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The Bolt Report | 25 August · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Kiss the Report.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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  Speaker 2: James Macpherson. Coming up tonight. Anthony Albanesi hosts a productivity
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  Speaker 2: roundtable one day and tells employees to stop working the
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  Speaker 2: next we'll discuss that shortly, Taiwan warns Australia that China
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  Speaker 2: wants to take over the world, even comparing their tactics
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  Speaker 2: with the Nazis. Greg Sheridan will join me with the
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  Speaker 2: details plus shocking scenes emerged from the so called peaceful
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  Speaker 2: protests at the weekend, and we'll cross to the UK
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  Speaker 2: where hotel operators are being told they need to house
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  Speaker 2: migrant criminals. That a little later in the hour, but first,
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  Speaker 2: nominations for New South Wales Women of the Year are open,
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  Speaker 2: so grab your pen, fill in that nomination form and
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  Speaker 2: don't forget to include your nominees' achievements, contributions to sciet
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  Speaker 2: and most importantly, how convincingly they can say I'm a
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  Speaker 2: woman with a straight face. This year's categories include the
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  Speaker 2: Premier's Woman of Excellence, as well as the Aboriginal Woman
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  Speaker 2: of the Year, Regional Woman of the.
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  Speaker 3: Year and Young Woman of the Year.
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  Speaker 2: But before you rush to nominate your mum or your
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  Speaker 2: sister for a woman's award. There's probably a question you
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  Speaker 2: should ask first of the New South Wales government what
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  Speaker 2: is a woman? I know how very nineteen fifties of me,
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  Speaker 2: But in New South Wales, as in most Australian states,
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  Speaker 2: the definition of a woman is no longer as clear
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  Speaker 2: as it used to be, which brings me to last
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  Speaker 2: Thursday's New South Wales Budget Estimate hearing, during which Shooters,
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  Speaker 2: Fishers and Farmers Party MP Robert Borsack sought clarification from
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  Speaker 2: Minister for Women Jody Harrison.
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  Speaker 4: Is it the position that a man who identifies as
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  Speaker 4: a woman, a transwoman is eligible to ender and participate
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  Speaker 4: in the twenty twenty six New South Wales Women of
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  Speaker 4: the Year Awards.
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  Speaker 5: All women can be eligible to be nominated.
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  Speaker 2: Well that's great, but that wasn't the question, was it.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, all women can be eligible to be nominated
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  Speaker 2: for the women's awards, But what about men who identify
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  Speaker 2: as women, which is an entirely different category, despite the
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  Speaker 2: current fashion of collapsing reality into identity.
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  Speaker 4: So you're saying trans women can be eligible to be
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  Speaker 4: nominated and awarded The New South Wales Women of the Year,
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  Speaker 4: the Premiers Women of the Year of Excellence, Community hero All.
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  Speaker 5: Women are eligible to be nominated and be awarded those categories.
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  Speaker 2: Don't you love how the New South Wales Minister for
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  Speaker 2: Women pretends like she doesn't know what.
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  Speaker 3: Is being got at here?
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  Speaker 2: But here's the funny part, And by funny, I mean
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  Speaker 2: the kind of funny that makes you check the expiring
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  Speaker 2: date on Western civilization. Watching that, I just realized the
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  Speaker 2: reason I can't nominate my dad for New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: Woman of the Year. It's because he lives in Queensland.
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  Speaker 2: But for a quirk of geography, he'd been outstanding New
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  Speaker 2: South Wales Woman of the Year. When it comes to
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  Speaker 2: crowning the New South Wales Woman of the Year, your
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  Speaker 2: chromosomes are not nearly as important as your postcode, it
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  Speaker 2: turns out.
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  Speaker 3: But back to the budget estimate hearing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, is it not absurd situation that a biological man
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  Speaker 4: who identifies as a woman could potentially be announced on
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  Speaker 4: the fifth of March twenty twenty six awards event as
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  Speaker 4: the twenty twenty six New South Wales Woman of the Year.
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  Speaker 3: Well, as I said to.
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  Speaker 5: It's the view of this government that all women should
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  Speaker 5: be able to be nominated and to be awarded if
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  Speaker 5: they meet the standards that are needed to achieve these awards,
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  Speaker 5: that they be rewarded for that.
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  Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the standards, but do this standards Women of
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  Speaker 2: the Year award nominees are required to meet include, you know,
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  Speaker 2: being an actual woman.
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  Speaker 5: Well, there is a very robust process for assessing the
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  Speaker 5: winners of each of those categories. And you know, I
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  Speaker 5: think in the past we've had some amazing women recognized
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  Speaker 5: through the Women of the Year awards, and I think
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  Speaker 5: we'll continue to.
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  Speaker 4: Are you saying that in the future we're going to
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  Speaker 4: have some amazing men as women.
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  Speaker 3: Robust processes?
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  Speaker 2: The nomination criteria for New South Wales Women of the
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  Speaker 2: Year is about as robust as the renewable energy claim
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  Speaker 2: that it's the cheapest form of energy.
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  Speaker 3: So let me get this straight.
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  Speaker 2: I would be ineligible to be nominated as New South
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  Speaker 2: Wales Indigenous Women of the Year, not because I'm a man,
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  Speaker 2: but because I'm not indigenous. And I'd be ineligible to
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  Speaker 2: be nominated as New South Wales Young Woman of the
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  Speaker 2: Year not because my birth certificate says I'm male, but
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  Speaker 2: because it says I'm too old On and on, these
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  Speaker 2: monty pythonesque responses continued until finally we got this admission.
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  Speaker 5: If they live and are accepted as a woman by
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  Speaker 5: that community, they'll be eligible for that award.
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  Speaker 4: So you don't think it's absurd that.
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  Speaker 1: They would get that award.
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  Speaker 3: Personally, you don't.
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  Speaker 4: Think it's absurd for a man to get.
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  Speaker 3: A woman's award.
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  Speaker 5: It's a woman getting a woman's award.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's absurd that these people are running the
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  Speaker 2: state of New South Wales. But welcome to New South Wales,
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  Speaker 2: where the government can't say what a woman is but
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  Speaker 2: will enthusiastically hand out trophies for being one. It's progress, apparently,
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  Speaker 2: or at least it identifies as progress. But here's what's
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  Speaker 2: truly surreal to me. The only person defending women at
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  Speaker 2: the New South Wales Budget Estimates hearing was a bloke,
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  Speaker 2: one man trying to hold the line while female ministers
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  Speaker 2: in the men's Labor government stood politely by while their
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  Speaker 2: own sex was redefined out of existence. And yet we're
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  Speaker 2: told the Liberal Party has the women problem. But don't worry,
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  Speaker 2: the madness isn't confined to New South Wales. Columbia, a
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  Speaker 2: country famous for their women this week appointed a man
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  Speaker 2: who identifies as a woman to be their Vice Minister
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  Speaker 2: for Women. Charlotte Snyder Calages has a background in biochemistry
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  Speaker 2: from the University of Havana's biology faculty. You can't make
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  Speaker 2: this stuff up, but I guess it makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Who would know more about women's rights than a man
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  Speaker 2: who desperately wants to be a woman. Here is Columbia's
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  Speaker 2: Vice Minister for Women.
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  Speaker 1: Director Minister did Oi ben to Novimbreko memoriamos.
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  Speaker 2: Now if you thought that was peek satire, Scotland said,
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  Speaker 2: hold my gen neutral beer. The Edinburgh Fringe Festival gave
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  Speaker 2: its prestigious Best Comedian award to British trans woman Sam
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  Speaker 2: Nickereste is some of Sam's award winning performance, in which
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  Speaker 2: he ridicules the idea that biological men should be excluded
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  Speaker 2: from women's sports.
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  Speaker 1: Look at these trans women. That's I'm good at throwing.
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  Speaker 6: I've got an unfair physical advantage.
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  Speaker 1: I thought old vitter.
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  Speaker 7: Thoughts for someone has an unfair physical advantage.
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  Speaker 1: That's not my scene. Is someone's born with good knees
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  Speaker 1: and then they win.
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  Speaker 3: Right if I'm in a race with you?
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  Speaker 8: Saint Bowl I'm not studing the lall.
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  Speaker 7: This isn't very run faster.
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  Speaker 3: Than the.
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  Speaker 1: One person range nine of professional sorts players or losers
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  Speaker 1: for a living and who heard me say it?
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  Speaker 2: Organizers of the Edinburgh Cringe Sorry Fringe Festival describe Sam
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  Speaker 2: Nicresti's routine as being and I quote packed with relatable
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  Speaker 2: set pieces that linger long after Sam as a fresh,
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  Speaker 2: bright voice that we need in twenty twenty five, really
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  Speaker 2: packed with relatable set pieces relatable to whom a small
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  Speaker 2: number of biological men who demand the right to use
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  Speaker 2: women's private spaces Comedy Award indeed well to celebrate Sam
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  Speaker 2: Nickoresti took a photo of himself in a women's toilet,
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  Speaker 2: giving the middle finger to anyone who might object. I
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  Speaker 2: actual women, with the caption this is my gender recognition certificate,
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  Speaker 2: and I suppose in a way it is. The middle
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  Speaker 2: finger has become the unofficial flag of the trans movement.
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  Speaker 3: Hasn't it a defiant salute.
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  Speaker 2: To reality, biology and women who dad ask whether or
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  Speaker 2: not they still matter. It's almost like trans idy logs
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  Speaker 2: know that America under Donald Trump isn't playing the game anymore,
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  Speaker 2: so they've doubled down everywhere else, but maybe, just maybe
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  Speaker 2: it's time for the rest of us to stop nodding
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  Speaker 2: along politely as men collect awards meant for our mothers
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  Speaker 2: and daughters and sisters. And perhaps one day soon we'll
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  Speaker 2: return to a time when being a woman meant more
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  Speaker 2: than just saying the word. Until then, best of luck
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  Speaker 2: at the New South Wales Women's Awards, Dad, just make
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  Speaker 2: sure you move to New South Wales to ensure you're
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  Speaker 2: eligible to qualify. Well, only in Australia could a Prime
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  Speaker 2: minister host a three day productivity summit and then immediately
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  Speaker 2: tell Australians to stop working.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, that's really what happened.
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  Speaker 2: After three days of handwringing about how to lift output
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  Speaker 2: and fix the economy, Anthony Albenezi ran to social media,
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  Speaker 2: grinning like you just solved the energy crisis, to boast
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  Speaker 2: about his new right to disconnect law. Because nothing says
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  Speaker 2: let's boost productivity like making it legally fraught to send
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  Speaker 2: a text message after five pm. You couldn't write satire
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  Speaker 2: this good.
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  Speaker 3: Happy Friday, Australia.
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  Speaker 2: This is your reminder that the right to disconnect is
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  Speaker 2: now law.
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  Speaker 3: Have a great weekend.
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  Speaker 2: So, after three days of labour pretending to care about business, inflation,
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  Speaker 2: output and reform. Then with the summit over, they dropped
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  Speaker 2: the mask and reveal what they're really about. Few hours
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  Speaker 2: less work, more regulation and total submission to the unions
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  Speaker 2: Labours disconnect law effectively means a small business owner can't
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  Speaker 2: even message someone on a Sunday without first getting legal advice.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to fixing a sluggish economy, nothing works
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  Speaker 2: better than legislating to ensure people are doing even less.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying we need to work ourselves to the grave,
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  Speaker 2: but Australia was built by people who didn't need a
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  Speaker 2: government permission slip to put in a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: extra effort. Joining me now as former Victorian Liberal Party
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  Speaker 2: president Michael Kroger and former Labor Senator Stephen Conroy, gentlemen, welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Assistant Minister for Productivity Andrew Lee posted this photo on
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  Speaker 2: social media, captioned and I'm quoting him three days in
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  Speaker 2: a windowless room debating economic policy. For an economist MP,
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  Speaker 2: nothing beats rolling up the sleeves with smart people to
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  Speaker 2: figure out how to boost productivity. Wow, three days in
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  Speaker 2: a windowless room with sleeves rolled up. Michael Kroger, what
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  Speaker 2: do we get for all of Andrew Lee's blood and
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  Speaker 2: sweat and hard work.
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  Speaker 9: Well, I don't think we've got much at all, to
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  Speaker 9: be honest, James. You know you talk about the building
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  Speaker 9: industry and labor have changed this deposit scheme today. Look,
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  Speaker 9: record numbers of construction companies have gone broke, record numbers
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  Speaker 9: of builders have gone broke in this country over the
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  Speaker 9: last few years. The country is drowning regulations. They've delayed
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  Speaker 9: the implementation of the National Code.
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  Speaker 3: But the building.
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  Speaker 9: Industry, for example, if you can have a three day conference,
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  Speaker 9: should be a central focus of that conference working at
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  Speaker 9: how you can deregulate the building industry. I know a
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  Speaker 9: lot of builders. They just say building is too hard,
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  Speaker 9: too many rules, regulations, councils, government work, cover insurance, tax unions,
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  Speaker 9: et cetera, et cetera. It goes on and on and on.
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  Speaker 9: The stress of built suffering by builders is immense. So
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  Speaker 9: you should start where it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Andrew Lee.
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  Speaker 9: What sits in a five star room with you know,
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  Speaker 9: waiters bringing in a coffee and tea and sandwich, and
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  Speaker 9: he thinks he's rolled up his sleeves. No, mate, Andrew,
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  Speaker 9: get out into a building site and see what's really happening,
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  Speaker 9: my friend, then you'd understand the place is stuffed. The
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  Speaker 9: building industry is stuffed in this country, and no amount
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  Speaker 9: of changes the deposit scheme are going to make more
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  Speaker 9: houses built because it is overregulated and that's what's killing
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  Speaker 9: the industry.
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  Speaker 3: Stephen, what did you make of the summit?
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  Speaker 2: I felt like they were really just warming us up
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  Speaker 2: to the idea that taxes will increase and there'll be
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  Speaker 2: some new taxes to boot.
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  Speaker 10: Tragically, never went into politics, and I said, actually, genuine
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  Speaker 10: I think it's a tragedy for the Liberal Party. Michael
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  Speaker 10: didn't get there because he would have been able to
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  Speaker 10: make all of those points at the summer. I'm sure
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  Speaker 10: he would have been invited, but there was no one
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  Speaker 10: Liberal party raising any of the points Michael just raised.
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  Speaker 10: No one that I know in the Liberal parties promising
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  Speaker 10: to repeal the right to disconnect. This was a bill
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  Speaker 10: passed for the last election. Liberals didn't promise to repeal
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  Speaker 10: it during the election. They're not promising to repeal it now.
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  Speaker 10: So I'm just surprised that you're so focused on it
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  Speaker 10: because it appears to have bipartisan support. I think the
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  Speaker 10: way you've characterized the legislation is a little unfair. I
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  Speaker 10: think Australians deserve the right to not be bombarded by
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  Speaker 10: emails right through their weekend with people expecting them to
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  Speaker 10: reply and deal with them and have them finished by
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  Speaker 10: Monday morning. So I think the vast majority of Australians
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  Speaker 10: would welcome this, and it certainly was an election issue
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  Speaker 10: that Liberals ran on and have promised to change.
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  Speaker 3: Today.
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  Speaker 2: I just struck by the irony that right after the
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  Speaker 2: Proactivity Commission, that's what the Prime Minister is promoting. And
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  Speaker 2: we all got on quite fine before the Government got
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  Speaker 2: involved in when your boss could and could not contact you.
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  Speaker 2: Want to move on to another issue in Canberra today,
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  Speaker 2: Nationals MPs have taken to the Parliament floor in support
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  Speaker 2: of Barnaby Joyce's bill to ditch net zero. Barnaby Joyce
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  Speaker 2: is arguing it makes no sense for Australia to pursue
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  Speaker 2: Net zero if the world's major emitter's aunt cyrus about it.
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  Speaker 3: Here he was on Sky this morning.
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  Speaker 6: We have a cost of living crisis. We are putting
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  Speaker 6: people into their cars, we have record insolvencies in small
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  Speaker 6: business and this is on the merry path to Net zero, which,
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  Speaker 6: of course in here it's marvelous. You don't pay for
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  Speaker 6: the lights, I don't pay for the phone, you don't
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  Speaker 6: pay for now you probably get paid. Well, I don't
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  Speaker 6: pay for my car. It's a wonderful place. I can
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  Speaker 6: make a lot of them sense out of net zero here.
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  Speaker 6: But if I'm running a business and having to pay
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  Speaker 6: for the power bill, or I've been put out of
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  Speaker 6: my house because I can't afford the power, or we
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  Speaker 6: have transmission lines going all over your property in your
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  Speaker 6: house and surrounded by intermittent power precincts, and then having
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  Speaker 6: to think that a billionaire is lining their pocket with
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  Speaker 6: the returns from this, but you can't see them because
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  Speaker 6: they're a secret. Is there any other solution but to
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  Speaker 6: get out in at zero?
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  Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, I reckon every view would absolutely identify with
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  Speaker 2: what Barnaby Joyce said there. His bill comes after the
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  Speaker 2: Queensland LMP voted in their annual conference last week to
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  Speaker 2: scrap net zero. Surely this puts a lot of pressure
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  Speaker 2: on Susan Lee to ditch the net zero policy adopted
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  Speaker 2: by Scott Morrison back in twenty twenty one, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 9: Well, it puts increasing pressure on the MPs when state
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  Speaker 9: divisions vote that way, of course, But I think Dan
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  Speaker 9: teen was absolutely right today when he asked for the
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  Speaker 9: modeling to be released, because the average punctre out there
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  Speaker 9: has no idea where they we're going to reach this
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  Speaker 9: take or not, or how you get to these targets,
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  Speaker 9: the calculations, what does it all mean? You know, the
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  Speaker 9: average person has one percent of the knowledge about this.
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  Speaker 9: All I know is that there's a slogan net zero,
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  Speaker 9: which the majority of the country agrees with. And if
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  Speaker 9: Barnaby and the others are going to try and win
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  Speaker 9: a national argument on one of the Labor Party's top
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  Speaker 9: brand equities, which is the environment, then they're going to
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  Speaker 9: have to go detail by detail to explain to people
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  Speaker 9: why this target's not going to be met, why it
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  Speaker 9: should be dumb. So that's why I think for any
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  Speaker 9: mature debate to take place, you need to know what
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  Speaker 9: the modeling is. And Tea and was absolutely right about that.
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  Speaker 9: You cannot have a debate like this in a vacuum,
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  Speaker 9: and that's what we have at the minute.
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  Speaker 3: We have a total vacuum.
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  Speaker 9: About the likelihood or otherwise of getting to net zero.
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  Speaker 3: Well, speaking of vacuum.
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  Speaker 2: Steve and the Opposition don't really have a policy yet,
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  Speaker 2: so they can hardly attack the government's energy policy when
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  Speaker 2: they don't have a policy at all. Albin Ezy and
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  Speaker 2: Bowen are getting a free ride on this issue, aren't they.
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  Speaker 10: Look there's some truth in that, but I think to
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  Speaker 10: be fair to the opposition, that were only three or
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  Speaker 10: four months after the election, and it is hard when
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  Speaker 10: you've had a thumping lost like they've had, and I've
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  Speaker 10: had thumping losses when I was in government to regroup
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  Speaker 10: so quickly, So it's fair for season and later to say, look,
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  Speaker 10: we just need to came the farm. We've got to
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  Speaker 10: work away through this. But I'm confused. Barnaby Joyce was
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  Speaker 10: the deputy Prime Minister who signed up with Malcolm Turnboy.
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  Speaker 10: It wasn't Scott Morrison. It was Malcolm Turnbull when Barnaby
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  Speaker 10: was his deputy PM that did the deal to support zero.
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  Speaker 10: So I'm completely confused by Barnaby's position today. And again
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  Speaker 10: there were nine years of conservative Liberal government in this
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  Speaker 10: country and I would have thought in all that time
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  Speaker 10: that sort of modeling and all of that information you've
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  Speaker 10: been demanding a bit like a bit like Trump and
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  Speaker 10: you know the Epstein files. Yeah, and look, we're going
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  Speaker 10: to tell you all the truth about this afterwards. And
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  Speaker 10: then no details ever released. Well, the Liberal Party were
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  Speaker 10: in government for nine years. All of this could have
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  Speaker 10: been put out there, all of the information you are
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  Speaker 10: for today. Well, what happened for those nine years? Nothing?
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  Speaker 10: So Liberal Party signed up to it. John Howard signed
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  Speaker 10: up to a climate policy in two thousand and six seven.
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  Speaker 10: He took a climate policy to the two thousand and
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  Speaker 10: seven election. So the Liberal Party have been all over
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  Speaker 10: the place like a dog's breakfast on this issue. And
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  Speaker 10: it's just you know, the cold dead hands coming out
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  Speaker 10: of the grave of Barnaby Joyce to try and drag
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  Speaker 10: them back into the nineteen you know, eighties or nineties
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  Speaker 10: or whatever. And it's time Barnaby moved on, and it's
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  Speaker 10: time this debate moved on.
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  Speaker 2: A speaker of the nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties or whatever.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: I'd killed to have an electricity bill from back then. Today,
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I want to ask you about our nation's youngest.
• 18:48
  Speaker 10: Housing I killed to have a house price from back
• 18:50
  Speaker 10: then too.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Hey, they were good days.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: Let me get onto the Senate's youngest member Charlotte Walker.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: She's twenty one years old, so I don't want to
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: be too critical of her. Then again, the fact I'm
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: saying that is maybe evidence twenty one is too young
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: to be a federal senator. Let me show you her
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: latest TikTok video extolling the virtues of medicare.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: Have a look now, putting aside the.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: Fact that no matter how many times the South Australian
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: senator spins around, I still can't find the doctor anywhere
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: near me.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: Wh'll bolp Bill?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: But is this reaching a new generation of voters or
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: is it trivial her eyes, trivializing her position? And before
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: you answer that, Senator Walker must have been exhausted from
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: all that spinning around, because here's another video she posted,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: this time of herself arriving in Canberra for the upcoming
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: sitting week. Michael Kroger, Am I right to be critical?
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Or am I just getting old and grumpy?
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: Well we're all getting old and grumpy, James. But look,
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: the sad truth is you're apart from apart from Senator Conroy. Look,
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: no offense to the young senator, but of course twenty
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: one is far too young to go into the Senate.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, what life's experiences have you got?
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: Cheap?
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: You work for a labor member of parliament, a trade union,
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: Well that's not that's not, you know, proper experience to
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: go into parliament advocating for the abolition of the hextats
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: et cetera, them and there's easy things to argue for.
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: You need life's experiences and I'm sorry, twenty one you
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: don't have. Whether it's her or We've had a couple
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: of people that age and it's it's just far too young.
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, you don't know anything about the economy, business,
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: foreign policy, how much you travel, I've you in directed,
• 21:00
  Speaker 9: whether the country is, et cetera, et cetera.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just quickly, Stephen Conroy, if you were still a
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: labor tragically watching those videos, would you be encouraging Senator
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: Walker or would you be having a quiet word to her?
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  Speaker 10: Look, tragically, we are the dinosaurs here. My daughter Adaen,
• 21:19
  Speaker 10: she loves that stuff. TikTok and I don't want to
• 21:22
  Speaker 10: be unkind to the three of us tonight, but more
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: people will have watched that video than I'm watching us tonight.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: So in terms of reaching out to that younger audience,
• 21:31
  Speaker 10: this last election proved that the influencer movement had more
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: power and influence than SKY. I tragically say that and
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: use corpse You know tabloids that the TikTok community, which
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: we are absolutely not connected to, has far greater reach
• 21:47
  Speaker 10: than the three of us together.
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: Oh that's a depressing note.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: To finish the interview on Michael Craigus Stephen Conroy, thanks
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: so much for joining me.
• 21:57
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Taiwan issues a warning to
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Australia about China's potential World War II tactics. Greg Sheridan
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: joins me to discuss that and much more in just
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: a moment. Taiwan's deputy Foreign Minister has warned that a
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Chinese invasion would allow Jijingping to use the territory's computer
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: chip industry too. And I'm quoting Rule the World. It's
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: an extraordinary claim, but is it accurate? Joining me now
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: as foreign editor at The Australian, Greg Sheridan, Greg, the
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Deputy Foreign Minister, compared a Chinese takeover of Taiwan to
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: Hitler's conquest of Czechoslovakia that gave the Nazis the weapons
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: manufacturing capability to dominate battlefields in Europe.
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  Speaker 7: Is it a fair comparison, well, James, great to be
• 22:44
  Speaker 7: with you.
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  Speaker 3: Look.
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  Speaker 7: In one way it is. In one way it isn't.
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  Speaker 7: Nobody could be more reasonably critical of the People's Republic
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: of China than I am. But they are not at
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: this stage Nazi Germany. They are very, very nasty, tough, autocratic,
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: horrible dictatorship domestically, and they are pretty aggressive internationally, but
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: they don't have a history of invading foreign nations in
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: the way that Nazi Germany did. However, the second half
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: of the comparison is valid. The strategic result of Beijing
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: taking control of Taiwan would be enormous. The chip industry
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: is one part of it, but the other part of
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: it is just the sheer physical location of Taiwan. This
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: would chase the Americans back out of our part of
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: the Pacific. It would threaten Japan. It would allow Beijing
• 23:32
  Speaker 7: to project military power across the Pacific. It would terrify
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: Southeast Asia. It would probably lead to Beijing getting military
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: based in the South Pacific. It would be absolutely diabolical
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: for us. You know, so they sort of smart, like
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: any Americans around the place, who say it's nothing to
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: do with US. Well, you know that's just crazy. I mean,
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: the first day of any conflict between China and the US,
• 23:55
  Speaker 7: outrade with China stops anyway, So that's it, and then
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: the strategic consequences for US would be terrible and for
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: the whole world.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Well, meanwhile, Taiwan's deputy trade negotiator has said the island
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: holds no hope of being admitted to the twelve nation
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: trans Specific Trade Agreement while Australia is chairing the group.
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: He said Taiwan had received silence from Australia on their
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: bid to join, and that was because the Australian government
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: had well and truly shown its intention not to do
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: anything to upset Beijing.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: What do you make of those claims?
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: And if they're true, is the Albanesi government right to
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: play koi on Taiwan?
• 24:35
  Speaker 7: I think those claims broadly are true. The Albanesi government
• 24:40
  Speaker 7: now never says Buddha a goose about China. So the
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: PRC people were lecturing us for having the effrontery to
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: grant political asylum to a Hong Kong democratic politician who
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: would have been jailed at best had we allowed him
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: to be forcibly returned to the PRC. But Alberzi wasn't
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: out there like he is. You know anything the Americans says,
• 25:02
  Speaker 7: say he jumps up saying, hey, we're a sovereign nation.
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: We'll make our own decisions. Nothing like that when China
• 25:08
  Speaker 7: bosses us around. An earlier Australian government did midwife the
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: entry of the People's Republic of China and Taiwan and
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: Hong Kong simultaneously into APEK. Now, it would probably be
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: a bit hard to put Taiwan into the TPP and
• 25:26
  Speaker 7: keep the PRC out of it, but certainly you know
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: China wants to join as well. You should never countenance
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: China joining that group, probably under any circumstances, but certainly
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: never while you keep Taiwan out in Australia like other nations,
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: should do its own free trade agreement with Taiwan anyway.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is a government of utter poltroons and
• 25:48
  Speaker 7: amateurs in foreign policy. You know, they strutton and declare
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: and pre and and so on about the Middle East
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: because they have absolutely no power there, so it doesn't
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: matter what they say. But on in areas where it
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: really counts, they are smaller than the smallest mouse.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: Well, speaking of their policy on the Middle East. The
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Israeli MP blocked from traveling to Australia has spoken out
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: on his visa cancelation. The government said they blocked Rothman's
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: visa because his calls for Hamas to be destroyed and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: for the rejection of a two state solution would a
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: visive and would stir up hate in this country.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: But speaking at.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: An online event organized by the Australian Jewish Association on Sunday,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Rothman said that I'm quoting. They're outlawing basically the views
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: of the State of Israel and of most of the
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Jewish people.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Do you agree with that critique?
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And I should add that the Albanezi government also said
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: they denied Rothman a visa because he called Gars and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: children the enemy, although he says he was misquoted on that.
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  Speaker 7: Yes, now I don't agree with Rothman. I think denying
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: him of visa was excessive and is a matter of
• 26:56
  Speaker 7: double standards. But he does not represent the views of
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: the majority of Israelis. He is in a political party
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: which gets quite a small percentage of Israeli votes, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 7: he and his party have express views which the majority
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: of Israelis disagree with, and the majority of Australians, if
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: they ever think of the matter, would surely disagree with
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: I think the government made a mistake in denying his visa.
• 27:24
  Speaker 7: I think they're very again they're happy to beat up
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: on ISRAELI never say bud to Beijing and Israeli is
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: our traditional ally. But I think it's quite wrong for
• 27:35
  Speaker 7: this fellow to claim that he represents the majority view
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: of the Israelis. He certainly doesn't.
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: Greg.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: Just before I let you go, I want to ask
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: you a question, not about international affairs, which we normally
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: talk to you about, but I want to ask you
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: about the next TV show I should binge watch. I'm
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: terrible at picking TV programs, but you might be able
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: to help me out here, because you wrote a column
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in The Australian at the weekend on the Chosen, a
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: TV series about Jesus that's become a global sensation.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: He's a short clip.
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: I'm not asking you about who's helping you, who's not helping,
• 28:12
  Speaker 5: or who's getting in your way.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: I'm asking about you. I've tried for a long time,
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I know, and I don't want false hop again.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: I understand, Greg, Is this the next TV show I
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: should Binge watch and why.
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: Well, it's very kind of you to mention that there
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: was a color magazine extract in the weekend Australian of
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: a book that I have, which is being published next week.
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: I suppose I shouldn't talk about it yet. On TV
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: it's called How Christians Can Succeed Today. But this is
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: an extraordinary thing phenomenon The Chosen. It's a brilliant series.
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: It's based on the life of Jesus. I interviewed its
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: producer and created, Dallas Jenkins, and he had had a
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: failure in his career and nobody wanted to commission him
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: to produce anything, and certainly nobody in Hollywood wanted to
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: fund a TV series about the life of Jesus. So
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: he crowdfunded it, and to his own amazement, he got
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: eleven million dollars from crowdfunding. He produced one series. It
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: was a bit of a slow burn, although I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: the first episode where Jesus expels the demons from Mary Magdalene,
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: is magnificent TV. It's a combination of the sort of
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: normal day to day life of people then and then
• 29:41
  Speaker 7: suddenly this explosion of Jesus end of the scene. I
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: think it's brilliantly judged, and now it's in its fourth
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: or fifth series. I think the last series is called
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: The Last Supper leading to the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Jesus,
• 29:55
  Speaker 7: and it's a worldwide super phenomenon. You know, more than
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: five hundred million people have watched at least one episode
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: of it, and it's a wonderful example of you know,
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: Christians going around the cultural gatekeepers. Hollywood wouldn't fund it,
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: and certainly no government's going to give it a grant,
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: you know, but you know, sympathetic Christian folks just put
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: their own hands in their pocket and now we have
• 30:19
  Speaker 7: this worldwide sensation. It's led to a massive increase in
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: the sale of Bibles, It's led to Hollywood taking a
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: different attitude to stories about faith, and I believe it's
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: led to many people coming back to believe.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to put it on my list of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: things to watch. Greg Sheridan, always delightful to speak to you.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me tonight. Well, coming up, shocking scenes
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: emerged from the pro Palestinian protests at the weekend.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: My panel will join me to talk about it next.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Thousands of people marched at the weekend calling for sanctions
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: against Israel. Notably absent from their list of grievances the
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: small matter of Hamas Garza's democratically elected terror regime still
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: holding Jewish hostages six hundred and eighty eight days after
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: October seven. But who's counting, certainly not the protesters joining
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: me now, Author and history lecturers Stephen Shavra and Sky
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: News host freyer Leitch.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Let's start with the nine Networks report, which helpfully informed
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: us the protests were peaceful aside from two men daring
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: to wave brace yourselves Australian flags.
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: It was peaceful apart from one group of men with
• 31:32
  Speaker 8: Australian flags throwing insults at March's police moving in swiftly
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: and arresting a ringleader.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: In Brisbane.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: We had one bloke waving a Hamas flag, which, for
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the uninitiated is the emblem of the group still imprisoning civilians.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: We had this person carrying around a noose calling for
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: the execution of Anthony Albanzi and Penny Wong. Because nothing
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: says peace March quite like public calls for lynching.
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: That's besides all the.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: Chanting of death, death to the IDF, but Freya, it
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: was the Australian flag that drew the ire of police.
• 32:12
  Speaker 11: So let me get this straight.
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: You can fly a Palestinian flag, an Islamic flag, a
• 32:17
  Speaker 8: Hamas flag, carry around in news and call for the
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: deaths of the leaders of our country. Yet it's flying
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: an Australian flag that's going to get you arrested. I mean,
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: it does make you wonder who's really in control of
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: our streets when it's flying an Australian flag on Australian
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: soil that will get you arrested.
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: We live in such an upside down world.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: We certainly do.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: And Steve and I saw footage of that incident from
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: another angle and the protesters actually roared with delight when
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: they saw the Australian flags being removed.
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: What does that tell you?
• 32:50
  Speaker 12: It tells me that we have a sub community in
• 32:54
  Speaker 12: Australia who hates Australia.
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: We've got to be very clear about this.
• 32:57
  Speaker 12: There are thousands upon thousands of people in Australia who
• 33:01
  Speaker 12: hate this country. Some of them have come from overseas.
• 33:04
  Speaker 12: I think a lot of them have come from overseas,
• 33:06
  Speaker 12: but a lot of them are also produced in our
• 33:08
  Speaker 12: universities which teach Australians set the colonialism, the ideology which
• 33:13
  Speaker 12: says Australia is an illegitimate state which is intrinsically racist,
• 33:18
  Speaker 12: genocidal and really has no right to exist. And we
• 33:21
  Speaker 12: are seeing the fruits of that with people cheering people
• 33:25
  Speaker 12: with Australian flags being taken away, cheering Australian flags being burned.
• 33:29
  Speaker 12: We need a counter new nationalism. Australians often bragged in
• 33:33
  Speaker 12: the past about how we're not that nationalistic. That was
• 33:36
  Speaker 12: nothing to brag about, and we're discovering in actual fact
• 33:39
  Speaker 12: that there's a powerful anti Australian force that has emerged
• 33:42
  Speaker 12: and it needs to be countered by a genuine love
• 33:46
  Speaker 12: for this country and its Anglo Celtic European heritage that
• 33:50
  Speaker 12: is for everyone to enjoy.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with you. But here's another thing
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: that amused me from the weekend. Right, so many people
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: post on social media about how wonderful the pro Palestinian
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: protests were in arm which is the Indigenous name for Melbourne.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Here's just a few. One person wrote, absolutely massive crowd
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: in Nam today from the river to the sea and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: this one perhaps Nam's biggest turnout to date week ninety eight,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: and there was this one massive Free Palestine rally in
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Nam today.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Like you go on and on. That's just a few examples. Freyer.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Here's what's interesting.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: The reference to NAM is kind of ironic when you
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: remember it's the Jews who are the indigenous population in Israel,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: not the Palestinians exactly.
• 34:39
  Speaker 8: It was the Jews that were exiled from their indigenous
• 34:42
  Speaker 8: homeland for two thousand years, miraculously survived, Pogram after Pogram
• 34:47
  Speaker 8: survived the Holocaust, went back to their homeland and managed
• 34:51
  Speaker 8: to establish their own state in their ancestral homeland.
• 34:55
  Speaker 11: By any means, this is probably.
• 34:56
  Speaker 8: The most successful indigenous liberation movement ever. So if you
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: were actually a logical lefty, you should be supporting Israel,
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: especially because it was founded on a lot of socialist.
• 35:08
  Speaker 11: Values and ideals.
• 35:09
  Speaker 8: It didn't have a right wing government until the late
• 35:13
  Speaker 8: nineteen seventies. It was basically a socialist, left wing indigenous country.
• 35:19
  Speaker 8: Leftists should love it. But this is the thing, it's
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: not about logic. It's about hating Israel, hating Jews, and
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: as Steve said, delegitimizing Australia as well. So using NAM
• 35:33
  Speaker 8: is not They're not trying to say they love indigenous
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: people or they love indigenous liberation.
• 35:38
  Speaker 11: They're saying they hate Australia.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: What's funny you talk about it not being logical, because
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it's almost like cognitive dissonance is a prerequisite for taking
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: part in these marches. Have a look at this sign
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: from one of the marches. It's Dykes and Allies against
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: fascism and transphobia. Stephen, if you're wanting support for the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: LGBTQ community, you'd be marching for Israel, not against it.
• 36:06
  Speaker 12: Well, you know if you I mean, there's this whole
• 36:09
  Speaker 12: there's this whole phenomenon of gay tourism where people where
• 36:12
  Speaker 12: homosexual groups go around the world and go to parties
• 36:16
  Speaker 12: and things. You know what gay tourism in Gaza looks like.
• 36:20
  Speaker 12: It's a tour of the Central Gazan prison and the
• 36:23
  Speaker 12: tour is all expenses paid and it lasts for ten years.
• 36:26
  Speaker 12: That's what you get for being a homosexual in Gaza.
• 36:30
  Speaker 12: Do you know where gay people in Palestine and the
• 36:33
  Speaker 12: West Bank flee to.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: They flee to Israel.
• 36:36
  Speaker 12: Israel literally takes in dozens of gay asylum seekers from
• 36:40
  Speaker 12: Palestine whose lives are endangered over there. So the whole
• 36:44
  Speaker 12: sort of dikes for Palestine thing, why don't they just
• 36:47
  Speaker 12: go the whole way and make it lgbtq H for
• 36:50
  Speaker 12: Hamas And I think then they can be nice and
• 36:53
  Speaker 12: logical about the whole thing.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: Honestly, we could spend all evening pointing out crazy signs
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: from the weekend. Here's the more pressing concern. These protests
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: have now cost taxpayers. This is just in New South
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Wales alone, eleven point three million dollars prayer, isn't it
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: time authority said no more marches that we believe in protests,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: But you can have a static protest if that's what
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: you want to do. But we're done with you closing
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: down cities.
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, we're done with them closing down cities, and we're
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: done as taxpayers picking up the tab for their hate
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: to take over our cities.
• 37:27
  Speaker 11: But this is the thing.
• 37:28
  Speaker 8: The government could totally put a cap on protesters. In fact,
• 37:31
  Speaker 8: the New South Wales liberals have twice put forward bills
• 37:34
  Speaker 8: to cap protests at three per year and beyond that
• 37:38
  Speaker 8: the user would pay for taxpayer funded crowd control like
• 37:41
  Speaker 8: police presence, etc. But Chris Mins's labor government has repeatedly
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: stopped any debate on that bill so they could do something.
• 37:51
  Speaker 8: They could put a cap on protesters, but Labor is
• 37:54
  Speaker 8: choosing not to, and I suspect it's because Chris Mins
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: doesn't want you to have to confront there. He left
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: his in his party room. He's quite sensible, but the
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: rest of the Labor Party aren't, so he's trying to
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: avoid the issue altogether. And ultimately that means we as
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: taxpayers are the ones that have to pay one more.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Thing before we go home.
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  Speaker 2: Affairs Minister Tony Burke has slammed the proposed anti immigration
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: marches that are planned for this weekend. He told the
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Daily Mail, and I'm quoting, there's no place in our
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: country for people who seek to divide and undermine our
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: social cohesion. We stand with modern Australia against these rallies.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Nothing could be less Australian. So Tony Burke is quite
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: happy for weekly marchers through our capital cities in support
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: of Hamas ruled Palestine, but a one off march for
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: Australia is un Australian.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: And a danger to social cohesion.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: Steven, in the famous words of Pauline Hansen, please explain.
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  Speaker 12: Well This is a result of our infinity immigration system.
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: Around about thirty percent of Australians now we're born overseas.
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: Around about fifty percent of Australians have at least one
• 39:01
  Speaker 12: parent born overseas. When you have that kind of demographic
• 39:04
  Speaker 12: with an intrinsic interest in immigration in terms of things
• 39:08
  Speaker 12: like family reunion schemes, it becomes almost impossible for politicians
• 39:13
  Speaker 12: to be able to stop immigration because it becomes a
• 39:16
  Speaker 12: serious issue every time an election coumptyround. Tony Burke's electorate,
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: fifty five percent of people in his Electric were born overseas.
• 39:25
  Speaker 12: About twenty five percent of people in Tony Burk's Electric
• 39:28
  Speaker 12: Electric Watson Muslims.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: It's getting to.
• 39:31
  Speaker 12: The point in Australia where the immigration tap cannot be
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: turned off. Politicians are hooked on a drug. That drug
• 39:37
  Speaker 12: is immigration, and I encourage people to go to this
• 39:40
  Speaker 12: rally on the thirty first to tell the politicians that
• 39:43
  Speaker 12: Australians have had enough of this and we are not
• 39:46
  Speaker 12: going to see the population be replaced because politicians can't
• 39:50
  Speaker 12: be bothered fixing helping us with fertility rates and training
• 39:56
  Speaker 12: for skill shortages when they'd rather just do the easy
• 39:58
  Speaker 12: thing and just bring over a million people like Labor
• 40:02
  Speaker 12: has done under its tenure with Albinisi.
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: I honestly don't know enough about the march this weekend
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to promote it or not promote it. All I know
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: is it's fascinating that Tony Burke is denouncing as an
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Australian a rally that hasn't happened yet. And we've had
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: countless examples of these pro Palestinian rallies with terraced flags
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: and whatnot, and he's said barely a word about those things.
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Steven Shaverra freyer Leitch, thanks for your time and Frey
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: will see you on the Late Debate at ten o'clock
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: this evening.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Well stick around because.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Coming up across to the UK where hotel operators are
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: being told they need to house migrant criminals, Tom Slater
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: joins me next. Well, most viewers would be aware the
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: UK government has for some time now been paying hotels
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: to how's illegal migrants. Well, now it's been revealed those
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: hotel operators had to agree and acknowledge a lovely euphorism
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: for Grin and Barrett that their taxpayer funded guests would
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: include foreign criminals, including arsonists released on bail. Nothing says
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: safe and inclusive quite like handing the room key to
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: someone who once tried to.
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: Burn down a building.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: The government charmingly titled the Statement of Requirements doesn't stop there.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: It also gently warns accommodation providers that housing individuals convicted
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: of setting fire to things may have a tinsy effect
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: on their insurance premiums. Who would have seen that coming. And,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: in a final flourish of British bureaucratic optimism, the Home
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Office helpfully notes that providers might want to invest in
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: and I'm quoting more robust furniture a polite way of
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: saying by chairs that won't shatter when hurled across the room.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Joining me now as editor for Spiked Online, Tom Slater, Tom,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: here's the amazing thing. The government have been demonizing citizens
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: who protested that it was dangerous to have illegals housed
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: in hotels, all the while they were warning hotels about
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: the unsavory characters they'd be.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: No.
• 42:02
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, it's a complete vindication of the protests of members
• 42:05
  Speaker 13: of the public who've been pointing out just how dangerous
• 42:08
  Speaker 13: having these hotels in the middle of communities are. The
• 42:10
  Speaker 13: one that just got shut down in Epping in Essex
• 42:12
  Speaker 13: has five schools in its local area, and yet there
• 42:16
  Speaker 13: were people, excuse me, who are housing that hotel, who
• 42:19
  Speaker 13: over the course of just the past few weeks we've
• 42:21
  Speaker 13: had a charge of sexual offenses, we've another charge of
• 42:25
  Speaker 13: sexual offenses, and a few months back, warming to the
• 42:28
  Speaker 13: theme of this particular news story, there was a gentleman
• 42:30
  Speaker 13: who was a resident at that hotel who was arrested
• 42:33
  Speaker 13: on suspicion of arson. So these are people who have
• 42:36
  Speaker 13: been housing these communities, who are put up in these hotels,
• 42:39
  Speaker 13: despite the fact that the state knows that a non
• 42:42
  Speaker 13: negible proportion of them, shall we say, will have convictions
• 42:45
  Speaker 13: in this country or elsewhere, and the public were just
• 42:47
  Speaker 13: supposed to put up with it. I think we're really
• 42:49
  Speaker 13: seeing the whole narrative shatter that whilst there will be
• 42:52
  Speaker 13: some people in those hotels who are just looking for
• 42:54
  Speaker 13: a better life, are just trying to claim asylum, there's
• 42:57
  Speaker 13: a non insignificant portion of them who are fleeing charges
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: in other countries. And this isn't so much give me
• 43:03
  Speaker 13: your tired, your poor, your huddled masses, as give me
• 43:05
  Speaker 13: your killers, your sex offenders.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: In your arsonist.
• 43:07
  Speaker 13: The public have noted that now and they're not letting
• 43:10
  Speaker 13: the government get away with it as they did before.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Well, there's certainly not, because a new poll has found
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: seventy one percent of BRIT's believe Keir Starmer's handling migration badly.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: I should point out that includes fifty six percent of
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: his own labor voters.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: Now, if the recent court decision.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: In Epping you just referred to it, that decision was
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: that asylum seekers could not be housed in a hotel
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: because it breached planning regulations. If that's repeated around the country,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: things are going to go from bed to dire for
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: the government.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Oh no, absolutely, I mean it's already pretty bad.
• 43:43
  Speaker 13: If you look at that pole, seven out of ten
• 43:45
  Speaker 13: folks saying that the government's handling immigration badly.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: To be honest, some surprise, it's that low.
• 43:49
  Speaker 13: I mean, you struggle to find anyone who thinks that
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: this government is making a good fist of anything, but
• 43:54
  Speaker 13: not least the immigration issue, which is now the number
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: one issue of concern in this country. The economy, the
• 44:00
  Speaker 13: fact that it's doing pretty poor shape is now a
• 44:02
  Speaker 13: distant second. And yet we've got a government which is
• 44:05
  Speaker 13: not just kind of flat footed on this issue. It's
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: it's kind of a prisoner of its own ideology. It's
• 44:09
  Speaker 13: run by Keir Starmer, a human rights barrister, the Attorney General,
• 44:12
  Speaker 13: Lord Hermer, a human rights barrister, people who are kind
• 44:15
  Speaker 13: of constitutionally incapable of doing what it's probably necessary to
• 44:18
  Speaker 13: do about the European Court of Human Rights or the.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: UN Refugee Convention, looking afresh at our.
• 44:23
  Speaker 13: International commitments to see if we can get a grip
• 44:25
  Speaker 13: on the illegal migration issue. They're never going to go
• 44:27
  Speaker 13: anywhere near that. So what with these rule, this ruling
• 44:30
  Speaker 13: that we've seen in Epping likely to be repeated across
• 44:32
  Speaker 13: the country. You've even got labor col councils in places
• 44:35
  Speaker 13: like Tamworth saying that they're going to look for their
• 44:37
  Speaker 13: own injunctions to close their own migrant hotels. And you've
• 44:40
  Speaker 13: got a government which is just frozen in the middle,
• 44:42
  Speaker 13: terrified to act. So that's going to have to come
• 44:45
  Speaker 13: back to bite them sooner rather than later.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: I would say.
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: Part of the protest against the illegal migration is what's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: come to be known as flagging that British citizens are
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: acting union jacks all around their towns and cities to
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: ask you about an incident in the town of Stevenage
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: where men putting up British flags were apparently attacked with
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: a petrol bomb.
• 45:06
  Speaker 14: Take a look, petrol bomb, Move the car, brom put
• 45:13
  Speaker 14: your flags up, got petrol bomb, just finish the night.
• 45:17
  Speaker 14: Three hours of flaging and our boy there's just been
• 45:21
  Speaker 14: petrol bond, petrol bomb thrown at the car, smashed straight
• 45:23
  Speaker 14: onto his head.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I have to ask Tom, we had a point in
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Britain where it's dangerous to hoist a British flag?
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: Well, hopefully not. I mean hopefully this is an isolated incident.
• 45:35
  Speaker 13: We've seen some kind of clashes between people who are
• 45:38
  Speaker 13: taking it upon themselves to hoist up the Union flag
• 45:41
  Speaker 13: or the cross the Saint George, but nothing as violent
• 45:43
  Speaker 13: as this.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: It was just after midnight.
• 45:45
  Speaker 13: These gentlemen, part of this kind of campaign which is
• 45:47
  Speaker 13: cropped up across the country, were hoisting up flags on
• 45:50
  Speaker 13: lampposts and from it it seems like from a neighboring
• 45:53
  Speaker 13: garden someone threw a petrol bomb at them. So really
• 45:55
  Speaker 13: really concerning, and also because of the fact that this
• 45:57
  Speaker 13: is in response to a campaign which yes is about
• 46:00
  Speaker 13: putting things up on public property and there's a few
• 46:02
  Speaker 13: local counselors wh aren't very happy about it. But to
• 46:05
  Speaker 13: respond in this kind of way just speaks to how
• 46:08
  Speaker 13: intense the kind of hatred is for the national flag
• 46:10
  Speaker 13: and the national symbols it is amongst some people.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite shocking. Speaking of shopping. Shopping, well that
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: too shocking and shopping. The number of shoplifting cases eight
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: hundred a day in the UK. That's so many cases
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: are going unsolved. And here's the bit that interests me.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: The police are being accused of passing the buck for
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: solving these cases onto the public. Matthew Barber, he's the
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: Police and Crime Commissioner for the Thames Valley, suggested on
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: BBC Radio that shoppers should shout at thieves.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: That's the plan.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It's absolutely incredible.
• 46:47
  Speaker 13: I mean it seems like when all else fails, you
• 46:48
  Speaker 13: pass the buck to the public. I mean the scale
• 46:52
  Speaker 13: of this not only is the number of shoplifting reports
• 46:56
  Speaker 13: going through the roof, it's also a number of them
• 46:58
  Speaker 13: that are resulting in a charge, something like sixteen percent
• 47:01
  Speaker 13: nationally and as low as six percent in London, which
• 47:04
  Speaker 13: certainly scans with any London as experience at this point.
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: So to turn around up in this abject failure basically
• 47:09
  Speaker 13: presiding over the decriminalization of shoplifting is what it feels
• 47:12
  Speaker 13: like at this point, and then saying well, maybe it's
• 47:15
  Speaker 13: about time the public bucked up their ideas and stepped
• 47:17
  Speaker 13: up to help with this. I mean, it's a complete insult,
• 47:19
  Speaker 13: but it's what a lot of people have come to
• 47:21
  Speaker 13: expect from the police, who, almost more so than many
• 47:24
  Speaker 13: other institutions in our country, have lost the respect to
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: the British people in an incredibly short space of time,
• 47:29
  Speaker 13: which I think is something they've really got to take seriously.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe the police don't want to catch thieves because well
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: there's nowhere to put them. The number of spare spaces
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: in men's jails across the UK fell below a thousand
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: this month, and the government's own Ministry of Justices forecasting
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: the inmates on short sentences might need to be set free.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: We've got about forty seconds left, tom Just what are
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: they going to do when they've got no more jail
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: space and yet so much crime.
• 48:00
  Speaker 13: Absolutely, I mean they're talking about all these measures essentially
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: getting rid of sentences under a year unless it's in
• 48:05
  Speaker 13: extreme circumstances, the sort offenses that they'll probably go lighter
• 48:08
  Speaker 13: on things exactly like shoplifting, which is only going to
• 48:10
  Speaker 13: make some of the problems worse. But again this is
• 48:12
  Speaker 13: failure of successive government, but again lumbered with a labor
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: government that can only really tinker.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: It can't take these issues seriously.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: It's an absolute mess, and like you said, I don't
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: think many people have got confidence in Kirstarma that he
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: can solve much of this. Tom Sayer, thanks for joining
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: me tonight, and thanks to all of you at home
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: for joining me. Andrew Bot We'll be back tomorrow night.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: That's it from me, but stick around. Coming up in
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: just a moment is Sherry Markson.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Good Night,