to work with the Snedekers and write the true story of their experiences within the house. So when he started talking to the family and started gaining all this information, you know, he quickly realized that there was a problem, something wasn't quite right. He found that when could and just made up the rest.
• 30:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: It said that, you know, he was he talked to the Snedekers individually, their stories didn't quite fit. Like something, like not gelling up here. It was almost like they couldn't remember what the story was. They couldn't keep it straight. So he's like, Hey, I, something's weird here. So he went to Ed with this problem.
• 31:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: And Ed said, Oh, they're crazy.
• 31:24
  Leyla Zmeskal: You got some of the story. Just under contract. He didn't have the money to get out of the use what works and make up the rest. Just make it up and make it scary.
• 31:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: contract. So he just did what he was told to do. Garten started on the book in 1991, and it had been years after the events supposedly happened. And he claims that at the time, the family was a mess, and there was obvious problems that weren't related to the supernatural at all. He said Carmen was running an illegal interstate lottery scam, which she didn't like him finding out about and asked him not to mention it in his book.
• 32:25
  Leyla Zmeskal: He never met Philip, but he was allowed to talk to him on the phone. But as soon as Philip started talking about the things he saw the house went away after he been on medication, Carmen quickly ended the conversation.
• 32:42
  Leyla Zmeskal: The Warrens kept telling Garten that they had video of all the supernatural activity taken in the house, and they were going to show it to him, but the Warrens said they couldn't find it.
• 32:58
  Trisha Smith: Oh,
• 33:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: Zaffis has also said, there is definitely documentation and proof of all the paranormal activity, but the production company owns all of it.
• 33:12
  Trisha Smith: Okay.
• 33:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: So Garten was never able to see the inside of the house because it was a few years later, and the people currently living in the house at the time, wanted nothing to do with any of this. They said that there were no problems in the house, at all. And the Warrens just have like, like this is all been made up.
• 33:35
  Trisha Smith: Okay.
• 33:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: Because of that, you know, the Warren said that the reason why these current people aren't experiencing anything in the house, is because the house was cleaned by the priests that performed the exorcism. This guy is like, this all sounds fishy to me. So Garten reached out to other writers who were hired by the Warrens, and he said that their experiences were almost identical to his and Garten wasn't the only one to be skeptical of the story.
• 34:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Investigative journalist Joe Nickell, looked into the Snedekers background and he thinks obviously the story was all made up to gain media attention. He even went to, he went on talk shows trying to debunk the story when it first came out, including quoting Snedekers neighbors, who claimed that it was all faked, and the paranormal activity could be explained away. Let's talk a little bit about the Snedekers.
• 34:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay. So they have told their story many times
• 34:41
  Trisha Smith: Okay, on the talk shows, and even in a Discovery Channel show, the Snedeker's landlord found the whole thing ridicious. She said that nobody before or after or experienced anything unusual in the house. She said that the Snedekers did in fact know that it was a formal funeral home before they moved in. Nearly everybody in the neighborhood knew and it wasn't a secret. It said that there was even an old sign with the name of the funeral home engraved on it just inside the entrance. And the Snedekers are like, well, maybe so, but it was covered up with a piece of plywood and we didn't see it. Like, I'm sorry, if I'm touring a house to think about moving in. I be like, what's behind the piece of plywood?
• 35:39
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 35:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean, to me,
• 35:40
  Trisha Smith: Is there a hole in the wall,
• 35:41
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, but it said that they never went down to the basement.
• 35:47
  Trisha Smith: Okay, if the basement though is part of the duplex part,
• 35:52
  Leyla Zmeskal: Wouldn't you look at it?
• 35:53
  Trisha Smith: Yeah, you would definitely check it out to make sure you had enough bedrooms for all your damn kids.
• 35:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: So here's something interesting. The landlord said that the supernatural problems didn't start until the Snedeker fell behind on the rent and moved out just before they we're about to get evicted. A neighbor who lived upstairs from the Snedekers said that she's never heard or seen anything paranormal in the building. And another neighbor said that they were planning this right from the start of moving in. Like they,
• 36:31
  Trisha Smith: They already knew what they wanted to do. Wow,
• 36:34
  Leyla Zmeskal: Many people knew the Snedekers and said Carmen made up the whole story for financial gain, and of course, there were certainly money to be had. It's claimed that the Snedekers knew about the Lutz family and Amityville who had made a lot of money selling the rights to the true story of their haunted house. They went on many TV shows with the Warrens to promote the book that Garten wrote, and with the book about the experiences in the house, the Discovery Channel came out with that reenactment of the story. And of course, a few years later after that, a movie, as we know, was based called The Haunting in Connecticut later, not around the time of the movie, it said that Carmen would write her own true story along with Zaffis.
• 37:28
  Leyla Zmeskal: Carmen Snedeker is now Carmen Reed. She says she's a spiritual advisor, and that she's always been gifted, and her sensitivities increased because of the paranormal forces she encountered inside the house.
• 37:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: She's got a website and I viewed the website, but I couldn't get anywhere on the website because it would just every link you clicked sent you to the movie.
• 37:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: But I did see like where her website promotes paranormal investigators including Zaffis and also promotes her touring lectures about hauntings. John Zaffis continues to give credibility to the story, associating himself as the lead investigator in the case and claims that he was always the lead investigator even though when Ed and Lorraine Warren contracted Garten to work on the book, they made it clear that he was not really an investigator.
• 38:37
  Leyla Zmeskal: He's only there to learn the business. Now,
• 38:46
  Trisha Smith: Yeah,
• 38:47
  Leyla Zmeskal: I'm sure there were probably some were things that happened in the house.
• 38:52
  Trisha Smith: Well, yeah,
• 38:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Especially after being a funeral home.
• 38:55
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 38:55
  Leyla Zmeskal: There's odd noises.
• 38:58
  Trisha Smith: And they're, they have the basement level as well.
• 39:01
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, the basement.
• 39:02
  Trisha Smith: And basements are always weird, basements are weird.
• 39:05
  Leyla Zmeskal: And that part was the funeral home.
• 39:06
  Trisha Smith: Right. And they smell funny. And it's dark. And yeah, basements are creepy.
• 39:13
  Leyla Zmeskal: As fuck sometimes.
• 39:14
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 39:14
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah. But just nothing like the Snedekers claim. I don't think.
• 39:19
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 39:20
  Leyla Zmeskal: I think that, especially when the Warrens got involved. A simple haunting just spiraled out of control and became a way to make money especially with the claims of demons. And the supposed a dark history of the home. All I'm gonna say is that there is no fucking way I would stay in a house. Even if I was broke, penniless, nowhere to go. Had to live on the streets. I'm not gonna stay in a house where demons are raping me.
• 39:57
  Trisha Smith: I'm not laughing about that.
• 39:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: And sodomized my husband.
• 40:00
  Trisha Smith: Right. It's just why, you know, I understand the financial aspect of it when you have children and all that, but you're being if you are being physically attacked,
• 40:12
  Leyla Zmeskal: Violently,
• 40:13
  Trisha Smith: Violently, who's to say and sexually attacked,
• 40:16
  Leyla Zmeskal: Sexually.
• 40:17
  Trisha Smith: How do you know that's not happening to your kids? I've been getting the hell out?
• 40:21
  Leyla Zmeskal: Well, the nice claims that, you know, she was touched by unseen forces.
• 40:27
  Leyla Zmeskal: However, later on, in one of the, one of the articles that I read it, Philip did confess,
• 40:38
  Trisha Smith: To doing that, to his neice?
• 40:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: Being the one to do the one to do and that too, is nice. He says that oftentimes he would, he would excuse he would like not be caught. So,
• 40:48
  Trisha Smith: Wow.
• 40:49
  Leyla Zmeskal: I mean, he almost raped her and was arrested. So that's not far fetched that he was doing that, and it just escalated to that point.
• 40:59
  Trisha Smith: Right.
• 41:00
  Leyla Zmeskal: So I think that there's a I do think that the some of the things happened. But I also think that it was completely may gotten out of control and just kind of escalated. And, you know, I mean, there was a lot more. I mean, that from there, it kind of went in on a lot of the things that I read went into the Warrens. And it was interesting, their progression. And I think that maybe we should maybe do a episode dedicated to the Warrens and,
• 41:36
  Trisha Smith: I agree,
• 41:36
  Leyla Zmeskal: How they got their start in their evolution.
• 41:38
  Trisha Smith: I agree. And I'm going to tell you why. I agree.
• 41:43
  Trisha Smith: We should do that.
• 41:44
  Leyla Zmeskal: Okay.
• 41:45
  Trisha Smith: I also have a story.
• 41:46
  Leyla Zmeskal: I know.
• 41:48
  Trisha Smith: It's also an Ed and Lorraine story.
• 41:53
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes,
• 41:53
  Trisha Smith: Yeah.
• 41:54
  Trisha Smith: I got another family. So I'm going to talk
• 41:54
  Leyla Zmeskal: I can't wait to hear it.
• 41:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: about that next week.
• 41:58
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yes.
• 41:59
  Trisha Smith: Then I'm going to tell you why we should talk about Ed and Lorainne, because when you hear my story, and then you think about your story, you're gonna be like,
• 42:06
  Leyla Zmeskal: And the movie we watched today?
• 42:07
  Trisha Smith: And the movie watch today. I think you're going to be like ah,
• 42:11
  Leyla Zmeskal: Ah I see a pattern here.
• 42:13
  Trisha Smith: I need to know more about the Warrens so. So next week, I will tell you about this Smurl family. And then we will get in to the big giant Warren universe because it's huge. I mean, you there's a lot to talk about when it comes to them.
• 42:33
  Leyla Zmeskal: Yeah, that's a whole episode of its own.
• 42:35
  Trisha Smith: Absolutely. But next week, we'll start with the Smurl's.
• 42:39
  Leyla Zmeskal: I like that.
• 42:40
  Trisha Smith: All right, well, let's get another cocktail,
• 42:43
  Leyla Zmeskal: Shit yeah, I felt like I talked forever.
• 42:47
  Trisha Smith: Alright, until next time,
• 42:48
  Leyla Zmeskal: Cheers.
• 42:49
  Trisha Smith: Cheers.
• 42:50
  Leyla Zmeskal: Hey, like what you hear,
• 42:52
  Diane Black: Check us out on Instagram,
• 42:53
  Trisha Smith: Or send us a message at Boozy Banter with Friends.com
• 42:57
  Leyla Zmeskal: Thanks for listening.
• 42:58
  Trisha Smith: Until next time,
• 42:59
  Leyla Zmeskal: Late-a.